I've noticed several other HL fan forum's discussing their schedule for next year. It seems like they have a pretty good idea about OCC and tournaments.
What return games do we have next year? Will we be playing Belmont next year? Butler???? (Now would be the time) Can we try and peice together our OOC and tournament schedule?
I like how you started this thread last year too, but at least you waited until May 10 :)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1452.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1452.0)
As usual all we'll know is what we can crib from other sites until we release ours.
As Kyle said last September (!)
Quote from: Kyle321n on September 06, 2013, 10:40:28 AMIt's starting to get embarrassing that we've been able to put together at least 30 games for Valpo, there's a listing of what games will be on TV, and they haven't officially announced their schedule...
Official schedule was released Sept 10. soooo...we have about 20 weeks to glean little chunks from around the Intertubes to put it together. Last year we were pretty close--I would say over 90% of the way--by the time the thing was finally done.
Well, in a lot of ways I'm still a new kid around this block, but something about what I just wrote sparked a memory:
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on August 18, 2012, 09:25:53 AMMeanwhile we're cobbling together bits and scraps from all corners of the Intertubes...sigh.
So, the more things change...
Although, note our restraint--we didn't start the 2012-13 thread until August 17.
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=924.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=924.0)
Also in that thread:
Quote from: vusupporter on August 18, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
The last four years, the earliest the schedule has been released is August 18 - just saying...
I know we have awhile before Valpo releases the official schedule. I always try and catch a out of towner. I attended the St. Louis game in 12-13 season and attended the Central Florida game 13-14 year.
Quote from: oklahomamick on April 29, 2014, 10:25:22 AM
I've noticed several other HL fan forum's discussing their schedule for next year. It seems like they have a pretty good idea about OCC and tournaments.
What return games do we have next year? Will we be playing Belmont next year? Butler???? (Now would be the time) Can we try and peice together our OOC and tournament schedule?
Butler finished 9th or 10th (too lazy to look it up) in their first season in the Big East. They will probably be picked 9th or 10th next year. The last thing they need while trying to earn a minimum level of respect in their new league is suffer a loss to a former sister program from the Horizon League. I don't think they'll be scheduling any of us any time soon.
I read that 6 HL teams with get a Home/Home with Belmont (to my knowledge, they didn't say which 6 schools)... and Eastern Kentucky in the final return trip from the Bracketbuster a year ago.... and we can keep our fingers crossed about New Mexico coming in... but that may be just an old memory...
Quote from: talksalot on April 29, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
I read that 6 HL teams with get a Home/Home with Belmont (to my knowledge, they didn't say which 6 schools)... and Eastern Kentucky in the final return trip from the Bracketbuster a year ago.... and we can keep our fingers crossed about New Mexico coming in... but that may be just an old memory...
Correct on New Mexico...they postponed the return game until this season. Assume that ETSU will return last year's game. I'm not sure where the Ball State series stands, but if it's continuing, they would be at the ARC this year.
All the other games were either part of tournaments or games vs. non-DI schools, so there aren't any other obvious matchups that I see.
Quote from: wh on April 29, 2014, 07:42:40 PMButler finished 9th or 10th (too lazy to look it up) in their first season in the Big East. They will probably be picked 9th or 10th next year. The last thing they need while trying to earn a minimum level of respect in their new league is suffer a loss to a former sister program from the Horizon League. I don't think they'll be scheduling any of us any time soon.
I said 2 years ago that eventually Brad Stevens would find his way back to the ARC to wash away the bad taste of the 4 game Butler losing streak. With his departure to the pro ranks there is now just as good a chance of the Celtics coming to town as there is of the Bulldogs. Sadly I have concluded that I may have witnessed my last VU-Butler mens basketball game.
Hey, is it too early for me to start my annual drumbeat for a little VU-Baylor action? How about a steel cage matchup featuring Bryce and Scott. For them I would settle for a 2 for 1. Maybe I should take out a few ads in the Waco press claiming that Scott just doesn't have a hair (somewhere) if he isn't up to the challenge. Thoughts?
Maybe we could get DePaul to pick up the slack... They refused to play in the ARC a long time before But*** did...
anyway... speaking of getting schedules out... I see the B1G and the ACC have announced their match-ups... Duke/Wisc OhioSt/Lville Virginia/Maryland
Mon, Dec 1
Nebraska at Florida State
Rutgers at Clemson
Tue, Dec 2
Syracuse at Michigan
Ohio State at Louisville
Pittsburgh at Indiana
NC State at Purdue
Illinois at Miami (Fla.)
Minnesota at Wake Forest
Wed, Dec 3
Duke at Wisconsin
Michigan State at Notre Dame
Iowa at North Carolina
Virginia at Maryland
Georgia Tech at Northwestern
Virginia Tech at Penn State
I'd like to see the HL have a "throw-down" with the MAC (I doubt MVC would do it)
Quote from: talksalot on May 01, 2014, 04:16:00 PMVirginia at Maryland
Now there's a game I'm sure the Terrapins are excited to play.
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http://www.testudotimes.com/2014/2/9/5394546/maryland-virginia-basketball-preview (http://www.testudotimes.com/2014/2/9/5394546/maryland-virginia-basketball-preview)
Maryland will travel down to Charlottesville for the last time as their rivalry with the Cavaliers begins to draw to a closeIf only the writer had known what the commissioners/schedulers had in mind.
http://www.testudotimes.com/2014/3/7/5482252/maryland-basketball-acc-history-virginia (http://www.testudotimes.com/2014/3/7/5482252/maryland-basketball-acc-history-virginia)
This will be the final game Maryland has at home against an ACC opponent, so naturally it had to be Virginia.Oh so wrong!
If that's a test, u do fail!
2015 Maui Invitational- Indiana, Kansas, UNLV, UCLA, St. John's, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Chaminade
2015 Great Alaska Shooutout- Alaska-Anchorage, Colorado St, Mercer, Missouri St, Pacific, Rice, UC Santa Barbara, Washington St
And a good link that has more info than I want to type out...no Valpo though...
http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2013/12/2/5166354/2014-15-college-basketball-early-season-tournaments-events-MTE (http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2013/12/2/5166354/2014-15-college-basketball-early-season-tournaments-events-MTE)
New Mexico message boarders confirm the Lobos are coming to us this year.
hooray!
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I've fought dragons! You think I'm afraid of some wolf?
According to a post on the Drake board, Valpo will be playing in Nashville on Nov. 28th, 29th and 30th. Opponents will be Drake, Murray State and Portland (in some order).
While that is not an awful slate, Murray State had the best RPI of the bunch this year---and that was 111. Portland's 178 and Drake's 164 don't do much for me. I do love Nashville, though.
I think that Nashville group is perfect: Drake, Murray State and the other one.
Mid-range RPI schools are great for non-conference. What do we learn by playing Top 20 stud teams like Duke, Ohio State, Arizona and Michigan State and then mix in doormats like Chicago State, Savannah State and some D3s. That is how we used to roll.
We schedule much smarter now and we cut back the travel costs too. Nashville is a great change of pace and drivable for fans. Smart!!
I'll be there. Gives me an opportunity to see them in person for the 3 games.
Non conference games should be against opponents that your competing with for recuits. There should also be a couple games scheduled that might be played on tv, possible payout, or a big challenge. I remember playing several big 10 teams or top 25 teams in soccer when I was at Valpo. It's a good experience and memory that I have.
Murray State should be a lot better next year - they only lose one starter and their their best player was only a freshman last year. Drake finished around .500 overall, but were 6-12 in conference. It looks like they're losing 3 senior starters next year. Portland might be the best team of the 3... they beat Gonzaga and BYU last year. They're losing 4 seniors, but only 1 seemed to be a decent contributor. Overall, this is a great group to schedule, and they're all teams that are going to be competitive.
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 15, 2014, 08:58:45 AMI'll be there. Gives me an opportunity to see them in person for the 3 games.
I'm definitely planning to be there myself.
Quote from: StlVUFan on May 15, 2014, 09:57:34 AMQuote from: oklahomamick on May 15, 2014, 08:58:45 AMI'll be there. Gives me an opportunity to see them in person for the 3 games.
I'm definitely planning to be there myself.
It would be nice to have an alumni event before one of the games as they did for the UCF game in Orlando.
Quote from: crusadermoe on May 15, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
I think that Nashville group is perfect: Drake, Murray State and the other one.
Mid-range RPI schools are great for non-conference. What do we learn by playing Top 20 stud teams like Duke, Ohio State, Arizona and Michigan State and then mix in doormats like Chicago State, Savannah State and some D3s. That is how we used to roll.
We schedule much smarter now and we cut back the travel costs too. Nashville is a great change of pace and drivable for fans. Smart!!
Or we could shoot for more of the mid-level Big 10/Big 12 type teams...we don't have to play top 10 teams or bottom 10 teams...why not Northwestern, Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas State, etc. New Mexico is exactly the kind of team we need to play.
Granted I understand it takes both schools being interested...but it is not as if the only two choices are powerhouse+doormats vs. meh mid majors.
Absolutely. Give me a mid or lower tier Big 10 or Big 12 school any day we can get them.
But as you say...it takes two to tangle. We've talked for years about why. And for the holiday tourneys, all the bigs want their own easy field or they want to go to glamour sites.
Yeah....my heart isn't keeping up with my head for Drake/Murray St. etc. either. Forgot the third was Portland...yeesh. How many bids won by Portland? Drake went that year when San Diego, Dayton, Drake, Valpo, and Davidson all got NCAA bids (2004?). Pioneer schools all.
Quote from: crusadermoe on May 15, 2014, 06:37:29 PMHow many bids won by Portland?
LMGTFY: two (1959 & 1996).
3 straight CIT bids 2009-2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Pilots_men's_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Pilots_men's_basketball)
Add me to the list of those who should be in attendance in Nashville. Wife's family is in the Music City and this is our year to be down there for Thanksgiving. No doubt the universe is unfolding as it should...
It would be awesome if the tournament was held in Vandy's Memorial Gym. I was just remarking last year that I needed to see that place and the unique baseline team benches one of these days. I assume the tourney will be far too small for the Bridgestone area, which is fine since I've seen that place half a dozen times now for Preds games. Maybe the Municipal Auditorium where the OVC conference tourney was held?
Schedule for 2014 Challenge in Music City:
Friday Nov. 28
5 p.m. – Drake vs Valparaiso
7:30 p.m. – Murray State vs Portland
Saturday Nov. 29
5 p.m. – Portland vs Drake
7:30 p.m. – Murray State vs Valparaiso
Sunday Nov. 30
1 p.m. – Portland vs Valparaiso
3:30 p.m. – Murray State vs Drake
Revised by last year's RPI:
Quote from: valpopal on June 05, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
Schedule for 2014 Challenge in Music City:
Friday Nov. 28
5 p.m. – 174 vs 184
7:30 p.m. – 142 vs 178
Saturday Nov. 29
5 p.m. – 178 vs 174
7:30 p.m. – 142 vs 184
Sunday Nov. 30
1 p.m. – 178 vs 184
3:30 p.m. – 142 vs 174
That's...that's not easy to do.
Either to schedule a tournament that seemingly well-matched OR to run that gauntlet. No Cincinnati Christian to rest the starters here...
We must absolutely love playing Murray State. No complaints here :)
Portland as a third team of the three games in Nashville is pretty darn good competition. They play in a good mid-major conference and beat Gonzaga and BYU last year. That will not be an easy game.
New Mexico on December 6 http://www.koat.com/blob/view/-/27234526/data/2/-/xv64l8/-/unm-men-s-schedule.pdf (http://www.koat.com/blob/view/-/27234526/data/2/-/xv64l8/-/unm-men-s-schedule.pdf)
Quote from: Pathfinder on July 30, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
New Mexico on December 6 http://www.koat.com/blob/view/-/27234526/data/2/-/xv64l8/-/unm-men-s-schedule.pdf (http://www.koat.com/blob/view/-/27234526/data/2/-/xv64l8/-/unm-men-s-schedule.pdf)
Pathfinder - last season I calculated OOC scores for HL teams using the A-10's scoring system. If I recall correctly, I thought I came up with some and you calculated some, as well. Would you be willing to do the calculation and ranking chores this year. If not, it's fine. I'm just super tied up right now and will be for a while. Thanks.
Coming to Valpo as a first year law student. From Tucson, Arizona and have only known PAC12 basketball, University of Arizona. I just hope Valpo can make the ncaa tournament, anything less is a failed season if you ask me.
What is the expectation for this years basketball team?
Can't believe New Mexico is coming to play here. The last two seasons they have gone out in the first round of the NCAA tournament. This game will be a defining moment for Valpo this season. Beat New Mexico and you have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: ValpoRollerHockey on July 31, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Coming to Valpo as a first year law student. From Tucson, Arizona and have only known PAC12 basketball, University of Arizona. I just hope Valpo can make the ncaa tournament, anything less is a failed season if you ask me.
What is the expectation for this years basketball team?
Can't believe New Mexico is coming to play here. The last two seasons they have gone out in the first round of the NCAA tournament. This game will be a defining moment for Valpo this season. Beat New Mexico and you have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.
Welcome to the Midwest! Although I'm currently in the heart of Texas! The team was VERY young last year with three freshman starting. We will rely on those three plus a 6'11" center who has improved each year and now will be a senior. We've added some players with large conference experience but are unknown to us. We have Coach Drew and that is always a plus. I'm looking for a possible NCAA bid but with the youth etc it may be another year before it happens. Still, anytime you can get to the ARC it will be a fun experience. Good luck with your studies!
Quote from: ValpoRollerHockey on July 31, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Coming to Valpo as a first year law student. From Tucson, Arizona and have only known PAC12 basketball, University of Arizona. I just hope Valpo can make the ncaa tournament, anything less is a failed season if you ask me.
What is the expectation for this years basketball team?
Can't believe New Mexico is coming to play here. The last two seasons they have gone out in the first round of the NCAA tournament. This game will be a defining moment for Valpo this season. Beat New Mexico and you have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.
Expecting a berth is pretty lofty. This team is still a year away from breaking into top 100 RPI. If they make the tourney this year, I think the seed would be really low.
The HL looks weak this year with Brown going pro (god he has to be sunburnt) and both Perry and Bader gone. I'm expecting Valpo to finish 3 or 4 games above .500. We're losing our most productive player and the frontcourt looks weak, but the core is definitely there and more experienced (Carter and Peters, and then Lexus and Jubril). I think next year the team should be at the top of the Horizon, but there's definitely going to be some growing pains.
The Horizon League is not the PAC 12. It is not a multiple berth conference. Historically, only the winner of the end-of-the-season tournament earns a berth. That means that a team that dominates the conference in the regular season is always just one loss away from not going to the dance. The good news that a young team that struggles through the season can pull it together for a week, win the tournament, and end up in the NCAA tournament (with a very low seed).
Quote Pathfinder - last season I calculated OOC scores for HL teams using the A-10's scoring system. If I recall correctly, I thought I came up with some and you calculated some, as well. Would you be willing to do the calculation and ranking chores this year. If not, it's fine. I'm just super tied up right now and will be for a while. Thanks.
Question: does the A10 still use this system? Seems pretty old. Can't imagine CUSA still gets an automatic point. And looking at St. Bonaventure and Duquesne schedules announced for this coming season, just eyeballing them they don't seem close to the 1.8
Quote from: Pathfinder on August 01, 2014, 03:17:52 PM
Quote Pathfinder - last season I calculated OOC scores for HL teams using the A-10's scoring system. If I recall correctly, I thought I came up with some and you calculated some, as well. Would you be willing to do the calculation and ranking chores this year. If not, it's fine. I'm just super tied up right now and will be for a while. Thanks.
Question: does the A10 still use this system? Seems pretty old. Can't imagine CUSA still gets an automatic point. And looking at St. Bonaventure and Duquesne schedules announced for this coming season, just eyeballing them they don't seem close to the 1.8
I don't know if the A-10 still uses it, although I don't know why they wouldn't other than tweaking it to reflect the current configuration of higher profile conferences. You're right that scheduling a current CUSA team is no longer worthy of receiving a 1-point minimum. At the same time, logic would seem to say that if CUSA "pre-realignment" was considered worthy of a 1-point minimum, current Big East and AAC teams would be at least as worthy. For our purposes I don't think it matters if we exactly match what the A-10 currently has in place as much as just having a sensible mechanism to show which HL teams are doing a good job scheduling and which aren't.
When will the 2014-15 schedule be published?
Last year's wasn't released until Sept 10. (!)
2012-13 was August 24th.
Before that the earliest the last 4 years was August 18...
Unless I missed it, nobody has mentioned that Valpo will play at Missouri November 16.
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Quote from: valpopal on August 22, 2014, 01:19:03 PMUnless I missed it, nobody has mentioned that Valpo will play at Missouri November 16.
http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/miss-m-baskbl-sched.html (http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/miss-m-baskbl-sched.html)
Looks to be a doable road trip. No set starting time yet but will be most likely in the afternoon.
UMKC--Valpo--ORU all in a row at the Mizzou Arena
If you remember correctly Frank Haith took his trail of Mizz-ery to Tulsa and the new coach is a MO guy and former Central Missouri head coach, Kim Anderson. The Tigers
could be ripe for the taking.
Only two seniors on the Mizzou roster.
We need to play ORU again. I hate them so much, but they were fun games.
Quote from: valpotx on August 23, 2014, 12:39:48 AM
We need to play ORU again. I hate them so much, but they were fun games.
I'm sure they'd love to play us. We are to them as Butler is to us.
As long as we don't play them at the maybee center.
Valpo at IPFW on Saturday, Dec. 20.
Quote from: valpopal on August 25, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Valpo at IPFW on Saturday, Dec. 20.
Hope we don't screw this one up. We have taken Ft Wayne for granted in the past.
A good beginning toward a quality OOC schedule...
18 New Mexico
50 Missouri
101 Murray State
116 IPFW
178 Portland
179 Drake
208 ETSU
120 avg.
1 Top 25 opponent, 2 Top 50 opponents, 3 Top 100 opponents (almost), no opponents >250, and 1 potentially winnable Power-5 opponent (rather than multiple guaranteed losses against top tier Power 5's - aka "the Oakland way")
Quote from: wh on August 25, 2014, 11:45:11 PM
A good beginning toward a quality OOC schedule...
18 New Mexico
50 Missouri
101 Murray State
116 IPFW
178 Portland
179 Drake
208 ETSU
120 avg.
1 Top 25 opponent, 2 Top 50 opponents, 3 Top 100 opponents (almost), no opponents >250, and 1 potentially winnable Power-5 opponent (rather than multiple guaranteed losses against top tier Power 5's - aka "the Oakland way")
I would think another game with an RPI opponent between 50 and 100 home or away would really help this schedule in the sense of giving Valpo the chance to earn an at large tourney bid if they won 2 of 3 of the games with opponents with top 100 rpi's.
Quote from: valpopal on August 25, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Valpo at IPFW on Saturday, Dec. 20.
Dissapointed to see that his game will be at the small on campus Gates Center rather than the Memorial Coliseum. IPFW only has one game listed for the coming year at the coliseum and that is against Jacksonville, I thought this would be the perfect opportunity for them to add another Memorial Coliseum game. It also makes it a little more difficult to have an alumni event before the game because it would probably have to be off campus.
Jon Coffman is the new head coach and IPFW. He is much more vocal and animated than the previous coach Tony Jasick. He also has a pretty good returning base of players from last year's record-breaking team. This includes 2 very large post up type players ranging in weight from about 270 to 300 pounds. I'm getting sick of losing to them here in Fort Wayne so let's pack the Gates Center and give them a real spanking.
We can add a home exhibition game against Grand Valley State on Thursday, Nov. 6.
The new IPFW head coach is beginning to get a lot of press lately. Here are a couple of interesting articles, one throws out a familiar theme from here on the forum and talks about a 6 team in state early-season challenge between Indiana State, Ball State, Evansville, Valparaiso, IPFW and IUPUI. In his words: IPFW hoop coach talks on 'state' tournament (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140826/SPORTS/140829722/1013)
The next article talks about the difficulties of a mid-major, coming off of a good season, putting together a good out of conference schedule. The article includes their schedule for the upcoming season and also predictions for wins and losses. Guess what, they predict a win against Valparaiso at the Gates center on December 20. IPFW coach finds hoop schedule challenging to play and construct (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140826/SPORTS/140829724/1013)
I would like nothing better than to see IPFW win the Summit League this coming year, right after we beat the snot out of them.
Quote from: FWalum on August 28, 2014, 12:31:54 PM
The new IPFW head coach is beginning to get a lot of press lately. Here are a couple of interesting articles, one throws out a familiar theme from here on the forum and talks about a 6 team in state early-season challenge between Indiana State, Ball State, Evansville, Valparaiso, IPFW and IUPUI. In his words: IPFW hoop coach talks on 'state' tournament (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140826/SPORTS/140829722/1013)
This is something I've thought about a few times in the past. It would be pretty cool if the schools could arrange to play 3-4 games in a week(end) either in Indy or rotating between campuses. I know that I would definitely find a way to get there, especially for the inaugural event.
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Good for him for putting an idea like this on the table. I think it would be a great way to start the season.
Quote from: FWalum on August 28, 2014, 12:31:54 PMone throws out a familiar theme from here on the forum and talks about a 6 team in state early-season challenge between Indiana State, Ball State, Evansville, Valparaiso, IPFW and IUPUI. In his words: IPFW hoop coach talks on 'state' tournament
Since neither the Summit or the MVC members would wish to be matched up for a third time, a traditional format might be both unworkable and undesirable. This doesn't mean that the general concept couldn't be implemented in a slightly altered fashion.
My thinking would be to target a prearranged, RPI biased, weekend series with everyone getting 2 games. Perhaps the top RPI ranked team going in gets to pick its 2 opponents and the rest of the games are assigned from a 6 team committee. Thoughts?
IPFW is #116 ?? The freakin' mastadons? Now that's a trap game. We often lost to them when they ranked in the 270s.
Quote from: FWalum on August 28, 2014, 12:31:54 PMThe new IPFW head coach is beginning to get a lot of press lately. Here are a couple of interesting articles, one throws out a familiar theme from here on the forum and talks about a 6 team in state early-season challenge between Indiana State, Ball State, Evansville, Valparaiso, IPFW and IUPUI. In his words: IPFW hoop coach talks on 'state' tournament
While I don't see a tournament happening, I would like to see something with these teams. Since most of these schools have some Alumni in Indy, I'd have doubleheader with four of the teams at some location in Indy. The other two teams would play each other that season. Change the order next year. Every three years (or so), you won't be playing in Indy, but you get a game on the same weekend with the other in-state team. Every six years, you'd host that game. You would need to make sure that ISU/Evansville and IUPUI/IPFW don't play each other, keeping their leagues happy. Showcase the Indiana teams!
@ James Madison, Dec. 29.
http://augustafreepress.com/jmu-releases-2014-2015-mens-basketball-schedule/ (http://augustafreepress.com/jmu-releases-2014-2015-mens-basketball-schedule/)
IU-South Bend on November 19th.
Valpo grad living in Columbia MO here...Mizzou underperformed last year, and with a new coach, you never know about the Crusaders sneaking in a win early in the season. At that point in the season, the crowd is definitely still interested in football in an "SEC" town, so it won't be like playing at ACC or B10 schools the past decade.
The problem with having a D1 Indiana State tournament in Indy is that IUPUI has a big advantage and there are really only 2 places to host it---Bankers Life and the remodeled State Fair Coliseum. The State Fair Coliseum seems almost perfect but it will be IUPUI's home court. Jason Gardener will get that program turned around, if not soon, in a few years. I'm still of the opinion that Bankers Life is too big.
God forbid that BigDWSU find out the lower D1 Indiana schools plan a tournament in a high school gym.
Maybe Butler would rent out Hinkle while they are playing downtown.
Quote from: bbtds on September 01, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
The problem with having a D1 Indiana State tournament in Indy is that IUPUI has a big advantage and there are really only 2 places to host it---Bankers Life and the remodeled State Fair Coliseum. The State Fair Coliseum seems almost perfect but it will be IUPUI's home court. Jason Gardener will get that program turned around, if not soon, in a few years. I'm still of the opinion that Bankers Life is too big.
God forbid that BigDWSU find out the lower D1 Indiana schools plan a tournament in a high school gym.
Maybe Butler would rent out Hinkle while they are playing downtown.
In looking into just how much of a home court advantage IUPUI would have at the coliseum - not much - I discovered something disturbing:
IUPUI total att./avg .att. - 2012 - 18128/1133. 2014 - 9225/615. 615 a game! :rotfl:
VU total att./avg .att. - 2012 - 57508/3383. 2014 - 51002/2833. 550/game less. :'(
While that is a good point, I would think you are just seeing the general downward trend in people attending live sporting events in the big picture (vs. sitting on your comfy couch to watch and not worry about parking or concession prices or bathroom lines), and the effects of the Winter O'2014 in particular.
At least I hope so.
Which is a big reason I would have no issue paying a yearly fee to watch Valpo sports, provided that we make it possible to see baseball as well :)
Quote from: valpospartan on September 01, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: bbtds on September 01, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
The problem with having a D1 Indiana State tournament in Indy is that IUPUI has a big advantage and there are really only 2 places to host it---Bankers Life and the remodeled State Fair Coliseum. The State Fair Coliseum seems almost perfect but it will be IUPUI's home court. Jason Gardener will get that program turned around, if not soon, in a few years. I'm still of the opinion that Bankers Life is too big.
God forbid that BigDWSU find out the lower D1 Indiana schools plan a tournament in a high school gym.
Maybe Butler would rent out Hinkle while they are playing downtown.
In looking into just how much of a home court advantage IUPUI would have at the coliseum - not much:
IUPUI total att./avg .att. - 2012 - 18128/1133. 2014 - 9225/615. 615 a game! :rotfl:
New facility and new coach with a new attitude. I think you're going to see things changing fast for the Jags as far as attendance. If they just eliminate the parking situation that they had on the IUPUI campus that should help.
Quote from: bbtds on September 03, 2014, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: valpospartan on September 01, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: bbtds on September 01, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
The problem with having a D1 Indiana State tournament in Indy is that IUPUI has a big advantage and there are really only 2 places to host it---Bankers Life and the remodeled State Fair Coliseum. The State Fair Coliseum seems almost perfect but it will be IUPUI's home court. Jason Gardener will get that program turned around, if not soon, in a few years. I'm still of the opinion that Bankers Life is too big.
God forbid that BigDWSU find out the lower D1 Indiana schools plan a tournament in a high school gym.
Maybe Butler would rent out Hinkle while they are playing downtown.
In looking into just how much of a home court advantage IUPUI would have at the coliseum - not much:
IUPUI total att./avg .att. - 2012 - 18128/1133. 2014 - 9225/615. 615 a game! :rotfl:
New facility and new coach with a new attitude. I think you're going to see things changing fast for the Jags as far as attendance. If they just eliminate the parking situation that they had on the IUPUI campus that should help.
The Coliseum is nowhere near the IUPUI campus. Butler is closer to the Coliseum than IUPUI is.
From the Detroit board:
Central Michigan put out a non-conference schedule that ought to get their remaining fans to swear off the team:
Home games are Alma, Youngstown State, Grand Canyon, SIU-Edwardsville, Concordia, and Central Pennsylvania, plus a tournament at CMU with Maine, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, and Valparaiso. Road games are Northwestern, McNeese State, and Bradley.
Quote from: wh on September 03, 2014, 10:03:02 PMplus a tournament at CMU with Maine, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, and Valparaiso
This tournament is the CBB equivalent of the Holiday Inn where the Shaq-led Magic were snowed in with Marilyn Manson & band along with the cast of Sesame Street Live: it's
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Us 184
UAPB 264
CMU 294
Maine 330
(last year, RPIForecast)
We should take this tournament; we also win "best non-con home game of CMU's season". True, I would want to win this contest with whomever we play...just...not like this.
The Chippewas return all five starters and 96 percent of their scoring from last season.
Looks like a great opportunity to see us play 3 games over 3 days the weekend before Thanksgiving.
It looks like season tickets are on sale, but no schedule for another few weeks. Look at Peters taking a Dirk 'stork' shot! That would be a great tool to add to his arsenal, especially if he grew to 6'9" as chef mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GcfemUGqmo&noredirect=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GcfemUGqmo&noredirect=1)
Quote from: wh on September 03, 2014, 10:37:09 PM
The Chippewas return all five starters and 96 percent of their scoring from last season.
You say that like it's a good thing. They're not returning the '88 Lakers.
PROTIP: remove the "s" in "https" to embiid your video:
2014 Men's Basketball Season Tickets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GcfemUGqmo#ws)
Quote from: wh on September 03, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
Looks like a great opportunity to see us play 3 games over 3 days the weekend before Thanksgiving.
It looks like this will be just two games. First round games on the 21st, with championship/consolation games on the 23rd.
I tried to weed through this thread to recap the OOC schedule as we presently know it. This is what I'm coming up with (which may or may not be accurate):
Home (no particular order)
Ball State
New Mexico
ETSU
IU South Bend (NAIA)
Grand Valley State (Exh.)
Away (no particular order)
Missouri
Murray State
IPFW
Portland
Drake
Central Michigan/Arkansas-Pine Bluff/Maine (2 of the 3 - TBA)
James Madison
Last season we played a 10-game home OOC schedule, including 6 games against D-1 opponents, 2 non D-1 opponents, and 2 exhibition games. It would appear there's still a lot we don't know about the home schedule.
Seems like VU schedule is the best kept secret in the country. Most schools have theirs out.
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
From an 18-game home schedule a year ago to 15 games this - very disappointing.
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
From an 18-game home schedule a year ago to 15 games this - very disappointing.
We had 16 scheduled. One was CIT and the other was a conference tourney game. Also, two of the 16 were non D1. The year before we had 18, but 3 were non D1 and one was a bracketbuster. In 2011 we had 17 with 4 non D1. 2010 - included a bracketbuster and 2 non D1, 2009 we only had 12 home games, 2008 14, 2007 17, 2006 12.
So 15 is fairly normal for home games.
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
Its not a given we will play 3 non D1 games. Also not mentioned here is our away game vs IPFW Dec 20th.
Quote from: a3uge on September 06, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
From an 18-game home schedule a year ago to 15 games this - very disappointing.
We had 16 scheduled. One was CIT and the other was a conference tourney game. Also, two of the 16 were non D1. The year before we had 18, but 3 were non D1 and one was a bracketbuster. In 2011 we had 17 with 4 non D1. 2010 - included a bracketbuster and 2 non D1, 2009 we only had 12 home games, 2008 14, 2007 17, 2006 12.
So 15 is fairly normal for home games.
We had 18 scheduled home games last year - not 16 - plus a tournament game and the CIT for a total of 20.
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: a3uge on September 06, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
From an 18-game home schedule a year ago to 15 games this - very disappointing.
We had 16 scheduled. One was CIT and the other was a conference tourney game. Also, two of the 16 were non D1. The year before we had 18, but 3 were non D1 and one was a bracketbuster. In 2011 we had 17 with 4 non D1. 2010 - included a bracketbuster and 2 non D1, 2009 we only had 12 home games, 2008 14, 2007 17, 2006 12.
So 15 is fairly normal for home games.
We had 18 scheduled home games last year - not 16 - plus a tournament game and the CIT for a total of 20.
Am I missing someone?
Murray state 1
North Park 2
James Madison 3
UCF 4
Mercer 5
Cincinnati Christian 6
SLU 7
LMU 8
UIC 9
Wright St 10
UWM 11
UWGB 12
Detroit 13
Oakland 14
YSU 15
CSU 16
---- Conf Tourney
UIC 17
---- CIT
Columbia 18
Quote from: a3uge on September 06, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: a3uge on September 06, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
From an 18-game home schedule a year ago to 15 games this - very disappointing.
We had 16 scheduled. One was CIT and the other was a conference tourney game. Also, two of the 16 were non D1. The year before we had 18, but 3 were non D1 and one was a bracketbuster. In 2011 we had 17 with 4 non D1. 2010 - included a bracketbuster and 2 non D1, 2009 we only had 12 home games, 2008 14, 2007 17, 2006 12.
So 15 is fairly normal for home games.
We had 18 scheduled home games last year - not 16 - plus a tournament game and the CIT for a total of 20.
Am I missing someone?
Murray state 1
North Park 2
James Madison 3
UCF 4
Mercer 5
Cincinnati Christian 6
SLU 7
LMU 8
UIC 9
Wright St 10
UWM 11
UWGB 12
Detroit 13
Oakland 14
YSU 15
CSU 16
---- Conf Tourney
UIC 17
---- CIT
Columbia 18
I have no idea why you're making a point of excluding exhibition games. That has nothing to do with my original point. Last year I received 4 sets of season tickets. There were 18 tickets in each set for 18 home games. This year (according to the season ticket order form I received) I will be receiving 4 packets with 15 tickets in each packet for 15 home games. Thus, my disappointment. Comprendere?
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: a3uge on September 06, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: a3uge on September 06, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 06, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
Season ticket form says 15 home games, so it should break down something like this (building off wh's information above):
Home (15):
2 exhibitions (Grand Valley / ??)
8 HL games
5 Non-conference (BSU/UNM/ETSU/IUSB/??)
Road/neutral (17):
8 HL games
3 MSU exempt tourney
2 CMU tourney
2 known (Missouri/JMU)
2 unknown
Valpo gets 30 regular season games (27 + 3 in MSU exempt tourney), so that's how I arrived at the 17 away games. Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
From an 18-game home schedule a year ago to 15 games this - very disappointing.
We had 16 scheduled. One was CIT and the other was a conference tourney game. Also, two of the 16 were non D1. The year before we had 18, but 3 were non D1 and one was a bracketbuster. In 2011 we had 17 with 4 non D1. 2010 - included a bracketbuster and 2 non D1, 2009 we only had 12 home games, 2008 14, 2007 17, 2006 12.
So 15 is fairly normal for home games.
We had 18 scheduled home games last year - not 16 - plus a tournament game and the CIT for a total of 20.
Am I missing someone?
Murray state 1
North Park 2
James Madison 3
UCF 4
Mercer 5
Cincinnati Christian 6
SLU 7
LMU 8
UIC 9
Wright St 10
UWM 11
UWGB 12
Detroit 13
Oakland 14
YSU 15
CSU 16
---- Conf Tourney
UIC 17
---- CIT
Columbia 18
I have no idea why you're making a point of excluding exhibition games. That has nothing to do with my original point. Last year I received 4 sets of season tickets. There were 18 tickets in each set for 18 home games. This year (according to the season ticket order form I received) I will be receiving 4 packets with 15 tickets in each packet for 15 home games. Thus, my disappointment. Comprendere?
I'm not trying to be a jerk or make any point. Im just trying to figure out if we played 3 or 5 non d1 games last year.
No big deal. Everything's good in the brotherhood. :thumbsup:
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
No big deal. Everything's good in the brotherhood. :thumbsup:
I didn't think you were a union guy, brother wh.
Earlier, talksalot mentioned the Bracketbuster return game to Eastern Kentucky, so that may be one of the unknown road games.
I understand December 3 at EKYU... got that second hand...
Rumor of a game against Trinity International on Dec 10. Horizon League schedules to be released tomorrow.
Here's the conference schedule
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxG842IIMAAAyTL.jpg)
Also just as an FYI only UIC and Detroit have anything "official" for their non-con.
Does anyone know whether/if we'll ever get to play New Mexico?
What got me asking was that I saw this on the ESPN college site:
Craig Neal gets $5.7M, 6-year deal
Updated: September 8, 2014, 3:02 PM ET
Associated Press
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- New Mexico men's basketball coach Craig Neal has agreed to a new six-year, $5.7 million contract after leading the Lobos to the NCAA tournament in his first season at the helm, the school announced Monday.
Neal, who took over after Steve Alford left for UCLA before last season, was already under contract through 2020, so the deal doesn't extend the length but is "essentially" a pay increase, New Mexico athletics spokesman Matt Ensor said.
New Mexico had signed Neal to a contract extension in March.
Neal led New Mexico to a 27-7 record last year and is the first coach to lead the Lobos to the NCAA tournament in his first season.
"This means a lot to me and our program," Neal said. "I've received tremendous support from our administration, university and fans in my first year as head coach. It all reaffirmed to me that the University of New Mexico is where I want to spend my career."
Athletic director Paul Krebs said Craig has done an exemplary job in his short time as head coach.
"It became even more apparent to me over the offseason that Craig is well-respected nationally in the basketball community," Krebs said. "After watching him manage a national program, recruit high-caliber student-athletes and solidify himself as a top coach in nation, I felt it was vital to ensure his place as head basketball coach at the University of New Mexico for years to come."
Neal was introduced as New Mexico's coach in April 2013 after spending six seasons as associate head coach under Alford.
As the program's top assistant from 2007-13, Neal was a key figure in the program's six conference championships during that time, school officials said.
The most visible change is that the schedule is unbalanced, i.e. we no longer play everyone once the first half of the conference season, and then repeat.
E.g. we play YSU twice in the first 6 games--the series with them is concluded before we've even seen UDM or UWM.
I may be missing something really simple but how do you know which are the home teams on the HL schedule in the 4:08 p.m. message from Kyle?
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 09, 2014, 05:58:09 PM
Does anyone know whether/if we'll ever get to play New Mexico?
What got me asking was that I saw this on the ESPN college site:
Craig Neal gets $5.7M, 6-year deal
Updated: September 8, 2014, 3:02 PM ET
Associated Press
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- New Mexico men's basketball coach Craig Neal has agreed to a new six-year, $5.7 million contract after leading the Lobos to the NCAA tournament in his first season at the helm, the school announced Monday.
Neal, who took over after Steve Alford left for UCLA before last season, was already under contract through 2020, so the deal doesn't extend the length but is "essentially" a pay increase, New Mexico athletics spokesman Matt Ensor said.
New Mexico had signed Neal to a contract extension in March.
Neal led New Mexico to a 27-7 record last year and is the first coach to lead the Lobos to the NCAA tournament in his first season.
"This means a lot to me and our program," Neal said. "I've received tremendous support from our administration, university and fans in my first year as head coach. It all reaffirmed to me that the University of New Mexico is where I want to spend my career."
Athletic director Paul Krebs said Craig has done an exemplary job in his short time as head coach.
"It became even more apparent to me over the offseason that Craig is well-respected nationally in the basketball community," Krebs said. "After watching him manage a national program, recruit high-caliber student-athletes and solidify himself as a top coach in nation, I felt it was vital to ensure his place as head basketball coach at the University of New Mexico for years to come."
Neal was introduced as New Mexico's coach in April 2013 after spending six seasons as associate head coach under Alford.
As the program's top assistant from 2007-13, Neal was a key figure in the program's six conference championships during that time, school officials said.
Why would the contract of the Lobos' coach change the fact that they were supposed to play at Valpo this coming season?
Quote from: bbtds on September 09, 2014, 07:30:54 PMWhy would the contract of the Lobos' coach change the fact that they were supposed to play at Valpo this coming season?
Here's what. Some years back Valpo had a home and home scheduled with Minnesota. Valpo played there and expected the return game the following year. Dan Munson was hired as the new coach of the Gophers who promptly told Homer there was no way in hell that he was coming to Valpo. End of story. We got a nice buy out. Coaches at that level have financial power and as we know, there is little to gain for them to come here. Until it is officially on the books anything can happen.
New Mexico game is in the program, Dec. 6: http://www.golobos.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=87115&SPSID=616926 (http://www.golobos.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=87115&SPSID=616926)
Quote from: Kyle321n on September 09, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
Here's the conference schedule
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxG842IIMAAAyTL.jpg)
Uh... Bingo? Interesting formatting there.
Quote from: bbtds on September 09, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
I may be missing something really simple but how do you know which are the home teams on the HL schedule in the 4:08 p.m. message from Kyle?
I think I've answered my own question. So no further explanation is necessary.
I like a coach that honors prior commitments, so good on Neal for coming to Valpo!
Here's the press release on the HL schedule ... for those of us who can't decipher the charts above.
http://hln.s3.amazonaws.com/medias/files/519/original.pdf?1410352875 (http://hln.s3.amazonaws.com/medias/files/519/original.pdf?1410352875)
Looking at the Horizon League's schedule of televised games on ESPN, we might conclude which teams the conference figures to be favorites this season. Both Green Bay and Cleveland State appear 4 times, Valpo is listed 3 times, Detroit twice, and Milwaukee once.
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Quote from: Pathfinder on September 09, 2014, 09:00:37 PM
New Mexico game is in the program, Dec. 6: http://www.golobos.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=87115&SPSID=616926 (http://www.golobos.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=87115&SPSID=616926)
Cool. On previous posters' OOC listings I didn't see UNM listed.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 10, 2014, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: Pathfinder on September 09, 2014, 09:00:37 PM
New Mexico game is in the program, Dec. 6: http://www.golobos.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=87115&SPSID=616926 (http://www.golobos.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=87115&SPSID=616926)
Cool. On previous posters' OOC listings I didn't see UNM listed.
The New Mexico game was also mentioned in the Valpo season ticket brochure I received last week, so I think it's a go! :thumbsup:
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/13853/mens-basketball-season-tickets-on-sale-now/#.VBB45GdOVaQ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/13853/mens-basketball-season-tickets-on-sale-now/#.VBB45GdOVaQ)
Quote from: vu72 on September 09, 2014, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: bbtds on September 09, 2014, 07:30:54 PMWhy would the contract of the Lobos' coach change the fact that they were supposed to play at Valpo this coming season?
Here's what. Some years back Valpo had a home and home scheduled with Minnesota. Valpo played there and expected the return game the following year. Dan Munson was hired as the new coach of the Gophers who promptly told Homer there was no way in hell that he was coming to Valpo. End of story. We got a nice buy out. Coaches at that level have financial power and as we know, there is little to gain for them to come here. Until it is officially on the books anything can happen.
In cases such as 72 describes the best response to the reneging party or parties is to give them a firm handshake, an enormous smile, a hard pat on the back (with an inappropriately boisterous laugh), and a clear impression that they may want to spend the rest of their existence watching their backsides.
So... for those preferring a linear view:
Friday, January 2 @ Oakland
Sunday, January 4 HOME Youngstown State
Thursday, January 8, HOME UIC
Saturday, January 10, HOME Cleveland State
Saturday, January 17, @ Wright State
Tuesday, January 20 @ Youngstown State
Friday, January 23, @ Green Bay
Monday, January 26, HOME Milwaukee
Saturday, January 31, @ UIC
Wednesday, February 4, HOME Detroit
Sunday, February 8, HOME Oakland
Friday, February 13, HOME Green Bay
Sunday, February 15, @ Milwaukee
Saturday, February 21, HOME Wright State - Senior Day
Wednesday, February 25, @ Detroit
Friday, February 27, @ Cleveland State
Wait, wait, WAIT! EddieCabot receives Valpo season ticket brochures? WTF?
Schedule has been released: http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/schedule/#.VBHPb-eM4mU (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/schedule/#.VBHPb-eM4mU)
I suspect wh will not be happy and rightly so. This schedule is very weak, playing 4 non-D1 opponents!
Grand Valley St? Has one player taller than 6'7" and he is 6'8" and a freshman.
IU South Bend has zero players over 6'7"
Trinity International has zero players over 6'&"
Goshen has zero players over 6'7"
Weak!!!!
4 of 7 OOC home games against non D-1 opponents. I don't even know what to say anymore.
One positive - counting attendance should be an easy job.
It really does make sense NOT to buy season tickets. Why not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
I just realized something... The conference opener is the same day as my 1 year wedding anniversary. Uh oh.
Lol @ playing "Goshen" less than 24 hours after the IPFW game.
I did this last year and I did it again. If you want to add this to your calendar (Google, Iphonething and Outlook calendars) I have the Valpo schedule here: https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/tcsv0ao2lh890uf6j2u3oqako4%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics (https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/tcsv0ao2lh890uf6j2u3oqako4%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics)
This will download a file onto your computer. If you don't want to do that here's a couple how-to's
Google Calendar: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/30834/add-an-ical-or-.ics-calendar-to-google-calendar/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/30834/add-an-ical-or-.ics-calendar-to-google-calendar/)
Outlook Calendar: http://offices.depaul.edu/oaa/academic-calendar/Pages/how-to-add-ical-file-to-your-outlook.aspx (http://offices.depaul.edu/oaa/academic-calendar/Pages/how-to-add-ical-file-to-your-outlook.aspx)
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMWhy not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
I do not go to these games, I do not listen to these games, and if there is any newspaper coverage of them I will go out of my way to leave them unread. So unless this is an act of complete scheduling desperation what is their purpose? Do they bring in any money?-Nope! Do they sharpen us for HL play? Nope! Is this a successful way to game the RPI numbers? I am not convinced of that either.
Most of us think that the 15-16 and 16-17 teams could be pretty good and pretty marketable. With that in mind I think we should get in touch with ND, Purdue, and Northwestern with the suggestion that a 2 hour drive pay-game might be a way to fill up some otherwise useless scheduling slots.
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 11:56:07 AM
I suspect wh will not be happy and rightly so. This schedule is very weak, playing 4 non-D1 opponents!
Grand Valley St? Has one player taller than 6'7" and he is 6'8" and a freshman.
IU South Bend has zero players over 6'7"
Trinity International has zero players over 6'7"
Goshen has zero players over 6'7"
Weak!!!!
And we have the nerve to criticize other HL Schools' scheduling. :-[ This is a pretty timid approach to getting this bunch of youngsters (Peters, Adekoye, et. al.) battle hardened for the HL season, much less their junior and senior seasons.
Quote from: justducky on September 11, 2014, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMWhy not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
I do not go to these games, I do not listen to these games, and if there is any newspaper coverage of them I will go out of my way to leave them unread. So unless this is an act of complete scheduling desperation what is their purpose? Do they bring in any money?-Nope! Do they sharpen us for HL play? Nope! Is this a successful way to game the RPI numbers? I am not convinced of that either.
Non D1 games are not included in RPI. But yeah, very disappointed in not being able to schedule more mediocre D1 teams at home, and also disappointed the team hasn't set up any home and home games for next year.
Seriously, wtf is up with 3 non-d1 regular season games? I am fine with GVSU as an exhibition, and 1 non-d1 game, but 3???
Quote from: a3uge on September 11, 2014, 03:12:26 PM
Quote from: justducky on September 11, 2014, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMWhy not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
I do not go to these games, I do not listen to these games, and if there is any newspaper coverage of them I will go out of my way to leave them unread. So unless this is an act of complete scheduling desperation what is their purpose? Do they bring in any money?-Nope! Do they sharpen us for HL play? Nope! Is this a successful way to game the RPI numbers? I am not convinced of that either.
Non D1 games are not included in RPI. But yeah, very disappointed in not being able to schedule more mediocre D1 teams at home, and also disappointed the team hasn't set up any home and home games for next year.
In previous discussions some had concluded that non D1 games (because they are not counted as games) might help the final RPI better than playing bottom 50 or 100 D1 opponents. While I will concede that the RPI rating system is flawed and in need of revision, in any year that the HL has almost no chance of any at-large bids; scheduling of lower D1s over non D1s should (in my view) be encouraged.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 11, 2014, 02:18:01 PM
And we have the nerve to criticize other HL Schools' scheduling.
Uh, I won't be doing that again anytime soon. :-[
Pretty much we all did it. :-[
Unfortunately, this year's schedule just points out the challenge schools like Valpo have in putting together a schedule. High majors and quality mid majors just don't want to come to Valpo because they view it as a high risk / low reward situation.
After reviewing the schedule, I've got two quick questions for guys closer to the program than me:
1. With only 1 exhibition game scheduled, will Valpo be participating in a closed scrimmage against another DI team?
2. I thought the rules for regular season games played was max of 29, or 27 + up to 4 in an exempt tournament. The schedule released looks like 28 + 3 in the Nashville exempt tourney ... I'm sure I'm missing something, but what?
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 12, 2014, 01:33:40 PM2. I thought the rules for regular season games played was max of 29, or 27 + up to 4 in an exempt tournament. The schedule released looks like 28 + 3 in the Nashville exempt tourney ... I'm sure I'm missing something, but what?
Is the Central Mich tournament exempt for 2 games?
Isn't Nashville only 2 games?
Three:
Drake
Murray
Portland
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMIt really does make sense NOT to buy season tickets. Why not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
Good call. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on season tickets. I'm in for cherry picking games.
Quote from: Chairback on September 12, 2014, 07:40:35 PMGood call. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on season tickets. I'm in for cherry picking games.
Since Chairback and I stood together on last seasons' premium game selections and pricing now would be a good time to comment on both.
At this point I only see 2 games which would now justify being classified as "premium" and those are New Mexico, and CSU (Wright St on the bubble). Any others that could receive that designation would require some additional explanation (far ahead of time) to explain the games possible significance. Sorry ticket office, but if you have to explain to people why a game is premium priced--then it shouldn't be premium priced.
Quote from: justducky on September 12, 2014, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Chairback on September 12, 2014, 07:40:35 PMGood call. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on season tickets. I'm in for cherry picking games.
Since Chairback and I stood together on last seasons' premium game selections and pricing now would be a good time to comment on both.
At this point I only see 2 games which would now justify being classified as "premium" and those are New Mexico, and CSU (Wright St on the bubble). Any others that could receive that designation would require some additional explanation (far ahead of time) to explain the games possible significance. Sorry ticket office, but if you have to explain to people why a game is premium priced--then it shouldn't be premium priced.
I'll agree with that. Get more people in the seats before charging more for the seats.
Quote from: bbtds on September 12, 2014, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 12, 2014, 01:33:40 PM2. I thought the rules for regular season games played was max of 29, or 27 + up to 4 in an exempt tournament. The schedule released looks like 28 + 3 in the Nashville exempt tourney ... I'm sure I'm missing something, but what?
Is the Central Mich tournament exempt for 2 games?
Isn't Nashville only 2 games?
The wallpaper version of the schedule ( http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/37342911-34C5-43D7-962A-40E8B4CCDF1F/2014mbbwallpaper.png (http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/37342911-34C5-43D7-962A-40E8B4CCDF1F/2014mbbwallpaper.png) ) solves the mystery. The IUSB is marked as the 4th game of the "Challenge in Music City" exempt tourney. I wonder if the Titans will get t-shirts and a video tour of the Grand Ole Opry for their participation?
Also, here are Bryce's thoughts on Valpo's non-conference schedule. http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/13883/2014-15-mens-basketball-schedule-preview-with-bryce-drew/#.VBRfFR_D99A (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/13883/2014-15-mens-basketball-schedule-preview-with-bryce-drew/#.VBRfFR_D99A)
Athletic department announces two more ESPN games. Valpo now has at least 5 ESPN games per the release.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/13900/crusaders-to-host-pair-of-espn3-games/#.VBx1cWd0xaQ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/13900/crusaders-to-host-pair-of-espn3-games/#.VBx1cWd0xaQ)
Maybe next year we'll finally get on ESPN 8, aka "The Ocho".
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 19, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
Maybe next year we'll finally get on ESPN 8, aka "The Ocho".
You know there is only so much programming for ESPN
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Quote from: Chairback on September 12, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMIt really does make sense NOT to buy season tickets. Why not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
Good call. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on season tickets. I'm in for cherry picking games.
Logically, you guys are absolutely right, but when push came to shove I just couldn't do it. Ordered my season tickets yesterday. Just call me an enabler. ;)
ya know wh, I'd do the same thing. Can't think about missing a Valpo game if I was in town. Not being in town, I can assure you I will be there via the internet for all the games!
For those of us who get the SEC Network, the Valpo game against Missouri will be televised there, and it will be a 5 p.m. CT start.
Quote from: wh on September 20, 2014, 07:51:44 AM
Quote from: Chairback on September 12, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMIt really does make sense NOT to buy season tickets. Why not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
Good call. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on season tickets. I'm in for cherry picking games.
Logically, you guys are absolutely right, but when push came to shove I just couldn't do it. Ordered my season tickets yesterday. Just call me an enabler. ;)
Me, too!
Quote from: wh on September 20, 2014, 07:51:44 AM
Quote from: Chairback on September 12, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 11, 2014, 12:59:23 PMIt really does make sense NOT to buy season tickets. Why not cherry pick your games and skip the mighty Goshen like opponents?
Good call. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on season tickets. I'm in for cherry picking games.
Logically, you guys are absolutely right, but when push came to shove I just couldn't do it. Ordered my season tickets yesterday. Just call me an enabler. ;)
I guess this line of thinking makes you all fans of games, rather than fans of VU basketball. I have had seasons tickets for decades, and never once did I look at the schedule to decide if I want them or not.
Quote from: valpospartan on September 22, 2014, 10:58:40 PMI guess this line of thinking makes you all fans of games, rather than fans of VU basketball. I have had seasons tickets for decades, and never once did I look at the schedule to decide if I want them or not.
Feel free to view it how you want but unless you are smugly content to watch VU basketball in near isolation with the 1000 to 1300 hard-core VU regulars, then you need the basketball fans of northwest Indiana to show up on a regular basis. When you have people like myself who deliberately do not buy season tickets just to display (by our absence) the contempt we have with some of the scheduling then you may have a much bigger problem than you realize.
If we want to discuss this any further then we should move the conversation over to the attendance free fall thread because this is once again all about getting people in the building.
Quote from: justducky on September 24, 2014, 08:46:50 PMbecause this is once again all about getting people in the building.
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Let's just be glad our facilities discussion doesn't include this facility
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other schools have to worry about those kind of facilities for their student athletes continously.
Look, Laporte, this discussion has your name all over it. ;D
This could be just the moment I've been waiting for to tell the story of Mel Doering covering VU Football's scrimmage vs. the MC Penitentiary for the Torch!
Understand everyone's frustrations with this year's home schedule. We also would have preferred a different home schedule. Scheduling requires two teams that want to play. We received many "not interested"s this year. We eventually reached a point in time where we needed to finish the schedule and we needed it to have more than 11 home games.
Scheduling basketball games has changed significantly over the past 5 years. The BCS schools play each other more, play each other more on neutral courts, and have become more selective in what mid-majors they play. Mid-majors and low-majors have become more selective as the pressure to win sooner moves to the lower RPI conferences. Guarantees have gotten to the point where paying schools is financially unfeasible for schools outside the BCS. ESPN controls many of the early season tournaments. Many of their tournaments are already scheduled out two or more years. Outside promoters now require the payment of high guarantees to participate in their early season tournaments.
We are working now on ideas for developing a better schedule for next season. This has been a topic of conversation with the Horizon League staff and with all of the Horizon League coaches as a group.
Thanks Mark. Do you think this could be the start of something like a HL/MAC or a HL/ OVC or a HL/MVC challenge kind of thing?
Thank you Mark, your input is appreciated.
I follow a MAC team and they always say that they have the same issue of not finding a home and home partner.
Did the two conferences ever consider a Horizon vs MAC challenge? It makes great sense (geographically) and it is working great for the Big10 and the ACC.
Thanks.
Another factor contributing to the scheduling challenge is our missing 10th conference team. Every HL team has at least 2 non D-1 opponents (YSU and Valpo have 3). Theoretically, returning to 10 teams would all but eliminate the distasteful non D-1 issue.
Quote from: ml on September 25, 2014, 09:56:52 PMWe eventually reached a point in time where we needed to finish the schedule and we needed it to have more than 11 home games.
Thanks. Even if the explanation comes to us a bit late it is still much appreciated. Not sure that all of us are that hung up on boosting the home game number from 11 to 13 or 15 when the quality of those additional opponents is taken into account. Personally I have no problem at all with 2 or maybe even 3 big payday road opponents every year.
This is where the IPFW idea of an Indiana mid-major tournament could really help out...2-4 guaranteed annual games against relevant D1 opponents could go a long way to filling out the non-conference schedule. If it's out of town, offer a discount hotel/ticket package to season ticket holders as incentive.
This same concept could also work with the Chicago schools as well and involve even less travel.
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Quote from: Dave_2010 on September 26, 2014, 08:33:47 AMthe IPFW idea of an Indiana mid-major tournament
great idea. winning team gets a free night in FW.
second-place gets two nights.
Quote from: justducky on September 25, 2014, 11:20:35 PMNot sure that all of us are that hung up on boosting the home game number from 11 to 13 or 15 when the quality of those additional opponents is taken into account.
I'm sure the athletic department IS, however, given how much revenue a game can bring in. you sell more tickets when you have 15 home games than when you have 11.
Thank you for weighing in, ML. I'm sure it's a long a frustrating process, especially given how much rides on MBB for carrying a lot of weight for the dept.
Does anyone have a shining example of a mid-major home schedule? Oakland has a fascinating schedule--it's just on the road, though.
Quote from: wh on September 25, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
Another factor contributing to the scheduling challenge is our missing 10th conference team. Every HL team has at least 2 non D-1 opponents (YSU and Valpo have 3). Theoretically, returning to 10 teams would all but eliminate the distasteful non D-1 issue.
One caveat along with adding a 10th team - a new league rule that states NO MORE NON D-1 GAMES PERMITTED.
Even when the HL had a full complement of 10 programs, teams were still scheduling non D-1's. When the league dropped to 9, teams that were already scheduling 2 non D-1's were basically forced to find D-1 opponents to replace the 2 lost conference games, and "amazingly," they did. That would seem to be a pretty good indicator that they could have and should have been putting together "all D-1" OOC schedules all along. If/when the league returns to 10 teams, there's no reason to believe that team "schedulers" won't squander the opportunity to get rid of non D-1 opponents - short of a league rule prohibiting it.
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AMOne caveat along with adding a 10th team - a new league rule that states NO MORE NON D-1 GAMES PERMITTED.
I think what ml is saying is that you can make all the rules you want but if your possible D-I opponents aren't willing to come to the ARC to play then it really is no good. It takes two teams to make a game. I think it says something about how tough it is to play against Valpo in the ARC.
In another current thread, "Proud to be Valpo" started by VULB#62, a few forum members wrote about why they enjoy this site and its discussions. I'd like to add that the note by ML displays another reason this forum is successful. The feedback by ML and and occasional contributions to dialogue by other VU athletics staff, as well as their cooperation and consideration of suggestions—like the recent creation of a one-page PDF schedule—are much appreciated.
Quote from: bbtds on September 26, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AMOne caveat along with adding a 10th team - a new league rule that states NO MORE NON D-1 GAMES PERMITTED.
I think what ml is saying is that you can make all the rules you want but if your possible D-I opponents aren't willing to come to the ARC to play then it really is no good. It takes two teams to make a game. I think it says something about how tough it is to play against Valpo in the ARC.
I can only surmise that you stopped reading my post after the 1 line you quoted.
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AMNO MORE NON D-1 GAMES PERMITTED
Why? Less harmful to RPI than playing the Chicago States of the world.
Would you like Purdue to do us a solid and schedule us? Don't you think the Purdue-Cals of the world feel the same way about us?
I'd think it hypocritical to bemoan the Power-5 refusing to schedule us while also bewailing scheduling NAIA and D2&3 teams.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2014, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AMNO MORE NON D-1 GAMES PERMITTED
Why?
I have neither the time nor the inclination to (re)explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
For those of you that always complain about Valpo's b-ball schedule, why don't you examine a "major" program? They too have problems with lousy preseason games at home. Relatively speaking, many of those home schedules are worse than VU's and are a joke. Put on your big-boy pants and deal with it! Don't you believe that our b-ball coaches and M LB want the best for our program, including competition wise and financially?
Quote from: valpo64 on September 26, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
For those of you that always complain about Valpo's b-ball schedule, why don't you examine a "major" program? They too have problems with lousy preseason games at home. Relatively speaking, many of those home schedules are worse than VU's and are a joke. Put on your big-boy pants and deal with it! Don't you believe that our b-ball coaches and M LB want the best for our program, including competition wise and financially?
Lousy to a Power-5 fan is playing us. Lousy to us is playing Goshen. Apples and oranges. As to your other point, no one's questioning whether ml and the coaching staff want what's best for the program. The scheduling problem has nothing to do with desire. It does, however, have everything to do with results (by ml's own admission). Lastly, I'm guessing its a little easier to put your big boy pants on when you don't live locally and aren't shelling out your own money for season tickets.
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 07:34:16 PMLousy to a Power-5 fan is playing us. Lousy to us is playing Goshen. Apples and oranges.
Not true. Lousy to a Power-5 conference is playing Alcorn State. (i.e. someone 200 or lower. 100-200, where we are, is fine.)
Lousy to us is playing Goshen.
May well be apples/oranges, but only one of the two teams will take an RPI hit.
(i.e. you still have yet to adequately answer our point about non-D1 games not really mattering)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2014, 04:42:51 PMWhy? Less harmful to RPI than playing the Chicago States of the world.
So your argument is that since the RPI scoring systems are flawed we should embrace their mistakes, take the path of least resistance, and schedule 2 non-D1s instead of weaker D1s who might just be temporarily down on their luck. Brilliant!
Why do we not just address the problem at its source and get the flawed system corrected? This isn't all that hard and could be achievable with a little time, organized pressure and politicking. Off the top of my head you could alter the RPI system so that the lowest 2 D1 teams on all schedules are automatically dropped from the scoring just like the first 2 non-D1s currently are. Even some of the Power-5 teams could find advantages with some such minor adjustments. This is doable. Somebody just needs to point out the problem and get the ball rolling.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2014, 08:25:41 PM
(i.e. you still have yet to adequately answer our point about non-D1 games not really mattering)
This has been discussed ad nauseam in the HL section. Big D, Pathfinder and I went into great depth explaining why playing an all D-1 schedule is necessary to elevate the image and profile of the league, and benefit every member in the process. You either accept it, or you don't.
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AMWhen the league dropped to 9, teams that were already scheduling 2 non D-1's were basically forced to find D-1 opponents to replace the 2 lost conference games, and "amazingly," they did.
The key here is "they did." Not "they can."
Are you saying that you don't believe ml when he says
Quote from: ml on September 25, 2014, 09:56:52 PMScheduling basketball games has changed significantly over the past 5 years.
They tried to get D-I opponents. They couldn't.
Obviously, we're on 2 different planets. You don't understand my point, and I don't understand how you don't understand.
Quote from: bbtds on September 26, 2014, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: wh on September 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AMWhen the league dropped to 9, teams that were already scheduling 2 non D-1's were basically forced to find D-1 opponents to replace the 2 lost conference games, and "amazingly," they did.
The key here is "they did." Not "they can."
Are you saying that you don't believe ml when he says
Quote from: ml on September 25, 2014, 09:56:52 PMScheduling basketball games has changed significantly over the past 5 years.
They tried to get D-I opponents. They couldn't.
Not certain that your interpretation of all the ml commentary is completely accurate. I see it as being vague enough that much is left to individual interpretation which grants some minimum cover to any and all that helped put the schedule together. In any case if the RPI penalty for playing lower D1s was modified to adjust for its unintended consequences (everyone deciding to play 2 non D1 games) then DII, DIII, or NAIA teams would largely disappear from most most schedules.
By the way, I don't live locally and I, along with some others I know, make the trip and do indeed buy season tickets. I must admit though that there are a few games I choose not to travel to watch us play a game( i.e. Goshen). I really do not see this as a problem that can be solved completely and it is something with which we will have to continue to adjust.
The idea of having two games in the OOC not counting towards the RPI because they are 200+ in the ratings index would make it a Power 5 conference's fun because they would go after the independents, SWACs, MEACs, and very low majors because guess what...THERE GAMES WOULDN'T AFFECT OUR RPI!! Why play them then? It would just be a great joke for ESPN and the Power 5 schools. You just suggested something that makes the whole scheduling fiasco a huge bleeping joke.
Everyone does this, anyway. Michigan is playing Wayne State (as an ex) and Hillsdale. Also Nicholls St -- such that a game against UDM is no worse than the 2nd best home game Ann Arborites will see in November.
Then next month they host NJIT, former bitter conference rival of Chicago St., and then they get a feel for Coppin St. as well (Fangs a lot).
So, 3 D1 dregs and 1 non-D1, plus another non-D1 that doesn't count. Somehow Michigan fans will manage to turn out, I'm sure.
And they have far more reason to question their AD's abilities lately.
LAA, Coppin St. fired Fang Mitchell after last season, so there will be no Fangs to bare in Ann Arbor for this game.
Quote from: justducky on September 26, 2014, 09:12:10 PMQuote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2014, 04:42:51 PM
Why? Less harmful to RPI than playing the Chicago States of the world.
So your argument is that since the RPI scoring systems are flawed we should embrace their mistakes, take the path of least resistance, and schedule 2 non-D1s instead of weaker D1s who might just be temporarily down on their luck. Brilliant!
First off I need to apologize to LAA, since me calling him brilliant was obviously a mistake. ;)
Quote from: valpo64 on September 27, 2014, 06:09:27 AMI must admit though that there are a few games I choose not to travel to watch us play a game( i.e. Goshen). I really do not see this as a problem that can be solved completely and it is something with which we will have to continue to adjust.
The world of all mid-major and below D1s is under assault and coordinated action by their administrators, coaches and fans will be required just to tread water.
Quote from: valporun on September 27, 2014, 08:56:04 PMThe idea of having two games in the OOC not counting towards the RPI because they are 200+ in the ratings index would make it a Power 5 conference's fun because they would go after the independents, SWACs, MEACs, and very low majors because guess what...THERE GAMES WOULDN'T AFFECT OUR RPI!! Why play them then? It would just be a great joke for ESPN and the Power 5 schools. You just suggested something that makes the whole scheduling fiasco a huge bleeping joke.
Any changes to the current RPI systems would require fresh modeling to insure that no new unintended consequences would be introduced. Since I only have 20 seconds of time invested in my initial proposal I am willing to concede that it might not be the ultimate or total solution. Why don't we all just focus on how to repair the broken system? Run, since I put 20 seconds of my time into what you believe to be a poor idea I challenge you to spend 20 minutes of thought towards finding a better proposal.
Get rid of the Ratings Percentage Index, schedule whomever you want, and cut the NCAA Tournament back to the 31 winners of their respective conference championships and the IVY regular season champion. A bloated NCAA tournament with teams from the Power 5 just adding to the millions they'll get from the pie doesn't intrigue me anymore. If you aren't good enough to win your conference title, then you go to the NIT or hang up the uniforms for the rest of the academic year, and focus on school. Make the regular season mean something for teams to improve, not just focus on scheduling certain teams that will build a complicated resume that doesn't do anything to prove a good team from a bad team, just a matter of who can BS their way to getting teams to come to their place, or pay them the right amount to get their back sides handed to them.
Just have the top two teams (according to some machine that does math and stuff) decide who plays in a championship game. Other teams that are really good can play each other too. These will all be at neutral sites. Have like 6 of these games more prestigious and sometimes the same conference playing each other. Name these games after flowers, fruits, and stuff, but put a big corporate sponsor in front of the name. Other teams with winning records can play in these 1-game matchups as well and complete for irrelevant trophies.
Quote from: a3uge on September 29, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Just have the top two teams (according to some machine that does math and stuff) decide who plays in a championship game. Other teams that are really good can play each other too. These will all be at neutral sites. Have like 6 of these games more prestigious and sometimes the same conference playing each other. Name these games after flowers, fruits, and stuff, but put a big corporate sponsor in front of the name. Other teams with winning records can play in these 1-game matchups as well and complete for irrelevant trophies.
Orange you glad schools like Valpo have "rose" above this kind of thinking? Cotton we all just see the benefit of playing each other and not worry about the consequences of losing? Let's not Sugar coat it. These big schools are afraid to lose like it would ruin their Fiesta and kill their Peach crop with an early freezing.
Quote from: a3uge on September 29, 2014, 08:17:47 PMJust have the top two teams (according to some machine that does math and stuff) decide who plays in a championship game. Other teams that are really good can play each other too. These will all be at neutral sites. Have like 6 of these games more prestigious and sometimes the same conference playing each other. Name these games after flowers, fruits, and stuff, but put a big corporate sponsor in front of the name. Other teams with winning records can play in these 1-game matchups as well and complete for irrelevant trophies.
Why didn't I think of this?
When I was much younger this type of creative thought used to pop into my head on a regular basis, although it was frequently following a half bottle of scotch.
Quote from: valporun on September 29, 2014, 06:30:39 PMGet rid of the Ratings Percentage Index, schedule whomever you want, and cut the NCAA Tournament back to the 31 winners of their respective conference championships and the IVY regular season champion. A bloated NCAA tournament with teams from the Power 5 just adding to the millions they'll get from the pie doesn't intrigue me anymore. If you aren't good enough to win your conference title, then you go to the NIT or hang up the uniforms for the rest of the academic year, and focus on school. Make the regular season mean something for teams to improve, not just focus on scheduling certain teams that will build a complicated resume that doesn't do anything to prove a good team from a bad team, just a matter of who can BS their way to getting teams to come to their place, or pay them the right amount to get their back sides handed to them.
Sometimes going backwards is the best way to proceed forward. This would take us back to the format (32 teams) of about what maybe 1978? I like the simplicity.
But-------How long would it take the Power 5 schools to dissolve into 8 team conferences just so they could regain their NCAA disproportionate numbers? On the plus side the NIT could once again become a big, big deal of major significance. You could theoretically have more higher ranked teams in the NIT than the NCAA.
Quote from: bbtds on September 29, 2014, 08:38:58 PMOrange you glad schools like Valpo have "rose" above this kind of thinking? Cotton we all just see the benefit of playing each other and not worry about the consequences of losing? Let's not Sugar coat it. These big schools are afraid to lose like it would ruin their Fiesta and kill their Peach crop with an early freezing.
So, what was your pointsettia? It's not like you tied a bluebonnet on it. All this does is make me kind of sad, blue and gray. ;)
Alamo reason to take a Holiday from this whole topic.
See you later, Alli-GATOR.
The 2014-15 basketball season officially gets underway tomorrow night!! Who else is getting overly excited for this?
I like our road schedule, conference, and home game against UNM, so I am excited for those. The only thing we can be excited about relating to the non-D1 games, is that we get to see some of the younger guys play more in those games, and hopefully get Chadwick some quality minutes to get him more game action.
Quote from: valporun on October 02, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
The 2014-15 basketball season officially gets underway tomorrow night!! Who else is getting overly excited for this?
You had me there for a second. Didn't realize they had moved it up two weeks. Great! The sooner we can get the season started the better. In the meantime can someone please stop by to catch some practice and tell us whats going on??
Quote from: vu72 on October 02, 2014, 05:56:01 PM
In the meantime can someone please stop by to catch some practice and tell us whats going on??
I agree. We need more friendly spies on this forum. Not being a MBB guy I defer to all the rest of you guys, but I genuinely enjoy reading about your observations.
This FB/Track guy can't help feeling that we are being pushed under the radar (undeserved), yet Valpo could be a more significant factor than the pundits are prognosticating. We will go maybe 6-10, 6-7 or 6-8, 6-9 across the front line, and I think the whole team can run. So, I wonder if there will be a little different version of Valpo BB from what we saw in 2013-14? My biggest thing is seeing how much of a jump Alex will make between his freshman and sophomore years. My biggest question is who is gonna step up and assert themselves.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 02, 2014, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: vu72 on October 02, 2014, 05:56:01 PM
In the meantime can someone please stop by to catch some practice and tell us whats going on??
I agree. We need more friendly spies on this forum. Not being a MBB guy I defer to all the rest of you guys, but I genuinely enjoy reading about your observations.
This FB/Track guy can't help feeling that we are being pushed under the radar (undeserved), yet Valpo could be a more significant factor than the pundits are prognosticating. We will go maybe 6-10, 6-7 or 6-8, 6-9 across the front line, and I think the whole team can run. So, I wonder if there will be a little different version of Valpo BB from what we saw in 2013-14? My biggest thing is seeing how much of a jump Alex will make between his freshman and sophomore years. My biggest question is who is gonna step up and assert themselves.
Fair question. I think you'll see several. First, Vashil made a huge jump from sophomore to junior and expect the same again. Next, the sophomore year is always a big jump and expect that from Peters and Adekoya. Next think back on how LaVonte looked after sitting out a year. Flashes of great stuff but lots of questions. The next year? All conference. I can see a similar result for Keith Carter. I really expect a LaVonte type output from E. Victor for the same reason. He will need a year to get used to our system. As a result I think we won't see great things from him. Still, I think he will contribute in a very good way.
This year off-first year of eligibility could very well have effected Chadwick as well. If his health is good we may very well see much improvement in his play as well.
We are looking at a new cast of characters. Not a lot of certainty.
But this sure beats hoping A. Nikilla has developed a cross-over dribble over the summer.
Does anyone know the practice times?
Thanks.
Some perspective is needed.
Here's what our conference looks like. The number is non-exhibition home dates; the first name is most objectively attractive non-con home date; the second is the next-best game.
Valpo 6 New Mexico Ball State
CSU 7 San Francisco Toledo
WSU 5 George Mason Miami (NTM)
UWGB 6 Georgia St Drake
UIC 7 UCF Loyola
UWM 6 Wisconsin* Montana
YSU 7 N Kentucky Kent St
UDM 7 Wichita St* USF
Oak 6 Toledo W Mich
So...it's all pretty much birds of a feather here. We're all in the same boat. Most people have a really good game to look forward to, and there's a falloff to the next best one.
UDM has the best home non-con, but the WSU is asterisked because that's just payback for the Bracket Buster two years back. They still have South Florida and Oral Roberts. And UWM has Wisconsin, but that's just because the state schools and the flagship have a relationship unlike really any other I can think of.
Point being: we're all in the same boat, and it's not like we're dragging the conference down...if anything--pulling it up.
There are people on here wanting "BCS"! when they really mean "Power 5"! and yet the only Power 5 team going to an HL school ALL season long is probably only obligated to by the Wisconsin state legislature.
Scheduling is hard.
Now, ticketing...that might be an interesting cost comparison. But I'm done for the day.
I just noticed the Valpo-Maine game on Sunday starts at 8:45 AM? I thought it was a typo, but have confirmed through other sources. Anyone know why this game is being played at such an odd time?
because 8:15 was just too early
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 18, 2014, 01:52:20 PMI just noticed the Valpo-Maine game on Sunday starts at 8:45 AM? I thought it was a typo, but have confirmed through other sources. Anyone know why this game is being played at such an odd time?
CMU plays Drake at 12:30 p.m. ET. I wonder if they gave Valpo and Maine a choice of 9:45 a.m. ET and 3:15 p.m. ET. Well, that still seems to scream 3:15, dummies. Maybe Maine has a party to get to back in Orono. Could be the CMU women have a game too. There won't be many fans at the game on Sunday in mid-Michigan and the McGuick Arena will be pretty quiet no matter what. Could be Maine just wants their athletes back early enough for practice on Monday morning.
I was thinking about attending but leaving by 4:30 a.m. CT to sit in a quiet gym where the only sounds you hear are the squeaking shoes and dribble of the basketball with an occasional shout from a fan, player, coach or ref. Well, that is driving almost 2 hours in the dark. Watching the sunrise in Grand Rapids wouldn't be all bad. Temps will be in the 20's and possble snow flurries.
"Well, that is driving almost 2 hours in the dark. Watching the sunrise in Grand Rapids wouldn't be all bad. Temps will be in the 20's and possble snow flurries. "
2 hours will get you a little over halfway to CMU. 3-1/2 hrs. will get you there - with no snow, that is.
Yeah I had thought about going up to these games too. 8:30 is just way too early for me to try to get there.
Quote from: valpospartan on November 18, 2014, 10:31:05 PM2 hours will get you a little over halfway to CMU. 3-1/2 hrs. will get you there - with no snow, that is.
Sorry I wasn't more clear.
that is driving almost 2 hours in the darkTwo hours in the dark until the sun rises at 6:41 a.m. CT then 1.5 or more hours till Mt Pleasant.
Actually since Grand Rapids at 7:41 a.m. will put you in the middle of rush hour add about 5 to 10 minutes.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Valparaiso+University,+1700+Chapel+Dr,+Valparaiso,+IN+46383/McGuirk+Arena,+360+W+Broomfield+St,+Mt+Pleasant,+MI+48858/@42.8627053,-85.9081345,7z/am=t/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Valparaiso+University,+1700+Chapel+Dr,+Valparaiso,+IN+46383/McGuirk+Arena,+360+W+Broomfield+St,+Mt+Pleasant,+MI+48858/@42.8627053,-85.9081345,7z/am=t/data=)!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x88119a6abcae3cdb:0x66489861033cba18!2m2!1d-87.04236!2d41.464277!1m5!1m1!1s0x882204b348153f15:0x16294f37de84f351!2m2!1d-84.773909!2d43.581798
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Sunrise over Grand Rapids Tuesday morning
Looking past these two winnable games ... I just looked at the roster for PORTLAND.. Game 3 in Nashville...
They have HEIGHT:
7'0" FR Center from Germany (Only played 11 minutes in an exhibition, and not at all against SJState)
6-11 SR Center From Netherlands
6'10" SR Fwrd/Center from Ukraine
6'10" SR/Red-Shirt from Canada (Had their one blocked shot in their OT Win over San Jose State)
... and a 6'8" FR Forward from Portland
You really think there is going to be rush hour traffic at 7:41AM on a Sunday morning? Unless there is a hidden 14,000+ member megachurch arena along the way, I don't see traffic being an issue on a Sunday morning.
Portland is copying our worldly roster :)
Quote from: valporun on November 20, 2014, 03:53:24 PMYou really think there is going to be rush hour traffic at 7:41AM on a Sunday morning? Unless there is a hidden 14,000+ member megachurch arena along the way, I don't see traffic being an issue on a Sunday morning.
My mistake. I got the Friday game time mixed up with Sunday.
The good news is that by working late tonight I will be heading to mid-Michigan tomorrow about 11:30 am. Half of my co-workers are leaving for Thanksgiving vacation starting tomorrow I hear Mt Pleasant is having light snow tonight and will have a little less than a foot of snow on the ground but no precipitation is expected tomorrow. It's not Buffalo but I'm sure it will be shocking to my system. Better make sure my snow brush is in the car.
I'm sure it will be shocking to the Golden Lions also. Especially since they have already been to Hawaii this season. No game thread?
For any fans wanting to keep with our opponents, whether we played them already or upcoming, Missouri will be taking on Arizona at Maui in a few minutes, and Murray St. plays Xavier this evening on Fox Sports 1. MSU interests me, at least so we have an idea of what to look forward to with our game against them on Saturday.
Quote from: valporun on November 24, 2014, 04:09:57 PM
For any fans wanting to keep with our opponents, whether we played them already or upcoming, Missouri will be taking on Arizona at Maui in a few minutes, and Murray St. plays Xavier this evening on Fox Sports 1. MSU interests me, at least so we have an idea of what to look forward to with our game against them on Saturday.
I watched these games also. Mizzou lost by 20, but kept it close versus mighty Arizona.
Murray St. got blown out by Xavier. Valpo has loads more talent, so if they play an ok game and avoid mistakes, they should handle them on Saturday.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 24, 2014, 09:01:19 PMMurray St. got blown out by Xavier. Valpo has loads more talent, so if they play an ok game and avoid mistakes, they should handle them on Saturday.
Murray St. really likes to run and trap. We need to be prepared to get back on D and also be able to make the good open pass. They have good quickness and seemed to try and fight over the top of screens. Xavier was MUCH more physical than Murray St. and we will also need to be the same.
so... after a month... how is our previous victims are doing...
East Tenn St: 3-1, Nolan RPI 68... Valpo is their only loss; wins over NC_Asheville, Winthrop and Morehead State
Missouri, 2-3, Nolan RPI 168... losses to UMKC,Arizona and Purdue... wins over Valpo and ORU.
AKR-PB - 1-5, Nolan RPI 229... losses to Hawaii, High Point, Central Michigan and Ohio...and Valpo. Win against CSU-Bakersfield #339
Maine: 0-5; Nolan RPI 252...losses to Butler (by 42), NJIT, Central Michigan, Northern Illinois... and Valpo.
Drake is 1-6, Nolan RPI 246
Murray State is 2-4, Nolan RPI 178
Portland is 4-1, Nolan RPI 191 (this will go up solely based on the WCConference SOS.