I know most everyone who posted about the women's games were putting their comments in last season's thread. Time to get this year's thread rolling...
The women beat Liberty, 70-68, at the ARC. Dani Frankin had 29 points, and no one else was in double digits scoring for the Crusaders. It was a very back and forth game, and tied until Amber Lindfors made a catch and shoot final shot with 0.8 seconds left. It was a good game. Liberty put up a struggle for the women, but they stayed in it nicely. Yes, Liberty hasn't won a game this season, but they didn't lose to equal or lesser competition. They scheduled above them to get ready for their Big South foes. They are now 0-4, but they'll win games once they get to where they aren't playing above what they can win against.
The Valpo women are now 3-2 overall, 2-0 at home, with the first home win being Monday's game against IU-Kokomo. The women definitely need to play with some more height, but they are able to run. They just need to control the turnovers. They had 19 tonight. They'll get better, but they just need to get things under control, in terms of passes and basketball IQ. They'll be ready to do some good work in the conference this season.
Coach Dorow 's sister is an assistant coach at Liberty. Coach Dorow 's assistant coach is Liberty's all-time leading scorer.
Quote from: talksalot on November 26, 2016, 08:01:23 AM
Coach Dorow 's sister is an assistant coach at Liberty. Coach Dorow 's assistant coach is Liberty's all-time leading scorer.
So that was a very personal game for Coach Dorow and one I sure she was very relieved to win.
Might the women's team be playing Liberty in the future?
https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=nicole%20johanson
Has this really happened. No announcement to date and I do not think we have a scholarship available..
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 30, 2016, 11:49:22 AM
https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=nicole%20johanson (https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=nicole%20johanson)
Has this really happened. No announcement to date and I do not think we have a scholarship available..
I saw her when she visited and sat near her at the women's game against Indianapolis. She appeared very tall (6'5" or 6'6") and strong!
We can have twin towers in both men's and women's basketball!
The women upped their record to 5-4 with a 73-68 victory over Eastern Illinois. At one point, the women had a 50-38 lead before almost giving it up. In fact, in the first quarter, the women had a 20-5 lead before EIU went on a 17-0 run. After that, Valpo took a good amount of control, before pulling this game out. This was a good win for the women. They'll next travel up the road a little ways to some college town called South Bend to play the #1 Notre Dame Fighting Irish. We'll get drubbed, but at least we won't be winless for the weekend.
Dani Franklin led the scoring with 33 points on 12-20 from the field, 3-4 from 3pt, and 6-7 from the FT line. She missed her second charity shot of the season in this game. No one else was in double figures scoring for the Brown and Gold. Freshman Caitlyn Morrison had a good game for this up-and-comer. She had 9 points on 3-7 shooting, and 8 rebounds, so she wasn't far from a double-double. Amber Lindfors didn't have a terrible game in her return from the ankle injury that kept her out of the Evansville game on Wednesday night. She had 4 points and 8 rebounds.
We are 4-3
Notre Dame is #1 for a reason... Not for the faint of heart.
http://www.espn.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2940656/gameId/400912026/
First Quarter: 34-7
Second Quarter: 38-16
at the half: 72-23... Irish shooting 71% from the field. Valpo has 20 turnovers/ ND leading rebounds... 19-9
They were also more athletic, quicker, and older in court years than we were. We definitely took our drubbing, but whatever this team does the rest of December, they really need to work on the turnovers, and find one or two others who can do some major scoring with Dani Franklin.
We had to scramble to keep the ending score at down 60. If they had wanted to it could have been over 100 easy. The disparity in talent was that great. ND only had 9 healthy players and short of pulling players from campus (think Bryce Drew vs. IU-Kokomo) this was about as expected.
The Ultimate spin!!
Donchetz, Schofield Post Career Bests in Loss to No. 1 Notre Dame
Makes it sound like we played great, two people setting personal bests but ultimately fell to No. 1
The reality: We lost by 60 and those career bests were for 10 and 8 points respectively. We are very young and have turned the corner to some extent. In this case however when we turned the corner we were broadsided by a Mack Truck!!
and ND's 60-point win over Valpo knocked them OUT of the #1 ranking... and then they fall to Yukon by a dozen...it's that Valpo Curse again...
Regardless of who the opponent is, until we can start winning some of the turnover and rebound battles, it's going to be a struggle this season.
This Saturday... we have 8-5 Grace College Lancers coming in 1:30pm TIP in the ARC...
Series Notes: The Crusaders and Lancers have met on seven prior occasions, but the most recent showdown between the two squads occurred during the 1984-85 season. The Crusaders own a 6-1 all-time edge in a series that began in 1973-1974.
Worth Noting
With a victory, the Crusaders will have a winning record this late in the season for the first time since 2008-2009, when they were 9-7 through 16 games.
Valpo can get off to its best nine-game start since 2005-2006 and equal its best nine-game start since 1999-2000, when the team started 6-3.
The Crusaders can move to 4-1 at home, their best home start since 2012-2013, when then first-year head coach Tracey Dorow guided the team to a 5-1 record at home to begin the year.
Valpo can capture its fifth nonleague win, which would be the most since 2012-2013 and equal the most since joining the Horizon League. With still two non-league games remaining, Valpo would have already matched the most non-league victories since 2006-2007, when the Crusaders notched six non-conference triumphs in their final season in the Mid-Continent Conference.
The Crusaders have had a better shooting percentage than their opponent in seven of their eight games this season, with the only exception coming on Sunday at No. 1 Notre Dame.
Sophomore Allison Schofield connected on two 3-pointers on Sunday against the Fighting Irish and finished with a career-high eight points.
The Crusaders have not won the turnover battle against a Division-I team this season.
OK 20+ point win over Grace this afternoon. Had a brief chat with Grace Coach Scott Blum after the game; he had fond memories of his days in the Brown and Gold.
the Crusaders got on the bus after the game and autograph session... heading to Bloomington for an afternoon game tomorrow against the 6-3 Hoosiers. (1pm central).. IU beat NoKy 100-49 on Thursday. Their losses are to Auburn, Western Kentucky, and NC State.
Down 42-22 in Bloomington at the half...
We finished the non-conference season with a bad home loss to Bradley last night.
We do have five wins so far....2 non D1's and Chicago State, Liberty and Eastern Illinois all with RPI's over 320. We have 3 losses to teams with RPI's between 260 and 274. Two of those at home.
Sitting here today, I do not see where we will have much improvement record-wise.
As of 2016 we have turned over all the assistant coaches and the entire team. There seems to be one constant
Looking solely at RPI, it may be awhile before the Crusaders get back into the win column. Maybe at YSU (1/14)? Maybe at home against NKU (1/20)?
What the heck is going on?
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 20, 2016, 07:21:51 AM
We finished the non-conference season with a bad home loss to Bradley last night.
We do have five wins so far....2 non D1's and Chicago State, Liberty and Eastern Illinois all with RPI's over 320. We have 3 losses to teams with RPI's between 260 and 274. Two of those at home.
Sitting here today, I do not see where we will have much improvement record-wise.
As of 2016 we have turned over all the assistant coaches and the entire team. There seems to be one constant
Quote from: Vinny on December 20, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
Looking solely at RPI, it may be awhile before the Crusaders get back into the win column. Maybe at YSU (1/14)? Maybe at home against NKU (1/20)?
What the heck is going on?
Using Massey ratings of all of women's college basketball, here are some totals before and after Dorow:
Year Massey Ranking Record
08 190 14-16
09 137 16-14
10 276 9-21
11 278 7-24
12 262 10-21
Dorow:
13 262 11-20
14 443 6-25
15 421 6-24
16 318 10-21
17 409 5-6 so far
Dorow has had some good recruiting classes the last three years, but they have not shown great improvement yet this season. I think Dorow needs to win at least 6 conference games and one or two games in the tournament to be able to show any improvement. According to Massey, that isn't very likely.
Oh, and Dorow's twitter feed shows that she also retweets Joel Osteen ???
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=74995
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=87799
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=97289
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=101141
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=179269
Dorow:
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=193574
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=203291
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=267616
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=284068
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=292155
Quote from: covufan on December 20, 2016, 10:43:08 AMOh, and Dorow's twitter feed shows that she also retweets Joel Osteen ???
::) :( :-[
Watched the second half of last nights game and found myself screaming at the monitor. As a former coach it was very hard to watch. They really need our support and I hope they improve in conference.
Quote from: FWalum on December 20, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
Watched the second half of last nights game and found myself screaming at the monitor. As a former coach it was very hard to watch. They really need our support and I hope they improve in conference.
Where to start....a few examples
1. Against a press our out of bounds play (everytime) run 2 players straight to the baseline and hope they are open
2. In a tradition started in the Freeman era our PG races down the floor with no plan once she gets there
3. Time after time we passed up wide open 8-10 footers to barrel into the lane against taller opponents throwing up wild shots
Read and Digest this...and have a Merry Christmas.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/15993/donchetz-overcomes-every-obstacle-emerges-as-key-contributor-for-valpo-womens-basketball/#.WFlyc1MrIdU
Quote from: talksalot on December 20, 2016, 01:08:04 PM
Read and Digest this...and have a Merry Christmas.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/15993/donchetz-overcomes-every-obstacle-emerges-as-key-contributor-for-valpo-womens-basketball/#.WFlyc1MrIdU
Great article, great kid!
This is why I was so disappointed Dorow was brought back. I think a good coach could take the talent already there and have us at or near .500 in year one. With this year, and possibly next (not sure what buyout would be on the two year deal) under this coach we will continue to struggle.
We have under-achieved for many years now. That's a given. It's hard basketball to watch. We've been playing the same vanilla offense since Dorow arrived. After 5 minutes of play, our opponent's coaching staff has seen what to expect the rest of the game. We still don't have anyone on staff that can teach the proper technique of blocking out. Out-rebounded again by 13 boards. Our footwork inside is terrible. I've been saying this for years.
We could only muster up 8 assist the entire game. Our guards aren't seeing the floor, and our bigs are out of position.
We stole the ball 1 time to their 7.
Our bench only contributed 14 points to their bench's 27.
2 for 19 from 3. Not much you can say about that one.
I don't see much success in the future with the schedule we have, and the same issues we've had year after year. Until we get someone at the helm that's willing to take a step backward and concentrate on the fundamentals of the game, it's going to be the same broken record.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 20, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
This is why I was so disappointed Dorow was brought back. I think a good coach could take the talent already there and have us at or near .500 in year one. With this year, and possibly next (not sure what buyout would be on the two year deal) under this coach we will continue to struggle.
Not with the talent that we had when she first started. It was already a large struggle to win games in Freeman's last few seasons. I don't believe that any coach would have gotten us to around .500, as you still need players that can make shots, and not turn the ball over.
Quote from: valpotx on December 21, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 20, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
This is why I was so disappointed Dorow was brought back. I think a good coach could take the talent already there and have us at or near .500 in year one. With this year, and possibly next (not sure what buyout would be on the two year deal) under this coach we will continue to struggle.
Not with the talent that we had when she first started. It was already a large struggle to win games in Freeman's last few seasons. I don't believe that any coach would have gotten us to around .500, as you still need players that can make shots, and not turn the ball over.
I disagree. The last season Freeman was here, though we only went 10-21, you have to remember that the team was devastated with injuries. Most games we only dressed 6 or 7, and several games where we only had 5 healthy, with 2 being freshman. In the Dorow era, with the talent on hand and healthy, we've underachieved. We can't continue to make excuses and hope things get better. They won't. We've been wasting decent talent by not providing them with the tools they need to gain confidence and succeed. It's been the theme for years now.
Quote from: valpotx on December 21, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 20, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
This is why I was so disappointed Dorow was brought back. I think a good coach could take the talent already there and have us at or near .500 in year one. With this year, and possibly next (not sure what buyout would be on the two year deal) under this coach we will continue to struggle.
Not with the talent that we had when she first started. It was already a large struggle to win games in Freeman's last few seasons. I don't believe that any coach would have gotten us to around .500, as you still need players that can make shots, and not turn the ball over.
Agree that players still need to make shots. Dani Franklin had a TERRIBLE night against Bradley, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. She averages 20 per game and had 10 and is shooting 50% from the 3 but went 0 for 5. Our bigs are not very athletics and get out rebounded. 20 turnovers per game. Still a long way to go...
I wouldn't go so far as to say that we had the talent to be a winning team in the last few seasons. You cannot have 20 - 30 turnovers in any game, and expect to win games. Whenever I watch a game, some of the turnovers I see are just simply stupid, and not anything you can really coach out of someone. They tend to just dribble right into a defender, or pass a ball to someone who is 100% covered. They should have better instincts than this at the D-1 level.
Jeanette Gray and Suzie Hammel would run our current squad ragged, in regards to athleticism. Jeanette apparently plays professional football in a women's league (http://www.chicagoforcefootball.com/playerbio.asp?id=304&year=2013), which is a different league than what Heather Furr plays/played. I know that I am living in the past from when we were good, but the athleticism differences in what I have seen from our team over the last decade is vast compared to what I witnessed when on campus. We didn't turn the ball over 15+ times each game back then, and it seems like it has been commonplace in the last 10 years.
Wow the collapse continues. The preseason #9 and 10 play and we lose by 25. Might have been the saddest performance in the Dorow era. Basically little effort given.
Why are we still starting Schaub? 20 minutes 0 points, 5 to's. Donchetz should be the starter and it isn't even close.
We open down 10-0 with 6 turnovers claw back by half start the same people get out scored 30-6 in the third.
This game reminded me of the football where we fired Carlson when the bus returned to Valpo. It was that bad....
Detroit Mercy was picked to finish second in the Horizon League preseason poll, not 10th.
Quote from: Brandon on December 29, 2016, 10:13:40 PM
Detroit Mercy was picked to finish second in the Horizon League preseason poll, not 10th.
Well that explains some of the result though not the lack of effort.
I could have sworn the Detroit announcer (who I thought was pretty good) said 9 and 10.
They also have the pre-season player of the year. Not a bad loss, though I wish it was closer.
Quote from: valpotx on December 30, 2016, 12:44:23 AM
They also have the pre-season player of the year. Not a bad loss, though I wish it was closer.
Did you watch it? We went through the motions and were down over 30 but rallied to lose by 25.
Even our better teams got spanked by GB in the early years of our HL journey. The haves and the have nots in Women's sports have a large difference in talent. I would assume that the top 3 HL teams will beat down the rest of the HL in a similar manner. We will see how it pans out.
ValpoTX, You are absolutely right with the haves and have nots. I think this just further proves my on the coaching change? Can Dorow make up Horizon League respectable? Possibly. But i would argue it's time to try out a couple of boom or bust type WBHCs. Big school coach who couldn't cut it in the power 5s, high level 2nd or 3rd Assistant who may or may not be a little raw for their own program. What do we have to lose at this point? It may be a lofty goal for this program to compete for the league title year in and year out but so what? If you're not aspiring to be a championship level program what the hell are you taking the floor for?
Quote from: valpotx on December 30, 2016, 11:00:20 AM
Even our better teams got spanked by GB in the early years of our HL journey. The haves and the have nots in Women's sports have a large difference in talent. I would assume that the top 3 HL teams will beat down the rest of the HL in a similar manner. We will see how it pans out.
Agreed but Detroit is not Green Bay by any means. They are 5-7 with 2 home losses and a 10 point loss at Bradley. We should have been more competitive.
Approaching midway in the 2nd Q Oakland 47 Valpo 17
Down 28 at half to Oakland
Pretty sure Dorow has proven convincingly that she can't coach at this level. She needs to go. Embarrassing.
Quote from: vu72 on December 31, 2016, 11:55:11 AMDown 28 at half to Oakland
Pretty sure Dorow has proven convincingly that she can't coach at this level. She needs to go. Embarrassing.
What took you so long? ::)
Is it she can't coach or is it she hasn't recruited good talent? Regardless, the women's program is in shambles and she probably is at the end of her rope.
Wasn't Dorow given an extension recently? Even in the embarrassment that was Valpo football a couple years ago, the school showed it will not part ways with a coach based on poor performance. Carlson had only six days left on his contract when he was let go after the Butler fiasco, so his firing was more symbolic than anything else.
There are other programs that are consistently poor (swimming/women's tennis), but the coaches typically remain.
vinny,
Not true about Osteen. I thought the 3-40 legend had another year on his contract that Valpo had to eat.
Valpo is obviously not trigger happy when it comes to firing incompetent coaches.
story, but with all that is available at Valpo, why should we expect mediocrity?
Quote from: M on December 31, 2016, 12:37:34 PM
Is it she can't coach or is it she hasn't recruited good talent? Regardless, the women's program is in shambles and she probably is at the end of her rope.
The can't coach part is pretty obvious. Do we have talent is a harder question. We run an offense which basically gets no one open therefore we usually end up forcing a shot. The only opening is a dump into Lindfors who has developed a decent post move. She should be shooting 10-12 times rather than 4-5.
The fact that Franklin scores 19 a game within this system is a testament to her.
Nothing new here. Every year it's another excuse. Injuries, still playing with the talent that the previous coach brought on board, bla, bla, bla. The coaching staff lacks basketball knowledge, and they are trying to build a program with an average D2 coach at best. The staff, along with the talent they brought in, has no business playing in D1. The weakest link is the coaching. Even with the talent on hand an average D1 coach could do much more that this coaching staff is doing. Pretty sad really. The only thing they are accomplishing is beating down the confidence of a group of young ladies that need better direction and guidance.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 20, 2016, 02:53:51 PMI think a good coach could take the talent already there and have us at or near .500 in year one.
Quote from: vu72 on December 31, 2016, 11:55:11 AMPretty sure Dorow has proven convincingly that she can't coach at this level.
Quote from: M on December 31, 2016, 12:37:34 PMRegardless, the women's program is in shambles and she probably is at the end of her rope.
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 31, 2016, 03:30:02 PMstory, but with all that is available at Valpo, why should we expect mediocrity?
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 01, 2017, 01:19:05 PMThe can't coach part is pretty obvious.
Quote from: jack on January 02, 2017, 06:27:09 PMThe weakest link is the coaching.
Quote from: justducky on December 31, 2016, 12:00:34 PMWhat took you so long?
I believe we have finally arrived at a consensus. How long will the pain continue?
If she gives out snacks/treats after games and participation trophies at the end of the season, does this help her keep her job with the parents that want their precious stars coddled?
She may be a good person and a good Christian, but that does not imply that she has qualities to be a good coach.
It will be interesting to eee what if any actions Valpo will take.
We just lost to Oakland by 41 points. Three and a half years ago the Oakland team was decimated by a scandal. Somehow, Oakland has been able to right their ship.
Add a 75-36 loss to UWGB at home tonight.
Highlights on GB television showed the Phoenix raining threes from all over and as far out as Portage.
I know Green Bay is good but that score is unacceptable
Article from the Appleton Post
Green Bay women roll past Valparaiso
USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin wire services 11:03 p.m. CT Jan. 5, 2017
VALPARAISO, Ind. - There are times during the basketball season when the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay women simply overwhelm their opponent.
This was one of those times.
UWGB crushed Valparaiso 75-36 on Thursday night in a game played at the Athletics-Recreation Center, winning its fourth-consecutive game since being upset by Wisconsin last month.
It was the second-most points scored by the Phoenix this season behind the 78 it put up in a win against Marquette. It also was the third time in the past four games that it has held an opponent to 39 or fewer points. Everything about this night was dominated by UWGB. It outrebounded the Crusaders 42-28 and outscored them in the paint 34-6. It forced 26 turnovers and scored 31 points off them.
Senior forward Mehryn Kraker led the way again, scoring a game-high 22 points. When she went to the bench with 3 minutes, 5 seconds remaining in the third quarter, she had scored more points than Valparaiso (20) had at the time.
The Crusaders actually led 5-4 in the opening minutes. But by the middle of the second quarter, after UWGB held them without a field goal for almost 14 minutes, the Phoenix was up 27-6 with 5 minutes, 15 seconds left in the half. It led 40-15 at intermission and then scored 11 of the first 13 points of the second half. UWGB was up as much as 42 points in its most lopsided win of the season.
Phoenix freshman forward Madison Wolf finished with a career-high 10 points, shooting 5-for-7 in 14 minutes. All her points came on layups in the final 4:33 as the former Sheboygan North star hit UWGB's final five shots. Former Kimberly standout Frankie Wurtz had eight points and five rebounds in 16 minutes of action for UWGB.
Obviously the emphasis/bold is mine.
and, our best player, Dani Franklin, was held to 5 points. :(
Someone needs to tell this staff that Hamlet is not a PG. She a wing shooter, making her handle the ball is not going to work as shown by the 8 TO's.
Brilliantly last night we decided to take our 6-4 center outside the three point line.
Someone needs to tell the coaching staff to have Hales take open 8-10 foot shots rather than fly into the lane for a contested shot as shown by the 0-6 last night.
Do our assistant coaches do anything during the game? The number of times I saw them talk to a player coming off the floor was one. How about a little instruction?
And poor Maya Meridith misses three more shots and is now 1-24 for the season.
The TV coverage up here in NE WI (Green Bay area) tells us a lot too. There were film/tape clips of the action, of course. Obviously those were UWGB highlights (apparently there weren't any Valpo ones, anyway).
But that is not my point. My point is that the GB sportscaster could not help being condescending and laughingly throwing in some derisive remarks about the Valpo effort and play. We supposedly recruit the northern midwest and compete for the same players. Performances like the last two nights present images to potential recruits that hurt us significantly. Is it any wonder that we haven't been able to dig ourselves out of the hole that we are actually digging deeper each season.
In my mind, less talented teams can still win games if they play from a foundation of....
:twocents: The five players on the floor, regardless of who they are, play with intensity for 40 minutes.
:twocents: They challenge every shot (most of GB's 3s were wide open if you go by the clips), fight for every loose ball.
:twocents: Tough defense is the team mantra.
:twocents: Rebounding and blocking out are highly prized and rewarded
:twocents: Reliance on solid basic basketball fundamentals
:twocents: Good shot selection
:twocents: Ball security
The 5 players exhibiting all or most of these characteristics see the most minutes.
Then, after establishing this foundation and culture (and only after that) do schemes, plays and in-game coaching adjustments come into the picture.
Is that the Valpo WBB way?
Like i said, just my :twocents:
Same story. Different year. This coaching staff has come and gone, with the only constant being the head coach. Her philosophy does not work. Every point you make is valid, and has not changed since Dorow arrived. We weren't expected to beat Green Bay. We were expected to put up a fight, and start the game with 5 players that gave us the best chance to compete. Our bench scored 1/2 of our points. To me, the Oakland loss was much worse. Don't even know where to start with this one. Our coaching staff is lost when it comes to hammering down the fundamentals. Many of these players play a different roll then they did in HS. That's typical of most college players. Our coaches don't know how to coach or teach players another roll. I don't know if Hamlet was a PG in HS, but she doesn't have the skill set to be one in D1. To be honest, I haven't seen a true PG on this team for a few years now. They recruit players to fill rolls they really aren't capable of filling.
I don't see an improvement in WBB at Valpo until the AD pulls the trigger and decides to rebuild from the top down. As mentioned, with most teams, the assistants teach and coach during time outs. Doesn't happen here. Is it because the climate isn't designed for that? I don't know. I do know that, for years I've watch us come out after being down at the half (as usual) with no adjustment plan in place, only to lose more ground by games' end. Not acceptable.
#firedorow
This humiliation has to to be put to an end!
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 01, 2017, 01:19:05 PM
The only opening is a dump into Lindfors who has developed a decent post move. She should be shooting 10-12 times rather than 4-5.
Up 44-38 at half. Someone is listening. Lindfors has taken 9 shots at half.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2017, 08:38:55 AM
Someone needs to tell this staff that Hamlet is not a PG. She a wing shooter, making her handle the ball is not going to work as shown by the 8
Someone is listing part 2 Hamlet is on the wing....11 points at half.
Much better effort all around. I actually saw an assistant coach coaching a sub. Hales took some outside shots rather than drive each time.
Unfortunately Lindfors only got three shots in the second half and we turned it over late. Still much better.
Certainly a better outing. We beat them in almost every category but 2. Fouls, and free throws. We played more aggressive which we need to. Tough loss on our home court. Let's hope we build on this for Thursday. We will need the same effort.
Are Profitt and Stoller still with the team? If so where are they?
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/16019/dorow-to-undergo-neck-surgery/#.WHPTM2czW2w
It will be interesting to see how/if the way the team plays will change with Reese in there.
21% from the line in tonight's loss. I didn't bother to look up the actual fta/ftm.
We seem to be getting more creative in ways to lose a game. 3 -14 from the charity stripe? This could possibly be the first time in school history where we shot a better percentage (23%) from the 3, then we did from the FT line. (21%). It looks like these ladies have lost all confidence in their game, and the coaching staff.
Home tonight vs. Northern Ky. This one we should win.....
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 20, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
Home tonight vs. Northern Ky. This one we should win.....
According to Massey, we are only favored in one remaining game - UIC at home at end of season.
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8361&s=292155
Hopefully, you are correct and we are on our way to winning four HL games this season!
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 20, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
Home tonight vs. Northern Ky. This one we should win.....
Well, maybe not....
So now we are in second last place with 11 games to go (assuming a first round loss) and a record of 5-12. We will finish with the fifth year in a row with a losing record and two of the five with 6 wins. Keith Freeman was fired for having a losing record for three years in a row after having winning records 13 out of 18 years at the helm and two NCAA appearances and a WNIT post season birth. Oh, he never had a season with only 6 wins.
Nuff said...
Anybody sticking around after the UIC game to watch the girls vs WSU? If I do I think it will be under a paper bag so that I don't get identified with lost causes. And I can cry :'( without it being a public spectacle!
In watching these games, you can tell that most of our players are probably D-2 athletes. I have finally come around, and believe that we need a new direction. Everyone is a step slow for this level. I went to just about every women's game while I was in school, and players like Jeanette Gray, Betsy Rietema, Jenna Stangler, Suzie Hammel, Kathryn Knoester, Jamie Gutowski, Katie Boone, Meredith Baugher, etc, would run us out of the gym. Those players consistently kept up the pace against any team we played, and were able to avoid 10 turnovers/game. It seems like it is commonplace to have 15-20+ turnovers every game now.
No Words.
Truly embarrassing.
Great line by our announcing crew........after hamlet had double dribbled, the play by play guy said you don't see that at this level (it is at least the 3rd time I have seen it for us). The color commentator said the silver lining was at least they didn't get a fast break.
You have to love our attempt to run a 3 man weave when we have no one capable of running it.
Note to coaching staff Schaub can't take the ball out underneath the basket. Guard her and she can't see anything. Hasn't worked for 20 games....
This team can turn the ball over with the best of em. What's the story with Dorrow? When did she decide to start sitting at the scorer's table and not on the bench? ??? ???
This is a team with student athletes getting $45000 scholarships? You gotta do better than this!
Quote from: Vinny on January 22, 2017, 07:31:38 PM
This team can turn the ball over with the best of em. What's the story with Dorrow? When did she decide to start sitting at the scorer's table and not on the bench? ??? ???
Neck surgery
Attendance for Sunday's loss to Wright State listed as 511. Anyone there who could verify the accuracy?
At least Keith Freeman was in the house, I'm assuming.
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 23, 2017, 09:56:18 AMAt least Keith Freeman was in the house, I'm assuming.
Yup, he was there... chatted with him briefly between the games. Not happy with the HL schedulers. The 5pm tip in Valpo puts them back home at 2am eastern time.
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 23, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
Attendance for Sunday's loss to Wright State listed as 511. Anyone there who could verify the accuracy?
At least Keith Freeman was in the house, I'm assuming.
My guess would be from 200 to 300 in attendence. Keith Freeman has got to wonder what has happened to him. He got let go at Valpo 5 years ago and the program is worse than when he left. The guy he worked with at WSU gets hired at New Mexico and he doesn't get asked to go with him to Albuquerque. They hire the assistant who has been at Wright State longer, now head coach Katrina Merriweather, but she has only been there two years longer. Merriweather got there in 2010, Keith got there in 2012. During the timeouts it looks like Keith is much more involved in deciding what is communicated during those timeouts.
OK this one may be the one to break the losing streak. 5-15 Valpo vs. 3-17 UIC. Will we try a new lineup on stay with the tried and true one. Seems like time to start Thompson. She has given a consistent effort the last 5 games or so....
Wishful thinking, right? Not sure how you dominate on the offensive boards and lose by 14. Actually, I am. We shot 28%. I'm beginning to believe we may not see another W this season.
Really sad - bottom 10% in the sagarin. This team is very Carlsonesque. A team where student athletes are getting $45000 scholarships with pathetic results. This is unacceptable and requires resolution.
IMO, the program has fallen into a very dangerous state: indifference. It wasn't that long ago that Betsy Reitema, Jamie Gutowski, and others made Valpo women's basketball something to talk about, something to be proud of. The absolutely pathetic and embarrassing product on display right now should have us alums disgusted. However - no one cares. This horsehockey operation which has only gotten worse as the season has gone on will only continue on until Dorrows' contract is up. What a disservice to those trying especially Franklin. Then again, no one cares enough for the problem to be fixed obviously. Total trainwreck.
Quote from: Vinny on January 29, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
IMO, the program has fallen into a very dangerous state: indifference. It wasn't that long ago that Betsy Reitema, Jamie Gutowski, and others made Valpo women's basketball something to talk about, something to be proud of. The absolutely pathetic and embarrassing product on display right now should have us alums disgusted. However - no one cares. This horsehockey operation which has only gotten worse as the season has gone on will only continue on until Dorrows' contract is up. What a disservice to those trying especially Franklin. Then again, no one cares enough for the problem to be fixed obviously. Total trainwreck.
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I don't think Mark LaBarbera doesn't care. I'm sure he is watching--carefully. He is a careful, caring guy. Look, he didn't let Keith Freeman go because he wanted the program to regress. I posted earlier:
We will finish with the fifth year in a row with a losing record and two of the five with 6 wins. Keith Freeman was fired for having a losing record for three years in a row after having winning records 13 out of 18 years at the helm and two NCAA appearances and a WNIT post season birth. Oh, he never had a season with only 6 wins.
I would think that if we don't get past 6 wins this year the plug may be pulled. I'm guessing however that he gives the coach one more year (after giving an extension last year) to get it turned around. At that point, injuries aside, she will have had the necessary time to bring in her players. The ones Keith left behind won 11 games for her in her first year at the helm. She hasn't gotten back to that level since.
If you at this situation more on a business perspective, the entire coaching staff would be gone as the results vs cost/energy curve is low. Valpo
Administration provides a long leash compared to most schools.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
If you at this situation more on a business perspective, the entire coaching staff would be gone as the results vs cost/energy curve is low. Valpo
Administration provides a long leash compared to most schools.
It is a gamble. You can end up with a Homer Drew or a Dale Carlson.
I guess Alec Peters' sister Anne Peters is a hell of basketball player like her brother. It would interesting to see if Valpo offered. I believe she plays for the same AAU program as Alec did. Also the same AAU program that potential Valpo recruit Taylor Bruninga plays for.
https://twitter.com/Illinois_Irish/status/826645769994240000
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2017, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
If you at this situation more on a business perspective, the entire coaching staff would be gone as the results vs cost/energy curve is low. Valpo
Administration provides a long leash compared to most schools.
It is a gamble. You can end up with a Homer Drew or a Dale Carlson.
Lest we not forget Drew's first four years at Valpo:
10-19
4-24
5-22
5-22
Unless Dorow has a top recruit for a daughter i'm going to bet she isn't the next Homer Drew.
Quote from: covufan on February 01, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2017, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
If you at this situation more on a business perspective, the entire coaching staff would be gone as the results vs cost/energy curve is low. Valpo
Administration provides a long leash compared to most schools.
It is a gamble. You can end up with a Homer Drew or a Dale Carlson.
Lest we not forget Drew's first four years at Valpo:
10-19
4-24
5-22
5-22
Lest we not forget that Valpo's men's basketball had not approached a .500 season in D1 during the Rochlitz or Smith era.
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 01, 2017, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: covufan on February 01, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2017, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
If you at this situation more on a business perspective, the entire coaching staff would be gone as the results vs cost/energy curve is low. Valpo
Administration provides a long leash compared to most schools.
It is a gamble. You can end up with a Homer Drew or a Dale Carlson.
Lest we not forget Drew's first four years at Valpo:
10-19
4-24
5-22
5-22
Lest we not forget that Valpo's men's basketball had not approached a .500 season in D1 during the Rochlitz or Smith era.
1976-77 Ken Rochlitz 13-12 (of course these were Purden's guys)
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/ken-rochlitz-1.html
I used to sit in the front row back then and only myself and best friend were court side opposite the scorers' table.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:57:31 AM1976-77 Ken Rochlitz 13-12 (of course these were Purden's guys) http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/ken-rochlitz-1.htmlI used to sit in the front row back then and only myself and best friend were court side opposite the scorers' table.
True indeed but we were not full D1 that season.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 01, 2017, 01:19:05 PMThe only opening is a dump into Lindfors who has developed a decent post move. She should be shooting 10-12 times rather than 4-5.
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 29, 2016, 06:13:14 PMDonchetz should be the starter and it isn't even close.
Two things that happened last night that help us win a conference game. Donchetz started due to another injury but we are better with her on the floor somewhere. Happy for the team to get a win.
Meredith made another basketball last night in a 1-6 shooting night she is now 4-43 and approaching 10%! More importantly she had 2 assists vs. 1 TO.
Is the box score correct that Oakland stole the ball from us 29 times?? Is that even possible?
It was 'only' 19.
Quote from: jack on February 17, 2017, 11:41:28 AM
Is the box score correct that Oakland stole the ball from us 29 times?? Is that even possible?
The box score at Valpo web site says 25 turnovers, but it seemed like a lot more in person. Oakland took the ball away from our dribblers at will. In one section of the game, I counted four steals in a row. Schaub alone had 6 turnovers in only 13 minutes of play. It was brutal to witness.
Quote from: jack on February 17, 2017, 11:41:28 AM
Is the box score correct that Oakland stole the ball from us 29 times?? Is that even possible?
Yes, unfortunately it is not only possible, it happened. When your starting point guard has 6 turnovers it can happen pretty quickly. I watched all I could stand. After every Oakland basket they would apply full court pressure and as we tried to throw the ball over the top it was interception after interception after interception...well, you get the idea. :(
I watched for about 2 minutes near the end of the game and OU stole the ball 3 times... like taking candy from a baby! It was another embarrassing loss. Having a "down year" is one thing...but this is ridiculous..It is hard to believe that we have won 5 games this year.
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 17, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
It was 'only' 19.
According to the Box Score, steals by OU were 19, which responded to Jack's simple statement that OU stole the ball 29 times. Turnovers by VU were 25 (which I assume includes the ball being stolen 19 times). Regardless those are incredible numbers.
Hey - at least the excessive number of turnovers revived this thread after about two weeks of silence.
But guess what? If you go to Motor City Madness, you can watch the women play too!
I disagreed with the decision to bring back Dorow in the only real way I can. For the first time in the 20 combined years i've lived in the Region, I did not go to a single women's game. If we bring in a new coach, record aside I will attend my usual amount (7-10)
http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/high_school/basketball/konieczny-receives-ibca-award/article_d2dd30ee-f36d-11e6-a74f-03aff8734294.html
Here is next year's point guard. She leads South Bend St Joe vs. traditional power Heritage Christian in the semi-state on Saturday in Crown Point.
Additionally, Katie Collignon who left as an assistant for the AD/Women's Basketball coach at Michigan City Marquette has the Blazers in the Semi-State as well with a group
headed by sophomores. Look for MCC to dominate 1A for the next 3 years.
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http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/high_school/basketball/konieczny-receives-ibca-award/article_d2dd30ee-f36d-11e6-a74f-03aff8734294.html
a group
headed by sophomores.
Yes, most of whom should be playing for Valpo High School.
Pretty confident you can blame the previous head coach for recruiting those girls to Marquette.
Good win over Detroit. I basically only saw the last 14 seconds. Up two, we miss 2 free throws. Detroit sets up a nice play to tie with 6.1. We immediately throw it in to Donchetz who for some reason was just holding the ball under Detroits basket when they fouled her for no reason. 2 made free throws...we win.
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 18, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Good win over Detroit. I basically only saw the last 14 seconds. Up to we miss 2 free throws. Detroit sets up a nice play to tie with 6.1. We immediately throw it in to Donchetz who for some reason was just holding the ball under Detroits basket when they fouled her for no reason. 2 made free throws...we win.
Detroit was sitting in third place at 10-4. Great win and could be a job saver! How 8-6 Oakland takes us apart by 28 two days earlier is a head scratcher. :crazy:
Quote from: vu72 on February 18, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Detroit was sitting in third place at 10-4. Great win and could be a job saver! How 8-6 Oakland takes us apart by 28 two days earlier is a head scratcher. :crazy:
This is the scary part, last year after losing 9 in row we won our last game and first game of the conference tourney and it was deemed progress. This year we are going to win basically the same number of games as last year but we will probably win 3 of our last 5. Progress? My opinion no but I have a feeling the AD will.
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Quote from: vu72 on February 18, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Detroit was sitting in third place at 10-4. Great win and could be a job saver! How 8-6 Oakland takes us apart by 28 two days earlier is a head scratcher. :crazy:
This is the scary part, last year after losing 9 in row we won our last game and first game of the conference tourney and it was deemed progress. This year we are going to win basically the same number of games as last year but we will probably win 3 of our last 5. Progress? My opinion no but I have a feeling the AD will.
I agree with IndyValpo. I did not see any progress with the women's team this season and find it difficult to see what the AD sees in the coach to continue her stint at Valpo. I think since she has a two year deal she will finish out next season but if there is no progress again the coach is the one who needs replaced. I'm sure it's tough for ML to have to let "good" people go but we lose so much when our teams are not competitive.
Every season it seems to be another excuse. First it was, they are playing with Freeman's recruits. In my opinion, most of them were better than the players this staff has brought on board. We haven't had a true point guard since Freeman's recruits moved on. 19 steals the other night is proof of that. Basically, they keep bringing in #2 guards. Then, it's the injuries. Every team has them, and work through them. If memory serves, in one of Freeman's last seasons here, he was playing with 6 healthy players, and a couple of times he had 5. he still managed to win 10 games.
Our lack of success greatly affects our recruiting ability. It also wears on the team, players, and fans. Our coach has had seasons with decent, healthy players and has never matched our potential. To me, it's a flawed philosophy and coaching ability. Regardless of how things end, it's time for a change. The AD owes it to school, players and fans to put this team in the best position to win. Another season of the same won't get it done.
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 19, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 18, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Detroit was sitting in third place at 10-4. Great win and could be a job saver! How 8-6 Oakland takes us apart by 28 two days earlier is a head scratcher. :crazy:
This is the scary part, last year after losing 9 in row we won our last game and first game of the conference tourney and it was deemed progress. This year we are going to win basically the same number of games as last year but we will probably win 3 of our last 5. Progress? My opinion no but I have a feeling the AD will.
As I predicted we win 3 of the last 5 then beat #8 YSU to open the tourney and finish with 10 wins. And we out scored GB by 10 in the 4th Q today (therefore only losing by 29). Will we have a coaching change? If so it should happen soon...
This result is unacceptable. The coach needs to be canned the program needs a fresh plate. These student athletes get $45000 scholarships every year and they cannot recruit? Seriosuly, this is a no brainer. We need to win. It should not be this difficult.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
This result is unacceptable. The coach needs to be canned the program needs a fresh plate. These student athletes get $45000 scholarships every year and they cannot recruit? Seriosuly, this is a no brainer. We need to win. It should not be this difficult.
Is that the real face value of a VU athletic scholar?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 04, 2017, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
This result is unacceptable. The coach needs to be canned the program needs a fresh plate. These student athletes get $45000 scholarships every year and they cannot recruit? Seriosuly, this is a no brainer. We need to win. It should not be this difficult.
Is that the real face value of a VU athletic scholar?
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I would assume so. Basketball and Volleyball are the only true "full ride" scholarships. All other sports are partial. So, if you are getting a full ride, I would think that that covers the sticker price, currently $46,680.
If that were the case, than every single program at every single school should have a winning program. Just because you have a full ride, doesn't mean that you guarantee success. For people that get academic scholarships, do they only make straight A's? Come on, man :).
It will be a tough decision to make. We lose 2 Seniors after this season, and both were not key players. If everyone comes back and we have a coaching change, any success next season will be because of Dorow's recruiting progress with these FR and SOs.
Green Bay is a top 25 program every year in Women's Basketball. The difference between those programs and the rest of NCAA Women's Basketball is huge. These types of scores are very common with the haves and have nots.
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Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 04, 2017, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
This result is unacceptable. The coach needs to be canned the program needs a fresh plate. These student athletes get $45000 scholarships every year and they cannot recruit? Seriosuly, this is a no brainer. We need to win. It should not be this difficult.
Is that the real face value of a VU athletic scholar?
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It was $26,000 in the early 2000s. Inflation calculator says the days money would be $36,279. So still a $10,000 increase in today's money.
I would assume so. Basketball and Volleyball are the only true "full ride" scholarships. All other sports are partial. So, if you are getting a full ride, I would think that that covers the sticker price, currently $46,680.
tx, I disagree, if you have a Mercedes at $45K, should it beat a Sonata at $24K in a test drive? I think so. 10-21 is unacceptable and they have played poorly the past 3 years. We are not getting the results for the investment and the situation looks like a mess.
"For people that get academic scholarships, do they only make straight A's? " Of course not, but they should not be getting D's and F's.
My whole point is that just about every D-1 basketball program gives out full rides to each student-athlete. The majority of those schools fail on a yearly basis. YSU gives out full rides to their Men's Basketball players, yet they are routinely at the bottom of the league. Have those student-athletes failed the school, or was it just that other schools recruit the players they would like to have, but who don't want to go to a school such as YSU? There are only so many top D-1 Women's Basketball players to go around, and the rest are just usually 'good enough' for D-1, but so far beyond the top players, that it is laughable when they play against the better schools. This doesn't happen in the Men's games as it does with the Women's. You often see UConn beating teams by 60 that are in the same conference in the Women's game, which you wouldn't see Duke or UNC do against the rest of the ACC in Men's games.
Tx, you may want to revise that YSU statement.... 8-)
Bottom line: we are no closer to being a viable, competitive mid major women's program than we were when Dorow was hired. Time to move on.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 04, 2017, 06:52:37 PM
Bottom line: we are no closer to being a viable, competitive mid major women's program than we were when Dorow was hired. Time to move on.
Bingo!!
So is it sufficient to stay bad just because college hoops needs crappy teams? I would hope to expect more.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2017, 07:18:09 PM
So is it sufficient to stay bad just because college hoops needs crappy teams? I would hope to expect more.
That's not what I am saying. I was just pointing out that just because a school gives you a full ride, doesn't mean that it should guarantee success. I am sure that the SWAC gives full rides to their basketball players, and they have no chance of being successful in basketball.
At $45000 a pop, I expect a team that would at least stay competitive with Green Bay
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2017, 07:54:23 PM
At $45000 a pop, I expect a team that would at least stay competitive with Green Bay
No matter how many times you post this it is still dumb. How does the amount of a scholarship have anything to do with it.
Please explain why this is done. We spend more money for poor performance than other schools. Why does this program continue not to meet expectations?
A scholarship is the cost of going to the school. Some schools are more expensive. It doesn't mean some schools pay more for players. If you look at Harvard and they give out a scholarship that would be huge bucks but their players would not necessarily be so much better than a power 5 school. The amount of money for our scholarships has nothing to do with the quality of our players.
Harvard does not give athletic scholarships.They are primarily based on scholarship and need
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2017, 10:54:17 PMHarvard does not give athletic scholarships.They are primarily based on scholarship and need
I know they don't. I was just giving that as a reference of the difference in the costs between schools. If they did their dollar amount would be so much more than VU.
all I am saying is that the results vs. investment for this team is inadequate and restructuring is required.
Thought it appropriate to mention at this point in the debate that Kevin Borseth scours the whole country and recruits WBB hotbeds to find the talent necessary to maintain the high standards that UWGB has been accustomed to. Because we all agree that at the college level it's not so much coaching as it is recruiting. Just check out the 2016 roster for yourselves. His recruiting budget must be through the roof.
1 Jen Wellnitz G 5-8 RSo. South Wayne, Wis. (Black Hawk)
3 Frankie Wurtz G 5-8 RFr. Kimberly, Wis. (Kimberly)
4 Caitlyn Hibner G 6-0 Fr. Portage, Wis. (Portage)
5 Laken James G 5-9 RSo. Oconto, Wis. (Oconto)
10 Mehryn Kraker F 6-0 RGr. West Allis, Wis. (West Allis Central)
14 Meghan Pingel G 5-8 Fr. Sun Prairie, Wis. (Lakeside Lutheran)
21 Jessica Lindstrom G/F 6-1 Jr. Superior, Wis. (Superior)
24 Allie LeClaire G 5-10 Jr. Green Bay, Wis. (Notre Dame Academy)
32 Karly Murphy F 6-1 Fr. River Falls, Wis. (River Falls)
33 Lexi Weitzer C 6-3 Sr. Waukesha, Wis. (Waukesha South)
42 Mackenzie Wolf F/C 6-4 RFr. Kohler, Wis. (Sheboygan North)
44 Anna Dier F 6-0 Fr. Algoma, Wis. (Algoma)
52 Madison Wolf F/C 6-3 RFr. Kohler, Wis. (Sheboygan North)
55 Sam Terry G/F 6-0 Sr. Baraboo, Wis. (Baraboo)
:o
Really only 5 maybe 6 wins ....cant or shouldnt count wins against iu kokomo etc
I just have the feeling we'll claim progress and give Dorow the last year of her contract because we're too cheap to buy her out. I just can't see how anyone would look at us as improving. Results are not acceptable and decision should be made accordingly.
In general the Valpo administration is too conservative in making decisions and possibly "too nice". It took 4 years to get rid of Osteen where it should have been no more than 3.
I don't feel the main issue has been talent level. Granted, we don't draw the talent GB does. When you have their success, it's easy to attract top talent. In Dorow's time here, we have never played to the talent we have. I've said for years now I believe it's the philosophy and not so much the talent. With the talent we had this season, we should have had 16 or 17 wins. I would have considered that improvement and would have liked to have seen what was in store with this staff next year.
Many players coming into play ball at the college level are asked to play a different roll than they did in high school. It takes a good staff to work and prepare these players for their needed roll on the team. This staff has never been very good at that. Too many of the early games showed just how lost and out of place many of the younger players were. There seems to be a disconnect between how we recruit, and what we need and expect.
I still think we are lacking the coaching knowledge to work with our bigs. Our footwork and positioning inside on defense is horrible. It has been for several years.
In all, I just don't see us getting over the hump with the staff we have in place.
After one season as an assistant John Motherwell has left to become the head coach at D3 Finlandia University in the UP of Michigan. After 18 years as an assistant this is his first college head coaching job! As assistants tend to do he has bounced around with 9 different schools.
Anyone know where Finlandia U is located? The Upper Peninsula of Michigan!!! :o It gets freaking COLD up there.
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 07, 2017, 09:21:05 AM
After one season as an assistant John Motherwell has left to become the head coach at D3 Finlandia University in the UP of Michigan. After 18 years as an assistant this is his first college head coaching job! As assistants tend to do he has bounced around with 9 different schools.
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Probably a better fit for him. D2 or D3 might be a better fit for this entire coaching staff.
Quote from: jack on March 08, 2017, 07:40:53 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 07, 2017, 09:21:05 AM
After one season as an assistant John Motherwell has left to become the head coach at D3 Finlandia University in the UP of Michigan. After 18 years as an assistant this is his first college head coaching job! As assistants tend to do he has bounced around with 9 different schools.
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Probably a better fit for him. D2 or D3 might be a better fit for this entire coaching staff.
After 18 years as a college assistant, good for him to take a head coaching job. He was on Minnesota's staff before here came to Valpo, a change I never quite understood.
Really go thru a lot of assistants on this team
Seems every year people are leaving...except the HC
Hard to acquire continuity
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Quote from: jack on March 08, 2017, 07:40:53 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 07, 2017, 09:21:05 AM
After one season as an assistant John Motherwell has left to become the head coach at D3 Finlandia University in the UP of Michigan. After 18 years as an assistant this is his first college head coaching job! As assistants tend to do he has bounced around with 9 different schools.
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Probably a better fit for him. D2 or D3 might be a better fit for this entire coaching staff.
After 18 years as a college assistant, good for him to take a head coaching job. He was on Minnesota's staff before here came to Valpo, a change I never quite understood.
My thought was that Motherwell came to Valpo to see if he could become the head coach if those in the athletics dept decided a change was in order. It happened for Chris Holtmann at Butler when it was determined that the former younger coach couldn't handle the job. I assume Motherwell determined a change wasn't in the cards and took the head coaching job he was offered.
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 17, 2017, 02:07:01 PM
http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/high_school/basketball/konieczny-receives-ibca-award/article_d2dd30ee-f36d-11e6-a74f-03aff8734294.html
Here is next year's point guard. She leads South Bend St Joe vs. traditional power Heritage Christian in the semi-state on Saturday in Crown Point.
St Joe won the state and this week Nicole made the Indiana All-Stars for the annual wins against Kentucky. Our first on the women's side since Mallory Ladd in 2011. Hopefully this one works out better!
Mid major basketball is going to experience coaching changes but as others have said this seems to be a trend. Can't be easy for these young women to be coached by so many different people in their 4 years. If Dorrow is still around for next season, it's a safe bet that it will be a brand new cast the year after. Very difficult to succeed in such a position.
Quote from: Vinny on March 09, 2017, 02:41:16 PMMid major basketball is going to experience coaching changes but as others have said this seems to be a trend. Can't be easy for these young women to be coached by so many different people in their 4 years. If Dorrow is still around for next season, it's a safe bet that it will be a brand new cast the year after. Very difficult to succeed in such a position.
I do not want this to be interpreted in the Donald Trump use context but it is time to "drain the swamp". That means clean house and start over. Whatever we have been trying to do has clearly been a failure.
Not sure the university cares if teams other than mens basketball wins or loses
Maybe football but the others i doubt
they should care - just alone for scholarships over $500K is spent annually and it is not a revenue making sport. Thus, a level of success is expected.
As for football, success is not a priority at the university, but revenue is a priority. Hopefully this will change this year with Coach C. As long as players pay their way to play and keeps the enrollment up, Valpo football is a lean mean money raising machine.
Quote from: VU2003 on March 10, 2017, 07:31:16 AM
Not sure the university cares if teams other than mens basketball wins or loses
Maybe football but the others i doubt
That would defy logic. success puts butts in the bleachers which generates revenue and additional concession sales. If success in all sports isn't a goal, then maybe the problem lies with the AD.
Not sure where the statement that the University doesn't care about winning other sports comes from. The baseball and softball teams have been to the NCAAs recently, the VB team is an annual challenger to winning the conference and tourney, the soccer teams have had recent success, the bowling team is nationally ranked, tennis was to the NCAAs and t&f has had some great individual contributors. Womens basketball needs to be examined as to what direction it should go, and those discussions occur. But a lack of caring about winning is not an issue with this Sports Administration. Sometimes there are blanket statements on this Board that defy logic and facts.
Quote from: jack on March 10, 2017, 11:59:06 AM
Quote from: VU2003 on March 10, 2017, 07:31:16 AM
Not sure the university cares if teams other than mens basketball wins or loses
Maybe football but the others i doubt
That would defy logic. success puts butts in the bleachers which generates revenue and additional concession sales. If success in all sports isn't a goal, then maybe the problem lies with the AD.
Don't think the record agrees with lack of success in other sports. Swimming is no doubt a write-off with the existing facilities, but other sports(other then Men's basketball) have faired pretty well over the last five years. Men's golf, men's tennis, baseball, softball, women's soccer and bowling have all been to the NCAAs in that time frame. Volleyball has yet to make the tourney but has had 20 win seasons for many years as only a few other schools can say. Even track, now that the facilities have been completed, have shown better Horizon League results.
So the lack of success, in revenue sports (those that charge admission to games), really lies at the office door of Tracy Dorow. With the recruiting class coming in (including an Indiana AllStar) and the returning players, hopefully respectability will return shortly.
Rumor has it that Karissa McLaughlin of Homestead High School is reopening her recruitment after Florida fired their head coach. You could build a program around her so I hope we just aren't thinking that she is too good for us.
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Quote from: VU2003 on March 10, 2017, 07:31:16 AM
Not sure the university cares if teams other than mens basketball wins or loses
Maybe football but the others i doubt
Quote from: valpo84 on March 10, 2017, 12:46:03 PMSometimes there are blanket statements on this Board that defy logic and facts.
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Quote from: FWalum on March 10, 2017, 05:32:15 PMRumor has it that Karissa McLaughlin of Homestead High School is reopening her recruitment after Florida fired their head coach. You could build a program around her so I hope we just aren't thinking that she is too good for us.
Agreed, unfortunately we currently sit at zero open spots so unless someone is leaving we are stuck. Any rumors? Seems likely the coaching staff has survived at this point.
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 14, 2017, 01:54:58 PMSeems likely the coaching staff has survived at this point.
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Quote from: VULB#62 on March 07, 2017, 09:56:49 AM
Anyone know where Finlandia U is located? The Upper Peninsula of Michigan!!! :o It gets freaking COLD up there.
I just looked this up. It is in Hancock, MI which is the the northern most city in the UP. Amazingly they play baseball and softball. The women's basketball had an interesting year, their coach was fired in mid year and 6 players left during the year. They won 8 games.
Interestingly they just joined a new D3 conference with 6 other former independents, located in NY, ME, PA and MA.
As I flip through channels and recover from surgery, I watch the first half of the UConn Oregon game for the final four and observe the normal blowout score. UConn is certainly a phenomenal women's' basketball program - about 110 consecuative wins? That is quite the feat of course. But why is it and is it good for women's basketball? I do not know.
Is it because UConn gets every top high school All American? Is their talent that much better than the rest? Is the rest of college basketball that far behind from UConn? Is Geno Auriemma that outstanding a coach compared to the rest? Does Auriemma not treat his team as snowflakes compared to other schools?
Also, is UConn's dominance good for women's basketball? Except for UConn who basically played a home game, attendance at the regionals have been around 2500 to 3000. ouch.
Here's my theory that I've always put out there.
The answer to all of your questions is yes. The biggest reason there is such a gap because of simple math - there aren't as many girls who play/excel in basketball as there are boys.
If five boys grow up playing in the driveway and going to the Y's and Boys Clubs to play, there's maybe only one girl.
The pool of elite players is just not as large, and he gets whoever he wants. I also think he's an outstanding coach and would love to see if he could do the same thing coaching a men's team.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 28, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Here's my theory that I've always put out there.
The answer to all of your questions is yes. The biggest reason there is such a gap because of simple math - there aren't as many girls who play/excel in basketball as there are boys.
If five boys grow up playing in the driveway and going to the Y's and Boys Clubs to play, there's maybe only one girl.
The pool of elite players is just not as large, and he gets whoever he wants. I also think he's an outstanding coach and would love to see if he could do the same thing coaching a men's team.
Not just a smaller talent pool, but 15 women's scholarships vs 13 men's. That further concentrates the talent pool at the top. For the sake of argument, imagine how good Valpo would be if we had Connecticut's 2 worst players on our roster.
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Quote from: Valpo89 on March 28, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Here's my theory that I've always put out there.
The answer to all of your questions is yes. The biggest reason there is such a gap because of simple math - there aren't as many girls who play/excel in basketball as there are boys.
If five boys grow up playing in the driveway and going to the Y's and Boys Clubs to play, there's maybe only one girl.
The pool of elite players is just not as large, and he gets whoever he wants. I also think he's an outstanding coach and would love to see if he could do the same thing coaching a men's team.
I'd add that Geno has the state of Connecticut so strongly behind him and that gives him enormous resources compared to other NCAA WBB programs. The campus at Stores is beautiful and despite being D-I in all respects in most sports (remember UCONN won the MBB championsip a couple of times too) it projects an intimate, family-friendly almost D-III atmosphere that appeals to many top female recruits. The people of that state have been incredibly supportive of women's basketball long before it was as popular as it is today and have supported equal funding and equal facilities for a long, long time. Even the best of the rest (e.g., Stanford, Baylor, UND) are still stuck behind MBB and FB in the pecking order of collegite sports on their campus. That' not the case at UCONN. Of course, Geno's great success over time has a lot to do with that.
thus the interest and importance of WBB in Connecticut is significantly higher than anywhere else in the US and in reality the popularity of WBB is not as strong as how the hype the NCAA and ESPN provides.
In you do not consider the UConn - Oregon game which drew 8900 in Bridgeport, CT (a home game), the average WBB regional final attendance was 2900. On the contrary For MBB, people are buying scalped tickets at least in a the 3 figure dollar range. This is an issue that needs to be addressed.
FW Homestead Player of the Year, Karissa Mclaughlin, who re-opened her recruitment after the Florida women's coach was fired, may still end up a Gator. Their new coach, is from FW. He just left Belmont to take the Florida job.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/855415211062431744
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Sat next to her and her family at a couple of games this year, and she appeared even bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Amber. Should be a good addition to the team and with Amber provide a solid inside game. Perhaps the next couple of years we could see Amber-Nicole and Derrik-Jaume develop into great tandems.
Getting solid bigs in the Women's game is huge. With Marlous and then Tamra Braun, we dominated the inside. Hopefully Amber and Nicole can do the same.
Valpotx, don't forget Marlous had Amber Schober to work against in practice, and that trickled down to Tamra going against Jenna in drills.
Quote from: crusader05 on April 21, 2017, 08:39:59 AM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/855415211062431744
Since we were at 15 scholarships prior to this someone is leaving or has been "creaned". Any idea who?
My guess would be Schofield. After a couple seasons she hasn't developed into the pivotal player that the coaching staff made it seem like she would be when she signed. Then again who knows. The fact this staff is still around tells me plenty about how much of a priority WBB is to the school. :crazy:
Found this interesting when looking at the Valpo Life article on the signing of Nicole Johanson.
QuoteJohanson Signs with Valpo Women's Basketball
The Valparaiso University women's basketball program has announced its newest addition as 6-foot-5 forward Nicole Johanson has signed to join the team for the 2017-18 season.
Johanson enjoyed a strong senior season at Herscher High School in Herscher, Ill., earning all-tournament recognition for all three of the team's tournaments (Thanksgiving, Christmas and conference) on her way to achieving all-area and all-conference recognition.
"She has a strong desire to use her size to the best of her ability and to her advantage," Valpo head coach Tracey Dorow said. "She recognizes what she can bring to our basketball program as a student and as an athlete. She has good hands and she can score. She sees that the potential is really limitless for her.".......
Example Sports AAU coach Barry Bradford said Johanson epitomizes the word "potential" as a young senior who has the framework to become a quality collegiate basketball player at Valpo.
"Nicole is a skilled kid who can stretch the floor," Bradford said. "She scores at the rim with both hands. She can stretch defenses and catch and shoot the ball. She has a really high basketball IQ. Nicole is a team-first person with an incredible work ethic."
Bradford is the father of Valpo men's basketball player Micah Bradford.
"I think the environment is right for Nicole," Bradford said. "When she asked me about it, I told her we love Valpo. The Bradford family loves the opportunity that it has given our son to grow in more ways than just as a basketball player. We were able to tell her that without a doubt Valpo is a great place."
Johanson was named the Most Valuable Player of an intense alumni game that her AAU program played against college players who have gone through the program.
"Judging by the level of talent that she played against that are already experienced Division I players, being the MVP of that game shows she can really compete at that level," Bradford said.
Really great to hear this statement coming from a player's parent; "The Bradford family loves the opportunity that it has given our son to grow in more ways than just as a basketball player" echoing the words of O.P. Kretzman.
Quote"We have something to offer you which you can find nowhere else. Others may try to make men scientific; we must do that-and make them wise. Others may give men knowledge; we must give them that-and understanding. Others may try to make men useful; we must do that-and we must make them noble. We are not asking you to come to an ivory tower to escape from the realities of life or to a market-place where the voices and minds of men are confused by the immediate and material things of life. We are able to give you the fellowship of men and women whose respect for Truth is not vitiated by doubts concerning its reality and permanence. We are able to offer you a school which recognizes the supreme dignity and worth of the individual human being. We are committed to the principle that the destiny of a Christian University lies in the quality of the men and women who are graduated from its halls rather than in quantitative production. Our future lies in the development of men and women, perhaps relatively few in number, whose quality will be so high that they will exert an influence on society which cannot be measured in terms of numbers."
Quote from: FWalum on April 25, 2017, 10:08:39 AM
Found this interesting when looking at the Valpo Life article on the signing of Nicole Johanson.
QuoteJohanson Signs with Valpo Women's Basketball
The Valparaiso University women's basketball program has announced its newest addition as 6-foot-5 forward Nicole Johanson has signed to join the team for the 2017-18 season.
Johanson enjoyed a strong senior season at Herscher High School in Herscher, Ill., earning all-tournament recognition for all three of the team's tournaments (Thanksgiving, Christmas and conference) on her way to achieving all-area and all-conference recognition.
"She has a strong desire to use her size to the best of her ability and to her advantage," Valpo head coach Tracey Dorow said. "She recognizes what she can bring to our basketball program as a student and as an athlete. She has good hands and she can score. She sees that the potential is really limitless for her.".......
Example Sports AAU coach Barry Bradford said Johanson epitomizes the word "potential" as a young senior who has the framework to become a quality collegiate basketball player at Valpo.
"Nicole is a skilled kid who can stretch the floor," Bradford said. "She scores at the rim with both hands. She can stretch defenses and catch and shoot the ball. She has a really high basketball IQ. Nicole is a team-first person with an incredible work ethic."
Bradford is the father of Valpo men's basketball player Micah Bradford.
"I think the environment is right for Nicole," Bradford said. "When she asked me about it, I told her we love Valpo. The Bradford family loves the opportunity that it has given our son to grow in more ways than just as a basketball player. We were able to tell her that without a doubt Valpo is a great place."
Johanson was named the Most Valuable Player of an intense alumni game that her AAU program played against college players who have gone through the program.
"Judging by the level of talent that she played against that are already experienced Division I players, being the MVP of that game shows she can really compete at that level," Bradford said.
Really great to hear this statement coming from a player's parent; "The Bradford family loves the opportunity that it has given our son to grow in more ways than just as a basketball player" echoing the words of O.P. Kretzman. Quote"We have something to offer you which you can find nowhere else. Others may try to make men scientific; we must do that-and make them wise. Others may give men knowledge; we must give them that-and understanding. Others may try to make men useful; we must do that-and we must make them noble. We are not asking you to come to an ivory tower to escape from the realities of life or to a market-place where the voices and minds of men are confused by the immediate and material things of life. We are able to give you the fellowship of men and women whose respect for Truth is not vitiated by doubts concerning its reality and permanence. We are able to offer you a school which recognizes the supreme dignity and worth of the individual human being. We are committed to the principle that the destiny of a Christian University lies in the quality of the men and women who are graduated from its halls rather than in quantitative production. Our future lies in the development of men and women, perhaps relatively few in number, whose quality will be so high that they will exert an influence on society which cannot be measured in terms of numbers."
A simple question, why do we use quotes from Dorow? Reread her quote. She has a strong desire to use her height...wow.
I will also ask again why does WBB never gives us what a signee averaged? This girl sounds great...what did she average last year, points/rebounds
I was surprised to see that Amber Lindfors is transferring to SLU. She did have a ways to go in the coordination department, but she was decent. Anyone know why?
Quote from: valpotx on April 28, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
I was surprised to see that Amber Lindfors is transferring to SLU. She did have a ways to go in the coordination department, but she was decent. Anyone know why?
Ouch, that hurts. She could have been very effective. This makes sense of the 6-5 signing. I looked at SLU women's program. They had a very good year making the WNIT. However this was their first winning season since 02-03 the only other time in the 2000's they had winning seasons. Historically they are a train wreck like we are now.
The flagship sport at SLU (roundball) seems to have tanked on both the men' and women's sides. And they still want to stay in the A10 and continue the floggings?
I believe that they have two winning seasons in a row, as they have been to the WNIT both years.
Hopefully going into the 2017-18 season Dorow is on the hot seat. Too much is invested and the results are way below par. The coaching job is very likely a bad fit for her.
If there's one thing that shows that don't give a crap about having a winning women's basketball program the the fact that's Dorow is still our coach. My guess is we know she's not the answer but we're too cheap to buy her out.
Cheese, that is typical Valpo - cripe it took them four years until they realized Carlson was an inept head football coach. But I feel his is a make or break year for Dorow.
Wow. Did not see Ljndfors as the one leaving. Two years in a row a starter has left. Don't forget Tabitha a few years ago either.
Safe to say most here agree the problem lies at the top. How much could it really cost to buy the HC out? $250k? Or just name one of the assistants as head coach and begin the search for 2018. Sad to already write off next year, but here we are.
Before Lindfors came to Valpo she had signed with SEMO. She reopened her choices after he was fired. He was recently hired as an assistant at SLU.
So? I don't see the connection. What does that have to do with it? ;) ;) ;) ::)
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 01, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
So? I don't see the connection. What does that have to do with it? ;) ;) ;) ::)
She decides to leave and goes to a school who has the coach she had originally committed to while in HS.
Sorry, to make you waste your time. I needed to put more ;) in my post ;D
Eddie Benton Jr. hired as WBB assistant from Duquesne.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/17404/valpo-adds-benton-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/#.WRD3D1KZMo8
This has not really been touched on in the whole MVC discussion, but does anyone have any feel for how our program matches up with the WBB programs in the Valley? Are we going to be able to compete at all? Does the MVC have a team as dominate as Green Bay?
With absolutely no stats to back up my guess, I'd say no, but The Valley overall might be much tougher than the HL. Our women's program is in line for even harder times if we are invited. Benton might be the HBB in waiting.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 08, 2017, 05:56:41 PM
Eddie Benton Jr. hired as WBB assistant from Duquesne.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/17404/valpo-adds-benton-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/#.WRD3D1KZMo8
Seems like a good hire, will bring energy. I am curious why he was not at Duquense last year. Looks like he was a finalist for Vermont's head coaching job.
Dorow is clearly on the hot seat and with the potential conference move unsettled probably the last month or so, it was probably best to leave alone, solidify the recruiting class and then evaluate how we do the first year in MVC before determining her fate. With the potential move to the MVC, one would think this HC job would be a more desirable job with higher level candidates (top assistants from the big conferences) and that it should provide better recruiting opportunities for that coach.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 08, 2017, 05:56:41 PMEddie Benton Jr. hired as WBB assistant from Duquesne. http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/17404/valpo-adds-benton-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/#.WRD3D1KZMo8 (http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/17404/valpo-adds-benton-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/#.WRD3D1KZMo8)
The news of the hiring is basically irrelevant because as all of us fans have figured out - the school doesn't want to buy out Dorow's contract and so we're in for a year long exercise of kicking the can down the road. What I am curious about is why he wasn't coaching in 2016-17.
https://twitter.com/LadyLightningIL/status/877915194902458368
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 08, 2017, 05:56:41 PM
Eddie Benton Jr. hired as WBB assistant from Duquesne.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/17404/valpo-adds-benton-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/#.WRD3D1KZMo8
Well that was quick, it appears Benton has left for Cincinnati.
http://www.gobearcats.com/news/2017/7/3/talented-duo-added-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff.aspx?path=wbball
Quote from: VU2014 on June 22, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
https://twitter.com/LadyLightningIL/status/877915194902458368
More info on Ilysse...
http://basketball.dailyherald.com/sports/20170622/montinis-pitts-chooses-valpo
Quote from: IndyValpo on July 03, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 08, 2017, 05:56:41 PM
Eddie Benton Jr. hired as WBB assistant from Duquesne.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2016-17/17404/valpo-adds-benton-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/#.WRD3D1KZMo8
Well that was quick, it appears Benton has left for Cincinnati.
http://www.gobearcats.com/news/2017/7/3/talented-duo-added-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff.aspx?path=wbball
Did he even collect one pay check?
Not meaning to be judgmental, but sounds like the guy wanted more money than Valpo was going to offer, and he used Valpo as the stepping stone because it would show he coached at a D-1 program, even if he never sat on the bench for a game? Hope we find an assistant that is committed to getting this team winning regularly.
I will judge him. He accepted and started a job in May, only to leave in July. What a putz...
I agree with TX. But at the same time I can't help but wonder if he got in here and said, "What a mess." If this had happened at a place like Green Bay you'd immediately think it's the assistant and not the program. But we've turned over assistants faster than than Bryce takes off his jacket over the past few seasons. Hard to not think the program played a role.
I can't imagine a 2 month stint at a small D1 school would improve his stock any. I've got to agree with tx. It's hard to get a handle on a program until your on the inside. With the revolving door we've had, and the people still in place, it must have seemed like too daunting a task to embark on. A couple of seasons with this program on your resume, if things don't change, could hurt your stock.
Quote from: jack on July 05, 2017, 09:18:57 AM
I can't imagine a 2 month stint at a small D1 school would improve his stock any. I've got to agree with tx. It's hard to get a handle on a program until your on the inside. With the revolving door we've had, and the people still in place, it must have seemed like too daunting a task to embark on. A couple of seasons with this program on your resume, if things don't change, could hurt your stock.
College assistants bounce around looking for better opportunities though they usually stay at least a year. No doubt UC is a better job. It is easier for coaches to find a job when they have a job. He was out of work when we hired him.
Who knows - he may have been better off staying to take over Dorow after she is fired, which I presume will be within the next 300 days.
Pretty unconventional to hire a current assistant of a head coach fired for performance. I really just think the whole program needs a hard reset. Dorow has recruited pretty well, at least on paper. But her in game coaching and player development are awful. A new coach in 2018 could come in and have some decent talent to work with and hopefully be competitive right away.
This program, in my opinion, has squandered far too much talent over the last several years. At some point, it's time for a new approach. There has been no improvement under this staff, with their philosophy. It's predictable and vanilla. These players deserve a chance to be successful.
Quote from: usc4valpo on July 06, 2017, 08:34:02 AM
Who knows - he may have been better off staying to take over Dorow after she is fired, which I presume will be within the next 300 days.
I'm thinking that the over/under is 260 days from your 6 July post
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So I made this post July 6. If Dorow gets canned let's say on March 15, it would be 243 days, which is reasonable.
I think now that Valpo is in a more competitive conference, they will be less hesitant to pull the trigger. This situation is similar to Dale Carlson's football tenure but not as extreme.
Quote from: usc4valpo on July 15, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
So I made this post July 6. If Dorow gets canned let's say on March 15, it would be 243 days, which is reasonable.
I think now that Valpo is in a more competitive conference, they will be less hesitant to pull the trigger. This situation is similar to Dale Carlson's football tenure but not as extreme.
If there is no significant improvement this year then the staff will be completely exposed (Jack would argue that they already have been and I probably agree). The MVC should offer more consistent higher level competition, this will make improvement a difficult task. Unless a miracle happens I am not sure how she survives.
Could the Women's team use its own A. Peters? Check out #25 (class of 2019) in the following highlights:
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Unfortunately, talent is not our Achilles heal. Hasn't been for some time.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/902258884013768704
Quote from: VU2014 on August 28, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/902258884013768704
This is the schedule they should have had for years. This program needs wins, period. Two non D1's plus every D1 with the exception of Purdue is winnable. What will they finish the preseason at?
A very nice gesture. I'm a very proud Valpo Alumni right now!
https://twitter.com/ValpoWBB/status/902588028451000320
Loving that Valley Logo on the Uniforms!
https://twitter.com/ValpoWBB/status/905521691094343681