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Title: Next years transfers
Post by: IndyValpo on January 01, 2017, 12:52:10 PM
We have heard that Middleton has left though he had been removed prior to the season.

Has anyone seen Burton or Evelyn in practice?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: wh on January 01, 2017, 03:47:31 PM
Haven't watched any practices. Where I thought I would notice them (but don't recall having done so) is on the team bench during games or standing around the team during warmups.

I don't know what the rule is, but I do recall KC doing both, for one example. In fact, if you go back to TheShot-2, you'll see Keith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCTTcJH-yIc
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU75 on January 01, 2017, 05:54:33 PM
So I'm guessing that Middleton will transfer to a junior college next semester and be eligible to play next season.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VUBBFan on January 01, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Burton and Evelyn were on the bench during games until the semester break and then after that I haven't seen them.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 01, 2017, 07:23:56 PM
Christmas with their families?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: M on January 03, 2017, 08:42:52 AM
Mr Oren tweeted that some cat named Tom Wilson will be visiting Valpo tomorrow. He is apparently an SMU transfer.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 09:01:53 AM
He's an Aussie!  Played on their U-17 national team.  6-4 guard. 

In 10 games for the 10-3 Mustangs, Wilson averaged 1.6 points, 1.0 rebound, and 0.5 assists, in just 6.1 minutes per game.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/australian-freshman-tom-wilson-to-transfer-from-smu-sources/news-story/81e8fa292486d550a3273668208f8444
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: wh on January 03, 2017, 09:05:53 AM
More in-depth info. 3-Star. Chose SMU over Gonzaga, UConn and others.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.smudailycampus.com/sports/per-report-australian-guard-tom-wilson-to-transfer-from-smu/amp?client=safari
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: wh on January 03, 2017, 09:05:53 AM
More in-depth info. 3-Star. Chose SMU over Gonzaga, UConn and others.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.smudailycampus.com/sports/per-report-australian-guard-tom-wilson-to-transfer-from-smu/amp?client=safari

ALSO>>>>From that same article another Aussie is leaving SMU -- Harry Froling (6-11 freshman)

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/australian-forward-harry-froling-to-transfer-from-smu
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: SanityLost17 on January 03, 2017, 12:11:43 PM
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Wilson was a highly regarded spot up 3 point shooter, but needed some work on the rest of his game.  I think our outside shooting will be a little suspect next year, so would be nice to add him to the roster.   
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: wh on January 03, 2017, 09:05:53 AM
More in-depth info. 3-Star. Chose SMU over Gonzaga, UConn and others.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.smudailycampus.com/sports/per-report-australian-guard-tom-wilson-to-transfer-from-smu/amp?client=safari

ALSO>>>>From that same article another Aussie is leaving SMU -- Harry Froling (6-11 freshman)

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/australian-forward-harry-froling-to-transfer-from-smu

With Jay and Derrik set for the next 3 years Froling probably will be looking elsewhere to become the "man" at the post, yes?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: wh on January 03, 2017, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: wh on January 03, 2017, 09:05:53 AM
More in-depth info. 3-Star. Chose SMU over Gonzaga, UConn and others.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.smudailycampus.com/sports/per-report-australian-guard-tom-wilson-to-transfer-from-smu/amp?client=safari

ALSO>>>>From that same article another Aussie is leaving SMU -- Harry Froling (6-11 freshman)

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/australian-forward-harry-froling-to-transfer-from-smu

Froling is listed as PF. He also is a 3-star. He chose SMU over Arizona, Colorado and Illinois. I would like to see both in Crusader uniforms!  Love that Aussie toughness!
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 02:23:43 PM
Gotta get Rowdy on this!

Geez, imagine 6-11, 7-2, 6-11 across the back line?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: M on January 03, 2017, 02:30:04 PM
Slow as can be, clogging up the paint....having all three could be nice, definitely not playing them at the same time.

The one thing said the big guy was considering going pro back home.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 03, 2017, 03:48:49 PM
I'm not sure we have a need for 6'11" unless he can shoot outside and replace the shooting prowess (fractionally) that we lose in Peters.  Hard to find playing time at the 5 I should think? No?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 03, 2017, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 03, 2017, 03:48:49 PM
I'm not sure we have a need for 6'11" unless he can shoot outside and replace the shooting prowess (fractionally) that we lose in Peters.  Hard to find playing time at the 5 I should think? No?

I mentioned that when I noted Froling is xferring -- just doing a what-if for grins.  I'm assuming he sees the same thing as we do -- log jam at the 4-5 and all young -- and he'll find some other place.  His stated reason for leaving SMU was to be a major player on a team that needs his height (which SMU apparently didn't to the level of his liking). In the era of knee jerk transfers, we are not in the position to be a talent stockpile. And if we signed him and it did work out in terms of greatly increased playing time for him, we'd probably lose either Jay or Derrick to a transfer don't ya think?  Net gain in the end - zero (except a potential upgrade in talent, but that is pure speculation).
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 03, 2017, 05:06:41 PM
Takes me back to Raitis Grafs at PF, Anti Nikkala(sp) at C and the great Phil Willie 😉 Off the bench!!!
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 03, 2017, 05:11:35 PM
The great news about mid season transfers are they tend to come to a timely decision!  Would think Wilson makes a decision within the month to get mid season eligibility in 2017/18?   

Always thought becoming eligible mid season wasn't necessarily a good thing though.  Keith Carter comes to mind...really would've liked to get back that mid season decision.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 03, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
Anyone have updates about our scholarship offer to the Canadian big man Axel Okongo (7'0") for next year?

Wonder if the coaches are actively pursuing him after we landed Jaume?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on January 03, 2017, 08:04:57 PM
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/816108725811507204

https://twitter.com/PatrickEngel_/status/816109450947862528

https://twitter.com/ReeceKelleyG/status/816110315708514304

Froling is deciding between Oregon State and Dayton. It looks lik Froling is out of the picture.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/811016173009637376

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/sport/froling-keen-to-prove-people-wrong-after-college-switch/news-story/c49aeec31ec27299d68c22851a426709

"TOWNSVILLE junior Harry Froling has vowed to "work his arse off and prove people wrong" after obtaining a release from his US college which prevents him from playing basketball for a year.

Froling has severed ties with Dallas-based Southern Methodist University (SMU) and said he will use the enforced break as motivation and to beef up his 211cm frame.

The 18-year-old is back home for Christmas and told The Townsville Bulletin on Thursday he will decide on his new home – either Oregon State or Ohio's Dayton Flyers – by January 10.

Froling decided he "wasn't a good fit" under new coach Tim Jankovich, after Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown quit SMU just days after his arrival.

"The coach left at the start of the year as soon as I got there, so instead of waiting around and being a sitting duck I decided to move on," Froling said after scrimmaging with WNBL's Townsville Fire.

"It's come down to either Oregon State who are in the Pac 12, or Dayton who apparently go to the tournament every year.

"The best thing is knowing I'm leaving because it wasn't the right fit, rather than I'm not good enough.

"I know I'm good enough to play at any level, so it's not the level of competition I'm worried about changing to.

"I'll just work on getting better and getting my body right, when it's time to play I'll be out to prove some people wrong.

"It's just motivation, there's a lot of interesting stuff coming from SMU people.

"I guess it's going to be (about) working my arse off and prove they've lost something, and my new school has gained something.

"I'm not going to go 'he said, she said', just play hard and prove people wrong."

Transfers must spend a year in residence at a college before they are eligible to play, but a positive Froling is determined to make the most of the break.

The forward will spend plenty of time in the gym bulking up, and won't be frustrated by training without game time.

"I had it at the Crocs (Townsville Crocodiles development player) a lot of the time, and lived at the AIS in Canberra for two years and played like 14 games a year,'' he said.

"I've been through a lot of practice without many games, I'm totally used to it.

"The biggest thing for me is changing my body. I need to get into the best shape of my life, and put on a lot of muscle.

"I've had some foot trouble, so having a year out will be good for that.

"Hopefully then I can reach my potential, the year out is (about) going hard in the gym and not having to worry about going hard in games."

Froling was impressed by Oregon State's set-up when given a tour recently, and will visit Dayton on January 5.

"I could definitely see myself playing there (Oregon State), it depends on how the visit to Dayton goes," Froling said.

"I'll be practising and training with the team (I join), I just won't be able to play the rest of the season.""
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: talksalot on January 03, 2017, 08:57:34 PM
Just looked at Boise State roster...currently have:   6-10 SO; 6-10 RS/SO; 6-11 RS SO; they are all getting 12-14 minutes per game.

Just looked at Oregon State roster... currently have:  7'0 Senior (10-min/gm); 6'10 SO (31 Min/gm);  6'11 SO (11 min/gm);  6'11 FR- taking RS this year.

we only have 2!

Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 03, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Absolutely a chance it can work, but any newcomer to make a trio has to be athletic enough to guard smaller Forwards because neither Jaume nor Derrik have that shiftiness.  Right?

It's not likely to happen with lil Aussie because he outwardly requires early playing time...mandate.  I don't think any coach with a competitive mindset guarantees playing time easily, no?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: M on January 03, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
I think it was suggested that all 3 giants play at the same time...no doubt they could all be in the roster.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 04, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
From a quick glance, Boise State has (7) guards who are currently freshmen or sophomores.

We have (2) scholarship underclassmen guards I believe. (Micah and Evelyn). 

If Tom Wilson has his decision between VU and BS, this could be seen as favorable.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on January 04, 2017, 11:15:27 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/816775124422692864

https://twitter.com/OlgunUluc/status/816870833205362689

Fingers crossed the visit went well. Yeah I think Valpo is a bit more practical for a few reasons:
-I'm willing to bet there are few more direct flights back home to Australia out of O'Hare then out of Boise Idaho
-Stronger mid-major basketball program
-Developed players like Alec Peters and Rowdy the last few years, among other multiple guys who have had very successful pro careers in Europe
-Like FieldGoodie05 mentioned their is more opportunity on the roster at his position
-Now Valpo isn't Las Vegas by any means but we are a short drive away from Chicago and Boise is Idaho (enough said)
-Valpo Program is on the rise
-I'm sure Boise State has some fine programs but I'd take my education at Valpo any day over Boise State
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: oklahomamick on January 05, 2017, 06:31:33 AM
He's not staying for the espn2 Oakland game Friday? 

I always thought having a recruit attend one of of our HL tourney games on campus was a huge advantage.  To be able to show them a packed Arc, meaningful game and a game usually on ESPN2 or espnU would be a great on campus recruiting experience. 
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: crusader05 on January 05, 2017, 07:22:34 AM
If he's looking to make his decision quickly than I can see him making two quick trips if he plans to be a mid season transfer.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 05, 2017, 01:33:53 PM
Interesting picture.  Who is defending Tom Wilson here?

(http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/3/d/s/q/o/image.related.articleLeadNarrow.300x0.104scy.png/1408182966317.jpg)

Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: talksalot on January 05, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
If weather is an issue... for those out of town, we received a dusting of snow overnight... and it's a bit chilly... BUT... here's Boise's forecast for Friday morning:

Temp and Windchill

6:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
7:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
8:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -4°   -16°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
9:00 AM  sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny -4°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
10:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 0°     -11°    5%   79%   SE 5 mph
11:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 3°      -7°    5%   73%   SE 5 mph


Valpo Wins again.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: covufan on January 05, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: talksalot on January 05, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
If weather is an issue... for those out of town, we received a dusting of snow overnight... and it's a bit chilly... BUT... here's Boise's forecast for Friday morning:

Temp and Windchill

6:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
7:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
8:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -4°   -16°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
9:00 AM  sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny -4°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
10:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 0°     -11°    5%   79%   SE 5 mph
11:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 3°      -7°    5%   73%   SE 5 mph


Valpo Wins again.
Maybe those days only.  Having lived in the Rocky Mountains for nearly 10 years, I would take a Sunny 3 degree day in Boise over an average day in Valpo.  Dryer air = feels warmer in the winter.  Where Valpo can go three weeks without seeing the sun, Boise probably rarely goes 3 full days without the sun peaking out a bit. 

The average high for Jan/Feb in Boise is 38/45.  The average for Valpo is 31/35. 

:twocents:
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: valpo84 on January 05, 2017, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: covufan on January 05, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: talksalot on January 05, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
If weather is an issue... for those out of town, we received a dusting of snow overnight... and it's a bit chilly... BUT... here's Boise's forecast for Friday morning:

Temp and Windchill

6:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
7:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
8:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -4°   -16°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
9:00 AM  sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny -4°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
10:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 0°     -11°    5%   79%   SE 5 mph
11:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 3°      -7°    5%   73%   SE 5 mph


Valpo Wins again.
Maybe those days only.  Having lived in the Rocky Mountains for nearly 10 years, I would take a Sunny 3 degree day in Boise over an average day in Valpo.  Dryer air = feels warmer in the winter.  Where Valpo can go three weeks without seeing the sun, Boise probably rarely goes 3 full days without the sun peaking out a bit. 

The average high for Jan/Feb in Boise is 38/45.  The average for Valpo is 31/35. 

:twocents:


Hey, you're not helping here....
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: covufan on January 05, 2017, 04:22:24 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 05, 2017, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: covufan on January 05, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: talksalot on January 05, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
If weather is an issue... for those out of town, we received a dusting of snow overnight... and it's a bit chilly... BUT... here's Boise's forecast for Friday morning:

Temp and Windchill

6:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
7:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -3°   -15°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
8:00 AM  clear FRI, JAN 6   Clear -4°   -16°    5%   79%   SE 6 mph
9:00 AM  sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny -4°   -15°    5%   80%   SE 5 mph
10:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 0°     -11°    5%   79%   SE 5 mph
11:00 AM sunny FRI, JAN 6 Sunny 3°      -7°    5%   73%   SE 5 mph


Valpo Wins again.
Maybe those days only.  Having lived in the Rocky Mountains for nearly 10 years, I would take a Sunny 3 degree day in Boise over an average day in Valpo.  Dryer air = feels warmer in the winter.  Where Valpo can go three weeks without seeing the sun, Boise probably rarely goes 3 full days without the sun peaking out a bit. 

The average high for Jan/Feb in Boise is 38/45.  The average for Valpo is 31/35. 

:twocents:


Hey, you're not helping here....

Trying to add reality.  Yes, I think Valpo would be a great landing spot - basketball and degree-wise.  Just don't try to sell me (or recruits) on Valpo weather.  That spin may work on some...
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on January 06, 2017, 02:24:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BJRains/status/817452571317018624

Just checked the weather there, its 8/-1 degrees in Boise today. Not great weather. Maybe it could make the trip to Boise feel worse and may have an impact on the decision. I'm looking for every reason for this kid to want Valpo over them haha.

Whats better? To be the first team he see or the last team? I'm completely biased, but I if I take off my Valpo FanBoy blinders, I still think we are a better fit/opportunity from an outsiders perspective.

Apparently Boise has senior player named Nicholas Duncan from Australia.

I wonder if Rowdy could put in a good word for us. I'm sure they know each other from both competing on the National Team.

Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: wh on January 06, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
I looked at the Forbes university rankings 1-650. Valpo is 61st percentile; BSU 7th (meaning 93% of universities are ranked higher. So there's that.
VU is 60 miles from an international airport with daily non-stops to/from Melbourne. Boise State is in the exact middle of nowhere.
Boise has prettier scenery and cold dry (instead of cold damp) weather.
Oh, I almost forgot, Valpo's bb program is superior with a better national reputation and a soon-to-be 1st round draft choice.
Oh, Valpo has a great reputation of recruiting successful international players.

I report, Tom decides. Fair and balanced.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 06, 2017, 04:23:49 PM
BSU is 10-4 right now, just beat UNLV and plays San Diego State (8-6) tomorrow (when Wilson is there).

He is searching for a fit but.... his knowledgebase is SMU and some great facilities and a big budget.  Valpo cannot say that.  Boise perhaps can.  It's whether he, like, for instance Derrick, feels comfortable in a family setting vs. a big state university.  That's where Rowdy could help us out.

Enrollment: 19,122 UGs
Taco Bell Arena (on campus):  14,480  12,380 now after renovation

They have a recently built 10,000 sq.ft.  basketball complex.

     http://www.broncosports.com/facilities/bosu-arguinchona-basketball-complex.html

That's what we are competing with at the D-I level for top flight recruits, folks.  Sorry to say that if I was a 20 year old I'd be blown away. I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: justducky on January 06, 2017, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: wh on January 06, 2017, 04:15:56 PMI looked at the Forbes university rankings 1-650. Valpo is 61st percentile; BSU 7th (meaning 93% of universities are ranked higher. So there's that.
VU is 60 miles from an international airport with daily non-stops to/from Melbourne. Boise State is in the exact middle of nowhere.
Boise has prettier scenery and cold dry (instead of cold damp) weather.
Oh, I almost forgot, Valpo's bb program is superior with a better national reputation and a soon-to-be 1st round draft choice.
Oh, Valpo has a great reputation of recruiting successful international players.

I report, Tom decides. Fair and balanced.
Hmmm  Brief. Reasoned. Logical. Seems like the simpler that wh argues his points the easier they are for me to understand.

Hmmmm   What might that say about me?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 06, 2017, 05:21:02 PM
I might add that the, yes, Rocky Mountain schools are generally in the middle of nowhere.  But Boise is a city of over 200,000 and the university is a major player in the area.  And Rocky Mountain college towns are fun places to be -- my daughter lives in Bozeman, MT and the Montana State influence is all over as is U of M in Missoula.  They have a friendly small town atmosphere with a big town flair. People there come to games and it is pretty much the only show in town.

Average attendance figures for BSU games:
09-10       3061
10-11       4594
11-12       4367
12-13       6394
13-14       6810
14-15       5774
15-16       6271

I'm not giving up on the kid, but we are up against a pretty impressive set of factors.  Plus there's already an Aussie out there.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: valpopal on January 06, 2017, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: VU75 on January 01, 2017, 05:54:33 PM
So I'm guessing that Middleton will transfer to a junior college next semester and be eligible to play next season.
Middleton has apparently signed with Palm Beach State and has already enrolled for the spring semester.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: valpotx on January 06, 2017, 07:44:41 PM
Good luck to Middleton, regardless of why he couldn't play here.  Boise State is a terrible choice, if you ever have to fall back on your degree...
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VULB#62 on January 06, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 06, 2017, 07:44:41 PM
Boise State is a terrible choice, if you ever have to fall back on your degree...

He's an Aussie.  Think he'll stick around the US of  A?  It's about basketball.  Period.  After he exhausts his eligibility he'll go either to Europe, if he's good enough, or back down under and there no one cares about where in the US he got his degree. That doesn't mean we shouldn't hope he'll see the light and commit to Valpo  ;).
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 07, 2017, 12:52:03 PM
So what's the official ruling on Middleton's now open scholarship?  Are we punished by not having his scholarship available for this semester?  Or can Tom Wilson be given his slot to get him into this semester on scholarship? 

I mean having that open scholarship and not being able to sign up a mid season transfer seems a little ridiculous?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: M on January 07, 2017, 10:41:04 PM
He picked Boise State 😡
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on January 07, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
QuoteHe picked Boise State 😡

damn...

I guess we didn't have a scholarship open. Burned a scholarship on Middleton who didn't player a single minute.

https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/817938846298112000

https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/817939056034217985


The Boise State Basketball coach...
https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/816749846061268992

https://twitter.com/BroncoSportsMBB/status/817902139867439105
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: IndyValpo on January 08, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
So 43 posts in......no one has seen our transfers practice I guess.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: valpotx on January 08, 2017, 06:32:39 PM
Good for him, and I can understand if we didn't have an immediate scholarship for him to slot into.  On to the next one!
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: zvillehaze on January 08, 2017, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 08, 2017, 06:32:39 PM
Good for him, and I can understand if we didn't have an immediate scholarship for him to slot into.  On to the next one!

I had assumed Middleton's scholarship would be available for the spring semester, but Paul is much closer to the situation and I assume he's done his homework. 
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: sliman on January 08, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
I'm with Zville.  If Middleton left because he wanted to go somewhere else, why wouldn't his scholarship become available? Doesn't someone on scholarship usually have to get a release before they can transfer?  And we all know that scholarships are not guaranteed for four years, and maybe they are semester by semester.  Perhaps there is some "face saving" going on here.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: wh on January 08, 2017, 09:34:19 PM
So, he is enrolled and attending classes at a different university, and Valpo's paying for it?  Is that correct ???

That's a new one on me.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: M on January 08, 2017, 10:18:07 PM
His scholarship is available, c'mon fellas. That Aussie dude just wanted to go elsewhere. I say, give this new scholly to Sasha's best hooper friend as a package deal to get Sasha.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: EddieCabot on January 10, 2017, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 07, 2017, 11:42:42 PM

https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/817939056034217985

I think it's a huge positive that this kid would even take a visit to Valpo knowing he couldn't get a scholarship.  Says a lot about the reputation of this program. 
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on January 11, 2017, 12:10:48 AM
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2017, 09:34:19 PMSo, he is enrolled and attending classes at a different university, and Valpo's paying for it?  Is that correct ??? That's a new one on me.



Pretty sure it's nothing like that... his scholarship is just "burned" for this year in terms of the total scholarships allowed by NCAA. I'm not as familiar with the complexities of this rule as I used to be, but if I recall, once a player is on scholarship during an academic year, he counts towards VU's total for NCAA purposes, even if he leaves later that same year. The way the NCAA counts is pretty straightforward and unforgiving, to prevent some schools from pulling circumvent-the-salary-cap type of shenanigans. (In fact, I remember a couple of midseason transfers during Homer's tenure who had to pay their own way for their first semester on campus for that very reason - the way the rule is - or at least was - written, you basically had to prove a transfer over the scholarship limit was a paying walk-on, to prevent teams from stashing transfers on track scholarships and the like to get around it).
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 23, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
Remember near Valpo transfer Tom Wilson's teammate Froling from SMU? He transferred to Marquette in 2017 and is now transferring again. Could Valpo be in play this time around? He's a former 4 star C/PF. He's a good shooter for that size. His brother is Top 100 recruit who is going to play his college ball at Creighton next season. He may be going pro though.

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/977324117073514497
https://twitter.com/OlgunUluc/status/977300274892087296

Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/harry-froling-1.html

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/harry-froling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzGaHQP53GI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHwDovrzKZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5fxmYgk3ck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk39Wh5ArYY
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: Pgmado on March 23, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
Froling is turning pro back home for a year and then automatically entering the NBA Draft in 2019. He won't go to another college.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: valpo64 on March 24, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
It looks like transferring is out of the question but who in the world would want a guy who has already transferred twice??
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 24, 2018, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on March 24, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
It looks like transferring is out of the question but who in the world would want a guy who has already transferred twice??

Brandon Wood
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: Chairback on March 24, 2018, 05:30:52 PM
Lots of chatter out there about a 6'7 transfer coming to campus this week. 
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VUGrad1314 on March 24, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
Any idea where he's from?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 24, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
Tyshawn Davis?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VUGrad1314 on March 24, 2018, 08:12:54 PM
Is it the kid from Arizona who is best friends with Sackey? (please say yes)
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: vufan75 on March 24, 2018, 08:45:14 PM
Names. We need a name pretty please! Inquiring minds want to know. Promise not to tell anybody. [emoji6][emoji459][emoji102][emoji91]

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Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 24, 2018, 08:47:40 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 24, 2018, 08:12:54 PM
Is it the kid from Arizona who is best friends with Sackey? (please say yes)

I wish lol. Akot said he's returning to Arizona.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 24, 2018, 10:05:23 PM
Quote from: Chairback on March 24, 2018, 05:30:52 PM
Lots of chatter out there about a 6'7 transfer coming to campus this week. 

All this info is from verbal commits. This is VC's list of D1 transfers between the heights of 6'6" to 6'8". This list doesn't include JUCO guys. I feel like an immediately eligible transfer might be more likely if it's a PF. It could be a JUCO guy like Tyshawn Davis who is rumored to have received a offer from Valpo.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2018?division=D1

List of available Transfers who are 6'7":
-SF Carson Williams NKU SO   (he was being recruited to NKU while Coach Rags was on their staff)
-PF   Nolan Taylor SO   Pepperdine   
-PF   Darius Hicks SO   NC State   
-SF   Devin Haygood JR   Youngstown State
-PF   Kellen Manek RS FR   Oral Roberts   
-PF   Nelson Nweke SR   Arkansas State (grad transfer)
-PF   Damien Sears RS FR   Jacksonville   


List of available transfers who are 6'8":
-SF   Xeyrius Williams JR   Dayton
-PF   Jack Williams RS JR   Pacific (grad-transfer)
-PF   Kenechukwu Chukwuka SO   Pittsburgh      
-PF   Evan Clayborne SO   Cleveland State      
-PF   Harrison Curry JR   Louisiana Tech      
-3 star   PF   Ellis Dozier RS SO   Ohio   (grad transfer)   
-PF   Devenir Duruisseau JR   Washington   (grad transfer)   
-3 star   PF   Keith Fisher III RS FR   San Jose State      
-PF   Otas Iyekekpolor RS JR   Central Arkansas   (grad transfer)
-SG   Robert Johnson FR   The Citadel
-3 star   PF   Josh Martin RS JR   Cal Poly (grad transfer)
-2.7 star   PF   Donovan Mitchell SO   Wake Forest
-PF   Andrew Moemeka RS SO   Wyoming
-3.3 star   C   Quadri Moore SR   Cincinnati
-PF   Jalen Morgan RS JR   Western Illinois      (grad transfer)
-PF   Shawn O'Connell RS JR   Georgia Southern   (grad transfer)
-SF   Malik Osborne FR   Rice      
-PF   Ramses Sandifer JR   Louisiana-Monroe (grad transfer)
-PF   Austin Stone JR   Portland      
-PF   Roderick Taylor RS JR   Louisiana-Monroe   (grad transfer)


List of available transfers who are 6'6":
-PF   Gerald Blount SO   Saint Joseph's
-SF   Armani Branch SR   VMI      (grad transfer)
-3 star   PF   David Caraher FR   Houston Baptist
-PG   Jamaal David RS FR   Charleston Southern      
-2.3 star   SG   Ar'Mond Davis SR   Alabama      (grad transfer)
-SF   Duncan Douglas RS JR   Maine
-PF   Charles Dudley FR   Bryant      
-PF   Solomon Hainna JR   Evansville      (grad transfer/I bet he'll be blocked from transferring to Valpo)
-SG   Braun Hartfield SO   Youngstown State      
-SG   Jaycee Hillsman JR   San Jose State      
-SF   D'Angelo Hunter JR   West Virginia   
-3 star   SF   Shamiel Stevenson FR   Pittsburgh
-SG   Ryan Taylor RS JR   Evansville      (grad transfer/he going to be blocked from coming to Valpo)
-3 star   SG   Richard Washington SO   Wake Forest   
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: valpotx on March 24, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
If you are a grad transfer, I don't think that you can be blocked from any schools.  Can you?
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 24, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 24, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
If you are a grad transfer, I don't think that you can be blocked from any schools.  Can you?

I believe that's true. I just don't see any of the Evansville transfers coming here. Ryan Taylor is apparently getting serious interest from Nebraska.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VUGrad1314 on March 24, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Which would mean fewer minutes for Nana Akenton...
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 24, 2018, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 24, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Which would mean fewer minutes for Nana Akenton...

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On twitter he just said he's looking for a videographer. Maybe to make a new highlight package to send to coaches? Probably a stretch but he'd be amazing get for Valpo. It does look like he might be buried on the bench with freshman coming in at the same position as him and with 2 upper classman SFs ahead of him in the depth chart. He had 26 DNPs for Nebraska and only played 21 total minutes this season (1 minute of conference play).
https://twitter.com/nbasfuture/status/977704560025374720
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: ValpoDad89 on March 26, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Michael Finke from Illinois is set to transfer.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: elephtheria47 on March 26, 2018, 07:27:30 PM
To grad transfer you need to enroll in a graduate program at the New school that your original school didn't have....so not really a major holdup if you're wanting to transfer, but, a potential hold up if you're really wanting a certain grad program.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 26, 2018, 09:47:39 PM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 26, 2018, 07:27:30 PM
To grad transfer you need to enroll in a graduate program at the New school that your original school didn't have....so not really a major holdup if you're wanting to transfer, but, a potential hold up if you're really wanting a certain grad program.

Yeah it sounded in one of the quotes that he's weighing academics into where he transfers to. Actually pretty refreshing to hear. I'd love to see Finke transfer here. He's not the best athlete, rebounder or passer but he's an experienced tough player with size who can stretch the floor. He should be able to do damage offensively at our level. He was hampered by injuries last season. I wonder if the Coaches would gauge his interest. It would be great to get more experience at the 4 and maybe he could be a mentor to Mileek at the position.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: M on March 26, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Mentor Mileek how? You said he isn't a good athlete, rebounder or passer...we are going to need Mileek to be at minimum those first two! Haha. Mentor him on setting screens!
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 26, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: M on March 26, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Mentor Mileek how? You said he isn't a good athlete, rebounder or passer...we are going to need Mileek to be at minimum those first two! Haha. Mentor him on setting screens!

Many of the good coaches weren't the best players. Mileek has a higher ceiling but I think he could benefit from someone who played 3 seasons (another season RSing from the bench) in the B10 if Finke was a willing and eager mentor. Both guys have stretch 4 abilities. It also might be nice to have some veteran depth at the position.

We're going to have some great size next season between Fazekas, Mileek, Golder, Marty, Smits, Sorolla and probably another transfer all being above 6'6".
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: vu72 on March 27, 2018, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on March 26, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Michael Finke from Illinois is set to transfer.

This kid could really put us over the top and we may be what he is looking for.  At 6'10" 230# with BIG experience and a pretty local guy who happened to play AAU ball for the same team as Alec, it could be a very good fit.  Let's hope so.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: vu84v2 on March 27, 2018, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on March 23, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
Froling is turning pro back home for a year and then automatically entering the NBA Draft in 2019. He won't go to another college.

Froling, by all accounts, seems like a good person with no discipline, academic or other non-court issues. He was just the weakest interior defender and rebounder on a Marquette team with mediocre interior play.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: vufan75 on March 27, 2018, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 27, 2018, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on March 26, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Michael Finke from Illinois is set to transfer.

This kid could really put us over the top and we may be what he is looking for.  At 6'10" 230# with BIG experience and a pretty local guy who happened to play AAU ball for the same team as Alec, it could be a very good fit.  Let's hope so.
Finke and his experience and size would be a nice 1 year stopgap and give Mileek more time and a mentor of sorts. But his recent stats shooting 3's and FT are not great (30% from 3 and 61% FT last season. He avg 5 rebounds/game. We really need a premier rebounder IMO with some shooting skills. I don't see Smits or Sorolla getting a whole lot better in terms of rebounding, so I would prioritize that as a team need. Hope Smits and Sorolla prove me wrong!

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Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: justducky on March 27, 2018, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: vufan75 on March 27, 2018, 12:31:11 PMFinke and his experience and size would be a nice 1 year stopgap and give Mileek more time and a mentor of sorts. But his recent stats shooting 3's and FT are not great (30% from 3 and 61% FT last season. He avg 5 rebounds/game. We really need a premier rebounder IMO with some shooting skills. I don't see Smits or Sorolla getting a whole lot better in terms of rebounding, so I would prioritize that as a team need. Hope Smits and Sorolla prove me wrong!

There are never many immediate impact, immediate eligibility players available.

From what I believe we will have on hand and coming in we could already be considered as a top 100 and top of the Valley contender. If we could add to this an immediately eligible PF with Capo- Sr level skills or better and a guard with Bogan-Sr level stability then the team will be measurably more dangerous. I don't think we need a home run at either position but we do need good fits.
Title: Re: Next years transfers
Post by: VU2014 on March 27, 2018, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: justducky on March 27, 2018, 01:31:20 PM
There are never many immediate impact, immediate eligibility players available.

From what I believe we will have on hand and coming in we could already be considered as a top 100 and top of the Valley contender. If we could add to this an immediately eligible PF with Capo- Sr level skills or better and a guard with Bogan-Sr level stability then the team will be measurably more dangerous. I don't think we need a home run at either position but we do need good fits.

Bobby was one of my favorite Valpo players of all time for his intangibles he brought but he had a limited skill set. Will Bogan was solid but he's not a game changer. I'm not sure adding Bobby or Will next seasons roster would lift us to a MVC title next season. We are losing 2 key guards and replacing them with 2 freshman with a lot of potential. Our perimeter defense is probably going take a hit without Tevonn and Max.

Finke is a better player then both of them, imo. Agreed it's more important to find the right fit then just adding the most talented player possible.