Let's reconnect as a team and sweep Northeast Ohio. Three games in five days.
Start it off first with a close W, 76-70
Game #17, but besides that, I think that we handle them fairly well:
Valpo 72
YSU 64
Another TRAP GAME. Could come out listless and flat. This team has yet to show the grit and determination they once had in the OOC schedule. And isnt this game 17? BTW...... Let' s put a proper game thread symbol on this and correct the title. I believe the poster who started this can do both. Thanks!
With Jubril, 87-72, without 83-75
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Quote from: valpotx on January 08, 2017, 06:38:01 PM
Game #17, but besides that, I think that we handle them fairly well:
Valpo 72
YSU 64
Phat Phingers on a tablet...
Quote from: talksalot on January 09, 2017, 07:59:47 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 08, 2017, 06:38:01 PM
Game #17, but besides that, I think that we handle them fairly well:
Valpo 72
YSU 64
Phat Phingers on a tablet...
This is interesting. I was just reading about this kind of jewelry for people who have trouble, due to arthritis, of putting jewelry on. I was just showing it to my wife who has just started experiencing some arthritis in her fingers. The name of the jewelry is
Phat Phingers.
http://www.phatphingers.com/index.html
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 08, 2017, 06:52:04 PM
Another TRAP GAME. Could come out listless and flat. This team has yet to show the grit and determination they once had in the OOC schedule. And isnt this game 17? BTW...... Let' s put a proper game thread symbol on this and correct the title. I believe the poster who started this can do both. Thanks!
If we clarify things, it is a 7:45 pm game (odd time), but 7:45 in Ohio. -Eastern- time. 6:45 pm central.
OK, thanks for all of the edits to the damn thread name...
anyway...
Here's the YST Roster
http://www.ysusports.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/roster
Here are the YST Stats
http://www.ysusports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/files/teamcume.htm
Their RPI is 215
They are 5-2 at home, wins over
#67 AKRON 90-82
#292 NIAGARA 101-97 OT
#287 MILWAUKEE 88-87 2OT
(two non-D1s)
Losses to:
#97 Canisius 90-84
#145 Green Bay 90-77
Other Games:
Lost to #289 Jacksonville 79-54 Neutral Court
Lost at #224 Southern Alabama 84-75
Won at #231 Robert Morris 75-74
Lost at #34 Michigan State 77-57
Lost at #310 American 77-62
Lost at #143 Northern Kentucky 83-70
Won at #141 Wright State 80-75
Nolan RPI predicts Valpo wins 81-78 with a 61% surety.
(they also predict ClevSt beats UIC 72-71 with a 54% surety)
I think they're simply known as Youngstown now. Wait, maybe they go by their school's name? Or maybe it's THE Youngstown State University Penguins?
I am interested in seeing what we do (strategically) on this road trip. Do we learn from the less than expected performances of the past two game and adjust? Or do we find better ways to use our best weapons more effectively? Do we go through the motions, or do we come out with fire? This Ohio trip, while on paper is a slam dunk, will be a measure of how this team responds to unmet (so far) expections.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alec Peters says watching film from this weekend, he hasn't seen same team that won in Vegas, beat Rhode Island. #HLMBB (https://twitter.com/hashtag/HLMBB?src=hash)</p>— Paul Oren (@NWIOren) <a href="[tweet]818894435450814464[/tweet]">January 10, 2017
Could it be that we are missing someone? JA?
Looking forward to catching the game tonight. I predict that Valpo bounces back after a slow start to win by 10+. :twocents:
Anyone on the Board going to the game tonight?
Valpo is 33-9 all time against YSU. When was the last time VU dropped a game to the Penguins?
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 12, 2017, 03:15:25 PM
Valpo is 33-9 all time against YSU. When was the last time VU dropped a game to the Penguins?
I did some digging, and the last time was January 30th, 2013 at Youngstown. The final score was 80-68, with a starting lineup of Buggs, Bogan, Kenney, Broekhoff and Van Wijk. It's kind of funny looking back and seeing Vashil only getting 3 minutes off the bench. It's amazing how much he's improved since he arrived at Valpo.
Quote from: swiftmutiny on January 12, 2017, 04:09:44 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 12, 2017, 03:15:25 PMValpo is 33-9 all time against YSU. When was the last time VU dropped a game to the Penguins?
I did some digging, and the last time was January 30th, 2013 at Youngstown. The final score was 80-68, with a starting lineup of Buggs, Bogan, Kenney, Broekhoff and Van Wijk. It's kind of funny looking back and seeing Vashil only getting 3 minutes off the bench. It's amazing how much he's improved since he arrived at Valpo.
Youngstown State had a more respectable team that year and the year before. Kendrick Perry was the best player for them in a long time and Damian Eargle was a block monster. Went 7-9 conference but 16-14 through the regular season. Qualified for the CIT, beat Oakland (ha) 99-87 in the first round, then blew a 17 point halftime lead to Canisius in the second round. I think they beat us (pretty handily) in 2012 at the Beeghly as well.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 12, 2017, 03:15:25 PM
Valpo is 33-9 all time against YSU. When was the last time VU dropped a game to the Penguins?
1/30/2013 at YSU. During Valpo's first Horizon League at-large season. Broekhoff scored only 10 points and went 3-13 while Kendrick Perry dropped 28. Valpo made only 19 of 31 free throws in a 12 point loss.
That was actually the second in a row Valpo lost to YSU - they had stumbled the previous year at YSU as well. Broekhoff shot 2-10 in that game and bogan, boggs, buggs, and Kenny combined for a total of 8 points in a 17 point shellacking. That was actually the first time YSU beat Valpo in Horizon League play, and broke a 14 game win streak.
Valpo is currently on a 7 game win streak and holds an all time record of 33-9 over YSU.
with 6 minutes left in the first half, YSU is shooting over 70% 3pointers. Seems like other teams shoot 3 pointers well above their average against us.
Watching online -- YSU "network." Ran a HL ad for the Motor City Madness. Lots of clips -- NONE were from the Joe. All the clips were of games in HL team arenas that were filled and had people cheering.
You can definitely tell from the early going that Coach Lottich is trying to get everyone involved in this game, specifically Micah.
Coach told Paul yesterday:
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/819317715844403201
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/819319398452305920
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/819319561786970114
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/819319829530345474
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/819319971432067072
He's going to let guys take their bumps and bruise by learning on the job. Not a bad move to get Micah some experience/confidence when we are playing weaker conference competition.
It's the under 4 MTO in the first and we've already seen two walk ons on the floor at the same time. Bradford started. I don't see Adekoya, did he not make the trip?
Alec 10-and-10 at the half!
I don't see Jubril either. Could be good or bad. If he stayed behind to face the Honor council it's good because it means there is an end in sight. Which still could be good or bad. Of course I know nothing. It's just my mind spinning.
Most of us are dealing with spinning minds with this situation, but I wouldn't read too much into the fact he's not with the team in Youngstown. I suspect he was allowed to sit on the bench at home, but not travel with the team. This is the first distant road game since he went to the sidelines. I was not at the UIC game, but it's possible Jubril attended it on his own but I don't recall if he was there and/or if he was on the bench.
NCAA needs to ease up on the rim technicals.
Hopefully Jubril is in valpo doing his homework!
I like the short leash Lottich seems to have tonight.
Valpo is playing great defense in the second half. Also, I love how Slocum calls a timeout AFTER Valpo had already got the game to 23. Horrible coach.
I'm perplexed with the shooting percentage our defense is giving up at the 3 point line this season. They are shooting around 35-40% currently from 3pt line. What I'm starting to realize is that we are pretty darn short at the guard position... Guys below or just above 6 foot which is short for D1 basketball: Micah, Lexus, Max, Tevonn.
I'm trying think the reasons for this. Last year we had much much more size: We had E., Shane, Alec, Skara, Jubril, and Vashil all playing huge minutes that gave us the height advantage and more match up problems for other teams defensively. We are sort of in a weird roster situation losing Jubril and David last season, that were suppose to be leaned on heavily this season, which would have changed the dynamic of the team defensively.
If we look at our recruits or signed freshman next season:
-6'2" PG Bakari Evelyn
-6'6" SF Joe Burton
-6'7" - 6'8" F Parker Hazen
-6'8" (still growing) F Mileek McMillan
-6'5" Kizer is going to get a bit more playing time next season. I know this is debatable but I think Lottich is going to give Kizer one of the open scholarships next season. You can tell they like him more then the average walk-on. We'll see what happens there.
Potentially:
- 6'4" - 6'5" SG Sasha Stefanovic (Fingers crossed)
- 6'8" F Taylor Bruninga (not offered yet, but lots of buzz and like to see him here but I trust coaches judgement more then mine)
I think the coaching staff recognizes the need to add height and length back on the roster.
Alec is just too unselfish to average 25 ppg. And I'm too selfish to let it go!!!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 12, 2017, 08:28:13 PM
Alec is just too unselfish to average 25 ppg. And I'm too selfish to let it go!!!
The refs are allowing too physical of play for him to keep up the 25 ppg average. He's no longer taking 15-20 shots a game from the block because he's getting grabbed down low in the post.
46-24 rebound advantage -wow! How is that even possible?
I liked seeing Davidson and Kiser playing many minutes tonight. They bring some ball control presence, when Hammink does his best to just give the ball to other teams :). Jay has vastly improved over the course of his first season. He is going to be a phenomenal player for us over the next few years. He seems to have learned how to stand straight up on defense in order to alter shots, and his hook shot has improved tremendously. He used to leave it too low, but now it is right on. He is going to be a beast down low for Valpo.
Coach Gore mentioned Jubril in his post game interview...Said don't give him (Gore) credit for the advancement of our freshmen centers....give credit to Jubril and Levingston-Simon in practice
Not to mention that Jaume and Smits are getting high percentage shots and should continue to have the ball fed into them with the shot clock rolling below 10. This is a big time positive drain on Alec's overall chucks.
PG play was still sloppy tonight. Liked that we had a chance to give minutes to Bradford...he needs to get real game time minutes because Lexus looks fatigued to me. Not the same bounce as the Ball State game and before.
Quote from: sliman on January 12, 2017, 07:57:38 PMMost of us are dealing with spinning minds with this situation, but I wouldn't read too much into the fact he's not with the team in Youngstown. I suspect he was allowed to sit on the bench at home, but not travel with the team. This is the first distant road game since he went to the sidelines. I was not at the UIC game, but it's possible Jubril attended it on his own but I don't recall if he was there and/or if he was on the bench.
He would also be attending classes at this time which hasn't been an issue for nearly a month
Quote from: VU2014 on January 12, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
I'm perplexed with the shooting percentage our defense is giving up at the 3 point line this season. They are shooting around 35-40% currently from 3pt line. What I'm starting to realize is that we are pretty darn short at the guard position... Guys below or just above 6 foot which is short for D1 basketball: Micah, Lexus, Max, Tevonn.
I'm trying think the reasons for this. Last year we had much much more size: We had E., Shane, Alec, Skara, Jubril, and Vashil all playing huge minutes that gave us the height advantage and more match up problems for other teams defensively. We are sort of in a weird roster situation losing Jubril and David last season, that were suppose to be leaned on heavily this season, which would have changed the dynamic of the team defensively.
If we look at our recruits or signed freshman next season:
-6'2" PG Bakari Evelyn
-6'6" SF Joe Burton
-6'7" - 6'8" F Parker Hazen
-6'8" (still growing) F Mileek McMillan
-6'5" Kizer is going to get a bit more playing time next season. I know this is debatable but I think Lottich is going to give Kizer one of the open scholarships next season. You can tell they like him more then the average walk-on. We'll see what happens there.
Potentially:
- 6'4" - 6'5" SG Sasha Stefanovic (Fingers crossed)
- 6'8" F Taylor Bruninga (not offered yet, but lots of buzz and like to see him here but I trust coaches judgement more then mine)
I think the coaching staff recognizes the need to add height and length back on the roster.
Opponents are shooting 33.0% from 3-point range against us this year - our defensive 3-point percentage ranks 105th nationally.
Last year, opponents shot 33.9% from 3-point range against us - last year's defensive 3-point percentage ranked 131st nationally.
Two years ago, opponents shot 33.4% from 3-point range against us - we ranked 123rd nationally in defensive 3-point percentage.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 12, 2017, 08:18:45 PM-6'5" Kizer is going to get a bit more playing time next season. I know this is debatable but I think Lottich is going to give Kizer one of the open scholarships next season. You can tell they like him more then the average walk-on. We'll see what happens there.
He seems to be strong enough, athletic enough, and quick enough to be a future contributor. His rebounding instincts are good, his offensive potential seems solid, but so far any decently set screen leaves him 2 steps behind.
Most of his weaknesses should improve with experience, playing time and maturity, but I still have no clear vision of how good he can be.
Missed the gme but just finished the replay. Love the major coaching change in playing so many people. I think the Santa Clara game opened some eyes to a problem. I thought Bradford played well but obviously playing not to screw up. Smits struggled but J was great. Both are continuing to improve. I thought it was a very solid performance all around.
Observations from the igloo.
1. Micah started. This hasn't been discussed much, but a clear "change" after the rough past 5 games. Point of emphasis is turnovers. An example, after Max was stripped from behind, he was pulled. Turnovers were down.
2. Better and harder cuts. Early in the game, cuts led to easy layups and attacks to the basket.
3. AP garners attention. Besides the press coverage all week. Every team is scheming for AP and to not allow him space to cut or move or post. Blatant example, at the end of half, he was held on a baseline cut. The bounce pass to the spot he would have been for the layup/dunk went out of bounds. Foul disparity at half 9-4. We went into the bonus for the first time with 4 mins left on the clock...in the second half.
4. 3 D. We are slow rotating to the wing 3 when teams rotate the ball against us. Without Vashi to patrol the middle, we are focused on preventing the strong side/middle drive. As they swing back to the 3, the wing defenders are late getting to the shooter or if the guard has the responsibility they are behind the shooter.
5. Centers of attraction. Jay and Derrick are playing with lots more confidence. We discussed at the game that Jay can be unstoppable if he perfects that lefty hook to go with the righty hook and soft touch from 5-10. If he adds the drop step, he could be a dominating post in the mid-majors. Needs to be more aware on cleaning up when drivers get by but progress is happening. Derrick needs confidence in his shot. He's playing with more intensity down low and had some looks.
Who will we see from the Board Saturday. Sounds like there will be a good contingent of Valpo friends, family and fans.
Quote from: sliman on January 12, 2017, 07:57:38 PMMost of us are dealing with spinning minds with this situation, but I wouldn't read too much into the fact he's not with the team in Youngstown. I suspect he was allowed to sit on the bench at home, but not travel with the team. This is the first distant road game since he went to the sidelines. I was not at the UIC game, but it's possible Jubril attended it on his own but I don't recall if he was there and/or if he was on the bench.
I don't definitively remember seeing him at the UIC game, but I think the crew I was watching with, or surely someone on the board here, would have been watching for him. I definitely did not note his absence at the UIC game (how's that forms double negative?).
I've missed his dad in the student section at the ARC. Admittedly, it's been a while since we've had something deserving the name.
Quote from: valpo84 on January 13, 2017, 08:34:50 AM3. AP garners attention. Besides the press coverage all week. Every team is scheming for AP and to not allow him space to cut or move or post. Blatant example, at the end of half, he was held on a baseline cut. The bounce pass to the spot he would have been for the layup/dunk went out of bounds.
Great anticipation by the defender. My eyes were on the passer (Derrik) so I saw no foul against Alec only his futile struggle to get around and open. If a hold is not spotted it did not happen so I will call this play terrific defense! :)
Quote from: agibson on January 13, 2017, 09:05:09 AM
Quote from: sliman on January 12, 2017, 07:57:38 PMMost of us are dealing with spinning minds with this situation, but I wouldn't read too much into the fact he's not with the team in Youngstown. I suspect he was allowed to sit on the bench at home, but not travel with the team. This is the first distant road game since he went to the sidelines. I was not at the UIC game, but it's possible Jubril attended it on his own but I don't recall if he was there and/or if he was on the bench.
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I don't definitively remember seeing him at the UIC game, but I think the crew I was watching with, or surely someone on the board here, would have been watching for him. I definitely did not note his absence at the UIC game (how's that forms double negative?).
I've missed his dad in the student section at the ARC. Admittedly, it's been a while since we've had something deserving the name.
He was there as was his mom and a group of friends. I saw them at a restaurant across the street after the game. I also saw his on the bench during the game as I pointed him out to a couple of friends.
Quote from: justducky on January 13, 2017, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 13, 2017, 08:34:50 AM3. AP garners attention. Besides the press coverage all week. Every team is scheming for AP and to not allow him space to cut or move or post. Blatant example, at the end of half, he was held on a baseline cut. The bounce pass to the spot he would have been for the layup/dunk went out of bounds.
Great anticipation by the defender. My eyes were on the passer (Derrik) so I saw no foul against Alec only his futile struggle to get around and open. If a hold is not spotted it did not happen so I will call this play terrific defense! :)
I think they showed a replay on the web stream, and I happened to watch the end of the first half twice besides. There was a lot of contact between Alec and the defender as Alec tried to cut to the baseline. Alec didn't seem too upset about the no-call.
I thought it was a good idea, a pretty good pass from Derrik, and it just didn't quite work out. I don't know if it was a "correct" play, but hardly a fiasco.
QuoteOpponents are shooting 33.0% from 3-point range against us this year - our defensive 3-point percentage ranks 105th nationally.
Last year, opponents shot 33.9% from 3-point range against us - last year's defensive 3-point percentage ranked 131st nationally.
Two years ago, opponents shot 33.4% from 3-point range against us - we ranked 123rd nationally in defensive 3-point percentage.
I stand corrected. I less mean the defense hasn't been the same this year.
Opponent FG%: 2016: 42.5% 2015: 39.0%
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/opponent-shooting-pct
I'm sure your could find more stats to support it but this team is not at the same level defensively that we were last year. Which is understandable given the roster construction and losing key players unexpectedly like Jubril for the last 10 games and losing David Skara to the Don Bosco drama. Also most importantly we lost one the best defensive players in college basketball in Vashil, who was great at protecting the paint, and replacing them with two freshman centers (that have a bright future).
If you just do the eye test we aren't the same team defensively this season. Maybe it has to do with defensive philosophy/scheming between Lottich and Bryce, but I don't think so considering the guys we lost.
Quote from: agibson on January 13, 2017, 10:40:10 AM
Quote from: justducky on January 13, 2017, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 13, 2017, 08:34:50 AM3. AP garners attention. Besides the press coverage all week. Every team is scheming for AP and to not allow him space to cut or move or post. Blatant example, at the end of half, he was held on a baseline cut. The bounce pass to the spot he would have been for the layup/dunk went out of bounds.
Great anticipation by the defender. My eyes were on the passer (Derrik) so I saw no foul against Alec only his futile struggle to get around and open. If a hold is not spotted it did not happen so I will call this play terrific defense! :)
I think they showed a replay on the web stream, and I happened to watch the end of the first half twice besides. There was a lot of contact between Alec and the defender as Alec tried to cut to the baseline. Alec didn't seem too upset about the no-call.
I thought it was a good idea, a pretty good pass from Derrik, and it just didn't quite work out. I don't know if it was a "correct" play, but hardly a fiasco.
I also recall an AP shot attempt from ~12' on the right side of the key. AP faked, got his defender airborne and went up for the jumper. The guy was draped all over Alec as he went up - heavy contact. No call. But, luckily, Alec followed the altered shot underneath the rim and came up with a 2 point play despite being clobbered on the initial attempt.
Which brings me to a pet point I have regarding today's players: They launch their jumpers but hardly ever follow the shot toward the rim. MY DATED PERSPECTIVE: Evansville and Jerry Sloan in the 60's. Sloan was an All-American. He had a great 15' jumper and could leap. But most impressive about his performance was that as soon as he released his jumper his next steps were always toward the basket in the direction of his shot regardless whether the shot was sure to go in or not. I watched him clean up on a couple of misses by doing that in one game and it registered (obviously). I later heard a coach at a clinic say that the shooter has the best view on the floor of the shot and the best perspective on how the ball will bounce based on the angles and depth of the shot. I'll bet our players would get more second chance attempts if they applied a follow-their-shot mindset -- Alec's intensity on that one play above supports that, IMO.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 13, 2017, 11:13:36 AMI also recall an AP shot attempt from ~12' on the right side of the key. AP faked, got his defender airborne and went up for the jumper. The guy was draped all over Alec as he went up - heavy contact. No call. But, luckily, Alec followed the altered shot underneath the rim and came up with a 2 point play despite being clobbered on the initial attempt.
Yep - that was a good one. It did seem like very heavy contact. I'm no basketball ref, but it sure felt like a foul.
Alec did a great job of continuing with the play despite the contact.
There was a similar sequence, in terms of physicality and endurance, with J later on. It seemed that he got poked in the eye, or similar, but he fought through it and made key contributions to the next two or three plays in succession. He and Alec both did a great job of fighting on, and not hanging their heads, or complaining about the no calls (something I could learn from, myself, on the soccer field!).
It seemed for a couple of games that Alec was getting some of the star treatment and getting a lot of whistles, maybe sometimes even getting favors from refs. I've not seen much of that in the last few games.
Quote
But most impressive about his performance was that as soon as he released his jumper his next steps were always toward the basket in the direction of his shot regardless whether the shot was sure to go in or not. I watched him clean up on a couple of misses by doing that in one game and it registered (obviously). I later heard a coach at a clinic say that the shooter has the best view on the floor of the shot and the best perspective on how the ball will bounce based on the angles and depth of the shot. I'll bet our players would get more second chance attempts if they applied a follow-their-shot mindset -- Alec's intensity on that one play above supports that, IMO.
I love to watch these kind of plays, for sure.
My basketball IQ often seems to run out (it's pretty low in the first place!) when it comes to rebounding. My first instinct is to want to see players fighting for every rebound, chasing down missed threes with their long bounces, etc. But, I do wonder when defensive responsibilities force them to get down the court instead.
Quote from: vu72 on January 13, 2017, 09:57:31 AMHe was there [at UIC] as was his mom and a group of friends. I saw them at a restaurant across the street after the game. I also saw his on the bench during the game as I pointed him out to a couple of friends.
Paul Oren states on twitter that Jubril go to the UIC game on his own, not on the team bus.
And that it's standard procedure for non-players to _not_ travel to road games. That Burton and Evelyn also aren't traveling.
So, maybe nothing to read into Jubril's absence from the bench. (Admittedly, during the game, I was all "Is he on campus? Attending classes?"). But, from Luke's post-game comments, we could assume that he's still at practice. And practicing?
If we don't see Jubril back on the court by the Green Bay Game next monday then I think we should expect Jubril is out for the season. It would be a full week since classes start and a time for the honor council to meet and decide (if its even up to the honor council).
It's a big week.
Can Jubril take a redshirt year? Theoretically...
Quote from: a3uge on January 13, 2017, 11:59:44 AM
Can Jubril take a redshirt year? Theoretically...
Unlikely. A true redshirt (aka, planned) means you can play in zero games. An injury redshirt is 30% of the games. This situation would likely fall under the former and he would not qualify.
(Side note: unless he was at a power 5 school. Then they'd give him this year back and two more for his troubles... /sarcasm)
Quote(Side note: unless he was at a power 5 school. Then they'd give him this year back and two more for his troubles... /sarcasm)
The funny thing is its probably true or at the very least the NCAA would look for ways to give an extra year.
This Jubril situation wouldn't exist at a power 5 school. Jubril wouldn't even need to go to class if he went to a Kentucky type school. Everyone in the media has reverence for John Calipari but to be honest I think he's a better salesman/recruiter then an x's/o's coach. Derrick Rose played for Calipari at Memphis for a year. Derrick Rose never even took his ACTs and got into that school. I don't think many of his athletes are going to class and I'm willing to bet everything I own that $ is getting given to players from booster the that Calipari "has NO idea" is going down. When their athletes come in for a recruiting visit they probably meet coach Cal in a conference room after some small talk coach Cal leaves the room and a trainer/assistant walks in with # on a napkin. The NCAA doesn't have a financial interest in taking down a Calipari program that is bring boat loads of $. The NCAA is interested in helping these programs.
Sorry for my rant :) And to clarify, I like that our Valpo student athletes are actually students and that our University has higher standards. But I think this potential appeals process has gone on for way too long.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 13, 2017, 01:11:27 PM
Quote(Side note: unless he was at a power 5 school. Then they'd give him this year back and two more for his troubles... /sarcasm)
The funny thing is its probably true or at the very least the NCAA would look for ways to give an extra year.
This Jubril situation wouldn't exist at a power 5 school. Jubril wouldn't even need to go to class if he went to a Kentucky type school. Everyone in the media has reverence for John Calipari but to be honest I think he's a better salesman/recruiter then an x's/o's coach. Derrick Rose played for Calipari at Memphis for a year. Derrick Rose never even took his ACTs and got into that school. I don't think many of his athletes are going to class and I'm willing to bet everything I own that $ is getting given to players from booster the that Calipari "has NO idea" is going down. When their athletes come in for a recruiting visit they probably meet coach Cal in a conference room after some small talk coach Cal leaves the room and a trainer/assistant walks in with # on a napkin. The NCAA doesn't have a financial interest in taking down a Calipari program that is bring boat loads of $. The NCAA is interested in helping these programs.
Sorry for my rant :) And to clarify, I like that our Valpo student athletes are actually students and that our University has higher standards. But I think this potential appeals process has gone on for way too long.
The men's BB and FB programs at snowflake central (U. of Missouri) have been accused of "grooming" team tutors to help players cheat:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article116694258.html?client=safari
I have to believe that this goes on everywhere where athletes masquerade as students.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 13, 2017, 01:11:27 PMQuote(Side note: unless he was at a power 5 school. Then they'd give him this year back and two more for his troubles... /sarcasm)
The funny thing is its probably true or at the very least the NCAA would look for ways to give an extra year. This Jubril situation wouldn't exist at a power 5 school. Jubril wouldn't even need to go to class if he went to a Kentucky type school. Everyone in the media has reverence for John Calipari but to be honest I think he's a better salesman/recruiter then an x's/o's coach. Derrick Rose played for Calipari at Memphis for a year. Derrick Rose never even took his ACTs and got into that school. I don't think many of his athletes are going to class and I'm willing to bet everything I own that $ is getting given to players from booster the that Calipari "has NO idea" is going down. When their athletes come in for a recruiting visit they probably meet coach Cal in a conference room after some small talk coach Cal leaves the room and a trainer/assistant walks in with # on a napkin. The NCAA doesn't have a financial interest in taking down a Calipari program that is bring boat loads of $. The NCAA is interested in helping these programs. Sorry for my rant :) And to clarify, I like that our Valpo student athletes are actually students and that our University has higher standards. But I think this potential appeals process has gone on for way too long.
Let's be honest, I don't think the Jubril situation would exists at many of the other HL schools.
QuoteThe men's BB and FB programs at snowflake central (U. of Missouri) have been accused of "grooming" team tutors to help players cheat:
A little off topic but still worth sharing imo: At the University of North Carolina they were caught creating fake classes for players on the football team. One of the professors came out and admitted to the fake classes and were teach student athletes how read. It's actually a pretty sad situation and a failure of parenting and of the educational system some kids get caught up in where they just get passed along through the system.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/
CNN Article:
Some college athletes play like adults, read like 5th-graders"As a graduate student at UNC-Greensboro, Willingham researched the reading levels of 183 UNC-Chapel Hill athletes who played football or basketball from 2004 to 2012. She found that 60% read between fourth- and eighth-grade levels. Between 8% and 10% read below a third-grade level.
"So what are the classes they are going to take to get a degree here? You cannot come here with a third-, fourth- or fifth-grade education and get a degree here," she told CNN."
oklahomamick, very true. I can think of a couple other schools in the HL that very likely don't have our standards.
Example UW-Milwaukee men's basketball team, received a postseason ban for extremely poor academic performance. Students weren't going to class and failing grades.
http://fox6now.com/2014/04/09/uwm-mens-basketball-team-banned-from-postseason-due-to-academic-performance/
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Quote from: sliman on January 12, 2017, 07:57:38 PMMost of us are dealing with spinning minds with this situation, but I wouldn't read too much into the fact he's not with the team in Youngstown. I suspect he was allowed to sit on the bench at home, but not travel with the team. This is the first distant road game since he went to the sidelines. I was not at the UIC game, but it's possible Jubril attended it on his own but I don't recall if he was there and/or if he was on the bench.
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I don't definitively remember seeing him at the UIC game, but I think the crew I was watching with, or surely someone on the board here, would have been watching for him. I definitely did not note his absence at the UIC game (how's that forms double negative?).
I've missed his dad in the student section at the ARC. Admittedly, it's been a while since we've had something deserving the name.
He was there as was his mom and a group of friends. I saw them at a restaurant across the street after the game. I also saw his on the bench during the game as I pointed him out to a couple of friends.
I saw Jubril at the end of the Valpo bench as he sat in a chair that was positioned in the corner where the baseline starts.