OK, the Panther game was a nice way to get the cobwebs out...with the 18 point win. The Phoenix struggled all night with the Flames, winning by 4.
Here's that box.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400918527
Interesting stat, 8 different players had at least one steal for GB. Warren Jones with 18 off the bench.
I'm heading up there on Saturday for the game. Anyone else?
83-58 drubbing of the Phoenix!
5 Road wins in a row... 7-way tie for 13th in the country on that streak
19-4 puts us in a 5-way tie for 19th best winning % in the country
8-wins in a row put us in a tie with Monmouth in 10th place
8 conference wins in a row put us in a tie with Monmouth for 9th place
Valpo is ranked 123rd in the country in total Home Attendance
Valpo is ranked 111th in the country in % Capacity at 59.54%
Here are all of the HL teams attendance, ranked by %: (total att, average, capacity, % capacity # home games played) (Going into Thursday's games)
Oakland Horizon 39,703 2,836 4,000 70.90 14
Valparaiso Horizon 41,678 2,977 5,000 59.54 14
Youngstown St. Horizon 22,877 2,288 6,300 36.31 10
Ill.-Chicago Horizon 34,381 2,645 8,000 33.06 13
Wright St. Horizon 38,695 3,518 11,019 31.92 11
Green Bay Horizon 22,991 2,555 9,729 26.26 9
Northern Ky. Horizon 21,923 2,436 9,400 25.91 9
Detroit Mercy Horizon 12,893 1,289 8,295 15.54 10
Milwaukee Horizon 9,975 1,247 10,783 11.56 8
Cleveland St. Horizon 10,628 1,329 13,610 9.76 8
and since we using the MVC as the "next level", would be 3rd in the Valley in % capacity and 8th in total attendance.
Wichita St. Missouri Valley 140,534 10,810 10,506 102.90 13
UNI Missouri Valley 40,161 4,462 6,650 67.10 9
Illinois St. Missouri Valley 63,950 5,329 10,200 52.25 12
Bradley Missouri Valley 60,057 5,460 11,060 49.36 11
Southern Ill. Missouri Valley 61,352 4,382 10,014 43.76 14
Evansville Missouri Valley 53,511 4,116 10,000 41.16 13
Drake Missouri Valley 34,155 2,846 7,152 39.80 12
Loyola Chicago Missouri Valley 19,751 1,646 4,486 36.69 12
Missouri St. Missouri Valley 56,298 4,021 11,000 36.56 14
Indiana St. Missouri Valley 39,388 3,581 10,200 35.11 11
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Anderson was a non-factor in our game a few weeks ago... 23 minutes, 3 points 0 rebounds.
I guess we'll have to find someone else to guard...
We keep up the pressure and with some good FT shooting, we pull out a great road win!
Valpo 78
UWGB 66
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And only allowed 19 in the first half! It looks like it is all coming together at the right time.
The spread: Valpo -4
Smits is just killing this game.
Left our defense in Milwaukee.
Good strategy and execution by GB. We should be even further down.
0 FTA lol. What a joke.
Derrik is a complete liability in this game. Every time they went on a run, Derrik was playing. Every time we closed the gap, Derrik was out. Soft defense. TO prone. Indecisive. Not even being guarded. His man leaving him every time down the court to double Alec. Air ball from 12 feet. Matador defense. Kudos to GB for recognizing our weakest link and exploiting it at both ends.
He has to sit. If J needs a blow, go small. I hope I'm wrong, but if he starts the 2nd half, we might be down 15 before they can get him out.
Quote from: a3uge on February 04, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
Smits is just killing this game.
Agreed. In addition we are flat footed on offense. Doyle (commentator) saying what many of us believe, we need off ball cuts continuously. Because of the attention on Peters we'd benefit from running the offense through Jaume at the top of the key and having Alec do more posting up.
Starts and ends with EFFORT!
After lopsided first half officiating, UWGB is in the bonus 5 min into the half?
This is gettin hard to watch
Was a TERRIBLE effort on our part! ML should be kicking butt at this lack-luster effort. Does anyone other than AP want to play and win??? Disgusting to watch..probably the worst performance I've seen in years by a Valpo team. Even those sitting on the bench, including the coaches, act like they could care less.
Quote from: a3uge on February 04, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
After lopsided first half officiating, UWGB is in the bonus 5 min into the half?
It's not the officials sir. It's defensive effort combined with offensive incompetence from where I sit. I'm seeing the early 2nd half disparance in FT Attempted as a symptom of effort and cohesion.
Quote from: valpo64 on February 04, 2017, 01:24:32 PM
Was a TERRIBLE effort on our part! ML should be kicking butt at this lack-luster effort. Does anyone other than AP want to play and win??? Disgusting to watch..probably the worst performance I've seen in years by a Valpo team. Even those sitting on the bench, including the coaches, act like they could care less.
AP hasn't shown up to play at all today. Flat footed on defensive rebounds which are traditionally his and his alone.
This is a full team meltdown but we'll bounce back. Effort and defense are something we can control moving forward.
P.S. It's Tevonn take over time. Let's see what happens.
The only real hope is that we were down by about the same amount in the HL tourney game last season and caught up to Green Bay to force it to overtime. But that will take a huge effort and we haven't given that today.
This game has everything to do with energy and effort. We're not showing either. Credit to GBW for out hustling us on every level.
When we played UWM on Thursday did we just drive back home to Valpo or did they just drive straight up to Green Bay? Maybe that is affecting energy levels. Either way this is an unacceptable effort when this team needs to win out to have a chance at outright bid. After this most likely loss it will pretty much seal our fate that we need to win the conference tourney.
Apparently it doesn't matter who's in the game, Smits or otherwise. We're Swiss cheese on D. Perhaps partly to blame on putrid O setting up GB to run.
I haven't had an issue with the officiating. It'd be nice if we didn't give multiple second chance shots and let them own the paint. Not a good game unless a miracle happens here
One factor that shows effort is second chance points...at one point about midway thru the 2nd half it was 12-0 in favor of Green Bay. They had 6 shots on one offensive sequence! Are you kidding me? Did our team walk up to Green Bay?
Well, it took some doing, but we managed to make GB as dominating as Kentucky.
Bad bad bad...get over it and get back to winning next week.
As our new Prez would say,..."just horrible....a complete disaster."
"But we are going to replace it with something much better..sonething really terrific"
Can we repeal this game? Shameful effort that I thought a star senor would prevent. He needed to just denand the ball late in first balf and drive the hoop.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 04, 2017, 01:32:57 PMThis game has everything to do with energy and effort. We're not showing either. Credit to GBW for out hustling us on every level.
Quote from: rink on February 04, 2017, 01:35:40 PMApparently it doesn't matter who's in the game, Smits or otherwise. We're Swiss cheese on D. Perhaps partly to blame on putrid O setting up GB to run.
A quick team that jumps ahead will frequently require you to use a smaller lineup. Vashil saw fewer than average minutes against GB in recent years. Had Jubril been available I doubt if Derrik and J would have played a combined 20 minutes. You have to match up.
When you are beaten at every aspect of the game there isn't much to say. My pride is a bit hurt but I otherwise see no damage. JLA is still our only path to the dance, and we have plenty of time to prepare our adjustments.
How is it possible that the two 7 footers we have combine for a total of 1 rebound the whole game?
Rebounding doesn't take speed, athleticism, or experience... it is just effort and willingness to box out and fight. Ask T. Walker, he is 6-2 and had 7.
Just a flippin disaster from start to finish. Derrik with another 2 point 1 board day only to J play even worse, 2 points 0 rebounds. Only 61% from the free throw line and were out rebounded by 21!!!! Alec did look disinterested and turnover prone. Just a wholesale mess. Move on...it can't get worse.
I liked GBs defense. They made AP handle the ball outside the arc under pressure and he gave it up a few timeS and was forced to defer to teammates.
Awfully quiet around here for a game day. You folks still pouting?
Well we have seen Oakland at their best and GB at their best and when we travel to Dayton we will likely see the same. I think the HL has gotten our attention and overconfidence at JLA will not be an issue. But---full strength we still have the best combination of talents to give any 7, 6, 5 or 4 seeds nightmares. Matt just has to figure out a way to make it happen.
Did anyone else get the feeling that today Matt was the guy playing possum? Why else would he have allowed some of the repeated mistakes that we witnessed?
You know i thought the same thing. He is a calm guy but he really seemed content to let them flail.
Odd... but maybe there was something going on. Maybe he saw early that they were mailing it in and decided to let them feel the result.
They were horrrible. But in reality a great RPI does nothing if you go to the JLA and sleep walk a game. So maybe he was dumb like a fox.
Quote from: justducky on February 04, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Did anyone else get the feeling that today Matt was the guy playing possum? Why else would he have allowed some of the repeated mistakes that we witnessed?
Who else is he going to sub in when the whole starting lineup and 6-7-8 men haven't got their heads in the game?
Nice way to trap us into commenting on asanine comments. You win!
But seriously, can't put that loss on Coach. They was 75% effort from the entirety of VU. Games like these are going to happen. We have (4) scholarship players unable to suit up. Should have had (5) if Jaume is indeed guilty of being a freshmen who likes to down a few.
We have very little margin for error with this team. And Hammink being a headcase, Tevonn getting hacked all game, Alec in a different head space and two freshmen centers aren't always going to win.
I'm still optimistic because not many HL teams can play lock down defense like GB decided to do with (6) seniors on their roster.
We aren't (overall) athletic enough to overcome some teams that also have good coaching. Was bound to happen. Oklahomamick is right, we seriously need a strong class these next two years (3* and up) because if we want to be like the other big boys (Butler, Wichita State, Zags etc)....we need to have deeper benches to do so.
Go VU...we are going to come out during next week. Jubril ought to be back, Jaume gets a little mental/physical rest. Derrick gets some playing time.
It's HL tournament champs or nothing!!! Always has been.
We got out rebounded 53-32!!!! And Matt talks about the officiating????? How about lack of effort!
I'm not buying the officiating complaints and surprised ML would hint at that. We got it handed to us from beginning to end. It's as simple as that. We could've had any refs in the country and that poor effort would've got us the same result. It seemed like we came to play from about 8 minutes to 2 minutes left in the game but that was it.
Quote from: valpo64 on February 04, 2017, 07:28:55 PMWe got out rebounded 53-32!!!!
We were ahead in rebounds 19-18 at the half.
This shall become a game that is never mentioned again.
QuoteHow is it possible that the two 7 footers we have combine for a total of 1 rebound the whole game?
Rebounding doesn't take speed, athleticism, or experience... it is just effort and willingness to box out and fight. Ask T. Walker, he is 6-2 and had 7.
Agreed most of rebounding is effort and just out scrapping the other team for rebounds. But I think experience definitely helps. Experience in the way learning technique and learning to properly box out and positioning yourself for rebounds.
No excuse for the 1 rebound between the two of them.
2, 3, 5, 7 & 8 all knocked off today so far but they all won't be penalised as much as we will. Teams have off nights and pick up an occasional loss.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 04, 2017, 09:41:29 PM
2, 3, 5, 7 & 8 all knocked off today so far but they all won't be penalised as much as we will. Teams have off nights and pick up an occasional loss.
Right?
Quote from: talksalot on February 04, 2017, 08:43:19 PMThis shall become a game that is never mentioned again.
As the color guy on the ESPN3 broadcast said it is the perfect game for a teaching moment on Lottich's part. And if you think that after this thread that no one on this board will ever mention this game again then you're crazy! ;)
http://files.streamlinehosting.net/valpoathletics/59B069D0-A1AC-406D-B272-0325BD7E11A1/2016_MBB_Stats.pdf (http://files.streamlinehosting.net/valpoathletics/59B069D0-A1AC-406D-B272-0325BD7E11A1/2016_MBB_Stats.pdf)
This time of year it's interesting to look at the current 2016/2017 statistics. In league is most telling.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 05, 2017, 06:57:30 AM
http://files.streamlinehosting.net/valpoathletics/59B069D0-A1AC-406D-B272-0325BD7E11A1/2016_MBB_Stats.pdf (http://files.streamlinehosting.net/valpoathletics/59B069D0-A1AC-406D-B272-0325BD7E11A1/2016_MBB_Stats.pdf)
This time of year it's interesting to look at the current 2016/2017 statistics. In league is most telling.
Winning = FT and Rebounds
84 - let us have a reality check. Valpo has no chance for being at large team. Valpo was better last year, and losing by 20 to Woogie Boogie is not a good indicator of a team worthy of an at large bid.
Quote from: justducky on February 04, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Awfully quiet around here for a game day. You folks still pouting?
Well we have seen Oakland at their best and GB at their best and when we travel to Dayton we will likely see the same. I think the HL has gotten our attention and overconfidence at JLA will not be an issue. But---full strength we still have the best combination of talents to give any 7, 6, 5 or 4 seeds nightmares. Matt just has to figure out a way to make it happen.
Did anyone else get the feeling that today Matt was the guy playing possum? Why else would he have allowed some of the repeated mistakes that we witnessed?
Beg to differ. I was sitting in row M behind our bench. ML was pissed most of the game and in the second half was very animated in timeout huddles. He WAS coaching, but the players continued to not do what they are capable of. Even my wife commented on how many offensive RBs and put backs GB had. When was the last time we got killed on the boards like that?
Have to second comments on Derrik being a step slow in reactions and also seemingly in the wrong place many times. GBs 6-10 center from Turkey, took him to school inside the paint. DS needs a year or two to bulk up and work on his vertical. He also needs to develop intensity and stop the pouting after every call against him -- sign of immaturity.
In my opinion, we let some poor calls by the officials get into our heads.
Also, when was the last time you saw Tevonn miss two dunks?
Finally, I am still waiting to see more set plays for Alec to free him up. IMO he should be working off creative screens and double screens (not just the singletary high post screens that are being set up top) that give him clear looks at the basket and, as mentioned previously, not being forced to handle the ball and get trapped outside the arc. Last year Vashil got a number of pick and roll baskets from that outside dbl team on AP, but our two freshman centers aren't getting that done.
It also appeared to me that the vets do not yet have a lot of confidence in them. So even on open opportunities they are reluctant (more so with Derrik than Jay) to give them the ball.
Not to put us at tbe same level as the top Ncaa seeds, but did you notice that it wasn't only favored Valpo who was embarrassed? I think it was 4 of the top 6 went down yesterday -- some by over 20. Something in the air?
Iowa State was outstanding last night and caught Kansas a bit flat. the PAC 12 is very tough this year.
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 05, 2017, 10:14:02 AMBeg to differ. I was sitting in row M behind our bench. ML was pissed most of the game and in the second half was very animated in timeout huddles. He WAS coaching, but the players continued to not do what they are capable of.
At some point in the second half with the starters in total disarray; he should have stomped to the end of the bench, grabbed any 5 guys and sent them all to the scorers table at once. When the substitution is made just glare at all of them >:( and send them to the empty seats. Its called making a point. :thumbsup:
I can't remember the last time Matt or Bryce pulled Alec with a display of visible anger. Yesterday Alec and especially Shane needed it in spades! You succeed as a team and you fail as a team. I will clearly remember this game as a team loss.