Since Sunday will be coming up soon after the Friday night game I thought I would start this thread now and because it will be the bigger game for the Crusaders. I also wanted to remind posters that Mizzou is really bad at making music videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-vMfqosdDbY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vMfqosdDbY#ws)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zDLPwkOlwO0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDLPwkOlwO0#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q38HN5fkccU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q38HN5fkccU#ws)
With all due respect for StL, weathernerd and my friends in the Show Me state..............is it true Mizzou fans favorite magazine is "Tiger Beat?" Our theme is
"Beat the Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!"
SIZZOU MUCKS
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I can't see us winning against a BCS opponent on the road as of yet. We lost to a poor Nebraska team a few seasons ago, which has improved quite a bit, but were terrible when we lost with a good team.
Missouri 74
Valpo 67
These Kansas fans are watching Mizzou playing a game in the NCAA tournament. Can you guess if the Tigers won or lost.
KU fans react to Missouri loss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzcB8uYl48Y#ws)
Anything can happen!!!
http://fox2now.com/2014/09/20/mizzou-loses-to-indiana-31-27/ (http://fox2now.com/2014/09/20/mizzou-loses-to-indiana-31-27/)
Pinkel: I go back to what my late friend, Joe Paterno, said "Sometimes you have to overlook the mistakes."
Valpo 59
Mizzou 57
It will be a pretty ugly game, I imagine.
Mizzou beat William Jewell 72-31 and MO-St Louis 77-54. Both games were in Columbia. The Kangeroos of UMKC next play at Mizzou Arena on Friday.
Quote from: bbtds on November 12, 2014, 01:49:00 AMRe: Valpo at Missouri, Mizzou Arena, Columbia, MO 5:00 p.m. CT Sunday 11/16/14 « Reply #2 on: Today at 01:49:00 AM » Quote (selected) These Kansas fans are watching Mizzou playing a game in the NCAA tournament. Can you guess if the Tigers won or lost.
Rock Chalk Schadenfreundtalk!
I am looking forward to this game as a Mizzou fan. I think it should give us an early indication of where we stand. I know you all have some young guys that got a lot of experience last year so hopefully that will pay dividends in 2014-15. I have no idea what to expect from this Mizzou team. In the last six years or so we have been really tough at home, but I have a suspicion that this one goes down to the wire.
Is this game going to be shown on the tv/internet?
Quote from: chipper955 on November 12, 2014, 07:13:06 PM
Is this game going to be shown on the tv/internet?
SEC Network, it is on many cable/satelite/TV systems.
(http://a.espncdn.com/secnetwork/production/images/sec-lockup.png)
You can watch their non-live-sporting-event programming here.
http://www.secsports.com/watch (http://www.secsports.com/watch)
There was a Jayhawk response to the Mizzou "we are Mizzou" video.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ShX_bs-KUBk (http://www.youtube.com/embed/ShX_bs-KUBk)
Quote from: bbtds on November 12, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: chipper955 on November 12, 2014, 07:13:06 PM
Is this game going to be shown on the tv/internet?
SEC Network, it is on many cable/satelite/TV systems.
Yeah it's not going to be on my standard ESPNU is the highest level of ESPN I get but I get MLB, NFL, NHL and NBA Networks cable (Comcast). I'm also going to be heavily invested in the Colts game and Blackhawks game so I think I'm going to hit up my regular bar and get all 3 games at once.
I'm guessing it will be on FSN Midwest here in St. Louis. They usually do a bunch of Mizzou games, though maybe it's spread around now.
I'll actually be at the game since it's only a 2 hour drive.
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:06:13 PM
I'm guessing it will be on FSN Midwest here in St. Louis. They usually do a bunch of Mizzou games, though maybe it's spread around now.
I'll actually be at the game since it's only a 2 hour drive.
Wow! Haven't seen a post from you in ages! Welcome back!!
Quote from: vu72 on November 13, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:06:13 PM
I'm guessing it will be on FSN Midwest here in St. Louis. They usually do a bunch of Mizzou games, though maybe it's spread around now.
I'll actually be at the game since it's only a 2 hour drive.
Wow! Haven't seen a post from you in ages! Welcome back!!
Work has been hella busy (did I say that right?), life is hectic, and I'm still trying to get back into the swing of College Basketball.
One good thing about the exhibition game not being televised on-line: I listened to Todd's play-by-play while I watched almost the entire Women's Soccer final. What a game that was!
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:06:13 PMI'm guessing it will be on FSN Midwest here in St. Louis. They usually do a bunch of Mizzou games, though maybe it's spread around now. I'll actually be at the game since it's only a 2 hour drive.
http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Midwest/2014/11/07/Nov%208-16%202014%20foxsportsmidwest%20-%20St.%20Louis.pdf (http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Midwest/2014/11/07/Nov%208-16%202014%20foxsportsmidwest%20-%20St.%20Louis.pdf)
Sunday, November 16 11 a.m. Men's College Basketball: Mercer at Seton Hall LIVE +12 p.m. +Men's College Basketball: Samford at Pittsburgh LIVE 1 p.m. Men's College Soccer: Conference USA Men's Soccer Championship LIVE 6 p.m. Men's College Basketball: Norfolk St. at Virginia LIVE Since the game was showing on the ESPN 3 TV schedule I had doubted it would be on a Fox Sports station. Of course you must already have an ESPN subscription to view it on ESPN 3.
Quote from: historyman on November 13, 2014, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:06:13 PMI'm guessing it will be on FSN Midwest here in St. Louis. They usually do a bunch of Mizzou games, though maybe it's spread around now. I'll actually be at the game since it's only a 2 hour drive.
http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Midwest/2014/11/07/Nov%208-16%202014%20foxsportsmidwest%20-%20St.%20Louis.pdf (http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Midwest/2014/11/07/Nov%208-16%202014%20foxsportsmidwest%20-%20St.%20Louis.pdf)
Sunday, November 16
11 a.m. Men's College Basketball: Mercer at Seton Hall LIVE
+12 p.m. +Men's College Basketball: Samford at Pittsburgh LIVE
1 p.m. Men's College Soccer: Conference USA Men's Soccer Championship LIVE
6 p.m. Men's College Basketball: Norfolk St. at Virginia LIVE
Since the game was showing on the ESPN 3 TV schedule I had doubted it would be on a Fox Sports station. Of course you must already have an ESPN subscription to view it on ESPN 3.
Ah well, so I can't DVR the game. At the same time, I'm probably spared listening to Dan McLaughlin ;)
Is listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PM
Is listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/portage/brandon-vickrey-speaks-at-portage-exchange-club/article_520f9065-1f75-5460-8bae-1ef215ec2957.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/portage/brandon-vickrey-speaks-at-portage-exchange-club/article_520f9065-1f75-5460-8bae-1ef215ec2957.html)
Vickrey is also a freshman at Valparaiso University. He plans to major in Digital Media, looking to have a career eventually in broadcasting or sports information.Uh Oh.
OTOH, you don't like every person working in broadcasting now, either.
Stl, the game is being shown on the SEC Network, which is a part of the ESPN family of networks, so you would be able to see it on ESPN3 after the game. You should be able to get the SEC Network, since Mizzou is an SEC school, kinda like how Lincoln, Nebraska, Maryland and parts of New Jersey for Rutgers get BTN.
Awesome, I now get the SEC Network!
Quote from: valpotx on November 14, 2014, 12:10:28 AMAwesome, I now get the SEC Network!
I noticed today it comes with the ESPN group and is fairly new. Everybody should all check your channel line-up.
Quote from: valporun on November 13, 2014, 11:32:24 PM
Stl, the game is being shown on the SEC Network, which is a part of the ESPN family of networks, so you would be able to see it on ESPN3 after the game. You should be able to get the SEC Network, since Mizzou is an SEC school, kinda like how Lincoln, Nebraska, Maryland and parts of New Jersey for Rutgers get BTN.
I probably do, come to think of it. I'll have to search for it tonight.
UMKC 69
Misery 61
Valpo should be the favorite but I wouldn't bet too much money on that.
Did the Kangaroos storm the court?
It looks like they did!!!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1o8J8yXCruM/S2gYruimOqI/AAAAAAAADoQ/BQFrsMg_a0E/s400/kangaroo-court.gif)
I was hoping they would pull it out. Even in the post game Coach Gore said "I hope they win it". Now we're going to get an angry Mizzou and that's not going to be fun.
Quote from: Kyle321n on November 14, 2014, 11:11:21 PMNow we're going to get an angry Mizzou and that's not going to be fun.
Agreed. Plus the win won't mean quite as much otherwise. ;)
A friend of mine and I are making the trek from Lawrence to Columbia for the game. Much safer to wear a Valpo shirt in Columbia than a KU shirt (I still worry slightly about my car). Encouraged by the the newcomer's play and the overall play of Valpo last night. Would be nice to start the season 2-0 against some decent competition.
Will this game be on Comcast? If not can I view it online?
I will predict 75-62 Mizzou. I would go with VU on this one except (1) Mizzou just lost to UMKC and we will be probably be greeted by an inspired effort by the Tigers, and (2) VU has shown a near-total inability over the past 10 years to beat a BCS program. Hope I'm wrong.
Paul
The game will be televised on the SEC network. I intend to watch it. Go Valpo!
This team has 2 predominant qualities that Valpo teams of the past have had in limited quantities - team speed and athleticism. Unfortunately, they're young and inexperienced as well, so taking down a BCS opponent on the road (even one that is rebuilding) is a pretty tall order at this early stage.
I'm guessing this is not gonna be a close game for whoever wins. Either Mizzou will play an inspired effort or they'll be completely dejected. I think the key to this game will be the start can we come out guns blazing? If we do I like our chances. Mizzou can't be very confident after losing to the Roos of Mizzou, while our confidence is up after a nice win.
Mizzou has a lot of young players so they might try to force things that aren't there in the early going and a lot of times that equates to a slow start.
I'll be at the game so I'm just hoping Valpo will make it worth the 3 hour drive each way for me.
Interesting game the start is the key for both teams in this one.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 15, 2014, 10:01:29 AMWill this game be on Comcast? If not can I view it online?
Looks like ESPN 3, if you have an ESPN subscription and the SEC Network. Nothing else.
Quote from: historyman on November 15, 2014, 01:07:33 PMNothing else except for pirate feeds, links to which Ave Apostle certainly won't post in the chat or anything
fixed
Quote from: 78crusader on November 15, 2014, 10:22:29 AMVU has shown a near-total inability over the past 10 years to beat a BCS program
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Quote from: historyman on November 15, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 15, 2014, 10:01:29 AMWill this game be on Comcast? If not can I view it online?
Looks like ESPN 3, if you have an ESPN subscription and the SEC Network. Nothing else.
So do you need both or either??
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Can I ask what makes me a struggle to listen to?
Quote from: vu72 on November 15, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: historyman on November 15, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 15, 2014, 10:01:29 AMWill this game be on Comcast? If not can I view it online?
Looks like ESPN 3, if you have an ESPN subscription and the SEC Network. Nothing else.
So do you need both or either??
Either.
For instance I have DISH, so I went to the online programming guide and found the SEC Network on channel 408. I tried it, and whala there it was. Now I don't care one way or the other about ESPN 3.
Quote from: Brandon on November 15, 2014, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Can I ask what makes me a struggle to listen to?
Well this is awkward
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A win against Mizzou is a great win regardless of the talent on their team.
Quote from: Brandon on November 15, 2014, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Can I ask what makes me a struggle to listen to?
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Well, uhhhhh.......good luck on your career!
um...hearing aid batteries dying? wifi interference? narcolepsy?
or because
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I'm watching the Missouri-Texas A & M game on the SEC Network. They are advertising our game regularly!
Quote from: Brandon on November 15, 2014, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Can I ask what makes me a struggle to listen to?
I can't improve on what the poster said about his own comment - it is completely subjective and unfair. My kind advice to you is to simply ignore it. You're doing a fine job. Keep up the good work!
Quote from: wh on November 16, 2014, 01:12:10 AM
Quote from: Brandon on November 15, 2014, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Can I ask what makes me a struggle to listen to?
I can't improve on what the poster said about his own comment - it is completely subjective and unfair. My kind advice to you is to simply ignore it. You're doing a fine job. Keep up the good work!
Agree with this. My opinion has been that Brandon does a good job on the air and in his written articles. He works hard, does extensive preparation behind the scenes, and seems omnipresent at sporting events. It is amazing to realize he is a freshman.
Quick turnaround doesn't give Tigers much time to correct mistakes
http://www.columbiatribune.com/sports/mu_basketball/quick-turnaround-doesn-t-give-tigers-much-time-to-correct/article_9e652f1a-554c-5b14-ae97-3505b16b3075.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/sports/mu_basketball/quick-turnaround-doesn-t-give-tigers-much-time-to-correct/article_9e652f1a-554c-5b14-ae97-3505b16b3075.html)
Valparaiso seeks road upset
http://posttrib.chicagotribune.com/sports/colleges/31096776-419/mens-basketball-valparaiso-seeks-road-upset.html#.VGi0Z75FMZY (http://posttrib.chicagotribune.com/sports/colleges/31096776-419/mens-basketball-valparaiso-seeks-road-upset.html#.VGi0Z75FMZY)
Spread Missouri -6
If I were in Vegas, I would definitely bet Valpo getting 6.
For those Valpo fans going to the game, lets make some noise. Missouri only had 7100 for their opener against UMKC and it is cold and icy - so I would expect less for this game. This game is there for the taking if Valpo can play well.
I live about 5 minutes from Mizzou Arena, and my wife and I couldn't be more excited to see Valpo play. We have seen them play one time since graduating a few years back, a fairly lifeless loss to SLU, but that was a tourney team, much better than Mizzou is or will be for the next couple of years.
The line has dropped about a point in a day to MU -5. I almost wish Mizzou hadn't tanked against UMKC (10-20 last year in the WAC!), but maybe that means the Tigers are as awful as losing to the 'Roos entails.
It might not be hard to be louder than Mizzou's fans here, either. With the football team still on the forefront, deer season trumping most everything else, and the weather being much worse than usual November's, I would n't expect too many fans on a Sunday evening. People don't focus on basketball here like in Indiana until at least January. Attendance on opening night was right above 7,000.
I've read some absurdities on these boards from time to time, but the critique of Brandon may take the cake.
As a 19-20 year old sophomore in college, he does more prep work and due diligence than any media member. I can assure that as I work with him on a regular basis. In addition to covering anything and everything Valpo sports related, his coverage of local prep sports is excellent and unparalleled. Very few college students could juggle the full-time workload he does and be enrolled as a full-time student on top of it. Brandon's already a pro and will enjoy a long, successful career in whatever media-related field he decides to pursue.
Liking/disliking a voice is completely subjective. But if one can't appreciate the content and passion one puts into his craft, then you're truly missing out. I'm sure his professors would concur that he's the most talented and hardest-working communications student to come through Valpo since Adam Amin.
I think the only thing for Brandon to do is to ignore it and prove the comment wrong.
Does anyone know the alternate channel # for SEC network that Valpo/Mizzou game is on?
http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/299155/1/watch-valparaiso-vs-missouri-.html (http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/299155/1/watch-valparaiso-vs-missouri-.html)
JUBRIL,
KILL THE BUNNY!!!!!
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Thanks.
I was never so glad that the 5th set was not nearly as close as the other 4. Way to go MU women's volleyball! Thanks, Ole Miss volleyball!
Not a fan of Jubril this year...at all.
Unfortunate loss, but we didn't do enough in the second half. Not calling certain fouls aside (Peters and Vashil BS charges in a key stretch as well), our guys froze when they had open or step back looks. We still get those "big arena frights," regardless of the quality of BCS opponent. Shooting a wide open shot shouldn't be affected by gym size. I still think that we will have a good season.
Terrible game. Can't win when no one steps up besides EVic. Could've been a totally different game if Alec didn't get in foul trouble so early. Everytime Vashil gets the ball I cringe. He can't handle the ball well, score or ever rebound. He's not what I expected him to be this year. Not even close really. Jubril can not score without being down low. But even when he is down low he misses bunnies or gets the ball blocked. So many stupid fouls. Keith did not do well on the offensive side at all. Forced a lot of shots but that's okay since he technically is a freshman. Next year he will be a good player. Tevonn played well I think same goes with Skara. Man I can't wait for next year.
We now see the game plan for opposing coaches: try to get the refs to call fouls on Alec and take him out of the game. Along with him, the team flow leaves the court as well.
Also, as I have said after the past two games, my main concerns are poor team free throw shooting and the lack of production from two starters: Carter and Fernandez. Carter is now 2-16 in the exhibition and two regular season games. In the two regular season games, they have combined for only 7 total points. The free throw percentage in the first two regular season games is 63%.
On the positive side, potential shown by Skara, Nickerson, and the two Walkers. Also, I don't think it will be possible to control Alec's contributions in too many future games.
As I said in the ETSU thread it will be necessary for Carter, Nickerson, and Fernandez to all make significant and reliable contributions for this team to really blossom. On top of that we are already seeing some of the limitations that handicap Jubrils particular skill set.
I am in no way panicking but this team will take some time. I suggest that we all remain calm and show our patience.
Hard to take too many positives from a very bad showing. Next is the flat out speed of Tevonn. An incredible steal for Valpo. There may be others but I can't see them now. These early games will be tough on almost everyone as they get to know each other. Vashil may be my biggest disappointment going forward... :(
Tevon and EVic are steals. Jubril and Vashil are disappointments. I'm undecided on Keith. Jubril will probably end up being a mediocre player.
What was the point in bringing in chadwick?
What's the ppg average now? If this was "The Price Is Right" I would be sitting pretty on that prediction of 62.9.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 16, 2014, 07:38:05 PM
Tevon and EVic are steals. Jubril and Vashil are disappointments. I'm undecided on Keith. Jubril will probably end up being a mediocre player.
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At this point I agree. Right now we are "Rowdy v. Michigan State" Stop Alec (or allow him to stop himself) and stop the Crusaders.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 16, 2014, 07:38:05 PMTevon and EVic are steals. Jubril and Vashil are disappointments. I'm undecided on Keith. Jubril will probably end up being a mediocre player.
Not so fast on Jubril! He is 2 games into his sophomore season and has a great many positives. I will repeat for about the fourth time since the middle of last year that if he can find or develop a good shot near and at the 3 point line the floor will open up for him like the parting of the Red Sea.
Terrible showing. ??? I'm disappointed. The SEC announcers were far too generous when complimenting many of our players. You could tell that they (like all of us) were waiting for Alec to show up and lead the team. He never did. Alec was lumbering and ineffective. Don't get me started on Vashil. I don't understand what's up with Carter; he's far better than he's played so far.
There were times when Mizzou had 4 reserves on the court, and they still outplayed us. We continue to demonstrate that we don't belong on the court with BCS-type teams. We can destroy North-East-South-Whatever State all we want, but until we can stay with a low-tier major conference team, we're not ready for prime time.
I watched the game on tv with a couple of Mizzou fans. They were gracious, but it was embarrassing to sit through that game.
I think Keith really needs another point guard on our roster that can put some pressure on him to keep his starting spot. I'm not sure that Tevon Walker or Max Joseph could be that guy yet, but with some more games, I hope there is a challenge put to Keith to work on some of the things he's been struggling with so far, or else he'll wind up the first or second body off the bench in the rotation plans.
Alec was seemingly targeted by the officials during this game, otherwise he might have been in a lot longer. Hopefully, Wednesday is a chance to brush off some dust, but I'm not ready to say this should be a game where the starters see limited playing time. This team is too young for that right now. They need to work during this game, even if IUSB isn't going to be a huge challenge, our guys need to work hard during this game all the same. I'll have to watch these games a little closer to see about what Joseph and Chadwick really bring to the table. Also, if Alec said the most improved player was Nick Davidson, why has Nick sat the bench during both games this weekend? It seems like Nick is a walk-on holding a scholarship...
When was the last time Valpo has scored as low as 18 in a half? Michigan State in the NCAA tournament when the Crusaders scored 38?
Quote from: valporun on November 16, 2014, 08:33:31 PMTevon Walker
Just fyi, so we don't start a bad habit, Tevonn is spelled with two "n's."
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/2014-15/7381/tevonn-walker/#.VGlgRfnF-3g (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/2014-15/7381/tevonn-walker/#.VGlgRfnF-3g)
Quote from: valporun on November 16, 2014, 08:33:31 PMAlso, if Alec said the most improved player was Nick Davidson, why has Nick sat the bench during both games this weekend? It seems like Nick is a walk-on holding a scholarship...
I'm afraid Alec was trying to pump up Nick so he possibly doesn't leave. If you notice during the HL press conference in Chicago Bryce didn't agree but was even handed in his comment. I think Vashil was trying to help Alec in a well timed one-two punch, so to speak.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 16, 2014, 07:38:05 PMTevon and EVic are steals. Jubril and Vashil are disappointment
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Quote from: bbtds on November 16, 2014, 07:46:46 PM
What's the ppg average now? If this was "The Price Is Right" I would be sitting pretty on that prediction of 62.9.
already thought of that
Vashil will be fine and contribute average stats by middle of season (5-6 ppg, and 6+ rpg, 1-2 bpg). That would be enough for me to say that he had a good season. We are still feeling out our playing style, and once we figure it out, his role will be a little easier. Just like how we figured out how to use him last season, he will get it.
You know what's great. If we want to make the NCAA tournament, we don't have to beat a single BCS school! Also last year we beat Central Florida and last I checked the American Conference is a "Group of 5" conference.
Back to this game, it would be nice if Jubril or Vashil were studs like Alec, but we can't have 5 guys on the court who will light up the stat sheet every night. If they fill certain roles the team will be successful.
- Vashil needs to be on the court about 25 minutes a night and be a rim protector. Grab 6-7 rebounds, don't let guards have uncontested lay ups, and if you grab an offensive rebound go back up with it quickly and get an easy 2 points. The most frustrating part of his game for me is whenever he has the ball he brings it down to his chest or lower and then tries to go back up with it. That's a recipe for disaster especially when you don't have the best hands or the strongest frame. I know he's still "new" to basketball, but it's been 3 years, the coaches should have beaten that out of him by now.
- We saw flashes of what Jubril gives us. He's a solid ball handler and can get to the rim off the drive. At 6'7" or 6'8" (I think its more like 6'7", but you know how SIDs are with height) he's going to be able to frequently beat his man off the dribble. Now he needs to finish. As has been stated he's killing us by missing these bunnies, but that might be early season rust or jitters. I fully expect him to be draining those by December.
I still don't know what to expect from Keith, and frankly I fear he might be in a 2013 Dority situation, playing point when he's a more natural 2 guard. I don't know if Tevonn can take over the point or if we'd be better off with Darien or Max at the point, it's really too early for me to make any full assessment of who should be playing the point. I think Keith will be the answer at the end of the season, or I hope he will, but right now we're missing Lexus. He was a floor general and really had the offense rolling. On Friday every offensive possession went through Alec, which makes sense as the star of our team, but there's times when you need your PG to take over, get a pick and roll or motion set running and have your star act as more decoy for 2-3 minutes. Right now Keith has 7 assists to 2 TOs in 54 minutes. His first 60 minutes last year saw him have 9 assists to 7 turnovers so there's some improvement. I'm a little concerned about the scoring, but his defense is nothing to sneer at.
It was a painful game to watch. Always seems that we can't shoot against high-major opponents, 32% isn't gonna get it done against any team.
We were never able to get on a roll, I thought early in the second half when we took the lead we had a possession and had a chance to increase our lead, if we did that I think the outcome would've been different. Mizzou was able to get some momentum and were able to hit a few shots, we simply couldn't.
-As of now Jubril seems to lack the confidence to score, he's able to get a shot off and a decent one typically but it just won't fall. He reminds me a bit of KVW with his work around the rim and once the ball starts going in he's should average around 10 or so points a game.
-Alec, didn't look good. I know he was sick leading up to the game and picking up 2 early fouls could't of helped his rhythm. He was never able to get it going and wasn't open for many threes. Not too worried about Alec, saw what he can do last season and in the first game, so I'm just chalking his performance to being under the weather.
-Vashil, defensively I thought he played well. It would be nice if he got some of the offensive production we saw last season. Not asking much just 6-8 PPG. He does look better handling the ball than last season.
-Keith, seems to be stuck in a rut when it comes to shooting. Defensively he's very good and offensively hasn't been able to hit anything. I know from last season he's not a light's out 3 point shooter but he can make them. Yesterday, he was 0-4 from deep and had some open looks. He looks a lot better handling the ball and really only had one bad pass which led to his only turnover of the game.
-EVN, by far had the best game and once healthy shows what he brings to this team. He can shoot from anywhere and is incredibly athletic once he's fully healthy he should be a dominant player in the HL.
The game was a painful one. Our offense was dismal, we were able to get decent looks but they weren't falling. I think we saw what the offense can do when it's clicking, like it did Friday putting up 90 and we saw what it looks like when it's at its worse, yesterday. My guess is we'll average around 70 PPG this season. The defense was stellar last night only giving up 56 but when the offense shoots the way it did there wasn't much the defense could do.
Glad Wednesday's game is against an inferior opponent that we should beat by at least 30. Hopefully we can get some confidence back in our shooting, especially from Keith, Jubril, and Vashil since their offensive numbers have been lackluster.
After 2 games, like the Cavs in Cleveland, too soon to make rash generalizations about a young team with lots of newcomers. Particularly, the loss of Lexus is most glaring. The Carter has had to play point and he is mentally focused on making sure the O is set and run, plus play D. He is thinking pass first. The offense will come, but it is a huge adjustment and will take a few games. Eventually, we need some O from there. EVN is a player and we need him to rehab and be ready for 20-22 mins as soon as possible. We played 2 teams who really pressured our guards, expect more. Joseph will have to step up and give some quality mins for Carter. Jubril needs to be doing the Mikan drill for hours!!. And, we tend to forget that on the road, especially a Big 5 Conference school, you have to go strong to the rack. We were getting clobbered and no calls. Not an excuse, but can't be looking for those pass interference calls. Can't expect them and need to run those Mich State tackling drills. Winning on the road is tough folks. I am encouraged with the way the newcomers are playing, however, and unfortunately they've raised our expectation levels. We need to breathe deeply and remember 6-2 for November will still be good and is still very reachable. As Al McGuire said, "You've got good talent, but we all know the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores."
Keith has to score. 3 points in 2 games? The biggest problem at the moment. If he can hit a couple of 3's the pressure on Alec will change. Right now you can guard Alec and others (against a Big conference opponent) have to step up. I really like what I saw from E. Victor. Getting him back to meaningful minutes will change everything.
After the games on Friday, both Missouri and our game, I knew that we were coming off of season opening high, and they were coming off a low. Is this what meteorologists call a perfect storm? With all of the new faces this season, Bryce has his hands full in finding the combinations that work during each game. Looking forward to the rest of this November stretch, as we should have many opportunities to find ourselves and path forward.
Yeah, I was aggravated by the bad shooting. We do seem to choke our open shots in these big school games.
However, I do think we matched up athletically with a Big 6 conference team. That was never the case in eyes when we played so smart with Kevin, Rowdy and Buggs. We have some horses now with Alec and with E. Victor looking like the good D-1 athlete he is. It will take a long time to mesh, but I do see good things ahead in January and likely earlier. Nashville should be a good barometer.
Quote from: Brandon on November 15, 2014, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 13, 2014, 08:30:04 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 13, 2014, 08:27:14 PMIs listening to soccer better or worse than watching soccer? But seriously congrats to the women!!
Brandon Vickery is still a struggle to listen to. That's completely subjective and probably unfair, but I find it difficult.
Can I ask what makes me a struggle to listen to?
gulp, I didn't realize you were on this board :-[
As I think someone else mentioned, I'm annoyed by a ton of announcers, most of them professional, so I'm probably way too picky.
I was in the worst seat in the house (1st row right behind the Valpo bench), so take all this with a grain of salt:
I consider Jubril to be a hard worker on the boards. I think I saw him muscle down defensive rebounds in a crowd of white jerseys a couple of times. The not hitting the bunny thing? Yeah, not so good, though a number of Valpo players were stricken with that disease.
Frankly, I was expecting a loss, and it had nothing to do with the fact that Mizzou failed to make the usual late game comeback against UMKC. I heard Todd express the fervent wish that Mizzou outlast UMKC so that Valpo has a better chance of catching them napping, but I'm not sure it works that way.
Now, if Valpo could have played this game on Friday and let UMKC play them on Sunday, that's a different story. But even if the Tigers had pulled out the victory on Friday, I think they still would have beaten us yesterday. I think the only difference is that they would have started to figure things out sooner, that's all.
I sat near two KU fans who were there as friends of Chadwick and they both rooted for Valpo because of the bitter rivalry between the Jayhawks and the Tigers.
I thought the game was called pretty fairly. I saw a couple of ticky-tack fouls called, but on both sides, I think.
I can't back this up with anything concrete, but I too get the vibe that Keith Carter is struggling with his role or something. If I perceived correctly, Bryce was upset with him a couple of times during the game. On a lighter note, twice I saw Bryce smile at Vashiell while trying to help him understand why he just blew a dunk or lost the handle on the ball or why his legs caused him to commit a senseless foul that one time on defense. It's like he knows he's got a project on his hands even now and is bringing the patience as plentifully as he can.
From court level and sitting down, Kim Anderson is a giant of a man. He looked like 7 footer from where I sat.
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 17, 2014, 03:54:00 PMIt will take a long time to mesh, but I do see good things ahead in January and likely earlier.
This seems to be an issue every year. Why does it seem that Valpo needs November/December to mesh, but other teams are ready to go in November? Does Valpo have more roster turnover? Does the Valpo system take longer to grasp because it's more complex? I don't know the answer, so I'm just throwing it out there.
As for Carter, I don't think he's played poorly, but he certainly hasn't lived up to expectations. A few posters here always over-hype incoming players, but with Carter, the lofty expectations came from insiders with in-depth knowledge of basketball and the program. I'd be interested in hearing what Todd and Paul think of Carter's play so far. Is it what they expected/predicted? If not, do they have any idea why?
Again, let's not forget how young our team is...I think at one time we had 3 frosh and 2 sophs on the floor in the ETSU game
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 17, 2014, 09:04:25 PMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 17, 2014, 03:54:00 PMIt will take a long time to mesh, but I do see good things ahead in January and likely earlier.
This seems to be an issue every year. Why does it seem that Valpo needs November/December to mesh, but other teams are ready to go in November? Does Valpo have more roster turnover? Does the Valpo system take longer to grasp because it's more complex? I don't know the answer, so I'm just throwing it out there. As for Carter, I don't think he's played poorly, but he certainly hasn't lived up to expectations. A few posters here always over-hype incoming players, but with Carter, the lofty expectations came from insiders with in-depth knowledge of basketball and the program. I'd be interested in hearing what Todd and Paul think of Carter's play so far. Is it what they expected/predicted? If not, do they have any idea why?
Good stuff, Eddie, I totally agree, but I'm sure that doesn't surprise anyone.
We tend to offer excuses when even the coaches and players don't have any.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 17, 2014, 09:04:25 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 17, 2014, 03:54:00 PMIt will take a long time to mesh, but I do see good things ahead in January and likely earlier.
This seems to be an issue every year. Why does it seem that Valpo needs November/December to mesh, but other teams are ready to go in November? Does Valpo have more roster turnover? Does the Valpo system take longer to grasp because it's more complex? I don't know the answer, so I'm just throwing it out there.
As for Carter, I don't think he's played poorly, but he certainly hasn't lived up to expectations. A few posters here always over-hype incoming players, but with Carter, the lofty expectations came from insiders with in-depth knowledge of basketball and the program. I'd be interested in hearing what Todd and Paul think of Carter's play so far. Is it what they expected/predicted? If not, do they have any idea why?
Come on Eddie, Carter has been forced into playing a new position and it is painfully obvious that he is struggling to figure it out and be in control of himself and the offense. Come back after X-mas if you want to criticize his point guard game and you might find that he isn't even playing it. If he starts playing the 2 again and is still stuck in this rut then heck I might even join in with you for the Carter boot stomping but until then I am going to give him some slack and I suggest that you do the same.
As for team expectations this will be a very good team but I doubt that it will come completely together until about January of 2016. By then the folks on this board (including myself) may be doing a bunch of strutting and crowing!
Carter is technically a freshman. If the NCAA transfer ruler weren't so screwed up we wouldn't be asking any questions and simply blaming it on his lack of inexperience. He also got thrown into a new position. It's tough, we just need to have some patience he hasn't even played s full season.
Quote from: atkins on November 16, 2014, 08:24:03 PMThere were times when Mizzou had 4 reserves on the court, and they still outplayed us. We continue to demonstrate that we don't belong on the court with BCS-type teams. We can destroy North-East-South-Whatever State all we want, but until we can stay with a low-tier major conference team, we're not ready for prime time.
Perfectly stated. "Small time" popped in my head as the game unfolded. As it does every year. Again and again and again and again. Sigh.
Thinking about our roster, we have one four-year senior on this team, and that's Vashil, correct? This might be part of our problem. We're relying too much on transfers and freshmen and sophomores to be the brunt of our roster. Most of the experienced mid-majors have 3-4 guys per year that have been playing together their entire college career, not having teammates leave after a year or two for the pros or another school. I hope that we can keep the class of 2017 intact all four years, and use that experience to make some noise and do some damage in the HL. Until then, our Novembers and Decembers will continue being teams meshing to get the right fit and game time to get their legs underneath them. I hate it as much as you all do, but that's the sad nature of the beast that is today's college athletics.
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 17, 2014, 06:51:49 PM
I was in the worst seat in the house (1st row right behind the Valpo bench), so take all this with a grain of salt:
I consider Jubril to be a hard worker on the boards. I think I saw him muscle down defensive rebounds in a crowd of white jerseys a couple of times. The not hitting the bunny thing? Yeah, not so good, though a number of Valpo players were stricken with that disease.
Frankly, I was expecting a loss, and it had nothing to do with the fact that Mizzou failed to make the usual late game comeback against UMKC. I heard Todd express the fervent wish that Mizzou outlast UMKC so that Valpo has a better chance of catching them napping, but I'm not sure it works that way.
Now, if Valpo could have played this game on Friday and let UMKC play them on Sunday, that's a different story. But even if the Tigers had pulled out the victory on Friday, I think they still would have beaten us yesterday. I think the only difference is that they would have started to figure things out sooner, that's all.
I sat near two KU fans who were there as friends of Chadwick and they both rooted for Valpo because of the bitter rivalry between the Jayhawks and the Tigers.
I thought the game was called pretty fairly. I saw a couple of ticky-tack fouls called, but on both sides, I think.
I can't back this up with anything concrete, but I too get the vibe that Keith Carter is struggling with his role or something. If I perceived correctly, Bryce was upset with him a couple of times during the game. On a lighter note, twice I saw Bryce smile at Vashiell while trying to help him understand why he just blew a dunk or lost the handle on the ball or why his legs caused him to commit a senseless foul that one time on defense. It's like he knows he's got a project on his hands even now and is bringing the patience as plentifully as he can.
From court level and sitting down, Kim Anderson is a giant of a man. He looked like 7 footer from where I sat.
Kim Anderson also has an extremely low-pitched voice. They started the postgame interview with him, and his voice caught me totally off guard, causing a double take.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 17, 2014, 10:42:35 PM
Carter is technically a freshman. If the NCAA transfer ruler weren't so screwed up we wouldn't be asking any questions and simply blaming it on his lack of inexperience. He also got thrown into a new position. It's tough, we just need to have some patience he hasn't even played s full season.
I agree that we should cut him some slack, but he's not "technically a freshman". He's "technically a sophomore", albeit one unfortunately who is likely already in his penultimate year of eligibility. "Technical freshmen" don't start their first year with 25 D1 games under their belt, and almost 2 full years in their new program.
And he IS a point guard, not someone learning a "new position". At his joining VU nearly 2 (!) years ago:
Quote"I'm just a leader, a pass-first point guard, someone that will make the team better," Carter said on Wednesday.
And of course the Majerus quote that may provide some of the expectations he is wrestling with:
QuoteThe Billikens have a stud freshman guard coming in, a kid named Keith Carter out of Chicago who Majerus has openly said will be the second-best floor leader he's ever coached behind NBA veteran Andre Miller.
"Floor leader" being lingo for PG, which obviously Andre Miller is.
Bottom line: he IS a PG, has been a PG, and has been in college basketball for over two years, although only able to practice for a year of that. We can cut him some slack, and should--but his recruiting profile and history are what make us expect more than we've seen so far.
Quote from: justducky on November 17, 2014, 10:31:32 PMCome on Eddie, Carter has been forced into playing a new position and it is painfully obvious that he is struggling to figure it out and be in control of himself and the offense. Come back after X-mas if you want to criticize his point guard game and you might find that he isn't even playing it. If he starts playing the 2 again and is still stuck in this rut then heck I might even join in with you for the Carter boot stomping but until then I am going to give him some slack and I suggest that you do the same.
Me thinks I didn't explain myself clearly. I said I didn't think he was playing poorly. I was just pointing out that because the expectations were so high (some predicted he would be All-League as soon as LAST SEASON), he can be a solid player and still be a disappointment to some. I didn't intend to be critical of him at all ... he didn't set those expectations and I'm sure he's doing the best he can to learn the point.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 17, 2014, 09:04:25 PM
This seems to be an issue every year. Why does it seem that Valpo needs November/December to mesh, but other teams are ready to go in November? Does Valpo have more roster turnover? Does the Valpo system take longer to grasp because it's more complex? I don't know the answer, so I'm just throwing it out there.
Are you serious?
92 of 200 minutes (46%) filled by players in game-2 of their 1st season in a Valpo uniform
90 of 200 minutes (45%) filled by players in game-2 of their 2nd season in a Valpo uniform
18 of 200 minutes (9%) filled by the 1 player in game-2 of his 3rd season in a Valpo uniform
0 of 200 minutes (0%) filled by players in game-2 of their 4th season in a Valpo uniform
Other contributing factors:
Last year's starting point guard lost for the season due to injury
EVN still recovering from major off-season surgery
Now, if we're discussing "chemistry" issues next year at the same time, or even 2 seasons from now at the same time, you may have a point.
That is very true and a helpful analysis. Obviously 2 years ago everyone else was having those problems and we didn't.
During Mizzou, unfortunately, I did think of the classic Larry Brown quote, "we played like strangers".
I think we're selling Mizzou a bit short - they're a young team with a load of 3-4 star recruits in the past two years, including 2 ESPN top 100 recruits. UMKC actually played Kansas State well, and they were leading at half to them in their second game. Mizzou's youth showed in their first game. Ours showed in our second.
Traveling across the country after playing Friday, and then having a day to prepare for a road game is a bad spot for Valpo, whether they're playing Mizzou, Murray State, or any other school of similar caliber. I don't really think it has to do with jitters of playing a team in a ignorantly labeled "BCS School" - I think it has to do with playing a talented team poorly on the road, something which we'll do plenty of this year.
If only we would have played Missouri during their conference season. Four suspended players, 9 losses in a row and a 83-61 loss to Texas A&M.
http://video.stltoday.com/Mizzou-loses-ninth-straight--28519865?playlistId=13083 (http://video.stltoday.com/Mizzou-loses-ninth-straight--28519865?playlistId=13083)
The time we played them shouldn't be an excuse, as we have a better team than them, and played like crap in the second half of that game. You could tell that game was going to haunt us like Nebraska a few seasons ago, knowing that both teams were going to be the bottom of their league.
The Valpo - Missouri game in November was probably the most painful game that I have ever seen in person. Both teams were horrible, and Missouri only won because they improved to "horrible +" for the better part of the second half.
Bringing up this post reminds me of something else about this game. A friend of mine and I got there about an hour early and we found the people there to be the most unfriendly and unwelcoming people that I have ever met. I have been to games at Washington, Wisconsin, Marquette, Notre Dame, Arizona, Loyola, Butler and Kansas and I have always found the people to be mildly friendly to very welcoming and interested about our team and our school. At Missouri, the people around us were anything but friendly and talked like Valparaiso was a third rate school (despite knowing anything about them). Worse, their student section had about 25 students arrive an hour early and they stood there and personally taunted each Valpo player regarding their name, body or some history that they looked up. In the course of a game in a crowded stadium, this can be OK - but an hour before the game shows no class.
Quote from: vu84v2 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:29 AMWorse, their student section had about 25 students arrive an hour early and they stood there and personally taunted each Valpo player regarding their name, body or some history that they looked up. In the course of a game in a crowded stadium, this can be OK - but an hour before the game shows no class.
"We are Mizzou, We are Mizzou, So who are you?"
"We Are Mizzou" Music Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vMfqosdDbY#ws)
Must be really tough being a Mizzou fan now!
Hey, Hurray, Hurrah, Mizzou, Mizzou, Hurray, Hurrah, Mizzou, Mizzou, Hey, Hurray, Hurrah, Mizzou, Mizzou, Mizzoou-rah, Mizzooou-rah....Tigers.....
Oh God....Nine losses in a row.....our team is made of deviants and we suck!
I was watching getting blown away by Texas A&M Saturday night, and they were brutal. They are certainly not helping Valpo's Sagarin rating.
Meh, so what though. Valpo needs revenge on Woogie Boogie Friday night!
Not trying to make excuses, but the reality was that we were playing the first road game of the year, after two complete cupcakes at home. We played six guys who were playing effectively the first real game in a Valpo uniform. Couple that with Alec getting into very early foul trouble and there you have it. Given all that, we were only down one at half. What we have now is a completely different team. No comparison.
Next year there will be no such reasons for a poor performance on the road against bigger schools. We will have the upper hand playing teams with new players trying to find their roles.
Quote from: vu72 on February 09, 2015, 09:44:36 AM
Not trying to make excuses, but the reality was that we were playing the first road game of the year, after two complete cupcakes at home. We played six guys who were playing effectively the first real game in a Valpo uniform. Couple that with Alec getting into very early foul trouble and there you have it. Given all that, we were only down one at half. What we have now is a completely different team. No comparison.
Next year there will be no such reasons for a poor performance on the road against bigger schools. We will have the upper hand playing teams with new players trying to find their roles.
Problem I see next year is that we don't have a rim protector.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 09, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
Problem I see next year is that we don't have a rim protector.
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/17881864231409208515?q=rim+protector&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1234&bih=664&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.85464276,d.eXY&tch=1&ech=1&psi=M9vYVJj_F4qggwTNr4O4DQ.1423498036223.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraXyIJQpBwVdep-s8ZVd4slj4whdCOWkKoAC6qAoG05uQA6GvR-UmtF8jNYx1w2jkHJke_M0McuZOs2OCgt9l-TEvJg9VLtsI7qbAAn2p7wfLhl84ijRIZAFPVH709JYBPo9rckEUGvnv76rEnr-P6ow&ei=N9vYVMuZAsymgwSqzYOoCw&ved=0CJABEKYrMAA (https://www.google.com/shopping/product/17881864231409208515?q=rim+protector&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1234&bih=664&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.85464276,d.eXY&tch=1&ech=1&psi=M9vYVJj_F4qggwTNr4O4DQ.1423498036223.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraXyIJQpBwVdep-s8ZVd4slj4whdCOWkKoAC6qAoG05uQA6GvR-UmtF8jNYx1w2jkHJke_M0McuZOs2OCgt9l-TEvJg9VLtsI7qbAAn2p7wfLhl84ijRIZAFPVH709JYBPo9rckEUGvnv76rEnr-P6ow&ei=N9vYVMuZAsymgwSqzYOoCw&ved=0CJABEKYrMAA)
they're just 85 bucks
you can get them online
or at zionsville hs
Haha, so we don't have to go to Jamaica to find one?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 09, 2015, 10:08:11 AM
they're just 85 bucks
you can get them online
or at zionsville hs
Speaking of the 7 footer from Zionsville, the Z-Eagles haven't lost since the tournament in Richmond. They have beaten HSE, Pike Twp (home of the Teagues), Brownsburg (Hayward's school & where Nored coached) and Decatur Central (the game in my backyard). Unfortunately I missed that game on Saturday because my wife had me going to one of her company dinners where I played on my phone all night.