I hereby declare the previous thread to be Olde Mexico.
Let's discuss Tertullian, who I believe is the founder of Trinity International, and such here.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/28itf7d.jpg)
Trinity International runs a tricky defense that looks like a man-to-man but is also simultaneously a 1-3-1 zone.
Obviously they run the triangle offense, and...
...ok i'm done.
for now.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 08, 2014, 10:19:34 PMTrinity International runs a tricky defense that looks like a man-to-man but is also simultaneously a 1-3-1 zone. Obviously they run the triangle offense, and... ...ok i'm done. for now.
Yes, they on occasion run a triangle offense but with a flair for the international basketball rough style of play? Many times the big centers (if you can call them that) do a lot of banging with like-sized opponents. In Trin Int'l's case it means with Valpo's guards. ;)
Do they call time out at the 10 minute mark of each half so they can call it the 2nd & 4th quarters? Do they stand on the edge of a trapazoid 3 second zone/lane for free throws?
Aha! FIBA rules don't have a trapazoid lane anymore!!!!! :o
http://www.fiba.com/downloads/Rules/2010/OfficialBasketballRules2010.pdf (http://www.fiba.com/downloads/Rules/2010/OfficialBasketballRules2010.pdf)
Valpo 92
Trinity International 56
Perhaps Bill Hybels from Willow Creek Church, a Trinity Int'l Anum, can conduct a mini Global Leadership Summit at halftime!
http://www.willowcreek.com/events/leadership/ (http://www.willowcreek.com/events/leadership/)
Anyway, I would rather see Valpo face more local competition like DePaul, Loyola, Ball State, Butler or Evansville than face ham and eggers in December.
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 09, 2014, 06:13:21 AMAnyway, I would rather see Valpo face more local competition like DePaul, Loyola, Ball State, Butler or Evansville than face ham and eggers in December.
Again. Again. Again.
I don't remember who started the metaphor but if you are only attractive to yourself nobody is going to date you. Why play at the ARC? Why play Valpo when you can beat a Loyola or UIC or Chicago State or Ball State or IUPUI in the same area or state?
Since the Horizon league does not distinguish between D1, D2, D3, or NAIA competition when giving weekly awards; perhaps this is a good week to win by 40, not improve at all as a team, and collect some weekly honors so that we can feel good about ourselves in the process! *Sigh*
Quote from: historyman on December 09, 2014, 07:51:46 AMI don't remember who started the metaphor but if you are only attractive to yourself nobody is going to date you.
He who has a date with Rosey Palm, has no date at all.
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 09, 2014, 10:10:27 AM
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EVERYBODY BLAMES THE LUTHERANS!
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 09, 2014, 06:13:21 AMAnyway, I would rather see Valpo face more local competition like DePaul, Loyola, Ball State, Butler or Evansville than face ham and eggers in December.
I think we all would. The trouble is getting them scheduled. I would like to believe that like minded institutions that believe in the student-athlete and keeping them in class as much as possible would welcome the home-and-home series that is just short drive away. This logic somehow does not compute with those that "do not want to
lose be embarrassed by a school like Valpo. I would think that DePaul and Evansville are no longer elite enough to still have these feelings, but getting them to commit to home-and-homes just hasn't happened.
I'd also like see more home-and-homes with MAC, OVC and MVC schools, even a double header in a location where all teams have a fair number of alumni.
I think that some players will be padding their playing minutes, while others practice their cheering. When in the game, each player needs to take each minute, shot and defensive situation seriously - not even thinking about the score.
Valpo 102
Trinity 49
We should win in a blowout, and normally I would complain about this type of game on the schedule. But after our performance against New Mexico I believe this is needed to regain a little confidence. Especially for guys like Darien or Jubril. Seeing the ball go into the basket a couple more times in a game like this can bust anyone out of a mini slump. Good game for us to take what was worked on in practice and take it to the court as well.
Quote from: valpo4life on December 09, 2014, 01:26:51 PMI believe this is needed to regain a little confidence
good point.
Good game to have on the schedule after such a dismal performance. Time to regain the swagger!
Here's the TIU roster
1 Tommie Ramsey Sr. G 6-0 185 Chicago, Ill. / Black Hawk East CC
3 Justin Peeples Sr. G 6-0 180 Chicago, Ill. / Timothy Christian HS <<Starter>>
4 Josh Markum Jr. G 6-0 180 Mission Viejo, Calif. / Saddleback Christian HS
5 Sean Smith So. G 6-0 190 LaGrange, Ill. / Homeschool
10 Dillon Wadsack Sr. G 6-1 190 San Antonio, Tex. / Ramstein HS
15 David Chatman Jr. F 6-4 200 Chicago, Ill. / Kishwaukee CC <<starter>>
21 Joshua Ajayi Fr. G 6-1 175 Beltsville, Md. / Montrose Christian HS <<starter>>
22 James Glass Jr. F/C 6-7 205 Archamps, France / Valencia HS (Calif.) <<starter>>
23 Thomas Amrine So. G 6-1 180 Ramstein, Germany / Ramstein HS
32 Deon Garrett So. F 6-5 240 Chicago, Ill. / Ventura College
33 Paul Badgley Sr. F 6-4 195 Rushville, Ind. / North Decatur HS
34 Nate Ball Sr. C 6-7 210 Galena, Ill. / Tri-State Christian HS <<Starter>>
45 Sam Salem Sr. G/F 6-4 190 Maple Grove, Minn. / Maple Grove HS
and here's the link to their season statistics through their 1-9 start (the two games in Fairbanks Alaska were exhibition games)... they've lost 9 straight.
http://tiutrojans.com/custompages/stats/basketball_m/2014-15/teamcume.htm (http://tiutrojans.com/custompages/stats/basketball_m/2014-15/teamcume.htm)
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2014, 04:18:20 PMRamstein, Germany / Ramstein HS
DUUUUUUU.
DU HAAAAAAAST...
Let me just guess that Vashil will set a new single game record for blocks. I'll think of other records to fall...give me a few more minutes
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 09, 2014, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2014, 04:18:20 PMRamstein, Germany / Ramstein HS
DUUUUUUU.
DU HAAAAAAAST...
Die Ramstein Koenig. (ein Loewe)
(http://www.dodea.edu/Europe/Kaiserslautern/Kaiserslautern/images/RHS_Logo.png)
http://www.dodea.edu/Europe/Kaiserslautern/Ramstein/RamsteinHS/about.cfm (http://www.dodea.edu/Europe/Kaiserslautern/Ramstein/RamsteinHS/about.cfm)
What cheer starts with "You have......?"
He already part-shares the old one (with the Moose) -- 7. Vashil's was against UIC and Moussa's against Oakland 8 days later.
Btw, Vashil up to 96 now. Whoops better update the record thread.
Quote from: bbtds on December 09, 2014, 09:43:57 PMWhat cheer starts with "You have......?"
Rammstein - Du Hast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzGKsXPBILw#)
Aaaaaaahaaaaa!
(http://wonderdonkey.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/excited-man.jpg)
Never heard of that song before!
(http://www.lifed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/man-bored-with-his-job.jpg)
I think Valpo could get a home and home with Northwestern or DePaul. Both programs suck and I think it would get a decent Chicagoland following. They have not faced each other since 1979 and 1980, respectively.
I doubt that NW or DePaul want a home and home with Valpo, or really even a single game at their place. It would only hurt their recruiting to lose to us.
As much as so many of you dislike the idea of this game on the schedule, having TIU coming in after 5 games in 9 days brings what should be a welcome respite for the starters and major minutes guys. This will mean, hopefully, seeing Davidson, Chadwick, Joseph, and a couple others getting some minutes because we shouldn't have to rely on the Walkers, Carter, Peters, and Vashil for the entire game. The guys needed this game as a confidence rebuilder, even if it ends up a blowout, they needed a game to get back on track before Ball State on Saturday. As Bryce said in the preview, a lot of teams use this week as a time to get some non-D-I games in to rest tired legs, banged up/bruised bodies, and a chance to rest some guys. Fans don't like to see these games, but they are what the guys need after a tough holiday/early December schedule of tournament play and travel. Would you really want us scheduling a crappy RPI D-I team, whether from a major or lower, or would you rather have a game that doesn't count against the RPI, so guys can get a bit of a rest? Also, D-I schools take it a little easier these two weeks or so because of finals. They want the guys to focus more on classes and grades, before the needed break from classes and the start of conference play in late December/early January.
Yes, we'll win this game tomorrow night, but it will be a necessary game to get the guys out of their funk, and get a couple of guys some rest after bruises and tiredness from the travel over the holiday and such.
Quote from: valporun on December 10, 2014, 12:31:29 AMWould you really want us scheduling a crappy RPI D-I team, whether from a major or lower, or would you rather have a game that doesn't count against the RPI, so guys can get a bit of a rest?
I agree with you, but not everyone here does. PLEASE Y'ALL DON'T START THAT ARGUMENT UP AGAIN
LOOKING AT YOU BIG D
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 09, 2014, 10:19:19 PM
I think Valpo could get a home and home with Northwestern or DePaul. Both programs suck and I think it would get a decent Chicagoland following. They have not faced each other since 1979 and 1980, respectively.
What we need is to have a three year contract for a double header at the United Center. Northwestern, DePaul, Valpo and either Loyola or Notre Dame. Two games and an alumni gathering for each team. Switch teams each of the next two years. Maybe, just maybe, if we strike up a relationship with each school and the coaches and ADs become friendly, then we can schedule some one-and-ones with these teams.
Quote from: covufan on December 10, 2014, 11:31:19 AMQuote from: usc4valpo on December 09, 2014, 10:19:19 PMI think Valpo could get a home and home with Northwestern or DePaul. Both programs suck and I think it would get a decent Chicagoland following. They have not faced each other since 1979 and 1980, respectively.
What we need is to have a three year contract for a double header at the United Center. Northwestern, DePaul, Valpo and either Loyola or Notre Dame. Two games and an alumni gathering for each team. Switch teams each of the next two years. Maybe, just maybe, if we strike up a relationship with each school and the coaches and ADs become friendly, then we can schedule some one-and-ones with these teams.
And the first thing that the sports fans in Chicago would say is "who invited Valpo?" Why not get Marquette, Saint Louis, Butler or Illinois. Valpo has only beat major teams a few times.
Quote from: historyman on December 10, 2014, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: covufan on December 10, 2014, 11:31:19 AMQuote from: usc4valpo on December 09, 2014, 10:19:19 PMI think Valpo could get a home and home with Northwestern or DePaul. Both programs suck and I think it would get a decent Chicagoland following. They have not faced each other since 1979 and 1980, respectively.
What we need is to have a three year contract for a double header at the United Center. Northwestern, DePaul, Valpo and either Loyola or Notre Dame. Two games and an alumni gathering for each team. Switch teams each of the next two years. Maybe, just maybe, if we strike up a relationship with each school and the coaches and ADs become friendly, then we can schedule some one-and-ones with these teams.
And the first thing that the sports fans in Chicago would say is "who invited Valpo?" Why not get Marquette, Saint Louis, Butler or Illinois. Valpo has only beat major teams a few times.
Yeah, no one said it would be an easy sell, but I like the idea. This is where we live, where we successfully recruit, where our media connection is. Anything we can do to build a greater presence is a good thing. I also think the timing could be right. Hopefully, we will build a great record this year, and the skys the limit the next 2 or 3 years minimum. It's time to do something bold and creative.
I believe we played Northwestern for a number of years, but is has been quite awhile ago. I like the one and one with the Chicago area schools. Like you stated, with the number of Chicago area recruits it would help the crowds both in Chicago and Valpo.
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2014, 12:55:50 PM
I believe we played Northwestern for a number of years, but is has been quite awhile ago. I like the one and one with the Chicago area schools. Like you stated, with the number of Chicago area recruits it would help the crowds both in Chicago and Valpo.
Actually, of Notre Dame, DePaul and Northwestern, we have played Notre Dame most recently and have the most history. We started playing them in 1920-21 and most recently in 2002-2003, at The United Center, a game we lost by 2. Overall our record is 3-37
Both Northwestern and DePaul were most recently played in the season 1979-80. The Northwestern history started in 1967-68 and stands at 2-8.
DePaul started in 1953-54 and stands at 8-16.
It has been a long time since we have played either DePaul or Northwestern. Those would be good games and very well attended given our considerably alumni base in Chicagoland.
Quote from: wh on December 10, 2014, 12:03:27 PMYeah, no one said it would be an easy sell, but I like the idea. This is where we live, where we successfully recruit, where our media connection is. Anything we can do to build a greater presence is a good thing. I also think the timing could be right. Hopefully, we will build a great record this year, and the skys the limit the next 2 or 3 years minimum. It's time to do something bold and creative.
I just love your aggressive
can do attitude! Folks, I think it is time for us to assemble an angry mob and much like the French Revolution drag the old "scheduling king" out on to the street to face the chopping block while we hoist wh on to our shoulders and anoint him our beloved new "king".
Trust me-- You would love this job. It is an ultra-exciting challenge that could totally consume a person with your type of drive (the pay is probably also pretty good). One thing you might want to think about though, is what might happen if the mob gets angry angry again!
I don't make predictions, but this one is one I'm confident in.
Valpo: 114
Trinity: 3
So...we're like, playing a game and stuff right now. That's cool.
Vashil blocked 4, getting him to triple digits and tying him with Rowdy.
wait, wrong thread.
Tickets to this game may have been overpriced.
still wrong thread.
hm.
Nickerson didn't play!
This fulfills my contractual obligation to say something game-related.
Also, I know plus-minus is a wonky stat in b-ball, but Vashil and Tevonn managed a plus-35, while Davidson and Adekoya...firmly in the negs. (-10 & -7, respectively; that's hard to do in a game you win by 25.)
I expected lights out shooting from the team after the last game. Still struggling to make outside shots - wad going this game would build some shooting confidence.
Tuned in to the beginning of this one, watched for a couple minutes as Davidson and Jubril appeared to be inferior to the other team. So I discontinued my viewing and just checked the score every now and then. Hopefully we come to play Saturday.
Valpo plays a very poor inside game. When driving one on one and taking their man to the basket Valpo is much better except for Adekoya. I think if Valpo had been playing Ball State tonight the Crusaders would have lost. Until the outside shots start falling we are not going to win many games.
I don't usually enjoy games like this one because I think it is very difficult to judge the play, especially since so many unusual combinations of players are on the court for the Crusaders. Therefore, a number of mistakes were made simply since the players didn't seem used to working with one another. In addition, the combined playing time for Davidson, Chadwick, and Joseph added up to 53 minutes. On the positive side, some of the supporting players got game experience they otherwise wouldn't, plus starters had a chance to rest before the next game. Nickerson even sat out the game entirely, so he will be ready to play on Saturday. It will be interesting to see if the team can return to its normal pattern of play and get off to a fast start against Ball State. Nevertheless, the game did seem to be a confidence booster for the backcourt of Carter and T. Walker, as Tevonn led the way with 15 points, including the basket below.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2vi49e0.jpg)
I'm afraid that Darien Walker is now officially mired in a mini shooting slump. Over the past 3 games he is shooting 5-27 from the field (18.5%) and 2-12 from 3 (17%). This contrasts with a combined 38-79 (48%) and 17-36 (47%) from 3 in the 8 games prior. I wasn't at the Trinity game, but some of his shots against NM were so misdirected they barely drew iron to the left or right. I hope he comes around against Ball State, or we may find ourselves struggling to scratch out a win.
Quote from: justducky on December 10, 2014, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: wh on December 10, 2014, 12:03:27 PMYeah, no one said it would be an easy sell, but I like the idea. This is where we live, where we successfully recruit, where our media connection is. Anything we can do to build a greater presence is a good thing. I also think the timing could be right. Hopefully, we will build a great record this year, and the skys the limit the next 2 or 3 years minimum. It's time to do something bold and creative.
I just love your aggressive can do attitude! Folks, I think it is time for us to assemble an angry mob and much like the French Revolution drag the old "scheduling king" out on to the street to face the chopping block while we hoist wh on to our shoulders and anoint him our beloved new "king".
Trust me-- You would love this job. It is an ultra-exciting challenge that could totally consume a person with your type of drive (the pay is probably also pretty good). One thing you might want to think about though, is what might happen if the mob gets angry angry again!
LOL...In all seriousness the more I learn about the challenges of scheduling at the mid major level, the more I have come to respect the job that Luke Gore and others do at Valpo. I'm sure that no one wants to put together a challenging schedule filled with quality opponents more than they do.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 10, 2014, 08:50:56 PM
Also, I know plus-minus is a wonky stat in b-ball, but Vashil and Tevonn managed a plus-35, while Davidson and Adekoya...firmly in the negs. (-10 & -7, respectively; that's hard to do in a game you win by 25.)
That's...not right, at least for Davidson. Quickly scanning the PBP, he had four stints in the game:
Start of game - (-3)
End of first half - +2
Middle of second half - +1
Last five minutes - +8
Well, I was just going off the live stats. http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=66854 (http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=66854)
It would indeed seem hard to post a number that low in a 25 pt win.
I have uploaded a gallery with more than 25 photos from the game against Trinity International at the following link: enjoy!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157649711137251/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157649711137251/)
Quote from: vu72 on December 10, 2014, 02:00:28 PM
Both Northwestern and DePaul were most recently played in the season 1979-80. The Northwestern history started in 1967-68 and stands at 2-8.
Huh. I have clear memories of attending a basketball game in Northwestern's gym about 10-12 years ago. Apparently I have less clear memories of the opponent! I'd assumed it was Valpo.
How fickle memory can be!
Quote from: agibson on December 12, 2014, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: vu72 on December 10, 2014, 02:00:28 PM
Both Northwestern and DePaul were most recently played in the season 1979-80. The Northwestern history started in 1967-68 and stands at 2-8.
Huh. I have clear memories of attending a basketball game in Northwestern's gym about 10-12 years ago. Apparently I have less clear memories of the opponent! I'd assumed it was Valpo.
How fickle memory can be!
I believe Valpo scrimmaged (simulated game) Northwestern when Ivan Vujic was on the NW coaching staff. I'm not sure if they keep score but you never hear the result except for what the players could recollect. I believe the Valpo players thought they played well.