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Title: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 29, 2014, 01:16:46 PM
Well, I figured somebody's got to do it.

Want to get psyched?  Try the last two meeting recaps, but be mindful of Paul Oren's astute observation that the only two Crusaders to have played more than 4 minutes during the last 2 meetings are Vashil and Alec (!)

2012:  http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=323640093 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=323640093)
2013:  http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400503059 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400503059)

Takeaway being if it's close late, don't sweat it--we got this.

I hope.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: justducky on November 29, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
Flip a coin.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 29, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
I remember the 2012 game...that furious road comeback.  Also known as "the day Ben Boggs saved the...day".

Game thread from then here:  http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1123.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1123.0)

Then last year, when they were looking for payback...nothing doing.  Jordan Coleman our high scorer? Yes he was.

Game thread:  http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1620.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1620.0)

MEM'RIES...
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: crusadermoe on November 29, 2014, 04:00:28 PM
Nice scheduling by MLB and Bryce to get a tourney with a group of 3 teams like this.   Sounds like a nice drivable family venue too. Wish we could be there.

The teams there sound like mid-range RPIs like most Horizon teams.  I think that's a good level for us to play early and develop timing.         
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: bbtds on November 29, 2014, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 29, 2014, 04:00:28 PMSounds like a nice drivable family venue too. Wish we could be there..

Too bad more Valpo fans didn't make the drive.

Portland currently beating up on Drake 28-15 with 6:43 left in 1st half.

EDIT: final Portland 71-59.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: wh on November 29, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
Spread: Murray State -3
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: valpotx on November 29, 2014, 07:48:03 PM
Valpo 71
Murray State 62
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: govalpogo on November 29, 2014, 08:19:41 PM
Boy this would be a nice game to have video for.  Sounds very exciting!  Also sounds like a very angry Kentuckian crowd. 
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: bbtds on November 29, 2014, 08:30:20 PM
I've never seen a coach as livid as Prohm was at the ref in a long time. He literally was ready to tear his head off. He had to be held back by one of his asst coaches in a wrestling hold.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: justducky on November 29, 2014, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 29, 2014, 08:30:20 PMI've never seen a coach as livid as Prohm was at the ref in a long time. He literally was ready to tear his head off. He had to be held back by one of his asst coaches in a wrestling hold.
So did the ref call it correctly?
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: bbtds on November 29, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: justducky on November 29, 2014, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 29, 2014, 08:30:20 PMI've never seen a coach as livid as Prohm was at the ref in a long time. He literally was ready to tear his head off. He had to be held back by one of his asst coaches in a wrestling hold.
So did the ref call it correctly?

No doubt in my mind it was the correct call.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: valpotx on November 29, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Ok, who had Valpo 93-58??  Holy crap lol. 
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: govalpogo on November 29, 2014, 09:18:26 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 29, 2014, 09:19:11 PM
93-58.

It might be time--pending tomorrow's result--to ponder whether we might in fact be really good THIS year rather than to wait for next.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: hailcrusaders on November 29, 2014, 09:20:24 PM
Well that was fun.

Definitely encouraging, but we won't shoot the lights out like that every game.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: valpo4life on November 29, 2014, 09:23:18 PM
Always nice when Davidson and Chadwick, aka the "human victory cigars", come in with over 5 minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: Valpofan00 on November 29, 2014, 09:37:45 PM
Will there be highlights or a video of the post game conference online somewhere?
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: FWalum on November 29, 2014, 09:40:27 PM
Watched the Murray State @ Xavier game earlier this month and thought this would be a really tough game.  Despite losing by 27 on Xavier's court, I thought their transition game, speed and athleticism could give us problems. Never would have conceived of this outcome.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: FWalum on November 29, 2014, 09:59:11 PM
Murray States Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgRiardQKYMCOd5ikF1FeJA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgRiardQKYMCOd5ikF1FeJA) had an interview and highlights of the Portland game from yesterday.  Maybe they will have something up later about this game.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 29, 2014, 10:02:12 PM
It'll be about 15 seconds long, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: SanityLost17 on November 29, 2014, 11:02:19 PM
How was Darien Walker still available in, what was it, June???  We signed him so late that I remember thinking, "Great, we get a Junior College guard that nobody else wants, why even waste the scholarship, if he was any good somebody would have already picked up on him".

I am starting to come around to the idea that we might be pretty good THIS year.  That said, we are not going to be able to shoot 3 pointers like this every game, and I am still a little concerned with where we will get our scoring when the 3's are not falling.  I will be interested to see how the team reacts, against a quality opponent, when the outside shots are not falling. 
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 29, 2014, 11:38:28 PM
We might find out tomorrow.

But we would have won today even if the 3s weren't falling.  I mean, it was 35 points...
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: justducky on November 29, 2014, 11:42:01 PM
A lot of hopelessness and desperation over on the Murray St board. Maybe somebody should go over there and try to talk them back away from the edge of the cliff. Don't know if I am the best qualified for such work as I have spent most of my life as an instigator.   ;D
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: wh on November 30, 2014, 12:04:19 AM
Alec Peters steers Valparaiso past Murray State in rout

http://posttrib.chicagotribune.com/sports/31369627-556/mens-basketball-alec-peters-steers-valparaiso-past-murray-state-in-rout.html#.VHqylr5FMZY (http://posttrib.chicagotribune.com/sports/31369627-556/mens-basketball-alec-peters-steers-valparaiso-past-murray-state-in-rout.html#.VHqylr5FMZY)

Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: Smj on November 30, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
I am confused - Murray state had a TV feed that looks and sounds like production quality ...   Why can't we watch somewhere?
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: Smj on November 30, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
Watch "Murray State vs. Valpo Highlights" on YouTube
Murray State vs. Valpo Highlights: http://youtu.be/9qT5GMdmZQc
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: valporun on November 30, 2014, 08:38:16 AM
Of course, all the highlights came from the first half. Sorry, missed the game last night due to work, but from the article posted earlier, sounds like the first half was when the highlights happened. In terms of the video thing, did Aaron not have the time to upload some highlights, or would Bryce not allow him to post any video highlights?
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: bbtds on November 30, 2014, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Smj on November 30, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
I am confused - Murray state had a TV feed that looks and sounds like production quality ...   Why can't we watch somewhere?

I talked to one of the cameramen at the Municipal Auditorium yesterday and he said they didn't have the facilities to broadcast the games live. I told him that I'm sure Valpo & Murray St fans would have paid to see the games. I told him how much the average Valpo fan was missing live feeds of the games. I'm sure for future Challenge in Music City events they will look at doing live feeds. Unfortunately that doesn't help with this year.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: classof2014 on November 30, 2014, 10:54:39 AM
Looked back at Murray State's history, goes back to 2003/04 season, and last night was their worst loss (35 points) since as far back as their stats go. Pretty impressive to hand a team it's worst loss in at least 10 seasons.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: wh on December 01, 2014, 04:02:47 PM
Comments from the Murray State board:

I am sorry to say this, but this is fact...When you look at Valpo's athletes and then looked at our guys..different level. They were bigger, stronger, quicker...period! We have NO size and our guards are all thin.

Also, Bryce Drew can flat out coach!! Great offensive movement, great cuts, and GREAT shooters with size!

Double our bigs and it eats us up, our bigs can't pass. Does Prohm adjust? Nope. They go to zone D and eats us up.

As Prohm said tonight, we have one player who has more than one year in the program.

Not sure if he realized it, but Prohm could have been speaking about Valpo the same ;).)  Vashiel is the only Crusader with more than 1 year in the program, followed by 5 guys with 1 year, and 5 completely new players.

Valpo is good, better than us. I think that anyone there tonight would have to admit that.

Valpo shot the ball really and had wide open looks. They had excellent ball movement.

Players looked gassed in the second half. Hope we are not out of shape.  Response: They're not in bad shape, they were psychologically beaten before the 2nd half started. During warm ups after half time I told the guy sitting next to me that they looked disgusted and ready to go home.

You would think that after the MIRACLE season, or at least within two years of the miracle season, recruiting would have been at its maximum potential...I just don't see it. Valpo's athletes were different...stronger, bigger, quicker, and some pure shooters.

Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: FWalum on December 01, 2014, 07:55:14 PM
Very interesting video named "Things Get Chippy Between Valparaiso and Murray State" www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUbucoxR-t4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUbucoxR-t4#ws)
This certainly explains the language heard in the background of Todd's broadcast!
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: bbtds on December 01, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
What the video doesn't show when it pans to the crowd was Prohm having to be restrained by his asst coach when he went after the ref who made the controversial call. If you notice the MSU angry crowd that was heard on the radio broadcast was sitting right behind Todd Ickow. It was fascinating how Prohm's reaction really infuriates the crowd into a bigger frenzy.

I sat near the loud month fan (who yelled "you're horrible" at the refs as they left the court at halftime) at the Portland/Murray St game and he was just as loud mouth at that game.

That is Prohm yelling at the shorter ref, who he went after during the controversial call, as the teams left the court at halftime.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: bbtds on December 02, 2014, 03:38:19 PM
(http://rs111.pbsrc.com/albums/n151/indytd/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141129_211758_929.jpg~320x480)

I had forgotten I had taken this pic. It really brings back warm feelings.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: wh on December 02, 2014, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 02, 2014, 03:38:19 PM
(http://rs111.pbsrc.com/albums/n151/indytd/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141129_211758_929.jpg~320x480)

I had forgotten I had taken this pic. It really brings back warm feelings.

What else besides the score tells you the game was a blowout?
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: humbleopinion on December 02, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2014, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 02, 2014, 03:38:19 PM
(http://rs111.pbsrc.com/albums/n151/indytd/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141129_211758_929.jpg~320x480)

I had forgotten I had taken this pic. It really brings back warm feelings.

What else besides the score tells you the game was a blowout?

Are you referring to the unused timeouts?
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: wh on December 02, 2014, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on December 02, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2014, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 02, 2014, 03:38:19 PM
(http://rs111.pbsrc.com/albums/n151/indytd/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141129_211758_929.jpg~320x480)

I had forgotten I had taken this pic. It really brings back warm feelings.

What else besides the score tells you the game was a blowout?

Are you referring to the unused timeouts?


That's it. I don't know if I've ever heard of a game with 6 unused team timeouts.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: valporun on December 03, 2014, 11:21:26 AM
From what I've read, since I missed this game, had MSU used any timeouts in the second half, Prohm would have probably been tossed for arguing calls from the first half.
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: vusupporter on December 03, 2014, 11:28:25 AM
Prohm used a timeout three minutes into the second half. 
Title: Re: Valpo vs. Murray State @ Nashville Muni, 7:30 PM CDT, Sat 11/29/14
Post by: wh on January 18, 2015, 04:04:29 PM
Murray State has won 13 consecutive games since their 93-58 loss to us on November 29th. They are 15-4 for the season and 5-0 in the OVC.