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Title: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: covufan on January 29, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
Afternoon tipoff.  We need come out and play well early, just like the Milwaukee game.

Valpo  73
UIC     61
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: classof2014 on January 29, 2015, 12:31:47 PM
Darien Walker goes off in front of friends and family for 25-30 points.

We win 78 to 56
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: Kyle321n on January 29, 2015, 12:43:55 PM
I'm taking my dad to the game. I hope they play well since I've been talking this team up to him for about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: marryxiao on January 30, 2015, 12:55:45 AM
Darien Walker goes off in front of friends and family for 25-30 points.









Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 30, 2015, 01:01:55 AM
Valpo 81
UIC 67

Harris takes a shot from half-court with 30 seconds left on the shot clock, that bricks hard off the top of the backboard. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: HC on January 30, 2015, 05:53:36 AM
65-48 valpo victory
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: usc4valpo on January 30, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
Wow, UIC basketball is really struggling a past few years. What is going on with that program?
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: a3uge on January 30, 2015, 09:11:33 AM
Valpo 100 UIC 25
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: Kyle321n on January 30, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
Wow, UIC basketball is really struggling a past few years. What is going on with that program?
They've kind of had a bad decade. Since 2004, when they made the NCAA tournament 2 of 3 years, they've gone 56-115 in HL play. They haven't had a season over .500 and under Moore they've won 13 games in conference play. I think Moore is a bad coach who was given a program in ruins. He's not surviving this season and hopefully they bring in someone who can build up the team to being respectable. They are a black eye on this conference right now after being an exemplary program in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: agibson on January 30, 2015, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: marryxiao on January 30, 2015, 12:55:45 AM
Darien Walker goes off in front of friends and family for 25-30 points.

Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: agibson on January 30, 2015, 10:07:01 AM
I wonder what video coverage will be?  I see some ESPN3 links up for Saturday league games, but not for this game.  Just when I was getting used to ESPN3 (and expecting to use the archive... *sigh*), are we back on the Horizon League Network?   I know at least a few league games this season have been shown the "old fashioned" way.  But, I don't see any sign of _archived_ HLN games.  The policy always used to be "non-conference games don't get archived, but conference games do".

Seems like the league owes us an explanation of their new video policy.  The weekly notes still have boiler plate about everything being on HLN.

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: classof2014 on January 30, 2015, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 30, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
They haven't had a season over .500 and under Moore they've won 13 games in conference play.

I knew it was bad but I didn't realize it was that bad... To put this in perspective since Moore took over at UIC, Valpo has won a total of 54 conference games, twice winning 13 or more games. Bryce alone has won 42 games and has one less year at the helm than Moore, UIC doesn't even belong in D1, the program is an absolute joke...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: covufan on January 30, 2015, 10:23:56 AM
Quote from: agibson on January 30, 2015, 10:07:01 AMSeems like the league owes us an explanation of their new video policy.  The weekly notes still have boiler plate about everything being on HLN.
Maybe someone needs to send an email to LeCrone.  There should have been some announcement.  Maybe someone in our AD office can relay the message.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valporun on January 30, 2015, 10:24:43 AM
For Howard Moore, it is hard to recruit Chicago basketball players to stay home and play locally for a team that isn't winning. After the 2004 season, UIC really hit hard times when some of Chicago's best players spurned the Flames and DePaul for the bright lights of the major conferences and ESPN exposure, or the jump from the Chicago Public League to the NBA. UIC is also a hard sell to some parents because of location of the school, the academics, and in some ways, wanting to get their sons out of the area, and exposed to places they could never easily take them to.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valporun on January 30, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
I think tomorrow's game is on that ASN network that is online? I know the game will be on Comcast Chicago at 2PM, probaby on CSNChicago+. I know on Direct Tv, it shows I can view it on channel 665-1 in my viewing area.

I just did some looking, and the game will be online at: http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06 (http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06) It will be archived there, but not sure how soon after the game? Also, check your local listings for any sports channels that may carry the game.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: Kyle321n on January 30, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: valporun on January 30, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
I think tomorrow's game is on that ASN network that is online? I know the game will be on Comcast Chicago at 2PM, probaby on CSNChicago+. I know on Direct Tv, it shows I can view it on channel 665-1 in my viewing area.

I just did some looking, and the game will be online at: http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06 (http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06) It will be archived there, but not sure how soon after the game? Also, check your local listings for any sports channels that may carry the game.

If you have Comcast in the Chicago area that'll be channel 201. It also appears that it'll be on 390, which I believe would be one of the channel 13s on the old rabbit ears. Something like 13-1 or 13-2
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: agibson on January 30, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
Quote from: valporun on January 30, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
I think tomorrow's game is on that ASN network that is online? I know the game will be on Comcast Chicago at 2PM, probaby on CSNChicago+. I know on Direct Tv, it shows I can view it on channel 665-1 in my viewing area.

I just did some looking, and the game will be online at: http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06 (http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06) It will be archived there, but not sure how soon after the game? Also, check your local listings for any sports channels that may carry the game.

Thanks.  And, now that the game notes are up, they have some of that info as well.  (It wasn't linked, as of this morning, from the HL schedule page.)

I didn't realize ASN had an online presence - a pleasant surprise.  And nice that there's some hope for an archive.

When I saw the Horizon League ASN release (at least they did put one out there!), I didn't notice the "Plus", if they included it, in "Comcast SportsNet Chicago Plus".  Is that a new, second network?  Or just renamed?  I'll have to check my cable package (Comcast in Valpo).
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valporun on January 30, 2015, 12:08:52 PM
CSNChicago+ is like a second channel for nights when any of the Chicago teams overlap coverage, and WGN isn't picking up the coverage.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: a3uge on January 30, 2015, 01:35:26 PM
Sports streaming in the US is a joke. Valuations of everything sports is skyrocketing due to the live nature of viewership and the impossibility of skipping commercials. But streaming is still in the dark ages. Streams are still laggy and run on a 2 minute delay from real life. Many games are blacked out or inaccessible even if you have paid for every service possible. I have NBA League Pass and couldn't watch Bucks @ Magic in Indy because my ISP recorded a geolocation in Florida. MLB.TV hasn't changed in 8 years and, if anything, the service has gotten worse. ESPN3 didn't work with DirectTV for years, even if you had access to every ESPN channel. Even the major streaming services still don't support common interfaces like Chromecast, XBox, PlayStation, or Roku.

Since ONE cable company in Indy offers the regional Chicago Sports Net, the entire market will probably be blacked out of the game online like they do with baseball.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo4life on January 30, 2015, 01:47:13 PM
I could easily be wrong, but I have a hard time believing HLN won't have this game available to watch online like we've all been able to do the previous seasons. I know our games at UIC the past season or two have been on Comcast Sports Network Chicago, were those games available to stream live? I can't remember if they were or not.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: a3uge on January 30, 2015, 02:07:32 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on January 30, 2015, 01:47:13 PM
I could easily be wrong, but I have a hard time believing HLN won't have this game available to watch online like we've all been able to do the previous seasons. I know our games at UIC the past season or two have been on Comcast Sports Network Chicago, were those games available to stream live? I can't remember if they were or not.

HLN hasn't broadcasted a single conference game this year. The game will be on American Sports Network: http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule but it remains to be seen which markets will be blacked out.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: wh on January 30, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
Three of us will be at the game.  The alumni assoc. had tickets for $10, but by the time I got around to calling they were sold out.  Looks like tickets at the door are 20-25. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: covufan on January 30, 2015, 03:25:59 PM
Preview:

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14306/valpo-looks-for-win-20-saturday/#.VMv03zYcSUk (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14306/valpo-looks-for-win-20-saturday/#.VMv03zYcSUk)

From the pdf game notes:

On Pace for 1,000
- Sophomore Alec Peters is near pace to become the first sophomore
in Crusader history to reach the 1,000 point milestone.
- Peters enters Saturday's game with 840 points and would need to
average 17.8 ppg over the Crusaders' guaranteed nine remaining
games to hit 1,000.
- For comparison, Bryce Drew had 912 points through his first two
seasons in a Valpo uniform.

Hmmm.  Doubt this would happen, but what if Bryce kept Alec out of games where the outcome was already decided, and Alec didn't get enough minutes or points to get to the 1000 mark?  I'm sure there will be some kidding around during practice once we get closer to the 1000 point mark.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: wh on January 30, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
Valpo -10.5
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: Smj on January 30, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
Any good bars in walking distance from the game?    I want to get there early and watch the Wisconsin game. ...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: historyman on January 30, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: wh on January 30, 2015, 03:22:48 PMThree of us will be at the game.  The alumni assoc. had tickets for $10, but by the time I got around to calling they were sold out.  Looks like tickets at the door are 20-25.

I have one of those $10 tickets purchased from the alumni association. Not to rub it in, wh.   ;)

I'm sure it will be an enjoyable game at the Pavillion. It will be good to see Jay Harris one more time. His eligibility will expire after this season so this is Jay's last game against Valpo.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: HC on January 30, 2015, 10:36:49 PM
They could, hypothetically, meet again in the HL tournament couldn't they?  Valpo is going to have more fans then UIC tomorrow I bet.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: ml2 on January 31, 2015, 12:21:34 AM
Smj,

The Alumni Association group (100+ people) will be at:

Union Park Chicago Sports Bar
228 S Racine
Chicago, Ill 60607

...starting at 11:30. This is just two blocks straight north from the Pavilion.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: crusadermoe on January 31, 2015, 07:41:41 AM
What is the alumni association?    Are there dues?   Who elects them?  I remember a ballot for the alumni visiting campus back in the early 90s.   But I haven't seen one of those in Homecoming weekend for a long time.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: FWalum on January 31, 2015, 08:53:47 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 31, 2015, 07:41:41 AM
What is the alumni association? See below   Are there dues? No   Who elects them? alumni I remember a ballot for the alumni visiting campus back in the early 90s.   But I haven't seen one of those in Homecoming weekend for a long time.
As someone who has been fairly involved with the association, these links might help Alumni and Friends (http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/start.aspx) and VUAA Board of Directors (http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=967)
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
Wow, UIC basketball is really struggling a past few years. What is going on with that program?

I usually go onto the opponents fan forum and read how they perceive or analyze Valpo.  Right now, the UIC board doesn't even mention our game.  There is no fan base or interest.  Most likely Valpo will have more fans in the Pavilion 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: usc4valpo on January 31, 2015, 01:55:58 PM
That is actually pretty sad. Chicago is recently a poor college basketball community, which is bizarre as the talent coming from the Chicago Public League is legendary (and you can say overhyped at times).  UIC is awful, DePaul sucks and plays in a dump, Northwestern sucks and plays in a dump, Loyola is kind of mediocre, and forget about Chicago State.  If you consider Valpo as part of Chicagoland, they are easily the best team.  Three decades ago it was a great town for college hoops.

I suggest 2 great restaurants not far from the concrete college that destoyed Maxwell St.:

Rosal's on Taylor St. - my favorite all time Italian restaurant

http://www.rosals.com/


the Greek Islands in Greektown

http://www.greekislands.net/

if you go to the Greek Islands, go to the bakery down the street and consume some insane baklava!

Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: FWalum on January 31, 2015, 02:10:40 PM
Anybody know what is up with the American Sports Network video stream and if it is suppose to be live or if we can just watch the replay?
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: nkvu on January 31, 2015, 02:15:36 PM
Can't get the video to work either.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 02:16:19 PM
I can't get it going either. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: sliman on January 31, 2015, 02:20:10 PM
Not even a schedule will come up on my computer, but fortunately I can watch in via Comcast Chicago.  Bad news is that UIC looks much better than they did in Valpo, especially shooting.  We can't afford to let up our intensity on defense.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 31, 2015, 02:25:35 PM
Glad to see that I am not the only one with issues pulling up the video.  It also doesn't pull up the Schedule part for me, to let me watch...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: covufan on January 31, 2015, 02:26:52 PM

Quote from: FWalum on January 31, 2015, 02:10:40 PM
Anybody know what is up with the American Sports Network video stream and if it is suppose to be live or if we can just watch the replay?
it appears to only be replay. Directv has it on 640 and 681.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo64 on January 31, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
Ridiculous!!!     Another feather in the cap for the Horizon League.  It "mid-major", that's for sure.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: BigDFromUIC on January 31, 2015, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: valporun on January 30, 2015, 10:24:43 AMUIC is also a hard sell to some parents because of location of the school, the academics, and in some ways, wanting to get their sons out of the area, and exposed to places they could never easily take them to.



What is wrong with UIC academics?  What school in the HL is better that UIC academically?...and use numbers to support your position please.


UIC may be a hard sell, but that's a BS excuse...our leadership has been  :censored: for the past decade.  Coach Moore isn't getting the job done and that's the end of it...100+ losses over 5 seasons?  If coaches can get players to play in Youngstown, Cleveland, Detroit, and any other HL town, and have way more success than UIC, than why is it so out of reach for us..in the best city in the HL?  I have had enough....seriously...there better be changes after this season.  Moore got a completely unwarranted extension....the result of our leaders thinking success is a .500 season and a trip to the CIT. 


Congrats on your win today.


Btw, your board would be dead if you went through what we've gone through over the last 10+ years.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo64 on January 31, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Is anyone watching the game on this shoestring network?   Does anyone else have it?  any score update?
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: covufan on January 31, 2015, 02:54:29 PM

Quote from: valpo64 on January 31, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Is anyone watching the game on this shoestring network?   Does anyone else have it?  any score update?
39-25 at halftime.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: ValpoFan on January 31, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
I think the game is blacked out on the network because it is on TV. CSN chicago. Channel 201 if you have comcast.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 31, 2015, 03:00:26 PM
I guess that it is good that Valpo will NEVER go through a decade like UIC is currently, so we won't have to find out who the true fans are (3 losing seasons in the last 20).  We simply have too much of a name in Men's Basketball to go through such a thing, especially with Bryce still as our coach.  No school in the HL gets more national attention than Valpo in this sport, as every year we have our main claim to fame shown repeatedly on national TV and/or commercials. 

I won't even touch the academic question, as it is pretty obvious...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: BigDFromUIC on January 31, 2015, 03:04:34 PM
"I won't even touch the academic question, as it is pretty obvious..."
It certainly isn't....which is why I want someone to explain it to me....
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: FWalum on January 31, 2015, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: covufan on January 31, 2015, 02:26:52 PM

Quote from: FWalum on January 31, 2015, 02:10:40 PM
Anybody know what is up with the American Sports Network video stream and if it is suppose to be live or if we can just watch the replay?
it appears to only be replay. Directv has it on 640 and 681.
I have DirecTV but unfortunately not the $130 Premier package which is the only package that has those 2 channels.  This lack of streaming, when it appears that this was suppose to be available, really stinks and I am going to let the HL hear about it.  Here it is right on the schedule  (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--Wv0sdNGHUg/VM1GEoDcuGI/AAAAAAAAD1Q/CSEKx8rZ1hs/w996-h474-no/UIC_Valpo.JPG)
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpopal on January 31, 2015, 03:28:50 PM
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Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: WiscoCrusader on January 31, 2015, 03:59:39 PM
Ummm... UIC average ACT is 21.
Valpo average ACT score is 26.

I could go on with more stats but I don't see the point in embarrassing UIC any further.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 31, 2015, 04:06:04 PM
I will say that public schools always try to claim that since many of them have PhD/Research programs, that it means they have a solid academic school.  That is simply not the case...

No one is saying that UIC is a bad school, but it is not the best school in the HL, when looking at academic reputation.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 31, 2015, 04:13:22 PM
Man, barely escaped that game 70-65.  It sucked having to listen to this second half, without watching it as well.  It just felt like we would blow it, not seeing how we were missing shots.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: BigDFromUIC on January 31, 2015, 04:25:10 PM
And I will say that private schools think they're better simply because they're smaller and private...and that's not always the case...

Valpo is a tiny school....it isn't a surprise that your average ACT is higher...public and private schools are different...apples and oranges.  Take UIC's top 4500 students (which is the population at Valpo)....I bet they blow Valpo's out of the water in terms of test scores.

For instance, this is SAT-related (can't find similar ACT stuff), but it kind of illustrates the point...

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/horizon-league-sat-scores.htm (http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/horizon-league-sat-scores.htm)

Heck, it seems that the average student at UIC is better at math and writing (and in some cases reading) than Valpo's average student...better test scores...so that makes UIC a better school? ;)

I'm not gonna sit here and say that Valpo has bad academics...I just don't know...my point is it's very difficult to criticize UIC academics....you're gonna have to bring something better than ACT score comparison between a public/private.

Don't say UIC is a hard sell because of academics with nothing to back it up....just because you believe it doesn't make it reality.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: HC on January 31, 2015, 04:33:50 PM
Didn't watch and really glad I didn't bet. Valpo minus ten looked tempting. Things look good at the top of the standings.

I don't know why this is a discussion on academics. Seems a kid getting a degree should be applauded regardless of where they go if they finish.

Just to add some fuel to the fire, http://www.acceptancerate.com/schools/university-of-illinois-at-Chicago (http://www.acceptancerate.com/schools/university-of-illinois-at-Chicago) and http://www.valpo.edu/admission/undergrad/frequently-asked-questions/ (http://www.valpo.edu/admission/undergrad/frequently-asked-questions/)

Personally I could never do a big city school, my hat is off to anyone who gets a college degree.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 31, 2015, 04:41:46 PM
I won't get too in-depth, but if your school receives the same ranking as the below schools in your category, you do not have a better academic reputation than Valpo (UIC is tied at #149 in National Universities):

University of Mississippi
University of Alabama-Birmingham
San Diego State University

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+14 (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+14)

Also, if you are listed behind these schools in your ranking category, the same applies:

University of Texas at Dallas
Oklahoma State University
Kansas State University
Washington State University
Louisiana State University
University of Arkansas
University of Oklahoma
University of Kentucky
Arizona State University
University of South Carolina
University of Tennessee
etc.

Again, UIC is a good school, no one is saying that it has a bad academic reputation.  I also agree with HC that getting a degree from a decent school is all that matters, but Valpo is definitely the top of the HL in academic reputation.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: usc4valpo on January 31, 2015, 05:16:06 PM
tx, the last statement about the academics was pretty arrogant. UIC has a decent engineering program. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on January 31, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
If someone makes the claim that there isn't another school in the HL that has a better academic reputation than their school (which BigD did), and asks for data, I am going to give comparisons.  No one is saying that those schools are bad schools, but their overall national academic reputations are not as strong as how Valpo is perceived.  You're going to tell me that when you think of LSU, Arizona State, and South Carolina, that you immediately think, 'wow, I wish that I could have gotten into that school, instead of Valpo!?!?'
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: usc4valpo on January 31, 2015, 05:48:08 PM
I think it depends what program of study you want to go into.  Some of these schools have tremendous programs.  I have to agree with the UIC guy - this is an apples to oranges conversation when you compare state and private schools.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpopal on January 31, 2015, 06:08:54 PM
Not too bad: Twenty wins before February begins!  :thumbsup:


(http://i62.tinypic.com/eg7sly.jpg)
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: Smj on January 31, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
I was at the game and was impressed with the uic fan base -way more than I expected and louder.    The area of Chicago that uic is in has really been cleaned up.    Did not feel unsafe at all (not sure I would have said that a few years ago)   as for academics - These days a degree is a degree. ... If you get one -way to go.   

As for basketball - valpo is winning without a true starting point guard. .......   Every team is pressing and we are taking the pressure and finding a way to win!
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: sliman on January 31, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
Valpo is an excellent school.  That's all anyone needs to know.  And the person (or magazine) that thinks it can compare an rank schools is a fool.  Everyone needs to determine the best school for their own needs and interests.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: justducky on January 31, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: Smj on January 31, 2015, 06:59:13 PMAs for basketball - valpo is winning without a true starting point guard. .......   Every team is pressing and we are taking the pressure and finding a way to win!
It just occurred to me that our point guard play is now much, much better than it was at the start of the season   :o  even with our 3'rd and 4th string guys doing the job.  ??? 

Please don't try to read too much into that previous sentence.  ::)
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: usc4valpo on January 31, 2015, 08:18:31 PM
sliman - agree with your comments.  Many schools have their unique strengths.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: wh on January 31, 2015, 08:54:22 PM
Just got home and find that we're engaged in a debate about who has the best academic reputation?  Really?

It was a very exciting game to watch in person.  Props to UIC.  They made some good halftime adjustments and really took it to us in the 2nd half.  They started driving the hoop instead of settling for jump shots.  Next thing you know they were scoring and drawing fouls.  We started sagging more and they got some good look 3's.  It also didn't hurt that Fells had the game of his life.  He was 5-6 from 2 and 6-7 from 3 for 28 points.   

In any event we held on, which is all that counts at this point.  Win and move on...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on January 31, 2015, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: wh on January 31, 2015, 08:54:22 PMJust got home and find that we're engaged in a debate about who has the best academic reputation?  Really?
wh, THIS is what happens when they take video away from us.

artist's rendering of what happens
(http://confessionsofaprepper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fiygst.jpg)

ANIMALS i tell you ANIMALS
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: vusupporter on January 31, 2015, 09:18:42 PM
He's only a freshman, but I'm about ready to put Tevonn Walker up there as one of the toughest players I've ever seen wear a Valpo uniform.  What ankle injury? And then how about the wherewithal after his put back dunk late, to not celebrate, but get back on D and come up with a key steal.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 09:31:22 PM
Bryce hit on the Canadian gamble. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 09:40:43 PM
I didn't get much support when I compared Oakland academics to valpo.  It was after our lost, so maybe it looked like sour grapes.  Oakland academics are far less superior than UIC.  At the end of the day it's tough to compare state vs. private.  I'll say it again, we don't have anything in common with our HL partners besides geography.  I actually think the other HL schools have an advantage over us in recruiting.  I don't think our bball facilities or weight room are comparable to the state funded schools.  Also Bryce and the university would not recruit guys who were dismissed  from other programs.  Bryce wouldn't have Mondy or a Sledger type from wsu.  Even though those guys would help the team. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo84 on January 31, 2015, 09:56:57 PM
Oklahomanick--YSU's basketball facilities are akin to Hilltop, and hilltop was/is still better. Your point about private/public is why being in the Big Least or A-10 would make more sense.

Saw Jay Harris was 0 for the field but 11/12 from line. Interesting performance....
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 31, 2015, 09:56:57 PM
Oklahomanick--YSU's basketball facilities are akin to Hilltop, and hilltop was/is still better. Your point about private/public is why being in the Big Least or A-10 would make more sense.

Saw Jay Harris was 0 for the field but 11/12 from line. Interesting performance....

YSU doesn't count....
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: historyman on January 31, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 31, 2015, 09:56:57 PMSaw Jay Harris was 0 for the field but 11/12 from line. Interesting performance....

Grizz:
QuoteHarris shot 12 FT's (half as much as Felder did against Valpo at OU) because Valpo likes to foul a lot. Valpo always fouls a lot. There could be no other explanation. The refs never make bad foul calls on the visiting team. Oakland will never be called for an excessive amount of fouls on the road because the Grizzlies are incapable of fouling too often on the road. It's simply that Oakland is much better at defense on the road because they don't foul as much as Valpo does on the road. And that's a fact, jack!
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpotx on February 01, 2015, 12:52:23 AM
I can't wait to beat the crap out of Oakland at home...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: a3uge on February 01, 2015, 01:02:00 AM
I'm a proud Valpo alumn, but school snobbery is worse than beer snobbery.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: FWalum on February 01, 2015, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: historyman on January 31, 2015, 10:44:54 PMGrizz:

    Harris shot 12 FT's (half as much as Felder did against Valpo at OU) because Valpo likes to foul a lot. Valpo always fouls a lot. There could be no other explanation. The refs never make bad foul calls on the visiting team. Oakland will never be called for an excessive amount of fouls on the road because the Grizzlies are incapable of fouling too often on the road. It's simply that Oakland is much better at defense on the road because they don't foul as much as Valpo does on the road. And that's a fact, jack!
What rubish, here are the facts - Valpo has committed 160 fouls to our opponents 156 in conference, that includes the 16 foul difference in the Oakland game.  So against every other conference team we are 132 to 144 in fouls.  Gee, it seems we foul LESS than our opponents not more. For the entire season we are 404 to 430, so once again less than our opponents.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: chipper955 on February 01, 2015, 09:23:20 AM
Anyone else at the game who was disappointed by the lack of noise the Valpo fans were making?  For the number of Valpo fans there were at the game I thought they would have made more noise than what there was.  The UIC fans got pretty loud a couple of times, but not much from Valpo, at least where I was sitting.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: wh on February 01, 2015, 10:18:28 AM
You're right.  For whatever reason we all seemed to be sitting on our collective hands until the very end when we hit a couple of key baskets at a crucial time. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 01, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
I wonder, though...VU fans tend to be polite to an extreme at times, and don't always make a lot of noise even at home (not denigrating; certainly they are always loud when needed!).  I would think it would only be true of us to be more reserved in someone else's home!

Reminds me of the time a couple decades ago when the Cameron Crazies were taken to task for their outlandish and embarrassing behavior, so the next game they were purposefully quiet and held up various signs, like after a bad call:  "We Beg to Differ", etc.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo4life on February 01, 2015, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 31, 2015, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: wh on January 31, 2015, 08:54:22 PMJust got home and find that we're engaged in a debate about who has the best academic reputation?  Really?
wh, THIS is what happens when they take video away from us.

artist's rendering of what happens
(http://confessionsofaprepper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fiygst.jpg)

ANIMALS i tell you ANIMALS

And our new two games are not on ESPN3 as well, so we knows what may happen. I attempted to watch this afternoon's Oakland at YSU game and it sent me to the same page for American Sports Network as it did for our game yesterday with the exact same result. I fear that we won't be able to live stream either game this upcoming week  :'(
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 12:20:12 PM
Our Detroit game on Wednesday is being aired by espn 3
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: usc4valpo on February 01, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
Wow, I never thought there were any worse basketball facilities than Hilltop - there were some famous dead spots and wear on that floor. Back in the 80's there were 2 facilities that were worse - Loyola's Alumni Gym and St. Joe's barn.


At first glance, Hilltop reminded me of the gym Gabe Kaplan and his great Cadwalader team played host to in the movie Fast Break...
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo4life on February 01, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 12:20:12 PM
Our Detroit game on Wednesday is being aired by espn 3

If you look at all the Horizon league games that night on espn.com, the other two games are listed as ESPN3. Our game currently is not.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 01:32:02 PM
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/channel/espn3#type/upcoming/startDate/20150204/search/valparaiso/ (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/channel/espn3#type/upcoming/startDate/20150204/search/valparaiso/)

Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo4life on February 01, 2015, 02:48:51 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard?date=20150204&confId=45 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard?date=20150204&confId=45)

Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
I don't think it would be listed there until the day of.  If that was the case, the Kansas/Iowa St. game is not being aired by espn and that just doesn't make since.  I'm pretty sure it will be on espn3. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: valpo4life on February 01, 2015, 03:49:52 PM
I agree. Just kind of weird to see the other two Horizon games already have the ESPN3 indicated in the box, but not our game even though it's listed on WatchESPN.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: Valpofan00 on February 01, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: chipper955 on February 01, 2015, 09:23:20 AM
Anyone else at the game who was disappointed by the lack of noise the Valpo fans were making?  For the number of Valpo fans there were at the game I thought they would have made more noise than what there was.  The UIC fans got pretty loud a couple of times, but not much from Valpo, at least where I was sitting.
Probably the people that sit in the chair backs. They're never loud.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: agibson on February 01, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: valporun on January 30, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
I just did some looking, and the game will be online at: http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06 (http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-06) It will be archived there, but not sure how soon after the game? Also, check your local listings for any sports channels that may carry the game.

Man - _still_ no replay.  They have replays for some of _today's_ games already posted.

But, for only one of the five games they aired yesterday - and not ours.

Actually, for the Oakland-YSU game today.  They have an archive posted... but only of the second half?

Seems like a pretty suspect operation.  No ESPN3, for sure.  And feeling more like early-years HLN than recent years.

If anyone happens to see a (the?) replay link, perhaps you could PM it to me?  I've managed to avoid game details thus far... (Even if my mother did tip the W; even if that wasn't much in doubt.  But, I don't know the score!).
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: circle70 on February 01, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
Sorry to get in on this so late, but I think everyone is missing the boat on the academic discussion.  This isn't about which is the better school.  It's about schools making academic concessions for their jocks.  UIC refuses to do it (no PE majors, "basket weaving" courses, etc). Other schools in the HL do.  I know for a fact that several quality mid-major recruits couldn't meet the academic standards for UIC and went to other HL schools.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 08:23:53 PM
The HL website also says our game vs. Detroit will be aired on espn3.  I think we are good. 

http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1&sport_id=&teams%5B%5D=8&commit=Filter+Items (http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1&sport_id=&teams%5B%5D=8&commit=Filter+Items)
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: vu72 on February 02, 2015, 07:20:38 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 08:23:53 PM
The HL website also says our game vs. Detroit will be aired on espn3.  I think we are good. 

http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1&sport_id=&teams%5B%5D=8&commit=Filter+Items (http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1&sport_id=&teams%5B%5D=8&commit=Filter+Items)

Not sure what your point might be.  Virtually all of our games are on ESPN3.  Now, if we made it to the ESPNU, as we did with the GB game, then, we are getting attention.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: FWalum on February 02, 2015, 07:54:36 AM
Sent my feedback on the American Sports Network to the HL.  Lets see if I get a response. Really wanted to rage and rant but I kept it under control and professional.
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: oklahomamick on February 02, 2015, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: vu72 on February 02, 2015, 07:20:38 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 08:23:53 PM
The HL website also says our game vs. Detroit will be aired on espn3.  I think we are good. 

http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1&sport_id=&teams%5B%5D=8&commit=Filter+Items (http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1&sport_id=&teams%5B%5D=8&commit=Filter+Items)

Not sure what your point might be.  Virtually all of our games are on ESPN3.  Now, if we made it to the ESPNU, as we did with the GB game, then, we are getting attention.


The point is that we will be able to watch it.  There was optimism that it wasn't going to be on espn3 because it wasn't showing up.  One of the bloggers thought it was going to be another UIC game where we could not watch it. 
Title: Re: Valpo @ UIC - Saturday 1/31/15, 2PM
Post by: bbtds on February 02, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 02, 2015, 08:20:10 AMThe point is that we will be able to watch it.  There was optimism depression and utter disgust that it wasn't going to be on espn3 because it wasn't showing up.  One of the bloggers thought it was going to be another UIC game where we could not watch it.