OK, I know ...I Know... BUT I put this out because the on-line schedule was just changed to reflect the START time for the Wright State Game on the 27th. This has been a "Flex" game... and we are flexed into 7pm. NO other posting comments about the Donlon-less raiders until after the dust settles from the Flame-out on Sunday the 22nd.
As I was saying... GET TO THE ARC EARLY ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
TWO Pre-game things. Jim Cornelison will be singing the national anthem. If you don't know who that is, look it up on Youtube.
AND, there will be a special pre-game ceremony honoring #25 for setting both school records.
Current plan is for those events to start about 6:40pm. OH, it ought to be a whale of a basketball game.
Here's the Box Score for the WSU "BLOW OUT" of the Grizz...
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400918584
From the ESPN score feed:
DAYTON, Ohio -- Mark Alstork and Parker Ernsthausen scored 24 points apiece and Wright State cruised to an 88-67 victory over Oakland on Sunday for its third straight win.
Alstork made three 3-pointers and 9 of 10 free throws. Ernsthausen was 8-of-10 shooting from the floor and 8 of 9 from the line. Steven Davis added 17 points and made four 3s for Wright State (14-7, 5-3 Horizon League). Justin Mitchell grabbed a game-high 15 rebounds and chipped in five points.
Martez Walker scored 14 points and Nick Daniels added 10 to lead Oakland (15-6, 5-3), which has lost three of its last four games.
The Raiders had a 12-point halftime lead before Oakland pulled to 51-43 with 14 minutes left. Wright State used a 35-16 run and had its largest lead, 86-59, with two minutes to play. Ernsthausen scored 12 points and Davis made three 3-pointers during the stretch.
I don't see ESPN3 as hosting this event?
Valpo is separating itself from the rest of the league finally. Wright State is about to find out how far behind they really are. 82-63 win coming our way!
Stephen Davis is their starting 6'8" center. He shots about 36% from 3. Including 3-5 today. Smits/Sorolla can't guard out at the 3 point line (see Santa Clara game, who also had a center out there hitting 3's). This is the sort of game that you miss Jubril. Smits/Sorolla are doing better, but teams who have gotten them away from the basket and forced them to switch a lot and fight through screens have really exposed our defense.
McClain is a good recruiter, but not a great coach and UIC doesn't have the 3 point shooting forwards to expose weakness. That is the sort of team that simply can't matchup against us. Teams like Wright State and Oakland (who are feast and famine from the 3) are the ones that pose real threats when they are hitting.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 22, 2017, 06:52:56 PM
Stephen Davis is their starting 6'8" center. He shots about 36% from 3. Including 3-5 today. Smits/Sorolla can't guard out at the 3 point line (see Santa Clara game, who also had a center out there hitting 3's). This is the sort of game that you miss Jubril. Smits/Sorolla are doing better, but teams who have gotten them away from the basket and forced them to switch a lot and fight through screens have really exposed our defense.
McClain is a good recruiter, but not a great coach and UIC doesn't have the 3 point shooting forwards to expose weakness. That is the sort of team that simply can't matchup against us. Teams like Wright State and Oakland (who are feast and famine from the 3) are the ones that pose real threats when they are hitting.
Well if he gets 3 of 5, let's hope they have him guarding Jaume and Derrik. They can each get 3 of 5 from down low and that's 12 points for us vs. 9 points for them.
So this was a "Flex" game for ESPN to decide which HL games go on ESPN2 or ESPNU. We got flexed to "ESPN3, 7pm". The Green Bay @ Oakland game is on ESPNU at the 9pm/8CT game. They figure that game will be more competitive.
Impressive win yesterday! We need to keep the pressure on the rest of the HL.
Valpo 81
WSU 64
Typically, I try to check out every league opponent before we play, but I haven't gotten around to watching WSU. Any thoughts about how we match-up?
Valpo 79
Wright State 63
Quote from: wh on January 23, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
Typically, I try to check out every league opponent before we play, but I haven't gotten around to watching WSU. Any thoughts about how we match-up?
Just checked their roster and box score versus Oakland. Fairly typical WSU team with 9 guys 6'4" or smaller. They have two "bigs", one is a 6'9" 300# freshman who didn't play in that game. The other is a RSo., 6'11" who played 25 minutes and score 24 points but had only 4 boards. They were out rebounded 28 to 23 and had 15 assts to 13 turnovers. My guess is that we continue to attack the rim hopefully putting their one big in foul trouble. Mark Alstork (6'5")is the guy we need to limit. He had 24 against Oakland. My guess is Shane will get the call.
Remember WSU beat us last season home and away, so we owe them big-time and need to sweep them this year! Payback game just like against Green Bay last week. The guys s/b motivated. Wild card IMO is the new WSU coach. He has had a good coaching career and will be an adjustment not playing against Donlon and his clutch & grab defense. I like Valpo to win at home 83-71.
Quote from: vu72 on January 24, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Mark Alstork (6'5")is the guy we need to limit. He had 24 against Oakland. My guess is Shane will get the call.
I'm thinking Tevonn gets Alstork while Shane gets Benzinger. It'll be interesting to see how we match up as they can go small to neutralize our bigs. I could see us going into the 1-3-1 zone we were playing against Green Bay.
https://twitter.com/willhaskett/status/824361207620526081
The spread: Valpo -9
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 22, 2017, 06:52:56 PMStephen Davis is their starting 6'8" center. He shots about 36% from 3.
This won't be good for Alec's final numbers, but I can see a lot of time the game with Micah, Lexus, Tevon, Shane and Alec on the court together. And indeed, this would be a great game to #LetJubrilPlay
How early before the game are they recognizing Alec's record?
Quote from: M on January 27, 2017, 07:47:34 AM
How early before the game are they recognizing Alec's record?
John Bowker made an announcement... it seems like there were a couple of events, so that it was relatively early. 6:20 PM seems too early... 6:40 PM? Likely he can set the matter straight.
Ah, right, Jim Cornelison is singing the anthem. But, I don't remember the announced time.
I'm probably in the minority on this one but I would prefer the record ceremony to be after a game and not before. Or at the end of senior night.
Oh, and
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My mother would heartily approve (I'm talking the tix... the shirts are a little bizarre). And, certainly in the spirit of promotion and filling seats, I'm in favor.
I'm guessing that dependents, with their ID's, are implicitly also free.
Are they still running periodic "Family Express Family Nights"? Seems like they should let in kids U13 free at least a couple of times a season, when accompanied by a paying adult.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2017, 08:10:06 AM
I'm probably in the minority in this one but I would prefer the record ceremony to be after a game and not before. Or at the end of senior night.
Senior night wouldn't be bad. But might distract even a bit more from the other seniors?
After a game's not so bad. But, what if we lost? Would the ceremony take a bit of the sting out? Or would it really spoil the event?
I'm rarely there early, so pre-game's not exactly my style either.
Quote from: agibson on January 27, 2017, 08:06:29 AMJohn Bowker made an announcement... it seems like there were a couple of events, so that it was relatively early. 6:20 PM seems too early... 6:40 PM? Likely he can set the matter straight.
The announcement was that the Jim Cornelison National Anthem will be at 6:40pm. The Anthem is usually done at 12:00 on the pre-game clock; so I'm guessing that the AP Award thing will be with 10:00 on the clock; but the clock will stop until that's done. We will then re-start the clock to allow the teams to come back to warm up. With this being an ESPN3 game, we can play a little looser with the schedule than if we were the ESPNU game.
Not sure what time the doors will open; first 1,000 folks get a Camo t-shirt; and ALL active duty military/reservists get in free for "Military Thank You" night.
Quote from: wh on January 27, 2017, 01:02:02 AMThe spread: Valpo -9
Vegas insider says a 142 O/U and 88% of the money is taking Valpo and giving the points.
Huh. Just read the game notes on the valpoathletics site...
Following the Crusaders: Video - ESPN3, WatchESPN and the ESPN app - Will Haskett (PxP) and Chris Sparks (Analyst)
Radio – Valpo Sports Network [WVUR (95.1 FM, Valparaiso); WVLP (103.1 FM, Valparaiso)] - Todd Ickow (PxP) and David Huseman (Analyst)
and of course, pgmado tweeted this yesterday...
But he didn't mention one little ditty about Will Haskett... " I called my first live game over the air when I was 15 (thank you, North Central High School), matriculated to Butler University "
I hope Chris speaks slowly so Haskett will understand... :)
Today, being January 27th... here's our history...it's been 10 years since we played a game on January 27th
1/27/2007 Lost at SUU 76-60
1/27/2005 Lost at SUU 93-77
1/27/2001 Valpo 89 Oakland 57 in the ARC... one word... Wille
1/27/2000 Valpo 84 Chicago State 59 in the ARC
1/27/1997 Valpo 110 Northwood 77 in the ARC
1/27/1996 Valpo 65 UMKC 57 @ UMKC
Last home loss:
1/27/1994 UIC 93 Valpo 84
so we have a 3 game home winning streak on January 27th, by an margin of 30 points per game
So how many of the same faces are suiting up for / coaching WSU for this season?
New HC
New Assistant Coaches
Alstork (return)
Benzinger (return)
Am I reading that correctly, only (2) returners with major minutes from last years team?
REALLY hope they didn't reload with that perimeter game and stellar D.
Hard to watch Lexus struggle. Did he have his legs underneath him more in the non-conference? His decision making is the tough part lately.
Picking up his dribble (rookie) at the top of the key. Dribbling into traffic despite his better judgement with a TO imminent. And taking early shots in the shot clock.
If it is the legs, as we have been hearing, going to need Lexus to use his bball IQ more. I'm rooting for him because he has shown leadership and was a big reason we won some trap games like Ball State.
P.S. In unrelated observations, Ickow calls games (wins) extremely prematurely for the Crusaders. Just heard him say VU is going to go up 1.5 games with tonight's game being up by 15 (at half time) and a likely win. Drives me bonkers!!! But I very much enjoy his commentary and interviews. Does a great job.
Some head scratching officiating tonight...
Lots of contact being allowed from one side tonight. Seems like the officiating is trying help make this game get competitive for Wright State but they just aren't taking advantage of the officiating giving them the small nudge to get something going.
There have been a few offensive charges and blocking fouls called on Valpo that have been total bs by the officiating and I think they know it.
Edit 1: Wright State gave us a scare at the end there. Tevonn came up big at the end there and Shane delivered that dagger 3 to put the nail in the coffin.
A few thoughts:
It's interesting to see Wright State transformed into an up-tempo, jump shooting team from the slow, grind-it-out, possession style club they were a few years ago. Like Green Bay, they're better than they showed tonight and we can't count on them hitting only two three pointers the next time(s) we play them. That said, our opponents have been struggling from 3 of late, and I think that's karma's way of repaying us for early in the year when it seemed that everyone was shooting the lights out from deep against us.
I HATE HATE HATE it when we take the air out of the ball too early. It's a problem that has gone back to the Drew days. Everyone stands around while the ballhandler dribbles at the top of the key and tries a wild drive at the paint or a contested three with :02 on the shot clock. Or the stretch where we had two shot clock violations in three possessions. This team shouldn't go nine minutes and change without hitting a fg.
Tevonn Walker saved our a**es tonight with a few clutch shots and his constant hounding of the basketball. We're gonna miss him more than we think when he graduates.
Bradford was hit-and-miss. Smits had an off night. Sorolla looked fine to me and I realize we're trying to balance our two young bigs, but I think Sorrolla should be getting more minutes in crunch time. Whenever I look at our bench, it seems like Lexus is putting in solid minutes on the exercise bike. Trying to work his legs back into shape I'm guessing, but I hope he isn't wearing himself out.
Green Bay is up 12 at half over Oakland at the moment and I can't decide who to cheer for.
QuoteWhenever I look at our bench, it seems like Lexus is putting in solid minutes on the exercise bike. Trying to work his legs back into shape I'm guessing, but I hope he isn't wearing himself out.
Yeah he's been on the bike quite a bit the last few games. Maybe he's trying to keep the legs and the knee warm and moving during the game. I'm actually thinking the coaching staff has been resting him a bit of late, trying to prevent him from wearing down and saving him to be as fresh as possible for conference tourney play. Lexus has those quick hands on D that disrupt the opposing teams guard play.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 27, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
I HATE HATE HATE it when we take the air out of the ball too early.
Agreed, and Lexus takes THIS to a whole new stratosphere. Seems like he tests the 10-count in the back court EVERY time he brings it up. Regardless if he is pressed or not.
I'm rooting for you Lexus, we have all seen you do better.
Oakland looked so dominant against us. Why have they been losing?
I watched a bit of their Green Bay game tonight and didn't see Stevie Clark.They look lazy and confused a lot. Of course they had shot 1 of 13 from 3-point line so that kills anyone.
Just wondering what happened to the stud team we saw at the ARC.
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 27, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
Oakland looked so dominant against us. Why have they been losing?
I watched a bit of their Green Bay game tonight and didn't see Stevie Clark.They look lazy and confused a lot. Of course they had shot 1 of 13 from 3-point line so that kills anyone.
Just wondering what happened to the stud team we saw at the ARC.
Partly due to the injury bug with CLARK and their energy guy (rebound and block artist) Army of 1.
But from watching their last games including tonight...all energy, all first 10 on the shot clock and finally not hitting all their 3's. Or in this case, hitting nearly no 3s.
They'll be back.
QuoteThey'll be back.
Agreed. Clark (out this game) and Brock look banged up.
Kampe's team seem complacent at times but they always wake up for the big games vs Valpo. They have a lot of talent on their roster.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 27, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
I HATE HATE HATE it when we take the air out of the ball too early.
Agreed, and what's more once they take the foot off the gas on offense, they start to look sluggish on defense, as well. Todd even mentioned that we did not do a good job of getting out on the shooter on those late 3's. To make matters worse, we stopped guarding Alstork and let him penetrate at will, after completely frustrating him for the first 33 to 35 minutes of the game. We've had some pretty dominating performances lately, but we're not a dominant team per se. We have 3 inexperienced freshmen who are still inconsistent and we're still a below average shooting team. We can't ever afford to let off the gas and coast, especially against a team that won't ever give in like WSU.
I love the games where we dink around with 5-6 minutes to go, and then just slam on the gas when we really need it. I think being able to flip a switch is a good sign.
Apparently, you have blocked last year's game at the ARC out of your mind. We took the foot off the gas in that one too and got run over by a MAC truck.
https://twitter.com/kevconnorsespn/status/825183582679334912
Should be on ESPN2 any minute now. Just a heads up.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/825207378631151616
Great fun that Paul wrote the post-game beat pieces from both perspectives tonight.
Maybe he did the same for the Green Bay semi-final last year?
If there is a "reporter for the Horizon League" surely it's him.
Quote from: a3uge on January 27, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
I love the games where we dink around with 5-6 minutes to go, and then just slam on the gas when we really need it. I think being able to flip a switch is a good sign.
Unfortunately Tevonn was the only one who
"slam on the gas" in the last few minutes. Except for Shane hitting the three nobody else did much on offense or defense at the end of the game. That is not really a good thing. Thank God for Tevonn!
Quote from: wh on January 27, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
Apparently, you have blocked last year's game at the ARC out of your mind. We took the foot off the gas in that one too and got run over by a MAC truck.
I believe that if Tevonn hadn't sparked the scoring and tough defense and Benzinger had been hitting his threes (he missed all of his threes all game) and if their former coach Donlon had been around to choreograph a comeback that Wright State would have Wrong Stated us again.
Quote from: bbtds on January 28, 2017, 07:12:39 AM
Quote from: a3uge on January 27, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
I love the games where we dink around with 5-6 minutes to go, and then just slam on the gas when we really need it. I think being able to flip a switch is a good sign.
Unfortunately Tevonn was the only one who "slam on the gas" in the last few minutes. Except for Shane hitting the three nobody else did much on offense or defense at the end of the game. That is not really a good thing. Thank God for Tevonn!
100% agree. Last year we lost games because Tevonn and or Skara were injured and unavailable to do just precisely that. Skara is missed with his big offensive rebounds in the crunch for easy put back OR reset the offense.
Thankful we still have Tevonn for just that reason. Alec very clearly is capable, but when 3 defensive heads turn EVERY time he sniffs the ball it really emphasizes the need for one of our other guys to step up.
I know it was the nature of the game, but our bigs just disappeared last night. The lack of rebounding, particularly by Derrik, is a concern to me. Last night he had 2 points, zero rebounds, five fouls and zero blocks. All of that in just 14 minutes of play. J was better but not by much, adding 4 points, 3 rebounds, 3 fouls but 3 blocks!
These kids need to keep their arms up and move their feet. I expect huge improvements over time and clearly their play will be better when their opponents aren't looking up at their arm pits.
I thought Smitrolla would dominate last night but after the first bucket of the game by Smits he was about as effective as I was sitting in section DD.
Quote from: M on January 28, 2017, 09:09:21 AM
I thought Smitrolla would dominate last night but after the first bucket of the game by Smits he was about as effective as I was sitting in section DD.
Speaking of the upper deck, the announced attendance was at 3400ish. It looked more full on TV.
It was a nice crowd for sure. A lot of students, wife said they're probably doing pledges or something (I'm not a fan of frats or sororities, but that's not what this is about). I'm glad there were so many people there to see the W!
I do want to give props to Mark Alstork. He's been watching a lot of LeBron film...his flopping might be tops in the league.
Also, did anyone else see Lottich giving the ref the business when they wouldn't review Tevonn getting grabbed by the face and thrown aside? This was right after they reviewed the play looking to see if Walker elbowed Flopstork under the basket.
Quote from: M on January 28, 2017, 09:50:18 AMI do want to give props to Mark Alstork. He's been watching a lot of LeBron film...his flopping might be tops in the league. Also, did anyone else see Lottich giving the ref the business when they wouldn't review Tevonn getting grabbed by the face and thrown aside? This was right after they reviewed the play looking to see if Walker elbowed Flopstork under the basket.
He should have tossed a red hankercheif and asked them to review for a facemask penalty.
Of course, he probably would have been greeted with an early invite to the post game buffet.
Quote from: vu72 on January 28, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: M on January 28, 2017, 09:09:21 AM
Speaking of the upper deck, the announced attendance was at 3400ish. It looked more full on TV.
That is good attendance considering Valpo High School was playing a big game against Merrillville at the same time. There were probably 3,000 at VHS as well. That's a pretty good combined attendance. I guarantee many at the VHS game would have been at VU if the game was today vs. Wright State.
Quote from: M on January 28, 2017, 09:50:18 AMAlso, did anyone else see Lottich giving the ref the business when they wouldn't review Tevonn getting grabbed by the face and thrown aside? This was right after they reviewed the play looking to see if Walker elbowed Flopstork under the basket.
I was doing my best version of that from Section EE. My wife claims the refs couldn't hear me.
Crowd was decent. I don't mind seeing the frats or sororities in their dozens - people in the seats, and hopefully they cheer a bit and some become fans.
But, here's a fan etiquette question. Is it not a thing in basketball to wait for a timeout, or at least a dead ball, before moving around the seating area? That's gospel in baseball, and probably hockey, right?
I'm maybe more affected than most because I tend to sit on an aisle. And I mostly put up with it if it's one person, moving quickly. But, when it's a group of two dozen together, it's a bit much! In Section EE I'd suggest the stairs against the wall, if they really can't wait for a timeout.
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 28, 2017, 10:17:48 AMThere were probably 3,000 at VHS as well.
What's capacity there?
Quote from: bbtds on January 28, 2017, 07:20:03 AM
Quote from: wh on January 27, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
Apparently, you have blocked last year's game at the ARC out of your mind. We took the foot off the gas in that one too and got run over by a MAC truck.
I believe that if Tevonn hadn't sparked the scoring and tough defense and Benzinger had been hitting his threes (he missed all of his threes all game) and if their former coach Donlon had been around to choreograph a comeback that Wright State would have Wrong Stated us again.
Odd take. If Alec makes a couple more threes, it would have been even more lopsided. We scored our 56th point with over 9 minutes left. Wright State had some semblance of an offense at the end before Valpo kicked it in gear on defense at the end once Wright State got it to 7, which was still a massive lead considering their offensive performance. I don't think Tevonn was the only player playing well on defense. Sorolla had some shot alterations late, and Joseph was playing good defense.
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 27, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
Oakland looked so dominant against us. Why have they been losing?
I watched a bit of their Green Bay game tonight and didn't see Stevie Clark.They look lazy and confused a lot. Of course they had shot 1 of 13 from 3-point line so that kills anyone.
Just wondering what happened to the stud team we saw at the ARC.
Been wondering the same thing, but with a smile! We need to remember how they played then, especially in the tournament
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Clark has a broken thumb.
Quote from: VU2624 on January 28, 2017, 10:13:46 AMHe should have tossed a red hankercheif and asked them to review for a facemask penalty.
My wife did think one of the refs looked like Steratore. This comment made me do a double check for NFL connections!
Post Game Press Conference
Coach Lottich was pretty critical of the officiating and non-calls during the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzuswcAWB-I&t=33s
He is right to be critical and fight for his guys. Alec is continuously grabbed/held when going through the lane and rarely gets that called in his favor.
I've noticed fans move freely through aisles during gameplay at other mid major level bball games. Although I bet it's highly dependent on the venue/event. I doubt that'd fly at a Bulls or Hoosiers game. Perhaps a direct relationship with ticket prices and usher vigilance.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 28, 2017, 02:21:49 PM
I've noticed fans move freely through aisles during gameplay at other mid major level bball games. Although I bet it's highly dependent on the venue/event. I doubt that'd fly at a Bulls or Hoosiers game. Perhaps a direct relationship with ticket prices and usher vigilance.
Even worse, people are allowed to walk along side the court level while the game is in progress. This goes on throughout the game. Even the High school doesn't allow this.
Quote from: bbtds on January 28, 2017, 07:20:03 AM
Quote from: wh on January 27, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
Apparently, you have blocked last year's game at the ARC out of your mind. We took the foot off the gas in that one too and got run over by a MAC truck.
I believe that if Tevonn hadn't sparked the scoring and tough defense and Benzinger had been hitting his threes (he missed all of his threes all game) and if their former coach Donlon had been around to choreograph a comeback that Wright State would have Wrong Stated us again.
Another example of taking our foot off the gas happened against Detroit 6 games ago. We had a 12 point lead (67-55) with 5:47 to go. The Titans then went on a 13-4 run over the next 4:07 to close within 3 with 1:40 to go. It was anyone's game at that point. Fortunately, Tevonn saved the day again, scoring 5 of our final 8 points on 5 of 6 FT's.
I almost forgot this. A VU student was holding up a sign for the Wright State team to see as they entered the ARC from the locker room. It was mocking WS's logo, and on it he had written the words "this is not a Raider" with an arrow pointing to the wolf on the logo.
That got me to thinking - why in the world do they have a wolf on their logo, when they call themselves the Raiders? Does anyone know the back story on this? Wouldn't that be like the NC State Wolfpack displaying a raider on their logo? ;)
Quote from: wh on January 29, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
I almost forgot this. A VU student was holding up a sign for the Wright State team to see as they entered the ARC from the locker room. It was mocking WS's logo, and on it he had written the words "this is not a Raider" with an arrow pointing to the wolf on the logo.
That got me to thinking - why in the world do they have a wolf on their logo, when they call themselves the Raiders? Does anyone know the back story on this? Wouldn't that be like the NC State Wolfpack displaying a raider on their logo? ;)
http://m.wsuraiders.com/mobile/ViewArticle.dbml?atclid=205213920&DB_OEM_ID=27000& (http://m.wsuraiders.com/mobile/ViewArticle.dbml?atclid=205213920&DB_OEM_ID=27000&)
Political correctness at its finest once again...
The article wasn't conclusive on whether there was public pressure to change the mascot, or if it's something university administration decided was a problem and sought out to fix.
Do the women of Wright State University feel better represented by a wolf than they do the viking-looking character? At least the viking is the same species. Cleveland State hasn't had a similar problem with their masculine viking logo, have they?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 29, 2017, 08:40:10 PM
Quote from: wh on January 29, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
I almost forgot this. A VU student was holding up a sign for the Wright State team to see as they entered the ARC from the locker room. It was mocking WS's logo, and on it he had written the words "this is not a Raider" with an arrow pointing to the wolf on the logo.
That got me to thinking - why in the world do they have a wolf on their logo, when they call themselves the Raiders? Does anyone know the back story on this? Wouldn't that be like the NC State Wolfpack displaying a raider on their logo? ;)
http://m.wsuraiders.com/mobile/ViewArticle.dbml?atclid=205213920&DB_OEM_ID=27000&
In 1996, in a drive to update and eliminate singular gender considerations, a marketing firm was hired to come up with a new mascot, and the WSU wolf was born. So, in 1997, WSU athletics retired the "Viking" Rowdy and introduced the wolf as its official mascot. "We wanted a symbol that would take us into the future," said Iris Harvey, WSU assistant vice-president of communications and marketing. Too much equity had been spent on the Raiders nickname to change that. Did you know WSU - founded in 1964 - is the only state school in Ohio named after a person or persons (the flight-inventing Wright brothers)? Flight-oriented names were shunned in deference to crosstown University of Dayton, whose teams are known as the Flyers.Since this is the case maybe WSU should have themed the Wright Brothers in the nickname and called themselves Inventors, Cyclists, Editors, Printers, Kite men, etc.
Just thinking that it is a crazy mixed up world where a "Raider" is a more socially acceptable nickname than a "Crusader".
Quote from: M on January 28, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
I do want to give props to Mark Alstork. He's been watching a lot of LeBron film...his flopping might be tops in the league.
Also, did anyone else see Lottich giving the ref the business when they wouldn't review Tevonn getting grabbed by the face and thrown aside? This was right after they reviewed the play looking to see if Walker elbowed Flopstork under the basket.
LOL, and Justin Kinnear (covers WSU) went ballistic on twitter when they didn't give Tevonn a flagrant on that play.
Quote from: agibson on January 28, 2017, 10:27:55 AMBut, here's a fan etiquette question. Is it not a thing in basketball to wait for a timeout, or at least a dead ball, before moving around the seating area? That's gospel in baseball, and probably hockey, right?
Can't speak about hockey, but having been to many baseball games, it's a gospel that's NEVER EVER FOLLOWED.
I'm even more alone in my position than you are, because I also frown on standing up unless the people behind you are standing up (during the game).
We're dinosaurs, apparently ;)
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 30, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 28, 2017, 10:27:55 AMBut, here's a fan etiquette question. Is it not a thing in basketball to wait for a timeout, or at least a dead ball, before moving around the seating area? That's gospel in baseball, and probably hockey, right?
Can't speak about hockey, but having been to many baseball games, it's a gospel that's NEVER EVER FOLLOWED.
I'm even more alone in my position than you are, because I also frown on standing up unless the people behind you are standing up (during the game).
We're dinosaurs, apparently ;)
Just showing your age. If the young people today can't put down their iphones to actually look at you when you're speaking to them do you think they care that they are blocking your view at a sporting event?
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 30, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 28, 2017, 10:27:55 AMBut, here's a fan etiquette question. Is it not a thing in basketball to wait for a timeout, or at least a dead ball, before moving around the seating area? That's gospel in baseball, and probably hockey, right?
Can't speak about hockey, but having been to many baseball games, it's a gospel that's NEVER EVER FOLLOWED.
I'm even more alone in my position than you are, because I also frown on standing up unless the people behind you are standing up (during the game).
We're dinosaurs, apparently ;)
Just showing your age. If the young people today can't put down their iphones to actually look at you when you're speaking to them do you think they care that they are blocking your view at a sporting event?
Au Contraire. I get yelled at for not understanding what a basketball game is.
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Quote from: FWalum on January 30, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
Just thinking that it is a crazy mixed up world where a "Raider" is a more socially acceptable nickname than a "Crusader".
I'm with you, but there we are.
I can well imagine that the Uhlans were bad dudes, but I'd be happy for a return.
Quote from: FWalum on January 30, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
Just thinking that it is a crazy mixed up world where a "Raider" is a more socially acceptable nickname than a "Crusader".
It has much more to do with Raider not being a nickname that offends muslims (supposedly) while the background of the word "crusader" is rooted in anti-muslim history.
Quote from: bbtds on January 31, 2017, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: FWalum on January 30, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
Just thinking that it is a crazy mixed up world where a "Raider" is a more socially acceptable nickname than a "Crusader".
It has much more to do with Raider not being a nickname that offends muslims (supposedly) while the background of the word "crusader" is rooted in anti-muslim history.
Perhaps you meant to say is rooted in protecting Christians from invading muslims. ;)
I suspect there were bad hombres on both sides of many conflicts in the Middle Ages.
I equally suspect we can guess who the losers were.