I thought I would start this topic for scores that are discussion-worthy, but aren't Horizon League related, necessarily. As we experience this season with unrealistically-high expectations, we'll no doubt be in need of the kind of perspective that only stepping out of the Horizon League can provide. To kick it off, Western Illinois beat #17 Wisconsin, Belmont beat Marquette, and Green Bay has currently taken Stanford to OT.
Geez!!!
#2 Kentucky beats Albany by only 13 points. Albany is no slouch as they were tabbed to finish 2nd in the America East conference, but they are in the 29th-ranked (RPI) America East conference.
Butler scored 144 today
Quote from: ValpoHoops on November 14, 2015, 09:28:22 PM
Butler scored 144 today
As a former DePauw student, I'm glad they finally beat someone as badly as they beat us (115). This surely fits in to the "amusement" category, though.
I've been pleased to see some of Alec's quotes. That he thinks we need to mdindtat extra gear to finish an opponent like that (ok, maybe not 144 - but I wouldn't complain about a 20 point win sometime). And that he thinks we have the personnel and talent for a deep tourney run .
Quote from: Valpower on November 14, 2015, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on November 14, 2015, 09:28:22 PM
Butler scored 144 today
As a former DePauw student, I'm glad they finally beat someone as badly as they beat us (115). This surely fits in to the "amusement" category, though.
And they beat up on a D-I team -- The Citadel.
Something to hang your hat on, beating up on a military school. Of course, I hope The Citadel enjoyed their pay day.
79-year-ago TODAY... the Torch preview of the Home Opener ...complete with picture of Boucher Gym....where we played our home games from 1927 to 1939
http://collections.valpo.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/torch/id/3759/rec/44 (http://collections.valpo.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/torch/id/3759/rec/44)
Quote from: talksalot on December 10, 2015, 09:15:55 AM
79-year-ago TODAY... the Torch preview of the Home Opener ...complete with picture of Boucher Gym....where we played our home games from 1927 to 1939
http://collections.valpo.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/torch/id/3759/rec/44 (http://collections.valpo.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/torch/id/3759/rec/44)
And below the picture an ad for "Ye Old Style Inn, Valpo's Smartest Restaurant".
Milwaukee over Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) last night. Definitely helps the standing of the Horizon League.
Still amazed that UCLA beat Kentucky after losing at home to Monmouth (NJ) and playing 40 minutes of matador defense against Kansas in Hawaii.
For Amusement Only: Sagarin has Valpo at number 43; UCLA at ............. number 48.
Kampe / Felder may have exposed a little something about Sparty... Hawkeyes up 12 with 5:16 to play at Carver-Hawkeye...
Kinda fun to watch the impact of a game on the RPI's...
Michigan State fell from 2 to 3 after losing
Iowa jumped from 34 to 19 immediately after their win
Oakland fell from 93 to 98 on the MSU loss
That Iowa - Purdue matchup Saturday night at Mackey will be a good one!
I was watching BTN last night, when they were previewing MSU going into last night's game, and they were showing that Tum Tum was a weak player inside against Oakland. Not sure where he came from, but he definitely doesn't look good for Izzo's needs this year.
Quote from: valporun on December 30, 2015, 11:04:10 AM
I was watching BTN last night, when they were previewing MSU going into last night's game, and they were showing that Tum Tum was a weak player inside against Oakland. Not sure where he came from, but he definitely doesn't look good for Izzo's needs this year.
Tum tum is a great point guard, with one glaring exception - poor outside shooting. He runs the team quite well. He also may be one of the fastest players in the country - his coast to coast drives are things of beauty.
#1 RPI going into today... Xavier...Went to Philly to play Villanova... Wildcats won by 31 !... after it was posted... the NEW RPI rankings by Nolan:
#1. Xavier
#2. Villanova
Xavier's SOS is #2
Nova's SOS is #3
Only 3 undefeated teams left...
Interesting comment heard on the OU/VA game...all of Oakland's player Hooper's shots have been 3-pointers so far this year. Hard to believe. On an unrelated subject...I just saw a picture of this year's team and all were wearing the gold/yellow shoes. I thought they looked great. Why don't all the players wear the same style shoe?
Missouri St. lost by 13 @ Illinois St. yesterday, MSU is now 4-9 (0-1 MVC)
Mississippi Valley State 66 Arkansas Pine Bluff 60... MVSU wins their home opener... and first game of the year.
Michigan State about to lose to unranked Nebraska, further tarnishing Oakland's excellent loss. (Sigh, I've got to stop picking on them.)
Manhattan 78 Monmouth 71... Manhattan RPI 224... Monmouth now at #27... second loss in 12 games... both to 200+ RPI teams on the road (Army being the other one)
Hawks drop to 6-2 in conference, tied with Iona for second place behind St Peters, who is the Gaels opponent on Friday night.
So Oregon beats No.21 USC, that helps. Belmont wins on the road by a bunch, that helps. Good night!!
So, GW is giving away tickets and moved their Rhody game up because of the storm....
George Mason is doing this, for their scheduled game with Duquesne ... moving the game to their tiny on-campus facility...
The George Mason men's basketball game originally scheduled for Saturday against Duquesne has been moved up to Friday afternoon due to the impending winter snow storm "Jonas" that is scheduled to hit the greater Washington area this weekend. The Atlantic 10 Conference game against the Dukes will be played at the RAC on the Fairfax campus with a 2 p.m. tip. The Patriots home court EagleBank arena is not a viable option for Friday afternoon due to an event earlier in the day.
Attendance to Friday's game will be limited to Mason students with a valid Mason student ID; men's basketball season ticket holders and those who have already purchased single-game tickets for this game. Friday's rescheduled game is sold out and tickets will not be available at the door. All seating will be general admission on a first-come, first-served basis. Current ticket holders who are unable to attend the rescheduled game may exchange their ticket at the EagleBank Arena box office for a future 2015-16 home game, based on availability.
The RAC's capacity is 1,550 and has played host to three Mason basketball games in the six years since the venue opened. Earlier this season, the women's basketball team defeated Air Force 69-52 in a non-conference game on December 19. Men's basketball played Catawba last season on December 17, 2014. On April 3, 2013, in front of a raucous capacity crowd, the men's basketball team defeated Santa Clara, 73-66 in game two of a best-of-three series in the College Basketball Invitational (CBI) Finals.
The Game of the Week for Mason students, which features a Mason Bomber Snow Hat giveaway, :'( will still take place.
Fans can watch the game on the Atlantic 10 Network and listen to the Voice of the Patriots Bill Rohland on the GoMason Digital Network.
The RAC is located at 4350 Banister Creek Ct off Patriot Circle on campus. All fans driving to the game must park in lots J or K adjacent to the RAC.
Looking at the Saturday 1/22 scheduled games... I'm guessing something will happen to these due to MegaStorm Jonas:
Davidson @ Richmond
UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND, Va. – Due to the impending inclement weather, this weekend's men's basketball game at the University of Richmond will be moved to Monday, January 25, at the Robins Center.
The men's basketball game against Davidson, scheduled for Saturday, will be played Monday at 7 p.m., while the women's basketball game against crosstown rival VCU scheduled for Sunday at 3 p.m. has been switched to a road game for the Spiders at the Siegel Center on Monday at 7 p.m. The tilt with the Rams scheduled to take place at VCU on Feb. 14 has been switched to the Robins Center at a time to be determined.
NC Central @ Delaware State (what else can go wrong for the Hornets?)
Dover, Del. (Jan. 22, 2016) --- The Delaware State/North Carolina Central women & men's basketball doubleheader scheduled for Saturday Jan. 23 has been postedponed due to the major storm that's been forcasted for the East Coast. The games are expected to be re-scheduled, although a make-up date has not been set.
Here's the video link for the Duquesne - George Mason game moved to this afternoon...
Dukes are up big early...
http://www.atlantic10.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=31600&mid=80313&catid=0 (http://www.atlantic10.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=31600&mid=80313&catid=0)
Wow. Was this lead statistically safe?
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Quote from: agibson on January 26, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
Wow. Was this lead statistically safe?
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I wondered about that myself when I saw the story.
According to: http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=400839337&period=2 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=400839337&period=2)
It was 64-54 with 1:23 left after a WF basket. Not statistically safe
It was 64-56 with 1:19 left after a Virginia basket. Not statistically safe
64-58 with 1:10 to go after another Virginia basket. Not statistically safe
Same score WF missed a FT with 1:05 to go. Not statistically safe
64-61 with 0:57 to go after a Va 3. Not statistically safe
66-61 with 0:53 to go after 2 WF FTs. Not statistically safe
66-63 after Va basket with 0:47 to go. Not statistically safe
68-63 after 2 WF FTs with 0:45 to go. Not statistically safe
69-63 after 1 WF FT with 0:39 to go. Not statistically safe
70-63 after 1 WF FT with 0:28 to go. Not statistically safe
Same score with 0:24 to go after Va turnover. Not statistically safe (but close)
Same score with 0:21 to go after WF turnover. Not statistically safe (not close)
70-66 after Va 3 with 0:17 to go. Not statistically safe
Same score with 0:11 to go after WF missed FT. Not statistically safe
70-69 after Va 3 with 0:05 to go. Not statistically safe (regardless of time remaining!)
71-69 after 1 WF FT with 0:03 to go. Not statistically safe (regardless of time remaining!)
So, no, it was never a statistically safe lead.
I'd forgotten how strict the definition is. It's not so far from"with no defense, could you score the points?".
[right --> strict; darn auto-correct]
Still a highly improbable ending, and crazy buzzer beater. Involved lots of missed free throws, some good shots, and only 1 WF turnover!
Quote from: a3uge on January 27, 2016, 09:20:08 AM
Still a highly improbable ending, and crazy buzzer beater. Involved lots of missed free throws, some good shots, and only 1 WF turnover!
Oh definitely. The last 5 seconds were crazy just from looking at the text pbp.
Wake is going to Wake. the Charlie Brown of sports.
Butler lost to Marquette 75-69 and now sits at 14-7. They have 9 Big East games remaining and another 3 or 4 losses looks very probable prior to their conference tournament. Their OOC SOS sits at 206 and they only played one true road OOC game. Looks to me like they could soon fall out of at large consideration and I have no desire to meet them in the NIT. Maybe next year.
Quote from: justducky on January 31, 2016, 12:40:02 PM
Butler lost to Marquette 75-69 and now sits at 14-7. They have 9 Big East games remaining and another 3 or 4 losses looks very probable prior to their conference tournament. Their OOC SOS sits at 206 and they only played one true road OOC game. Looks to me like they could soon fall out of at large consideration and I have no desire to meet them in the NIT. Maybe next year.
There looks to be some retribution for their deal with the devil and I've never been happier.
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Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2016, 08:37:41 AMThey have 9 Big East games remaining and another 3 or 4 losses looks very probable prior to their conference tournament.
Not sure how many of these games they can win! They have 3 BE wins, two against DePaul and they're done with them, and one with #201 St.Johns.
Here's their remaining schedule:
74 Georgetown 13 - 9 Game 1 tomorrow night
@ 201 St Johns 6 - 15 Won by 20 at Hinkle
@ 46 Seton Hall 15 - 6 Game 1 next Wednesday
4 Xavier 19 - 2 Lost 88-69 in Cincinnati
103 Creighton 14 - 8 Lost 72-64 in Omaha !
@ 2 Villanova 18 - 3 Lost 60-55 in Hinkle
@ 74 Georgetown 13 - 9 Game 2
46 Seton Hall 15 - 6 Game 2
111 Marquette 15 - 7 Lost 75-69 in Milwaukee
Since there's no opponent games tonight, here's a couple games to at least keep your eye on:
7PM EST
Notre Dame @ 17 Miami ESPN2
If you're really bored. Both teams hovering around Top-25 mark.
7PM EST
Davidson @ George Washington
George Washington's bubble could pop with a loss here.
9PM EST
Southern Illinois @ 21 Wichita State on ESPN3
Wichita State is probably the best mid major in the country right now. They're fun to watch. They lost 4 of their first 5 games after dealing with injuries to VanVleet and familiar foe Anton Grady, but have since gone 14 of 15, including a 10-0 conference start. They've won all by 1 conference game by 10+ points (@ Evansville), and have destroyed the MVC thus far. Southern Illinois has been surprisingly good this year - they have the same amount of losses as Wichita State, but a much weaker schedule. They started the season 18-3, including a win vs Oakland. They've since dropped 2 straight, but they may have some talent to keep the game somewhat close. Wichita State won the first matchup at Southern Illinois 58-83 and are favored by 17.
10PM EST
UC-Irvine @ Cal Poly
UCI favored by only 3.5. They have a 7'6" center, and are in the 12-14 range. Probably a tournament team, but could bump Valpo's seed down if they both make it that far.
Any updates here or are you reporting in another thread?
Quote from: a3uge on February 03, 2016, 03:50:17 PM
Since there's no opponent games tonight, here's a couple games to at least keep your eye on:
7PM EST
Notre Dame @ 17 Miami ESPN2
If you're really bored. Both teams hovering around Top-25 mark.
7PM EST
Davidson @ George Washington
George Washington's bubble could pop with a loss here.
9PM EST
Southern Illinois @ 21 Wichita State on ESPN3
Wichita State is probably the best mid major in the country right now. They're fun to watch. They lost 4 of their first 5 games after dealing with injuries to VanVleet and familiar foe Anton Grady, but have since gone 14 of 15, including a 10-0 conference start. They've won all by 1 conference game by 10+ points (@ Evansville), and have destroyed the MVC thus far. Southern Illinois has been surprisingly good this year - they have the same amount of losses as Wichita State, but a much weaker schedule. They started the season 18-3, including a win vs Oakland. They've since dropped 2 straight, but they may have some talent to keep the game somewhat close. Wichita State won the first matchup at Southern Illinois 58-83 and are favored by 17.
10PM EST
UC-Irvine @ Cal Poly
UCI favored by only 3.5. They have a 7'6" center, and are in the 12-14 range. Probably a tournament team, but could bump Valpo's seed down if they both make it that far.
Quote from: historyman on February 06, 2016, 12:36:30 AM
Any updates here or are you reporting in another thread?
Agh I forgot !!!
Wichita State won another game easily. They'll play Illinois State Saturday night and hope to keep blowing out their opponents.
Miami won and Notre Dame probably won't be receiving too many top 25 votes.
George Washington won and may start creeping back into the at large bubble.
UC-Irvine won in overtime on the road... No ESPN3 coverage there!
Quote from: a3uge on February 06, 2016, 12:44:28 AMUC-Irvine won in overtime on the road... No ESPN3 coverage there!
No, but there was a documentary on Anteaters on Animal Planet!
Close game between Wichita State and Illinois State. Watch on ESPN2.
Illinois State wins!
Quote from: a3uge on February 06, 2016, 10:41:57 PMClose game between Wichita State and Illinois State. Watch on ESPN2.
The Wichita St loss drops them 11 RPI places to our old position of #32. Our road win drops us 15 positions to 47.
I have watched enough Shocker basketball to know they are a handful, but they are not 3, 4, or 5 seeds better. While on the subject let me also post my observations that we would beat Monmouth 3 out of 4, St Mary's 6 out of 10, and would hold the slightest of edges over Gonzaga. If you do not agree then jump in here and start arguing.
Quote from: justducky on February 07, 2016, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 06, 2016, 10:41:57 PMClose game between Wichita State and Illinois State. Watch on ESPN2.
The Wichita St loss drops them 11 RPI places to our old position of #32. Our road win drops us 15 positions to 47.
I have watched enough Shocker basketball to know they are a handful, but they are not 3, 4, or 5 seeds better. While on the subject let me also post my observations that we would beat Monmouth 3 out of 4, St Mary's 6 out of 10, and would hold the slightest of edges over Gonzaga. If you do not agree then jump in here and start arguing.
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ducky ready to argue.
Quote from: talksalot on February 01, 2016, 10:09:15 AMNot sure how many of these games they can win! They have 3 BE wins, two against DePaul and they're done with them, and one with #201 St.Johns.
Here's their remaining schedule:
74 Georgetown 13 - 9 Game 1 tomorrow night
@ 201 St Johns 6 - 15 Won by 20 at Hinkle
@ 46 Seton Hall 15 - 6 Game 1 next Wednesday
4 Xavier 19 - 2 Lost 88-69 in Cincinnati
103 Creighton 14 - 8 Lost 72-64 in Omaha !
@ 2 Villanova 18 - 3 Lost 60-55 in Hinkle
@ 74 Georgetown 13 - 9 Game 2
46 Seton Hall 15 - 6 Game 2
111 Marquette 15 - 7 Lost 75-69 in Milwaukee
We should know better than to ever kick a dog when it is down. It is amazing how quickly the worm can turn. After solid wins at Georgetown and St Johns Butler pulled out a 6 point win tonight at #52 Seton Hall. The next bracket updates will have far fewer doubters and they could reemerge in the same territory we are occupying. I probably jinxed their decline by being the first to have written them off as dead. Oh well! I would love to meet them in some future tournament or even this one.
The Summit's top team, South Dakota State just lost to University of Nebraska-Omaha. Now tied with IPFW in conference. South Dakota State has 6 losses, including ones to UMKC (283 RPI), Weber State (157 RPI). Also had conference losses to ND State and IUPUI. Their best two wins were Mid Tennessee State (their only expected top 100 ooc win) and UCSB (expected 121 RPI). Yet prior to tonight, they had a better RPI than Valpo. Damnit Horizon!
Butler has those three marquee wins... and raised their RPI to 60... still trailing Indiana... at 52
oh... Valpo sitting at 42.
IPFW and Middle Tennessee State have the identical numerical RPI 0.5592 good for 79/80.
We were ahead of ND too for a little while....
Louisiana Monroe 86 Mid-Major #2 Arkansas Little Rock 82... UALR now 21-3 (ULM is ranked #162 and is now 10-12 on the year, UALR had won their first meeting 58-57 at home)
Western Carolina 67 Mid Major #6 Chattanooga 61...Moc's are now 22-4. The other team with a Catamount mascot has raised their RPI to 223 and are now 7-15 on the year.
Illinois State 70 Mid Major #9 Evansville 60. Aces fall to 19-7
and not that it matters, but a fun tidbit...
UMass Lowell scored 21 points in the 5-minute OT period to beat Maine's black bears 108-95.... they had scored 33 in the second half.
Not a good night for the Mid Major Poll teams... with one nice exception....
Louisiana Monroe 86 Mid-Major #2 Arkansas Little Rock 82... UALR now 21-3 (ULM is ranked #162 and is now 10-12 on the year, UALR had won their first meeting 58-57 at home)
Pepperdine Wave 69 St Mary's 63. Gales drop to 19-4 and their RPI falls from 46 to 70! Wave RPI is up to 103
Western Carolina 67 Mid Major #6 Chattanooga 61...Moc's are now 22-4. The other team with a Catamount mascot has raised their RPI to 223 and are now 7-15 on the year.
Illinois State 70 Mid Major #9 Evansville 60. Aces fall to 19-7
oh, the #23 team on the list also lost...
Here's this week's poll from Feb 8
1. Valparaiso (18) 20-4 746 3 Horizon :thumbsup:
2. Little Rock (4) 21-2 712 4 Sun Belt
3. Gonzaga (3) 19-5 704 5 West Coast
4. Wichita State (3) 17-6 694 2 Missouri Valley
5. Saint Mary's (3) 19-3 686 1 West Coast
6. Chattanooga 21-3 599 6 Southern
7. Monmouth 19-5 555 7 Metro Atlantic
8. Akron 19-4 534 9 Mid-American
9. Evansville 19-6 479 8 Missouri Valley
10. South Dakota State 19-5 443 10 Summit
11. BYU 17-8 425 11 West Coast
12. Stony Brook 19-4 422 17 America East
13. Hawaii 18-3 392 16 Big West
14. Stephen F. Austin 16-5 298 21 Southland
15. Grand Canyon 20-4 294 13 Western Athletic
16. IPFW 19-7 284 15 Summit
17. UC Irvine 18-6 256 19 Big West
18. UNCW 18-5 176 22 Colonial
19. Southern Illinois 18-7 173 12 Missouri Valley
20. Belmont 17-8 166 18 Ohio Valley
21. Mercer 18-6 156 23 Southern
22. Yale 15-5 152 25 Ivy League
23. Oakland 17-8 138 NR Horizon
24. North Florida 18-8 111 14 Atlantic Sun
25. New Mexico State 16-8 62 NR Western Athletic
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: William & Mary 56, UT Arlington 49, Albany 40, Hofstra 34, James Madison 33, Tennessee Tech 28, Northern Iowa 22, Montana 19, Princeton 19, UL Lafayette 19, UNC Asheville 18, Pepperdine 17, Wright State 10, Buffalo 9, Ball State 7, Illinois State 7, Northern Illinois 7, Columbia 5, Iona 5, Omaha 4, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 4, ETSU 2, CSU Bakersfield 1, Jacksonville 1, Navy 1, Southern 1.