and I'm sure someone will tell me if I missed any...
Friday 11/13 (6-6)
Wright State 77 South Dakota 69
West Virginia 107 Northern Kentucky 61
IUPUI 72 Indiana State 70
Milwaukee 71 Denver 58
Rhode Island 65 American 42 (Matthews 10 minutes, 0 pts before getting hurt)
Bradley 54 Ball State 53
Oral Roberts 80 Missouri State 65
San Francisco 78 UIC 75
Chicago State 137 Illinois Tech 59
Belmont 83 Marquette 80
Stanford 93 Green Bay 89 (OT)
Oregon 80 Jackson State 52
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Saturday 11/14 (2-2)
Cal State Northridge 72 Wright State 67
Oregon State 74 Northwestern Christian 52
Milwaukee 71 Lipscomb 65
Akron 65 Cleveland State 53
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Sunday 11/15 (1-1)
Northern Illinois 65 Wright State 59
Milwaukee 71 Cal State Santa Clara 65
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and looking ahead...
Monday 11/16
Eastern Illinois @ Ball State
Wyoming @ Indiana State
Central State of Ohio @ Detroit
Manchester @ IPFW
Chicago State @ Iowa State
Belmont @ Arizona State
... and...
Baylor @ Oregon... ESPN2 10:30 Valpo Time
Nicely done. While I hate to say we won't the Horizon, they're is always that room to lose the one tourney game. With Valpo's schedule, they could get an at large bid and this is like real time RPI!!!
Quote from: talksalot on November 15, 2015, 09:00:36 PMBaylor @ Oregon... ESPN2 10:30 Valpo Time
You can go to bed if you want but as a retiree I will be up watching all or part of this one.
What are the latest polls for mid-majors saying? Haven't seen any yet now that the season has started.
Quote from: valpo64 on November 16, 2015, 08:52:50 PM
What are the latest polls for mid-majors saying? Haven't seen any yet now that the season has started.
we are 38th in the AP poll
Quote from: valpo64 on November 16, 2015, 08:52:50 PM
What are the latest polls for mid-majors saying? Haven't seen any yet now that the season has started.
The coaches' poll updated.
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php (http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php)
We're still third, with a first place vote.
and for Monday 11/16:
Ball State 73 Eastern Illinois 56
Indiana State 70 Wyoming 55
Detroit 88 Central State Ohio 65
IPFW 85 Manchester 53
Iowa State 106 Chicago State 64
Belmont @ Arizona State -- ASU 36-32 at the half
... and...
Baylor @ Oregon... ESPN2 10:30 Valpo Time
Looking at Tuesday...11/17
Green Bay @ East Tennessee State... 5am Central time!
Milwaukee @ Notre Dame
Tiffin @ Northern Kentucky
Malone @ Cleveland State
UIC @ Western Illinois
Iona @ Oregon State (first pair of opponents squaring off)
And the Belmont win over Marquette had a little luster removed... Marquette was taken to OT by IUPUI before winning 75-71
But Belmont came out hot in the second half... they're up 44-40 on Arizona State in Tempe.
Baylor - Oregon on Oregon's home floor may be the most painful visual game in the history of college basketball. Owwww!!
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 16, 2015, 11:02:58 PM
Baylor - Oregon on Oregon's home floor may be the most painful visual game in the history of college basketball. Owwww!!
Man, we have to play on that court?
The volleyball lines at the ARC were bothering me.
Quote from: agibson on November 16, 2015, 11:56:07 PMMan, we have to play on that court?
Watching that game was like duck hunting while facing into the full morning sun. The Pac-12 should tell them to either change that floor or suspend their contracted TV revenues!
As for the game Baylor came out of their zone for extended periods to fight their way back into it. Oregon is very good and mixed up 2-3 zone and man but we have a shot to make this a ballgame. We need great ball movement penetration and enough healthy bodies to play solid stretches of man. Challenges are good.
Finishing up last night:
Arizona State 83 Belmont 74
Oregon 74 Baylor 67
So far this morning.... Tuesday...11/17
East Tennessee State 103 Green Bay 90.... 5am Central time! GB jumped out 15-4 at the first media break...and then fell back into their undisciplined offense and Bartow's team ran away... Nice Crowd in Johnson City for 6am eastern time...
for the rest of today, so you don't have to scroll up ....:
Milwaukee @ Notre Dame
Tiffin @ Northern Kentucky
Malone @ Cleveland State
UIC @ Western Illinois
Iona @ Oregon State (first pair of opponents squaring off)
Wednesday 11/18:
Toledo @ Youngstown State
Eastern Michigan @ Oakland
Western Kentucky @ Belmont
IPFW @ Austin Peay
IU_Northwest @ Chicago State (CSU Over/Under: 150)
Start with the Notre Dame win over Milwaukee...86-78
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151117_MILW@ND (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151117_MILW@ND)
Cleveland State 62 Malone 46
Northern Kentucky 83 Tiffin 71
Western Illinois 84 UIC 57
and Iona just getting underway against Oregon State
I put Wednesday's games up earlier...but I'll add Thursday's stuff so you have something to follow during the Trinity Christian game...
Wednesday 11/18:
Toledo @ Youngstown State
Eastern Michigan @ Oakland
Western Kentucky @ Belmont
IPFW @ Austin Peay
IU_Northwest @ Chicago State (CSU Over/Under: 150)
Thursday 11/19
Butler @ Missouri State
Green Bay @ Georgia Tech
Oregon State @ Rice
Oregon State beat Iona by 20, although Iona seemed to have a late charge. Noticed the Beavers have two famous kids -- Gary ("Mitten") Payton II and Stephen Thompson, Jr. The latter's Dad is an assistant coach at Oregon State. Sr. played at Syracuse in the late 80s (frosh on the 1987 team). He was a pretty good player as I recall on some very good Cuse teams in that era (back when college hoops was college hoops). :P So, some fun story lines. What's TV ("video links" for the Millennials) looking like for that game?
Assuming Valpo can squeak past these next two games, it's looking like the UofO and OSU series could end up being important in The Crusader's case for an at-large bid should anything go wrong in the conference tournament. I'm generally more optimistic but I have a really good feeling about Sunday and Tuesday--look forward to seeing them play live!
Quote from: valpo84 on November 18, 2015, 10:58:39 AM
Oregon State beat Iona by 20, although Iona seemed to have a late charge. Noticed the Beavers have two famous kids -- Gary ("Mitten") Payton II and Stephen Thompson, Jr. The latter's Dad is an assistant coach at Oregon State. Sr. played at Syracuse in the late 80s (frosh on the 1987 team). He was a pretty good player as I recall on some very good Cuse teams in that era (back when college hoops was college hoops). :P So, some fun story lines. What's TV ("video links" for the Millennials) looking like for that game?
I would expect the games to be on the PAC-12 networks (375-391 Time Warner, here in Dallas), I was watching the Iona-OSU game yesterday.
UWM could not have possibly shot the ball any better than they did against ND last night. Yet, they still lost by 8 points. To shoot that well from the floor, especially from 3 point land, and still lose could be seen as a positive or a negative. So, a bit of a confusing result that still leaves me questioning just how good they will be this year.
On the one hand they played a really good team close. On the other hand they might only shoot the ball like that once every 10 games, if that.
Quote from: vu72 on November 18, 2015, 11:23:28 AM
I would expect the games to be on the PAC-12 networks (375-391 Time Warner, here in Dallas), I was watching the Iona-OSU game yesterday.
Right, PAC-12 network. Anybody know a place in Valpo tha will show it with sound?
Wednesday's Results 11/18:
Toledo 97 Youngstown State 79
Oakland 91 Eastern Michigan 81
Belmont 90 Western Kentucky 85
IPFW 80 Austin Peay 77
Chicago State 105 IU Northwest 64
Thursday 11/19
Butler 93 Missouri State 59
Georgia Tech 107 Green Bay 77
Oregon State 77 Rice 69
Friday Schedule 11/20
Ball State at Eastern Kentucky
Delaware at Iona
Detroit at Pittsburgh
Wright State at Kentucky... yes, that Kentucky
Trinity (Illinois) at Milwaukee
Indiana State at Norfolk State
Savannah State at Oregon
Quote from: talksalot on November 19, 2015, 10:09:51 PM
Friday Schedule 11/20
Ball State at Eastern Kentucky
Delaware at Iona
Detroit at Pittsburgh
Wright State at Kentucky... yes, that Kentucky
Trinity (Illinois) at Milwaukee
BTW, that's Trinity International from up in north suburban Deerfield and not Trinity Christian from south suburban Palos Heights, who Valpo just handily beat, that the Panthers are playing.
and since this weekend won't be fit to do much outdoors....
Saturday 11/21
Belmont @ Evansville
SIUE @ IPFW
Trinity (Illinois) @ Chicago State
Ball State @ Longwood
Oregon State @ Santa Barbara
Morehead State @ Northern Kentucky
Youngstown State @ Florida Gulf Coast (tournament in Ft.Myers)
Cleveland State @ Rhode Island
Sunday 11/22
Bowling Green Vs. Youngstown (Tournament in Ft Myers)
Oakland @ Colorado State
South Carolina State @ Ball State
Minnesota-Duluth @ Green Bay
Missouri State @ Mississippi State
Tulsa @ Indiana State
Quote from: agibson on November 19, 2015, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 18, 2015, 11:23:28 AM
I would expect the games to be on the PAC-12 networks (375-391 Time Warner, here in Dallas), I was watching the Iona-OSU game yesterday.
Right, PAC-12 network. Anybody know a place in Valpo tha will show it with sound?
try on line at pac-12.com You will have to register but if your carrier has it you can see it online.
Quote from: talksalot on November 20, 2015, 04:43:20 PM
and since this weekend won't be fit to do much outdoors....
I hear you. 80° and sunny in LA. Too hot to do anything but drink beer.
I see I missed one game...
Minnesota 74 Missouri State 69 at the Puerto Rico shootout
Ball State at Eastern Kentucky 89 Ball State 81
Delaware at Iona
Detroit at Pittsburgh (Pitt 46-41 at the half, the UDM's Anton Wilson having 20 pts, 4/5 3ptrs)
Wright State at Kentucky... yes, that Kentucky (KY 39-26 at halftime)
Trinity (Illinois) at Milwaukee
Indiana State at Norfolk State
Savannah State at Oregon
Minnesota 74 Missouri State 69 at the Puerto Rico shootout (MoSt is now 0-3)
Ball State at Eastern Kentucky 89 Ball State 81
Iona 92 Delaware 77
Pittsburgh 95 Detroit 79 (Wilson had 20 at halftime... and finished with ... 20)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151120_DTROIT@PITT (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151120_DTROIT@PITT)
Wright State at Kentucky 78 Wright State 63
Milwaukee 85 Trinity (Ill) 61
Indiana State 70 Norfolk State 61
Oregon 77 Savannah State 59
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151120_SAV@OREG (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151120_SAV@OREG)
Good to see Iona get a win.
Rhode Island 73 Cleveland State 45
As a reminder:
Valpo 58 Rhode Island 55
Saturday 11/21
Evansville 93 Belmont (2-2) 88
IPFW (3-1) 87 - SIUE 67
Trinity (Illinois) @ Chicago State (3-1) 81 Trinity (Ill) 70
Ball State (2-2) 78 Longwood 67
Oregon State (4-0) 71 Santa Barbara 59
Morehead State 64 Northern Kentucky (1-2) 56
Florida Gulf Coast 104 Youngstown State (0-3) 101 - Triple OT
Rhode Island (2-1) 73 Cleveland State (1-2) 45...
Here's the box score:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151121_CLEVST@RI (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151121_CLEVST@RI)
Rhody shot 70% from the field in the first half; CSU had 4 assists on 15 baskets.
Valpo and Milwaukee are the only HL teams with more than 1 victory.
Sunday 11/22
Bowling Green Vs. Youngstown (Tournament in Ft Myers)
Oakland @ Colorado State
South Carolina State @ Ball State
Minnesota-Duluth @ Green Bay
Missouri State @ Mississippi State
Tulsa @ Indiana State
Monday 11/23
Murray State @ Milwaukee
Belmont @ So Alabama
Youngstown State @ North Dakota (Florida Gulf Tourney)
Michigan-Dearborn @ Detroit
Chicago State @ Illinois
Northern Kentucky @ Xavier
Quote from: talksalot on November 21, 2015, 10:49:23 PMRhode Island (2-1) 73 Cleveland State (1-2) 45... Here's the box score: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151121_CLEVST@RI (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151121_CLEVST@RI) Rhody shot 70% from the field in the first half; CSU had 4 assists on 15 baskets. Valpo and Milwaukee are the only HL teams with more than 1 victory.
Not sure if encouraged that we are good or discouraged that our conference SOS won't be.
Seriously, teams 4-10 in the HL need to start picking it up. I know it's early yet, but a couple of big nonconference wins by our HL opponents can help us out substantially.
Sunday 11/22
Bowling Green 79. Youngstown State (0-4) 72 (Tournament in Ft Myers)
Colorado State 95 Oakland (1-1) 89
Ball State (3-2) 72 South Carolina State 60
Green Bay (1-3) 94 Minnesota-Duluth 74
Mississippi State 84 Missouri State (0-4) 70 Puerto Rico Tip Off
Tulsa 67 Indiana State (2-1) 59
OOC Sagarin's - through Saturday 11/21... Yup... wayyyy too early... but shows why Tuesday is a need-to-get.
VALPO: 39
IPFW 173
IONA 148
RHODY 40
Duckz 31
Beav's 44
Ball St 216
Belmont 106
Indiana St 147
Chi State 341
Mo State 234
Rank, W-L and SOS (Through Sat)
39 Valparaiso 3 0 146
108 Oakland-Mich. 1 0 199
111 Milwaukee 3 1 135
171 Detroit 0 1 14
183 Wright 1 3 136
208 Green 0 3 50
221 Cleveland 0 2 23
279 Youngstown 0 3 148
285 Illinois-Chicago 0 2 147
319 Northern Kentucky 0 2 48
Monday 11/23
Murray State 66 Milwaukee (4-2) 63
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_MURYST@MILW (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_MURYST@MILW)
Belmont (3-2) 98 So Alabama 85
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_BELMONT@SALAB (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_BELMONT@SALAB)
Youngstown State (1-4) 79 North Dakota 69 (Florida Gulf Tourney) - Slocum gets #700
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_YOUNG@NDAK (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_YOUNG@NDAK)
Detroit (2-1) 122 Michigan Dearborn 70 (no recap)
Illinois 82 Chicago State 79 (Illinois with a 3-pointer at the buzzer to win it)
Indiana State (3-2) 67 Hofstra 66 (Virgin Islands)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_INDST@HOFSTRA (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_INDST@HOFSTRA)
Xavier 78 No Kentucky 66
(PS, Wins over Marquette took a jump in stature today... Marq 81-80 over #22 LSU
Tuesday 11/24
Rider @ Cleveland State
TCU @ Rhode Island
IPFW @ Miami (OH)
Mount St Joseph * @ Wright State
Roosevelt @ UIC
Oakland @ Southern Illinois
Akron @ Green Bay
*The Lions (1-1), Delphi Street, Cincinnati... crowds of 200 and 346 at their two home games
BTW, Cleveland State has scheduled a number of games this year at the Q, home of the Cavs, including the Valpo tilt. Not sure why they are doing that because 1000 people will look a lot smaller in that arena, plus it's a good walk for students to get there. Plus side is lots more restaurant choices. Guess trying to help recruiting by being able to say you get to play where Lebron has trod. Also watched NKU last night versus X (for a few minutes anyway). NKU's Geisler is decent and they have decent size, but speed, depth and defense make their 300 sagarin ranking legitimate. Again, why would we let them in the conference? Another huge drag on conference ratings.
Quote from: valpo84 on November 24, 2015, 09:14:45 AMNKU's Geisler is decent and they have decent size, but speed, depth and defense make their 300 sagarin ranking legitimate. Again, why would we let them in the conference? Another huge drag on conference ratings.
It's too bad - their soccer teams looked good.
Quote from: talksalot on November 23, 2015, 09:30:44 PMMurray State 66 Milwaukee (4-2) 63
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_MURYST@MILW (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151123_MURYST@MILW)
Twitter made it sound like a three-pointer that would have sent it to overtime was waved off at the buzzer.
UWM playing right now vs. Duquesne, in Naples, FL. In OT with 7.5 secs left -- UWM down 95-92. Duquesne steal and UWM foul. Final 96-92.
Tuesday 11/24
Rider @ Cleveland State
UWM @ Duquesne
TCU @ Rhode Island
IPFW @ Miami (OH)
Mount St Joseph @ Wright State
Roosevelt @ UIC
Oakland @ Southern Illinois
Akron @ Green Bay
Belmont vs Kennesaw State (Legends SubRegional)
Wednesday 11/25
Indiana - Kokomo @ Ball State
Arkansas State @ Oregon
Thiel College @ Youngstown State (last game of the FGCU tournament)
Rhode Island @ Maryland - Cancun Challenge
Milwaukee @ Central Michigan - Gulf Coast Showcase
Cleveland State @ South Dakota State - Cancun Challenge
Thursday - No Games for our opponents on Thanksgiving
Friday 11/27
Alcorn State @ Oakland
Chicago State @ Jacksonville State
William Woods @ Missouri State
IPFW vs Jacksonville "Spartan Showcase" - Greensboro
Saturday 11/28
Detroit @ Oral Roberts
Youngstown @ Niagara
UIC @ Drake
Wright State @ George Mason
IPFW @ NC-Greensboro - "Spartan Showcase"
Green Bay @ Eastern Illinois
Cleveland State @ Maryland
Belmont @ BYU
Sunday 11/29
Navy vs IPFW "Spartan Showcase" - Greensboro
Rider @ Rhode Island
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 24, 2015, 01:15:41 PM
UWM playing right now vs. Duquesne, in Naples, FL. In OT with 7.5 secs left -- UWM down 95-92. Duquesne steal and UWM foul. Final 96-92.
Duquesne was picked to finish 11th in the A-10 preseason poll.
Quote from: wh on November 24, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
Duquesne was picked to finish 11th in the A-10 preseason poll.
Impossible. It says right there -- A-10. Badda boom - badda bing :lol:
Wait.. it get's worse! they use the same math as the B1G...I count 14... and what's worser... only George Mason has a losing record!!!
Men's Basketball A-10 Overall
Team Record Pct Record Pct
George Washington 0-0 .000 5-0 1.000
Massachusetts 0-0 .000 4-0 1.000
Davidson 0-0 .000 3-0 1.000
Dayton 0-0 .000 3-0 1.000
La Salle 0-0 .000 3-0 1.000
Saint Louis 0-0 .000 3-0 1.000
Duquesne 0-0 .000 4-1 .800
Saint Joseph's 0-0 .000 4-1 .800
Richmond 0-0 .000 3-1 .750
Fordham 0-0 .000 2-1 .667
Rhode Island 0-0 .000 2-1 .667
St. Bonaventure 0-0 .000 2-1 .667
VCU 0-0 .000 2-2 .500
George Mason 0-0 .000 2-3 .400
Quote from: valpo84 on November 24, 2015, 09:14:45 AM
BTW, Cleveland State has scheduled a number of games this year at the Q, home of the Cavs, including the Valpo tilt. Not sure why they are doing that because 1000 people will look a lot smaller in that arena, plus it's a good walk for students to get there. Plus side is lots more restaurant choices. Guess trying to help recruiting by being able to say you get to play where Lebron has trod. Also watched NKU last night versus X (for a few minutes anyway). NKU's Geisler is decent and they have decent size, but speed, depth and defense make their 300 sagarin ranking legitimate. Again, why would we let them in the conference? Another huge drag on conference ratings.
These are with players recruited to play against ASUN competition while not being post-season eligible. They have 5 commits coming in next year including two 3-star recruits. The Horizon admitted NKU for their long term potential, not for an immediate boost. They have as good of class as any Horizon team coming in, and Brannen seems like a good recruiter.
...and they may have the nicest venue in the league. I only say this for its recruiting potential. Plus that venue might attract top flight OOC opponents to visit (also a recruiting advantage).
It would be good to see pre-HL attendance figures. It would even better to see local citizen support figures. Posters have bemoaned our less than fanatical local support
Quote from: a3uge on November 24, 2015, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on November 24, 2015, 09:14:45 AM
BTW, Cleveland State has scheduled a number of games this year at the Q, home of the Cavs, including the Valpo tilt. Not sure why they are doing that because 1000 people will look a lot smaller in that arena, plus it's a good walk for students to get there. Plus side is lots more restaurant choices. Guess trying to help recruiting by being able to say you get to play where Lebron has trod. Also watched NKU last night versus X (for a few minutes anyway). NKU's Geisler is decent and they have decent size, but speed, depth and defense make their 300 sagarin ranking legitimate. Again, why would we let them in the conference? Another huge drag on conference ratings.
These are with players recruited to play against ASUN competition while not being post-season eligible. They have 5 commits coming in next year including two 3-star recruits. The Horizon admitted NKU for their long term potential, not for an immediate boost. They have as good of class as any Horizon team coming in, and Brannen seems like a good recruiter.
Good to know about NKU. Unfortunately, the only HL programs that appear to be on the rise right now are its 3 newest members - Valpo, Oakland and NKU.
Quote from: talksalot on November 20, 2015, 07:58:30 PM
I see I missed one game...
Minnesota 74 Missouri State 69 at the Puerto Rico shootout
Ball State at Eastern Kentucky 89 Ball State 81
Delaware at Iona
Detroit at Pittsburgh (Pitt 46-41 at the half, the UDM's Anton Wilson having 20 pts, 4/5 3ptrs)
Wright State at Kentucky... yes, that Kentucky (KY 39-26 at halftime)
Trinity (Illinois) at Milwaukee
Indiana State at Norfolk State
Savannah State at Oregon
hode Isaland v. TCU in a Mexican tourney. Rhody is up 3 in the second half. If someone we beat beats a power 5 team does that count for us?? :crazy:
I like my MBA alma mater, but they are terrible at basketball. Beating TCU in basketball is not saying anything :)
Tuesday 11/24
Cleveland State (2-2) 57 Rider 52
UWM @ Duquesne 96 Milwaukee (4-3) 92
Rhode Island (3-1) 66 TCU 60
IPFW (4-1) 57 Miami (OH) 53
Wright State (2-3) 66 Mt St Joseph 52
UIC (1-2) 96 Roosevelt 58
Southern Illinois 97 Oakland (1-2) 88
Green Bay (2-3) 66 Akron 63
Belmont (4-2) 80 Kennesaw State 55 (Legends SubRegional)
and I see Marquette won another one ... beating Arizona State !
Quote from: talksalot on November 24, 2015, 10:14:20 PMTuesday 11/24 Cleveland State (2-2) 57 Rider 52 UWM @ Duquesne 96 Milwaukee (4-3) 92 Rhode Island (3-1) 66 TCU 60 IPFW (4-1) 57 Miami (OH) 53 Wright State (2-3) 66 Mt St Joseph 52 UIC (1-2) 96 Roosevelt 58 Southern Illinois 97 Oakland (1-2) 88 Green Bay (2-3) 66 Akron 63 Belmont (4-2) 80 Kennesaw State 55 (Legends SubRegional) and I see Marquette won another one ... beating Arizona State !
Finally, a good night in the Horizon.
Oakland and Milwaukee don't play defense. So much for the RPI of the Horizon League.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on November 24, 2015, 10:24:46 PMFinally, a good night in the Horizon.
Where good is, alas, 3-2 agains the D1, with an additional moral victory from Milwaukee.
Quote from: agibson on November 24, 2015, 11:35:19 PMQuote from: hailcrusaders on November 24, 2015, 10:24:46 PMFinally, a good night in the Horizon.
Where good is, alas, 3-2 agains the D1, with an additional moral victory from Milwaukee.
4-2 including our win.
Quote from: agibson on November 24, 2015, 11:35:19 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on November 24, 2015, 10:24:46 PMFinally, a good night in the Horizon.
Where good is, alas, 3-2 agains the D1, with an additional moral victory from Milwaukee.
"Against D1" -- you're right. Didn't catch that the first time.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on November 25, 2015, 02:36:24 AM
"Against D1" -- you're right. Didn't catch that the first time.
Conference RPI is up to 17th!
Wednesday Scores - I'll just keep updating...
Ball State (4-2) 90 IU-Kokomo 54
Oregon (5-0) 91 Arkansas State 68 - Line was 22
Youngstown State (2-4) 69 Thiel 55 (last game of the FGCU tournament)
Maryland 86 Rhode Island (3-2) 63 - Cancun Challenge - Line was MD -6.5
Milwaukee (5-3) 84 Central Michigan 78 - Gulf Coast Showcase
South Dakota State 77 Cleveland State (2-3) 66- Cancun Challenge
For anyone interested in following any of our key OOC opponents on TV, Rhode Island is playing Maryland tonight at 7:30p CT on the CBS Sports Network (CBSSN). This would be a big win for the 3-1 Rams against the 4-0 Terps.
I sure don't want to start the too-big-for-our-britches griping about our conference, but damn, Youngstown State is in danger of being beaten by Thiel College. Sigh.
Quote from: wh on November 25, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
For anyone interested in following any of our key OOC opponents on TV, Rhode Island is playing Maryland tonight at 7:30p CT on the CBS Sports Network (CBSSN). This would be a big win for the 3-1 Rams against the 4-0 Terps.
I'm no expert but it appears to me that the Rhode Island win is getting better all the time. Playing against #2 Maryland sure isn't going to hurt their RPI, .but they also beat TCU last night who just beat Illinois State, picked by Lindy's to finish 2nd in the Valley. I expect Rhody to give the Terps a battle.
MD up on Rhody... 31-13 at the under-8 media break...
and speaking of teams with 6 wins on the season...
South Dakota State picked up win #6... beating Cleveland State tonight...
and Vandy is going for win #6 tonight... 'cepting they got Kansas in the Maui Invitational...
Maryland is either really really good or Rhode Island played the worst game they could. Probably a bit of both.
Quote from: Valpower on November 25, 2015, 07:07:36 PM
I sure don't want to start the too-big-for-our-britches griping about our conference, but damn, Youngstown State is in danger of being beaten by Thiel College. Sigh.
Thiel College is an ELCA school in Greenville, PA which is just northeast of Youngstown about 35 miles. Final score 69-55 YSU.
so checking out our competition's losses so far....
IPFW - Only Lost to Valpo
IONA - Only Lost to Valpo and Oregon State
RHODE ISLAND - Only Lost to Valpo and #2 Maryland
OREGON - Undefeated
OREGON STATE - Only Lost to Valpo
looking forward
Ball State: Losses to Bradley and Eastern Kentucky
Belmont: Losses to Arizona State and Evansville
Indiana State: Losses to IUPUI and Tulsa
Chicago State: Losses to Iowa State and Illinois
Missouri State: Losses to Oral Roberts, Butler, Minnesota and Mississippi State
Ball State, Belmont and Milwaukee are the only teams left on our schedule with a winning D1 record.
So the rest of the Season should be walk in the park? ::)
Quote from: vu72 on November 25, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: wh on November 25, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
For anyone interested in following any of our key OOC opponents on TV, Rhode Island is playing Maryland tonight at 7:30p CT on the CBS Sports Network (CBSSN). This would be a big win for the 3-1 Rams against the 4-0 Terps.
I'm no expert but it appears to me that the Rhode Island win is getting better all the time. Playing against #2 Maryland sure isn't going to hurt their RPI, .but they also beat TCU last night who just beat Illinois State, picked by Lindy's to finish 2nd in the Valley. I expect Rhody to give the Terps a battle.
Terps 86, URI 63, not much of a battle.
MD/URI SC highlights
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?categoryId=2459792&id=14227828 (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?categoryId=2459792&id=14227828)
OK... back in town... sorrows appropriately drowned from Saturday's outcome....
Friday 11/27
Oakland (2-2) 84 Alcorn State 51
Jacksonville State 68 Chicago State (3-3) 65 "Emerald Coast Classic"
Missouri State (1-4) 77 William Woods 56
IPFW (5-1) 71 Jacksonville 63 @"Spartan Showcase" - Greensboro
Saturday 11/28
Alabama State 66 Chicago State (3-4) "Emerald Coast Classic"
Oral Roberts 100 Detroit (2-2) 95
Oakland (3-2) 85 Abilene Christian 57
Youngstown (3-4) 88 Niagara 70
UIC @ Drake 83 UIC (1-3) 62
George Mason 66 Wright State (2-4) 39 * (WSU trailed 32-10 at the half)
IPFW (6-1) 64 NC-Greensboro 58 "Spartan Showcase"
Green Bay (3-3) 81 Eastern Illinois 72
Maryland 80 Cleveland State (2-4) 63
BYU 95 Belmont (4-3) 81 (Belmont led 42-40 at halftime)
Sunday 11/29
Navy 75 IPFW (6-2) 53 "Spartan Showcase" - Greensboro
Rhode Island (4-2) 82 Rider 57
MONDAY 11/30 schedule
Northern Kentucky (1-3) @ NC A&T (0-7)
Fresno State (5-0) @ Oregon (5-0)
Green Bay (3-3) @ SIU-Edwardsville (1-4)
TUESDAY 12/1 Schedule
Fairfield @ Iona
Albion College @ Wright State
IUPUI @ Ball State
Oakland @ Georgia
Indiana State @ Eastern Illinois
Lipscomb @ Belmont
Utah State @ Missouri State
MONDAY 11/30 Results...
NC A&T 74 Northern Kentucky (1-4) 63 NCA&T's first win of the year
Oregon (6-0) 78 Fresno State 73 Fresno was undefeated going into this one
Green Bay (4-3) 87 SIU-Edwardsville 69
TUESDAY 12/1 Finals
Georgia 86 Oakland (3-3) 82....
previously winless Eastern Illinois 68 Indiana State (3-3) 62
Belmont (4-3) 105 Lipscomb 89
Utah State 69 Missouri State (1-5) 68
Iona (2-2) 101 Fairfield 77
Wright State (3-4) 68 Albion 50
Ball State (6-2) 61 IUPUI 58
Wednesday 12/2 Schedule
Cleveland State @ Toledo
Robert Morris @ Youngstown State
Holy Cross @ Rhode Island
DePaul @ UIC
Detroit @ #16 Vanderbilt
Chicago State @ Northern Illinois
Loyola Marymount @ Oregon State
Quote from: talksalot on December 01, 2015, 07:23:57 PMBelmont (4-3) 105 Lipscomb 89
The battle of Nashville that doesn't involve Vanderbilt or Tennessee State.
Iona beat Fairfield tonite, but what caught my eye in the box score was their star A.J. English scored 46 points. Wow. Valpo did a great job holding him in check offensively when we played Iona.
Wednesday 12/2 Results
Toledo 76 Cleveland State (2-5) 65
Youngstown State (4-4) 65 Robert Morris 58
Rhode Island (5-2) 74 Holy Cross 56
DePaul 82 UIC (1-4) 55
#16 Vanderbilt 102 Detroit (2-3) 52
Chicago State @ Northern Illinois 80 Chicago State (3-5) 58
Oregon State (5-1) 79 Loyola Marymount 70
** Baylor won... Drew Family Win #993
Thursday 12/3
**Valpo won... Drew Family Win #994
Milwaukee (6-3) 64 SIU Edwardsville 51
IPFW (7-2) 75 Cal Poly 73 that win is looking better and better!
Friday 12/4 Schedule
Iona @ Marist
American Univ @ Youngstown State
Georgia State @ Wright State
Oregon @ UNLV
Saturday 12/5
Indiana State @ Butler
Chicago State @ DePaul
New Orleans @ Ball State
IPFW @ Utah
Northeastern @ Detroit
Kent State @ Cleveland State
Missouri State @ Oklahoma State
Oakland @ Robert Morris
Nevada @ Oregon State
Providence @ Rhode Island
UIC @ UCF~don't call me Central Florida
Northern Kentucky @ Eastern Illinois
Sunday 12/6
Toledo @ Green Bay
He he he:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi)
Quote from: talksalot on December 03, 2015, 10:00:33 PMGeorgia State @ Wright State
I'm going to this game. Travel to Dayton from Valpo anytime you can witness the Ron Hunter show ;)
Quote from: Just Sayin on December 04, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
He he he:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi)
If you scroll down this list you will find that many major conference schools have yet to play a true road game and the overwhelming majority of the rest are stuck at one. Our 2-2 road record stands out like a sore thumb.
Quote from: justducky on December 04, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on December 04, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
He he he:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi)
If you scroll down this list you will find that many major conference schools have yet to play a true road game and the overwhelming majority of the rest are stuck at one. Our 2-2 road record stands out like a sore thumb.
As does Oregon's splashy 6-0 home, 0-0 neutral, 0-0 Away record. ::)
Quote from: justducky on December 04, 2015, 01:31:55 PMIf you scroll down this list you will find that many major conference schools have yet to play a true road game and the overwhelming majority of the rest are stuck at one. Our 2-2 road record stands out like a sore thumb.
In comparison Butler, Indiana, Purdue, and ND each have only one true road OOC opponent for the season. Nuff said!
I'm watching Wright St. vs. our old friend Coach Hunter and GA. State. (I know its a lame Friday night). It's just half time but WSU is losing to GA St. I understand they won a game last year in the tournament. Therefore I don't know if it would be a bad lost or not. Regardless it doesn't help the HL. I started looking at how the conference is doing in the occ. It's not good.
Top 3 wins as a conference 1. Valpo vs. Oregon St. 2. Valpo vs. Rhode Island 3. Valpo vs. Iona (Is this because I have Crusader glasses on or is it reality?)
Worse 3 loses as a conference = By score...Detroit lost by 50 to Vandy. But worse rpi or team loss would be 1. new comer NKU to Carolina A&M. 2. Green Bay lost to East Tennessee. 3. WSU lost to California Northridge or YSU lost to American.
I know its early and it will sort itself out. But Based on Kenpom the Horizon ranked 17 and Summit at 15. And we know that once Valpo starts playing NKU and YSU two times each, our rpi will go down.
Oregon looking like crap away at UNLV. Down 14 at the half. If we had played them on a neutral court let alone at home....
Friday 12/4 Results... our opponents go 1-3 on the night...all of the road teams won !
Iona (3-2) 101 Marist 66... RedFoxes only win is over Dartmouth, lost to #316 Holy Cross
American Univ 60 Youngstown State (4-5) 56... American's other win is over New Hampshire... they've been blown out in all other games
Georgia State 59 Wright State (3-5) 46... GAState other win is over winless IUPUI, Loss to Ole Miss and UAB
UNLV 80 Oregon (6-1) 69 Rebels are 7-1, only loss to UCLA, also beat IU. Ducks first road game of the year, they head to Honolulu for a Monday night game with Navy at Pearl Harbor.
This night was real RPI killer, let us hope Saturday is better!
Quote from: nkvu on December 04, 2015, 11:07:55 PMOregon looking like crap away at UNLV. Down 14 at the half. If we had played them on a neutral court let alone at home....
UNLV is good. Only lost they have is a 2 point game to UCLA.
Quote from: talksalot on December 05, 2015, 07:34:22 AM
Friday 12/4 Results... our opponents go 1-3 on the night...all of the road teams won !
Iona (3-2) 101 Marist 66... RedFoxes only win is over Dartmouth, lost to #316 Holy Cross
American Univ 60 Youngstown State (4-5) 56... American's other win is over New Hampshire... they've been blown out in all other games
Georgia State 59 Wright State (3-5) 46... GAState other win is over winless IUPUI, Loss to Ole Miss and UAB
UNLV 80 Oregon (6-1) 69 Rebels are 7-1, only loss to UCLA, also beat IU. Ducks first road game of the year, they head to Honolulu for a Monday night game with Navy at Pearl Harbor.
This night was real RPI killer, let us hope Saturday is better!
Down to #3? But Iona made it into the top 50. Be great if they could end the season there (not much chance, their conference SoS will presumably hurt like ours).
Quote from: talksalot on December 05, 2015, 07:34:22 AMGAState other win is over winless IUPUI
IUPUI beat Indiana State 72-70 at the Hulman Center in Terre Haute, beat Kentucky State (Div II) 86-82 and beat Miami (OH) this afternoon 72-60 at the Indiana Farmers Coliseum (the State Fair Coliseum that was renovated).
Thanks for that correction, bb...don't know what I was looking at...
Saturday 12/5
Butler 85 Indiana State (3-4) 71
Here's the Box: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400825767 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400825767)
DePaul 96 Chicago State (3-6) 72
Ball State (7-2) 66 New Orleans 52
Utah 96 IPFW (7-3) 79
Here's the Recap: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151205_IPFW@UTAH (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151205_IPFW@UTAH)
Detroit (3-3) 76 Northeastern 73
Here's the Box Score: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400817643 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400817643)
Kent State 66 Cleveland State (2-6) 62
Missouri State (2-5) 64 Oklahoma State 63 !! Nice Road Win for the Bears! Here's the recap: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400816980 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400816980)
Oakland (4-3) 92 Robert Morris 74 Max Hooper scored 24 points with eight 3-pointers -- both career highs -- and Oakland beat ...
Oregon State (6-1) 66 Nevada 62
Providence 74 Rhode Island Rhode Island (5-3) 72
It all came down to the buzzer when sophomore F Ben Bentil scored the game-winning tip as Providence beat Rhode Island 74-72. Bentil led all scorers with 23 points and eight rebounds, marking his 6th straight 20-point game.
UCF 88 UIC (1-5) 58
Eastern Illinois 79 Northern Kentucky 73 (OT)
Monday 12/7
Binghampton @ Oakland
Belmont @ Lipscomb... the rematch of the Battle of the Boulevard
Oregon vs Navy @ Pearl Harbor
Tuesday 12/8
Houston @ Rhode Island
Wright State @ Xavier
Iona @ Tulsa
Sunday's result...
Toledo 71 Green Bay (4-4) 69... with a 3-pointer at the buzzer to win it at the Resch center...
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 04, 2015, 07:33:08 PM
I'm watching Wright St. vs. our old friend Coach Hunter and GA. State. (I know its a lame Friday night). It's just half time but WSU is losing to GA St. I understand they won a game last year in the tournament. Therefore I don't know if it would be a bad lost or not. Regardless it doesn't help the HL. I started looking at how the conference is doing in the occ. It's not good.
Realtime RPI and NCAA have them at approximately 100 RPI (ESPN's RPI is 178)*, so it may or may not be a bad loss, I don't know.
I was at this game and got a feel for how intimidating the Nutter Center can be -- for fans, that is. Parking is a bit of an adventure. The parking for commoners is at the entrance to the area (there's a pond in between there and the Nutter Center). If you go past it, you'll get the runaround from the attendant at the first stop and the attendant at the 2nd stop. On the positive side, they are the first venue I've gone to with an electronic image of my ticket that gave me a printed copy of it (that was necessary in my case because my phone was about to die).
For anyone here who has been there, I'm wondering if the following is typical or just an oversight: during lineup presentations, the PA guy announced the Panther's starting 5 but did *not* announce the head coach or his assistants. Is that a thing at WSU or was this just a mixup?
It was kind of hard for me to distinguish GSU from a typical Ron Hunter IUPUI squad. Up tempo, a mix of what I assume some would call junk defenses, a bit undisciplined at times. The only indicator that it was not was wearing 32 and I believe has a championship ring with his previous school, though Kevin Ware didn't look like he was a cut above the rest of the players Friday night.
I thought the pace of the first half was to Billy Donlon's liking. The article in the DDN sort of backs that up, Donlon was only displeased with the offense. The 2nd half? Not sure what happened there, it all happened so fast. The end of the game was like a mirror image of a number of IUPUI games I remember where they press all over the place and cut into a big lead. This time it was Wright State doing that, but it wasn't enough.
Oh yeah, and Ron Hunter's still got game on the sidelines.
* What's with all the wildly different rankings all calling it "RPI"? There's only one RPI formula, as far as I know.
Monday 12/7 (opponents go 3-0 on the day)
Oakland (5-3) 83 Binghamton 72
Belmont (6-4) 93 Lipscomb 84
Oregon (7-1) 67 Navy 47
Tuesday 12/8 so we go 1-2 on the night...
Rhode Island (6-3) 67 Houston 57
Wright State @ Xavier 90 Wright State (3-6) 55 in a game that was not that close
Iona @ Tulsa 90 Iona (3-3) 81
and within 2 minutes of that going final, our SOS falls from 2 to 3; but the NolanRPI stays at #2 for the time being.
and interesting: UTA 97 Bradley 61. Braves fall to 1-9 on the year. Their only win, 54-53 over Ball State in the season opener.
Wednesday 12/9
IPFW @ IU(Bloomington)
Toledo @ Detroit
Milwaukee @ Wisconsin
Thursday 12/10
IUPUI @ Missouri State
Friday 12/11
only 6 D-1 games in the country... ought to give VU-Chicago State a good pick on the officials !
Saturday 12/12
Ohio @ Cleveland State
Bowling Green @ Detroit
Pepperdine @ Ball State
Austin Peay @ IPFW
Youngstown State @ Purdue
UIC @ Illinois
Oregon @ Boise State
Oakland @ Toledo
Oregon State @ Kansas (ok, that would be a nice win)
I see when I do a modify, it does not trigger a change-date on the search... so here's the results/schedule for this week...
Monday 12/7 (opponents go 3-0 on the day)
Oakland (5-3) 83 Binghamton 72
Belmont (6-4) 93 Lipscomb 84
Oregon (7-1) 67 Navy 47
Tuesday 12/8 so we go 1-2 on the night...
Rhode Island (6-3) 67 Houston 57
Wright State @ Xavier 90 Wright State (3-6) 55 in a game that was not that close
Iona @ Tulsa 90 Iona (3-3) 81
and within 2 minutes of that going final, our SOS falls from 2 to 3; but the NolanRPI stays at #2 for the time being.
and interesting: UTA 97 Bradley 61. Braves fall to 1-9 on the year. Their only win, 54-53 over Ball State in the season opener.
Wednesday 12/9
IPFW @ IU(Bloomington)
Toledo @ Detroit
Milwaukee @ Wisconsin
Thursday 12/10
IUPUI @ Missouri State
Friday 12/11
only 6 D-1 games in the country... ought to give VU-Chicago State a good pick on the officials !
Saturday 12/12
Ohio @ Cleveland State
Bowling Green @ Detroit
Pepperdine @ Ball State
Austin Peay @ IPFW
Youngstown State @ Purdue
UIC @ Illinois
Oregon @ Boise State
Oakland @ Toledo
Oregon State @ Kansas (ok, that would be a nice win)
I see when I do a modify, it does not trigger a change-date on the search... so here's the results/schedule for this week...
Monday 12/7 (opponents go 3-0 on the day)
Oakland (5-3) 83 Binghamton 72
Belmont (6-4) 93 Lipscomb 84
Oregon (7-1) 67 Navy 47
Tuesday 12/8 so we go 1-2 on the night...
Rhode Island (6-3) 67 Houston 57
Wright State @ Xavier 90 Wright State (3-6) 55 in a game that was not that close
Iona @ Tulsa 90 Iona (3-3) 81
and within 2 minutes of that going final, our SOS falls from 2 to 3; but the NolanRPI stays at #2 for the time being.
and interesting: UTA 97 Bradley 61. Braves fall to 1-9 on the year. Their only win, 54-53 over Ball State in the season opener.
Wednesday 12/9... Opponents go 2-1 on the night... up to 6-3 on the week.
IU(Bloomington) 90 IPFW (7-4) 65 ... this game & playing #204 ISU caused the RPI SOS to fall from 3 to 8
Detroit (4-3) 75 Toledo 72 Nice win for the titans...
Milwaukee (7-3) 68 Wisconsin 67 !! Thank you Panthers !!
Thursday 12/10
IUPUI @ Missouri State
Friday 12/11
only 6 D-1 games in the country... ought to give VU-Chicago State a good pick on the officials !
Saturday 12/12
Ohio @ Cleveland State
Bowling Green @ Detroit
Pepperdine @ Ball State
Austin Peay @ IPFW
Youngstown State @ Purdue
UIC @ Illinois
Oregon @ Boise State
Oakland @ Toledo
Oregon State @ Kansas (ok, that would be a nice win)
For what it's worth, talksalot, it does at least show logged-in users that there is new (unread) content. That said, without an occasional bump, it could sink into page 2.
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2015, 08:24:15 PMDetroit (4-3) 75 Toledo 72 Nice win for the titans...
Detroit pulled it out. Toledo had a wide open look at a 3 pointer in the last seconds but couldn't get it to go down. Detroit had a steal and a home run pass that yielded 2 points each i the last 70 seconds that really won the game for the Titans.
Coach McCallum mentioned in the post game interview that they wanted to win the game for Titan Reggie and actually called him Titan Reggie. The break before the game started the Titan team broke the huddle with the chant "Titan Reggie." My prayers also go out for him.
Quote from: bbtds on December 09, 2015, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2015, 08:24:15 PMDetroit (4-3) 75 Toledo 72 Nice win for the titans...
Detroit pulled it out. Toledo had a wide open look at a 3 pointer in the last seconds but couldn't get it to go down. Detroit had a steal and a home run pass that yielded 2 points each i the last 70 seconds that really won the game for the Titans.
Coach McCallum mentioned in the post game interview that they wanted to win the game for Titan Reggie and actually called him Titan Reggie. The break before the game started the Titan team broke the huddle with the chant "Titan Reggie." My prayers also go out for him.
The same freshman that beat Green Bay missed the shot to tie for OT.
BTW
Titan Reggie passed away this morning. :(
http://www.wxyz.com/sports/reggie-hall-longtime-wxyz-sports-producer-dies-at-58 (http://www.wxyz.com/sports/reggie-hall-longtime-wxyz-sports-producer-dies-at-58)
UWM up on Wisconsin. Hang on tight!
Great win for UWM! Hopefully some of their students wear their university's gear instead of their Wisconsin Badgers hoodies tomorrow.
UWM 68
UW 67 ;D
~~Titan Reggie passed away this morning. :(
Blessings and prayers to the family...
Quote from: ValpoFan on December 09, 2015, 10:15:39 PM
UWM 68
UW 67 ;D
Wow, congrats to Milw and our friends on the Milw board. Big win for them and the league.
Quote from: bbtds on December 09, 2015, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2015, 08:24:15 PMDetroit (4-3) 75 Toledo 72 Nice win for the titans...
Detroit pulled it out. Toledo had a wide open look at a 3 pointer in the last seconds but couldn't get it to go down. Detroit had a steal and a home run pass that yielded 2 points each i the last 70 seconds that really won the game for the Titans.
Coach McCallum mentioned in the post game interview that they wanted to win the game for Titan Reggie and actually called him Titan Reggie. The break before the game started the Titan team broke the huddle with the chant "Titan Reggie." My prayers also go out for him.
So touching!
Oakland has 4 more important games prior to HL play. They will play at Toledo (142 RPI), Washington (59 RPI), Michigan St (14 RPI), and Virginia (35 RPI). They are soon to be at full strength (maybe this weekend?) with Martez Walker and getting a split or better from these 4 should be their goal.
Can Kampe control this bunch from court side while Felder coordinates action on the court? We should have a greater understanding of Oakland's true 15-16 potential from their performance in the next 3 weeks.
Side Issue:
I never pay much attention to RealTime RPI and here is an example of why. Realtime has as their scouting predictions a Toledo win by 18, Washington by 21, Michigan St by 13 and Virginia by 26. If RealTime wanted to take bets on those margins I think I could have them in bankruptcy by January. :whiteflag:
Quote from: justducky on December 10, 2015, 02:19:49 PMThey will play at Toledo (142 RPI), Washington (59 RPI), Michigan St (14 RPI), and Virginia (35 RPI). They are soon to be at full strength (maybe this weekend?) with Martez Walker and getting a split or better from these 4 should be their goal.
Getting two of those would be a coup, for sure.
OK... I was out of town the last 4 days... here's the abysmal update...
Thursday 12/10... first the good news....
Missouri State (3-5) 88 IUPUI 74
Friday 12/11
only 6 D-1 games in the country... ought to give VU-Chicago State a good pick on the officials ! Here's the AP recap:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151211_VALPO@CHIST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151211_VALPO@CHIST)
Saturday 12/12... pretty much an "OUCH" all day... 3-6 on the day...but only IPFW won in the "teams already played"
Ohio 76 Cleveland State (2-7) 67
Detroit (5-3) 95 Bowling Green 80 (falcons now 7-3)
Pepperdine 72 Ball State (7-3) 63
IPFW (8-4) 85 Austin Peay 68
Purdue 94 Youngstown State (4-6) 64
Illinois 83 UIC (1-6) 79
Boise State 74 Oregon (7-2) 72
Oakland (6-3) 76 Toledo 64
Oregon State @ Kansas 82 Oregon State (6-2) 67... and the beavers were ahead by 14 !! Adam Amin on the call...
Sunday, 12/13... for the day...1 - 5 for the day, and that 1 was not D1)
Milwaukee (8-3) 125 Judson 74... here's the box score... 7 players in double figures
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_JUDSON@MILW (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_JUDSON@MILW)
Miami (OH) 72 Wright State (3-7) 67
Nebraska 70 Rhode Island (6-4) 67
Western Kentucky 75 Indiana State (3-6) 62
Tulsa 70 Missouri State (3-6) 62
AP Recap of that game: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST)
Box Score: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST)
Northwestern 77 Chicago State (3-8) 35
AP Recap: (Valpo mention) http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_CHIST@NWEST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_CHIST@NWEST)
'I'd like to apologize for the showing,'' Cougars coach Tracy Dildy said
Monday, 12/14:
Nuthing... nada...
Tuesday 12/15
Northern Kentucky @ Miichigan
Geneva College @ Youngstown State
Quachita Baptist @ Belmont
Pacific @ Green Bay
UC Irvine @ Oregon
Oregon State got the uninspired Kansas in the first half and the national champ Kansas in the second half. No one would have outplayed Kansas in that second half.
Adam Amin did a great job. You can tell that he has a great future in broadcasting top flight games.
As RPI starts to take a little more meaning by having enough games, it is encouraging that two other Horizon teams are sub-100. Detroit at 41 and Milwaukee at 84. However, half of the conference is 213 or worse - so there will be lots of 'harmful' games.
https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/676748125881704448
(I don't know how to embed twitter links)
Interesting tweet concerning playing on the road. I am starting to wonder why I even like a sport that is so incredibly unfair. All of the top programs say they want college basketball to more closely resemble the NBA game... Well, except for fairness in scheduling that is.
Tuesday 12/15 - I'll go out on a limb and predict our opponents go 3-2 in these games
Northern Kentucky @ Michigan
Geneva College @ Youngstown State
Quachita Baptist @ Belmont
Pacific (Winless #297) @ Green Bay
UC Irvine @ Oregon
Wednesday 12/16 - and I'll predict 2-4 on this night.
Illinois-Springfield @ Indiana State
Texas Southern @ Iona - Texas Southern RPI #334...1-8
Cleveland State @ Loyola (IL) - good match-up, LU is 4-4 giving 9 points at home
Chicago State @ Minnesota - Gofers phavored by 20
Oral Roberts @ Missouri State - Interesting, ORU is #17 in RPI...(Valpo is #19), RPI Predictor says MoSt by 1.
Illinois State @ UIC... uh, same RPI Predictor has UIC winning by 5...
and one more of note:
(Hardin Simmons @ Baylor... for Drew Family #999)
Quote from: SanityLost17 on December 15, 2015, 07:48:23 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/676748125881704448
(I don't know how to embed twitter links)
Interesting tweet concerning playing on the road. I am starting to wonder why I even like a sport that is so incredibly unfair. All of the top programs say they want college basketball to more closely resemble the NBA game... Well, except for fairness in scheduling that is.
A quick tally of all 14 big-10 teams shows a grand total of 23 true road games with 4 of those owned by Penn St. Valpo, Oakland, and Green Bay play 7 each for a total of 21. Being a dangerous mid-major doesn't get you many home games or willing opponents.
I pointed out in an earlier post that Notre Dame and Butler also play only one true road game. For those of you who believe that Butler should be the model for our upward climb I hope you don't want us once reaching the summit to then piss downhill toward the trailing field. ???
Tuesday 12/15 ... as predicted 3-2 for the opponents...(this was an easy one)
Michigan 77 Northern Kentucky (2-6) 62 (Saturday, home to Winless SEMO, then @ Toledo)
Youngstown State (5-6) 99 Geneva 58 (Saturday @ Michigan, Monday @ Notre Dame)
Belmont (7-4) 80 Quachita Baptist 54(Valpo is last OOC)
Green Bay 93 (5-4) Pacific 88 (GB@ Wisconsin 12/23 and @ Morehead State 12/28)
** Wisconsin's first game in the "Post-Bo-Ryan Era" is against the Phoenix**
Oregon (8-2) 78 UC Irvine 63 (Ducks have Long Beach State at home then @ Alabama)
Valpo has fallen to #20 in RealTime and Nolan with the Oregon game coming up.... and this morning, the Nolan RPI has us up to #19. way to go Ducks!
Wednesday 12/16 - and we wound up 4-2...and the Nolan RPI bumps us up to 16 with an SOS of 47...
Indiana State (4-6) 75 Illinois-Springfield 60
Iona (4-3) 83 Texas Southern 73
Cleveland State (3-7) 60 Loyola (IL) 54
Minnesota 70 Chicago State (3-9) 52
Illinois State 72 UIC (1-6) 60 (UIC has Loyola and NIU ... plus Purdue-Calumet before they play us on 1/2)
and....
Missouri State 85 (4-6) Oral Roberts 66
Missouri State opened on an 18-2 run and led 45-22 at the half
AP Recap: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST)
Box Score:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST)
THURSDAY 12/17 - could be some help to the SOS of our opponents here... let's hope!
Belmont @ Middle Tennessee
Charleston Southern @ Wright State
South Dakota @ Milwaukee
THURSDAY 12/17
Middle Tennessee 83 Belmont (7-5) 62 - all blue raiders from the start...
Wright State (4-7) 71 Charleston Southern 65
South Dakota 92 Milwaukee (8-4) 91 in 2 OT
FRIDAY 12/18 - predicting 2-0 on the day...
Long Beach State @ Oregon
Cal State Fullerton @ Oregon State
SATURDAY 12/19 - I'm thinking this looks like a 4-8 kinda day for the opposition
UCF @ Detroit
Belmont @ Cleveland State
Stetson @ IPFW
UIC @ Loyola
Oakland @ Washington
Western Illinois @ Chicago State
Youngstown State @ Michigan
Iona @ Rhode Island
Southeast Missouri State @ Northern Kentucky
Indiana State @ St Louis
Tulsa @ Oregon State
UWM beats Wisconsin on the road and causes Bo Ryan to retire at semester.
A few days later they lose at home to South Dakota.
Makes sense.
Quote from: justducky on December 15, 2015, 12:08:08 PMQuote from: SanityLost17 on December 15, 2015, 07:48:23 AMhttps://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/676748125881704448 (I don't know how to embed twitter links) Interesting tweet concerning playing on the road. I am starting to wonder why I even like a sport that is so incredibly unfair. All of the top programs say they want college basketball to more closely resemble the NBA game... Well, except for fairness in scheduling that is.
A quick tally of all 14 big-10 teams shows a grand total of 23 true road games with 4 of those owned by Penn St. Valpo, Oakland, and Green Bay play 7 each for a total of 21. Being a dangerous mid-major doesn't get you many home games or willing opponents. I pointed out in an earlier post that Notre Dame and Butler also play only one true road game. For those of you who believe that Butler should be the model for our upward climb I hope you don't want us once reaching the summit to then piss downhill toward the trailing field. ???
I truly hope Butler sees that that is an awful path they have led for mid-majors and that it will only lead to teams pointing at them when they start having more and more trouble competing.
"No, sir, you didn't want to play us before."
FRIDAY 12/18
Oregon (9-2) 94 Long Beach State 73 (Ducks put up 54 in the second half against RPI #84)
Oregon State (7-2) 82 Cal State Fullerton 69, tonight, they get Tulsa in the Far West Classic
Schedule:
Friday 5:30pm Weber State vs. University of Portland
Friday 8:00pm Cal State Fullerton vs. Oregon State University
Saturday 5:30pm Cal State Fullerton vs. University of Portland
Saturday 8:00pm Tulsa vs. Oregon State University
The spirit of a legendary 40-year holiday basketball tradition will return in 2015-16 when Oregon State University and the University of Portland team up to host the Far West Classic Invite at the Moda Center on Friday, December 18 and Saturday, December 19.
The two-day doubleheader will be played at the home of the NBA's Portland Trail Blazers and feature the West Coast Conference's Portland Pilots against Weber State from the Big Sky Conference – and alma mater of Trail Blazers' All-Star Damian Lillard – on Friday night, followed by Cal State Fullerton from the Big West Conference battling the Beavers from the Pac-12. Saturday will feature Cal State Fullerton facing Portland and the Beavers taking on Tulsa from the American Athletic Conference. Tip-offs are set for 5:30 and 8 p.m.
Oregon State returns to the Far West Classic Invite, a tournament they have won 20 times. This year's version of head coach Wayne Tinkle's Beavers features a veteran cast of playmakers with an exciting group of newcomers who have created an early-season national buzz for their play.
More about that Far West Classic... Reminds me of the Crusader Classic... sorta...
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http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/what_is_the_future_of_the_far.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/what_is_the_future_of_the_far.html)
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Gary Payton II only recently learned about the significance of the Far West Classic from his father.
The Oregon State senior guard and reigning Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year has been making his own legacy in Corvallis for the past two years, but is not above a history lesson from the elder Gary Payton, the national player of the year with the Beavers in 1990.
"It's going to be a great environment," Payton II said. "I think that's pretty big that they're bringing it back."
That sentiment filtered to former players, such as three-time all-Pac-10 forward Charlie Sitton. Sitton, who played with the Beavers during some of their best seasons, from 1981-84, will be among dozens of Oregon State basketball alums watching at the Moda Center over the weekend.
Friday will mark the end of the 19-year absence of the Far West Classic, the Portland holiday tournament that was once among college basketball's premier events. Building the Classic up will be a step-by-step process, but one that Sitton said has helped add to the buzz around his old team.
"Who knows where it could be in five or 10 years from now?" he said of the event.
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Founded in 1956 as the brainchild of legendary Oregon State coach Slats Gill, the Far West Classic moved from Corvallis to Portland three years later and found an annual home between Christmas and New Year's Eve at Veterans Memorial Coliseum.
In its heyday, the Classic was an eight-team tournament that hosted elite college teams and future NBA All-Stars like Michigan State's Magic Johnson and Gonzaga's John Stockton.
But it suffered from dwindling attendance and inability to attract top-flight opponents by the end of the 1980s. Fred Meyer ended its sponsorship in 1989, leading to the cancellation of the 1990 Classic. The event rebooted in 1991, shrinking from eight teams to four, and lasted six more years before folding in April 1997.
The Classic appeared done for good until Wayne Tinkle took over as Beavers head coach in 2014. Tinkle, 49, remembered watching the holiday tournament while growing up in Spokane and joined deputy athletic director Mark Massari in meetings with Portland Trail Blazers executives to restart the event at the Moda Center.
"We wanted to bring back the spirit of the Far West," Massari said.
Wayne Tinkle Gary Payton.JPG
Oregon State head coach Wayne Tinkle (right) and senior guard Gary Payton II will be two of the headline names at the first Far West Classic in 19 years.
The name is back, but the 2015 reboot will look different than prior versions. Oregon State, Tulsa, Cal State Fullerton, Weber State and Portland (a co-host with OSU) will make up the five-team field playing four games in two nights, a format closer to a round-robin than a championship tournament.
Instead of an immediate push to return the Classic to its elite national status, Oregon State is hoping for a longer-term building approach.
One of the continuing challenges will be competing against the variety of options that other teams already have for holiday tournaments.
In the later years of the Far West Classic, tournaments like the Great Alaska Shootout and Maui Invitational added to the selection pool. Since the Classic dissolved in 1997, events such as the Puerto Rico Tip-Off, Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas) and the Diamond Head Classic (Honolulu) – among others – have sprung up. That has only added to the array of destinations for elite teams, whose presence in Portland would likely increase tournament interest.
Given those circumstances, Tinkle said it would be difficult for the event to ever reach the stature it once held nationally.
"I would never say never, but with the amount of television exposure and money in some of these other tournaments, they're much more attractive to those top teams," he said.
Getting a premier team to play in the tournament was more challenging in its first year back, leading to some scheduling concessions by Oregon State.
Tulsa, which has garnered more national attention in recent years with the successive coaching hires of Danny Manning (now at Wake Forest) and Frank Haith, agreed but could commit to only one game. The result was a five-team event split over two days, with the Golden Hurricane and Weber State each playing a single game.
Schedule for the 2015 Far West Classic
Friday 5:30pm Weber State vs. University of Portland
Friday 8:00pm Cal State Fullerton vs. Oregon State
Saturday 5:30pm Cal State Fullerton vs. University of Portland
Saturday 8:00pm Tulsa vs. Oregon State
This means Oregon State will play Tulsa on Saturday on the second night of back-to-back games, while its opponent will be coming off five days' rest. In exchange for the trip to the Pacific Northwest, the Beavers will also return a game at Tulsa next season.
This was a major sticking point in the final years of the original Far West Classic.
By 1996, the Classic's final year, Oregon coach Jerry Green and Oregon State coach Eddie Payne both refused to exchange a road game with teams coming to Portland for the tournament. Neither had interest in playing a more challenging team on the road while also giving up multiple home dates for "neutral site" games at the Far West Classic.
But Tinkle said he sees benefit in hosting the event that outweighs not hosting additional games at Gill Coliseum.
Among the losses that came with the Far West Classic was Oregon State's annual connection to Portland. Oregon State has 49,034 alums in the Portland area, according to the university, more than one quarter of the school's alumni population.
Friday will mark the first time the Beavers will play in the Moda Center (formerly the Rose Garden) in 10 years, a new chance to connect with the team's fan base and promote the program.
"The timing, I think, is right," Tinkle said. "When your students are gone (on break), why not go somewhere and play in an event like this?"
Far West Classic
Oregon State played in all 40 Far West Classics, winning the first 10 and 20 overall. The Classic moved to the Moda Center, then the Rose Garden, for its final two seasons.
Ultimately, the future of the Classic will depend on its reception this weekend.
Tickets will be sold only in the Moda Center's lower bowl, meaning that the event's nightly capacity will be 10,600 instead of 19,980. Attendance is projected to be around 6,000 on Friday and 9,000 on Saturday, according to Massari, depending on walkups.
As of Thursday, individual tickets were on sale for between $15 and $40 per doubleheader.
At this stage, a traditional tournament option does not appear likely, but Tinkle expressed openness to changing the event format and dates in the future. Without regard to a specific format, the Trail Blazers gave their commitment to continuing the Far West Classic beyond 2015.
"If it was just going to be a one-off event ... we wouldn't have done it," said Vincent Ircandia, senior vice president of business operations for the Trail Blazers and Rose Quarter. "We understand that this takes time to build."
Tinkle said he has put out feelers to other teams for next year in attempt to get a top-level opponent. Work is in place to secure a title sponsor.
But regardless of the format, sponsorship or opponents, Tinkle said he was invested for the future of the Far West Classic.
"It's going to be a challenge," Tinkle said. "But we'll scrap and fight and try to get it going because we feel that it's worth honoring. It's worth trying to get up and going again."
-- Danny Moran, on the Oregon State Beaver blog
55-35 halftime Oakland lead at Washington. Felder is dominating.
Quote from: justducky on December 19, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
55-35 halftime Oakland lead at Washington. Felder is dominating.
Oakland up 79-63 with 7:30 left. Watching on Pac 12 Network. Oakland looks very impressive. Hopefully, a win for the HL.
SATURDAY 12/19 - so in the 5 afternoon games, 4-2
Detroit (6-3) 95 UCF 89... UCF RPI is 204
Cleveland State (4-7) 67 Belmont (7-6) 65
IPFW 95 (9-4) Stetson 89... Stetson's RPI is 246...
Loyola 64 UIC (1-8) 47
Oakland (7-3) 97 Washington 83... Huskie RPI is 70
Chicago State (4-7) 77 Western Illinois 70... Leatherneck RPI 107
Michigan 105 Youngstown State (5-7) 46
Northern Kentucky (3-6) 79 Southeast Missouri State 69... who stays winless, SEMO plays Missouri State on Tuesday.
Rhode Island (7-4) 79 Iona (4-4) 74
Indiana State @ St Louis
Tulsa @ Oregon State
Felder has a career best 38 with 9 assists and the transfer Walker has a terrific debut scoring 18 as Oakland beats Washington on the road 97-83.
BTW... Ball State's has three games remaining in their OOC:
Tuesday 12/23, Indiana State (212)
Tuesday 12/29, Alabama A&M (221)
Thursday 12/31, Chicago State (303)
so... for those with the RPI memorized... Is it better for Ball State to win all three? Or do their games with Indiana State and Chicago State really not matter to us, it's a push either way?
Quote from: talksalot on December 19, 2015, 06:30:21 PM
BTW... Ball State's has three games remaining in their OOC:
Tuesday 12/23, Indiana State (212)
Tuesday 12/29, Alabama A&M (221)
Thursday 12/31, Chicago State (303)
so... for those with the RPI memorized... Is it better for Ball State to win all three? Or do their games with Indiana State and Chicago State really not matter to us, it's a push either way?
It doesn't matter as far as RPI is concerned, but as far as perception, it may be better that the Ball State loss look less like a bad one. Indiana State and, especially, Chicago State aren't going to look like great wins, no matter what. I suspect that most experts who might be evaluating the loss for ranking purposes are going to factor in the absence of Tevonn in making sense of the game.
Recap of the CSU-Belmont game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST)
and here's the box:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST)
and here's what the Belmont side of the story looks like... Headline: 'Heartbreak'
http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp (http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp)
Just confirms that the rest of the season will not be anything near a cake walk.
So Indiana State just beat St. Louis 76-68. Crews has to be on life support. Obviously, at this time St. Louis isn't going to get a bid to the Big East. The Indiana State win may be more valuable then originally thought.
Quote from: talksalot on December 19, 2015, 07:43:40 PM
Recap of the CSU-Belmont game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST)
and here's the box:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST)
and here's what the Belmont side of the story looks like... Headline: 'Heartbreak'
http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp (http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp)
So Belmont was 0-2 against Wright State last year, and 0-3 against the Horizon this year.
Why would they join the Horizon, when the odds are greater they can compete in the OVC with the auto bid every year?
Quote from: motowntitan on December 19, 2015, 09:27:11 PMQuote from: talksalot on December 19, 2015, 07:43:40 PMRecap of the CSU-Belmont game: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST) and here's the box: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST) and here's what the Belmont side of the story looks like... Headline: 'Heartbreak' http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp (http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp)
So Belmont was 0-2 against Wright State last year, and 0-3 against the Horizon this year. Why would they join the Horizon, when the odds are greater they can compete in the OVC with the auto bid every year?
get out of a football conference.
SATURDAY 12/19 - So, a pretty good day..., teams we've played go 4-2, overall our opponents go 9-4 with two pushes (CSU/Belmont and Rhody/Iona)... nice wins for Cleveland State, Oakland... and let the comments continue about Youngstown State's prowess.
Detroit (6-3) 95 UCF 89... UCF RPI is 204
Cleveland State (4-7) 67 Belmont (7-6) 65... CSU RPI 185, Belmont RPI 77,
IPFW 95 (9-4) Stetson 89... Stetson's RPI is 246...
Loyola 64 UIC (1-8) 47
Oakland (7-3) 97 Washington 83... Huskie RPI is 70
Chicago State (4-7) 77 Western Illinois 70... Leatherneck RPI 107
Michigan 105 Youngstown State (5-7) 46
Northern Kentucky (3-6) 79 Southeast Missouri State 69... who stays winless, SEMO plays Missouri State on Tuesday.
Rhode Island (7-4) 79 Iona (4-4) 74
Indiana State (5-6) 76 St Louis 68... RPIs: Sycamores 212, St Louis 226
Oregon State (8-2) 76 Tulsa 71... Tulsa RPI 45
Quote from: talksalot on December 19, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
SATURDAY 12/19 - so in the 5 afternoon games, 4-2
Detroit (6-3) 95 UCF 89... UCF RPI is 204
Cleveland State (4-7) 67 Belmont (7-6) 65
IPFW 95 (9-4) Stetson 89... Stetson's RPI is 246...
Loyola 64 UIC (1-8) 47
Oakland (7-3) 97 Washington 83... Huskie RPI is 70
Chicago State (4-7) 77 Western Illinois 70... Leatherneck RPI 107
Michigan 105 Youngstown State (5-7) 46
Northern Kentucky (3-6) 79 Southeast Missouri State 69... who stays winless, SEMO plays Missouri State on Tuesday.
Rhode Island (7-4) 79 Iona (4-4) 74
Indiana State @ St Louis
Tulsa @ Oregon State
With Indiana State and Oregon State winning it has to be as good a night for our rpi as possible. Detroit and Oakland beat Big 5 teams, even Chicago State wins. Great night.
WarrenNolan RPI stayed at 16
Sagarin was #43 going into yesterday, this morning up to #40
RealTime was at 13 going into the games yesterday
A little help and no disasters...
There were only 1562 fans at Loyola's Gentile Center for the UIC cross-town rivalry game yesterday. That's pretty sad.
Quote from: talksalot on December 20, 2015, 07:31:04 AMand let the comments continue about Youngstown State's prowess.
Yeah, Michigan scored more points in _each_ half than YSU managed all game. *sigh*
But, hey, at least they have a D1 win! Here's looking at you, UIC...
Quote from: talksalot on December 20, 2015, 07:59:54 AM
WarrenNolan RPI stayed at 16
Sagarin was #43 going into yesterday, this morning up to #40
RealTime was at 13 going into the games yesterday
A little help and no disasters...
KenPom bumped up to 28. And defensive rating to #4, now #3 actually. Late games created a little space in the ranks, it seem #2-#4 were pretty packed together. Now Oklahoma's a clear half a point better than us, and Purdue a half point better than them. Paul's proposed VU-Purdue Crossroads matchup would have been sweet.
The only top-20 defensive teams not in the top 30 overall? San Diego State and Rhode Island.
Cleveland State beating Belmont hurts our RPI in the short term but helps us in the long run.
Chicago state beats WIU, who beat Wisconsin in Madison earlier this year. Parity in basketball.
How does CSU beating Belmont help our RPI in the long run? Since we play both teams home and away does it matter who won the game?
Sunday 12/20 - Horizon League Thumping today!
Green Bay (6-4) 108 Wisconsin-Superior 57
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151220_UWS@WISGB (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151220_UWS@WISGB)
Wright State (5-7) 83 Bowling Green 47
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151220_BGREEN@WRIGHT (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151220_BGREEN@WRIGHT)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151220_BGREEN@WRIGHT (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151220_BGREEN@WRIGHT)
looking toward Monday 12/21:
Chicago State @ Marquette
Youngstown State @ Notre Dame
Oregon @ Alabama
Quinnipiac @ Oregon State
Tuesday 12/22:
Santa Barbara @ Iona
Ball State @ Indiana State
IPFW @ Western Michigan
Murray State @ Wright State
Michigan State @ Oakland
Rhode Island @ Old Dominion
Detroit @ Western Kentucky
Purdue-Calumet @ UIC
Southeast Missouri @ Missouri State
Wednesday 12/23
Bowling Green @ Cleveland State
Iona @ Akron
IU-Kokomo @ Northern Kentucky
Milwaukee @ Minnesota
Green Bay @ Wisconsin
Why is the HL 15th in conf. RPI and the Summit 10th? Look no farther than the bottom of the league for the answer, where the HL has 3 teams - YSU, NKU and UIC - with worse RPI's than the lowest Summit team. How big of a difference does that make? Simply taking UIC at 348 out of the equation would raise the HL from 15th to 12th.
NKU is an investment for the future, so they get a pass (for now). As for UIC and YSU, they don't deserve anything but a kick out the door. They are inexcusably lazy programs that NEVER contribute anything positive toward the standing and reputation of the Horizon League. The HL will never have a chance of becoming a multi-bid conference until these lazy, unemployed losers continue to live free in our basement. Nothing I hate worse than people who don't try. Nothing I hate worse than programs that don't try.
Quote from: valpocleveland on December 20, 2015, 05:44:36 PM
How does CSU beating Belmont help our RPI in the long run? Since we play both teams home and away does it matter who won the game?
Theoretically, CSU has better opponents opponents W/L record due to the HL being better than the OVC? Probably pretty negligible.
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 07:33:16 PMWhy is the HL 15th in conf. RPI and the Summit 10th? Look no farther than the bottom of the league for the answer, where the HL has 3 teams - YSU, NKU and UIC - with worse RPI's than the lowest Summit team. How big of a difference does that make? Simply taking UIC at 348 out of the equation would raise the HL from 15th to 12th. NKU is an investment for the future, so they get a pass (for now). As for UIC and YSU, they don't deserve anything but a kick out the door. They are inexcusably lazy programs that NEVER contribute anything positive toward the standing and reputation of the Horizon League. The HL will never have a chance of becoming a multi-bid conference until these lazy, unemployed losers continue to live free in our basement. Nothing I hate worse than people who don't try. Nothing I hate worse than programs that don't try.
To think the MVC was seriously considering UIC when they chose Loyola.
Quote from: valpocleveland on December 20, 2015, 05:44:36 PM
How does CSU beating Belmont help our RPI in the long run? Since we play both teams home and away does it matter who won the game?
All of the Horizon League members will play CSU, and we'll play each of them twice, so CSU's opponents' W-L record is reflected back at us sixteen times in the "third portion" of the RPI. So, better for them to get the win, I think, in strict RPI terms.
There's a chance that if the win would have kept Belmont over some threshold "top 100", "top 50", that sort of thing, then it would look better on the team sheet than if CSU got the win. In the spirit that Belmont has a better shot (still 15% or so by RPI Forecast?) of finishing with a top 50 RPI. Oakland might have the best chance of anyone (else) in the Horizon League, at 7% or so.
80% or so chance for us to finish top 50, according to RPI Forecast. SD State's going to trounce us though. They've got something like a 95% chance of finishing top 50. Overall their expected RPI is 30 to our 41.
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 07:33:16 PMThe HL will never have a chance of becoming a multi-bid conference until these lazy, unemployed losers continue to live free in our basement. Nothing I hate worse than people who don't try. Nothing I hate worse than programs that don't try.
wow... is that quote similar to what the Cleveland State folks said about another school in the late 1980s when they bolted from the Mid-Con... that other school was VALPO ! 4-22 4-22 ...will do that to you... everything ebbs and flows...
Quote from: talksalot on December 20, 2015, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 07:33:16 PMThe HL will never have a chance of becoming a multi-bid conference until these lazy, unemployed losers continue to live free in our basement. Nothing I hate worse than people who don't try. Nothing I hate worse than programs that don't try.
wow... is that quote similar to what the Cleveland State folks said about another school in the late 1980s when they bolted from the Mid-Con... that other school was VALPO ! 4-22 4-22 ...will do that to you... everything ebbs and flows...
Apples and oranges. Valpo at that time was like a beginning craftsman struggling to learn a new trade. Today's YSU and UIC are lazy, veteran employees who retired on the job 10 years ago.
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 20, 2015, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 07:33:16 PMThe HL will never have a chance of becoming a multi-bid conference until these lazy, unemployed losers continue to live free in our basement. Nothing I hate worse than people who don't try. Nothing I hate worse than programs that don't try.
wow... is that quote similar to what the Cleveland State folks said about another school in the late 1980s when they bolted from the Mid-Con... that other school was VALPO ! 4-22 4-22 ...will do that to you... everything ebbs and flows...
Apples and oranges. Valpo at that time was like a beginning craftsman struggling to learn a new trade. Today's YSU and UIC are lazy, veteran employees who retired on the job 10 years ago.
At least UIC finally got rid of Moore. YSU keeping Slocum is infuriating.
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 20, 2015, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: wh on December 20, 2015, 07:33:16 PMThe HL will never have a chance of becoming a multi-bid conference until these lazy, unemployed losers continue to live free in our basement. Nothing I hate worse than people who don't try. Nothing I hate worse than programs that don't try.
wow... is that quote similar to what the Cleveland State folks said about another school in the late 1980s when they bolted from the Mid-Con... that other school was VALPO ! 4-22 4-22 ...will do that to you... everything ebbs and flows...
Apples and oranges. Valpo at that time was like a beginning craftsman struggling to learn a new trade. Today's YSU and UIC are lazy, veteran employees who retired on the job 10 years ago.
Did Valpo decision makers stumble across Homer Drew or did we see into the future and the dynasty his family would bring? Are Valpo (without the Drew family) and YSU that different? When you look at our football and women's BB programs I don't think we are that far apart as far as commitment to winning.
We certainly are different. If Valpo football and YSU basket ball were the same, Dale Carlson would still have been our coach. Valpo Football and Womens bbal are struggling all right but it is not for the lack of effort. YSU basket ball is just.. YUCK!
Quote from: ValpoFan on December 21, 2015, 04:54:08 PM
We certainly are different. If Valpo football and YSU basket ball were the same, Dale Carlson would still have been our coach. Valpo Football and Womens bbal are struggling all right but it is not for the lack of effort. YSU basket ball is just.. YUCK!
Changing coaches does not make a commitment to winning. The budget allowed for hiring a new coach is what shows a commitment to winning.
Watching the VU Women dominate IUK tonight... 88-22... Final
Monday 12/21: 2-2 on the night
Marquette 91 Chicago State (4-10) 74
Notre Dame 87 Youngstown State (5-8) 78
Oregon (10-2) 72 Alabama 68 (Nice come back !)
Oregon State (9-2) 82 Quinnipiac 61
Nolan RPI at 18 after these results; Oregon State RPI 28... Oregon is 26 ! They play each other on 1/3 in Corvallis.
Nice comeback win by Oregon last night beating Alabama in Birmingham. Alabama has some quality wins versus Wichita St. and Notre Dame and had won 5 in a row coming in to this game at a technically neutral site... but whom are they kidding, playing Alabama in Birmingham is hardly neutral.
Quote from: FWalum on December 22, 2015, 07:37:07 AMNice comeback win by Oregon last night beating Alabama in Birmingham. Alabama has some quality wins versus Wichita St. and Notre Dame and had won 5 in a row coming in to this game at a technically neutral site... but whom are they kidding, playing Alabama in Birmingham is hardly neutral.
.....but whom are they kidding, playing Oakland in Detroit during HL tourney is hardly neutral.
Oakland up on Mich St 53-39
We better be loaded for bear on Jan 8
Paul
Oakland down 72-68 with 5:57 left. Would love to see them pull this out.
Overtime for Oakland vs. Michigan State...
So many free throws
Okay, after watching the Oakland-Michigan State game, I'd like to hear a defense again from anyone who thought the Horizon League's tournament format change that takes away the benefit from winning the conference regular season and permanently gives Oakland (and Detroit) automatic home court advantage was a good idea. ???
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
So many free throws
I think we shoot wayyyyy too many 3's, giving up a lot of points at the line. Kampe is a step ahead of Drew at adjusting to the new rules that allow guards to drive to the basket.
Our FTA/FGA ratio currently ranks 165th in the nation (numbers from Ken Pomeroy website). Oakland ranks 156th.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on December 22, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
So many free throws
I think we shoot wayyyyy too many 3's, giving up a lot of points at the line. Kampe is a step ahead of Drew at adjusting to the new rules that allow guards to drive to the basket.
Oakland shoots more 3s per game than Valpo.
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on December 22, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
So many free throws
I think we shoot wayyyyy too many 3's, giving up a lot of points at the line. Kampe is a step ahead of Drew at adjusting to the new rules that allow guards to drive to the basket.
Oakland shoots more 3s per game than Valpo.
I stand corrected. Of course, that might be because teams start bringing help defense and Kay gets most of his assists off of dishes out to the 3 point line after he drives to the basket and pulls an off defender. Or it could be their pace of play causes them to shoot more shots in general. Not sure, and I could be wrong. My gut feeling still tells me that we shoot too many for a decent but not great 3 point shooting team.
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
So many free throws
Ya think?
Oakland - 2 with 5 fouls, and 4 with 4.
Michigan State - 1 with 5 and 4 with 4.
:crazy:
90 total free throws.
Michigan State: 29-42 (.690)
Oakland: 39-48 (.813)
Once conference play stars, the refs will stop calling so many fouls like last time.
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 10:31:14 PM
90 total free throws.
Michigan State: 29-42 (.690)
Oakland: 39-48 (.813)
Once conference play stars, the refs will stop calling so many fouls like last time.
Despite their loss they made it clear: you don't want to foul Oakland.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 23, 2015, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 10:31:14 PM
90 total free throws.
Michigan State: 29-42 (.690)
Oakland: 39-48 (.813)
Once conference play stars, the refs will stop calling so many fouls like last time.
Despite their loss they made it clear: you don't want to foul Oakland.
Yeah, not too often you make 39 free throws in a game.
But Horizon League games have historically shown to more resemble hockey than basketball. Bryce really built the team well to handle the slogfests, especially against Green Bay, Milwaukee, CSU, and Wright State. With Green Bay switching styles and Oakland entering the league, it'll be interesting to see how a bigger lineup handles these teams. I think a good, physical defense can shut down pretty much any style.
I'm glad that, so far, our team FT% has improved over last year (67.5% to 72%). Doesn't sound like much but it could be a difference maker over the long haul. Especially when OU is hitting at 81% against the likes of MSU.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 23, 2015, 09:29:57 AM
I'm glad that, so far, our team FT% has improved over last year (67.5% to 72%). Doesn't sound like much but it could be a difference maker over the long haul. Especially when OU is hitting at 81% against the likes of MSU.
Over time, players tend to get better at free throws. Having so many returning players, it was expected that our FT% would improve. Check out these progressions:
Alec Peters
2013 .773
2014 .829
2015 .870
Darien Walker
2013 .639
2014 .800
Jubril Adekoya
2013 .616
2014 .559
2015 .778
E. Victor Nickerson
2011 .547
2012 .675
2014 .707
2015 .743
The bad news is that Keith Carter seemed to have forgotten how to shoot free throws:
2013 .667
2014 .677
2015 .520
Oof!
Need to get on Vashil though...
2013 - .477
2014 - .511
2015 - .421
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 23, 2015, 11:01:31 AM
Need to get on Vashil though...
2013 - .477
2014 - .511
2015 - .421
How are his stats in general compared to last year? I find myself very frustrated with his play lately. I am probably being overly critical in my head, I just really thought he would have a more consistent offensive game this year. Seems like he has regressed a bit as far as catching the ball and going up strong, or catching the lob pass for that matter.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on December 23, 2015, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 23, 2015, 11:01:31 AM
Need to get on Vashil though...
2013 - .477
2014 - .511
2015 - .421
How are his stats in general compared to last year? I find myself very frustrated with his play lately. I am probably being overly critical in my head, I just really thought he would have a more consistent offensive game this year. Seems like he has regressed a bit as far as catching the ball and going up strong, or catching the lob pass for that matter.
He's never been that great of an offensive player - he's scoring just 5.3 PPG vs 6.9 PPG last year. He's not shooting as well this year: 49.0% vs 56.4% last year. Also has 1.2 turnovers per game opposed to .9 last year. His offensive rating has dipped from 114.0 (2nd on team last year to only Peters) to 96.1 (9th on team). That's a pretty big drop off, but there's still enough season left to turn it around.
Defensively, he's as strong as ever. He has a 78.9 defensive rating, which is insane, and 4th in the entire country. Put it in perspective - he won defensive player of the year with a 88.5 rating, which was the best in the Horizon. The numbers are a bit skewed because Valpo plays great defense as a whole, but the next highest defensive rating is Shane Hammink at 82.7 (among non-bench warmers). In fact, every player has a defensive rating below 86.6 (Nick Davidson bringing up the rear). Vashil's blocks per game are a bit down (2.3 this year vs 2.9 last year), but his steals are up (.7 this year vs .4 last year) - steals and blocks are sometimes interchangeable, and blocks aren't all that telling due to shot alterations without touching the ball, players avoiding low post shots, etc.
I think he's been in a bit of a funk the past few weeks - he was the offensive focal point vs URI when he scored 12 points (shooting a career high 12 shots), but he really hasn't been involved much since then.
Wednesday 12/23... Thanks Gaels... Valpo RPI falls to 24, SOS now at 84... that was about 7pm, now at 9:30, RPI is back up to 21
Bowling Green 62 Cleveland State (4-7) 47 as the falcons pulled away in the second half...
they beat Belmont by 2.... then lose this one to #230 BGSU... weird season
Akron 78 Iona (4-6) 64 at the South Point Classic in Las Vegas; Zips RPI 101, record in D1 9-2
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151223_IONA@AKRON (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151223_IONA@AKRON)
Northern Kentucky (4-6) 88 IU-Kokomo 44
Milwaukee (9-4) 74 Minnesota 65 (Johnson 19 pts, 10 assists, 9 rebounds for the Panthers) Gophers RPI is now 215,Milwaukee is 114
Green Bay @ Wisconsin (Phoenix down 24 at the first media break of the second half... Bo who?)
Didn't Felder get alot of free throws against us last year as they called every tick tack touch against him?
UWM with another win over Big-10 Minnesota 74- 65. Watched parts of the start and much of the end and they are the better team.
Quote from: valpo64 on December 23, 2015, 07:27:39 PM
Didn't Felder get alot of free throws against us last year as they called every tick tack touch against him?
Yes, but there is a difference between Oakland's happy pics and Valpo's happy pics
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Back in the swing... No games for our opponents:
12/24
12/25
12/26
12/27
Monday 12/28
Green Bay @ Morehead State
Detroit @ Eastern Michigan
Chicago State @ Oakland
Drexel @ Iona
Tuesday 12/29
Alabama A&M @ Ball State
Cedarville @ Cleveland State
Northern Illinois @ UIC
Western Oregon @ Oregon
Wednesday 12/30
Oakland @ Virginia
Rhode Island @ Brown
Oral Roberts @ IPFW
Northern Kentucky @ Toledo
Indiana State @ Evansville
Missouri State @ Illinois State
Thursday 12/31
Belmont @ Southeast Missouri
Chicago State @ Ball State
Friday 1/1... no games
Monday 12/28
Green Bay @ Morehead State
Detroit @ Eastern Michigan - ESPN3 6pm Central
Chicago State @ Oakland- ESPN3 6pm Central
Drexel @ Iona
Chicago State had a lead in the second half @ Oakland, but Oakland now back up by a couple.
Quote from: a3uge on December 28, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
Chicago State had a lead in the second half @ Oakland, but Oakland now back up by a couple.
Felder with 10 assists in the first half.
Monday 12/28 Finals ... and after these are in... but before the VU game goes final... Valpo NolanRPI goes to 19
Green Bay (7-5) 78 Morehead State 72
Eastern Michigan 88 Detroit (6-5) 73
Oakland (8-4) 101 Chicago State (4-11) 93
Iona (5-6) 77 Drexel 70
Quote from: talksalot on December 28, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
Monday 12/28 Finals ... and after these are in... but before the VU game goes final... Valpo NolanRPI goes to 19
Green Bay (7-5) 78 Morehead State 72
Eastern Michigan 88 Detroit (6-5) 73
Oakland (8-4) 101 Chicago State (4-11) 93
Iona (5-6) 77 Drexel 70
Remember when that voter picked Detroit to win the league?
Tuesday 12/29 - Valpo RPI up to #28, SOS up to #82 with these results posted... Wait a sec... RPI has risen to #27 in the past 3 minutes...
so, 3-1 on the night... would have been a safe bet
Ball State (8-4) 63 Alabama A&M 62...BSU RPI 259, AA&M is 223...
Cleveland State (8-4) 77 Cedarville 37
Northern Illinois 70 UIC (2-9) 65 * Huskies RPI is 129...should not have been this close!
Oregon (11-2) 88 Western Oregon 60
NIU/UIC GameTracker game stats:
http://www.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbaskbl.html?event=1446669&school=cbs&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=& (http://www.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbaskbl.html?event=1446669&school=cbs&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&)
* Odiase, Matthews and Whitaker all fouled out...55 total fouls called in the game.
Wednesday 12/30 - Watch 'em all!
if our opponents do any better than 2-4 on the night, it'll be a good day!
Oakland @ Virginia - ESPNU at 5pm Central
Rhode Island @ Brown - ESPN3 - 6pm Central
Oral Roberts @ IPFW - FW Local Feed: http://www.gomastodons.com/watch/?Live=395 (http://www.gomastodons.com/watch/?Live=395)
Northern Kentucky @ Toledo - ESPN3 - 6pm Central
Indiana State @ Evansville - ESPN3 @ 7pm Central
Missouri State @ Illinois State - ESPN3 @ 7pm Central
Only a 1 point Oakland half time lead. I think I am disappointed!
Oakland is a 1 man show. Stop Felder and the game is yours. Easier said than done, maybe I should say delay Felder.
Can we post him up with our larger guards and get him in foul trouble? Attack him and force him to defend. On the other side, If he beats our guards off the dribble we have a rim protector in Vashil as a "cover"defender. However, that would probably result in Felder shooting 20 free throws.
Felder has taken 14 of the 22 Oakland shots. He has 17 of the 29 points with 3 assists on the 12 points he didn't score himself. If a team can shut him down, they win.
So is Felder better than Sykes? Both are lightning quick but undersized. Sykes had real problems against our length. Should be very interesting to see how Felder does against E and Shane.
Yes, and it's not even close.
Felder has been appearing in a couple mock drafts (in the 2nd round). He might be gone next year. I think he's better than Sykes, but Sykes never got to shoot 300 shots a game.
Quote from: a3uge on December 30, 2015, 06:59:45 PMFelder has been appearing in a couple mock drafts (in the 2nd round). He might be gone next year.
Both Dorsey-Walker and Martez Walker played high school basketball with Felder. Now that they have transferred and all reunited at Oakland it seems unlikely that Felder wouldn't stay the course. I think that everybody or everybody but Hooper is returning in 16-17. That would also make walking away difficult.
If that complete bunch does return I would look for the senior Alec Peter's led team to play pre-season second fiddle to Oakland. :o :'(
Wednesday 12/30 - Valpo RPI 27, SOS 83 after the IPFW game went final; up to #26 after the Rhode Island game went final... and now that they are done... RPI is back up to 28... with the SOS at 83 still.
Virginia 71 Oakland (8-5) 58 after the final is posted, OAK's RPI is 93, SOS 165
Rhode Island (7-5) 88 Brown 83 - Overtime... Rhodey's RPI jumped from 124 to 107 after the win
IPFW (11-4) 90 Oral Roberts 84
Toledo 90 Northern Kentucky (4-7 ) 73
Evansville 70 Indiana State (6-7) 62- Sycamores up 8 at the half
Illinois State 74 Missouri State (4-9) 61 - Redbirds up 14 with 10:00 to play
Yup... 2-4 on the day...
Quote from: justducky on December 30, 2015, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 30, 2015, 06:59:45 PMFelder has been appearing in a couple mock drafts (in the 2nd round). He might be gone next year.
Both Dorsey-Walker and Martez Walker played high school basketball with Felder. Now that they have transferred and all reunited at Oakland it seems unlikely that Felder wouldn't stay the course. I think that everybody or everybody but Hooper is returning in 16-17. That would also make walking away difficult.
If that complete bunch does return I would look for the senior Alec Peter's led team to play pre-season second fiddle to Oakland. :o :'(
We have won the league 3 of the last 4 years. It will be 4 of the past 5 after this year and 5 of the past 6 after next year.
Next year's team will be a powerhouse, led by 4 of the top 10 players in the HL - Alec, Tevonn, Shane, and Derrik. No one, including Oakland, will matchup with them. At the end of the day Felder (like Sykes before him) will have 4 years of unending praise and nothing to show for it.
Teams that excel at both ends of the court win championships in the HL. That defines Valpo, not Oakland. Valpo is king. Long live the king.
Can we just get through this year first?
Thursday 12/31
Belmont @ Southeast Missouri
Chicago State @ Ball State
Friday 1/1... no games
Saturday 1/2... the fun begins!
Northern Kentucky @ Green Bay
Youngstown State @ Detroit
Cleveland State @ Oakland
Wright State @ Milwaukee
Iona @ Quinnipiac
Loyola @ Indiana State
Evansville @ Missouri State
St Louis @ Rhode Island
Purdue North Central @ IPFW
... Oregon @ Oregon State is on Sunday...
Thursday 12/31
Belmont (9-6) 92 Southeast Missouri 82 (Our RPI stayed at 28 after this was posted)
Ball State (9-4) 73 Chicago State (4-12) 48 (and it stayed at 28 after this one, too!)
Cardinals improve to 7-1 at home this year, only loss is to #160 Pepperdine.... That's the best RPI-rated them they've played all year... other than us.
Saturday 1/2... the fun begins!... OOC opponents 4-1 on the day...
Green Bay (8-5) 86 Northern Kentucky (4-8) 70
Detroit (7-5) 96 Youngstown State (5-9) 87
Oakland (9-5) 86 Cleveland State (5-9) 68 (Felder 20pts, 10 assists)
Wright State (7-7) 84 Milwaukee (9-5) 82
Iona (6-6) 78 Quinnipiac 66
Indiana State (7-7) 73 Loyola 58
Evansville 76 Missouri State (4-10) 59... outscored 49-29 in the second half
Rhode Island (9-5) 85 St. Louis 57
IPFW (12-4) 126 Purdue North Central 95
Wright State has given Milwaukee a 16-0 run... 66-65 Wright with 5:00 to play... Tied at 75, going to overtime~! it wound up a 20-2 run...Tiby 21 of 23 Points in the second half.
IPFW was 52 of 72 (72.2%) from the field. (74% from 2pt range)
Detroit - YST Box Score:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160102_YOUNG@DTROIT (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160102_YOUNG@DTROIT)
Sunday, 1/3/16
Oregon @ Oregon State
Monday 1/4/16
Youngstown State @ Oakland
Niagara @ Iona
Cleveland State @ Detroit
Wright State @ Green Bay
Northern Kentucky @ Milwaukee
Tuesday 1/5
Washington Generals Vs. Globetrotters @ Valparaiso University
Richmond @ Rhode Island
Wednesday 1/6
South Dakota @ IPFW
Toledo @ Ball State
Indiana State @ Drake
Northern Iowa @ Missouri State
Belmont @ SIU-Edwardsville
California @ Oregon
Stanford @ Oregon State
Quote from: talksalot on January 02, 2016, 03:37:39 PM
Oakland (9-5) 86 Cleveland State (5-9) 68 (Felder 20pts, 10 assists)
Felder played all 40 minutes. Better safe than sorry. You never know to the last second when an opponent might get on an 18-point run. lol
Quote from: wh on January 02, 2016, 06:14:17 PMQuote from: talksalot on January 02, 2016, 03:37:39 PMOakland (9-5) 86 Cleveland State (5-9) 68 (Felder 20pts, 10 assists)
Felder played all 40 minutes. Better safe than sorry. You never know to the last second when an opponent might get on an 18-point run. lol
wow Kampe....
Quote from: wh on January 02, 2016, 06:14:17 PMYou never know to the last second when an opponent might get on an 18-point run. lol
Like Milwaukee did against Wright State ! (20-2 over 5 minutes)... only to lose in OT... but... just sayin'...
OH... IPFW 60 Purdue North Central 32... AT THE HALF!
My best guess is that Felder is asking for the minutes to beef up his stats and improve his draft chances. Kempe is just doing his superstar a favor.
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 02, 2016, 07:23:45 PMRe: Opponent Games and Scores « Reply #193 on: Today at 07:23:45 PM » Qu
Not saying he couldn't, but Felder is not going anywhere.
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 02, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
My best guess is that Felder is asking for the minutes to beef up his stats and improve his draft chances. Kempe is just doing his superstar a favor.
Felder hit a 3 with 18 seconds left and Oakland holding a 15 point lead. Oh, and CSU had already substituted out its starters and in effect had already conceded the game.
Just add it to the list of boneheaded Kampe-isms.
Quote from: wh on January 02, 2016, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 02, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
My best guess is that Felder is asking for the minutes to beef up his stats and improve his draft chances. Kempe is just doing his superstar a favor.
Felder hit a 3 with 18 seconds left and Oakland holding a 15 point lead. Oh, and CSU had already substituted out its starters and in effect had already conceded the game.
Just add it to the list of boneheaded Kampe-isms.
Noted earlier: Bryce is the AntiKampe.
Quote from: wh on January 02, 2016, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 02, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
My best guess is that Felder is asking for the minutes to beef up his stats and improve his draft chances. Kempe is just doing his superstar a favor.
Felder hit a 3 with 18 seconds left and Oakland holding a 15 point lead. Oh, and CSU had already substituted out its starters and in effect had already conceded the game.
Just add it to the list of boneheaded Kampe-isms.
The contrast with Bryce is remarkable, for sure. Maybe Bryce takes it _too_ far. But, Alec played 27. And the end of the bench held the ball at the end of the game. Even through a shot clock violation.
I do wonder about Tevonn's minutes. He played just 20. Was it just his poor offense? 1 of 9 shooting? Or could there be something of his injuries hanging around?
The contrast in shots taken is pretty crazy. It's obviously not as simple as "Alec, take more shots". But, Tevonn 1-9. Darien 4-9. Alec 4-6.
I'm not complaining - let Kampe run his players into the ground again. Worked out well last year in the conference tournament.
Final Score from 1/3:
Oregon State 70 Oregon 57 took the 10-14-point lead early, and held it throughout the game.
OSU moves to top 50 sagarin @ #45; Oregon slips to #40 (from 39)
So Valpo is 1-1 against top-50 teams, and has the only Top-50 win in the Horizon League ... Wisconsin is up to #57 with a chance at moving up as their B10 competition heats up.
Monday 1/4/16 (Lines from CBSSPORTS.com)
All 5 games are on ESPN3... the Yst-OAK game is on Comcast SportsNet Chicago 6pm CT
Youngstown State @ Oakland - Grizzlies favored by 17.5pts
Niagara @ Iona - Gaels favored by 15.5pts
Cleveland State @ Detroit - Titans favored by 8pts
Wright State @ Green Bay - Phoenix favored by 6.5pts
Northern Kentucky @ Milwaukee - Panthers favored by 11pts
Go Figure... they have no line for the big battle:
2-12 Ark-Pine Bluff travelling to Mississippi Valley State, 0-14... for their first Home Game of the season!
The Golden Lions two wins are over Seattle (RPI 341 by 2) and Southeastern Louisiana (RPI 347, by 2)... (SWLA is now 0-11 themselves)
OH, Ark-PB should not be complaining at MVSU's schedule... they have not played at home this year either... and won't until January 16th... Mizzou beat'em 78-25 last Tuesday.
Quote from: talksalot on January 04, 2016, 05:04:44 PM2-12 Ark-Pine Bluff travelling to Mississippi Valley State, 0-14... for their first Home Game of the season!
The Golden Lions two wins are over Seattle (RPI 341 by 2) and Southeastern Louisiana (RPI 347, by 2)... (SWLA is now 0-11 themselves)
OH, Ark-PB should not be complaining at MVSU's schedule... they have not played at home this year either... and won't until January 16th... Mizzou beat'em 78-25 last Tuesday.
For the entire SWAC conference I counted a total of 6 OOC Div-1 home opponents. Wow! :o And I thought the basketball world was treating us like second class citizens!
I totally didn't realize conference play continued today. I knew it wasn't true, but I think I somehow thought "We're playing our travel partner, everybody must be."
Quote from: justducky on January 04, 2016, 05:55:00 PMFor the entire SWAC conference I counted a total of 6 OOC Div-1 home opponents. Wow! And I thought the basketball world was treating us like second class citizens!
It's hard not to think "back of the bus". It's pretty discouraging. As I mentioned recently, I don't know if they'd be better off non-D1, or not.
Youngstown St. is holding its own against Oakland. Both teams are looking good, and I'm sure YSU will fall apart, but this is looking to be a nail biter for OU fans.
Neither team looks good...neither team is playing a lick of defense. If Oakland can't stop YSU or Chicago State im not sure how they're going to defend teams with more talented offensive players.
"Defense?" What kind of gimmick offense is that? Sheesh. OU and YSU are going to both hit 100 points.
Quote from: agibson on January 04, 2016, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: justducky on January 04, 2016, 05:55:00 PMFor the entire SWAC conference I counted a total of 6 OOC Div-1 home opponents. Wow! And I thought the basketball world was treating us like second class citizens!
It's hard not to think "back of the bus". It's pretty discouraging. As I mentioned recently, I don't know if they'd be better off non-D1, or not.
If the entire SWAC decided to step down to Div-11 a dozen new qualified candidates (chumps) would be strongly encouraged to make the upward leap. I mean you really can't expect a Butler, IU, ND, Purdue or the like to play more than one true road game per year can you? That would be asking far too much!
YOUNGSTOWN STATE 100 OAKLAND 98 FINAL
Quote from: talksalot on January 04, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
YOUNGSTOWN STATE 100 OAKLAND 98 FINAL
That's not the important stat; Kahlil Felder with another monster offensive effort. 23 points and 14 assists. Let the NBA Watch continue.
It's no big deal, Oakland still gets the mostly home court advantage.
What are the chances of them losing two games in a row at home?
Huge! Their defense has been struggling for at least three games now. Valpo's defense has struggled once in this season.
Quote from: talksalot on January 04, 2016, 08:21:17 PM
What are the chances of them losing two games in a row at home?
Better, now. They lost the first one in a row!
Nationally televised, home court, against Valpo... I expect they will be at their best on Friday, regardless of their loss tonight. Should be a lot of fun!
The Oakland RPI just dropped 30+ places. Losing to weak teams on the road is bad but losing to them at home is a disaster.
YSU looks like a team that can shoot! They also have a player they may want to place under armed guard just in case Michigan St starts snooping around. Maybe the HL can get a group rate insurance policy to cover future economic losses caused by Izzo's activity.
Man bun guy was lighting up Oakland in the first half. ESPN3 was a bit, ok a lot, glitchy during the second half.
Quote from: justducky on January 04, 2016, 08:36:00 PM
The Oakland RPI just dropped 30+ places. Losing to weak teams on the road is bad but losing to them at home is a disaster.
YSU looks like a team that can shoot! They also have a player they may want to place under armed guard just in case Michigan St starts snooping around. Maybe the HL can get a group rate insurance policy to cover future economic losses caused by Izzo's activity.
Hmm...Izzo. Maybe that's why the
MSU Farm System Horizon League Tournament was moved to Michigan.
Surprises abound. Milwaukee beat northern but trailed with 5 to go. They did not look pulled together at all.
1/4/16 Finals - Iona's win didn't help the ol' RPI... (Niagara falls to 3-12),
VALPO RPI is now 44... ok MAYBE A LITTLE...45 minutes later, the RPI is 42.
Detroit (8-5) 88 Cleveland State (5-10) 80
Iona (7-6) 65 Niagara 52
Green Bay (9-5) 76 Wright State (7-8) 68
Milwaukee (10-5) 76 Northern Kentucky (4-9) 67
Youngstown State (6-9) 100 Oakland (9-6) 98
looking ahead:
Tuesday 1/5
Washington Generals Vs. Globetrotters @ Valparaiso University
Richmond @ Rhode Island - ESPN-U,6pm Central
Quote from: HC on January 04, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Man bun guy was lighting up Oakland in the first half. ESPN3 was a bit, ok a lot, glitchy during the second half.
LOL, that's the same thing we called him on Sat.
Fun read: http://goldengrizzlyhoops.proboards.com/thread/1633/game-thread-ou-youngstown-state?page=1
Don't know why they are fussing...They will still host.
I wonder who will be handling the "game management" for the tournament? Scoring, Clock, PA...
When the Mid-Con tourney was in the Quad Cities, the Valpo table worked every game...not the case when it moved to Kemper.
Quote from: talksalot on January 04, 2016, 09:13:57 PMTuesday 1/5
Washington Generals Vs. Globetrotters @ Valparaiso University
Turns out that VU plays just a mite more defense than the Globetrotters. But, it was good fun!
Pretty decent crowd in the house, lots of kids. A certain number of familiar faces from VU games, but lots of less familiar faces too. Hopefully some good advertising for the VU teams.
I didn't realize they were on TV at the same time (6 PM ESPN2?).
Tuesday 1/5
Rhode Island (10-5) 77 Richmond 65
Quote from: talksalot on January 05, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
Tuesday 1/5
Washington Generals Vs. Globetrotters @ Valparaiso University
Final score was Globetrotters 104, World All-Stars 100, I think.
But 10 or 15 of the All-Stars were from their coach monkeying with the scoreboard. And 2 of the Globetrotters were from a nine-year old.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 05, 2016, 08:53:57 AM
Don't know why they are fussing...They will still host.
Detroit will host.
Horse a piece.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 05, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Horse a piece.
Since you didn't quote anything before your comment I have no idea what "Horse a piece" refers to or means. Was there a spelling error? ??? ???
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 06:29:58 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 05, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Horse a piece.
Since you didn't quote anything before your comment I have no idea what "Horse a piece" refers to or means. Was there a spelling error? ??? ???
Wisconsinese for "doesn't matter", "6 of one, half dozen of another," or "machts nichts." Oakland/Detroit hosting = a horse a piece cuz it's still in Detroit.
That's what I like about this forum... you learn something new every day...
http://www.waywordradio.org/discussion/topics/a-horse-apiece-1/ (http://www.waywordradio.org/discussion/topics/a-horse-apiece-1/)
Wisconsin people are weird.
Quote from: a3uge on January 06, 2016, 10:38:48 AM
Wisconsin people are weird.
Excuse me? I resemble that remark... :lol:
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 06, 2016, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 06:29:58 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 05, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Horse a piece.
Since you didn't quote anything before your comment I have no idea what "Horse a piece" refers to or means. Was there a spelling error? ??? ???
Wisconsinese for "doesn't matter", "6 of one, half dozen of another," or "machts nichts." Oakland/Detroit hosting = a horse a piece cuz it's still in Detroit.
Thank you. I may of even heard this phrase before but to me at the time it seemed out of context and I'm sure you didn't mind as the educated person you are for providing an explanation. The other phrases, "6 of one, half dozen of another" and "machts nichts" (it doesn't matter) I'm much more familiar with.
Wednesday 1/6
South Dakota @ IPFW - Local feed link: http://www.gomastodons.com/watch/?Live=397 (http://www.gomastodons.com/watch/?Live=397) Mastodons favored by 5.5 points
Toledo @ Ball State - ESPN3 - Ball State getting 2 points
Indiana State @ Drake - ESPN3 - Drake Getting 1 point at home
Northern Iowa @ Missouri State - ESPN3 - Missouri State getting 6.5 points at home
Belmont @ SIU-Edwardsville - ASN Feed: http://ovcdigitalnetwork.com/watch/?Live=3090 (http://ovcdigitalnetwork.com/watch/?Live=3090) Belmont favored by 11.5 points
California @ Oregon - ESPN2 - Ducks favored by 3.5 points
Stanford @ Oregon State - ESPNU - Beavers are favored by 6 points at home
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 06, 2016, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 06:29:58 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 05, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Horse a piece.
Since you didn't quote anything before your comment I have no idea what "Horse a piece" refers to or means. Was there a spelling error? ??? ???
Wisconsinese for "doesn't matter", "6 of one, half dozen of another," or "machts nichts." Oakland/Detroit hosting = a horse a piece cuz it's still in Detroit.
Thank you. I may of even heard this phrase before but to me at the time it seemed out of context and I'm sure you didn't mind as the educated person you are for providing an explanation. The other phrases, "6 of one, half dozen of another" and "machts nichts" (it doesn't matter) I'm much more familiar with.
It threw me at first as well when I moved out here 2 years ago.
Quote from: talksalot on January 06, 2016, 05:06:21 PMSouth Dakota @ IPFW - Local feed link: http://www.gomastodons.com/watch/?Live=397 (http://www.gomastodons.com/watch/?Live=397) Mastodons favored by 5.5 points
Toledo @ Ball State - ESPN3 - Ball State getting 2 points
IPFW 85-65 over South Dakota . They are now 11-4 and continue to sit at about RPI 90.
Ball St 87-69 over Toledo Their RPI barely moves to #229. You would think their 9-4 record would deserve better, but their SOS is near the bottom at 346.
Wednesday 1/6... 7 opponents in action ... our opponents won the first 6 ... darn you Oregon State!
IPFW (13-4) 85 South Dakota 65 (Mastodon RPI up to 91)
Ball State (10-4) 87 Toledo 69 (Cardinals RPI 225)
Those two nice wins have moved Valpo up to RPI 39 8:25pm
Missouri State (5-10) 59 Northern Iowa 58 ! Nice top-100 win... UNI was #96
and the Valpo RPI is up to #37 on that win 9:03pm; MoSt RPI 251
Indiana State (7-7) 79 Drake 69; Sycamore RPI 161
Belmont (10-6) 85 SIU-Edwardsville 77 (Belmont RPI falls from 100 to 101 and back to 100, ending at 99 !)
California @ Oregon (12-3) 68 Stanford 65 (Duck RPI from 19 to 14)
Valpo RPI up to 36 ! 10:18pm
Valpo RPI up to 34 !! 10:33pm
(we leap-frogged Butler and Purdue tonight... among others)
Stanford 78 Oregon State (10-3) 72... ruining our perfect night. Valpo's RPI falls to 35; Beavers fall to 43
and Purdue goes back ahead of Valpo, with an RPI of 34.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 06, 2016, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 06:29:58 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 05, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Horse a piece.
Since you didn't quote anything before your comment I have no idea what "Horse a piece" refers to or means. Was there a spelling error? ??? ???
Wisconsinese for "doesn't matter", "6 of one, half dozen of another," or "machts nichts." Oakland/Detroit hosting = a horse a piece cuz it's still in Detroit.
Well, it is a half hour away. I suppose Oakland might be part of the Greater Detroit metropolitan area. I didn't map the distance between Calihan and Joe Louis, but I'm guessing it's significantly shorter.
Whatever. My point remains. UDM has just as much of an advantage, and a little bit more I would think, to say nothing of the fact that I expect Oakland to a be lot more worthy than Detroit will be. We'll have to see of course.
Indiana State beats Drake on the road, 79-69
Thursday 1/7/16
Green Bay @ Cleveland State - Phoenix favored by 3 points
Milwaukee @ Youngstown State - Panthers favored by 6.5 pounts
Rider @ Iona - Gae's are favored 8.5 pomts
Friday 1/8/16 ... only 6 D-1 Games in the nation
UIC @ Detroit
Saturday 1/9/16 - 13 of our opponents are in action !
Wright State @ Northern Kentucky
Ball State @ Ohio
Illinois State @ Indiana State
Milwaukee @ Cleveland State
Eastern Illinois @ Belmont
Missouri State @ Loyola
Marist @ Iona
IPFW @ Denver
Green Bay @ Youngstown State
California @ Oregon State
Quote from: talksalot on January 06, 2016, 08:23:15 PMValpo RPI up to 36 ! 10:18pm Valpo RPI up to 34 !! 10:33pm
As good as Oakland is....even if we escape with a road win in the O'rena we may drop in rpi because they are around 130ish. (Just as Belmont did last night)
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 07, 2016, 06:08:52 AM
Quote from: talksalot on January 06, 2016, 08:23:15 PMValpo RPI up to 36 ! 10:18pm Valpo RPI up to 34 !! 10:33pm
As good as Oakland is....even if we escape with a road win in the O'rena we may drop in rpi because they are around 130ish. (Just as Belmont did last night)
They're 9-6. Some bad opponents in their record, but some good ones too. I bet our RPI is fine, increasing at least a bit, on a road win at Oakland. It's probably our best chance, right? And, they haven't played UIC or NKY yet.
Quote from: agibson on January 07, 2016, 09:05:08 AMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 07, 2016, 06:08:52 AMQuote from: talksalot on January 06, 2016, 08:23:15 PMValpo RPI up to 36 ! 10:18pm Valpo RPI up to 34 !! 10:33pm
As good as Oakland is....even if we escape with a road win in the O'rena we may drop in rpi because they are around 130ish. (Just as Belmont did last night)
They're 9-6. Some bad opponents in their record, but some good ones too. I bet our RPI is fine, increasing at least a bit, on a road win at Oakland. It's probably our best chance, right? And, they haven't played UIC or NKY yet.
So basically we will not be able to improve our rpi through any HL games?
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 07, 2016, 09:46:46 AM
Quote from: agibson on January 07, 2016, 09:05:08 AMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 07, 2016, 06:08:52 AMAs good as Oakland is....even if we escape with a road win in the O'rena we may drop in rpi because they are around 130ish. (Just as Belmont did last night)
They're 9-6. Some bad opponents in their record, but some good ones too. I bet our RPI is fine, increasing at least a bit, on a road win at Oakland. It's probably our best chance, right? And, they haven't played UIC or NKY yet.
So basically we will not be able to improve our rpi through any HL games?
Playing with the numbers a little, maybe it's not quite as dismal as some of us assumed. Most road wins seem likely to help our RPI, and some home wins.
We're currently RPI #35 or #40. RPI Forecast says #40, Warren Nolan (probably more up to date?) says #35. If we win out the regular season (4% chance, says RPI Forecast) RPI Forecast puts us at #25.1, #38 with even two more losses (25% chance of that particular outcome, or 45% chance we do at least that well). So, we can certainly improve.
RPI Forecast currently has us 53%, 0.8 point, favorites at Oakland.
Turning to RPI Wizard, the computational details get a little murky, but if I give us _no_ other games, _just_ our current record, they give us #33 (at the end of the season for everybody else, I think). If I add the Oakland road win it improves to #24. They claim a loss there would drop us to #37. They claim that even a win against Oakland at the ARC, as the only other game of the season after today, would put us at #25.
They've got Milwaukee, Detroit, and Green Bay road wins helping us too.
Road wins that hurt us: UIC, NKY and Youngstown's a push. But, it seems that most road wins will help us.
They've got the Milwaukee win at the ARC helping us, but the Detroit win a push. So, probably a number of wins at the ARC will hurt us.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 06, 2016, 08:32:52 PMWell, it is a half hour away. I suppose Oakland might be part of the Greater Detroit metropolitan area. I didn't map the distance between Calihan and Joe Louis, but I'm guessing it's significantly shorter.
Approximately 35 miles from OU to Joe Louis, about 40 minutes.
Aprroximately 10 miles from UDM to Joe Louis, about 15 minutes.
Thursday 1/7/16
Green Bay (10-5) 87 Cleveland State (5-11) 67
Milwaukee (11-5) 81 Youngstown State (6-10) 65
Iona (8-6) 67 Rider 58 25 wins in a row at home for the Gaels, now leading their division.
HL Standings and RPIs
Green Bay 3-0 138
Detroit 2-0 117
Valpo 1-0 35
Milwaukee 2-1 173
Oakland 1-1 136
Wright St 1-1 164
Young St 1-2 231
UIC 0-1 344
No Ky 0-2 298
Clev St 0-3 187
Green Bay has a pretty cake schedule those first five games.
Do we play at Iona next year?
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 07, 2016, 09:56:21 PMDo we play at Iona next year?
I'd like to ... but this year the game was part of the Oregon State Tournament...(along with the two d-3 games). They went to Corvallis and lost by 20 a few days before we went out there.
Quote from: HC on January 07, 2016, 09:45:52 PMGreen Bay has a pretty cake schedule those first five games.
but they have a really strange schedule.... their last 10 games... first 5 on the road and end the season with 5 straight conference home games... ending with us.
Friday 1/8
Detroit (9-5) 87 UIC (2-11) 69
12 in a row at Calihan for the Titans
waiting to see the Valpo RPI change from 28...
and there could be some wild swings tomorrow with 9 games featuring 13 of our opponents...
Saturday 1/9/16 - 13 of our opponents are in action !
Wright State @ Northern Kentucky - ESPN3
Ball State @ Ohio
Illinois State @ Indiana State - ESPN3
Milwaukee @ Cleveland State - ESPN3
Eastern Illinois @ Belmont
Missouri State @ Loyola - ESPN3
Marist @ Iona - ESPN3
IPFW @ Denver
Green Bay @ Youngstown State - ESPN3
California @ Oregon State - PAC12 Network
Sunday 1/10
Rhode Island @ St. Josephs
UIC @ Oakland
Stanford @ Oregon
Monday 1/11
Cal State Bakersfield @ Chicago State
Shouldn't be looking ahead at the schedule but noticed that we have a stretch of 4 games against the best of HL. Oakland and Detroit on the road then Milwaukee and Green Bay. Thats a difficult stretch. Would have liked a YSU or NKU in the middle.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2016, 09:31:16 AMShouldn't be looking ahead at the schedule
Well, it might help you get a reserved seat on the airplane ;) Best of luck with your travels. Not sure if it'll be as far East as Detroit, but weather coming in tonight.
Saturday 1/9/16 - 13 of our opponents are in action !...
Only Ball State, RPI #201 let us down...losing to RPI #94
on the day, our opponents go 9-4, 3 were HL games (6-1 in teams-already-played)... RPI dips from 28 to 29 as of 5:25pm CT.. and dipped to 30 as of 7:01pm and two games to go...back to 28 before the Oregon State game final)... and we end up at #26 !...
Wright State (8-8) 60 Northern Kentucky (4-10) 46
Ohio 79 Ball State (10-5) 73, BSU has not won a road game all year
Indiana State (9-7) 77 Illinois State 65, Sycamores are 5-1 at home this year
Milwaukee (12-5) 65 Cleveland State (5-12) 62
Belmont (11-6) 85 Eastern Illinois 59
Missouri State (6-10) 56 Loyola 54 Nice Road win for the Bears,
Iona (9-6) 90 Marist 80 26 in a row at home for the Gaels
IPFW (14-4) 65 Denver 64 Nice road win for the Mastodons!
Youngstown State (7-10) 103 Green Bay (10-6) 93, Fear the 'Guins!
Oregon State (11-3) 77 Stanford 71, Beavers RPI is 33, Oregon up to #11
So after tomorrow... Valpo is either in first place (3-0)... or tied for 4th (2-1)
Don't look now but YSU just scored 100 on Green Bay and beat them by 9 I think, after leading by as many as 20.
Quote from: talksalot on January 09, 2016, 05:26:39 PMDon't look now but YSU just scored 100 on Green Bay and beat them by 9 I think, after leading by as many as 20.
103-93 What is this world coming to? Didn't anybody tell Slocum that he and his bunch aren't supposed to do that?
Maybe that last 3 games of non-conference against Notre Dame, Michigan and Purdue has had some positive benefits? Slocum for coach of the year?
I watched it. Very ugly game with turnovers and quick shots. Green Bay presses the entire game. YSU has a couple freshman that can shoot. They will actually be good in a couple of years. When I say good, middle to the top of the pack. Certainly not the double bye material. But time will tell.
YSU certainly does not seem to know how to milk the clock when they are ahead. They refuse to do it. As much as valpo fans have been known to hate how Bryce has milked the clock in the past, the Penguins seem to be the opposite extreme. They act like they are playing with a 12 second shot clock instead of 30.
It may well be that Slocum wants them to handle it this way. I have trouble fathoming it, but that's what I saw tonight. They single-handedly kept GB in the game -- just barely, as it turns out.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 09, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
YSU certainly does not seem to know how to milk the clock when they are ahead. They refuse to do it. As much as valpo fans have been known to hate how Bryce has milked the clock in the past, the Penguins seem to be the opposite extreme. They act like they are playing with a 12 second shot clock instead of 30.
It may well be that Slocum wants them to handle it this way. I have trouble fathoming it, but that's what I saw tonight. They single-handedly kept GB in the game -- just barely, as it turns out.
And think what a little bit of defense would have done for GB. The Phoenix only lost by 10.
Quote from: bbtds on January 09, 2016, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 09, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
YSU certainly does not seem to know how to milk the clock when they are ahead. They refuse to do it. As much as valpo fans have been known to hate how Bryce has milked the clock in the past, the Penguins seem to be the opposite extreme. They act like they are playing with a 12 second shot clock instead of 30.
It may well be that Slocum wants them to handle it this way. I have trouble fathoming it, but that's what I saw tonight. They single-handedly kept GB in the game -- just barely, as it turns out.
And think what a little bit of defense would have done for GB. The Phoenix only lost by 10.
How do you think they kept making a game of it? They did play a little bit of defense down the stretch.
Just a little bit -- full court press, which I think bothered the Penguins a lot.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 10, 2016, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 09, 2016, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 09, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
YSU certainly does not seem to know how to milk the clock when they are ahead. They refuse to do it. As much as valpo fans have been known to hate how Bryce has milked the clock in the past, the Penguins seem to be the opposite extreme. They act like they are playing with a 12 second shot clock instead of 30.
It may well be that Slocum wants them to handle it this way. I have trouble fathoming it, but that's what I saw tonight. They single-handedly kept GB in the game -- just barely, as it turns out.
And think what a little bit of defense would have done for GB. The Phoenix only lost by 10.
How do you think they kept making a game of it? They did play a little bit of defense down the stretch.
Just a little bit -- full court press, which I think bothered the Penguins a lot.
I suppose I think of defense as being in the half court and not pressing. Some how in my mind pressing is the same as fast breaking on offense. Run-run-run!
Sunday 1/10... after the UDM win... Valpo RPI up to 24 ! 2:35pm... and the morning after... RPI stands at 22 !!!!! Thanks Ducks
St. Josephs 72 Rhode Island (10-6) 67
Oakland (10-7) 86 UIC (2-12) 61... Grizz drop 51 in the second half! Felder 26 pts, 0 rebs, 4 asts, 0-2 3ptrs.
Oregon (13-3) 71 Stanford 58
Planning your week...
Monday 1/11
Cal State Bakersfield @ Chicago State
Tuesday 1/12
Ball State @ Western Michigan
Wednesday 1/13
Rhode Island @ St Bonaventure
Northern Iowa @ Indiana State
Wichita State @ Missouri State
Oregon State @ Colorado
Thursday 1/14
Cleveland State @ Wright State
Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky
IPFW @ South Dakota State
Green Bay @ UIC
Chicago State @ Texas-Rio Grande Valley
Murray State @ Belmont
Oregon @ Utah
Friday 1/15
Monmouth @ Iona
Quote from: bbtds on January 10, 2016, 02:13:20 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 10, 2016, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 09, 2016, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 09, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
YSU certainly does not seem to know how to milk the clock when they are ahead. They refuse to do it. As much as valpo fans have been known to hate how Bryce has milked the clock in the past, the Penguins seem to be the opposite extreme. They act like they are playing with a 12 second shot clock instead of 30.
It may well be that Slocum wants them to handle it this way. I have trouble fathoming it, but that's what I saw tonight. They single-handedly kept GB in the game -- just barely, as it turns out.
And think what a little bit of defense would have done for GB. The Phoenix only lost by 10.
How do you think they kept making a game of it? They did play a little bit of defense down the stretch.
Just a little bit -- full court press, which I think bothered the Penguins a lot.
I suppose I think of defense as being in the half court and not pressing. Some how in my mind pressing is the same as fast breaking on offense. Run-run-run!
Ah. I think of defense as trying to stop them from scoring. Stealing it or forcing a turnover fits that definition ;)
Monday 1/11 - this loss knocked us back up to RPI #23... thanks Cougars!
Cal State Bakersfield 67 Chicago State (4-14) 56
Not a lot of activity in D1 tonight...Monmouth (12-4), RPI 24, picked up a nice road win against Fairfield.
Tuesday 1/12
Ball State (11-5) 74 Western Michigan 64
and the Valpo RPI rises to #21... but we have a few opponent-opponents on the court... and they are not doing particularly well !
and just like that... Toledo (Detroit, Oakland and Ball State Opponent) and Kansas (Oregon State)both go down.. and the Valpo RPI goes back to #22... That OOWP will get you every time!
PS... I see this is my 1,000th post... and I guess I don't really win anything... I always wanted to be a legend in my own time.
Quote from: talksalot on January 12, 2016, 08:05:10 PM
PS... I see this is my 1,000th post... and I guess I don't really win anything... I always wanted to be a legend in my own time.
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YOU'RE THE WINNER, TALKSALOT!!...but don't respond for a while or you'll ruin it............. ;)
Awwww, thanks BBTS! (I Like the keyboard... nice touch)
Wednesday 1/13
Rhode Island @ St Bonaventure - Bonnies (11-3) favored by 1 at home
Northern Iowa @ Indiana State - Panthers (10-7) favored by 1.5 on the road
Wichita State @ Missouri State - Shockers (10-5) favored by 15 on the road
Oregon State @ Colorado - Buffalos (12-4) favored by 4.5 at home
Quote from: talksalot on January 13, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Awwww, thanks BBTS! (I Like the keyboard... nice touch)
Wednesday 1/13
Rhode Island @ St Bonaventure - Bonnies (11-3) favored by 1 at home
Northern Iowa @ Indiana State - Panthers (10-7) favored by 1.5 on the road
Wichita State @ Missouri State - Shockers (10-5) favored by 15 on the road
Oregon State @ Colorado - Buffalos (12-4) favored by 4.5 at home
A highly-unlikely Missouri State win would be sweet and would help separate us from the Shockers in the polls.
Wednesday 1/13 - Valpo RPI hanging in there at 22 with Rhody and MoSo losing; and ISU winning. A lot of OOWP opportunities tonight with a full valley schedule...and the OSU game upcoming... and at the end of the day, we drop to #23. Thanks Beavers! we held off Monmouth by .0002 to avoid falling to #24.
St Bonaventure 69 Rhode Island (10-7) 64 - tough road loss, Bonnies go up to 12-3, 4-0 in A10 and RPI is 57
Indiana State (10-7) 74 Northern Iowa 60 - Sycamores win again at home, up to 4-1 in the Valley; and 5-1 at home, ISU RPI is 138
Wichita State 78 Missouri State (6-11) 62 - Bears jump out 21-12 early... then tank after a pair of block-charge calls go against 'em.
Colorado 71 Oregon State (11-4) 54... as the Beavers take one on the chin! after having the lead 38-37 with 12:00 to play; Payton had 26 & 15... not enough.
Quote from: talksalot on January 13, 2016, 08:23:14 PMOregon State @ Colorado - Buffalos (12-4) favored by 4.5 at home
Had me yelling, "Go Tinkle" loudly at the TV but alas, buffaloed in the end 71-54. Men from Boulder are the winners.
Thursday 1/14
Cleveland State @ Wright State - Raiders giving 7.5 at home
Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky - Norsemen giving 2.5 at home
IPFW @ South Dakota State - Mastodons getting 9 points on the road
Green Bay @ UIC - UIC Getting 13 points at home
Chicago State @ Texas-Rio Grande Valley - No Line, Vaquero's low-water mark on attendance is 821.... so far
Murray State @ Belmont - Belmont giving 8.5 at home
Oregon @ Utah - Ducks getting 4.5 on the road (Utah beat Colorado who beat Oregon State)
I'll be paying attention to the Wright State game. I'm not sure what to make of them, but they're the preeminent dark-horse candidate.
Thursday 1/14 - so far, our already-played opponents wind up 2-4; despite the last two results, the RPI drops to #23 "the morning after"
Cleveland State @ Wright State (9-8) 70 Cleveland State (5-13) 53
Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky (5-10) 84 Youngstown State (7-11) 64
South Dakota State 92 IPFW (14-5) 76
Green Bay (11-6) 78 UIC (2-13) 76
Texas-Rio Grande Valley 82 Chicago State (4-15) 72
Belmont (12-6) 81 Murray State 73
Oregon (14-3) 77 Utah 59
and the KEN POM rankings have us now #2 behind Louisville for total defense...
Belmont with the home win over Murray State.
Friday 1/15
Monmouth @ Iona -
Interesting spread has the Gaels giving 2 at home against 12-4 Monmouth.... the LONG home winning streak is on the line!
From the Gael's Game notes: Iona has won 17 of its last 18 and 25 of its last 27 MAAC regular season contests. Iona matched its best ever Hynes Center MAAC record at 9-0 in 2014-15 and have won 17 straight MAAC games at home. The last time Iona went unbeaten in MAAC play was 1997-98 (9-0). Iona is 45-4 in MAAC contests in New Rochelle under head coach Tim Cluess. • Iona has won 26 straight home contests.
Following home losses by Old Dominion last night, the Gaels now own the sixth longest active streak in the NCAA. It has won 28 of its last 29 and 51 of its last 55. • The current winning streak is the longest in school history, surpassing the 21 straight set from 1978-80.
For your weekend viewing pleasure:
Saturday 1/16
IPFW @ Nebraska - Omaha
Miami (OH) @ Ball State
LaSalle @ Rhode Island
Oakland @ Detroit
Milwaukee @ UIC
Youngstown State @ Wright State
Cleveland State @ Northern Kentucky
Missouri State @ Bradley
Austin Peay @ Belmont
Chicago State @ New Mexico State
Sunday 1/17
Iona @ Rider
Indiana State @ Wichita State
Oregon @ Colorado
Oregon State @ Utah
Quote from: talksalot on January 15, 2016, 11:07:28 AMIona has won 26 straight home contests.
Following home losses by Old Dominion last night, the Gaels now own the sixth longest active streak in the NCAA.
I've been optimistically wondering what this list looks like. The best version I've found is at
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/stats (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/stats)
(which apparently gets the Iona number wrong, so take it with a grain of salt, I guess...)
Valpo's apparently T10.
Very amusing that 4 road wins is enough to get you into the top-10 active streak list currently. Hopefully we join that soon. (Or maybe it gets tougher to make the list during conference play, with surely some other weak conferences dominated by a single strong team?)
Quote from: talksalot on January 15, 2016, 11:07:28 AM
Friday 1/15
Monmouth @ Iona -
Interesting spread has the Gaels giving 2 at home against 12-4 Monmouth.... the LONG home winning streak is on the line!
From the Gael's Game notes: Iona has won 17 of its last 18 and 25 of its last 27 MAAC regular season contests. Iona matched its best ever Hynes Center MAAC record at 9-0 in 2014-15 and have won 17 straight MAAC games at home. The last time Iona went unbeaten in MAAC play was 1997-98 (9-0). Iona is 45-4 in MAAC contests in New Rochelle under head coach Tim Cluess. • Iona has won 26 straight home contests.
Following home losses by Old Dominion last night, the Gaels now own the sixth longest active streak in the NCAA. It has won 28 of its last 29 and 51 of its last 55. • The current winning streak is the longest in school history, surpassing the 21 straight set from 1978-80.
For your weekend viewing pleasure:
Saturday 1/16
IPFW @ Nebraska - Omaha
Miami (OH) @ Ball State
LaSalle @ Rhode Island
Oakland @ Detroit
Milwaukee @ UIC
Youngstown State @ Wright State
Cleveland State @ Northern Kentucky
Missouri State @ Bradley
Austin Peay @ Belmont
Chicago State @ New Mexico State
Sunday 1/17
Iona @ Rider
Indiana State @ Wichita State
Oregon @ Colorado
Oregon State @ Utah
Monmouth Iona on ESPNU at 9PM is a must see for mid major basketball fans! Major implications for Valpo - an Iona win would give us higher stature since we beat Iona and need them to be in the top 100 RPI, and it may also knock Monmouth below Valpo in terms of potential tournament seeding, or even at-large considerations!
Plus Monmouth's bench is fun to watch.
I heard a radio interview on Detroit radio(WJR) this morning with Coach McC of Detroit. He pretty much pleaded for the fans to come out for the game with Oakland which is at Detroit on Saturday. He said that Callahan holds 8,700. I didn't realize it held that many.
The interviewer, Frank Beckmann, said there probably wont be alot of defense in the game seeing that both teams average around 85 ppg. The Coach agreed. He basically also agreed with the premise that Detroit probably had kept Oakland out of the Horizon in order to maintain a recruiting advantage in the Detroit area. He also felt having the tourney there will be a big recruiting advantage to them and OU. Really?
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2016, 03:35:08 PMMonmouth Iona on ESPNU at 9PM is a must see for mid major basketball fans! Major implications for Valpo - an Iona win would give us higher stature since we beat Iona and need them to be in the top 100 RPI, and it may also knock Monmouth below Valpo in terms of potential tournament seeding, or even at-large considerations!
Plus Monmouth's bench is fun to watch.
Thats 8:00 central. Monmouth has road wins at Notre Dame, Georgetown and Rutgers. They also have a neutral court victory over UCLA and took Dayton to the wire with a 73-70 loss.
Monmouth does trail VU by 3 in RPI @26, 32 in Pomeroy @50 vs 18, and 33 in Sagarin @68 vs our 35. Numbers aside their play and bench antics are a more interesting story than our suffocating defense and I'm sure the NCAA would love to include them in the tournament field. Their bench antics highlight reel dwarfs anything we have accomplished on the court! :o
This is not meant to knock VU, but how in the world can Monmouth trail VU -- in some instances by considerable margins -- in these ranking systems?
Let's say you asked the random college basketball fan to compare these two teams and pick the one with the most impressive resume:
Team A 14-3
Wins: Oregon St, Iona, Belmont, Rhode Island, Oakland Losses: Oregon, Ball St, Belmont
Team B 12-4
Wins: Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Rutgers Losses: USC, Army, Canisius, Dayton
Would most people choose Team A?
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on January 15, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
This is not meant to knock VU, but how in the world can Monmouth trail VU -- in some instances by considerable margins -- in these ranking systems?
Let's say you asked the random college basketball fan to compare these two teams and pick the one with the most impressive resume:
Team A 14-3
Wins: Oregon St, Iona, Belmont, Rhode Island, Oakland Losses: Oregon, Ball St, Belmont
Team B 12-4
Wins: Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Rutgers Losses: USC, Army, Canisius, Dayton
Would most people choose Team A?
Paul
Oh my god they beat RUTGERS!??
Quote from: 78crusader on January 15, 2016, 05:08:46 PMWould most people choose Team A?
Monmouth has some great wins for sure. USC and Notre Dame are good wins, absolutely, even on neutral courts. They also lost @USC.
@Army's a significantly worse loss than @Belmont, and @Canisius worse even than @Ball State.
I guess the computers are saying they have the flashier schedule - more chances at top 50 and top 100 opponents, including chances on a neutral court.
But, given our schedule, given our opponents and our performances against them, we look better overall than Monmouth. And would be expected to do better than Monmouth with the same schedule, or in the NCAA.
But, yeah, I don't want to go head-to-head with them on Selection Sunday. I don't trust the Selection Committee to side with the computer numbers over the "Big Wins + Worse-than-Valpo's Losses". I'd be happy for Monmouth to pick up a couple of more bad losses, and then for Iona to knock them off in the conference tournament.
And, who knows, maybe Monmouth is the better choice for "can likely do some damage in the NCAA tournament". A track record of wins against the big boys is hard to argue with.
Quote from: 78crusader on January 15, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
This is not meant to knock VU, but how in the world can Monmouth trail VU -- in some instances by considerable margins -- in these ranking systems?
Let's say you asked the random college basketball fan to compare these two teams and pick the one with the most impressive resume:
Team A 14-3
Wins: Oregon St, Iona, Belmont, Rhode Island, Oakland Losses: Oregon, Ball St, Belmont
Team B 12-4
Wins: Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Rutgers Losses: USC, Army, Canisius, Dayton
Would most people choose Team A?
Paul
If they are not particularly well informed; of course. The RPI was partly devised to combat this tendency to overestimate the strength of traditional powers in any given year. If Oregon State beat Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, and Georgetown on the road this year, their name would still not impress people, in spite of their conference affiliation.
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2016, 03:35:08 PMMonmouth Iona on ESPNU at 9PM [8PM Central] is a must see for mid major basketball fans!
Sounds like a good one, I'll try to tune in.
Speaking of Adam Amin, on the other thread, not featuring opponents of ours, but, instead, an alum of ours:
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Quote from: 78crusader on January 15, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
This is not meant to knock VU, but how in the world can Monmouth trail VU -- in some instances by considerable margins -- in these ranking systems?
Let's say you asked the random college basketball fan to compare these two teams and pick the one with the most impressive resume:
Team A 14-3
Wins: Oregon St, Iona, Belmont, Rhode Island, Oakland Losses: Oregon, Ball St, Belmont
Team B 12-4
Wins: Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Rutgers Losses: USC, Army, Canisius, Dayton
Would most people choose Team A?
Paul
I'd trade our signature wins with theirs
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Monmouth has played eight games against teams 200 or worse in the KenPom rankings, we've played three. There's your difference.
At the Half, Gaels up 45-44...scoring the last 9 points (7 by AJEnglish) of the half.
Just looked at Monmouth's schedule... they have played 3... count 'em 3 home games, with Wagner as their only OOC Home opponent.... and they played their first two Conference games on 12/4 and 12/6...
and they actually played USC Twice; losing @USC 101-90 in a pre-tournament game...went to the advocare tourney near Orlando; and got bracketed against them 13 days later and beat 'em by 10.
Monmouth 110 Iona 102.... regulation and a brawl at the "hand shaking" when it was over... what a mess....
That will be reviewed by the MAAC and there will be penalties and suspensions from that...
There goes the winning streak...the Watching this on the APP, don't know if the U carried all of the mess....
and the Valpo RPI falls to 24... despite Toledo's win helping the OOWP...
Well, tomorrow's another day
I turned it off as the coaches were shaking hands....
While they were trying to make their comeback, Iona was pretty aggressive. I'm sure someone on Monmouth took exception to getting whacked. Towards the end English caught his defender with an inadvertent (I assume) elbow, I'm sure that didn't help things.
AJ English had 45, but Iona loses.
Big fight at end which will end in at least one Iona suspension.
Quote from: talksalot on January 15, 2016, 10:15:28 PMdon't know if the U carried all of the mess....
They seemed to stick around, extended coverage.
Quote from: talksalot on January 15, 2016, 10:15:28 PMMonmouth 110 Iona 102.... regulation and a brawl at the "hand shaking" when it was over... what a mess....
I fell asleep just prior to that. :snore:
I have a better appreciation for our non stop, no excuses, lock down defense now that I have watched 40 straight minutes of transition basketball. Iona doesn't seem to have the depth for for it or the outside shooting, but I now understand why Monmouth has picked up some big wins.
My opinion VU better than Monmouth by 3 to 5 just like the RPI, Sag, and Pomeroy have indicated.
Entertaining game between Detroit and Oakland. Virtually no defense.
Saturday 1/16 - So far, our Opponents have been helping out !!... and the RPI has jumped to #20!... before the night games....
SO... ALL of our non-conference opponents won their games today EXCEPT Chicago State... and at 10:45pm... the RPI is at...... 17 !!!!! :o :thumbsup: ;D
IPFW (15-5) 106 Nebraska-Omaha 101 (OT)
Ball State (12-5) 48 Miami 46
Rhode Island (11-7) 73 LaSalle 62
Oakland (11-7) 86 Detroit (9-7) 82.... Both 3-2 in conference
Milwaukee (13-6) 87 UIC (2-14) 62 ... Milw 4-2, UIC, is not.
Wright State (10-8) 81 Youngstown State (7-12) 45 ... WSU is 4-1, YST is 2-4
Cleveland State (6-13) 70 Northern Kentucky (5-11) 65 CSU is 1-5, NoKy is 1-4
Missouri State (7-11) 61 Bradley 42
Belmont (13-6) 76 Austin Peay 58
New Mexico State 80 Chicago State (4-16) 62
and the team charter leaves from Porter County Airport on Sunday...
Quote from: a3uge on January 16, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
Entertaining game between Detroit and Oakland. Virtually no defense.
Nice of them to keep the video feed going for the McCallum post-game.
Sunday 1/17.... as good as things were on Saturday... things could go very wrong on Sunday...
Iona @ Rider (No word about any suspensions on either IONA or MAAC websites from the fight)
Indiana State @ Wichita State
Oregon @ Colorado
Oregon State @ Utah
Monday 1/18
UIC @ Cleveland State
Detroit @ Wright State
Tuesday 1/19
Kent State @ Ball State
Northern Kentucky @ Oakland
Green Bay @ Chicago State
Quote from: talksalot on January 16, 2016, 10:55:59 PMIona @ Rider (No word about any suspensions on either IONA or MAAC websites from the fight)
Evidently Washington will miss two games.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14582906/jordan-washington-iona-gaels-suspended-2-games-unsportsmanlike-incident-vs-monmouth-hawks (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14582906/jordan-washington-iona-gaels-suspended-2-games-unsportsmanlike-incident-vs-monmouth-hawks)
Sunday 1/17... er uh... things are not looking so good...With two in the books and two underway, we've fallen from 17 to 19 in the RPI and SOS is down to 86
The Wisconsin win over Michigan State helps Valpo's RPI more (with Milw and GBay both playing Wisc; only Oakland playing Michigan State)
Before the two PAC12 games go final, Oregon's RPI is 6 and OSU's is 38....Colorado is 31 and Utah is 34.
and I'm modifying this after the Ducks game... Beavers up 26-16 with 5:00 to play first half. Now the Ducks have fallen to #9 in the RPI and Colorado is up to #24.
and after the Beaver's Game... They fall to #40, Utah #29
and Valpo's RPI falls to #21... 8:15pm Central.
9:35pm central, the RPI stays at #21, but the SOS has fallen to #96 !
Rider 79 Iona (9-8) 75
Wichita State 82 Indiana State (10-8) 62
Colorado 91 Oregon (14-4) 87... ducks out-rebounded 44-28; Buffs 25-32 from the line.
Utah 59 Oregon State (11-5) 53
Yuppo ! All 4 opponents go DOWN....
Iona losing sucks. Anyone know how many were suspended from the Monmouth game?
Oregon State up 11 on the road at half vs Utah.
Only Washington was suspended for the Gaels... two games... today was #1.... see above post :)
Interesting article was it a "slap" or a Left Jab? either way, ugly.
Quote from: a3uge on January 17, 2016, 08:20:04 PMIona losing sucks. Anyone know how many were suspended from the Monmouth game?
At #270 Rider. Ugh.
I've not heard that the MAAC has weighed - more suspensions, fines, or other consequences seem possible. Then again, I'm not sure they'd issue a statement saying "We're declining to take action." So, who knows?
Watching the train wreck that is Oregon State at Utah... I've never seen a Flagrant-2 called like that...intentionally tripping the official after a missed non-call.
and the Beavers have just collapsed, blowing a 14-point lead... and missing layup after layup...a few blown calls going against them...
But Wisconisn (who was bear by Milwaukee) beat #3 Michigan State. That's got to be a positive right?
That Oregon State game had a terrible ending for us. What in the world was Reid thinking? He just bought himself a several game suspension from the Pac-12.
Iona wasn't much better. That Rider team was pretty bad, and Iona just couldn't stop them in the last 10 minutes.
Here's the link to what happened in the Oregon State game...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25453133/video-oregon-state-loses-at-utah-after-player-trips-ref-gets-ejected (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25453133/video-oregon-state-loses-at-utah-after-player-trips-ref-gets-ejected)
Note: Reid had 4 fouls before this whole thing happened, so he would have been done even for the flagrant 1 which also counts as a personal foul.... but still... Not a smart play
so... when you intentionally trip an official.... BYE BYE BYE BYE
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25453847/oregon-state-suspends-jarmal-reid-at-least-4-games-for-intentionally-tripping-referee (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25453847/oregon-state-suspends-jarmal-reid-at-least-4-games-for-intentionally-tripping-referee)
What a loser
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What a pathetic apology. It's obvious that he was doing nothing more than reading an apology written by some athletic dept. PR person. "First and foremost" he wants to apologize to everyone but the official he intentionally tripped. As close as he gets is an afterthought apology to "the officials." Then there's the classic "he's only 22" immature judgement excuse. Yeah, he's 22, not 13. He's been playing basketball for how many years now? Everyone who has ever played any sport at any level knows that touching an official is like pulling the fire alarm at school as a prank. You don't ever do it! The only place that 22 is considered still a kid is in college. At least no one is playing the victim card - yet. Nothing about no one at home to teach him that tripping a ref is wrong, or that the ref is a symbol of oppression of the power elite that he was just reacting to in the only way he could.
Enh, liberals can pile on a tripper too. Did you follow the reporter in Hungary?
Quote from: wh on January 18, 2016, 05:00:22 PM
What a pathetic apology. It's obvious that he was doing nothing more than reading an apology written by some athletic dept. PR person. "First and foremost" he wants to apologize to everyone but the official he intentionally tripped. As close as he gets is an afterthought apology to "the officials." Then there's the classic "he's only 22" immature judgement excuse. Yeah, he's 22, not 13. He's been playing basketball for how many years now? Everyone who has ever played any sport at any level knows that touching an official is like pulling the fire alarm at school as a prank. You don't ever do it! The only place that 22 is considered still a kid is in college. At least no one is playing the victim card - yet. Nothing about no one at home to teach him that tripping a ref is wrong, or that the ref is a symbol of oppression of the power elite that he was just reacting to in the only way he could.
Jeez! haha Mix yourself up a rum and coke, sit back and enjoy the game tonight. You need to get your blood pressure back down to a reasonable level.
Monday 1/18 - so again, both of our already-played opponents go down...
no helping the RPI here !
Cleveland State (7-13) 70 UIC (2-15) 53
Wright State (10-8) 77 Detroit (9-7) 76
Tuesday 1/19
Kent State @ Ball State - Cardinals giving 5 points at home
Northern Kentucky @ Oakland - Grizzlies giving 15 points at home
Green Bay @ Chicago State - Phoenix giving 7.5 on the road
Wednesday 1/20
Missouri State @ Drake
Indiana State @ Southern Illinois
UCLA @ Oregon State
Thursday 1/21
North Dakota State @ IPFW
Grand Canyon @ Chicago State
Southern Cal @ Oregon
Belmont @ Tennessee-Martin
Friday 1/22
UIC @ Northern Kentucky
St.Peters @ Iona
Rhode Island @ George Washington
Saturday 1/23
Ball State @ Eastern Michigan
Oakland @ Green Bay
Utah Valley @ Chicago State
Detroit @ Milwaukee
UCLA @ Oregon
Tennessee State @ Belmont
IUPUI @ IPFW
NKU is up by 2 over Oakland at Oakland at the half. Oakland's interior defense is horrible. There are times when NKU's guy underneath is being totally unguarded. Oakland is literally giving away baskets. Kampe was interviewed at the end of the half and expressed complete frustration over the unwillingness to play hard at home.
NKU lead was at 12 but has been cut to 7. I feel the momentum has shifted back to the home team and they have plenty of time to turn it around. NKU is not attacking the basketball and settles for bad shots at the end of shot clock.
Here we go again....Kampe wants a 5 minute review party and stops momentum.
Just "wow". They're going to lose and I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I get to be snarky about Felder getting his 20 points, but on the other, I want things to make sense.
Quote from: Valpower on January 19, 2016, 08:03:39 PMJust "wow". They're going to lose and I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I get to be snarky about Felder getting his 20 points, but on the other, I want things to make sense.
We want Oakland to win and have the highest RPI they can get. No hope on NKU RPI.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2016, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: Valpower on January 19, 2016, 08:03:39 PMJust "wow". They're going to lose and I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I get to be snarky about Felder getting his 20 points, but on the other, I want things to make sense.
We want Oakland to win and have the highest RPI they can get. No hope on NKU RPI.
We want the two teams we are likely to play in the tournament to have the highest RPI (since we'll play the other conference foes twice apiece) but I'm not sure Oakland will make it that far.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 19, 2016, 08:11:05 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2016, 08:05:59 PMQuote from: Valpower on January 19, 2016, 08:03:39 PMJust "wow". They're going to lose and I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I get to be snarky about Felder getting his 20 points, but on the other, I want things to make sense.
Why does the Oakland RPI matter more if in the long run, we're going to play (and presumably beat) each team twice? We want Oakland to win and have the highest RPI they can get. No hope on NKU RPI.
I'm assuming that's who we will play in the finals. Despite the bad loses, they have a high ceiling. Also they will play their best game against us. They overachieve against us.
Outside of valpo, the horizon league is awful. We shouldn't lose before the end of March
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Just watched Butler going to 2-4 in the Big Least and Oakland imploding. All I can honestly say is that Oakland and Detroit are on the same, continue to fail, plane. Both have great high school talent who have been schooled on the AAU level. Ya know, "give me the ball so I can show the scouts my stuff". It ain't working at either place. Kampe is a bigger mouth but he nor McCallum can get his kids to play team basketball.
The NKU coach has his kids playing great and we will face a challenge against them. At this point I would be surprised if either Detroit or Oakland make it to the Horizon finals. time to move on to the A-10...
Quote from: Valpower on January 19, 2016, 08:03:39 PM
Just "wow". They're going to lose and I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I get to be snarky about Felder getting his 20 points, but on the other, I want things to make sense.
NKY wins by seventeen. Like we won by seventeen - takes a bit of the shine off it, eh?
RPI 319 NKY (OK, now 275). 3rd D1 win NKY. UIC was hoping they might be the one team they could beat, NKY. Wow.
Vegas line was Oakland by 13. RPI Forecast prediction was Oakland by 15, NKY with a 9% chance to win.
Quote from: Valpower on January 19, 2016, 08:09:56 PMWe want the two teams we are likely to play in the tournament to have the highest RPI (since we'll play the other conference foes twice apiece) but I'm not sure Oakland will make it that far.
A piece of me wouldn't mind Oakland falling a bit, maybe still taking the third seed, but then losing in the first round of the tournament to Youngstown or somebody. (Guess it would be UIC!) Just to diminish, or at least contrast, the whole Felder POY thing.
Analytically, we might be interested in some hope of a HL team making it above RPI 100, to give us a couple of RPI 100 games in conference. Oakland debatably had the best chance. Maybe they could still do it, if they can keep it to maybe another loss or two (ha!) - and winning some tournament games would help. But, at this point, who knows who has the best chance? Nobody has a good chance.
Or we could just hope for "play the highest RPI teams in the tournament". Then we'd like The #2 and #4 teams, presumably, in the HL to get as many wins as possible. A top group, and then separation, that sort of thing.
Or, if we wanted to maximize our chances of winning the tournament, we could root for our biggest bogeymen to have to play 2-3 games before they see us. Not sure, at this point, who that might be...
If we relax too much, or have an off night, of course we _could_ lose to most anybody - probably anybody in the league on a really hot night. But, when Valpo's playing a decent game, I can't help but begin to wonder if they have much competition... Maybe Wright State will prove to be made out of sterner stuff. (And, again, maybe we'll lose at UIC!)
Welp, there goes their chance at an at-large...
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At this point Wright State is the team to beat! BIG game coming on the road!!
Quote from: a3uge on January 19, 2016, 08:27:21 PM
Welp, there goes their chance at an at-large...
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There's always Milwaukee!
Thought this was interesting and not sure if this is the place for this, but some of the Indiana Wesleyan games are on ESPN3 including today's game against Mount Vernon.
Quote from: vu72 on January 19, 2016, 08:16:17 PMIt ain't working at either place. Kampe is a bigger mouth but he nor McCallum can get his kids to play team basketball.
I can't find words to describe the scope of this tragedy. This dwarfs the lead poisoned Flint,Michigan water supply issue by a mile. :-X
What is going on? :o
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 19, 2016, 08:11:05 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2016, 08:05:59 PMQuote from: Valpower on January 19, 2016, 08:03:39 PMJust "wow". They're going to lose and I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I get to be snarky about Felder getting his 20 points, but on the other, I want things to make sense.
Why does the Oakland RPI matter more if in the long run, we're going to play (and presumably beat) each team twice? We want Oakland to win and have the highest RPI they can get. No hope on NKU RPI.
I'm assuming that's who we will play in the finals. Despite the bad loses, they have a high ceiling. Also they will play their best game against us. They overachieve against us.
I'm not so sure they had that high a ceiling, as that requires the possibility for improved team play. Unfortunately, Kampe (like Ray McC) chose to elevate the status of one player way above the others as a path to greatness. It worked for a while, but naturally at the expense of flexibility and long-term harmony. To his credit, he's getting a lot of attention for the school while we quietly take care of business the old-fashioned way. Hopefully for him, Felder's stock won't be tarnished by the team's underperformance and he'll be able to promise the next aspirational pro lots of minutes and a game plan designed to showcase his talents.
How stupid do those 6 voters who picked Oakland to win the conference look now? And the idiot that picked UDM as #1?
How stupid do those 6 voters who picked Oakland to win the conference look now? And the idiot that picked UDM as #1?
Tuesday 1/19
Kent State 76 Ball State (12-6) 68 - Ball State favored by 5
Northern Kentucky (6-11) 90 Oakland (11-8) 73- Grizzlies favored by 15
Green Bay (12-7) 99 Chicago State (4-17) 66 - Phoenix giving 7.5 on the road
so our already-played opponents go 1-3...
the OOWP did not fare as well... the OK State and Kansas game was a wash + for Missouri State and - for Oregon
the Ball State game hurt us, the Kent helped out YST and CLEV ST
Akron winning helps out Green Bay and Iona
they beat Eastern Michigan... that hurts Oakland and Detroit
Bottom line... with a few games still out... Valpo's RPI falls to 27, SOS falls to 124; Ken Pom Defense #3 still intact
Oakland thread:
http://goldengrizzlyhoops.proboards.com/thread/1638/game-thread-ou-northern-kentucky?page=1
Pretty hilarious.
We need to be careful, it could happen to us.
Wednesday 1/20
Missouri State @ Drake - Bulldogs giving one point at home
Indiana State @ Southern Illinois - Saluki's giving 3 points at home
UCLA @ Oregon State - Beavers giving 2 points at home
OOWP might do ok, Georgia, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Baylor all favored.
I think we would have a better shot getting into the MVC. Plus it's not as much travel.
Obviously the sum of Oakland's parts exceed its assembled finished product value. So if this was a new car it would already be parted out on a chop shop floor.
Or-----If this was a "Semi-Pro" basketball franchise the GM would be talking trades with every team on the planet as well as promoting their upcoming halftime event featuring Kampe wrestling an unshackled, unmuzzled, trophy sized Grizzle. How else are they going to get fans to come back?
Quote from: justducky on January 20, 2016, 09:40:16 AM
Obviously the sum of Oakland's parts exceed its assembled finished product value. So if this was a new car it would already be parted out on a chop shop floor.
Or-----If this was a "Semi-Pro" basketball franchise the GM would be talking trades with every team on the planet as well as promoting their upcoming halftime event featuring Kampe wrestling an unshackled, unmuzzled, trophy sized Grizzle. How else are they going to get fans to come back?
I think the Oakland poster that talked about the transfers not fitting in with their "better than this" attitude makes a good point as does justducky.
How does this player; SHERRON DORSEY-WALKER OVERVIEW: Spent his first two seasons at Iowa State, redshirting his first season ... One of the top prospects out of Michigan ... Rated No. 125 in the Rivals.com rankings and listed as the second-best player out of Michigan ... Ranked as the 24th-best shooting guard in the Class of 2012 ... Had offers from
Michigan, Baylor, Boston College, Florida State, Indiana and Virginia Tech out of High School ...Was high school teammates with Kahlil Felder ...
Put up this stat line?????## Player Name FG-FGA 3FG-3FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN EFF/POS
30 DORSEY-WALKER 1-5 0-2 0-0 1 1 2 3 2 2 1 0 2 30 .058
Does this performance justify 30 minutes on the floor under Head Coach Drew? Not a chance unless he was shutting out NKU's leading scorer and that certainly wasn't happening.
When I saw this kid play early in the season I thought Oakland had found the missing piece of the puzzle and that we were being put on notice that they indeed had a ton of talent and would be neck and neck with us for the conference title. Now it looks like somebody just scrambled all of the pieces. I honestly hope they get their act together because this is getting embarrassing for the league.
If Oakland ever wants to truly compete year-in-year-out as being one of the top mid-majors in the country they need to get rid of King Kampe, or at least he really needs to retool his coaching style.
The lets see if we can outscore our opponent night-in-night-out is a recipe for mediocrity. Yes, they were able to appear in the tourney in a poor Summit League where that coaching style works. Yes, from time to time they can compete with the big boys in the B1G but by trying to put up 90 every night and not playing much defense the opposing team will more likely than not be able to put up 90 as well. Some nights you score 91 they get 85, some nights its the opposite. Which leads to a .500 record; which is what Oakland is. A mediocre team, more than capable of pulling off an upset but nonetheless still a mediocre team.
The reason why Valpo is so strong is their defense. One of the tops in the country, it allows you to overcome offensive blunders, poor shooting performances, and perhaps those buckets that just seem to spin out at the last second. Don't get me wrong, Valpo is by far the most talented team in the Horizon League, would the be 6-0 if they played a run-and-gun style of offense? Perhaps. The reason why they win games by 15-20 points is their defense.
Take a look at some of the other more successful HL teams. One in particular is Wright State. There's a reason why they always seem to finish in top of the HL. It certainly isn't because they're the most talented teams. This is a perfect example of the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. They play defense, which allows them to beat teams like Oakland and Detroit that may be more talented but certainly not better coached.
So if Oakland ever wants to succeed King Kampe's style of having 6 guys play the whole game, have one player take nothing but 3s, another one just throw-up shots left and right and hope they fall, will never work on a consistent basis. Period. End of story.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 20, 2016, 10:43:58 AM
If Oakland ever wants to truly compete year-in-year-out as being one of the top mid-majors in the country they need to get rid of King Kampe, or at least he really needs to retool his coaching style.
The lets see if we can outscore our opponent night-in-night-out is a recipe for mediocrity. Yes, they were able to appear in the tourney in a poor Summit League where that coaching style works. Yes, from time to time they can compete with the big boys in the B1G but by trying to put up 90 every night and not playing much defense the opposing team will more likely than not be able to put up 90 as well. Some nights you score 91 they get 85, some nights its the opposite. Which leads to a .500 record; which is what Oakland is. A mediocre team, more than capable of pulling off an upset but nonetheless still a mediocre team.
The reason why Valpo is so strong is their defense. One of the tops in the country, it allows you to overcome offensive blunders, poor shooting performances, and perhaps those buckets that just seem to spin out at the last second. Don't get me wrong, Valpo is by far the most talented team in the Horizon League, would the be 6-0 if they played a run-and-gun style of offense? Perhaps. The reason why they win games by 15-20 points is their defense.
Take a look at some of the other more successful HL teams. One in particular is Wright State. There's a reason why they always seem to finish in top of the HL. It certainly isn't because they're the most talented teams. This is a perfect example of the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. They play defense, which allows them to beat teams like Oakland and Detroit that may be more talented but certainly not better coached.
So if Oakland ever wants to succeed King Kampe's style of having 6 guys play the whole game, have one player take nothing but 3s, another one just throw-up shots left and right and hope they fall, will never work on a consistent basis. Period. End of story.
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Once again "King Kampe" proves he is the biggest "B S er" of the HL coaches. and nowhere near being the best coach. All of his talk about how his "team" was next to Valpo. Then getting whipped by NKU? Are you kidding me? Once again all he wants to talk, especially about his star, Felder. He thrives on having a superstar every year who plays nearly 40 minutes every game...Felder this year, Bader last year. He was grooming the Hooper kid to replace Bader but that hasn't worked out. By-the-way, has Hooper taken any 2 point shots yet this year? Up until a few games ago he had only taken 3 point attempts.
This year the HL has been a joke of sorts. We clearly are the cream of the crop and should to continue to dominate the League the rest of this season. Sometimes it reminds me of the Butler teams of a few years ago, especially the one who went undefeated in League play under Stevens, and ran roughshod over the League. GO VALPO!
The "King" loves to talk, Bryce likes to COACH. The results are most evident.
They hand Oakland 5 home games and a trip to Detroit to start the conference season and they head to the tougher part of their schedule 3-3...classic!!
IPFW's top scorer is not ineligible.
Terry Foster's insider story dateline today:
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012016aab.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012016aab.html)
Statistics through the NKU game
Hooper is 63 of 144 Field Goals...
Hooper is 63 of 144 3pt Field Goals
Felder is averaging 37.6 minutes per game.
Dorsey Walker is at 32.0 minutes per game
(Peters is at 30.2; Carter is at 28)
Quote from: talksalot on January 20, 2016, 03:42:33 PM
Terry Foster's insider story dateline today:
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012016aab.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012016aab.html)
Statistics through the NKU game
Hooper is 63 of 144 Field Goals...
Hooper is 63 of 144 3pt Field Goals
Felder is averaging 37.6 minutes per game.
Dorsey Walker is at 32.0 minutes per game
(Peters is at 30.2; Carter is at 28)
I've got to say, I really appreciate Terry's inside look into the Oakland locker room. It's not something that people outside the team get to see too often.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
IPFW's top scorer is not ineligible.
Not sure why this came out of nowhere, but your statement is incorrect, Mo Evans is the ineligible player because of academic issues. He has been the leading scorer for IPFW at 16.9 PPG up until the South Dakota State game. Max Landis is now the leading scorer at 16.5 PPG and he is shooting 49.3% from 3 point range. This could seriously hurt IPFW and VU if the loss of Evans affects the potential W's for this team.
Quote from: FWalum on January 20, 2016, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
IPFW's top scorer is not ineligible.
Not sure why this came out of nowhere, but your statement is incorrect, Mo Evans is the ineligible player because of academic issues. He has been the leading scorer for IPFW at 16.9 PPG up until the South Dakota State game. Max Landis is now the leading scorer at 16.5 PPG and he is shooting 49.3% from 3 point range. This could seriously hurt IPFW and VU if the loss of Evans affects the potential W's for this team.
I believe "now" autocorrected to "not"
Missouri State pulls out the win over Drake but Indiana State is going down to So. Illinois. I guess that's a push from our standpoint.
Wednesday 1/20
Missouri State (8-11) 79 Drake 70
Southern Illinois 79 Indiana State (10-9) 66
UCLA @ Oregon State - Beavers giving 2 points at home
Opponents go 1-1... but Valpo's RPI up to 25 at 9:25pm...
Watching Baylor... 5 second to... Bears up 2... and they foul on the inbounds and the Freshman from KState sinks 2 free throws to send the game to OT...a Baylor win, puts them along atop the B12.
Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2016, 09:08:47 PMMissouri State pulls out the win over Drake but Indiana State is going down to So. Illinois. I guess that's a push from our standpoint.
for the Grizz, Michigan State lost, but Georgia won... so that'll be a wash, and SIU's win (over Indiana State) also "helps" Oakland's RPI
Quote from: a3uge on January 20, 2016, 06:30:20 PMQuote from: FWalum on January 20, 2016, 05:45:26 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PMIPFW's top scorer is not ineligible.
Not sure why this came out of nowhere, but your statement is incorrect, Mo Evans is the ineligible player because of academic issues. He has been the leading scorer for IPFW at 16.9 PPG up until the South Dakota State game. Max Landis is now the leading scorer at 16.5 PPG and he is shooting 49.3% from 3 point range. This could seriously hurt IPFW and VU if the loss of Evans affects the potential W's for this team.
I believe "now" autocorrected to "not"
Yes, it was auto correct. I mentioned it because, like you said, IPFW may slip up thus hurting our rpi a little. They have been pretty good since we beat them at the beginning of the year.
Paying attention to opponents' opponents' results is pretty silly - each individual result has such a negligible impact on the OOWP number, given the huge number of games contained within that number. IMO.
Quote from: talksalot on January 20, 2016, 09:27:54 PM
Wednesday 1/20
Missouri State (8-11) 79 Drake 70
Southern Illinois 79 Indiana State (10-9) 66
UCLA @ Oregon State - Beavers giving 2 points at home
Opponents go 1-1... but Valpo's RPI up to 25 at 9:25pm...
Watching Baylor... 5 second to... Bears up 2... and they foul on the inbounds and the Freshman from KState sinks 2 free throws to send the game to OT...a Baylor win, puts them along atop the B12.
Baylor has some big dudes.
But yeah, that was a dumb mistake.
Knowing Valpo's luck, they'll draw an 11 seed and play Kentucky in Louisville.
Wednesday 1/20
Missouri State (8-11) 79 Drake 70
Southern Illinois 79 Indiana State (10-9) 66
UCLA 82 Oregon State (11-6) 73
Opponents go 1-2... but Valpo's RPI up to 25 at 9:25pm...and right back up to #27 at the end of the day...
Thursday 1/21
North Dakota State @ IPFW - Mastodons giving 1.5 points at home
Grand Canyon @ Chicago State - no line ... GC (RPI 100) is 16-2 on the season, on a 9-game winning streak
Southern Cal @ Oregon - Beavers giving 4.5 points at home
Belmont @ Tennessee-Martin - Skyhawks (RPI 211) getting 5.5 points at home - ESPNU 8PM Central
mid-Major watchers will stay up for the Gonzaga @ St. Marys (favored by 3.5) game on ESPNU at 10pm central
Quote from: talksalot on January 21, 2016, 08:06:15 AMGrand Canyon @ Chicago State - no line ... GC (RPI 100) is 16-2 on the season, on a 9-game winning streak
Grand Canyon will most likely find the big hole in Chicago State's game. Pun very much intended!
(The fact that GCU is located in Phoenix should have no bearing on whether you think of a big hole when referring to this university)
Quote from: bbtds on January 21, 2016, 08:40:54 AMGrand Canyon will most likely find the big hole in Chicago State's game.
Gee, I thought you were talking about the Budget hole that may exterminate the Cougars altogether !... this is too serious to make light of...preposition dangling.
http://progressillinois.com/news/content/2016/01/19/illinois-budget-impasse-impacting-higher-education-enrollment (http://progressillinois.com/news/content/2016/01/19/illinois-budget-impasse-impacting-higher-education-enrollment)
Quote from: talksalot on January 21, 2016, 08:06:15 AMmid-Major watchers will stay up for the Gonzaga @ St. Marys (favored by 3.5) game on ESPNU at 10pm central
A late tip, even for the west coast! TV schedule, I suppose.
St. Mary's favored by 3 or 3.5 at home, per Vegas. RPI Forecast likes them by 6, giving Gonzaga only a (traditional, for road teams, if not for Gonzaga?) 30% chance of winning.
Quote from: talksalot on January 21, 2016, 09:11:57 AM
Gee, I thought you were talking about the Budget hole that may exterminate the Cougars altogether !... this is too serious to make light of...preposition dangling.
http://progressillinois.com/news/content/2016/01/19/illinois-budget-impasse-impacting-higher-education-enrollment (http://progressillinois.com/news/content/2016/01/19/illinois-budget-impasse-impacting-higher-education-enrollment)
I've been hearing about this on the local news. Sounds very serious for Chicago State. Hard to know how much might be moderate political posturing, and how much might be a real chance of e.g. shutting down in March. If you really had to suspend classes, it would presumably have significant ripple effects for years.
Hard not to see it as tremendously irresponsible governing in the state of Illinois. It seems they've given up on one year's budget for the state, and are instead thinking about the next.
I opened a new thread "Off Topic" to follow this news story.
Thursday 1/21
Valpo RPI started the night at 27 Opponents go 3-1 on the night!
After IPFW won and Chicago State lost, the RPI is back to 25... slipped to 26... waiting for the Belmont and Oregon finals to post and re-calibrate on Nolan...... and it goes back to 25.
IPFW (16-5, 5-1) 79 North Dakota State 74 - nice win over the #134 Bison, IPFW RPI was 65 going into the game.... and 56 afterward.
Grand Canyon 90 Chicago State (4-18) 65; Cougar RPI is 336
Oregon (15-4) 89 USC 81... Oregon's RPI is 7
Belmont (14-6) 82 Tennessee-Martin 72... Bruin RPI was 92 before the game went final, now up to 88
Quote from: talksalot on January 20, 2016, 03:42:33 PM
Terry Foster's insider story dateline today:
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012016aab.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012016aab.html)
Talk about a tell-all article. Kampe obviously has a lot of self confidence to allow a reporter this level of access and freedom during what is obviously a very frustrating time for their players and coaches alike. It leaves me with kind of a strange feeling. It's like when someone bares their soul to you, the last thing you feel like doing is kicking them when they're down. I think I may need some counseling. ???
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 12:00:28 AMIt's like when someone bares their soul to you, the last thing you feel like doing is kicking them when they're down. I think I may need some counseling.
Once again let me recommend my esteemed colleague Dr. Quack.
Not that either is an opponent but I just watched the completed Gonzaga, St. Mary's game and am still convinced that we are slightly better than both. Yes Sabonis (Zags) would be a handful for Alec, Jubril, or Vashil but we would give them many matchup problems as well.
Quote from: justducky on January 22, 2016, 12:45:39 AM
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 12:00:28 AMIt's like when someone bares their soul to you, the last thing you feel like doing is kicking them when they're down. I think I may need some counseling.
Once again let me recommend my esteemed colleague Dr. Quack.
Not that either is an opponent but I just watched the completed Gonzaga, St. Mary's game and am still convinced that we are slightly better than both. Yes Sabonis (Zags) would be a handful for Alec, Jubril, or Vashil but we would give them many matchup problems as well.
I don't think any of Valpo's players would be that stupid to intentionally foul up 1 with 4 seconds left.
Friday 1/22
UIC @ Northern Kentucky... Norse (is?) are giving 12.
St.Peters @ Iona... in the battle for first place, the Gaels are giving 6.5 at home
Rhode Island @ George Washington... GW is giving 5 points
Note on the Rhody game:
WASHINGTON -- The George Washington men's basketball game vs. Rhode Island on Friday, Jan. 22nd has been moved to 5:00 pm. The game was originally scheduled to be played at 7:00 pm. Admission to the game will be free to all fans.
:thumbsup:
"We were informed today at 5:00 that due to the forecasted winter storm scheduled to hit the area tomorrow, ESPN would no longer be able to broadcast our game," said Director of Athletics and Recreation Patrick Nero. "On account of this news, we are going to move the game to 5:00 pm in order to facilitate easier travel to and from the game for our loyal fans." [note: the Washington DC Transportation District announced that all METRO service will stop running at 4pm. ESPN SportsCenter announcer this morning was "taking the Over" on the 23.5" of snow expected through tomorrow]
The game will also be streamed live on the Internet via RaiseHigh Live through GWsports.com.
Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 08:09:33 AM"On account of this news, we are going to move the game to 5:00 pm in order to facilitate easier travel to and from the game for our loyal fans." [note: the Washington DC Transportation District announced that all METRO service will stop running at 4pm. ESPN SportsCenter announcer this morning was "taking the Over" on the 23.5" of snow expected through tomorrow]
I guess Rhode Island doesn't have anywhere to be until Wednesday... Could still be a mild adventure getting back to the hotel.
Someone, maybe Paul Oren on the local radio program, was expressing concern about the weather as it might affect VU. Earlier in the week, I didn't see much of anything forecast for Dayton or Northern Kentucky. But, I've been hearing about ice warnings in KY, and now I see a winter storm warning for 3-6" overnight in Highland Heights, KY. Getting to Sunday's game could be interesting - when I lived in Kentucky in the 90's there wasn't much by way of snow removal equipment.
Saturday 1/23
Ball State @ Eastern Michigan
Oakland @ Green Bay
Utah Valley @ Chicago State
Detroit @ Milwaukee
UCLA @ Oregon
Tennessee State @ Belmont
IUPUI @ IPFW
(Nice of the HL to schedule the Valpo game to end before the NFL games kickoff)
Sunday 1/24
Youngstown State @ Cleveland State
UIC @ Wright State
USC @ Oregon State
Iona @ Fairfield
Southern Illinois @ Missouri State
Evansville @ Indiana State
Things in DC are still "Fluid"... Rhody's game moved AGAIN...
WASHINGTON -- The George Washington men's basketball game vs. Rhode Island on Friday, Jan. 22nd has been changed to 3:00 pm and will now be played as a double-header with the GW women's basketball vs. George Mason game which tips-off at 12:00 pm. Admission to the games will be free to all fans.
"With the earlier than forecasted arrival of the impending storm we are changing our game to 3:00 pm to allow for safe travel home from the game for our loyal fans and Rhode Island," said Director of Athletics and Recreation Patrick Nero.
The game will be streamed live on the Internet via RaiseHigh through GWsports.com. Originally set for a 7 pm tip, the game was moved up to 5:00 before the additional change to 3:00 was warranted due to the early arrival of snow.
Quote from: agibson on January 22, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 08:09:33 AM"On account of this news, we are going to move the game to 5:00 pm in order to facilitate easier travel to and from the game for our loyal fans." [note: the Washington DC Transportation District announced that all METRO service will stop running at 4pm. ESPN SportsCenter announcer this morning was "taking the Over" on the 23.5" of snow expected through tomorrow]
I guess Rhode Island doesn't have anywhere to be until Wednesday... Could still be a mild adventure getting back to the hotel.
Someone, maybe Paul Oren on the local radio program, was expressing concern about the weather as it might affect VU. Earlier in the week, I didn't see much of anything forecast for Dayton or Northern Kentucky. But, I've been hearing about ice warnings in KY, and now I see a winter storm warning for 3-6" overnight in Highland Heights, KY. Getting to Sunday's game could be interesting - when I lived in Kentucky in the 90's there wasn't much by way of snow removal equipment.
Been following the radar and it's possible the worst of the snow may go east of us. Still early though. We'll see what comes through tonight.
Here's the link for the URI-GW game
http://www.atlantic10.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=31600&mid=80213 (http://www.atlantic10.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=31600&mid=80213)
Friday 1/22 - and Valpo's RPI is back to 26... RPI is a mathematical .6146 which is a deadheat with Utah...THEN GW completes their comback, and Valpo's RPI is back to #27, .6137... which is still ahead of Purdue at .6106.. and after the WSU final, Valpo RPI drops to 33.
Northern Kentucky (7-11) 82 UIC (2-16) 69 OVERTIME ...tied at 65 with 12 seconds to play... Offensive foul on a drive to the basket for UIC, desperation heave off... going to OT. Torres, Whitaker and Odiase foul out in the OT period.... the Norse on a 2-game winning streak.
Iona (9-8) 64 St Peters 58...Gaels cover the spread and take over the MAAC
George Washington 62 Rhode Island (11-8) 58... after URI jumped out 30-14... and went steadily down hill from there.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 20, 2016, 08:34:13 AM
We need to be careful, it could happen to us.
This was a very prophetic response. Although we still haven't lost at home this season as OU has done 3 times already in conference.
Quote from: historyman on January 23, 2016, 04:28:06 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 20, 2016, 08:34:13 AM
We need to be careful, it could happen to us.
This was a very prophetic response. Although we still haven't lost at home this season as OU has done 3 times already in conference.
They lost at home to YSU and Northern Kentucky.
Valpo lost on the road to the team currently tied for first in conference.
Little different, but there was much freakout.
So the Valpo RPI has been up and down all weekend... at 35 as of 4pm with 4 games to go on our opponents scoreboard.
Saturday 1/23
Ball State (13-6) 88 Eastern Michigan 87 2OT
Oakland (12-8) 111 Green Bay (12-8)95
Utah Valley 82 Chicago State (4-19) 76
Milwaukee (14-6) 83 Detroit (9-9) 80
Oregon (16-4) 86 UCLA 72
Tennessee State @ Belmont - Moved to Sunday 4pm Central
IUPUI 84 IPFW (16-6) 82
Oakland - Green Bay Box Score: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160123_OAK@WISGB (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160123_OAK@WISGB)
Sunday 1/24
Youngstown State (8-13) 70 Cleveland State (7-14) 55
Wright State (13-8) 80 UIC(2-17) 66
USC @ Oregon State
Iona @ Fairfield
Southern Illinois @ Missouri State
Evansville @ Indiana State
Tennessee State @ Belmont
Plan your week....
Monday 1/25
Detroit @ Green Bay
Oakland @ Milwaukee
Tuesday 1/26
Ball State @ Buffalo
Wednesday 1/27
Fordham @ Rhode Island
Missouri State @ Indiana State
Thursday 1/28
Belmont @ Jacksonville State
Youngstown State @ UIC
IPFW @ Oral Roberts
Oregon State @ Arizona State
Oregon @ Arizona
Friday 1/29
Manhattan @ Iona
Wright State @ Oakland
Northern Kentucky @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Milwaukee
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2016, 03:57:30 PM
So the Valpo RPI has been up and down all weekend... at 35 as of 4pm with 4 games to go on our opponents scoreboard.
Saturday 1/23
Ball State (13-6) 88 Eastern Michigan 87 2OT
Oakland (12-8) 111 Green Bay (12-8)95
Utah Valley 82 Chicago State (4-19) 76
Milwaukee (14-6) 83 Detroit (9-9) 80
Oregon (16-4) 86 UCLA 72
Tennessee State @ Belmont - Moved to Sunday 4pm Central
IUPUI 84 IPFW (16-6) 82
Oakland - Green Bay Box Score: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160123_OAK@WISGB (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160123_OAK@WISGB)
Sunday 1/24
Youngstown State (8-13) 70 Cleveland State (7-14) 55
Wright State (13-8) 80 UIC(2-17) 66
USC @ Oregon State
Iona @ Fairfield
Southern Illinois @ Missouri State
Evansville @ Indiana State
Tennessee State @ Belmont
Oregon State beat No. 21 USC by 15. looks bad for Missouri State and good for Indiana State. Belmont with 15 point lead early in first. Gaels in trouble.
Sunday 1/24
Youngstown State (8-13) 70 Cleveland State (7-14) 55
Wright State (13-8) 80 UIC(2-17) 66
Oregon State (12-6) 85 USC 70
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460800/gary-payton-ii-put-on-a-dunk-contest-in-oregon-state-win-vs-no-21-usc (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460800/gary-payton-ii-put-on-a-dunk-contest-in-oregon-state-win-vs-no-21-usc)
Fairfield 98 Iona (10-9) 91
Southern Illinois 80 Missouri State (8-12) 65
Indiana State (10-9) 82 Evansville 65
Belmont (15-6) 103 Tennessee State 95
MONITORING VALPO RPI AS THESE LAST FEW GAMES COME IN...With Both Evansville and Southern Illinois having 17-3 records, and Tennessee State at 14-4 going in , this combined 48-10 record will help the OOWP component.
5:02PM RPI 34 .6029
5:07PM RPI 32 .6038 After the Missouri State game
5:16PM RPI 33 .6035
5:17pm:
Pitt 31 .6040
Michigan 32 .6037
Valpo 33 .6035
Notre Dame 34 .6023
6:13pm (No change)
Pitt 31 .6040
Michigan 32 .6037
Valpo 33 .6035
Notre Dame 34 .6023
6:15pm (after Belmont goes final)
Arizona 29 .6074
Valpo 30 .6048 ;D
George Washington 31 .6043
Pitt 32 .6041
Michigan 33 .6037
Notre Dame 34 .6024
More games to come that will impact our numeric value...
UT Martin (played Belmont) in OT vs SEMO (played Belmont and Missouri State)
Utah (played IPFW, Oregon and Oregon State) at Washington (played Oakland)
Syracuse at Virginia (Played Oakland)
SEMO beats UTMartin... and the RPI reflects this major impact game at 6:42pm:
Arizona 29 .6074
Valpo 30 .6049 :thumbsup:
George Washington 31 .6043
Pitt 32 .6041
Michigan 33 .6038
Notre Dame 34 .6024
and 8:15pm
Arizona 29 .6074
Valpo 30 .6049
George Washington 31 .6046 (Helped by Virginia and Cincinnati)
Michigan 33 .6037
Pitt 32 .6032
Notre Dame 34 .6026
with only Utah @ Washington to close out the weekend...9:30am Monday...after Utah beat Washington in OT.
Arizona 29 .6064 - fell a little on the Huskie loss and they haven't played Utah yet.
Valpo 30 .6049
George Washington 31 .6046 (Helped by Virginia and Cincinnati)
Michigan 33 .6037
Pitt 32 .6032
Notre Dame 34 .6026
Monday is another day! (you may quote me on that)
so... that little poll I had... final results... 6-5... but should it have been 5-6????
Here's the outcome of the outcome of the Ball State - Eastern Michigan game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460957/mac-suspends-two-refs-after-debacle-of-an-ending-in-ball-state-eastern-Michigan (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460957/mac-suspends-two-refs-after-debacle-of-an-ending-in-ball-state-eastern-Michigan)
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
so... that little poll I had... final results... 6-5... but should it have been 5-6????
Here's the outcome of the outcome of the Ball State - Eastern Michigan game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460957/mac-suspends-two-refs-after-debacle-of-an-ending-in-ball-state-eastern-Michigan (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460957/mac-suspends-two-refs-after-debacle-of-an-ending-in-ball-state-eastern-Michigan)
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Wow! Talk about swallowing their whistles. Do any of those referees work Horizon League games?
Pretty sure I saw something where those refs got suspended, not sure it was a real story or an onion type story. That was such a bizarre ending.
Monday 1/25
Detroit @ Green Bay... Titans, losers of 4 straight, 3-4 in conference. Phoenix favored by 3.5-Nolan with a 60% chance of winning; Vegas line has GB favored by 5.5 with an OU at 183.
Oakland @ Milwaukee. Grizz, tied with GB at 4-3 in conference, coming off that offensive display against GB on Saturday are not favored. Panthers (5-2) favored by 2.5 with a 58% chance of winning. Vegas Line as Panthers favored by 3.5; with the OU at 163.
Quote from: nkvu on January 24, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
so... that little poll I had... final results... 6-5... but should it have been 5-6? ???
Here's the outcome of the outcome of the Ball State - Eastern Michigan game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460957/mac-suspends-two-refs-after-debacle-of-an-ending-in-ball-state-eastern-Michigan (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25460957/mac-suspends-two-refs-after-debacle-of-an-ending-in-ball-state-eastern-Michigan)
Wow! Talk about swallowing their whistles. Do any of those referees work Horizon League games?
Todd Williams, John Gaston and Robert Kruger I wonder if someone could track if these guys work Horizon games?
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2016, 04:29:35 PMMonday 1/25
Detroit @ Green Bay
Oakland @ Milwaukee
In those uniforms Detroit's Jenkins looks like one of those blush brushes that women use on their cheeks.
At first GB got out to a 12 point lead but Detroit has whittled it down to a 6 point lead.
Detroit blocked 2 shots but the shot clock operator reset the shot clock and then GB drilled a three that shouldn't have counted but nobody on the Detroit bench even asked the ref why the shot clock was reset. Sheesh!
Monday 1/25
Green Bay (12-8) 94 Detroit (9-9) 91.... with 16 seconds left
Oakland (12-8) @ Milwaukee (14-6). Grizz up 1 at the half
Insane ending. Green Bay, up 4, fouls Detroit on a made three with 5 seconds left.
Since, Monday IS another day...
the 9:15pm RPI check in... before either HL game goes final
Arizona 28 .6080
South Carolina 29 .6080
Valpo 30 .6049
Michigan 33 .6045
George Washington 31 .6035
Pitt 32 .6031
Notre Dame 34 .6019
Quote from: a3uge on January 25, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Insane ending. Green Bay, up 4, fouls Detroit on a made three with 5 seconds left.
I fully expect Detroit to foul GB in the last 6 seconds.
EDIT: Okay, I was wrong. It goes to OT. 95-95.
Quote from: historyman on January 25, 2016, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: a3uge on January 25, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Insane ending. Green Bay, up 4, fouls Detroit on a made three with 5 seconds left.
I fully expect Detroit to foul GB in the last 6 seconds.
I said the same exact thing.
Quote from: a3uge on January 25, 2016, 09:12:49 PMInsane ending. Green Bay, up 4, fouls Detroit on a made three with 5 seconds left.
and he makes the FT... tied at 95... as the Titans have dropped 56 on the Phoenix in the second half ...going to OT
Detroit and GB are both trying to blow this game. GB up by 4. But Bass has fouled out. French Fish must go home.
Paris Bass is the least clutch player. Fouls out after another brutal late turnover.
Woof horrible OT play by Detroit.
Now onto Oakland UWM. Thankfully without the horrendous UWM announcers.
ok... who had 223 as the OU in that game?
Green Bay (13-8) 115 Detroit (9-10) 108
Switching over to the other game (ASN / Comcast Plus Channel 201 in Valpo Comcast)
Panthers 65 Grizz 64 with 7:20 to play
Felder... 17 points, 11 assists... and FOUR fouls with 4:26 to go...which is the "Under 4" media time out since King called a TO within 30 seconds of the 4:00 minute mark...
The on-line stats from OU are about 40 seconds ahead of the ESPN3 cast...
and "K" fouls out on a 3-point attempt by UWM's Lyle... first time all year Felder has not scored 20.
Hooper hits his 7th ( of 10 shots) 3 of the game... still has not taken a 2 point shot all year!
And Felder fouls out on a missed three. Some bad basketball tonight!
It's a three F game.Foolish Felder Fouls OUT!!!
Milwaukee missed the front end of a one and one. Then had a kick ball when there was 4 seconds left on the shot clock with 40 sec left.
Then Oakland gets a lane violation off a Milwaukee miss!
And then Oakland chucks the inbound pass out of bounds!
the 9:55pm RPI check in...
South Carolina 28 .6088
Arizona 29 .6081
Valpo 30 .6048
Michigan 33 .6046
George Washington 31 .6036
Pitt 32 .6024
Notre Dame 34 .6018
Max Hooper makes Kellan Dunham (sp?) look like a bush leaguer. The kid has yet to take two pointer. We will have our hands full with this kid for years to come. Oakland wins. I was hoping for a Milwaukee win to bury Oakland but not tonight.
I wouldn't jump to conclusions on the final score yet. Still 22.5 seconds remain, and the classic foul fest continues.
so... just the finals...
Green Bay (13-8) 115 Detroit (9-10) 108
Oakland (13-8) 82 Milwaukee (14-7) 79
Quote from: vu72 on January 25, 2016, 09:57:28 PMMax Hooper makes Kellan Dunham (sp?) look like a bush leaguer. The kid has yet to take two pointer. We will have our hands full with this kid for years to come. Oakland wins. I was hoping for a Milwaukee win to bury Oakland but not tonight.
Hooper is a Sr. You thought the last 3 pt specialist they had was a chucker...
Quote from: talksalot on January 25, 2016, 09:56:28 PMthe 9:55pm RPI check in... South Carolina 28 .6088Arizona 29 .6081 Valpo 30 .6048 Michigan 33 .6046George Washington 31 .6036Pitt 32 .6024Notre Dame 34 .6018
and the 10:10pm update... with all the finals in...
South Carolina 28 .6087
Arizona 29 .6081
Valpo 30 .6045
Michigan 31 .6045
G.Washington 32 .6036
Pitt 33 .6023
Notre Dame 34 .6010
Quote from: talksalot on January 25, 2016, 09:37:31 PMok... who had 223 as the OU in that game?
Shoot! I had the O/U at 219.
A week ago, Oakland would have buckled and lost that game. They found a way to win with Felder on the bench. That wouldn't have happened last week.
and here's closer look at all of the opponent games taking place today...
Ball State @ Buffalo
Cardinals: RPI 170, 12-6 record, only 2-4 on the road, coming off a 1-point win at Eastern Michigan
Bulls: RPI 134, 9-9, 5-2 at home, coming off a 20-point road loss at Western Michigan
Nolan: Cardinals are a 51% probability of winning, with a margin of .5
Vegas: Bulls favored by 3.5 ... OU is 139
Tuesday 1/26
Buffalo 76 Ball State (13-7) 64
and Ohio beats Toledo... which hurts 6 HL teams...
Wisconsin beat IU, that helps a couple of HL teams
So, here's the RPI range
Baylor 28 .6082
Arizona 29 .6079
Michigan 30 .6047
Valpo 31 .6032
G.Washington 32 .6030
Pitt 33 .6026
St Mary's 34 .5998
Notre Dame 35 .5991
Wednesday 1/27 -
Fordham @ Rhode Island - Rhody Favored by 10 at home, OU 133
TV: ASN, Comcast SportsNet-Plus (comcast Channel 201)
Missouri State @ Indiana State - Sycamores favored by 9 at home, OU 137.5 (ESPN3)
Wednesday 1/27 -
Rhode Island (12-8) 79 Fordham 63 - Rhody covers at home, and hits the OVER
Missouri State @ Indiana State (12-9) 68 Missouri State (8-13) 59... Sycamores push the spread and fail to hit the OU.
So... What did this do to the RPI?
South Carolina 26 .6086
Florida 27 .6086
Baylor 28 .6074 (before the OK State game final is posted)
Arizona 29 .6074
Valpo 30 .6039 - switched places with BLUE since yesterday
Michigan 31 .6013 (Dropped after beating #233 Rutgers)
St Mary's 32 .5998
Notre Dame 33 .5994
G.Washington 34 .5990
Quote from: talksalot on January 27, 2016, 09:16:22 PMMichigan 31 .6013 (Dropped after beating #233 Rutgers)
It seems Rutgers was a generally bad pick for the Big Ten although it did give the Big Ten Network a portion of the college sports market in the NY metropolitan area.
and the sun also rises after the rest of the west-coast games... and lookee here!
So... What did this do to the RPI?
South Carolina 26 .6092
Duke 27 .6087
Florida 28 .6076
VALPARAISO 29 .6039 :D :thumbsup:
Arizona 30 .6035
Michigan 31 .6004
G.Washington 32 .6000
St Mary's 33 .5992
Notre Dame 34 .5989
Baylor 28 .6074 (before the OK State game final is posted, but the Bears jumped all the way to 23rd after the win. Great coaching job by Scott!
Thursday 1/28
Belmont @ Jacksonville State - Belmont favored by 9.5 on the road in southern Alabama
Youngstown State @ UIC - Penguins are 4 point favorites.
IPFW @ Oral Roberts - MaBee... just MaBee IPFW can pull this off, ORU is favored by 2.5
Oregon State @ Arizona State... Sun Devils favored by 5.5 in Tempe
Oregon @ Arizona - ESPN2 8pm CT tip, Wildcats favored by 7.5 to extend their home count winning streak... which is now 49 straight!
CURRENT HOME WINNING STREAKS
1. Arizona 49 --- HOME TONIGHT AGAINST ARIZONA
2. Wichita State 42
3. Kansas 36
4. Kentucky 32
5. Maryland 24 ---HOME TONIGHT AGAINST IOWA (TERPS FAVORED BY 4)
5. South Dakota State 24 --- HOME TONIGHT AGAINST NEBRASKA-OMAHA (SDS FAVORED BY 7.5)
5. Stephen F. Austin 24
5. UAB 24
9. Valparaiso 22--- HOME TONIGHT AGAINST CLEVELAND STATE
10. Oregon 20
Quote from: talksalot on January 28, 2016, 08:38:33 AM
Thursday 1/28
Belmont @ Jacksonville State - Belmont favored by 9.5 on the road in southern Alabama
Youngstown State @ UIC - Penguins are 4 point favorites.
IPFW @ Oral Roberts - MaBee... just MaBee IPFW can pull this off, ORU is favored by 2.5
Oregon State @ Arizona State... Sun Devils favored by 5.5 in Tempe
Oregon @ Arizona - ESPN2 8pm CT tip, Wildcats favored by 7.5 to extend their home count winning streak... which is now 49 straight!
CURRENT HOME WINNING STREAKS
1. Arizona 49 --- HOME TONIGHT AGAINST OREGON
2. Wichita State 42
3. Kansas 36
4. Kentucky 32
5. Maryland 24 ---HOME TONIGHT AGAINST IOWA (TERPS FAVORED BY 4)
5. South Dakota State 24 --- HOME TONIGHT AGAINST NEBRASKA-OMAHA (SDS FAVORED BY 7.5)
5. Stephen F. Austin 24
5. UAB 24
9. Valparaiso 22--- HOME TONIGHT AGAINST CLEVELAND STATE
10. Oregon 20
Fixed it for you. ;D
You don't think Arizona will beat themselves???? Go Ducks!
(Thanks)
Well, hey, I take back what I said on the other thread. Oregon up six, probably at the under 4 media timeout. ESPN2?
And now up ten. Though their #23 just fouled out.
Best active home win streak, Arizona at 49 games, is going out the window.
Thursday 1/28 - Overall... a Good Night for the ol' RPI...
Belmont (16-6) 72 Jacksonville State 63
Youngstown State (9-13) 82 UIC (2-18) 78
IPFW (17-6) 68 Oral Roberts 63
Arizona State 86 Oregon State (12-7) 68
Oregon (17-4) 83 Arizona 75
Florida 26 .6087
South Carolina 27 .6081
Duke 28 .6077
VALPARAISO 29 .5999 :D :thumbsup:
Michigan 30 .5986
Texas Tech 31 .5976
St Josephs 32 .5975
Pittsburgh 33 .5975
St. Mary's 34 .5968
others recently listed:
Arizona 37 .5942
Notre Dame 39 .5923
G.Washington 49 .5824
CURRENT HOME WINNING STREAKS
1. Wichita State 42
2. Kansas 36
3. Kentucky 32
4. Maryland 25
4. South Dakota State 25
6. Stephen F. Austin 24
6. UAB 24
8. Valparaiso 23 :thumbsup:
9. Oregon 20
10. North Florida 17
10. Oklahoma 17
Defense - Points Allowed per Game:
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 59.2
2. Saint Mary's College 59.5
3. Louisville 60.0
4. San Diego State 60.2
5. Valparaiso 61.5 :thumbsup:
6. Villanova 61.6
7. Old Dominion 61.9
8. Wichita State 61.9
9. Virginia 61.9
10. Purdue 62.1
Time to plan your weekend viewing schedule...
Friday 1/29
Manhattan @ Iona
Wright State @ Oakland
Northern Kentucky @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Milwaukee
Saturday 1/30
Akron @ Ball State
Chicago State @ UMKC
Indiana State @ Loyola
Illinois State @ Missouri State
Cleveland State @ UIC
St. Joseph's @ Rhode Island
Belmont @ Tennessee Tech
Oregon State @ Arizona
Sunday, 1/31
Wright State @ Detroit
Western Illinois @ IPFW
Oregon @ Arizona State
Kind of weird scheduling by the HL. Travel partners WSU and NKU go to Michigan on Friday to play OU and UDM respectively. WSU stays in Detroit and plays UDM on Sunday, but NKU goes home and waits to play OU at home on Monday?
Quote from: talksalot on January 29, 2016, 06:42:00 AM
Thursday 1/28 - Overall... a Good Night for the ol' RPI...
Belmont (16-6) 72 Jacksonville State 63
Youngstown State (9-13) 82 UIC (2-18) 78
IPFW (17-6) 68 Oral Roberts 63
Arizona State 86 Oregon State (12-7) 68
Oregon (17-4) 83 Arizona 75
This is what OSU had to contend with at ASU -- Michael Phelps in a Speedo :o
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/michael-phelps-speedo-arizona-state-curtain-of-distraction-free-throw (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/michael-phelps-speedo-arizona-state-curtain-of-distraction-free-throw)
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 29, 2016, 08:44:03 AM
Kind of weird scheduling by the HL. Travel partners WSU and NKU go to Michigan on Friday to play OU and UDM respectively. WSU stays in Detroit and plays UDM on Sunday, but NKU goes home and waits to play OU at home on Monday?
I mentioned this scenario in another thread. There's not enough weekends in the season to use travel partners for the whole schedule, so some teams have to travel to the sane partner twice.
Quote from: a3uge on January 29, 2016, 09:15:39 AMsome teams have to travel to the sane partner twice.
although sometimes they are NOT sane.... like our one-off game against the Mighty CSU Vikings in the Vast Cavernous almost always packed with lots of seats Quicken Loans Center on Tuesday the 16th.
Watching Oakland vs. Wright St. How did we lose to WSU :'( Oakland trying something new, Kampe shaved wearing a suit jacket and team playing defense.
NKU just swept the Michigan trip. I thought Valpo sweeping Oakland and Detroit was good but NKU just completed the same accomplishment.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 29, 2016, 08:11:07 PM
NKU just swept the Michigan trip. I thought Valpo sweeping Oakland and Detroit was good but NKU just completed the same accomplishment.
But was it by a billion points like us!?
Bravo to NKU. I don't think anybody expected that to start the year.
Friday 1/29
Iona (11-9) 70 Manhattan 56
Wright State @ Oakland (14-8) 89 Wright State (13-9) 63
Northern Kentucky (8-12) 91 Detroit (9-11) 83
Milwaukee (15-7) 95 Green Bay (13-9) 94
SO HL Standings RPI
VALPARAISO 8 - 1 29
WRIGHT STA 7 - 2 150
MILWAUKEE 6 - 3 149
OAKLAND 6 - 3 136
GREEN BAY 5 - 4 155
YOUNG STA 4 - 5 220
NORTH KENT 4 - 5 249
DETROIT 3 - 6 243
CLEVE STATE 2 - 7 218
ILL-CHICAGO 0 - 9 350
And the With-in Range RPI:
Florida 26 .6087 NO CHANGE
Duke 27 .6083 UP 1 SPOT, .0006
South Carolina 28 .6081 NO CHANGE
VALPARAISO 29 ..6006 after the Oakland game, .6004 after Milwaukee
Michigan 30 .5995 UP .0009
St Josephs 31 .5979 UP 1 SPOT, .0004,
Texas Tech 32 .5976 NO CHANGE
Pittsburgh 33 .5966 DOWN .0009
Virgin Common. 34 .5961 ... moved up after 10-point win at Davidson
St. Mary's 35 .5960 DOWN 1 SPOT DOWN .0008
Quote from: talksalot on January 28, 2016, 08:38:33 AMYoungstown State @ UIC - Penguins are 4 point favorites.
Wow! I don't care who you are (ahem, take notice Lunardi) that was an impressive prediction. Final: YSU 82, UIC 78. Is that right? If your money was on YSU you lose because they didn't cover the spread the Penguins just matched it?
It's a push. Everyone gets their money back.
Saturday 1/30
Akron @ Ball State - Zips favored by 1
Chicago State @ UMKC - NO VEGAS LINE, Nolan Predictor has the Roos favored by 6
Indiana State @ Loyola - Sycs favored by 3
Illinois State @ Missouri State - is a "Pick-em Game"' Nolan Predictor has the Redbirds favored by .5
Cleveland State @ UIC - Vikes favored by 2.5
St. Joseph's @ Rhode Island - Rams favored by 2.5
Belmont @ Tennessee Tech - Bruins favored by 1
Oregon State @ Arizona - Cats favored by 12
Quote from: ValpoHoops on January 30, 2016, 07:01:15 AM
It's a push. Everyone gets their money back.
Had no idea. I never bet on sports. I guess we know who does? ;D
Saturday 1/30 - The Finals !
Akron 73 Ball State (13-9) 64 - knocking Valpo to #30 in the RPI, switching places with the Wolverines.
UMKC 78 Chicago State (4-20) 64 (but Bradley lost their 20th game a few minutes before Chicago State managed it)
Loyola 104 Indiana State (12-10) 96 2OT
Missouri State (9-13) 84 Illinois State 81 OT
UIC (3-18) 72 Cleveland State (7-16) 70 OT
St. Joseph's 64 Rhode Island (12-9) 55
Tennessee Tech 89 Belmont (16-7) 79
Arizona 80 Oregon State (12-8) 63
and the RPI checkup... not a lot of help from the opponents... and certainly playing the 'guins did nothing to help...
I have to shift the range a bit with the Crusaders slipping...
St Josephs 29 .6038
Michigan 30 .6035
Virgin Common. 31 .5992
Pittsburgh 32 .5975
VALPARAISO 33 .5973 with the Belmont and Oregon State games still undecided.
Monmouth 34 .5960
California 35 .5960
St. Mary's 36 .5954
Current Home Winning Streaks:
1. Wichita State 42 - WED FEB 3 - SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
2. Kansas 37 - WED FEB 3 - KANSAS STATE
3. Kentucky 32 - SAT FEB 6 FLORIDA
4. Maryland 25 FEB 6 - PURDUE
4. South Dakota State 25 - FEB 6 - IUPUI
6. Stephen F. Austin 24 - FEB 8 - NORTHWESTERN STATE
6. UAB 24 - FEB 4 - FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL
6. Valparaiso 24 - FEB 11 - NORTHERN KENTUCKY
Defense Points per game allowed
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 58.8 - THU FEB 4 - TROY STATE AT HOME
2. Saint Mary's College 59.5 - LATER TONIGHT @ PACIFIC
3. San Diego State 59.8 - TUE FEB 2- COLORADO STATE AT HOME
4. Louisville 60.2 - MON FEB 1 - NORTH CAROLINA AT HOME
5. Virginia 61.2 - WEB FEB 3 - BOSTON COLLEGE
6. Villanova 61.6 - TOMORROW - @ ST JOHNS
7. Valparaiso 61.8 SAT FEB 6 - @ UIC
8. Old Dominion 61.8 SAT FEB 6 - @ CHARLOTTE
9. Wichita State 61.9 TOMORROW - @ EVANSVILLE
10. Cincinnati 62.2 - THUR FEB 4 - SOUTH FLORIDA
AND WE JUMPED IN THE TOP-15 IN ANOTHER STAT !
1. Louisville +19.1
2. Saint Mary's College +19.1
3. Indiana +16.7
4. SMU +16.4
5. Purdue +16.4
6. West Virginia +16.3
7. Michigan State +15.8
8. North Carolina +15.5
9. Villanova +13.9
10. Arizona +13.8
11. Oklahoma +13.8
12. Duke +13.7
13. Texas A&M +13.5
14. Valparaiso +13.4
15. Gonzaga +13.2
How about this video. Talk about distracting a player during free throws! Phelps should go back to smoking pot.
Michael Phelps speedo tour during opponents free throws (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/michael-phelps-speedo-arizona-state-curtain-of-distraction-free-throw)
Posted that yesterday farther down in this thread.
and After Belmont lost...but before the Arizona State loss was posted... and again, I had to shift the "within range" grouping
Virgin Common. 31 .5991
Pittsburgh 32 .5976
California 33 .5972
Monmouth 34 .5961
VALPARAISO 35 .5957 Oregon State game still undecided.
St. Mary's 36 .5954
Notre Dame 37 .5946
Texas Tech 38 .5925
South Dakota State 39 .5913
so in 5 minutes we fell two more spots... darn those OSU Beavers!
we dropped two MORE spots... RPI is now at 37 and the SOS plummets to 157 !
the KEN POM defense ranking still has Valpo #1 slightly ahead of San Diego State.
Virgin Common. 31 .5991
Pittsburgh 32 .5976
California 33 .5966 down .0006
Monmouth 34 .5960 down .0001
Arizona 35 .5956
St. Mary's 36 .5954
VALPARAISO 37 .5949 down .0007
Notre Dame 38 .5946
Texas Tech 39 .5925
South Dakota State 40 .5913
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 29, 2016, 08:55:51 AM
This is what OSU had to contend with at ASU -- Michael Phelps in a Speedo :o
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/michael-phelps-speedo-arizona-state-curtain-of-distraction-free-throw (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/michael-phelps-speedo-arizona-state-curtain-of-distraction-free-throw)
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 30, 2016, 10:22:02 PM
Posted that yesterday farther down in this thread.
Ok, my apologies for missing your post.
slight change in the RPI after the west coast games finished...
Virginia Commonwealth 31 0.5991
Pittsburgh 32 0.5975
California 33 0.5975
Arizona 34 0.5970
Monmouth 35 0.5960
Valparaiso 36 0.5949
Notre Dame 37 0.5946
S Dakota State 38 0.5922
St Mary's College 39 0.5914
Texas Tech 40 0.5909
Your Week Ahead...
Sunday, 1/31
Wright State @ Detroit - Raiders favored by 3
Western Illinois @ IPFW - Dons favored by 12.5
Oregon @ Arizona State - Ducks favored by 6
Monday 2/1
Oakland @ Northern Kentucky
Iona @ St. Peters
Tuesday 2/2
Rhode Island @ UMass
Drake @ Indiana State
Ball State @ Bowling Green
Bradley @ Missouri State
Tuesday 2/2
Rhode Island @ UMass
Drake @ Indiana State
Ball State @ Bowling Green
Bradley @ Missouri State
Wednesday 2/3
No Games involving our opponents
Thursday 2/4
Green Bay @ Northern Kentucky
Milwaukee @ Wright State
Detroit @ Cleveland State
Oakland @ Youngstown State
Morehead State @ Belmont
IPFW @ South Dakota
Colorado @ Oregon
Chicago State @ Seattle
Utah @ Oregon State
Friday 2/5
Iona @ Canisius
Quote from: talksalot on January 31, 2016, 08:08:55 AM
Your Week Ahead...
Sunday, 1/31
Wright State @ Detroit - Raiders favored by 3
Western Illinois @ IPFW - Dons favored by 12.5
Oregon @ Arizona State - Ducks favored by 6
Monday 2/1
Oakland @ Northern Kentucky
Iona @ St. Peters
Tuesday 2/2
Rhode Island @ UMass
Drake @ Indiana State
Ball State @ Bowling Green
Bradley @ Missouri State
Tuesday 2/2
Rhode Island @ UMass
Drake @ Indiana State
Ball State @ Bowling Green
Bradley @ Missouri State
Wednesday 2/3
No Games involving our opponents
Thursday 2/4
Green Bay @ Northern Kentucky
Milwaukee @ Wright State
Detroit @ Cleveland State
Oakland @ Youngstown State
Morehead State @ Belmont
IPFW @ South Dakota
Colorado @ Oregon
Chicago State @ Seattle
Utah @ Oregon State
Friday 2/5
Iona @ Canisius
Actually, Detroit is favored by 3.
Good win today by Detroit despite Yoho returning to form after his injury last year. Looking forward to a win at home against WSU
Sunday, 1/31
Detroit (10-11) 75 Wright State (13-10) 68
IPFW (18-6) 88 Western Illinois 67
Oregon @ Arizona State - 7:30pm (CT) game time on ESPNU
Despite the Mastodon's win, we fell another 2 spots today...
Pittsburgh 0.5986 32
Virginia Commonwealth 0.5984 33
Arizona 0.5970 34
California 0.5968 35
Notre Dame 0.5966 36
Monmouth 0.5954 37
Valparaiso 0.5952 38... and the SOS is down to 156
South Dakota State 0.5921 39
Saint Mary's College 0.5913 40
Texas Tech 0.5901 41
AND ! We moved into the top 20 in D1 Game Winning Percentage...
1. SMU 95.0%
2. North Carolina 90.5%
2. Xavier 90.5%
4. Oklahoma 90.0%
4. South Carolina 90.0%
6. Arkansas-Little Rock 89.5%
6. Saint Mary's College 89.5%
8. Maryland 86.4%
9. Dayton 85.7%
9. Grand Canyon 85.7%
9. Saint Joseph's 85.7%
9. Texas A&M 85.7%
9. Villanova 85.7%
14. Chattanooga 84.2%
15. Purdue 82.6%
16. Hawaii 82.4%
17. Indiana 81.8%
17. Michigan State 81.8%
17. Providence 81.8%
20. Iowa 81.0%
20. Louisville 81.0%
20. UAB 81.0%
20. Valparaiso 81.0%
20. Virginia 81.0%
20. West Virginia 81.0%
OK, Fine, it's a 6-way tie for 20th... BUT... it's still 20th.
and an hour later... CAL loses to Colorado... and falls below us...and Monmouth dropped .0002 to be in a statistical tie with us. still a handful of games tonight, including the Ducks, who take on Arizona State, we have one common opponent with the Sun Devils.. they beat Belmont by 10.
Pittsburgh 0.5986 32
Virginia Commonwealth 0.5984 33
Notre Dame 0.5966 34
Arizona 0.5963 35
Monmouth 0.5952 36
Valparaiso 0.5952 37
California 0.5947 38
South Dakota State 0.5921 39
Saint Mary's College 0.5906 40
Texas Tech 0.5901 41
Sunday, 1/31
Detroit (10-11) 75 Wright State (13-10) 68
IPFW (18-6) 88 Western Illinois 67
Oregon (18-4) 91 Arizona State 74
and all of the games are over... so we end the month of January:
Wichita State 0.6001 32
Virginia Commonwealth 0.5987 33
Arizona 0.5959 34
Notre Dame 0.5957 35
Valparaiso 0.5953 36
Monmouth 0.5952 37
William & Mary 0.5947 38
California 0.5943 39
South Dakota State 0.5920 40
Saint Mary's College 0.5906 41
HOME COURT WINNING STREAKS:
1. Wichita State 42
2. Kansas 37
3. Kentucky 32
4. Maryland 25
4. South Dakota State 25
6. Stephen F. Austin 24
6. UAB 24
6. Valparaiso 24
Defense Points per game Allowed
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 58.8
2. San Diego State 59.8
3. Saint Mary's College 59.8
4. Louisville 60.2
5. Virginia 61.2
6. Villanova 61.2
7. Connecticut 61.4
8. Valparaiso 61.8
9. Old Dominion 61.8
WINNING PERCENTAGE
1. SMU 95.0%
2. North Carolina 90.5%
2. Xavier 90.5%
4. Oklahoma 90.0%
4. South Carolina 90.0%
6. Arkansas-Little Rock 89.5%
6. Saint Mary's College 89.5%
8. Maryland 86.4%
9. Dayton 85.7%
9. Grand Canyon 85.7%
9. Saint Joseph's 85.7%
9. Texas A&M 85.7%
9. Villanova 85.7%
14. Chattanooga 84.2%
15. Michigan State 82.6%
15. Purdue 82.6%
17. Hawaii 82.4%
18. Indiana 81.8%
18. Providence 81.8%
20. Iowa 81.0%
20. Louisville 81.0%
20. Oregon 81.0%
20. UAB 81.0%
20. Valparaiso 81.0%
20. Virginia 81.0%
20. West Virginia 81.0%
So far... it's been a great season...let's keep the pedal to the metal... one game at a time.
Quote from: talksalot on January 31, 2016, 10:17:22 PMDefense Points per game Allowed
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 58.8
2. San Diego State 59.8
3. Saint Mary's College 59.8
4. Louisville 60.2
5. Virginia 61.2
6. Villanova 61.2
7. Connecticut 61.4
I sure wouldn't want to see any of these defenses against the Crusader offense. Yikes! Rebounding is a huge component of these defenses, I presume.
I would love to play Arkansas-Little Rock. We would get the best of them 9 out of 10 times.
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
I sure wouldn't want to see any of these defenses against the Crusader offense. Yikes! Rebounding is a huge component of these defenses, I presume.
Let's take a look at their four factors via KenPom.
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 58.8 ppg - Forces Turnovers, limits FG%
Effective FG%: 44.0 (13th in nation)
Turnover %: 22.2 (15th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 31.1 (226th in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 37.7 (191st in the nation)
2. San Diego State 59.8 - Blocks shots (4th in the country in block %)
Effective FG%: 41.2 (2nd in nation)
Turnover %: 17.6 (219th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 28.7 (118th in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 30.2 (41st in the nation)
3. Saint Mary's College 59.8 - Limits FGs and second chances
Effective FG%: 46.3 (49th in nation)
Turnover %: 16.8 (276th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 23.2 (8th in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 26.3 (13th in the nation)
4. Louisville 60.2 - Field Goal % and slow possessions down (347th average possession length)
Effective FG%: 43.0 (6th in nation)
Turnover %: 21.6 (24th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 28.4 (106th in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 41.0 (264th in the nation)
5. Virginia 61.2 - Slooow (350th average possession length) and Limits second chance
Effective FG%: 49.5 (164th in nation)
Turnover %: 19.7 (93th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 25.3 (23rd in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 34.4 (125th in the nation)
6. Villanova 61.2 - Limits 2 FG% shooting and Turnovers
Effective FG%: 44.1 (14th in nation)
Turnover %: 21.2 (39th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 30.5 (195th in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 30.6 (49th in the nation)
7. Connecticut 61.4 They'll block you (3rd in the nation in Block %)
Effective FG%: 42.9 (5th in nation)
Turnover %: 18.5 (160th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 28.1 (100th in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 34.2 (115th in the nation)
Now think for a second what you think our defensive blueprint is and let's take a look at our 4 factors
8. Valpo 61.8 You don't get second chances and you can't score inside (3rd best 2P FG%)
Effective FG%: 43.4 (8th in nation)
Turnover %: 19.2 (125th in the nation)
Off. Reb. %: 22.1 (3rd in the nation)
FTA/FGA: 37.7 (189th in the nation)
We're 70th in block % and outside of Vashil we don't really get that many. We're 67th in steal %, and 99th in 3P FG%. It's the inside defense and rebounding that wins us games.
the UALR Trojans are stingy on defense!... granted their conference is weak (looking in mirror).
Points allowed to these OOC teams:
San Diego State - RPI 47 to 43
East Carolina - RPI 171 to 46
Tulsa - RPI 63 to 60 (Their only T100 win, 64-60)
DePaul - RPI 156 to 44
They've only given up 70+ twice, Arkansas State 76-63 in a loss and Texas State 77-74 in a win in Overtime (it was tied at 59 at end of regulation)
Rebounds you say?
REBOUNDS 734 739
Rebounds per game 35.0 35.2
Rebounding margin -0.2 -
Their Leading rebounder has 5.5/game (115 for 21 games)
BLOCKS 78 60
Blocks per game 3.7 2.9
Same stats for Valpo:
REBOUNDS 972 725
Rebounds per game 42.3 31.5
Rebounding margin +10.7 -
Valpo's Leading Rebounders:
Peters 180 total Rebounds 7.83/game
Fernandez 178 Rebounds 7.73/game
BLOCKS 93 84
Blocks per game 4.0 3.7
Monday 2/1
Oakland @ Northern Kentucky - Grizz favored by 6 on the road on CBSSports; by 4.5 on WarrenNolan RPI 141 @ 249
Vegas Insider saying that 61% of the money on this game is on the OVER of 158.5
Iona @ St. Peters - Gaels favored by 6 on the road against the Peacocks on CBSSports; by .5 on WarrenNolan. RPIs 179 @ 216
Vegas Insider saying that 85% of the money on this game is on the UNDER at 141.5
Quote from: talksalot on February 01, 2016, 04:05:00 PM
Monday 2/1
Oakland @ Northern Kentucky - Grizz favored by 6 on the road on CBSSports; by 4.5 on WarrenNolan RPI 141 @ 249
Vegas Insider saying that 61% of the money on this game is on the OVER of 158.5
Iona @ St. Peters - Gaels favored by 6 on the road against the Peacocks on CBSSports; by .5 on WarrenNolan. RPIs 179 @ 216
Vegas Insider saying that 85% of the money on this game is on the UNDER at 141.5
KenPom gives it this way:
Oakland 82-79 (61% chance of winning)
Iona 72-70 (55% chance of winning)
NKU knocks an 11 point lead down to 5 with two three pointers and two steals. 2:46 left in 1st half. Felder got the ball striped right out of his hands facing the basket and his defender.
The NKU pbp guy just called us ValparIso after getting the name correct the whole time Valpo was at NKU. I hate him now.
Monday 2/1
Iona (12-9) 75 St Peters 67
Oakland (15-8) Nirthern Kinticky (8-13) 74 (in response to the previous post)
Monmouth 0.6026 31 (jumped 7 spots)
Michigan .6021 32
Wichita State 0.6002 33
Virginia Commonwealth 0.5987 34
Notre Dame 0.5962 35
Arizona 0.5960 36
Valparaiso 0.5959 37
California 0.5946 38
William & Mary 0.5943 39
South Dakota State 0.5915 40
Texas Tech 0.5908 41
Saint Mary's College 0.5906 42
Louisville's win over UNC gave them a higher W/L % ... and knocked us out of the top 20.
we are still:
T6 - Longest home winning Streak (24)
#8 in Defense Pointed Per Game Allowed (61.8)
#14 in Margin of Victory (13.4)
For those enjoying the end of the Texas - Baylor game... the horns have no common opponents with us, Baylor did play Oregon earlier... Go Bears!
Our RPI has dropped a little and so has our votes in the AP and Coaches poll. You would think we lost a game or something. Nope just two 20 point wins and probably another on Saturday. We will not have a chance to play a decent rpi until WSU or possibly Oakland. To be honest, using the word decent is being generous. We need a top 100 win. They year Green Bay lost in the HL tournament and didn't make the March Madness they were rpi ranked in the 40's. I'm afraid we are heading that way if we don't beat Oakland or WSU in Detroit this March.
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2016, 07:39:48 PM
The NKU pbp guy just called us ValparIso after getting the name correct the whole time Valpo was at NKU. I hate him now.
Our game at NKU was on the American Sports Network. Different broadcast crew.
Quote from: vusupporter on February 02, 2016, 08:50:36 AMOur game at NKU was on the American Sports Network. Different broadcast crew.
Got it. I've watched games with that pbp guy, several actually, except I only spend about 5 to 10 minutes there and just associated that broadcast crew to the Valpo/NKU game. I knew it was the American Sports Network crew and the color guy was Jan Van Bretta Kolff that actually did the Valpo/NKU game.
Tuesday 2/2
Rhode Island (12-9) @ UMass (8-12) - Rams favored by 4.5 on Nolan and by 5 on VegasInsider, OU 144... with 100% of the money on the OVER
Drake (6-16) @ Indiana State (12-10) - Sycamores favored by 11 on Nolan and by 12 on Vegas Line, OU 146...
with 100% of the money on the UNDER
Ball State (13-8) @ Bowling Green (13-8) - Falcons favored by 3 on Nolan and 3.5 on VegasInsider, OU 134.5... with 100% of the money on the OVER.
Bradley (3-20) @ Missouri State (9-13) - Bears favored by 14.5 on Nolan and VegasInsider, OU is only 122... with 97% of the money on the Over.
It's 6:00am....Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today ..."put your little hand in mine..."....
Tuesday 2/2
Rhode Island (12-9) @ UMass (8-12) - Rams favored by 4.5 on Nolan and by 5 on VegasInsider, OU 144... with 100% of the money on the OVER
Drake (6-16) @ Indiana State (12-10) - Sycamores favored by 11 on Nolan and by 12 on Vegas Line, OU 146...
with 100% of the money on the UNDER
Ball State (13-8) @ Bowling Green (13-8) - Falcons favored by 3 on Nolan and 3.5 on VegasInsider, OU 134.5... with 100% of the money on the OVER.
Bradley (3-20) @ Missouri State (9-13) - Bears favored by 14.5 on Nolan and VegasInsider, OU is only 122... with 97% of the money on the Over.
Tuesday 2/2 - our opponents go 3-1 on the night... only Rhody letting us down.
Rhode Island (12-9) @ UMass 61 Rhode Island (12-10) 56 OT
OU 144... with 100% of the money on the OVER... folks lost money on that one!
Indiana State (13-10) 63 Drake 56
OU 146...with 100% of the money on the UNDER... and they made money here!
Ball State (14-8) 72 Bowling Green 64 ,
OU 134.5... with 100% of the money on the OVER.... and they covered it...at 136!
Missouri State (10-13) 77 Bradley 71
OU 122... with 97% of the money on the Over.... and they covered it at 148
and with a couple of games outstanding... here's the RPI... "Movin' on up!"; Michigan is trailing the Hoosiers by 24 with 6 to play...so the wolverines will fall...IU's RPI is 50. With Northern Kentucky and Youngstown State both having played UM, that will also hurt us.
Michigan 0.6008 31
South Carolina 0.6004 32
Wichita State 0.5998 33
Virginia Common 0.5997 34
Valparaiso 0.5965 35
Notre Dame 0.5962 36
Arizona 0.5961 37
California 0.5958 38
William & Mary 0.5953 39
no long home streaks ended, no stingy defenses passed us, and our margin of victory is still intact.
BOING ! Like I just posted....things changed with the Hoosiers thumping the Wolverines...in 15 minutes:
South Carolina 0.6004 31
Wichita State 0.5998 32
Virginia Common 0.5997 33
Arizona 0.5968 34
Valparaiso 0.5964 35 for about 3 minutes we were tied with ND...then Duke went final and they fell a tad.
Notre Dame 0.5961 36
California 0.5953 37
William & Mary .5953 38
Florida State 0.5935 39
Indiana 0.5922 40 Jumped 10 spots from 50
Michigan 0.5918 41 Fell 10 spots from 31
Just to bring this back from an earlier post...
Wednesday 2/3
No Games involving our opponents
so... come back tomorrow night as we follow all of the games... and there are a lot of 'em! Perhaps you can use this night to prepare you sample tray of munchies for tomorrow night, in anticipation of the super bowl on Sunday.
No, Valpo's opponents did not play... but other teams did...
Wichita State 0.5986 31
Virginia Common 0.5972 32
Notre Dame 0.5966 33
Valparaiso 0.5963 34 our raw number fell .0001 but we picked up a spot
Arizona 0.5957 35
William & Mary 0.5943 36
California 0.5942 37
Florida State 0.5938 38
Saint Joseph's 0.5930 39
the above was 9:18pm
the below was 9:23pm
Pittsburgh 0.5988 30
Wichita State 0.5981 31
Virginia Common 0.5972 32
Valparaiso 0.5963 33
Notre Dame 0.5961 34 The Irish dropped .0005 and we slid past them...
Arizona 0.5957 35
William & Mary 0.5943 36
California 0.5942 37
Florida State 0.5938 38
Saint Joseph's 0.5934 39
and under the heading... but what have you done for me lately... despite the 25 point drubbing IU put on Blue yesterday...
Michigan 0.5915 40 Wolverines are 16-6
Indiana 0.5911 43 Hoosiers are 19-4
Minor shifting around the RPI 30s range after the west coast games went final...
Providence 0.6005 30
Pittsburgh 0.5987 31
Virginia Common 0.5972 32
Arizona 0.5966 33
Valparaiso 0.5961 34
Notre Dame 0.5960 35
William & Mary 0.5943 36
California 0.5937 37
Florida State 0.5936 38
Saint Joseph's 0.5934 39
Wichita State 27, Monmouth 28 for the MidMajor fans...
Michigan 43 and Indiana 45 for the B1G fans...
UIC... 349 as Florida A&M takes over at #350! and they are only .0001 behind Prairie View A&M for #348! The Flame RPI should go up on Saturday playing us.
Thursday 2/4... lots of action today... Nolan and Vegas odds.
Green Bay @ Northern Kentucky - Nolan has the Phoenix with a 56% chance of winning and a 2 point favorite; Vegas GB -3, OU 162.5
Milwaukee @ Wright State - Nolan has the Panthers with a 51% chance of winning and a .5 point favorite; Vegas WSU -1.5, OU 135.5
Detroit @ Cleveland State - Nolan has the Titans with a 51% chance of winning and a 2.5 point favorite; Vegas UDM -2, OU 150
Oakland @ Youngstown State - Nolan has the Grizz with a 65% chance of winning and a 5.5 point favorite; Vegas OAK -11 OU 175
Morehead State @ Belmont - Nolan has the Bruins with a 65% chance of winning and a 5.0 point favorite; Vegas BEL -8 OU 152
IPFW @ South Dakota - Nolan has the Mastodons with a 68% chance of winning and a 6.0 point favorite; Vegas SODAK -2 OU 155
Colorado @ Oregon - Nolan has the Ducks with a 65% chance of winning and a 5.0 point favorite; Vegas ORE -10 OU 153
Chicago State @ Seattle - Nolan has the Redhawks with a 78% chance of winning and an 11 point favorite; Vegas has no line
Utah @ Oregon State - Nolan has the Utes with a 73% chance of winning and an 8.5 point favorite; Vegas UTA -3.5 OU 140.5
If you haven't already done so... you can show our predictions for the HL games this weekend on this thread... (shameless plug)
OK, another chance to put your vote where your mouth is...HL games this week
Green Bay (14-9) 85 Northern Kentucky (8-14) 78... Covered the OU by .5 ! projected OU 162.5
Wright State (14-10) 84 Milwaukee (15-8) 83... blew out the OU project at 135.5
Detroit (11-11) 71 Cleveland State (7-17) 63 ... way under the OU projected at 150
Oakland (16-8) 107 Youngstown State (9-15) 85... way over the projected OU 175
Belmont (17-7) 73 Morehead State 67 well under the projected OU of 152
IPFW (19-6) 95 South Dakota 82 .. way over the projected OU at 155
So Far a pretty good night for the ol' opponents... but the RPI has risen numerically, but stayed at #34
Pittsburgh 0.5987 32
Virginia Common 0.5979 33
Valparaiso 0.5969 34
Arizona 0.5964 35
Notre Dame 0.5957 36
Colorado @ Oregon (19-4) 76 Colorado 56 ... not close to the projected OU of 153
Valpo is up .0011 from last night's final, still at #34
0.5972 34 after the Oregon game finished.
.... and there are still these games going on:
Chicago State @ Seattle - Nolan has the Redhawks with a 78% chance of winning and an 11 point favorite; Vegas has no line - [REDHAWKS UP 8 AT THE HALF)
Utah @ Oregon State - Nolan has the Utes with a 73% chance of winning and an 8.5 point favorite; Vegas UTA -3.5 OU 140.5 [TIP OFF AT 10PM CENTRAL]
BYU beat St. Mary's
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 04, 2016, 10:04:37 PMBYU beat St. Mary's
Ranked 45 and 47 respectively...but nice to see the Gaels... will probably move us "permanently" behind the Shockers in the MMT25 ranking...
and since BYU also beat Belmont earlier, helps out the ol' OOWP.
Oregon State fouled on a 3 with 2.2 left up by 2. Horrendous call. Brutal.
And omg Oregon State got fouled on a half court shot!
The foul occurred at 0.2 seconds left, but the ref didn't get his arm up...
Okay 3 free throws...
And he hits them all!
Oregon State wins - crazy game... Everyone should watch the last 2 min on espn3.
Oregon State Beats the Utes! That should help us some.
Green Bay (14-9) 85 Northern Kentucky (8-14) 78... Covered the OU by .5 ! projected OU 162.5
Wright State (14-10) 84 Milwaukee (15-8) 83... blew out the OU project at 135.5
Detroit (11-11) 71 Cleveland State (7-17) 63 ... way under the OU projected at 150
Oakland (16-8) 107 Youngstown State (9-15) 85... way over the projected OU 175
Belmont (17-7) 73 Morehead State 67 well under the projected OU of 152
IPFW (19-6) 95 South Dakota 82 .. way over the projected OU at 155
So Far a pretty good night for the ol' opponents... but the RPI has risen numerically, but stayed at #34
Pittsburgh 0.5987 32
Virginia Common 0.5979 33
Valparaiso 0.5969 34
Arizona 0.5964 35
Notre Dame 0.5957 36
Oregon (19-4) 76 Colorado 56 ... not close to the projected OU of 153
Valpo is up .0011 from last night's final, still at #34
0.5972 34 after the Oregon game finished.
and these west-coast games...
Seattle 59 Chicago State (4-21) 56
Oregon State (13-8) 71 Utah 69 ... I watched the play on SportsCenter this morning, and it looked like a good call to me... stupid mistake by the Utah guy...
and it did help the RPI... just a little bit mathematically, and not enough to catch VCU...the SOS climbed to 145
William & Mary 0.5992 30
Pittsburgh 0.5987 31
South Carolina 0.5984 32
Virginia Common 0.5979 33
Valparaiso 0.5976 34
Arizona 0.5963 35
Notre Dame 0.5957 36
Saint Joseph's 0.5938 37
Florida State 0.5927 38
South Dakota State 0.5911 39
and your weekend planner...
Friday 2/5
Iona (12-9) @ Canisius. Gaels giving 2.5, OU 164.5
Saturday 2/6
Missouri State @ Evansville
Western Michigan @ Ball State
Oakland @ Cleveland State
IPFW @ North Dakota State
Milwaukee @ Northern Kentucky
Green Bay @ Wright State
Detroit @ Youngstown State
Indiana State @ Bradley
Rhode Island @ LaSalle
Chicago State @ Cal State Bakersfield
Sunday 2/7
Iona @ Niagara
Utah @ Oregon
and No Opponent games on Monday 2/8... so you can enjoy the Louisville game @ Cameron Indoor
Quote from: FWalum on February 05, 2016, 12:14:32 AM
Oregon State Beats the Utes! That should help us some.
It's be dandy if they could go on a bit of a run, and finish top 50 in the RPI. This win didn't quite do it. Maybe top half of the PAC12? Probably too much to ask.
Quote from: agibson on February 05, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 05, 2016, 12:14:32 AM
Oregon State Beats the Utes! That should help us some.
It's be dandy if they could go on a bit of a run, and finish top 50 in the RPI. This win didn't quite do it. Maybe top half of the PAC12? Probably too much to ask.
Maybe not as hopeless as you might think. The Jarmal Reid suspension hurt them more than his numbers might indicate. Not only did they lose the game to the Utes in which he tripped the ref (they were only down 1 when Jarmal thought he was fouled, fell to the floor and then tripped the ref only scoring 1 point in the remaining 2:56), but they lost 3 of 4 while he was suspended. The announcers last night thought his return had given them a boost.
Quote from: FWalum on February 05, 2016, 05:04:16 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 05, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 05, 2016, 12:14:32 AM
Oregon State Beats the Utes! That should help us some.
It's be dandy if they could go on a bit of a run, and finish top 50 in the RPI. This win didn't quite do it. Maybe top half of the PAC12? Probably too much to ask.
Maybe not as hopeless as you might think. The Jarmal Reid suspension hurt them more than his numbers might indicate. Not only did they lose the game to the Utes in which he tripped the ref (they were only down 1 when Jarmal thought he was fouled, fell to the floor and then tripped the ref only scoring 1 point in the remaining 2:56), but they lost 3 of 4 while he was suspended. The announcers last night thought his return had given them a boost.
Reid was almost the goat again. It was his hand that brushed the 3 point shooters arm that gave Utah the 3 free throws to put them ahead. Oregon St and Reid were lucky but that is the kind of luck that can sometimes build momentum and completely change the course of future events. Confidence builds confidence (it compounds) and might yet salvage the Oregon St season.
Quote from: talksalot on February 05, 2016, 08:06:46 AMand No Opponent games on Monday 2/8... so you can enjoy the Louisville game @ Cameron Indoor
If the Cardinals are down by two with 5 seconds left will they shoot for two or Trey Lewis-ville? ouch! :-[
Friday 2/5
Iona (13-9) 84 Canisius 66
and the morning after RPI "looking good"...but take a good long look at this...our next two games are against RPI #348 and #266...
Monmouth 19-5 0.6031 28
Providence 18-5 0.6014 29
William & Mary 14-6 0.5986 30
South Carolina 18-3 0.5984 31
Valparaiso 17-4 0.5981 32
Virginia Comm 17-5 0.5979 33
Pittsburgh 16-4 0.5976 34
Arizona 18-5 0.5964 35
Notre Dame 15-7 0.5958 36
Saturday 2/6 - with the Vegas Insider tidbits about the games
Missouri State @ Evansville - Aces are giving 13.5 with the OU at 141. 100% of the betting is on Evansville; Year to date, MoST is 11-4 on the road against the spread; Evansville is on 2-5 at home against the spread; but there are 12-1 at home straight up. Over the last 10 games. The Bears are 3-1 on the road. The Aces are 3-1 at home.
Here's how the line has shifted on this game in the past 24 hours:
02/05 11:25am EVAN-15 -108 SWMO+15 -108
02/06 7:40am EVAN-13.5 -110 SWMO+13.5 -110 140 -110 140 -110
Western Michigan @ Ball State - Cardinals are giving 5 with the OU at 138.5. 89% of the betting is on BSU. Against the spread, the Bronchos are 2-4 on the road, BSU is 3-5. Overall, WMU has not won a road game all year (0-9), BSU is 10-3 at home.
Line movements in the past 24 hours:
02/05 11:25am BALL-6 -108 WMICH+6 -108
02/06 5:25am BALL-5 -110 WMICH+5 -110 138.5 -110 138.5 -110
Oakland @ Cleveland State - Grizz giving 9 with the OU at 146. 94% of the money is on OAK. Year to date, OAK is 20-1 against the spread, CSU is 7-14. OAK's last 5 games, they have scored: 107, 85, 89, 82, 111.
Line Movements:
02/05 11:25am OAKLND-9 -108 CLEVST+9 -108
02/06 8:00am OAKLND-9 -110 CLEVST+9 -110 OAKLND-4.5
The last line has an additional wager... people betting on the HALF TIME score!
IPFW @ North Dakota State - Mastodons are getting 3 with the OU at 143.5. Fort Wayne is receiving 55% of the bets!... they are 23-2 against the spread on the road this year. NDState is 3-8 at home against the spread. Straight up, FW is 10-4 on the road, NDSU is 10-1 at home. on 1/21, FW beat NDSU 79-74 in Indiana.
Line Movements:
02/05 4:00pm NDAKST-3 -105 IFW+3 -115
02/06 5:50am NDAKST-3 -110 IFW+3 -110 143.5 -110 143.5 -110
Milwaukee @ Northern Kentucky - Panthers are giving 5, with the OU at 144 and 100% of the money is on UWM. The panthers are 18-3 against the spread on the road, Norse are 2-7 at home. UWM won the opener on 1/4 76-67 in Wisconsin.
Lots of interest in this game on the Vegas Insider...
02/05 11:25am WISCMI-2 -108 NKTY+2 -108
02/05 12:05pm WISCMI-2.5 -103 NKTY+2.5 -113
02/05 3:50pm WISCMI-4.5 -110 NKTY+4.5 -110
02/06 8:10am WISCMI-5 -110 NKTY+5 -110 and a half-time line: WISCMI-2.5
Green Bay @ Wright State - Raiders giving 3.5 points, with the OU at 155.5. 88% of the money is on Wright State who is 12-2 at home this year, GB is 7-7 on the road. GB won the first meeting 76-68 in Wisconsin.
02/05 11:25am WRIGST-3 -108 WISCGB+3 -108
02/06 8:15am WRIGST-3.5 -110 WISCGB+3.5 -110 Half-time line: WRIGST-2.0
Detroit @ Youngstown State - UDM is giving 5 with the OU at 176.5 and 100% of the money is on the Titans. UDM is 1-8 on the road, Guins are 4-6 at home. UDM won the first matchup 96-87 in Michigan.
02/05 12:05pm DETMER-1 -108 YOUNG+1 -108
02/05 3:50pm DETMER-4 -105 YOUNG+4 -115
02/06 8:10am DETMER-5 -110 YOUNG+5 -110 Halftime: DETMER-2.5
Indiana State @ Bradley - Sycamores giving 12 and an OU of 126.5 and 100% of the money is on ISU. ISU is 4-7 on the road, Braves are 2-12 at home. This is the first matchup of the year, ISU has won the last 4 times these two have met, and 8 of the last 10.
02/05 11:25am INDIST-11 -108 BRAD+11 -108
02/05 3:50pm INDIST-12.5 -110 BRAD+12.5 -110
02/06 8:30am INDIST-12 -110 BRAD+12 -110 Half-time line: INDIST-6.5
Rhode Island @ LaSalle - HAS NO LINE. Rams are 12-10 (1-7 away) overall, LaSalle is 5-15. (4-7 at home). Rhody won the first meeting 73-62 at home.
Chicago State @ Cal State Bakersfield - Also has no line. Cougars are 4-21 (0-14 on the road) and Bakersfield is 16-7 (10-1 at home)
Man I wish I could have gotten UWM at -2. Bovada doesn't offer lines on CBB that day in advance of a game
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Missouri State @ Evansville - Aces are giving 13.5 with the OU at 141.
Evansville 83 Missouri State (10-14) 64... covered the OU by 6
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
Oakland is ranked #1 in points per D1 games this year at 87.0
with 2:41 to play at the Wolstein Center, they have 58... CSU has 52
Oakland (17-8) 67 Cleveland State (7-18) 57 Felder 13 pts, 11 assists 5 rebs.
Cleveland State played them close the whole way.
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2016, 01:50:09 PMOakland is ranked #1 in points per D1 games this year at 87.0with 2:41 to play at the Wolstein Center, they have 58... CSU has 52
AND their ppg average did fall... but they are still at the top:
1. Oakland 86.2
2. Oklahoma 85.8
3. The Citadel 85.7
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
2:10PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 After the OAK-CSU game
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
2:10PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 After the OAK-CSU game
2:42PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 With 2:17 to play in the Ball State-WMU game
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
2:10PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 After the OAK-CSU game
2:42PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 With 2:17 to play in the Ball State-WMU game
5:01PM Valpo's RPI 31 0.5981 SPS 138 Before the UIC Final is posted on Nolan
Ball State (15-8) 75 Western Michigan 71 (OT) - does not cover the spread, but beats the OU with the overtime period
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
2:10PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 After the OAK-CSU game
2:42PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 With 2:17 to play in the Ball State-WMU game
5:01PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5981 SOS 138 Before the UIC Final is posted on Nolan... numerical tie with Providence
Boing! and there you have it... the impact of playing a #348 team...
31-38
Providence Notre Dame Florida State Arizona William & Mary George Washington California Chattanooga
39 Syracuse 0.5899
40 Valparaiso 0.5897 and the SOS is 169
41 St Bonaventure 0.5895
42 Indiana 0.5894
43 Seton Hall 0.5892
44 Virginia Com 0.5891
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
2:10PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 After the OAK-CSU game
2:42PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 With 2:17 to play in the Ball State-WMU game
5:01PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5981 SOS 138
5:09PM Valpo's RPI 40 0.5897 SOS 169 :o
1:40PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5977 SOS 143
2:10PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 After the OAK-CSU game
2:42PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5978 SOS 142 With 2:17 to play in the Ball State-WMU game
5:01PM Valpo's RPI 32 0.5981 SOS 138
5:09PM Valpo's RPI 40 0.5897 SOS 169 :o
5:50PM Valpo's RPI 43 0.5890 SOS 172 after the IPFW shellacking by No Dak St
surrounded by:
San Diego State 0.5894 41
Virginia Com 0.5892 42
Valparaiso 0.5890 43
Syracuse 0.5889 44
Seton Hall 0.5889 45
Valpo's RPI is now 49. The only question remaining is will we drop out of the top 50 by the end of the night. If we win all the rest of our games, we might - repeat might - get back to 31 where we started the day.
We just went to 50. Will anyone say 51?
Northern Kentucky (8-15) 75 Milwaukee (15-9) 71 a homecoming win for the Norse!
Quote from: wh on February 06, 2016, 07:40:42 PMWe just went to 50. Will anyone say 51?
I think we finished last year with a RPI of 56? That was with a 10 times weaker OOC schedule. Last I looked our predicted ending RPI has stabilized at 42 from 29 yesterday? Is there no end in sight?
Quote from: wh on February 06, 2016, 07:16:34 PMValpo's RPI is now 49
Yeh, that's happen with Eastern KY beats Belmont by 10... that's a two-loss hit for us.
Wright State (15-10) 75Green Bay (14-10) 60
Detroit (12-11) 94 Youngstown State (9-16) 92
to bring it together ....
Saturday 2/6
Evansville 83 Missouri State 64 0-1
Ball State 75 Western Michigan 71 OT 1-1
Oakland 69 Cleveland State 57
Eastern Kentucky 88 Belmont 78 1-3 (two losses since we played them twice)
North Dakota State 62 IPFW 46 1-4
Northern Kentucky 75 Milwaukee 71
Wright State 79 Green Bay 60
Detroit 94 Youngstown State 92
Indiana State @ Bradley - just underway in Peoria
Rhode Island @ LaSalle - tied at 29 at the half
Chicago State @ Cal State Bakersfield
Colorado @ Oregon State
with 103 of 153 games in the books, KenPom still has us at the #1 Defensive team; #24 overall.
RPI protects the big 5 at the cost of all else! :( house Rules
YSU counts for one as well if you're counting that way, since we've played them twice already.
And that's why the hand-wringing over the RPI drops the past two games is somewhat silly. It's not as if the season ends today, it just so happens that our first two games the second time around have been against teams that are 7-16 and 1-19 against D-I opposition. And will probably drop further, since our next game is NKU (7-14 D-I record). Our schedule is back-loaded with the better records, and it'll all balance out then. As long as we keep winning of course...
on the strength of the Toledo win over Kent State, we have slowed the skid... back to 49 (Toledo has played 5 HL teams this year, versus Kent only played 2)
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2016, 07:53:04 PM
Northern Kentucky (8-15) 75 Milwaukee (15-9) 71 a homecoming win for the Norse!
The Panthers sure got knocked off their high Norse. What that looks like.
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Saturday 2/6
Evansville 83 Missouri State 64 0-1
Ball State 75 Western Michigan 71 OT 1-1
Oakland 69 Cleveland State 57
Eastern Kentucky 88 Belmont 78 1-3 (two losses since we played them twice)
North Dakota State 62 IPFW 46 1-4
Northern Kentucky 75 Milwaukee 71
Wright State 79 Green Bay 60
Detroit 94 Youngstown State 92
Bradley 63 Indiana State (13-10) 58
Rhode Island (13-10) 79 LaSalle 62
Cal State Bakersfield 71 Chicago State (4-22) 48
Oregon State (14-8) 60 Colorado 56
and the Morning after RPI:
41 Virginia Com 17-6 0.5904 SOS 65
42 Oregon State 13-8 0.5900 SOS 9
43 San Diego St 16-6 0.5899 SOS 57
44 Pittsburgh 16-5 0.5898 SOS 59
45 St Bonaventure 14-6 0.5895 SOS 73
46 South Dak St 17-5 0.5884 SOS 152
47 Valparaiso 18-4 0.5874 SOS 180
48 Syracuse 16-8 0.5872 SOS 37
49 Davidson 12-8 0.5870 SOS 34
50 Akron 18-4 0.5867 SOS 168
51 Saint Mary's 18-3 0.5867 SOS 187
Current Home Winning Streak: T7 with Stephen F Austin @ 24
Defense Points per game allowed: #8 at 61.5 slightly ahead of Wichita State, also rounded to 61.5
Scoring Margin: #11 at 13.6, slightly behind Arizona, also rounded to 13.6
Overall won-loss percentage in D1 - (listed alphabetically)
20. Akron 81.8%
20. Iowa 81.8%
20. Kansas 81.8%
20. Oregon 81.8%
20. Valparaiso 81.8%
Ken Pom Adjusted Defense: #1, numerical tie with UConn, Overall #23
The Week Ahead...
Sunday 2/7
Iona @ Niagara
Utah @ Oregon
Monday 2/8 - No games involving the opposition
Tuesday 2/9
Ohio @ Ball State
George Mason @ Rhode Island
Wednesday 2/10
Southern Illinois @ Indiana State
Missouri State @ Northern Iowa
Jacksonville State @ Belmont
Thursday 2/11
Milwaukee @ Oakland
Green Bay @ Detroit
Wright State @ UIC
Oregon @ California
Oregon State @ Stanford
Friday 2/12
Dayton @ Rhode Island
Saturday 2/13
Belmont @ Morehead State
Siena @ Iona
Milwaukee @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Oakland
Indiana State @ Missouri State
New Mexico State @ Chicago State
Northern Kentucky @ UIC
Oregon @ Stanford
Ball State @ Central Michigan
Oregon State @ California
Denver @ IPFW
Cleveland State @ Youngstown
Got a case of the RPI blues? I know I do! The number of losses of AP 20-receiving votes cheered me up. Chance for a top 25 rating tomorrow afternoon although I still think we are a week away.
20 - UK L@Tenn
21 - Wichita St L@Illinois St
22 - IU L@Penn St
23 - Arizona
24 - Dayton
25 - S Carolina L@Georgia
26 - St Mary's L@BYU
27 - USC
28 - Utah L@Oregon St
29 - VCU L George Washington
30 - ND
31 - UM L MSU
32 - Valpo
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 07, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
Got a case of the RPI blues? I know I do! The number of losses of AP 20-receiving votes cheered me up. Chance for a top 25 rating tomorrow afternoon although I still think we are a week away.
20 - UK L@Tenn
21 - Wichita St L@Illinois St
22 - IU L@Penn St
23 - Arizona
24 - Dayton
25 - S Carolina L@Georgia
26 - St Mary's L@BYU
27 - USC
28 - Utah L@Oregon St
29 - VCU L George Washington
30 - ND
31 - UM L MSU
32 - Valpo
Posted something similar over on the ESPN Bubble Watch Thread.
Would like to also add:
18- Purdue with a loss to Maryland
15- Baylor with losses to Texas and West Virginia
11- Providence with losses to DePaul and Villanova
8- Texas A&M with losses to Vanderbilt and South Carolina (Not saying that they would drop out, but I suspect they drop quite a bit...)
Also very curious what happens with Louisville, I think they would stay with SMU in the AP poll but I bet they are withdrawn from the Coaches/USA Today poll.
In addition, I do think that Duke and Texas will pass us in both polls as they both won two games and have the name recognition, RPI, SOS, etc. So that is a bit discouraging...
But I agree and think that it is still a week or two away from the Top 25, if we take care of business. Winning two this week including a revenge win over WSU will appeal to voters but I think that the following week, beating CSU, OU, and UDM would be even more crucial to our Top 25 hopes. We would have clinched the HL title, raised our RPI, and won 9 in a row, if we are 5-0 in that stretch. 25-4 just sounds awesome and is really our last chance to get into the Top 25 before the tourney. But, let's just keep this one game at a time and continue to hope for weeks like this where the fringe teams keep falling... Beat Northern Kentucky!
Sunday 2/7 - may be a day to help the RPI...
Iona @ Niagara - tip off is 1pm central - Gaels favored by 10.5 - OU 145.5, Gaels won by 13 at month ago at home
Utah @ Oregon - tip off is 3pm central - Ducks favored by 6 - OU 145 - Ducks won by 18 on Jan 14 in Utah
Quote from: justducky on February 06, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on February 06, 2016, 07:40:42 PMWe just went to 50. Will anyone say 51?
I think we finished last year with a RPI of 56? That was with a 10 times weaker OOC schedule. Last I looked our predicted ending RPI has stabilized at 42 from 29 yesterday? Is there no end in sight?
We now sit with a Warren Nolen predicted regular season ending RPI of 43. This is down 14 spots in 24 hours after a road win. They thought we would have a 16-2 conference record on Friday and that is unchanged as of this morning (Sun). From this information is it safe to assume that their projected numbers have no numerical formulation value and should be considered as fly by night seat of their pants? I am looking for some kind of logical explanation but losses by Indiana St, Belmont, and IPFW shouldn't come anywhere close to explaining this. :o Help me out! I am in a state of befuddlement!
so, I went to warren Nolan, and clicked on the W# column... and found the two teams in the country with one win.
RPI calc Rank
Chicago State 1-22 0.3713 345 SOS 193 < Oakland, Green Bay and Ball State on their schedule
Illinois-Chicago 1-19 0.3573 348 SOS 244
There is only one team in the country with 21 losses
Bradley 3-21 0.4249 295 SOS 103 < Ball State, Missouri State (2) and Indiana State (2)
Iona's up 20 at the half in Lewiston against the Purple Eagles...a win puts them 1/2 game behind Monmouth.
Quote from: justducky on February 07, 2016, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 06, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on February 06, 2016, 07:40:42 PMWe just went to 50. Will anyone say 51?
I think we finished last year with a RPI of 56? That was with a 10 times weaker OOC schedule. Last I looked our predicted ending RPI has stabilized at 42 from 29 yesterday? Is there no end in sight?
We now sit with a Warren Nolen predicted regular season ending RPI of 43. This is down 14 spots in 24 hours after a road win. They thought we would have a 16-2 conference record on Friday and that is unchanged as of this morning (Sun). From this information is it safe to assume that their projected numbers have no numerical formulation value and should be considered as fly by night seat of their pants? I am looking for some kind of logical explanation but losses by Indiana St, Belmont, and IPFW shouldn't come anywhere close to explaining this. :o Help me out! I am in a state of befuddlement!
See the bee flys through the air and lands on the flower. Then it just magically happens.
Sunday 2/7 - may be a day to help the RPI...
Iona (14-9) 75 Niagara 61
Utah @ Oregon - just tipping off
Interesting note about the Iona game... the Team Bus left directly from their hotel this morning for the 6+hour road trip back to New Rochelle...the team is flying back to NY on a scheduled flight 90-minutes after their game ended... it's a 40 minute ride to the airport. No time for Showers!
so... who wants to be on that flight?
that game did help the RPI...
South Dakota St 0.5884 45
Valparaiso 0.5877 46
Syracuse 0.5872 47
Sunday 2/7 - a day that did help the RPI
Iona (14-9) 75 Niagara 61
Oregon (20-4) 76 Utah 66
South Dakota State 0.5883 45
Valparaiso 0.5879 46
Syracuse 0.5871 47
and that's the end of the weekend for college basketball...
there's some stupid football game taking recedence
Quote from: bbtds on February 07, 2016, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 07, 2016, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 06, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on February 06, 2016, 07:40:42 PMWe just went to 50. Will anyone say 51?
I think we finished last year with a RPI of 56? That was with a 10 times weaker OOC schedule. Last I looked our predicted ending RPI has stabilized at 42 from 29 yesterday? Is there no end in sight?
We now sit with a Warren Nolen predicted regular season ending RPI of 43. This is down 14 spots in 24 hours after a road win. They thought we would have a 16-2 conference record on Friday and that is unchanged as of this morning (Sun). From this information is it safe to assume that their projected numbers have no numerical formulation value and should be considered as fly by night seat of their pants? I am looking for some kind of logical explanation but losses by Indiana St, Belmont, and IPFW shouldn't come anywhere close to explaining this. :o Help me out! I am in a state of befuddlement!
See the bee flys through the air and lands on the flower. Then it just magically happens.
Ok. Good to know! The dots are connected. You are suggesting that my question's answer has more to do with bee colony collapse syndrome (neo-nicotinoid herbicide related) and less to do with any precise mathematical logic. Thanks for the help.
Closer look at the two opponent games slated for tonight...
Tuesday 2/9
Ohio @ Ball State - Ball State favored by 1.5 on Nolan, 2.5 on VegasLine, OU is 142.5. Bobcats are 9-5 away from home, Cardinals are 6-3 at home. Bobcats won the first match-up a month ago today 79-73 on their home court... and they have won the last 6 meetings between the two.
Points in the paint-BSU 28,OHIO 34. Points off turnovers-BSU 10,OHIO 16.
2nd chance points-BSU 5,OHIO 17. Fast break points-BSU 2,OHIO 4.
Bench points-BSU 19,OHIO 14. Score tied-9 times. Lead changed-9 times.
Last FG-BSU 2nd-00:20, OHIO 2nd-00:06.
Largest lead-BSU by 8 1st-01:36, OHIO by 10 2nd-08:12.
BSU led for 08:41. OHIO led for 27:59. Game was tied for 03:20.
Officials: Kyle Ingram, Bret Wegenke, Jeff Spedoske <<all three are HL refs we've had in the ARC recently
Technical fouls: Ball State-None. Ohio-None.
Attendance: 6703 (half-of the 13,000 capacity of the Convocation Center)
by almost 3:1, the largest crowd BSU has faced all year... oh, one exception... their season opener at Bradley drew 6553.
George Mason @ Rhode Island - Rhody favored by 8 on Nolan and by 13.5 on the Vegasline; with an OU of 132.5. GM is 3-8 away from home (8-15 overall)... Rhody is 11-3 at home (13-10 overall). 100% of the money is on Rhody. Half-time line is 7.5. This is their only meeting this year. Dayton beat George Mason on Saturday by 34... and the Flyers are next for Rhody.
Quote from: justducky on February 06, 2016, 07:56:23 PMI think we finished last year with a RPI of 56? That was with a 10 times weaker OOC schedule. Last I looked our predicted ending RPI has stabilized at 42 from 29 yesterday? Is there no end in sight?
This is WarrenNolan? Another reason not to trust his predicted RPI? It's not like anything really changed on the day of the UIC game. Everyone "knew" we were going to win it, and certainly knew we were going to play.
RPI Forecast has been stable for a while (our Sagarin PREDICTOR's probably settled down, etc.) at around37 end of season. 28 if we win out.
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2016, 01:50:09 PMOakland is ranked #1 in points per D1 games this year at 87.0with 2:41 to play at the Wolstein Center, they have 58... CSU has 52
AND their ppg average did fall... but they are still at the top:
1. Oakland 86.2
2. Oklahoma 85.8
3. The Citadel 85.7
Don't look now, but they're T3 in the country with a 6 game road win streak. Shame about those three losses at home.
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2016, 01:50:09 PMOakland is ranked #1 in points per D1 games this year at 87.0with 2:41 to play at the Wolstein Center, they have 58... CSU has 52
AND their ppg average did fall... but they are still at the top:
1. Oakland 86.2
2. Oklahoma 85.8
3. The Citadel 85.7
Don't look now, but they're T3 in the country with a 6 game road win streak. Shame about those three losses at home.
Yes, but it's against the Horizon League...........oh, wait!
Tuesday 2/9
Ohio 72 Ball State (15-9) 69 Cardinals did not get off a shot with the ball and 14 seconds to go...
Rhode Island 81 George Mason 63 Covered the spread and the OU !
Still have some games out...with one-up and one-down...
Kansas State 0.5884 43
South Dakota State 0.5883 44
Akron 0.5880 45
Pittsburgh 0.5878 46
Valparaiso 0.5876 47 ... Since Sunday, down .0001 and dropped a spot to Pitt
Connecticut 0.5872 48
Syracuse 0.5868 49
Saint Mary's College 0.5860 50
Quote from: HailVU2014 on February 07, 2016, 09:44:49 AMBut I agree and think that it is still a week or two away from the Top 25, if we take care of business. Winning two this week including a revenge win over WSU will appeal to voters but I think that the following week, beating CSU, OU, and UDM would be even more crucial to our Top 25 hopes. We would have clinched the HL title, raised our RPI, and won 9 in a row, if we are 5-0 in that stretch. 25-4 just sounds awesome and is really our last chance to get into the Top 25 before the tourney.
This sounds more like it.
Maybe two dozen points after this week.
Maybe #26 or so after next week.
Maybe #24 or #25 after a Wisconsin road sweep, or _maybe_ after a neat run through two games of the league tournament. (Though I guess there's no Monday for voting between the league tournament and selection Sunday).
I think there's every chance we could still be ranked if we keep winning. But certainly no guarantee... (At least not until after the run to the Sweet Sixteen... or beyond.)
We can dream, right?
Could be an interesting night for our opponents...
Wednesday 2/10
Southern Illinois @ Indiana State (ESPN3 6pm Central) - Nolan says: Salukis are favored by 1 with a 53% "are you sure" ranking; VegasLine is Sycamores by 4 ! SIU is 9-2 on the road; Sycamores are 9-4 at home Jan 20th, SIU won 79-66 at home in their first game; but they lost their last game at home to Loyola by 14.... so... Toss Up
Missouri State @ Northern Iowa (ESPN3 at 7pm Central) - Nolan says: Panthers are favored by 4.5 with a 64% "are you sure" ranking. Vegas says Panthers by 12.5. UNI is 9-4 at home, MoSt is 4-6 on the road. 100% of the money is on UNI. MoSt won the first game of this series at home 59-58.
Jacksonville State @ Belmont - Nolan says: Bruins win by 11 with a 78% "are you sure" ranking. Vegas has Belmont favored by 17.5. Bruins are 9-1 at home JState is 2-9 on the road. 65% of the money is on JState to be within the spread-line. The line opened at 14 yesterday. Belmont (17-8, 9-2 OVC) dropped an 88-78 decision to Eastern Kentucky Feb. 6, snapping the Bruins' NCAA-best streak of 35 consecutive conference home victories. The Bruins are tied atop the OVC standings with five conference games remaining. Belmont is vying for a third OVC regular season championship in four years. Tip-off is set for 7:30 p.m. CT from the Curb Event Center. The game will be broadcast on OVC Digital Network. The live play-by-play of Voice of the Bruins Kevin Ingram can be heard on the Bruin Sports Network and 104.5 The Zone.
so... if the prognosticators are correct... we have one sure win, one sure loss and one 2close2call
Wednesday 2/10 - ... I'll get by with a little help from our friends... but not sure we have any.... 1-2 on the night...
Southern Illinois 85 Indiana State (13-12) 78
Northern Iowa 83 Missouri State (10-15) 69
Belmont (18-8) 81 Jacksonville State 73
RPI ... just after the Belmont game went final, before Baylor's win over KState... then just after it went final...and then after the Utah/Wash final.. Tulsa SMU and Missouri/Vandy went final at the same time...hard to tell when they updated from which games...interesting to see the subtle swing. At 10:04 we were tied with UConn... and we went up .0001... into a tie with Akron.
9:25pm 9:32pm 10:04pm 10:08pm
San Diego State 0.5897 39 0.5900 39
Oregon State 0.5894 40 0.5900 40
Pittsburgh 0.5889 41
Virginia Comm 0.5883 42 0.5884 42
Akron 0.5874 43 0.5873 43
Valparaiso 0.5873 44 0.5872 44 0.5873 44
Connecticut 0.5872 45
Syracuse 0.5867 46 0.5866 46
Saint Mary's College 0.5860 47 0.5861 47
Kansas State 0.5860 48 0.5776 59 0.5776 58 0.5775 58
Oregon now #1 in RPI.
Think about this for a second. We took the number 1 team in RPI to the wire, at their house!
I simply don't have the time to do the research. How did we do on the Oregon road trip (Oregon/Oregon St.) compared to all of the other PAC12 teams this year? Would be interesting to see how we compare in wins and margin of victory/defeat compared everyone else who had to make the trip as well.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 11, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
I simply don't have the time to do the research. How did we do on the Oregon road trip (Oregon/Oregon St.) compared to all of the other PAC12 teams this year? Would be interesting to see how we compare in wins and margin of victory/defeat compared everyone else who had to make the trip as well.
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OK, we lost to Oregon by 6 and beat Oregon State by 6
Cal lost to Oregon by 3 and lost to OSU by 6
Stanford lost to Oregon by 13 and beat OSU by 6
USC lost to Oregon by 7 and lost to OSU by 15
UCLA lost to Oregon by 14 and beat OSU by 9
Colorado lost to Oregon by 20 and lost to OSU by 4
Utah lost to Oregon by 10 and lost to OSU by 2.
Based simply on score, we did better at Oregon than Stanford, USC, UCLA, Colorado and Utah. Worse than Cal.
At OSU we did better than Cal, USC, Colorado and Utah. Tied with Stanford and worse than UCLA.
On balance, covering both games, we did better than Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Colorado and Utah. (All of them!) ;D
Six Pac-12 teams have completed the Oregon/Oregon State road trip so far (not all will play it because of the unbalanced scheduling). Of those teams, both UCLA and Stanford did what we did - lost to Oregon, but beat Oregon State. USC, Utah, Colorado and Cal all lost both ends of the road trip.
Heck with the MVC, let's move to the PAC-12. Wait, we're not FBS. Shoot :(
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 11, 2016, 09:18:04 AM
Heck with the MVC, let's move to the PAC-12. Wait, we're not FBS. Shoot :(
Eh, we could move to FBS. Wouldn't the Pac-12 like the Chicago market for their TV Network? We can be the Rutgers of Pac-12 football. Maybe one year in the distant future we can watch Valpo play in the Costco Military Appreciation Bowl!
RPI ... just after the Belmont game went final, before Baylor's win over KState... then just after it went final...and then after the Utah/Wash final.. Tulsa SMU and Missouri/Vandy went final at the same time...hard to tell when they updated from which games...interesting to see the subtle swing. At 10:04 we were tied with UConn... and we went up .0001... into a tie with Akron.
9:25pm 9:32pm 10:04pm 10:08pm 9:40AM
San Diego State 0.5897 39 0.5900 39 0.5875 44
Oregon State 0.5894 40 0.5900 40 0.5903 38
Tulsa 0.5884 41 ... not in this pool yesterday
Pittsburgh 0.5889 41 0.5889 40
Virginia Comm 0.5883 42 0.5884 42 0.5883 42
Akron 0.5874 43 0.5873 43 0.5873 46
Valparaiso 0.5873 44 0.5872 44 0.5873 44 0.5873 45
Connecticut 0.5872 45 0.5876 43
Texas Tech 0.5873 47 ... not in this pool yesterday
Syracuse 0.5867 46 0.5866 46 0.5867 48
Saint Mary's College 0.5860 47 0.5861 47 0.5861 49
Kansas State 0.5860 48 0.5776 59 0.5776 58 0.5775 58 0.5773 59
Thursday 2/11
Milwaukee @ Oakland - 6PM tip Central Nolan: Grizz favored by 5.5 with an OU at 168. Vegas: Grizz by 6, OU 166.5. Oak is 7-4 at home and Panthers are 9-5 on the road. 100% of the money is taking Milwaukee and the points.
Green Bay @ Detroit - 6PM tip Central Nolan: Titans favored by 2, OU 186. Vegas agrees with nolan on spread and OU. Titans are 10-3 at home and Phoenix are 7-8 on the road. 100% of the money is on Detroit giving the points.
Wright State @ UIC - 7PM tip Central Nolan: Raiders by 12.5, OU 136. Vegas agrees on the spread, OU is 135. Raiders are 2-8 on the road, UIC is 3-8 at home. 74% of the money is on the Raiders giving the points.
Oregon @ California - 9PM tip Central (ESPN2) Nolan: Ducks by 1, OU 146. Vegas agrees on spread, OU 144.5. Ducks are 5-4 on the road, Bears are 14-1 at home. Ducks are getting 55% of the action giving the point.
Oregon State @ Stanford - 10PM tip Central (FoxSports1) Nolan: Cardinal favored by 1.5, OU 137. Vegas has Stanford giving 2, OU 137. 70% of the gamblers are putting their money on Stanford giving the points.
Valpo (11-0) , Louisiana-Lafayette (10-0) and St. Marys (15-0) are the only teams playing at home tonight who have not lost at home this year.
Quote from: vu72 on February 11, 2016, 08:23:58 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 11, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
I simply don't have the time to do the research. How did we do on the Oregon road trip (Oregon/Oregon St.) compared to all of the other PAC12 teams this year? Would be interesting to see how we compare in wins and margin of victory/defeat compared everyone else who had to make the trip as well.
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OK, we lost to Oregon by 6 and beat Oregon State by 6
Cal lost to Oregon by 3 and lost to OSU by 6
Stanford lost to Oregon by 13 and beat OSU by 6
USC lost to Oregon by 7 and lost to OSU by 15
UCLA lost to Oregon by 14 and beat OSU by 9
Colorado lost to Oregon by 20 and lost to OSU by 4
Utah lost to Oregon by 10 and lost to OSU by 2.
Based simply on score, we did better at Oregon than Stanford, USC, UCLA, Colorado and Utah. Worse than Cal.
At OSU we did better than Cal, USC, Colorado and Utah. Tied with Stanford and worse than UCLA.
On balance, covering both games, we did better than Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Colorado and Utah. (All of them!) ;D
I think it's also important to note that we really destroyed Oregon State for 36 min and kind of just ran out the clock at the end. Don't know if that counts for anything, but the final score was closer than what the game seemed.
So UIC nips Wright State at the Pavilion.
I was kind of hoping Wright State would win, so someone who feels differently should explain the error in my thinking.
I'm not concerned with Valpo winning the conference. Even before tonight, I thought we were a pretty good bet to finish #1. I'm more concerned about Oakland snagging the #2 seed, because they'll get the double-bye (they'll need it with their style and the way Kampe keeps his players on the floor) AND play in front of a partisan crowd in Detroit (if their fans dare venture south of 8 Mile). Thus, I'd rather see Wright State finish second, even though they beat us in Dayton.
Coming into tonight, I believe WSU and OAK were tied in the standings. Milwaukee beat Oakland at the Orena, but Wright St. lost, so they're still tied when WSU had a golden opportunity to take a 1 game lead, even though they should get beat Saturday ;)
Plus, I can't see WSU playing like that two games in a row. We're going to get an inspired performance from them this weekend.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 11, 2016, 09:12:42 PM
So UIC nips Wright State at the Pavilion.
I was kind of hoping Wright State would win, so someone who feels differently should explain the error in my thinking.
I'm not concerned with Valpo winning the conference. Even before tonight, I thought we were a pretty good bet to finish #1. I'm more concerned about Oakland snagging the #2 seed, because they'll get the double-bye (they'll need it with their style and the way Kampe keeps his players on the floor) AND play in front of a partisan crowd in Detroit (if their fans dare venture south of 8 Mile). Thus, I'd rather see Wright State finish second, even though they beat us in Dayton.
Coming into tonight, I believe WSU and OAK were tied in the standings. Milwaukee beat Oakland at the Orena, but Wright St. lost, so they're still tied when WSU had a golden opportunity to take a 1 game lead, even though they should get beat Saturday ;)
Plus, I can't see WSU playing like that two games in a row. We're going to get an inspired performance from them this weekend.
Comptemplating the a triple tie for second. What happens if all things are equal (split wins against each other), then what?
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 11, 2016, 09:12:42 PMComing into tonight, I believe WSU and OAK were tied in the standings. Milwaukee beat Oakland at the Orena, but Wright St. lost, so they're still tied when WSU had a golden opportunity to take a 1 game lead, even though they should get beat Saturday
Plus, I can't see WSU playing like that two games in a row. We're going to get an inspired performance from them this weekend.
We need a full game from the Crusaders that is for sure. If we hit another dry spell where we can't hit one shot and every lay up rolls off the rim or bangs off the front of the rim like we did in tonight's second half we are in for a long night against the Raiders.
Quote from: frontrowfan on February 11, 2016, 09:27:41 PMComptemplating the a triple tie for second. What happens if all things are equal (split wins against each other), then what?
Then each team that finished second will be judged for their record against the first place team, in this case Valpo. Wright State has the leg up so far on Oakland because they have the one win against Valpo.
Quote from: bbtds on February 11, 2016, 09:34:05 PMQuote from: frontrowfan on February 11, 2016, 09:27:41 PMComptemplating the a triple tie for second. What happens if all things are equal (split wins against each other), then what?
Then each team that finished second will be judged for their record against the first place team, in this case Valpo. Wright State has the leg up so far on Oakland because they have the one win against Valpo.
I believe that's correct. As of last year, the tiebreakers were:
1. head to head
2. best record against the highest non-tied HL team
3. RPI
Ironically, the silver lining here is if we win out (fingers crossed) and Oakland and WSU tie, WSU will win the tiebreaker because they beat us, and Oakland will have gone 0-2 against us.
Milwaukee (16-9) 93 Oakland (17-9) 85.... 100% of the money is taking Milwaukee and the points.... and they covered the OU
Green Bay (15-10) 86 Detroit (12-12) 85 ... 100% of the money is on Detroit giving the points.... they did not cover the OU
UIC (4-19) 64 Wright State (15-11) 60.... 74% of the money is on the Raiders giving the points.... they did not cover the OU
The Final Line on WarrenNolan on the VU game... Valpo by 11.5... (Vegas had us as 19.5 point favorites...)
The two Oregon teams have not finished... Oregon is about to lose in a very big way to Cal... down 16 with 6:40 to play; The Beavers have not tipped against Stanford.
So playing NoKy tonight did not devastate the RPI ...
Chattanooga 0.5894 39
Akron 0.5891 40
Florida State 0.5881 41
Tulsa 0.5878 42
Valparaiso 0.5873 43 .... that mathematical number is exactly where we were at 9am. But we moved up 2 spots.
Texas Tech 0.5872 44
Alabama 0.5872 45
Saint Mary's 0.5867 46
San Diego St 0.5866 47
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 11, 2016, 09:12:42 PM
So UIC nips Wright State at the Pavilion.
I was kind of hoping Wright State would win, so someone who feels differently should explain the error in my thinking.
I'm not concerned with Valpo winning the conference. Even before tonight, I thought we were a pretty good bet to finish #1. I'm more concerned about Oakland snagging the #2 seed, because they'll get the double-bye (they'll need it with their style and the way Kampe keeps his players on the floor) AND play in front of a partisan crowd in Detroit (if their fans dare venture south of 8 Mile). Thus, I'd rather see Wright State finish second, even though they beat us in Dayton.
Coming into tonight, I believe WSU and OAK were tied in the standings. Milwaukee beat Oakland at the Orena, but Wright St. lost, so they're still tied when WSU had a golden opportunity to take a 1 game lead, even though they should get beat Saturday ;)
Plus, I can't see WSU playing like that two games in a row. We're going to get an inspired performance from them this weekend.
Karmically, Oakland—the mastermind of this would-be, conference-championship heist—should be the second seed and then lose to us in a 45-44 game, wherein Felder scores all 44 of Oakland's points and inexplicably gets 22 assists doing so. This will foil their plan, but provide a counterpoint to the idea that the JLA confers a home-court advantage to them. Hopefully, this will scare the bejeezus out of the Valpo administration into aggressively seeking a better conference situation.
Truthfully, though, the tougher a challenge we face in the tourney, the better prepared we'll be if we make the NCAA Tourney. I worry more about the lack of competition this year in the Horizon than about facing any particular opponent and I'm relieved that the tail-end of the schedule ends on a tougher note.
Statistically speaking....
Valpo is 1 game out of the longest winning streak top 10 (there's a 4-way tie at 6 .... with a bunch of games to go)
25-in-a-row at the ARC puts us in the tie with SFAustin at #7; one behind UAB and S Dakota St
Defensive Points per game allowed has us up to #8 in the list... with a rounded-tie with #6 Wichita State and #7 Villanova at 61.0
and in the Winning Percentage (19-4 only), the bottom part of the top-20 has a 7-way tie for #17... with the teams listed alphabetically.
17. Akron 82.6%
17. Iowa 82.6%
17. Kansas 82.6%
17. Miami (FL) 82.6%
17. Oregon 82.6%
17. Stony Brook 82.6%
17. Valparaiso 82.6%
Milwaukee (16-9) 93 Oakland (17-9) 85
Green Bay (15-10) 86 Detroit (12-12) 85
UIC (4-19) 64 Wright State (15-11) 60
California 83 Oregon (20-5) 63
The Beavers have not tipped against Stanford.
So playing NoKy tonight did not devastate the RPI ...
9:40pm 10:12pm
Chattanooga 0.5894 39 0.5899 38
Akron 0.5891 40 0.5891 39
Oregon St 0.5891 40
Florida State 0.5881 41
Tulsa 0.5878 42 0.5877 42
Valparaiso 0.5873 43 0.5866 46 !! Darn Ducks cost us 3 spots!
Texas Tech 0.5872 44 0.5872 43
Alabama 0.5872 45 0.5864 47
Saint Mary's 0.5867 46 0.5871 44
San Diego St 0.5866 47 0.5870 45
9:40pm 10:12pm 10:32pm
Chattanooga 0.5894 39 0.5899 38 0.5898 39
Akron 0.5891 40 0.5891 39 0.5891 40
Oregon St 0.5891 40 0.5891 41
Florida State 0.5881 41 0.5874 44
Tulsa 0.5878 42 0.5877 42 0.5876 42
Valparaiso 0.5873 43 0.5866 46 0.5865 47 and we fall another spot
Texas Tech 0.5872 44 0.5872 43 0.5872 45
Alabama 0.5872 45 0.5864 47 0.5863 48
Saint Mary's 0.5867 46 0.5871 44 0.5871 46
San Diego St 0.5866 47 0.5870 45 0.5874 43
Quote from: Valpower on February 11, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 11, 2016, 09:12:42 PM
So UIC nips Wright State at the Pavilion.
I was kind of hoping Wright State would win, so someone who feels differently should explain the error in my thinking.
I'm not concerned with Valpo winning the conference. Even before tonight, I thought we were a pretty good bet to finish #1. I'm more concerned about Oakland snagging the #2 seed, because they'll get the double-bye (they'll need it with their style and the way Kampe keeps his players on the floor) AND play in front of a partisan crowd in Detroit (if their fans dare venture south of 8 Mile). Thus, I'd rather see Wright State finish second, even though they beat us in Dayton.
Coming into tonight, I believe WSU and OAK were tied in the standings. Milwaukee beat Oakland at the Orena, but Wright St. lost, so they're still tied when WSU had a golden opportunity to take a 1 game lead, even though they should get beat Saturday ;)
Plus, I can't see WSU playing like that two games in a row. We're going to get an inspired performance from them this weekend.
Karmically, Oakland—the mastermind of this would-be, conference-championship heist—should be the second seed and then lose to us in a 45-44 game, wherein Felder scores all 44 of Oakland's points and inexplicably gets 22 assists doing so. This will foil their plan, but provide a counterpoint to the idea that the JLA confers a home-court advantage to them. Hopefully, this will scare the bejeezus out of the Valpo administration into aggressively seeking a better conference situation.
Truthfully, though, the tougher a challenge we face in the tourney, the better prepared we'll be if we make the NCAA Tourney. I worry more about the lack of competition this year in the Horizon than about facing any particular opponent and I'm relieved that the tail-end of the schedule ends on a tougher note.
As good as we are, the only assurance we have of going to the NCAA tournament is winning the conference tournament. Like hail crusaders, I'm for the easiest route to get there. Period. There's too much riding on the outcome to worry about which opponents will best prepare us for the Big Dance.
Besides, if the HL is as good as some on the board seem to think, what difference does it make who we play? The league's loaded with quality mid's. Bring on CSU and UIC! ;)
It's amazing to me that our friends up in Oakland County Michigan are a perfect 6-0 on the road and 3-4 at home. Who loses at home that much and plays perfect on the road? That is perfect until a week from Friday on the 19th at the ARC. Hasn't it been established that it is harder to win on the road in college basketball than any other sport. Of course Oakland could lose their undefeated record on the road at Wright State on the 15th, Monday before playing at Valpo.
Milwaukee (16-9) 93 Oakland (17-9) 85
Green Bay (15-10) 86 Detroit (12-12) 85
UIC (4-19) 64 Wright State (15-11) 60
California 83 Oregon (20-5) 63
Oregon State (15-8) 62 Stanford 50
The Beavers have not tipped against Stanford.
9:40pm 10:12pm 10:32pm 6:45am
Chattanooga 0.5894 39 0.5899 38 0.5898 39 0.5898 40
Akron 0.5891 40 0.5891 39 0.5891 40 0.5895 41
Oregon St 0.5891 40 0.5891 41 0.5964 33 Nothing like a nice road win !
Florida State 0.5881 41 0.5874 44 0.5874 44
Tulsa 0.5878 42 0.5877 42 0.5876 42 0.5880 42
Valparaiso 0.5873 43 0.5866 46 0.5865 47 0.5869 46 Thank you Beavers...
Texas Tech 0.5872 44 0.5872 43 0.5872 45 0.5874 43
Alabama 0.5872 45 0.5864 47 0.5863 48 0.5864 47
Saint Mary's 0.5867 46 0.5871 44 0.5871 46 0.5681 70 BOING! Drilled by Pepperdine at home.
San Diego St 0.5866 47 0.5870 45 0.5874 43 0.5874 45
Oregon State 62, Stanford 50
The Beavers had lost 20 of their last 21 games at Maples Pavilion before winning last night. It was also OSU's first road win in conference since January of 2015 after the Beavers lost 10 straight road conference games.
Tres Tinkle had 19 points to lead Oregon State.
"We challenged our guys to turn it around, we've struggled on the road," Oregon State coach Wayne Tinkle said. "I said we can start tonight -- this would be a great time to do that and start not a revolution, but maybe the evolution of our team on the road."
Gary Payton added 14 points and Malcolm Duvivier had 11 for Oregon State (15-8, 6-6 Pac 12), which has won three straight.
Wouldn't that be a good name for a band----Tres Tinkle and the Beavers!
Rhody in a nail-biter against #19 Dayton. Up by 3 with 3:22 to go.
Only one OOC Opponent game tonight... Rhody hosting Dayton.... with Adam Amin on the call...and "what a game"... 3:22 to play, 9th lead change as the Rams take the lead 61-58 on a step-back 3...
With the Ivy league games finals...
the RPI sits at...
7:45pm
Pittsburgh 0.5898 40
Akron 0.5895 41
Tulsa 0.5880 42
Texas Tech 0.5875 43
Florida State 0.5874 44
San Diego St 0.5872 45
Valparaiso 0.5869 46
Alabama 0.5864 47
Connecticut 0.5852 48
S Dakota St 0.5849 49
G Washington 0.5842 50
Dayton 68 - Rhody 66 a before and after picture... with a couple of Pac12 games... nice to have AZ State win... three OOC opponents Belmont and both Oregon's... the other MAAC game is Monmouth / Rider...and a Rider win would help... they too have three OOC opponents, having Played (and lost to) Cleveland State, Rhode Island and Iona. So cheer really loudly for the #252 Bronc's from Lawrenceville, NJ!
the RPI sits at...
7:45pm 8:10pm
Pittsburgh 0.5898 40 0.5899 40
Akron 0.5895 41 0.5893 41
Tulsa 0.5880 42 0.5883 42
Texas Tech 0.5875 43 0.5874 44
Florida State 0.5874 44 0.5877 43
San Diego St 0.5872 45 0.5872 45
Valparaiso 0.5869 46 0.5865 47
Alabama 0.5864 47 0.5865 46
Connecticut 0.5852 48 0.5852 48
S Dakota St 0.5849 49 0.5849 49
G Washington 0.5842 50 0.5843 50
Whatta Run by Monmouth to end the game... 17-2 run over the last 4 minutes to win by 1 in the Rider "Broncs Zoo"... and AZ and AZState winning here's the end of the night...
the RPI sits at...
7:45pm 8:10pm 10:15pm
Pittsburgh 0.5898 40 0.5899 40 0.5897 40
Akron 0.5895 41 0.5893 41 0.5893 41
Tulsa 0.5880 42 0.5883 42 0.5880 42
Texas Tech 0.5875 43 0.5874 44 0.5875 44
Florida State 0.5874 44 0.5877 43 0.5878 43
San Diego St 0.5872 45 0.5872 45 0.5873 45
Valparaiso 0.5869 46 0.5865 47 0.5864 47
Alabama 0.5864 47 0.5865 46 0.5865 46
Connecticut 0.5852 48 0.5852 48 0.5851 48
S Dakota St 0.5849 49 0.5849 49 0.5849 49
G Washington 0.5842 50 0.5843 50 0.5842 50
Tomorrow could be a nice movement day...
Saturday 2/13
Belmont @ Morehead State
Siena @ Iona
Milwaukee @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Oakland
Indiana State @ Missouri State
New Mexico State @ Chicago State
Northern Kentucky @ UIC
Oregon @ Stanford
Ball State @ Central Michigan
Oregon State @ California
Denver @ IPFW
Cleveland State @ Youngstown
Saturday 2/13
Morehead State 78 Belmont (18-9) 77
Siena @ Iona
Milwaukee @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Oakland
Indiana State @ Missouri State
New Mexico State @ Chicago State
Northern Kentucky @ UIC
Oregon @ Stanford
Ball State @ Central Michigan
Oregon State @ California
Denver @ IPFW
Cleveland State @ Youngstown
Saturday 2/13
Morehead State 78 Belmont (18-9) 77
Siena 81 Iona (14-10) 78
Milwaukee @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Oakland
Indiana State @ Missouri State
New Mexico State @ Chicago State
Northern Kentucky @ UIC
Oregon @ Stanford
Ball State @ Central Michigan
Oregon State @ California
Denver @ IPFW
Cleveland State @ Youngstown
Saturday 2/13
Morehead State 78 Belmont (18-9) 77
Siena 81 Iona (14-10) 78
Detroit (13-12) 80 Milwaukee (16-10) 66
Missouri State (10-15) Indiana State (13-12) - going to Overtime tied at 77
Oakland (18-9) 111 Green Bay (15-11) 93
New Mexico State 69 Chicago State (4-23) 55
UIC (4-19) 79 Northern Kentucky (9-16) 77
Oregon @ Stanford 76 Oregon (20-6) 72
Ball State @ Central Michigan
Oregon State @ California
Denver @ IPFW
Cleveland State @ Youngstown State
Saturday 2/13
Morehead State 78 Belmont (18-9) 77
Siena 81 Iona (14-10) 78
Detroit (13-12) 80 Milwaukee (16-10) 66
Missouri State (11-15) 89 Indiana State (13-13) 85 OT
Oakland (18-9) 111 Green Bay (15-11) 93
New Mexico State 69 Chicago State (4-23) 55
UIC (4-19) 79 Northern Kentucky (9-16) 77
Stanford 76 Oregon (20-6) 72
Ball State (16-9) 75 Central Michigan 63
California 83 Oregon State (15-9) 71
IPFW (20-7) 88 Denver 84
Cleveland State (8-18) 64 Youngstown State (9-17) 59
and the RPI did take a hit....mainly because of the home loss... but having our opponents go 2-5 on the day not including the push-games...
Washington 15-10 0.5751 60
Stony Brook 19-4 0.5750 61
Yale 16-5 0.5740 62
Cincinnati 19-7 0.5730 63
Butler 17-8 0.5720 64
UNC Wilmington 18-5 0.5718 65
Valparaiso 19-5 0.5713 66
Georgia 14-9 0.5711 67
BYU 18-8 0.5702 68
Davidson 13-9 0.5702 69
Horizon League RPIs
Valpo 11-2 66
Oakland 10-4 1.5 128
Wright 10-4 1.5 143
Milwke 7-6 4 152
GrenBy 7-6 4 143
Detroit 7-7 4.5 208
NorKy 5-9 6.5 267
YoungSt 4-9 7 264
CleveSt 3-10 8 258
IllChicg 3-10 8 344
after the Sunday Games... not a lot of change in the RPI...
62 Cincinnati +1
63 Temple
64 Butler
65 UNC Wilmington
66 Valparaiso
67 Georgia
68 UCLA
69 BYU +1
This week....
Monday 2/15
Oakland @ Wright State 5pm ESPNU
Quinnipiac @ Iona
Milwaukee @ Green Bay
Tuesday 2/16
Detroit @ Northern Kentucky
Ball State @ Miami OH
UIC @ Youngstown State
Rhode Island @ VCU
Wednesday 2/17
Indiana State @ Illinois State
Thursday 2/18
Missouri State @ Wichita State
South Dakota State @ IPFW
Belmont @ Eastern Kentucky
Chicago State @ Utah Valley
Friday 2/19
Detroit @ UIC
Iona @ Monmouth
Saturday 2/20
Youngstown State @ Green Bay
Northern Illinois @ Ball State
Cleveland State @ Milwaukee
Tennessee Tech @ Belmont
Nebraska Omaha @ IPFW
Duquesne @ Rhode Island
Northern Kentucky @ Wright State
Chicago State @ Grand Canyon
Oregon State @ Oregon
Never thought that I would say this, but GO OAKLAND! Petros still sucks...there, now I don't feel so bad :)
oh... I disagree... I'd rather have Oak play 4-games-in-4-days than WSU... and I want them to play each other on March 7th in the 2-3 game... and we get the #4 seed ... to advance to Tuesday.
I want WSU to win tonight... and have us win on Friday...and on out....
Quote from: valpotx on February 15, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Never thought that I would say this, but GO OAKLAND! Petros still sucks...there, now I don't feel so bad :)
And Bader is an overrated chucker.
Go Raiders
Here is a stat for talksalot...
Eight of the 10 Horizon League teams lost their 13th conference game of the season. The only two to win...the two teams tied for last place...Cleveland State and UIC.
Quote from: Pgmado on February 15, 2016, 05:27:16 PM
Here is a stat for talksalot...
Eight of the 10 Horizon League teams lost their 13th conference game of the season. The only two to win...the two teams tied for last place...Cleveland State and UIC.
We lost 13 conference games?
I double read that as well. I think they mean THE 13th game of conference season.
Of all the games of the year... The WSU game... our 29-year record was 22-7... Tied with one other game for the best WL record... that was the OTHER game with WSU.
It all averages out... I guess...
Oakland 89 Wright State 73...
Dont look now, but all of a sudden our dream season could turn into a nightmare. Oakland thumped a team, on the road, that we lost twice to. If they come into Valpo and beat us (they are undefeated on the road) then we would be the decided underdog going into the tourney. Oakland has figured it out...
Quote from: vu72 on February 15, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
Dont look now, but all of a sudden our dream season could turn into a nightmare. Oakland thumped a team, on the road, that we lost twice to. If they come into Valpo and beat us (they are undefeated on the road) then we would be the decided underdog going into the tourney. Oakland has figured it out...
They lost to UWM by 10 less than a week ago, so I'm not ready to crown them yet.
Monday 2/15
Oakland 89 Wright State 73
Iona (15-10) 78 Quinnipiac 59
5:22 to play at the Resch... 64-62 GBay over the Panthers
Temple 0.5727 63 SOS 78
Butler 0.5723 64 SOS 80
UNC Wilmington 0.5719 65 SOS 179
Georgia 0.5714 66 SOS 32
Valparaiso 0.5710 67 SOS 197
UCLA 0.5705 68 SOS 18
BYU 0.5694 69 SOS 124
Saint Mary's 0.5690 70 SOS 196 !
Monday 2/15
Oakland 89 Wright State 73
Iona (15-10) 78 Quinnipiac 59
Green Bay (16-11) 70 Milwaukee (16-12) 68
as the deep three at the buzzer rims out...
Not worried about Oakland beating us at home. We eliminate each of their offensive options, except for Felder. Felder can't beat us on his own...
Quote from: valpotx on February 15, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
Not worried about Oakland beating us at home. We eliminate each of their offensive options, except for Felder. Felder can't beat us on his own...
Wish we had eliminated Benzinger as an offensive option like we do with Oakland's other options. If we had we might still be undefeated at the ARC.
Monday 2/15
Oakland 89 Wright State 73
Iona 78 Quinnipiac 59
Green Bay 70 Milwaukee 68
Tuesday 2/16
Detroit 63 Northern Kentucky 56
Ball State 73 Miami OH 56
UIC @ Youngstown State 92 UIC 91 2OT
Rhode Island @ VCU
UIC is playing much better than earlier this season. They will be a wild card in the HL tournament.
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Tuesday 2/16
Detroit 63 Northern Kentucky 56
Ball State 73 Miami OH 56
UIC @ Youngstown State 92 UIC 91 2OT
VCU 83 Rhode Island (14-12) 67
and the RPI drops to 69, with an SOS of 208.
Wednesday 2/17
Illinois State 78 Indiana State (13-14) 50
And Valpo's RPI is 68, SOS is 208
Thursday 2/18... so the opponents go 2-2 on the night...
Wichita State 99 Missouri State (11-16) 68
IPFW (21-7) 91 South Dakota State 79... Dons climb to 71 in the RPI over #44 SDakSU
Belmont (19-9) 86 Eastern Kentucky 78
Utah Valley 74 Chicago State (4-24) 72... so close...
RPI standings with several west coast games just getting underway
64 Florida State ACC (6-8) 16-10
65 Vanderbilt SEC (7-6) 15-11
66 BYU West Coast (10-4) 18-8
67 Valparaiso Horizon League (12-2) 20-5
68 Davidson Atlantic 10 (7-6) 14-9
69 Kansas State Big 12 (4-9) 15-11
70 Saint Mary's College West Coast (11-3) 19-4
Friday 2/19
Detroit 83 UIC 72 Titans come to the arc HOT!
Iona @ Monmouth... Iona UP 19 at the HALF!!
Ball State (18-9) 63 Northern Illinois 59
and the Iona game is the only one not complete... and the Ken Pom update moved us down to #4 on the overall Defense, #28 overall.
Friday 2/19
Detroit 83 UIC 72 Titans come to the arc HOT!
Iona 83 Monmouth 67... nice win on the road for the Gaels
Ball State (18-9) 63 Northern Illinois 59
What the Vegas Insiders are saying about today's games...
Saturday 2/20
Youngstown State @ Green Bay - Phoenix giving 13.5 at home; 2/3rd of the money is on the Guins + the points, OU 177.5
Cleveland State @ Milwaukee - Panthers giving 12 at home, 3/4ths of the money is on the Vikings + the points, OU 132
Tennessee Tech @ Belmont - Bruins giving 8.5 at home, 72% of the money is on Tech + the points, OU 166.5
Nebraska Omaha @ IPFW - Dons giving 3.5 at home, 69% of the money is on UNO, OU 172.5
Duquesne @ Rhode Island - Rams giving 8.5 at home, 59% of the money is on URI giving the points and 100% of the money is on the Over at 147
Northern Kentucky @ Wright State - Donlan etal are giving 8.5 and 98% of the money is on the Raiders to cover; OU at 132 has no wagers
Chicago State @ Grand Canyon - Lets see, CSU 4-24, 0-16 on the road vs. GC 23-4 and 15-2 at home. No Line...
Oregon State @ Oregon - Ducks giving 12 at home, 91% of the money says they cover the spread and 100% of the money says they cover the 144 OU
A win by the Beavers would certainly help us!
Question: Where is my favorite place to be in the RPI?
Answer: Anywhere ahead of Butler. :)
Virginia Commonwealth 0.5817 54
Stony Brook 0.5806 55
Michigan 0.5803 56
Yale 0.5783 57
Valparaiso 0.5761 58 SOS jumped up to 188
Butler 0.5750 59
Gonzaga 0.5728 60
Cincinnati 0.5723 61
Elsewhere in the realm of streaks and stuff...
Longest Road Winning Streaks:
1. Saint Joseph's 8
1. Villanova 8
3. Hawaii 5
4. Boston University 4
4. Detroit 4 :o
4. Iona 4
4. Liberty 4
4. Monmouth 4
4. Old Dominion 4
4. Stephen F. Austin 4
Offensive Points per game:
1. Oakland 87.1
2. Marshall 85.1
3. North Florida 84.3
4. Washington 84.0
5. Green Bay 83.8
6. The Citadel 83.5
7. Nebraska-Omaha 83.5
8. North Carolina 83.4
9. Indiana 83.4
10. BYU 83.2
11. Duke 83.1
12. USC 82.9
13. Oklahoma 82.8
14. Iowa State 82.6
15. Arizona 82.0
16. Detroit 82.0 :o
17. Belmont 81.9
Defensive points per game allowed:
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 58.7
2. Virginia 59.5
3. Wichita State 60.2
4. Saint Mary's College 60.5
4. San Diego State 60.5
6. Louisville 60.7
7. Valparaiso 61.2 :thumbsup:
8. Villanova 61.3
9. Old Dominion 61.8
10. Cincinnati 61.8
Overall Scoring Margin of Victory:
1. Louisville +17.0
2. Michigan State +15.8
3. Villanova +14.8
4. Saint Mary's College +14.8
5. West Virginia +14.3
6. SMU +14.3
7. Arizona +14.0
7. Indiana +14.0
9. Purdue +13.8
10. Wichita State +13.5
11. Gonzaga +13.4
12. North Carolina +13.0
13. Kansas +12.9
14. Valparaiso +12.8 :thumbsup:
15. Cincinnati +12.2
16. Hawaii +12.2
17. Duke +12.1
18. Kentucky +11.8
Overall Winning Percentage:
1. Villanova 88.5%
1. Xavier 88.5%
3. Arkansas-Little Rock 87.5%
4. Hawaii 86.4%
5. Chattanooga 84.6%
5. Saint Joseph's 84.6%
7. Dayton 84.0%
7. Grand Canyon 84.0%
7. Kansas 84.0%
7. Miami (FL) 84.0%
7. SMU 84.0%
12. Saint Mary's College 83.3%
13. Arizona 81.5%
13. Michigan State 81.5%
15. Maryland 80.8%
15. North Carolina 80.8%
15. Valparaiso 80.8% :thumbsup:
15. Virginia 80.8%
Top win = RPI 36 Oregon St.
2nd best win = RPI 67 IPFW Don't want to sound like an Oakland fan but we had the lead going into halftime at RPI #3 Oregon. :crazy:
Worse lose = twice to WSU rpi 162
2nd worse lose = Ball St. is 151.
Bad wins Chicago st. 346 and UIC twice #348.
Saturday 2/20
Green Bay (17-11) 107 Youngstown St (10-18) 90
Offensive points per game:
1. Oakland 87.1
2. Marshall 85.1
3. Green Bay 84.7
4:15pm RPI... sometimes there are just not enough decimals
Valparaiso 21-5 0.5758 58
Butler 18-9 0.5758 59
Milwaukee 88 Cleveland State 54.. in a game that was not as close as the final score would indicate.
CSU is bad... The will get the 10 seed.
Saturday 2/20
Green Bay 107 Youngstown State 90 - Covered the spread and the Over
Milwaukee 88 Cleveland State 54 - Covered the spread and the Over
Belmont 95 Tennessee Tech 86 - Covered the spread and the Over
Nebraska Omaha @ IPFW - Dons giving 3.5 at home, 69% of the money is on UNO, OU 172.5
Duquesne @ Rhode Island - (URI up 7 at the half) Rams giving 8.5 at home, 59% of the money is on URI giving the points and 100% of the money is on the Over at 147
Northern Kentucky @ Wright State -(Raiders up 10 with 16 to play) Donlan etal are giving 8.5 and 98% of the money is on the Raiders to cover; OU at 132 has no wagers
Chicago State @ Grand Canyon - Lets see, CSU 4-24, 0-16 on the road vs. GC 23-4 and 15-2 at home. No Line...
Oregon State @ Oregon - Ducks giving 12 at home, 91% of the money says they cover the spread and 100% of the money says they cover the 144 OU
Saturday 2/20
Green Bay 107 Youngstown State 90 - Covered the spread and the Over
Milwaukee 88 Cleveland State 54 - Covered the spread and the Over
Belmont 95 Tennessee Tech 86 - Covered the spread and the Over
IPFW (22-7) 94 Nebraska Omaha 90 - Covered the Spread and the Over
Rhode Island (15-12) 77 Duquesne 74 - Did NOT cover the spread, covered the Over
Wright State 67 Northern Kentucky 64 - Did not cover the spread, missed covering the OU by 1.
What a finish to that game... NoKy gets a steal with 15 seconds to go, down 1... races down court... and Joe Tomassen steals it right back, hits the two free throws with 5 seconds to go... and the Raiders hang on on Senior night.
Chicago State @ Grand Canyon - Lets see, CSU 4-24, 0-16 on the road vs. GC 23-4 and 15-2 at home. No Line...
Oregon State @ Oregon - Ducks giving 12 at home, 91% of the money says they cover the spread and 100% of the money says they cover the 144 OU
8:25pm
54 Michigan Big Ten (9-5) 18-8
55 Syracuse ACC (8-7) 18-10
56 Cincinnati American Athletic (10-5) 20-8
57 Davidson Atlantic 10 (8-6) 15-9
58 Valparaiso Horizon League (13-2) 21-5
59 UNC Wilmington Colonial Athletic (13-3) 19-6
60 Butler Big East (7-8) 18-9
Saturday 2/20
Green Bay 107 Youngstown State 90 - Covered the spread and the Over
Milwaukee 88 Cleveland State 54 - Covered the spread and the Over
Belmont 95 Tennessee Tech 86 - Covered the spread and the Over
IPFW (22-7) 94 Nebraska Omaha 90 - Covered the Spread and the Over
Rhode Island (15-12) 77 Duquesne 74 - Did NOT cover the spread, covered the Over
Wright State 67 Northern Kentucky 64 - Did not cover the spread, missed covering the OU by 1.
What a finish to that game... NoKy gets a steal with 15 seconds to go, down 1... races down court... and Joe Tomassen steals it right back, hits the two free throws with 5 seconds to go... and the Raiders hang-on for all of the Raiders on Senior night.
Grand Canyon 67 Chicago State (4-25) 52 No spread to cover...
Oregon State @ Oregon - (Ducks up 23 at the half) Ducks giving 12 at home, 91% of the money says they cover the spread and 100% of the money says they cover the 144 OU
8:25pm 10:25pm
54 Michigan Big Ten (9-5) 18-8 55
55 Syracuse ACC (8-7) 18-10 54
56 Cincinnati American Athletic (10-5) 20-8 58
57 Davidson Atlantic 10 (8-6) 15-9 56
58 Valparaiso Horizon League (13-2) 21-5 57
59 UNC Wilmington Colonial Athletic (13-3) 19-6 59
Chattanooga Southern (13-3) 22-5 60
60 Butler Big East (7-8) 18-9 61
Saturday 2/20
Green Bay 107 Youngstown State 90 - Covered the spread and the Over
Milwaukee 88 Cleveland State 54 - Covered the spread and the Over
Belmont 95 Tennessee Tech 86 - Covered the spread and the Over
IPFW (22-7) 94 Nebraska Omaha 90 - Covered the Spread and the Over
Rhode Island (15-12) 77 Duquesne 74 - Did NOT cover the spread, covered the Over
Wright State 67 Northern Kentucky 64 - Did not cover the spread, missed covering the OU by 1.
What a finish to that game... NoKy gets a steal with 15 seconds to go, down 1... races down court... and Joe Tomassen steals it right back, hits the two free throws with 5 seconds to go... and the Raiders hang-on for all of the Raiders on Senior night.
Grand Canyon 67 Chicago State (4-25) 52 No spread to cover...
Oregon (21-6) 91 Oregon State (15-10) 81 Failed to cover the spread, Covered the over
Here's this week's schedule for the Opponents....
Sunday 2/21
Wichita State @ Indiana State
Loyola @ Missouri State
Oakland @ UIC
Monday 2/22
Iona @ Siena
Cleveland State @ Green Bay
Youngstown State @ Milwaukee
Tuesday 2/23
Rhode Island @ Davidson
Ball State @ Toledo... interesting RPI conundrum: Toledo played 6 HL teams this year; Ball St only played us.
Wednesday 2/24
Drake @ Missouri State
Indiana State @ Northern Iowa
Washington State @ Oregon
Washington @ Oregon State
Thursday 2/25
Northern Kentucky @ Cleveland State
Wright State @ Youngstown State
IPFW @ Western Illinois
Friday 2/26
Iona @ Manhattan
UIC @ Green Bay
Detroit @ Oakland
Saturday 2/27
Rhode Island @ Dayton
Wright State @ Cleveland State
IPFW @ IUPUI
Eastern Michigan @ Ball State
Bradley @ Indiana State
Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky
Missouri State @ Southern Illinois
Sunday 2/28
Belmont @ Tennessee State
UIC @ Milwaukee
Canisius @ Iona
Rio Grande Valley @ Chicago State
Washington State @ Oregon State
Washington @ Oregon
Sunday 2/21
Wichita State 84 Indiana State (13-15) 51
Loyola 75 Missouri State (11-17) 62
Oakland @ UIC... OAK up 4 early in the second half
5:15pm on Regular Season Championship Day... (just like the sound of that)
George Washington 0.5807 53
Saint Mary's College 0.5798 54
Michigan 0.5795 55
Syracuse 0.5791 56
Valparaiso 0.5780 57
Cincinnati 0.5767 58
Davidson 0.5764 59
Chattanooga 0.5761 60
Sunday 2/21
Wichita State 84 Indiana State (13-15) 51
Loyola 75 Missouri State (11-17) 62
Oakland (20-10) 74 UIC (5-22) 63
Quote from: talksalot on February 21, 2016, 06:07:30 PMOakland (20-10) 74 UIC (5-22) 63
The Oakland RPI reward for winning at UIC was an instant drop from 117 to 121.
Monday 2/22
Iona (17-10) 87 Siena 81
Cleveland State @ Green Bay
Youngstown State @ Milwaukee
RPI at 8:25PM
Michigan 0.5794 55
Syracuse 0.5787 56
Temple 0.5786 57
Valparaiso 0.5785 58
Cincinnati 0.5769 59
Davidson 0.5765 60
Monday 2/22
Iona (17-10) 87 Siena 81
Green Bay (18-11) 78 Cleveland State (8-21) 61
Milwaukee (18-11) 87 Youngstown State (10-19) 51
RPI at 8:25PM 8:55PM
Michigan 0.5794 55 0.5788 55
Syracuse 0.5787 56 0.5787 56
Temple 0.5786 57 0.5787 57
Valparaiso 0.5785 58 0.5783 58 **
Cincinnati 0.5769 59 0.5775 59
Davidson 0.5765 60 0.5766 60
The two CSU and YSU losses hurt because we have not played GB and MIL twice yet, so the two losses hurt more than the two wins.
Those watching the Iowa State / WVA game, it's a push... Iowa State beat Chicago State and WVA beat Northern Kentucky
Tuesday 2/23
Davidson 65 Rhode Island (16-13) 54
Toledo 77 Ball State (18-10) 67
at 8:58PM
Valpo RPI 0.5779 #59
at 9:02pm
Valpo RPI 0.5775 #59
The Baylor/Kansas game went final at the same time the Toledo/Ball State game, so it's hard to tell what the impact was for just the Toledo game. Kansas played Oregon State and Baylor had played Oregon.
We begin the evening with an RPI of 0.5775 #58
Within a few seconds of each other, the two MVC games go final...
Missouri State (12-17) 61 Drake 52
Northern Iowa 66 Indiana State (13-16) 44
Oregon State - Washington game on ESPNU at 10pm Central...
and Temple just flew past us... our raw-number-score did not change, but we are now #59, Temple at 58 at 0.5778
Oregon State favored by 1.5
Oregon favored by 16.5
Oregon State goes the full court in 3.3 seconds to hit a 3 at the buzzer and win!
So the opponents got 3-1 on the night...
Oregon (22-6) 76 Washington State 62
Oregon State (16-10) 82 Washington 81
Syracuse 0.5783 56
Temple 0.5782 57
Valparaiso 0.5778 58
Cincinnati 0.5776 59
Davidson 0.5775 60
Defensive points per game allowed
1. Arkansas-Little Rock 58.8
2. Wichita State 59.6
3. Virginia 59.7
4. San Diego State 60.3
5. Saint Mary's College 60.4
6. Louisville 60.8
7. Valparaiso 61.7
8. Cincinnati 61.8
9. Charleston 61.9
10. Connecticut 62.1
Scoring Margin
1. Louisville +16.3
2. Michigan State +15.9
3. Wichita State +14.5
4. Saint Mary's College +14.4
5. SMU +14.2
6. Villanova +13.8
7. Indiana +13.7
8. Arizona +13.4
8. North Carolina +13.4
10. Purdue +13.2
10. West Virginia +13.2
12. Valparaiso +13.0
13. Gonzaga +12.7
14. Kansas +12.5
overall winning percentage
1. Xavier 89.3%
2. Arkansas-Little Rock 88.0%
3. Hawaii 87.0%
4. Villanova 85.7%
5. Kansas 85.2%
6. Grand Canyon 84.6%
6. SMU 84.6%
8. Saint Mary's College 84.0%
9. Michigan State 82.1%
9. North Carolina 82.1%
9. Saint Joseph's 82.1%
12. Chattanooga 81.5%
12. Dayton 81.5%
12. Maryland 81.5%
12. Miami (FL) 81.5%
12. Oklahoma 81.5%
12. South Carolina 81.5%
12. Valparaiso 81.5%
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But remember, Jimmy Panther (or whatever he goes by) says that beating Oregon State is just like beating Minnesota...
and the RPI sits at
Syracuse 18-10 0.5783 56
Temple 17-10 0.5779 57
Valparaiso 22-5 0.5779 58
Cincinnati 20-8 0.5776 59
Davidson 16-9 0.5775 60
Thursday 2/25
Northern Kentucky @ Cleveland State - Vikes up 7 at the half
Wright State @ Youngstown State - Raiders up 13 at the half
IPFW @ Western Illinois
Thursday 2/25
Cleveland State (9-21) 63 Northern Kentucky (9-19) 58
Wright State (18-12) 87 Youngstown State (10-20) 81
IPFW @ Western Illinois
7:45pm
Syracuse 18-10 0.5783 56
Temple 17-10 0.5779 57
Valparaiso 22-5 0.5779 58
Cincinnati 20-8 0.5776 59
Davidson 16-9 0.5775 60
8:45pm
Saint Mary's College 21-4 0.5798 54
Vanderbilt 17-11 0.5794 55
Valparaiso 22-5 0.5785 56
Syracuse 18-10 0.5782 57
Temple 17-10 0.5779 58
Davidson 16-9 0.5778 59
Cincinnati 20 8 0.5774 60
Mastodons up 6 with 3:00 to play first half at Macomb
Thursday 2/25
Cleveland State (9-21) 63 Northern Kentucky (9-19) 58
Wright State (18-12) 87 Youngstown State (10-20) 81
IPFW (23-7) 87 Western Illinois 75
7:45pm
Syracuse 18-10 0.5783 56
Temple 17-10 0.5779 57
Valparaiso 22-5 0.5779 58
Cincinnati 20-8 0.5776 59
Davidson 16-9 0.5775 60
8:45pm
Saint Mary's College 21-4 0.5798 54
Vanderbilt 17-11 0.5794 55
Valparaiso 22-5 0.5785 56
Syracuse 18-10 0.5782 57
Temple 17-10 0.5779 58
Davidson 16-9 0.5778 59
Cincinnati 20 8 0.5774 60
10:02 when the IPFW game was posted
Yale 17-6 0.5805 53
Saint Mary's 21-4 0.5798 54
Vanderbilt 17-11 0.5796 55
Valparaiso 22-5 0.5786 56
Temple 17-10 0.5780 57
Syracuse 18-10 0.5780 58
Davidson 16-9 0.5778 59
Friday 2/26
Iona (18-10) 86 Manhattan 73; and the Gaels stay 1 game back of Monmouth
UIC down 4 at Green Bay with 6:34 to play
Detroit back from 12 down, with in 5 with 3:45 in first
Elsewhere in the national rankings...
Consecutive Road Wins
1. Hawaii 6
1. Iona 6
1. Stephen F. Austin 6
4. Monmouth 5
5. Valparaiso 4
5. Army 4
5. East Tennessee State 4
5. High Point 4
5. Kansas 4
5. Lehigh 4
5. South Carolina State 4
5. UC Santa Barbara 4
5. ULM 4
Scoring Margin:
1. Louisville +16.3
2. Michigan State +15.9
3. Saint Mary's College +14.8
4. Wichita State +14.5
5. Indiana +14.1
6. SMU +13.9
7. Villanova +13.8
8. Arizona +13.4
8. North Carolina +13.4
10. Purdue +13.2
10. West Virginia +13.2
12. Gonzaga +13.1
13. Valparaiso +12.6
14. Kansas +12.5
Overall D1 Winning Percentage:
1. Xavier 89.3%
2. Arkansas-Little Rock 88.5%
3. Villanova 85.7%
4. Kansas 85.2%
4. SMU 85.2%
6. Grand Canyon 84.6%
6. Saint Mary's College 84.6%
8. Hawaii 83.3%
9. Valparaiso 82.1%
9. Michigan State 82.1%
9. North Carolina 82.1%
9. Saint Joseph's 82.1%
The RPI creeps up a little more...
Pittsburgh 0.5854 46
San Diego St 0.5850 47
George Washington 0.5838 48
Valparaiso 0.5831 49
Stony Brook 0.5829 50
Akron 0.5820 51
Friday 2/26
Iona (18-10) 86 Manhattan 73; and the Gaels stay 1 game back of Monmouth
Green Bay 85 UIC 69
Oakland (21-10) 108 Detroit (15-14) 97 ... and if you didn't catch the end of the broadcast... that was pure college basketball. Max Hooper runs up into the bleachers to hug his father ... who's on a stretcher suffering from cancer. Hat's off to Max for that moment.
9:56pm 10:12pm
Pittsburgh 0.5854 46 0.5851 45
San Diego St 0.5850 47 0.5850 46
Monmouth 0.5848 47
George Washington 0.5838 48 0.5838 48
Valparaiso 0.5831 49 0.5827 50 Bowling Green's loss hurt... they played 4 HL teams
Stony Brook 0.5829 50 0.5829 49
Akron 0.5820 51 0.5819 51
Monmouth 24 6 0.8000 21 0.5848 47 0.4990 159
George Washington 21 7 0.7500 32 0.5838 48 0.5284 101
Stony Brook 21 5 0.8077 20 0.5829 49 0.4849 193
Valparaiso 23 5 0.8214 9 0.5827 50 0.4916 173 37
Akron 21 7 0.7500 32 0.5819 51 0.5040 144
Michigan 19 9 0.6786 65 0.5812 52 0.5555 60
So here's what we have left ...
Saturday 2/27
Rhode Island @ Dayton, Thursday Home to UMass and Next Saturday @ Fordham
Wright State @ Cleveland State
IPFW @ IUPUI - last game before tourney
Eastern Michigan @ Ball State, Tuesday Home to Central Michigan and Next Friday at NIU
Bradley @ Indiana State - last game before tourney
Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky
Missouri State @ Southern Illinois - last game before tourney
Sunday 2/28
Belmont @ Tennessee State - last game before tourney
UIC @ Milwaukee
Canisius @ Iona - last game before conference tourney
Rio Grande Valley @ Chicago State; and NEXT Saturday, they finish with UMKC at home
Washington State @ Oregon State - Wednesday at USC and Next Saturday at UCLA
Washington @ Oregon - Wednesday @UCLA and Next Saturday @ USC
Quote from: talksalot on February 26, 2016, 10:04:05 PMand if you didn't catch the end of the broadcast... that was pure college basketball. Max Hooper runs up into the bleachers to hug his father ... who's on a stretcher suffering from cancer. Hat's off to Max for that moment.
Number 1 story on SportsCenter this morning. Well Played ESPN.
Quote from: talksalot on February 26, 2016, 10:32:39 PMIPFW @ IUPUI - last game before tourney
Really hope that IPFW can make it to the tourney, maybe they would start getting some of the recognition they deserve in this sports snobbish town, and hey, it would be great for us in the RPI and eyes of the selection committee.
Watching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 12:21:11 PM
Watching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
You can say that about any game.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:38:29 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 12:21:11 PMWatching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
You can say that about any game.
Don't know about that... I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch. Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:38:29 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 12:21:11 PMWatching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
You can say that about any game.
Don't know about that... I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch. Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.
They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:59:17 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 01:52:07 PMQuote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:38:29 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 12:21:11 PMWatching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
You can say that about any game.
Don't know about that... I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch. Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.
They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.
You realize 3 of those loses are #19 Dayton by 2, @ VCU plus @ Davidson. tough set of games, a lot of teams would lose those 3.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:59:17 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 01:52:07 PMQuote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:38:29 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 12:21:11 PMWatching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
You can say that about any game.
Don't know about that... I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch. Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.
They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.
You realize 3 of those loses are #19 Dayton by 2, @ VCU plus @ Davidson. tough set of games, a lot of teams would lose those 3.
And they weren't close in 2 of them. But whatever, we'll give them theoretical wins over Valpo. Let's give theoretical wins to Oregon State and Iona as well. Valpo's pretend record should be 43-25.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 02:11:01 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 02:07:34 PMQuote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:59:17 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 01:52:07 PMQuote from: a3uge on February 27, 2016, 01:38:29 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2016, 12:21:11 PMWatching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place. If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.
You can say that about any game.
Don't know about that... I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch. Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.
They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.
You realize 3 of those loses are #19 Dayton by 2, @ VCU plus @ Davidson. tough set of games, a lot of teams would lose those 3.
And they weren't close in 2 of them. But whatever, we'll give them theoretical wins over Valpo. Let's give theoretical wins to Oregon State and Iona as well. Valpo's pretend record should be 43-25.
Don't go overboard...
I like playing make believe too. Point of saying, "I don't think we beat Rhode Island in a rematch," is I don't think we are playing as well as we were in the stretch vs. Iona, Rhode Island and Oregon St. That was an impressive set of results all on the road.
Could we do that again this week? You don't have to actually answer that theoretical question....
Saturday 2/27 so far... 3-1 for the non-conference opponents...
Rhode Island (16-13) 75 Dayton 66 Great road win for the rams!
Wright State (19-12) 55 Cleveland State 51
IUPUI 80 IPFW (23-8) 77
Ball State (19-10) 115 (yes, 115) Eastern Michigan 79 - (61 in the first half for the Cards)
Indiana State (14-16) 77 Bradley 58
Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky
Missouri State @ Southern Illinois
3:10pm RPI update
46 Pittsburgh
47 Stony Brook
48 Virginia Commonwealth
49 Monmouth
50 Valparaiso
51 Akron
52 Michigan
3:10pm RPI update 7:45pm
44 Stony Brook
45 Providence 0.5834
46 Pittsburgh 46 Virginia Commonwealth 0.5834
47 Stony Brook 47 Valparaiso 0.5833
48 Virginia Commonwealth 48 Vanderbilt 0.5832
49 Monmouth 49 Pittsburgh
50 Valparaiso 50 Monmouth
51 Akron 51 Yale
52 Michigan 52 Akron
53 Cincinnati
54 Michigan
Saturday 2/27 so far... 3-1 for the non-conference opponents...
Rhode Island (16-13) 75 Dayton 66 Great road win for the rams!
Wright State (19-12) 55 Cleveland State 51
IUPUI 80 IPFW (23-8) 77
Ball State (19-10) 115 (yes, 115) Eastern Michigan 79 - (61 in the first half for the Cards)
Indiana State (14-16) 77 Bradley 58
Youngstown State (11-20) 94 Northern Kentucky (9-20) 75
Missouri State @ Southern Illinois - Bears leading at the half 33-30
Saturday 2/27 3-2 for the non-conference opponents...
Rhode Island (16-13) 75 Dayton 66 Great road win for the rams!
Wright State (19-12) 55 Cleveland State 51
IUPUI 80 IPFW (23-8) 77
Ball State (19-10) 115 (yes, 115) Eastern Michigan 79 - (61 in the first half for the Cards)
Indiana State (14-16) 77 Bradley 58
Youngstown State (11-20) 94 Northern Kentucky (9-20) 75
Southern Illinois 78 Missouri State (12-18) 68
3:10pm RPI update 7:45pm 9:25pm
44 Stony Brook 44 Virginia Com 0.5836
45 Providence 0.5834 45 Valparaiso 0.5834
46 Pittsburgh 46 Virginia Comm 0.5834 46 Providence 0.5833
47 Stony Brook 47 Valparaiso 0.5833 47 Vanderbilt 0.5831
48 Virginia Commonwealth 48 Vanderbilt 0.5832 48 Pittsburgh 0.5827
49 Monmouth 49 Pittsburgh 49 Monmouth 0.5827
50 Valparaiso 50 Monmouth 50 Akron 0.5824
51 Akron 51 Yale 51 Michigan 0.5813
52 Michigan 52 Akron 52 Cincinnati 0.5811
53 Cincinnati 53 Yale 0.5801
54 Michigan 54 St. Marys 0.5793
and after all of the west coast games are done... we moved up one more
39 Seton Hall 20 7 0.5895
40 South Carolina 22 6 0.5893
41 South Dakota St 21 7 0.5885
42 Connecticut 20 8 0.5861
43 Virginia Common 21 8 0.5836
44 Valparaiso 23 5 0.5834
45 Providence 20 9 0.5833
46 Florida 17 12 0.5830
47 Saint Mary's 23 4 0.5829
48 Pittsburgh 18 8 0.5827
49 Monmouth 24 6 0.5827
Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Belmont down 5 with 11:00 to play at Tennessee State
Iona down 5 at home to Canisius at the Half
Chicago State tipped off at 4pm at home to UT Rio Grande Valley
Oregon State at home to Wazzu at 5:30 central
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central
and VALPO's RPI Jumps all the way to 42 with that road win at the Resch... 8 days off to get Skara and Walker healthy !!
39 USC 19 9 0.5899
40 South Carolina 22 6 0.5892
41 South Dakota St 21 7 0.5885
42 Valparaiso 23 5 0.5834
43 Virginia Comm 21 8 0.5832
44 Florida 17 12 0.5831
45 Saint Mary's 23 4 0.5829
46 Providence 20 9 0.5828
47 Pittsburgh 18 8 0.5826
48 Monmouth 24 6 0.5826
49 Akron 21 7 0.5825
Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78 and the Gaels lockup the #2 seed in the MAAC tournament, RPI was 108 going into this game, Griffins were #228
Chicago State tipped off at 4pm at home to UT Rio Grande Valley - leading 42-40 at the half
Oregon State at home to Wazzu at 5:30 central
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central
and Iona's RPI crept up to 107 after their win... passing #108... Ball State ! arggggggg.
Belmont hangs in at #80
Valpo falls to 43... but there is a large (statistically speaking) break in the arithmetic between 43 and 44. weird.
South Carolina 0.5889 39
Pittsburgh 0.5889 40
South Dakota State 0.5885 41
Tulsa 0.5885 42
Valparaiso 0.5870 43
Florida 0.5831 44
Saint Mary's 0.5829 45
Providence 0.5828 46
Virginia Common 0.5827 47
Monmouth 0.5825 48 already clinched #1 seed in MAAC tournament, but are playing #315 Niagara at home right now, so they will fall regardless of the outcome up 7 with 16:00 to play
Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78
UT Rio Grande Valley 89 Chicago State (4-26) 79 - 17-game losing streak
Oregon State at home to Wazzu at 5:30 central - up 23-10 with 4:00 to play first half
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central
6:10pm 9:16pm
South Carolina 0.5889 39 0.5889 39
Pittsburgh 0.5889 40 0.5888 40
South Dakota State 0.5885 41 0.5885 41
Tulsa 0.5885 42 0.5885 42
Valparaiso 0.5870 43 0.5868 43 0.5870 43 Beavers
Florida 0.5831 44 0.5831 44
Saint Mary's 0.5829 45 0.5830 45
Providence 0.5828 46 0.5827 46
Virginia Common 0.5827 47 0.5827 47
Monmouth 0.5825 48 0.5825 48
Monmouth 0.5791 54
(before and after their win over #308 Niagara went final)
Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78
UT Rio Grande Valley 89 Chicago State (4-26) 79 - 17-game losing streak
Oregon State (17-10) 69 Washington State 49 Beaver's do their part ! Unfortunately, Wazzu's RPI was 199... so just playing them will hurt.
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central
Quote from: talksalot on February 28, 2016, 06:03:10 PMTennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Was Belmont's automatic NIT bid at stake? ahhhh no!
Was their Ohio Valley tournament seeding at stake? ahhh no!
Was their possible NCAA seeding affected? The answer here is little or none. So I guess my question is how many RPI .00001 points and places might it have cost us? I only bring this up because over reliance on any one selection or seeding tool can be myopic.
Some of the bracket guys on Twitter I follow have said RPI isn't really relied on very much at all.
Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78
UT Rio Grande Valley 89 Chicago State (4-26) 79 - 17-game losing streak
Oregon State (17-10) 69 Washington State 49
Oregon (23-6) 86 Washington 73
and I put the RPI out there... because it's a comparison, it does show relative strength... and the other thing Belmont was playing for was local bragging rights. Lipscomb, Tennessee State and Belmont are all within a mile-or-so of each other... they are recruiting the same student athletes.
Quote from: HC on February 28, 2016, 08:18:49 PM
Some of the bracket guys on Twitter I follow have said RPI isn't really relied on very much at all.
Not raw RPI, but certainly record vs top 50, top 100, etc - this is still measured in RPI.
A little wider spread on the RPI this morning... showing a lot of the other mid-major bubble teams
Arkansas-Little Rock 24 3 0.5936 36 SOS 207
Wichita State 22 7 0.5894 37 SOS 100
South Carolina 22 6 0.5889 38 SOS 123
Pittsburgh 19 8 0.5888 39 SOS 34
Tulsa 19 10 0.5887 40 SOS 42
South Dakota State 21 7 0.5883 41 SOS 137
Valparaiso 24 5 0.5871 42 SOS 165
USC 19 10 0.5651 44 SOS 39
Providence 20 9 0.5833 44 SOS 55
Florida 17 12 0.5830 45 SOS 14
Virginia Commonwealth 21 8 0.5830 46 SOS 79
Saint Mary's College 23 4 0.5828 47 SOS 174
Akron 21 7 0.5825 48 SOS 142
Time to expand this discussion a little... from "Opponent games" to "Opponent and other-teams-we-want-to-lose"
Tuesday 3/1/16
Central Michigan 65 Ball State (19-11) 57 That is the only VU opponent playing tonight
Also in action:
Dayton wins a big road game at Richmond 85-84 to move up to 23-6
Akron wins a MAC Home game with a decent Ohio team 91-76, zips move up to 23-7 and into the RPI #42, moving Valpo to #43.
Ark -Little Rock (27-3) 89 Arkansas State 80; UALR's RPI is still a healthy 36
St Marys at home to Grand Canyon, Gaels are up 8, at the half; St. Marys RPI is 45; Antelopes are #95.
San Diego State is at the Pit and they lead the Lobo's by 12 with 12:00 to play
Wednesday 3/2
Oregon is @ UCLA
Oregon State is @ USC - USC is hanging right with Valpo in the RPI; so this would be a big win for the Beavers and for Valpo.
and other games:
UMBC @ Stony Brook - SB is Mid Major #10 with a record of 23-6, Stony Brook is the best team this season that's never made the NCAAs
St Josephs at St Bonaventure... one of them has their bubble burst with a loss on Wednesday.
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Thursday, 3/3
UMass @ Rhode Island... Please Rams... win a game...
Drake @ Missouri State... Please Bears... win a game
Others:
UALR @ Appalachian State - Mountaineers are RPI #283... sorry little rock...
SFAustin (Mid Major #7) @ Northwestern State-Demons RPI is #345...SFA would accept a bid to the Horizon right now.
Hawaii @ UCDavis; Rainbow Warriors are MidMajor #8
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Friday 3/4
Ball State @ Northern Illinois... please Cardinals... win a game
Indiana State @ Illinois State
and two big games in the Ivy: Yale @ Cornell and Princeton @ Harvard
Yale (RPI 50) is 11-1; Princeton (RPI #33) is 10-1
(Cornell is 2-10; Harvard is 4-8)
Eli then goes to Columbia (RPI 123) on Saturday;
Tigers go to Dartmouth (RPI 284) on Saturday; and finish at home against Penn on Tuesday.
If they end in a tie (they split regular season); they will have a one-game playoff for the NCAA bid
Princeton's losses are to RPI: 7, 10, 26, 50 and 62... all on the road.
Yale's losses are to RPI: 12, 15, 86, 44, 33 and #161-Illinois.... all on the road
Quote from: talksalot on March 01, 2016, 09:59:33 PMSt Josephs at St Bonaventure... one of them has their bubble burst with a loss on Wednesday.
St Bonaventure yes St Josephs maybe not. They could still be in the conversation with some deep conference tournament success.
Oregon State is @ USC - USC is hanging right with Valpo in the RPI; so this would be a big win for the Beavers and for Valpo.[/quote]
An Oregon, Oregon St sweep puts USC out of the picture and losses to both UCLA and USC eliminates the Beavers as well. Hope for the best.
I hate having to sit back hoping for help!
Teams we want to lose tonight:
Texas Tech (probably already in, but if they lose their final 2-3 games they still might miss the tournament)
Notre Dame (more they lose the more it hurts Monmouth, in case an at large choice comes down to us vs. them)
VCU
St. Bonaventure (I think St. Joe is in already)
Butler
Alabama
UCLA (Oregon needs to keep winning - UCLA is not going to make the tournament regardless)
USC (lost 5 out of last 6. If they lose a few more they are going to be out. Also hurts Monmouth since they played them twice. Oregon State winning helps us. This is the biggest game of the night for any slim hopes of an at-large.)
Funny how Sagarin has us ranked at 42 this morning, almost exactly where we are in the RPI.
Nothing would be sweeter than a Valpo-USC matchup. The armour would be amazing.
Go Saders and Fight On!
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 02, 2016, 07:48:40 AMUSC (lost 5 out of last 6. If they lose a few more they are going to be out. Also hurts Monmouth since they played them twice. Oregon State winning helps us. This is the biggest game of the night for any slim hopes of an at-large.)
Let's see... how does this work again? We generally want the bubble as weak as possible, so we'd like all the bubble teams to lose.
And we'd like our opponents to win, to boost their RPI (and our RPI, for what it matters), and maybe for the cachet of playing/beating tournament teams.
USC vs. Oregon State seems a bit of a conundrum. We'd like the top 50 RPI win, but in an ideal world maybe we'd like _both_ of them out of competition for seeds with us.
USC's recent form has been poor, but people seem to still have them around the 9 line, and Oregon State much closer to the bubble...
(And, hey, RPI Forecast has added conference tournaments! For Oregon State he actually makes the two most likely outcomes as "lose out" and "win one regular season, but otherwise lose out" and both put them RPI 50+. Those two together are less than 50% of the pie, but maybe we should keep rooting for Oregon State wins...)
(As for Valpo.. expected RPI 57 if we lose in the semis, but of course it will matter to who. 57% favorites to win the tournament, expected RPI 28; better RPI than I thought!)
If USC wins their last 2 games and win a game in the Pac12 tournament, they will be in. Right now in Bracketology they are a 9 seed, which easily makes them at large bid.
This has been a great year for both teams.
OK... SL17 ... let's see how it's going...RED - Not Good, GREEN - Good,
Teams we want to lose tonight:
Texas Tech loses to Huggin's Mountaineers 90-68
Notre Dame Loses to Miami 68-50
VCU 70-60 winners over Davidson
St. Bonaventure (I think St. Joe is in already) - Bonnies 98-90 over the Hawks.
Butler Dawgs up 15 at the half
Alabama
UCLA (Oregon needs to keep winning - UCLA is not going to make the tournament regardless)
USC (lost 5 out of last 6. If they lose a few more they are going to be out. Also hurts Monmouth since they played them twice. Oregon State winning helps us. This is the biggest game of the night for any slim hopes of an at-large.)
Stony Brook (24-6) won their opening round game in the America East, 86-76 over UMES
Albany (24-8) OUT in the first round of the America East, losing to Hartford 68-59.
using the current RPI as a comparison...
This is a pretty wide range...
Arkansas-LittleRock 25 3 0.5902 35 SOS 228
Notre Dame 19 10 0.5901 36 SOS 28
Saint Mary's 24 4 0.5894 37 SOS 156
Wichita State 22 7 0.5885 38 SOS 102
South Dakota State 21 7 0.5882 39 SOS 136
Tulsa 19 10 0.5881 40 SOS 43
South Carolina 22 6 0.5878 41 SOS 123
Akron 22 7 0.5875 42 SOS 133
Valparaiso 24 5 0.5867 43 SOS 167
USC 19 10 0.5862 44 SOS 44
Virginia Commonwealth 22 8 0.5852 45 SOS 81
Providence 20 9 0.583 46 SOS 54
Pittsburgh 19 9 0.5823 47 SOS 39
San Diego State 20 8 0.582 48 SOS 77
Vanderbilt 19 11 0.5819 49 SOS 41
Cincinnati 21 8 0.5800 50 SOS 93
Yale 19 6 0.5792 51 SOS 160
Monmouth 25 6 0.5782 52 SOS 177
OK... SL17 ... let's see how it's going...RED - Not Good, GREEN - Good,
Teams we want to lose tonight:
Texas Tech loses to Huggin's Mountaineers 90-68
Notre Dame Loses to Miami 68-50
VCU 70-60 winners over Davidson
St. Bonaventure (I think St. Joe is in already) - Bonnies 98-90 over the Hawks.
Butler Dawgs 85-78 over the Hall
Alabama loses to the Razorbacks 62-61
Oregon beats UCLA 76-68
USC BEAT Oregon State 81-70
Stony Brook (24-6) won their opening round game in the America East, 86-76 over UMES
Albany (24-8) OUT in the first round of the America East, losing to Hartford 68-59.
RPI Thursday morning, showing gain/loss in last 24-hours.
34 Oregon State -2
Pac 12 (8-9)
35 Arkansas-Little Rock 1
Sun Belt (17-2)
36 Notre Dame -6
ACC (10-7)
37 Saint Mary's College 10
West Coast (15-3)
38 USC 5
Pac 12 (9-8)
39 Tulsa 1
American Athletic (11-6)
40 South Dakota State 1
The Summit League (12-4)
41 Akron 7
Mid-American (12-5)
42 Wichita State -5
Missouri Valley (16-2)
43 South Carolina -5
SEC (10-6)
44 Valparaiso -2
Horizon League (16-2)
45 Providence -1
Big East (9-8)
46 Virginia Commonwealth
Atlantic 10 (14-3)
47 San Diego State 11
Mountain West (15-2)
48 Pittsburgh -9
ACC (9-8)
49 Butler 6
Big East (9-8)
50 Vanderbilt -1
SEC (11-6)
51 Cincinnati -1
American Athletic (11-5)
52 Yale -1
Ivy League (11-1)
53 Temple 6
American Athletic (12-4)
54 Monmouth
MAAC (17-3)
Why Oregon State is ahead of USC in the RPI is beyond me. If you take the eyeball test, USC is better, and Valpo is better than both.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 03, 2016, 09:02:14 AM
Why Oregon State is ahead of USC in the RPI is beyond me. If you take the eyeball test, USC is better, and Valpo is better than both.
Remember, your RPI is more dependant on your opponents' winning percentage (50%) than your opponent's opponents' winning percentage (25%). A game vs Valpo boosts RPI more than, say Wichita State, whom has a couple more losses, despite having a better RPI. This may account for only a couple RPI positions, but it shows how looking at individual opponents RPIs can be misleading. Thus, raw SOS becomes a big boost to your RPI - Oregon State's SOS right now is 5, while USC's SOS is 42.
So yeah, RPI can suck. My biggest gripe is that a 351 RPI team negatively impacts RPI way more than a 251 RPI team - even if you win both games by double digits. There's probably a negligible difference between the winning percentage of a top 100 RPI team playing the 250 RPI team vs the 350 RPI team. RPI implies the same gap from 50 to 150 to 250 to 350 - I feel there's a lot smaller gap between 300 and 350 than there is between 1 and 50.
Sometimes you just gotta stay away from metrics and do the good old eye ball test.
In football, Iowa had great metrics and people had them as a powerhouse, and then reality hit when the Trees went to work.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 03, 2016, 10:17:43 AMIn football, Iowa had great metrics and people had them as a powerhouse, and then reality hit when the Trees went to work.
About 4 seconds after they went to work!
I think Valpo seriously needs to at least win the semifinal game if there is any shot of an at large bid. I would really be peeved if they do not make it; I think they can pull an upset or two.
USC is a one and done team.
From the CBS Sports website
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Oregon State's Tres Tinkle will not play Saturday against UCLA due to a foot injury, Wayne Tinkle told CBS Sports.
Tres Tinkle suffered the injury on Tuesday night prior to Wednesday's loss at USC.
"Not looking good," Wayne Tinkle told CBS Sports by text message. "Need to get home and have team docs evaluate."
If Tres Tinkle cannot play in the Pac-12 Tournament it could be a blow to the Beavers' NCAA Tournament hopes. Oregon State is 17-11 overall and 8-9 in Pac-12 play.
Tres Tinkle is averaging 13.1 points and 5.4 rebounds this season.
Thursday, 3/3
UMass @ Rhode Island (16-13) 68 UMass 50
Drake @ Missouri State... Please Bears... win a game...8:30pm CT Tip
Others:
UAB (25-5) 77 Florida International 60... Blazer RPI 73
Appalachian State 69 UALR 63
SFAustin (Mid Major #7) @ Northwestern State-Demons RPI is #345...SFA would accept a bid to the Horizon right now. - SFA up 6 early
Hawaii @ UCDavis; Rainbow Warriors are MidMajor #8, 9PM CT Tip
Cal Poly @ UCIrvine (22-8), 10:30CT Tip
Last Game of the Season
APPALACHIAN STATE, RPI #285 BEATS ARK-LITTLE ROCK, RPI 35, 69-63
UALR FALLS TO 27-4
The Trojans still get the double-bye as the #1 seed (ULM is #2)
http://sunbeltsports.org/documents/2015/10/21/2016_Men_s_BKB_Bracket.pdf (http://sunbeltsports.org/documents/2015/10/21/2016_Men_s_BKB_Bracket.pdf)
Quote from: talksalot on March 03, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Last Game of the Season
APPALACHIAN STATE, RPI #285 BEATS ARK-LITTLE ROCK, RPI 35, 69-63
UALR FALLS TO 27-4
The Trojans still get the double-bye as the #1 seed (ULM is #2)
http://sunbeltsports.org/documents/2015/10/21/2016_Men_s_BKB_Bracket.pdf (http://sunbeltsports.org/documents/2015/10/21/2016_Men_s_BKB_Bracket.pdf)
For those that think our losses to Wright State are a disaster or narrowly winning both games in Wisconsin is unsettling... would you prefer something like this? You just cannot lose to a low RPI team like Appalachian State (whose best win is #179 Georgia State!) on the final night of the regular season. Not only must they win the Sun Belt to make the NCAA tourney, but I would even bet that a loss in the Sun Belt tournament could knock them out of a home game in the NIT with a loss like this. Must be completely demoralizing right before starting the heart of March Madness.
Thursday, 3/3
UMass @ Rhode Island (16-13) 68 UMass 50
Missouri State (13-18) 69 Drake 67
Others:
UAB (25-5) 77 Florida International 60... Blazer RPI 73
Appalachian State 69 UALR 63
SFAustin 95 @ Northwestern State-Demons 55 SFA RPI Falls to 80, NWState went up to #339 !
Hawaii 67 UCDavis 65 ; Rainbow Warriors RPI is 88, UCDavis is up to #283
UCIrvine (23-8) 72 Cal Poly 62 , UCI RPI is now 66; Cal Poly is 238. Anteaters play @ LBState on Saturday.
and the Morning After... RPI of teams within our realm of ranking... and the team "Change" since yesterday (ie., Baylor is 20-9 (-1<since yesterday)
24 Baylor 20-9 -1
Big 12 (10-7)
25 Saint Joseph's 24-6 1
Atlantic 10 (13-4)
26 Texas Tech 18-11 -2
Big 12 (8-9)
27 Arizona 23-7 2
Pac 12 (11-6)
28 Iowa 20-9 -6
Big Ten (11-6)
29 Saint Bonaventure 21-7 6
Atlantic 10 (13-4)
30 Colorado 20-9 -2
Pac 12 (10-7)
31 Princeton 19-5 3
Ivy League (10-1)
32 Wisconsin 20-10 1
Big Ten (12-5)
33 Seton Hall 21-8 -2
Big East (11-6)
34 Oregon State 16-11 -2
Pac 12 (8-9)
35 USC 20-10 8
Pac 12 (9-8)
36 Notre Dame 19-10 -6
ACC (10-7)
37 Saint Mary's College 24-4 10
West Coast (15-3)
38 Akron 22-7 10
Mid-American (12-5)
39 Wichita State 22-7 -2
Missouri Valley (16-2)
40 South Dakota State 21-7 1
The Summit League (12-4)
41 Valparaiso 24-5 1
Horizon League (16-2)
42 Tulsa 19-10 -2
American Athletic (11-6)
43 Providence 21-9 1
Big East (9-8)
44 Virginia Commonwealth 22-8 2
Atlantic 10 (14-3)
45 Pittsburgh 19-9 -6
ACC (9-8)
46 Butler 20-9 +9
Big East (9-8)
47 Vanderbilt 19-11 2
SEC (11-6)
48 San Diego State 20-8 10
Mountain West (15-2)
49 Arkansas-Little Rock 25-4 -13
Sun Belt (17-3)
50 Yale 19-6 1
Ivy League (11-1)
51 Cincinnati 21-9 -1
American Athletic (11-6)
52 Monmouth 25-6 1
MAAC (17-3)
53 Connecticut 20-10 -1
American Athletic (10-7)
54 Temple 19-10 5
American Athletic (13-4)
55 Hofstra 21-8 5
Colonial Athletic (14-4)
56 Florida 17-13 -11
SEC (8-9)
57 Syracuse 19-11 -3
ACC (9-8)
58 Michigan 19-10 -2
Big Ten (10-7)
59 South Carolina 22-7 -21
SEC (10-7)
60 George Washington 22-8
Atlantic 10 (11-6)
SFA is a very well coached team. They are not as talented at Valpo but more fundamentally sound.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 04, 2016, 10:19:10 AMSFA is a very well coached team. They are not as talented at Valpo but more fundamentally sound.
17-0 in conference including 8-0 on the road with one more road game @ Sam Houston State (RPI 170)
They have won their last 6 conference games:
By 38
By 35
By 21
By 28
By 26
By 40
They have the longest current winning streak... 17
They have the 4th longest current Home winning streak ... 28 (T with UAB)
They have the longest current Road Winning streak ... 8
Their 5 losses:
@#24 Baylor by 42
@#94 Northern Iowa by 10
N#249 Tulane at the Challenge in Music City by 1
@#84 Arizona State by 7
@#73 UAB by 10
SFA plays in the Southland, one of the weakest conferences in the country. Decent in football, but not basketball. Lamar used to have decent teams, and NW St. upset Iowa when they were a 3 seed about 10 years back.
You can appreciate about basketball technique when watching SFA play.
Loyola's hanging on to a lead against Wichita State, early in Arch Madness. Up 5 with 6:12 to go. Not actually sure how much a Wichita State loss would help us... It might push their RPI below ours. But, most bracketologists and the AP and ESPN/USA Today voters seem pretty impressed by them.
Frankly, looking at their record, I wonder how big the difference is between a 9 seed and a 12. They've avoided bad losses (currently @105 Illinois State is their worst, Loyola at 240 would be their worst by far) but mostly have a bunch of wins against the RPI 90-130 set. They're 1-5 against the top 75 in the RPI, with their only win coming in Wichita against Utah.
Some of their losses were without VanVleet - but don't they have to prove they can beat somebody? Is this mostly an "eye test" team? They are KenPom #8, and have taken over our #1 defensive slot. But, they don't seem head and shoulders above us, resumee wise...
I can at least see how the mid-major coaches poll could make it a toss-up, or perhaps put us ahead.
(And now Wichita State goes on a little 6-0 run to pull within a point, 4:14 to play.)
And Wichita State started hitting their shots, and Loyola missing theirs. Like good teams and bad (or at least average) teams do, perhaps. VanVleet missed a FT, but WSU's probably going to win this comfortably... Up 5 under a minute to play.
Friday 3/4
Ball State @ Northern Illinois... both are 19-11. Cardinals are 10-7 in MAC; Huskies are 8-9 and are favored by 2 at home
Missouri State vs Evansville... probably the last game of the year for the 13-18 Bears.
Austin Peay @ Belmont, Bruins favored by 10 in the OVC Semi-Final in Nashville
Indiana State vs Illinois State... probably the last game of the year for the 14-16 Sycamores
Canisius vs Iona - quarterfinal MAAC @ Albany
Other Friday Games for consideration....
SIU 22-9 vs. Northern Iowa, both 11-7 in MVC
Yale (20-6) @ Cornell
Princeton (20-5) @ Harvard
Kent State @ Akron (23-7)
Wichita State, RPI 39 coming in; Loyola 240 coming in...
Final: Wichita State 66 Loyola 58... ramblers are put out to pasture 15-17 on the year.
Quote from: talksalot on March 04, 2016, 02:21:29 PMWichita State, RPI 39 coming in; Loyola 240 coming in...
and the Nolan updated figures have Wichita moving up to 37 and Loyola closing out at 239... so the neutral site game against a lesser opponent did not hurt the Shockers....
Another 200+ RPI season - that Chicago potential paying off for the MVC!
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Another 200+ RPI season - that Chicago potential paying off for the MVC!
Not sure how much it's worth, but it got the Arch Madness quarterfinals onto CSN Chicago... (And blacked out on ESPN3 in Valpo/Chicago.)
Quote from: agibson on March 04, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Another 200+ RPI season - that Chicago potential paying off for the MVC!
Not sure how much it's worth, but it got the Arch Madness quarterfinals onto CSN Chicago... (And blacked out on ESPN3 in Valpo/Chicago.)
Maybe that's the reason it was blacked out in Indy!
it is a shame Valpo did not get into the Valley and Loyola did.
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 04, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Another 200+ RPI season - that Chicago potential paying off for the MVC!
Not sure how much it's worth, but it got the Arch Madness quarterfinals onto CSN Chicago... (And blacked out on ESPN3 in Valpo/Chicago.)
Maybe that's the reason it was blacked out in Indy!
You got the wrong service then. I saw the WSU/Loyola game on ESPN3.
Quote from: agibson on March 04, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Another 200+ RPI season - that Chicago potential paying off for the MVC!
Not sure how much it's worth, but it got the Arch Madness quarterfinals onto CSN Chicago... (And blacked out on ESPN3 in Valpo/Chicago.)
Well they've had that for years with the MVC TV network that broadcasts games on FSN Midwest, CSN Chicago, and a few other RSN's. In fairness to Loyola they did go 24-13 last year and win the CBI despite having their leading scorer out over 10 games with injuries. I think they can get a competitive program going in the MVC in the next few years. I like Moser's scheduling strategy of playing MAC, HL, and nearby big schools like ND a lot more than some of the other HL and MVC coaches who are either all in on scheduling tons of unwinnable power 5 teams or paying terrible teams to come give them wins. This is also an area where Bryce has excelled during his time at Valpo with getting games against UNM, SLU, RI, and others. It really helps to have meaningful and also winnable games during the non-conf season to help with recruiting, building a winning culture, and building/maintaining a fan base.
In response to your earlier "don't they have to prove they can beat somebody?" question about WSU, they did beat the #8 RPI team by 17 points, which is a far better win than any that Valpo has. When you look at all of the other analytics besides RPI (KenPom 10 vs 31, Non-Con SOS 23 vs 57, Total SOS 120 vs 160) there are typically large gaps between WSU and Valpo, which is why the projected seeds are where they are currently at. It's a lot more than an eye test difference in my opinion.
Quote from: mvandersee on March 04, 2016, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 04, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Another 200+ RPI season - that Chicago potential paying off for the MVC!
Not sure how much it's worth, but it got the Arch Madness quarterfinals onto CSN Chicago... (And blacked out on ESPN3 in Valpo/Chicago.)
Well they've had that for years with the MVC TV network that broadcasts games on FSN Midwest, CSN Chicago, and a few other RSN's. In fairness to Loyola they did go 24-13 last year and win the CBI despite having their leading scorer out over 10 games with injuries. I think they can get a competitive program going in the MVC in the next few years. I like Moser's scheduling strategy of playing MAC, HL, and nearby big schools like ND a lot more than some of the other HL and MVC coaches who are either all in on scheduling tons of unwinnable power 5 teams or paying terrible teams to come give them wins. This is also an area where Bryce has excelled during his time at Valpo with getting games against UNM, SLU, RI, and others. It really helps to have meaningful and also winnable games during the non-conf season to help with recruiting, building a winning culture, and building/maintaining a fan base.
In response to your earlier "don't they have to prove they can beat somebody?" question about WSU, they did beat the #8 RPI team by 17 points, which is a far better win than any that Valpo has. When you look at all of the other analytics besides RPI (KenPom 10 vs 31, Non-Con SOS 23 vs 57, Total SOS 120 vs 160) there are typically large gaps between WSU and Valpo, which is why the projected seeds are where they are currently at. It's a lot more than an eye test difference in my opinion.
It shouldn't be all that surprising. When you can charter your players to literally every road game and take in $4-5 million a year in athletic donations, you're probably going to recruit better and afford better neutral court tournaments.
I'm not denying that Wichita State is better this year, but they had 5 opportunities against top 50 teams, 2 on neutral courts. And they won 1 of those games. Valpo's OOC RPI was 17 vs WSU's 80 OOC RPI. Valpo isn't rating out well in various rankings because their conference metrics are so :censored:. UIC alone is responsible for at least 14 RPI positions. Wichita State was well outside the bubble and worked their way in with two losses. Valpo was in the bubble and probably worked their way out with two losses in conference.
Don't quite know where to put this as it concerns one of the mid majors we are doing rpibattle with.
Caught a flight from Oakland to Las Vegas on Southwest Airlines this morning with the St. Mary's College Gaels. Amusing observations:
If you are familiar with SWA, you know that there is no assigned seating and they board by groups and boarding numbers. I boarded with group A16 - A30. But in between A15 and A16 was "special boarding." That was for 6 SMC forwards (all 6-8 or taller). They took all the front bulkhead seats and the emergency row. ;D
The rest of the team (the short guys) boarded in the last group, group "C" (which stands for 'center' as in center seats). ;)
The team has only two black players, both of whom boarded with the short guys. 8-)
Overall they impressed me as a nice group of young men.
They were on their way to the WCC Tournament, which starts today with a play-in game and ends with the final game on Tuesday (they have a day break between the semi and the final). It is a traditional bracket after the single game play in.
The tourney is in Las Vegas -- a truly neutral location, as there are no conference schools in the state of Nevada (conference schools are in CA, OR, WA, AND UT) and all teams are forced to fly in because of the distances involved -- no 30 minute bus trips from local schools here.
Just thought I'd share this for grins.
Back to Valpo and the HL. GO CRUSADERS!
Friday 3/4
Northern Illinois 80 Ball State (19-12) 69
Evansville 66 Missouri State (13-19) 56 bye bye bears
# 8 seed, RPI 207 Austin Peay 97 Belmont 96... Belmont to the NIT... APSU taken out seeds 5,4 and 1 to advance to the title game
Indiana State vs Illinois State... the end of the 14-16 Sycamores, last game tonight at the Arch
Canisius vs Iona - quarterfinal MAAC @ Albany, about to tip in Albany for the MAAC Quarters
Other Friday Games for consideration....
Northern Iowa (20-12) 66 SIU (22-10) 60 RPI 86 over RPI 133
Yale (20-6) 88 Cornell 64.... Eli now 21-6 and 12-1 in the Ivy, at Columbia tomorrow night, ELI RPI up to 51
Harvard 73 Princeton (20-6, 10-2) 71... Loss dropped the Tigers to RPI 39 @ Dartmouth and Home to Penn next week.
Akron (24-7) 74 Kent State 60
Well Belmont just lost 97-96 in OT, the game-winning tip-in came after the buzzer...
and with that... plus the way the MAC games have gone... Valpo's RPI is back down to 43
Iona up 15 at the half over Canisius in the MAAC Quarters
Indiana State up 7 on Illinois State at the half under the Arch
We're 3 days into conference tournament season and there's been 3 regular season champions that lost already (UNF technically still alive). The NIT is going to be already filled up by Selection Sunday.
Iona (20-10) 73 Canisius 55 onto the semi's for the Gaels on Sunday
AND VALPO PICKS UP A T-100 WIN... the Gaels have climbs from 104 to 98 on the win!
Indiana State (15-16) 65 Illinois State 57
before the ISU final after
South Dakota State 0.5873 40 0.5870 40
Tulsa 0.5864 41 0.5867 41
Providence 0.5860 42 0.5860 43
Valparaiso 0.5857 43 0.5860 42
Virginia Common 0.5850 44 0.5850 44
Thank you Sycamores
A huge game for USC today against Oregon. A win over Duckzilla puts them in the tournament as a lock.
Quote from: talksalot on March 04, 2016, 10:57:55 PM
before the ISU final after
South Dakota State 0.5873 40 0.5870 40
Tulsa 0.5864 41 0.5867 41
Providence 0.5860 42 0.5860 43
Valparaiso 0.5857 43 0.5860 42
Virginia Common 0.5850 44 0.5850 44
Thank you Sycamores
But we also lose a top 100 win as Belmont falls to 101.
Down go the Shockers! Doesn't help the bubble but if we get in it helps our seed!
Had no clue where to put this but Wichita State loses in Arch Madness Semifinal to Northern Iowa. Just shocking!!
Already 3 regular season conference champions losing in their conference tourneys!!!
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Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Had no clue where to put this but Wichita State loses in Arch Madness Semifinal to Northern Iowa. Just shocking!!
Already 3 regular season conference champions losing in their conference tourneys!!!
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Technically 4, but North Florida is still alive.
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2016, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Had no clue where to put this but Wichita State loses in Arch Madness Semifinal to Northern Iowa. Just shocking!!
Already 3 regular season conference champions losing in their conference tourneys!!!
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Technically 4, but North Florida is still alive.
Ah. Just saw that High Point lost today. Was only counting North Florida, Belmont, and Wichita State. The NIT is just going to be swamped with mid-majors this year. Hope that we aren't one of them!
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Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2016, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Had no clue where to put this but Wichita State loses in Arch Madness Semifinal to Northern Iowa. Just shocking!!
Already 3 regular season conference champions losing in their conference tourneys!!!
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Technically 4, but North Florida is still alive.
Ah. Just saw that High Point lost today. Was only counting North Florida, Belmont, and Wichita State. The NIT is just going to be swamped with mid-majors this year. Hope that we aren't one of them!
Bucknell
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Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2016, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Had no clue where to put this but Wichita State loses in Arch Madness Semifinal to Northern Iowa. Just shocking!!
Already 3 regular season conference champions losing in their conference tourneys!!!
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Technically 4, but North Florida is still alive.
Ah. Just saw that High Point lost today. Was only counting North Florida, Belmont, and Wichita State. The NIT is just going to be swamped with mid-majors this year. Hope that we aren't one of them!
Bucknell
Yup. Bucknell, too...
Well, unless Stetson upsets FGCU and/or the NCAA Committee looks kindly onto the Shockers, 5 of the 32 NIT bids are already set, while no NCAA bids have been claimed by tournament winners as of 5:15pm CT today.
Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 05:17:08 PMwhile no NCAA bids have been claimed by tournament winners as of 5:15pm CT today.
First bids to be handed out:
Ohio Valley (currently airing on ESPN2) Champion - UT-Martin or Austin Peay
Ivy League Champion - a Yale win (at 10-3 Columbia) OR a Princeton loss (at 4-9 Dartmouth) clinches it for Yale - both games tip at 6:00 Central
Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PMHad no clue where to put this but Wichita State loses in Arch Madness Semifinal to Northern Iowa. Just shocking!!
Don't worry, it's not a bad loss. But, it's not going to help their seeding....
Quote from: valpocleveland on March 05, 2016, 02:24:02 PMBut we also lose a top 100 win as Belmont falls to 101.
Per which site?
WarrenNolan had them hanging in the top 100 after the loss yesterday.
And has them at 96 currently.
Quote from: agibson on March 05, 2016, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: valpocleveland on March 05, 2016, 02:24:02 PMBut we also lose a top 100 win as Belmont falls to 101.
Per which site?
WarrenNolan had them hanging in the top 100 after the loss yesterday.
And has them at 96 currently.
NCAA has them at 94
Quote from: valpocleveland on March 05, 2016, 04:57:52 PMDown go the Shockers! Doesn't help the bubble but if we get in it helps our seed!
If we win out we will be ahead of the MVC tourney champ and might be ahead of Wichita St too (too close to call)? It will be interesting how closely the selection committee weighs losses associated with player injuries. Properly weighted this might help both Wichita St and VU.
As for bubble hopes this is a real blow unless maybe our turned ankles contribute to a loss? Needless to say I have less than complete faith in the NCAA brain ??? trust.
Oral Roberts up by 12 over South Dakota State early in the 2nd half. SDSU's current RPI is 38.
#8 seed Austin Peay takes the OVC. Yale takes the Ivy.
Oral Roberts choked that one away. South Dakota State is an example of a team being much worse than their RPI indicates.
UNI is a team you cannot figure out. They defeated North Carolina, Wichita St. and Iowa State, bit had a stretch where they lost to some weak teams. They are 21-12 and have won 11 out of their last 12. A hot team indeed.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 05, 2016, 10:39:45 PM
UNI is a team you cannot figure out. They defeated North Carolina, Wichita St. and Iowa State, bit had a stretch where they lost to some weak teams. They are 21-12 and have won 11 out of their last 12. A hot team indeed.
4-1 against the RPI top 50 sure looks shiny.
North Carolina, Iowa State neutral (I guess), Wichita State neutral, Wichita State in Wichita.
But a pile of bad losses. Loyola home and away, Missouri State. 20-12 overall, RPI 79. Hopefully no threat, if they hang on.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 05, 2016, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 05, 2016, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: valpocleveland on March 05, 2016, 02:24:02 PMBut we also lose a top 100 win as Belmont falls to 101.
Per which site?
WarrenNolan had them hanging in the top 100 after the loss yesterday.
And has them at 96 currently.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html)
101 this morning.
NCAA has them at 94
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Oral Roberts choked that one away. South Dakota State is an example of a team being much worse than their RPI indicates.
Poor IPFW (the #1 seed). I clicked on ESPN3 for the last 70 seconds of that one. Did you see that home crowd for SDSU? That was one hostile environment for Oral Roberts. IPFW will struggle in the environment if they play them in the championship game.
Boy, the Ducks and Beavers are doing their part to help us out. The Ducks, who we lost to by only 6, are the PAC-12 regular season champs (condolences usc4). OSU, who we beat, just beat UCLA.
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Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Oral Roberts choked that one away. South Dakota State is an example of a team being much worse than their RPI indicates.
Poor IPFW (the #1 seed). I clicked on ESPN3 for the last 70 seconds of that one. Did you see that home crowd for SDSU? That was one hostile environment for Oral Roberts. IPFW will struggle in the environment if they play them in the championship game.
That's what I'm afraid of if we and Oakland make it to championship game.
The Rhode Island loss at Fordham moved their RPI very little to #106. In their tournament they will face #181 UMass for the right to face #40 2 seed VCU. A win against VCU might put them against #3 seed St Bonaventure. This is not the best path for advancement but neither is it the worst.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 06, 2016, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Oral Roberts choked that one away. South Dakota State is an example of a team being much worse than their RPI indicates.
Poor IPFW (the #1 seed). I clicked on ESPN3 for the last 70 seconds of that one. Did you see that home crowd for SDSU? That was one hostile environment for Oral Roberts. IPFW will struggle in the environment if they play them in the championship game.
That's what I'm afraid of if we and Oakland make it to championship game.
Oregon landed the Pac-12 top seed and will play the winner of #82 Washington vs #74 Stanford. Oregon St with the 6 seed meets the 11 seed #96 Arizona St. The winner of that game will play 3 seed RPI #15 Cal.
no worries 62. USC is getting better but not at Oregon's level. I think if USC wins a tournament game they will be in.
I also think if Valpo makes to the HL finals, they will be in. But I would rather see them win the tourney and make the Kampmeister hate life.
Hate life?
From everything I've seen in the last two years that guy embraces it. He is a singular character. But.....................id rather have Bryce.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 06, 2016, 06:11:22 PMI think if USC wins a tournament game they will be in.
I also think if Valpo makes to the HL finals, they will be in.
Without looking it up again I believe USC plays UCLA (2-0) for the right to play Utah. So yes 1 win makes it a high probability but a loss to UCLA makes for a nerve-racking bubble watch.
If Skara and or Walker are of little or no help with non major ankle issues then who knows how the committee might address it.
Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2016, 06:53:55 PMIf Skara and or Walker are of little or no help with non major ankle issues then who knows how the committee might address it.
They'll pick a team that went 9-9 in a power league and justify it by saying that they had more top 100 wins, despite that they were 6-11 against the top 100 and refuse to play anyone in the non-conference and won't play on the road.
Just win the damn thing in Detroit and we don't have to worry about anything.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 06, 2016, 06:57:33 PMThey'll pick a team that went 9-9 in a power league and justify it by saying that they had more top 100 wins, despite that they were 6-11 against the top 100 and refuse to play anyone in the non-conference and won't play on the road.
Ok I'll be ready selection Sunday to arm up and fall in behind you. I know I can sling crap uphill just as good as you can and possibly much better.
Wobble :o Wobble :thumbsup: Wobble
Even if we win out and are handed a 12 seed I am ready for a fight. It wouldn't be the first I have lost.
Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2016, 08:31:16 PMEven if we win out and are handed a 12 seed I am ready for a fight. It wouldn't be the first I have lost.
I'm basically prepared for the 12 seed. A 13 would take some adjustment.
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2016, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2016, 08:31:16 PMEven if we win out and are handed a 12 seed I am ready for a fight. It wouldn't be the first I have lost.
I'm basically prepared for the 12 seed. A 13 would take some adjustment.
With the upsets already on the books, if we don't get an 11 we will have been screwed.
9-9 in the Pac12 is pretty good.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 06, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
9-9 in the Pac12 is pretty good.
Valpo would have been better than 9-9 in the Pac12.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 06, 2016, 09:50:30 PM9-9 in the Pac12 is pretty good.
We are much better than 9-9 Washington, slightly better than 9-9 Oregon St and equal to 9-9 USC.
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2016, 08:39:20 PMI'm basically prepared for the 12 seed.
Man up! If you do not think a 12 seed is justified then you should not be prepared to quietly accept it.
Looks like the only two HL teams playing post season are Green Bay and Valpo. Oakland is wanting the Vegas 16 but that tournament may not develop. This was a bad year for the HL and it hurt Valpo in one of it's better years.