Just starting the string after The Grizz lost to YSU.
Tonight's loss to YSU really puts the pressure on Oakland to win Friday. Back to back home losses this early in conference play would put them in a deep hole, especially considering that they play 9 of their final 14 games on the road. I don't know anything about tonight's loss except the final score, but no matter. If the team I watched take Michigan State to the wire shows up on Friday (which I expect), we had better bring our A game.
Quote from: wh on January 04, 2016, 11:47:01 PMIf the team I watched take Michigan State to the wire shows up on Friday (which I expect), we had better bring our A game.
If any of our players haven't watched that game then it needs to be force fed on the trip over. I am expecting an insane VU defensive effort because there is no other clear path to victory.
After tonight the Oakland defense will be intense as well. So will great defensive performances by both teams be able to keep the score in the low 80s or below? I wouldn't bet on it.
We will get Oaklands best effort. The same they gave Michigan St.
And this trip is so tough because after the first battle Detroit lurks in the alley waiting to mug us.
Here's the OU game discussion and box score...
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010416aab.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010416aab.html)
YSU was 60% from 3pt range in the first half, and 12-14 from the line for the game. We will need to be just as perfect on Friday night.
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here's the UDM game discussion on their game last night with Cleveland State
http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2016/1/4/MBB_0104163449.aspx (http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2016/1/4/MBB_0104163449.aspx)
The Titans have now won 11 in a row (12 after they play UIC on Friday) at Calihan. They were 28-42 from the LINE! 54 total fouls called for the game, CSU lost two players, UDM finished with 6 players with 3 fouls each. They also had 12 offensive rebounds.
Quote from: talksalot on January 05, 2016, 10:13:41 AM
Here's the OU game discussion and box score...
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010416aab.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010416aab.html)
YSU was 60% from 3pt range in the first half, and 12-14 from the line for the game. We will need to be just as perfect on Friday night.
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here's the UDM game discussion on their game last night with Cleveland State
http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2016/1/4/MBB_0104163449.aspx (http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2016/1/4/MBB_0104163449.aspx)
The Titans have now won 11 in a row (12 after they play UIC on Friday) at Calihan. They were 28-42 from the LINE! 54 total fouls called for the game, CSU lost two players, UDM finished with 6 players with 3 fouls each. They also had 12 offensive rebounds.
Interesting that their board is saying Kampe was out coached. That is really saying something when Slocum out coaches you. Kampe's teams have a way of laying eggs from time to time-=(last year's quarter final loss to UIC comes to mind) Unfortunately, they don't lay eggs against us.
Slocum just sat there with his chin in his hand the whole game. The cameras showed him at one point and my 9 year old asked me if that guy was sleeping.
Yeah he has been sleeping for several years now....
Spoke to E. Victor's mom at the Nashville game and the goal was for him to be ready for the Oakland game. What defense will have more impact, zone or man? If we go man, do we put speed or size on Felder? If he get's to the lane we have a shot blocker advantage.
I don't think the defense we play will matter all that much; Oakland will probably see both the man and the match up zone we play. I think you run a variety of guys at Felder (unless one thing is working). Probably start with Carter then go to Nickerson and/or TWalker and see what is most effective.
YSU may have caught Oakland looking ahead - I hope that we are up for their A game. I think we'll do well with their up-tempo game, especially with our defense and depth. We hit our FTs and win!
Valpo 77
Oakland 73
We then make the trip to Detroit and play sluggishly in the first half, but are able to pull out the win.
Valpo 75
Detroit 72
Quote from: HC on January 05, 2016, 11:01:47 AM
I don't think the defense we play will matter all that much; Oakland will probably see both the man and the match up zone we play. I think you run a variety of guys at Felder (unless one thing is working). Probably start with Carter then go to Nickerson and/or TWalker and see what is most effective.
An interesting game for sure. The number one offense (86.9 per game) against the number one defense (57.7 per game). That's almost 30 points!!!! My guess is that the game ends up in the 60's. As for defense, I would expect us to go big with Shane, E and David getting plenty of minutes. Other than Gibson, who is huge but didn't play much against YSU, we are a fair amount bigger. Our length coupled with Vashil will put a lot of pressure on Felder as it did last year against Sykes. Felder will get his points but if we force him to take deep 3's we should be able to pull this one out. Valpo 68 Oakland 64.
Kahlil Felder was getting accolades from Dick Vitale last night during the KU-OU game. He had Felder as a first team all-American.
Based on the current stats in the HL website (#= HL rank):
TEAM SCORING OFF SCORING DEF DELTA REBOUNDING MARGIN
Valpo 72.4 (#4) 57.7 (#1) +14.7 5.8 (#1)
Oakland 86.9 (#1) 79.4 (#8) +7.5 4.4 (#2)
Detroit 85.2 (#2) 83.1 (#10) +2.1 3.2 (#3)
All three are in the top 4 in scoring offense but there is a marked gap in scoring defense between Valpo and the two Detroit schools. Still gonna be a whale of a weekend.
Quote from: talksalot on January 05, 2016, 10:13:41 AM
YSU was 60% from 3pt range in the first half, and 12-14 from the line for the game. We will need to be just as perfect on Friday night.
I doubt it - I can't see Valpo giving up 98 points.
Interesting game report from the Oakland men's bb website. No idea who the writer is, but he certainly lays it on the line.
OAKLAND INSIDER BY TERRY FOSTER
A stunning result versus Youngstown State.
Jan. 5, 2016
Twenty one boxes filled with pizza sat on a table outside the Oakland men's basketball dressing room waiting to be devoured. There was one pizza each for every player, manager and coach.
It would be a sour meal however, after a stunning 100-98 loss to Youngstown State on the Blacktop at the O'rena Monday night in front of a stunned crowd and during a season where Oakland proved it can at least play with some of the big boys of college basketball.
The pizza boxes sat and waited for their rightful owners. Golden Grizzlies coach Greg Kampe leaned on the same table as if someone punched him in the gut. And in a way he was. He leaned for the longest time as he thought of what to say to his team and as the horrifying final moments of the game raced inside his head.
He planned on giving his team a victory speech, one that he hoped served as a spring board to Friday's big home showdown against Valparaiso. Instead, he planned a talk to correct a team already on the brink.
He told his team before the game to come out with enthusiasm and energy. It did not, almost immediately falling behind by double digits.
He told players in the second half to not allow the game to come down to an official's call. It did when officials, after a long review, allowed the game-winning tip in by Youngstown 7-foot-0 center Jordan Kaufman who burned Oakland with 18 points and 13 rebounds.
And during the final timeout he told his team not to allow a tip in. And that is exactly how Oakland lost its first Horizon League game to a team with an RPI of 335.
SILENT NIGHT
That is why Kampe leaned against that table as assistants Saddi Washington, Drew Valentine and Dionne Phelps paced the floors like caged Tigers, the click of their dress shoes sounding like a parade of disgust across the hard floors, Kampe is most known for being a mad man on the sidelines. He can tear up a locker room and undress players with the best of them. He was seething so badly that you could cook breakfast on his forehead. But after one of the worse losses in recent Oakland history, he was calm. He spoke in low tones, which were often mixed in with long uncomfortable pauses.
"I can scream but you know what happened," Kampe told his team. "You all know what happened. It all came down to they put 100 on us. Time will tell if this was a bad loss or just a bump in the road. Time will tell. I was envisioning what I was going to say about Valpo. I can't go there now. They are the king."
Something has happened to this team after the nationally televised 99-93 overtime loss to then top-ranked Michigan State at the Palace.
The Black and Gold did not respect Youngstown State (6-9 overall, 1-1 in the Horizon League). This is a team that lost at home to Toledo by 22 points, was pounded 105-46 at Michigan and lost 96-87 at Detroit Mercy. It should have been a game of ground and pound. Instead Oakland played catch up most of the night.
There were some bright spots. Guard Nick Daniels scored 21 points and played like he desperately wanted this game. Kay Felder finished with 23 points and 14 assists, but his six turnovers hurt the team.
This team appears to settle and is trying to win by cutting corners. These are the same guys that stirred a nation by fighting the Spartans tooth and nail. That is nice but the fabric of this team will be spun by what it does against Youngstown State, UDM and Milwaukee.
Inside the dressing room Associate Head Coach Washington broke the silence with a strong and loud voice.
"Every game matters," Washington screamed. "You can't talk yourself into a win. I don't know how many different ways or different times we have to talk about playing with energy, playing with enthusiasm. We blank out for the whole first half. It was almost like we got what we deserved tonight because we tried to cut corners."
THE BENCH MUST STEP UP
Players are playing with swiveled heads. When they make a mistake they look at the bench. And when they are pulled they have a difficult time hiding in their anger. Kampe knows this team better than anybody but these guys don't handle being benched well. After a short hook some seethe and pout. The result is low energy on the floor and low energy on a bench that does not pick up its guys on the floor. Even San Antonio Spurs coach Greg Popovich talked about the importance of bench players rooting on their guys on the court. It is also something the Pistons do a better job of today than before coach Stan Van Gundy arrived here.
"I don't understand that," Washington said. "We talk about family. We talk about being one. It does not matter if you are on the floor or off the floor, we need you. Energy can come from the bench. Enthusiasm can come from the bench too. The end result is we want to win, wait until you get in your damn apartment and pout. You can't do it on the bench."
BAND OF BROTHERS
There were two disturbing things post mortem. Center Percy Gibson did not demand to get back into the game when he was benched for most of the second half. And Sherron Dorsey-Walker, who Kampe calls a glue on the team, barely spoke afterwards.
Gibson should have demanded to get his shot at Kaufman who was too strong and too big for the rest of his teammates. He is a senior and needs to talk more.
"We need you dog," guard Kay Felder said.
And he is right. When opposing big men are beating up smaller people in the paint, Gibson must be in the game ready for action although 6-foot-7 freshman Xavier Hill-Mais did a good job defending the post.
After being prodded by coaches Dorsey-Walker finally said in a soft voice: "You got to show you love this game."
First players need to love themselves and love teammates. They are boys and they hang out and do all the things collegiate teams do. The question is can they put personal problems and anger aside and root for each other?
Can they regain that hunger we saw at the Palace?
The Valpo game is the most important of the season because it is a league game, but it also comes at a critical time where Black and Gold has lost its focus and lost its way. Valpo will be the best team to come to the O'rena this season.
The question is will it face the Bear from the Revenant or a team feeling sorry for itself?
Quote from: HC on January 05, 2016, 10:33:19 AMSlocum just sat there with his chin in his hand the whole game.
The announcers were talking about how sick Slocum has been for the past few days... apparently a flu-like bug...
Quote from: wh on January 05, 2016, 04:25:52 PM
BAND OF BROTHERS
There were two disturbing things post mortem. Center Percy Gibson did not demand to get back into the game when he was benched for most of the second half. And Sherron Dorsey-Walker, who Kampe calls a glue on the team, barely spoke afterwards.
Gibson should have demanded to get his shot at Kaufman who was too strong and too big for the rest of his teammates. He is a senior and needs to talk more.
"We need you dog," guard Kay Felder said.
And he is right. When opposing big men are beating up smaller people in the paint, Gibson must be in the game ready for action although 6-foot-7 freshman Xavier Hill-Mais did a good job defending the post.
After being prodded by coaches Dorsey-Walker finally said in a soft voice: "You got to show you love this game."
First players need to love themselves and love teammates. They are boys and they hang out and do all the things collegiate teams do. The question is can they put personal problems and anger aside and root for each other?
Wait, he wasn't put back into the game because he didn't demand to be put back in? What kind of operation is Kampe running there?
I think we know...defense! Only first class kids...good player?/bad attitude?? It's all good...
If we are the team we think we are...if we are the team others say we are...then we should win this game. And I think we will. But we better be ready for Oakland's "A" game. They are going to bring it on Friday night.
Paul
Hate to keep saying it, but it's not just Oakland. Our players and coaches have to pour 100% into the first game, and regardless of the result (a win hopefully) reload/regroup/rededicate to applying the same sense of urgency and effort in game #2. No sighs of relief if we beat Oakland only to go less than 100% into Detroit. Biggest road trip of the year. It's quite possible that we go 0 for 2 if we don't bring OUR A GAME to both.
Quote from: wh on January 05, 2016, 04:25:52 PMNo idea who the writer is, but he certainly lays it on the line.
Terry Foster, formerly of the Detroit Free Press.
The next three games are a chance to be two games up on Oakland, one game on Detroit and two up on Milwaukee in the next three Games. What else is needed to bring your A Game? lets get it Done!!! VU 74-OU, 63 VU 69- DU 59 and VU 78-WMU 66, now that's joy in Mudville..... :thumbsup:
Also, do they really get a box of pizza to eat after every game? That doesn't seem healthy.
Quote from: VUfan on January 06, 2016, 02:57:16 AM
The next three games are a chance to be two games up on Oakland, one game on Detroit and two up on Milwaukee in the next three Games. What else is needed to bring your A Game? lets get it Done!!! VU 74-OU, 63 VU 69- DU 59 and VU 78-WMU 66, now that's joy in Mudville..... :thumbsup:
Officially the initials are VU, OU, UDM (U of Detroit-Mercy or just Detroit) and UWM (UW-Milwaukee or just Milwaukee)
Floor level highlights from the YSU/OU game in case you didn't want to watch the full game on ESPN3's site.
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/collegesportslive/?media=517883 (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/collegesportslive/?media=517883)
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2711418/size/condensed/ (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2711418/size/condensed/)
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 05, 2016, 10:26:18 PMQuote from: wh on January 05, 2016, 04:25:52 PMNo idea who the writer is, but he certainly lays it on the line.
Terry Foster, formerly of the Detroit Free Press.
Terry Foster was a sports writer for the Detroit Free Press and, most recently, the Detroit News. I believe he was the Pistons beat writer for a while back in the Bad Boys era. He also co-hosts the Valenti and Foster radio show M-F afternoons on one of the Detroit sports stations. The paper wanted him to go back on the Pistons beat full time, but he didn't want to do all the travel (he has kids in high school or younger) or give up the radio gig, so he took an early retirement/buyout deal. He wants to keep writing, so Oakland brought him on board as an "Oakland Insider." As an Oakland fan I'm thrilled not only with the additional coverage by a long-time journalist, but also with the athletics department giving him full access and allowing him to write about what he sees without watering it down or making it a fluff piece. We're lucky to have a reporter in our locker room who has spent time in professional locker rooms.
Quote from: mb230611 on January 06, 2016, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 05, 2016, 10:26:18 PMQuote from: wh on January 05, 2016, 04:25:52 PMNo idea who the writer is, but he certainly lays it on the line.
Terry Foster, formerly of the Detroit Free Press.
Terry Foster was a sports writer for the Detroit Free Press and, most recently, the Detroit News. I believe he was the Pistons beat writer for a while back in the Bad Boys era. He also co-hosts the Valenti and Foster radio show M-F afternoons on one of the Detroit sports stations. The paper wanted him to go back on the Pistons beat full time, but he didn't want to do all the travel (he has kids in high school or younger) or give up the radio gig, so he took an early retirement/buyout deal. He wants to keep writing, so Oakland brought him on board as an "Oakland Insider." As an Oakland fan I'm thrilled not only with the additional coverage by a long-time journalist, but also with the athletics department giving him full access and allowing him to write about what he sees without watering it down or making it a fluff piece. We're lucky to have a reporter in our locker room who has spent time in professional locker rooms.
Good move for Oakland. Good coverage for the HL as well. Need more of that kind of thing across the league. Valpo is lucky in that regard with Paul and Brandon providing insider insights.
This will be our 2nd toughest road trip of the season, with Oregon/Oregon State being the toughest. I do not see us going any worse than 1-1. If we lose to Oakland we will take out our aggression on Detroit and win big. If we beat Oakland the Detroit game will be really close and will come down to the last few possessions.
Detroit will be coming off a probable home win against UIC, but there's no telling what state of mind they will be in or who shows up. One thing for sure is that they are #10 of 10 in HL scoring defense. As long as we play great defense, we should get our shots. Just have to get by OU first -- no easy task.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 06, 2016, 09:30:20 AMGood move for Oakland. Good coverage for the HL as well. Need more of that kind of thing across the league. Valpo is lucky in that regard with Paul and Brandon providing insider insights.
I agree. I enjoy reading the Valpo coverage and appreciate that it often touches on the HL in general. We all want maximum coverage for our individual schools of course, but it's nice to be able to get regular updates concerning the league as a whole without having to condense info from 10 different schools' media sites or forums.
Should we separate game 15 and 16 into their own posts?
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They seem to archive many, maybe all, of them at
http://www.wdfn.com/media/podcast-the-greg-kampe-show-TheGregKampeShow/ (http://www.wdfn.com/media/podcast-the-greg-kampe-show-TheGregKampeShow/)
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 06, 2016, 12:50:15 PM
Should we separate game 15 and 16 into their own posts?
My thought in posting a road trip string with both games was that we only have 1 day between games. I can change this to the Oakland game only (I think) if posters want me to.
Leave it the way it is.
Yeah, I'm kinda thinking this will go heavy on Oakland up to and through post game and then morph into prelim UDM through Sunday's post game.
It's interesting, but not surprising, that for being highly ranked in the various mid-major polls and doing well all season, we seem to get but a passing mention from most in the national media. It's not surprising, of course, because the media is enamored of scoring and loathes fundamental basketball and defense. When they're not busy analyzing Ben Simmons' breakfast and pay a little attention to the mid majors they can't help but gloss over teams who play balanced, effective basketball and focus on the supposed "high-flyers". I get it; it's entertainment. But man, watch this College Insider piece on 5 mid-major contests to see (from Angela Lento, remember her) and listen to the relative lack of superlatives for the Crusaders compared to Oakland and most of the others teams described therein.
http://collegeinsider.com/my-5-video.php (http://collegeinsider.com/my-5-video.php)
It starts with Oakland:
QuoteOakland is one of the top scoring teams in the country and they have one of the nation's best in Kay Felder...
Quote...Iowa State transfer Percy Gibson has given [Grizzlies] a great inside presence...
Then you get to Valpo and you'd think they'd paint a picture of one of the best defensive teams in the nation, favored to win the Horizon, coming off an NCAA Tourney appearance, but you get:
QuoteValpo is lead by junior Alec Peters who lead the Crusaders in points and rebounds...
QuoteLast season Tevonn Walker showed glimpses of stardom as a freshman...the 6 foot 2 sophomore can play.
Cap it off with the puzzling statement below and you've got me laughing:
QuoteThere are five or six teams that can represent the Horizon League in the NCAA Tournament but most people believe that either Oakland or Valparaiso will be dancing
Now, I know that Oakland has been doing a good job in marketing Felder and building their brand around the kind of 98 to 100-point scoring, black-top playing, street-balling type of play that the marketing experts believe the public wants, but is that the difference or is defense THAT boring? All I'll say is that I wish opposing coaches thought our brand of basketball was as un-noteworthy as Angela does. We'd catch everybody by surprise.
Paul just had a good segment on Greg Kampe's coaches show, 1130 AM in Detroit. Homer Drew is on now.
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on January 06, 2016, 06:33:23 PM
Paul just had a good segment on Greg Kampe's coaches show, 1130 AM in Detroit. Homer Drew is on now.
Listen to the show, it is very interesting.
Quote from: vu72 on January 06, 2016, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on January 06, 2016, 06:33:23 PM
Paul just had a good segment on Greg Kampe's coaches show, 1130 AM in Detroit. Homer Drew is on now.
Listen to the show, it is very interesting.
The archive seems to be up already, in two parts
http://www.wdfn.com/media/podcast-the-greg-kampe-show-TheGregKampeShow/ (http://www.wdfn.com/media/podcast-the-greg-kampe-show-TheGregKampeShow/)
Quote from: Valpower on January 06, 2016, 05:53:28 PM
It's interesting, but not surprising, that for being highly ranked in the various mid-major polls and doing well all season, we seem to get but a passing mention from most in the national media. It's not surprising, of course, because the media is enamored of scoring and loathes fundamental basketball and defense. When they're not busy analyzing Ben Simmons' breakfast and pay a little attention to the mid majors they can't help but gloss over teams who play balanced, effective basketball and focus on the supposed "high-flyers". I get it; it's entertainment. But man, watch this College Insider piece on 5 mid-major contests to see (from Angela Lento, remember her) and listen to the relative lack of superlatives for the Crusaders compared to Oakland and most of the others teams described therein.
http://collegeinsider.com/my-5-video.php (http://collegeinsider.com/my-5-video.php)
It starts with Oakland:
QuoteOakland is one of the top scoring teams in the country and they have one of the nation's best in Kay Felder...
Quote...Iowa State transfer Percy Gibson has given [Grizzlies] a great inside presence...
Then you get to Valpo and you'd think they'd paint a picture of one of the best defensive teams in the nation, favored to win the Horizon, coming off an NCAA Tourney appearance, but you get:
QuoteValpo is lead by junior Alec Peters who lead the Crusaders in points and rebounds...
QuoteLast season Tevonn Walker showed glimpses of stardom as a freshman...the 6 foot 2 sophomore can play.
Cap it off with the puzzling statement below and you've got me laughing:
QuoteThere are five or six teams that can represent the Horizon League in the NCAA Tournament but most people believe that either Oakland or Valparaiso will be dancing
Now, I know that Oakland has been doing a good job in marketing Felder and building their brand around the kind of 98 to 100-point scoring, black-top playing, street-balling type of play that the marketing experts believe the public wants, but is that the difference or is defense THAT boring? All I'll say is that I wish opposing coaches thought our brand of basketball was as un-noteworthy as Angela does. We'd catch everybody by surprise.
You'd think that with Valpo being in the tops of the mid-majors people would get the pronunciation of Valparaiso correct but the New York City native can't even get that correct as she pronounces it Valpar
Iso. If you want to be a good collegeinsider reporter get the school's name right! She seems young but it turns out she graduated in 1993. She is one of the founders of collegeinsider.com and should be doing a better job.
Quote from: vu72 on January 06, 2016, 07:34:11 PMQuote from: blackpantheruwm on January 06, 2016, 06:33:23 PMPaul just had a good segment on Greg Kampe's coaches show, 1130 AM in Detroit. Homer Drew is on now.
Listen to the show, it is very interesting.
I enjoy the show. I hate to admit it but I like Kampe too. :-[
I'll admit to enjoying Kampe too. He's been great for the rivalry and kept some class during their first 0-15 start against us that had so many near misses. Remember Tarrance Price hitting crazy run of threes?
Valpo 77
Oakland 72
Valpo 72
Detroit 59
A little history... and nervous time
Oakland is Game 15 of the season
Detroit is Game 16 of the season
Game 15 of the season... over the past 29 years, Valpo is 12-17 (lowest % of the last half of the season)
2014-15 - Valpo beat James Madison by 27
2013-14 - Valpo lost at East Tennessee State by 11
2012-13 - Valpo lost at home to Loyola by 9
2011-12 - Valpo beat Green Bay 90-87
2010-11 - Valpo lost to Butler 76-59
2009-10 - Valpo lost at home to Green Bay 64-58
2008-09 - Valpo lost @ Milwaukee 61-48
2007-08 - Valpo lost @ Butler 73-65
Game 16 of the season, 16-13 over the past 29 seasons
2014-15 - Valpo lost @ Oakland 89-75 in Overtime
2013-14 - Valpo beat UIC 87-72
2012-13 - Valpo beat Cleveland State 74-50
2011-12 - Valpo beat Detroit 73-71 at Calihan
2010-11 - Valpo beat Youngstown State 79-55
2009-10 - Valpo lost @ Detroit 77-67
2008-09 - Valpo beat Detroit 64-41
2007-08 - Valpo lost to Milwaukee 71-69
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 08:01:57 PMThen you get to Valpo and you'd think they'd paint a picture of one of the best defensive teams in the nation, favored to win the Horizon, coming off an NCAA Tourney appearance, but you get:
Quote (selected)
Valpo is lead by junior Alec Peters who lead the Crusaders in points and rebounds...
Quote (selected)
Last season Tevonn Walker showed glimpses of stardom as a freshman...the 6 foot 2 sophomore can play.
Cap it off with the puzzling statement below and you've got me laughing:
Quote (selected)
There are five or six teams that can represent the Horizon League in the NCAA Tournament but most people believe that either Oakland or Valparaiso will be dancing
Now, I know that Oakland has been doing a good job in marketing Felder and building their brand around the kind of 98 to 100-point scoring, black-top playing, street-balling type of play that the marketing experts believe the public wants, but is that the difference or is defense THAT boring? All I'll say is that I wish opposing coaches thought our brand of basketball was as un-noteworthy as Angela does. We'd catch everybody by surprise.
You'd think that with Valpo being in the tops of the mid-majors people would get the pronunciation of Valparaiso correct but the New York City native can't even get that correct as she pronounces it ValparIso. If you want to be a good collegeinsider reporter get the school's name right! She seems young but it turns out she graduated in 1993. She is one of the founders of collegeinsider.com and should be doing a better job.
Could she be any less enthusiastic??? I almost fell asleep listening to her "date night" excitement.
Quote from: FWalum on January 07, 2016, 10:26:41 AMCould she be any less enthusiastic??? I almost fell asleep listening to her "date night" excitement.
I think Ben Stein would have sounded more enthusiastic.
Quote from: mb230611 on January 07, 2016, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: FWalum on January 07, 2016, 10:26:41 AMCould she be any less enthusiastic??? I almost fell asleep listening to her "date night" excitement.
I think Ben Stein would have sounded more enthuiastic.
Yes she was awful but she was awful for all 10 teams. Maybe she was a student of Ben Stein? :snore: So how did she get this job again? Was she the most qualified candidate who was willing to work for nothing? If so she has earned her money.
Opened at Valpo -1. Already up to 2.5. All the money going on valpo
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2016, 08:01:57 PMShe is one of the founders of collegeinsider.com
She gave herself a job. You might remember that collegeinsider.com runs a post-season tournament. It's the least impressive of the post-season tournaments. Called the CIT. But it is a way to tout a more impressive resume' if your team is looking to impress other selection committees in future seasons.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 05, 2016, 11:46:01 AM
Kahlil Felder was getting accolades from Dick Vitale last night during the KU-OU game. He had Felder as a first team all-American.
I can hear Dookie V gushing from here. >:(
Valpo comes into conference play as the clear-cut favorite to win the Horizon this season as they have a few solid scorers and one of the best defenses in the country that ranks in the top 10 in both scoring defense and defensive FG %. Oakland is an exciting, high scoring team to watch and has one of the best players in the country in point-guard Kahlil Felder. Valpo has struggled against Oakland (3-7) last ten games, however, this Crusaders team is just too solid defensively to be only favored by only a few points against the Oakland. I know its a gut check, do-or-die game for Oakland but I'm taking Valpo cover in this one. [/size]
the OverUnder on the game is 154; with a 2.5/spread they are predicting a 78-76 kind of game...Grizz' have only been held under 80 twice (Win at Toledo and Loss at Virginia)
From the OU game notes:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/oakl/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2015-16/release/release_20160107aaa.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/oakl/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2015-16/release/release_20160107aaa.pdf)
Oakland scores 100+ points 1-0
Oakland scores 90-99 points 3-2
Oakland scores 80-89 points 4-3
Oakland scores 70-79 points 1-0
Oakland scores 60-69 points
Oakland scores 50-59 points 0-1
Opponent scores 100+ points 0-1
Opponent scores 90-99 points 1-3
Opponent scores 80-89 points 2-1
Opponent scores 70-79 points 2-1
Opponent scores 60-69 points 2-0
Opponent scores 50-59 points 2-0
> Oakland's last 10 games against Valpo have been decided by 6 points or less or have gone to OT with the Golden Grizzlies holding a 7-3 record over that span.
Jan. 26, 2006 Rochester, Mich. L 95-89
Jan. 11, 2007 Valparaiso, Ind. L 81-76
Feb. 10, 2007 Rochester, Mich. L 64-61
Dec. 21, 2010 Rochester, Mich. W 103-102
Dec. 17, 2011 Valparaiso, Ind. L 82-80
Dec. 17, 2012 Rochester, Mich. L 70-68
Jan. 4, 2014 Rochester, Mich. L 75-70
Feb. 9, 2014 Valparaiso, Ind. W 63-60
Jan. 2, 2015 Rochester, Mich. L(ot) 89-75
Feb. 8, 2015 Valparaiso, Ind. W 82-76
Speaking of January 8th....it's been a while since we won on the road on the 8th of January....
We've played 9 times in the past 20 years, with a 5-4 record..., 1-3 on the road. Last Road win on January 8th was 1998!
1/8/15 - Home - Beat UIC 85-56
1/8/12 - Road - Loss Wright 73-55
1/8/10 - Road - Loss UDM 77-67
1/8/09 - Home - Beat UDM 64-41
1/8/05 - Home - Loss ORU 75-68
1/8/04 - Road - Loss UMKC 60-59
1/8/98 - Road - Beat SUU 79-70 <<!
1/8/97 - Home - Beat Buff 72-55
1/8/96 - Home - Beat EIU 83-66
Quote from: talksalot on January 08, 2016, 09:12:11 AMWe've played 9 times in the past 20 years, with a 5-4 record..., 1-3 on the road. Last Road win on January 8th was 1998!
From my recollection, 1998 was a good year.
Quote from: talksalot on January 08, 2016, 09:12:11 AM> Oakland's last 10 games against Valpo have been decided by 6 points or less or have gone to OT with the Golden Grizzlies holding a 7-3 record over that span.
I'd forgotten that 103-102 game was in regulation.
And, notable that "last ten" begins on 3 Valpo losses... immediately following a 16-0 win streak.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 12:01:43 PMAnd, notable that "last ten" begins on 3 Valpo losses... immediately following a 16-0 win streak.
I had forgotten that it's 19-7 all time. That the Jan. 26, 2006 Valpo loss @Oakland where the Oakland game notes start their accounting is the first time Oakland had _ever_ beaten us.
I thought 103-102 was an OT game in their home tournament?
Quote from: valporun on January 08, 2016, 12:06:09 PM
I thought 103-102 was an OT game in their home tournament?
Nope. Finished in regulation. Was almost a massive collapse after being up double digits with about 1:30 left. Quite the game to attend, however.
Quote from: valporun on January 08, 2016, 12:06:09 PM
I thought 103-102 was an OT game in their home tournament?
Half right, I think.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2010-11/2004/valpo-vs-oakland-12-21-2010/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2010-11/2004/valpo-vs-oakland-12-21-2010/)
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpo-takes-lou-henson-award-tournament-title-with-103-102-comeback-over-oakland (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpo-takes-lou-henson-award-tournament-title-with-103-102-comeback-over-oakland)
Was somehow a "reward" from CollegeInsider to host a tournament when your player, their center Keith Benson in that case, wins their midmajor of the year award. Not sure if they still play the tournament - googling I only easily find reference to that one instance.
A few years ago their was a nice formula, which worked for a while like "every time Valpo scores at least 65 points, they win", and "every time Rowdy scores at least 20 points, Valpo wins", something like that.
I was hoping such a simple formula might again hold true this year, but I'm not finding anything that's likely to provide mid-game validation tonight.
Every time Valpo holds their opponent to 64 or less, they win? Might work for 65, or even 68...
That one works 11-0, but it's not very satisfying. Hard to have any confidence that you're going to stick to that number until the final buzzer.
3-0 when Tevonn scores 15 or more (Oregon State, Missouri State, Iona)
I wouldn't want to pin my hopes on it, but that could work tonight...
3-0 when Shane its at least four rebounds (Oregon State, Iona, Chicago State).
I don't have much here...
Ideas?
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 12:28:44 PM
A few years ago their was a nice formula, which worked for a while like "every time Valpo scores at least 65 points, they win", and "every time Rowdy scores at least 20 points, Valpo wins", something like that.
I was hoping such a simple formula might again hold true this year, but I'm not finding anything that's likely to provide mid-game validation tonight. Every time Valpo holds their opponent to 64 or less, they win? Might work for 65, or even 68... But not very satisfying - hard to have any confidence that you're going to stick to that number until the final buzzer.
Ideas?
Maybe this will help:
•We are 0-3 in away games in which our opponent scored 69 or more points.
• Last year's game at Oakland was tied at 71 in regulation before Oakland went in to win in O.T.
Holding them in the 60's tonight will almost assure a victory. A game in the middle 70's or higher becomes far more iffy.
We are undefeated when we outscore our opponents.
Quote from: talksalot on January 08, 2016, 01:51:21 PM
We are undefeated when we outscore our opponents.
I do enjoy this one in the VU game notes.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 01:53:46 PMQuote from: talksalot on January 08, 2016, 01:51:21 PMWe are undefeated when we outscore our opponents.
I do enjoy this one in the VU game notes.
On a similar note, I usually enjoy coaches answering the "How do you win this game?" type of question with something along the lines of "By scoring more than our opponents." No need to complicate things!
I think it speaks for this rivalry (at least after your 16-game streak ended, haha) that it's hard to find many trends that will indicate which team should/will win. A variety of game styles, scores all over the place, overtime, down to the last possession, etc. Hoping it will be just as exciting tonight.
One thing I've noticed that is unique to Oakland is it's tendency to shoot 3's early in the clock over the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game, whether they're leading or behind. If they're up, they use the 3 as a dagger. If they're behind, they use the 3 to try to catch up more quickly than most teams. When they're on, they end a lot of games with a flourish. When they're not, they're a lot easier to close out than most opponents. High risk, high reward. Nothing's "normal" about a Kampe coached team. In any event we'd better get out and guard Hooper and the left handed 2-guard ? Because they will be jacking it.
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 02:33:30 PMNothing's "normal" about a Kampe coached team.
I'd temporarily forgotten about the "nobody rebounding when we're shooting FT's"! Despite Kampe's beautiful email explaining.
Should be a fun one.
(But, frankly, I'm _not_ hoping it's close! I'd much prefer a decisive win! I think I could handle "close for a half", or even, "VU down eight at the half, but comes back quickly in third quarter".)
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 01:19:59 PMHolding them in the 60's tonight will almost assure a victory. A game in the middle 70's or higher becomes far more iffy.
I am not predicting disaster but a game in the mid 70's or lower will surprise me and one in the 60's would almost be a shock! As good as our defense is Oakland knows how to score the ball in a hurry.
I expect us to trail for much of this ballgame.
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 02:33:30 PMOne thing I've noticed that is unique to Oakland is it's tendency to shoot 3's early in the clock over the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game, whether they're leading or behind. If they're up, they use the 3 as a dagger. If they're behind, they use the 3 to try to catch up more quickly than most teams. When they're on, they end a lot of games with a flourish. When they're not, they're a lot easier to close out than most opponents. High risk, high reward. Nothing's "normal" about a Kampe coached team. In any event we'd better get out and guard Hooper and the left handed 2-guard ? Because they will be jacking it.
Yeah, it can either be a big blessing or a big curse. I think the left-hander you're referring to is Nick Daniels (#2). On an interesting note, now that Martez Walker is eligible there could be five lefties on the court at the same time if Kampe uses a lineup of Walker, Felder, Daniels, Hayes, and Gibson.
Felder's quickness and ability to penetrate open him up for a lot of threes too, as he often shoots when defenders are caught on their heels anticipating him driving past the three-point line. And #30, Sherron Dorsey-Walker, often brings the ball up even when Felder's in the game with him. So if someone is hawking Felder off the ball, that's another way that Hooper or Daniels could get open for a quick three. The coaching decisions and Oakland's offense vs. Valpo's defense should be a lot of fun to watch, and if one team really steps up in the "other" area (Oakland's defense or Valpo's offense), that could be the difference.
Quote from: mb230611 on January 08, 2016, 03:04:31 PMOn an interesting note, now that Martez Walker is eligible there could be five lefties on the court at the same time if Kampe uses a lineup of Walker, Felder, Daniels, Hayes, and Gibson.
An almost equally interesting note that was mentioned when Oakland acquired their second Walker is that there could be 4 Walkers on the court at the same time in tonight's game.
Walker passes to Walker who is guarded by Walker. Walker shoots and misses and Walker gets the rebound.
Oh, the humanity!
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 01:19:59 PMHolding them in the 60's tonight will almost assure a victory. A game in the middle 70's or higher becomes far more iffy.
I am not predicting disaster but a game in the mid 70's or lower will surprise me and one in the 60's would almost be a shock! As good as our defense is Oakland knows how to score the ball in a hurry.
I expect us to trail for much of this ballgame.
The O/U is 152, meaning an expectation by the oddsmakers of a game somewhere in the mid 70's with Valpo prevailing by 2 or 3. It will be interesting to see how accurate they are.
Quote from: bbtds on January 08, 2016, 03:33:09 PMWalker passes to Walker who is guarded by Walker. Walker shoots and misses and Walker gets the rebound. Oh, the humanity!
What poor chumps did ESPN 2 assign to this impossible task?
So I'm really interested in matchups tonight. At one point during the UIC game Bryce had Scara, Peters, Vashil, Hammink and Tevonn on the floor at the same time. Presuming E is ready we could theoretically go with E, Shane, Vashil Alec and Skara at the same time. How does Kampe matchup with a 6'8, 6'7, 6'10, 6'9 and 6'8???
Other then Gibson at 6'9 their next biggest guy on the regular first 7 is 6'7. Their guards are decent size but aren't 6'7 or 6'8. I'm going to guess that part of our stretegy tonight is to go big and force the outside shot.
Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2016, 04:01:04 PMHow does Kampe matchup with a 6'8, 6'7, 6'10, 6'9 and 6'8???
With a smaller, quicker lineup that can beat us down the floor. Unfortunately our big lineup isn't our best 3 point shooting or ball handling unit.
Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2016, 04:01:04 PMI'm going to guess that part of our stretegy tonight is to go big and force the outside shot.
I expect that we will try it, but I am less than certain of its success.
With the big line-up, the front 3 have to score in the paint and dominate the offensive boards PLUS our tall guards can't get caught in deep. But Ducky is right -- little in the way of 3 pt shooting to allow this to work, so OU will collapse on the bigs.
Don't think I made my score prediction yet, I know you all have been waiting....
Valpo wins 78-72 over Oakland
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2016, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2016, 04:01:04 PMHow does Kampe matchup with a 6'8, 6'7, 6'10, 6'9 and 6'8???
With a smaller, quicker lineup that can beat us down the floor. Unfortunately our big lineup isn't our best 3 point shooting or ball handling unit.
Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2016, 04:01:04 PMI'm going to guess that part of our stretegy tonight is to go big and force the outside shot.
I expect that we will try it, but I am less than certain of its success.
That's a terrible idea. Oakland's fast guards would shred the :censored: out of Valpo's trees. On top of that, VU's post players would get tired far too quickly. There's a reason the "tallest team" idea hasn't been at Valpo since the 40's.
Big guys are the ones you want to keep fresh, not the ones you want to run the legs out of before the game is over. Having that lineup on the court for even 5 minutes will force Valpo to give up its size advantage for other points of the game.
I wouldn't want to have a point where Carter and the Walkers are on the bench all at the same time for longer than a minute or two. These are three of your top 5 minutes per game players.
Oakland's biggest advantage in this game is speed at the guards. You don't want to make that advantage a HUGE advantage.
You guys have a better offense than you're giving yourselves credit for. I think you can run with Oakland if need be, and definitely win a game in the 80s or 90s. It seems to me that the Crusaders emphasize defense because you can; Oakland emphasizes offense because it must.
OLD COACHING/MILITARY ADAGE: Take away what your enemy does best; attack where they are weakest.
What does OU do best? ________fill in ___________
Where are they weakest? ________fill in ___________
Aaron reminds us on the pregame that the last ten matchups have all been decided by six points or less.
Is this the best Oakland team _and_ the best Valpo team to ever be involved in a Valpo - Oakland matchup?
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 05:49:33 PM
Is this the best Oakland team _and_ the best Valpo team to ever be involved in a Valpo - Oakland matchup?
The way we are talking about it, maybe it is. 10 minutes to tip off.
Coach Gore says Valpo's not going to try to slow it down, we'll play quick offense if it's there, just going to try to stop Oakland from scoring.
I'm as high as anyone on Valpo, but I think they lose 80-72.
6:00 - Just poured my first glass of Cabernet.
Not a charge.
Well, maybe that "won every game when Tevonn has scored 15" deal will work.
Interesting to see Peters trying a quick three, and then getting all his buckets in the paint. Some post moves.
Interesting to see K Felder shooting terribly, but Oakland still every bit in it.
Will be interesting to see what gives, or if it stays to form, close, and is just a narrow Valpo win.
Has K played every minute? I've not always been able to spot him. I've been surprised to see Kamped having some guys rebounding on Valpo FT's - only notice the lane empty once.
How is Valpo only up three? Same number of FT's. Valpo shooting better, outrebounding them.
Turnover margin?
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 06:55:21 PMWell, maybe that "won every game when Tevonn has scored 15" deal will work. Interesting to see Peters trying a quick three, and then getting all his buckets in the paint. Some post moves. Interesting to see K Felder shooting terribly, but Oakland still every bit in it. Will be interesting to see what gives, or if it stays to form, close, and is just a narrow Valpo win. Has K played every minute? I've not always been able to spot him. I've been surprised to see Kamped having some guys rebounding on Valpo FT's - only notice the lane empty once.
He sat briefly around the 12 minute mark. I think Kampe took him out during a stoppage at 12:03 and put him back in at the under-12 MTO.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 08, 2016, 06:59:13 PMQuote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 06:55:21 PMWell, maybe that "won every game when Tevonn has scored 15" deal will work. Interesting to see Peters trying a quick three, and then getting all his buckets in the paint. Some post moves. Interesting to see K Felder shooting terribly, but Oakland still every bit in it. Will be interesting to see what gives, or if it stays to form, close, and is just a narrow Valpo win. Has K played every minute? I've not always been able to spot him. I've been surprised to see Kamped having some guys rebounding on Valpo FT's - only notice the lane empty once.
He sat briefly around the 12 minute mark. I think Kampe took him out during a stoppage at 12:03 and put him back in at the under-12 MTO.
That is correct. He played the entire 40 minutes against YSU. I bet he leads the nation in minutes played. I was very surprised Kampe rested him for 30 seconds.
Doing a lot good things - except 9 TO's. If we do a better job of taking care of the ball and keep drawing fouls underneath, we should be in good shape. (Unless Felder goes crazy that is). ;)
start of second half. Oakland a field goal and 3 offensive rebounds. Valpo with a turnover and timeout. They game out with energy and attacking the rim.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 06:57:06 PMTurnover margin?
Early in the second they called the 11th Valpo turnover... A couple on post passes...
BOOM!
Tevonn Walker 4 MVP
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 06:55:21 PMWell, maybe that "won every game when Tevonn has scored 15" deal will work.
I think that three was just points 15-17. Smooth sailing from here?
Alec's getting outside shots now too. No threes? But two deep two's. Still not much from Felder. Keither shutting him down? (And Keith's first bucket too...)
Oh, and Valpo by 11 on the T. Walker three, of course.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 08, 2016, 07:18:25 PM
Tevonn Walker 4 MVP
That saved ball out of bound was *astounding*. Anybody remember a more athletic move from a VU player?
Love the intensity on Carter's face, really completely absorbed in this defensive assignment. Fighting through screens, doing work.
My god, our unforced errors and sloppiness. Cheers to our fantastic defense, though!
10 point lead with 7+ minutes to go. Hope it holds up!
Don't understand the 5 minute review on the dive????
Awesome look at a cleared lane for D. Walker, but last minute decided to try two-hand jam instead of one, missed it...
I'm not always the biggest Drew fan, but Kampe's embarrassing belligerence is making me thankful for what we've got.
Kay Felder looks exhausted.
By the way, who does the vines? We *totally* need one of Tevonn save from out of bounds.
A three-pointer retrospective would also be nice! Career high!
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 07:59:36 PM
Kay Felder looks exhausted.
By the way, who does the vines? We *totally* need one of Tevonn save from out of bounds.
A three-pointer retrospective would also be nice! Career high!
Will have them tonight or tomorrow - couldn't watch the game from home tonight
Tevonn, please don't throw up a contested floater, with all your teammates trailing you, with 25 seconds left on the shot clock, when we're trying to close out a win on the road with 2:30 to go.
Quote from: rink on January 08, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
Tevonn, please don't throw up a contested floater, with all your teammates trailing you, with 25 seconds left on the shot clock, when we're trying to close out a win on the road with 2:30 to go.
Shut the front door, rink. ;D
Talk about a grade-A @$$ kicking :). We owned them in all areas of the game, and made Felder look like a middle school chucker. Great win, and fun to watch!
:o "Vashil shall score 50 layups in a row from a lead pass in practice tomorrow or he will have to do the team's laundry." Thats a quote from Bryce in the post game presser.
;D Great win. Lots of ESPN2 Kudos. ;D
Oakland looked exhausted at the end. They finally got a bucket, how long was their scoring drought?
Dominant win for Valpo. A little sloppy on the ball handling - playing a bit faster pace than usual.
What, 10-15% chance of Valpo sweeping the Horizon? Could happen? They've shown they can do it, at this point. Now it's a matter of injuries, and consistency.
Quote from: valpotx on January 08, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
Talk about a grade-A @$$ kicking :). We owned them in all areas of the game, and made Felder look like a middle school chucker. Great win, and fun to watch!
Tevonn career record for points. Kay Felder career record for field goal _attempts_.
Very good win. Blowout on the road against a good team. Impressive D, great job on the boards. If we can straighten out the ball security thing, we just might be dangerous nationally, after all.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
What, 10-15% chance of Valpo sweeping the Horizon? Could happen? They've shown they can do it, at this point. Now it's a matter of injuries, and consistency.
Lets just beat Detroit on Sunday.
FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 08:12:34 PMQuote from: valpotx on January 08, 2016, 08:10:01 PMTalk about a grade-A @$$ kicking :) . We owned them in all areas of the game, and made Felder look like a middle school chucker. Great win, and fun to watch!
Tevonn career record for points. Kay Felder career record for field goal _attempts_.
Felder was held to 4 free throw attempts, so 2 trips from the line (how many did he have last year?). When he gets to the line more, his missed FGs don't count statistically, there's your difference maker.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 12:28:44 PMEvery time Valpo holds their opponent to 64 or less, they win? Might work for 65, or even 68...
That one works 11-0, but it's not very satisfying. Hard to have any confidence that you're going to stick to that number until the final buzzer.
3-0 when Tevonn scores 15 or more (Oregon State, Missouri State, Iona)
I wouldn't want to pin my hopes on it, but that could work tonight...
3-0 when Shane its at least four rebounds (Oregon State, Iona, Chicago State).
First one basically worked, we've won every game where we've held out opponents to 67 or less. 12-0.
Second one worked in spades, 4-0 when Tevonn's at 15+. (Oregon State, Missouri State, Iona, Oakland!)
We'll set that Shane rebound thing aside.
Quote from: rink on January 08, 2016, 08:12:57 PM
Very good win. Blowout on the road against a good team. Impressive D, great job on the boards. If we can straighten out the ball security thing, we just might be dangerous nationally, after all.
From rink, this is flabbergasting.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 08:11:51 PMWhat, 10-15% chance of Valpo sweeping the Horizon? Could happen? They've shown they can do it, at this point. Now it's a matter of injuries, and consistency.
Don't.
Quote from: rink on January 08, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
Tevonn, please don't throw up a contested floater, with all your teammates trailing you, with 25 seconds left on the shot clock, when we're trying to close out a win on the road with 2:30 to go.
I think he made up for that rather unintelligent play with other plays tonight. I'll let him have that one.
Quote from: a3uge on January 08, 2016, 06:00:03 PM
I'm as high as anyone on Valpo, but I think they lose 80-72.
Told you!
Yippee ... We Won... Great ! Exhale... Enjoy Dinner...
One at a time....
Titans in 42 hours... and they are up 20-4 on UIC at Calihan where they have (about to) won 12 in a row.
Go back in the locker room and watch the UDM game on ESPNU
so who did they think they were playing? Michigan State?? What a dominating win. As I predicted, our size really caused them problems.
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They did say something about a 103 degree fever... (Two games in a row? Needs some bed rest!)
I understand what he is trying to do, but that had nothing to do with coaching. Valpo is just a better team with more talented players.
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 01:19:59 PMHolding them in the 60's tonight will almost assure a victory. A game in the middle 70's or higher becomes far more iffy.
I am not predicting disaster but a game in the mid 70's or lower will surprise me and one in the 60's would almost be a shock! As good as our defense is Oakland knows how to score the ball in a hurry.
I expect us to trail for much of this ballgame.
Do you have anything for yourself, ducky?
Quote from: valpotx on January 08, 2016, 08:36:20 PM
I understand what he is trying to do, but that had nothing to do with coaching. Valpo is just a better team with more talented players.
Totally. I see my post could have been misread. I meant to say that his _presser_ sounded fever-addled. Not that his feverish coaching let his team down.
A pleasure to watch. The team really showed what they are capable of. If they bring it like this every game they will be very, very tough to beat. Time to show it by coming out tough again on Sunday.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 08:34:39 PM(Two games in a row? Needs some bed rest!)
So... they play UIC on Sunday.... does that count?
Keith was outstanding. There was no extra help provided for him to help stop a heck of a player in Felder. He did an amazing job of forcing tough shot after tough shot without fouling. Whether it was a step back jumper or funneling him slightly away from the rim and towards Vashil. Felder was clearly gassed/frustrated at the end, thanks to Keith. Can't say enough about that performance.
Quote from: valpo4life on January 08, 2016, 08:49:30 PMFelder was clearly gassed/frustrated at the end, thanks to Keith.
Apparently he couldn't even make it to the press conference.
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Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 08, 2016, 08:36:20 PM
I understand what he is trying to do, but that had nothing to do with coaching. Valpo is just a better team with more talented players.
Totally. I see my post could have been misread. I meant to say that his _presser_ sounded fever-addled. Not that his feverish coaching let his team down.
Though, he really does seem to mean it.
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Credit Kampe with always being able and willing to explain himself, I guess.
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: wh on January 08, 2016, 01:19:59 PMHolding them in the 60's tonight will almost assure a victory. A game in the middle 70's or higher becomes far more iffy.
I am not predicting disaster but a game in the mid 70's or lower will surprise me and one in the 60's would almost be a shock! As good as our defense is Oakland knows how to score the ball in a hurry.
I expect us to trail for much of this ballgame.
Do you have anything for yourself, ducky?
Wow! Since the Oregon game we have played maybe 50% zone and I was expecting to see some tonight. Even with EVN looking a little slow we played some great man defense. I want to watch this game again just to focus in on the defensive assignments. :o
Yes I am shocked!
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 08, 2016, 08:16:04 PMFelder was held to 4 free throw attempts, so 2 trips from the line (how many did he have last year?). When he gets to the line more, his missed FGs don't count statistically, there's your difference maker.
It really does make you wonder how much of a difference the refs made in this one. Probably they called it a bit differently, but they seemed to swallow the whistle compared to officiating this season, certainly in terms of fouls on the ball handler. Kay failed to adjust?
But, was he also just not driving as much as usual? I was expecting more drive and kick. And maybe less "let me take twenty-eight shots, trying and failing to put the team on my shoulders, from the opening whistle".
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 08:12:34 PMQuote from: valpotx on January 08, 2016, 08:10:01 PMTalk about a grade-A @$$ kicking :) . We owned them in all areas of the game, and made Felder look like a middle school chucker. Great win, and fun to watch!
Tevonn career record for points. Kay Felder career record for field goal _attempts_.
Victories against teams like Oakland, who have so-called NBA-prospects, so-called potent offenses, and get unwarranted attention just float my boat. I'm sorry, but it's pretty easy to score when you shoot a lot shots, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY gives much credit to defensive abilities. This was a masterful performance by a superior team.
First half was a terrific effort by both teams. Valpo really impressed me in the second. I noted a few weeks ago that Tevon was co-MVP material. Without him, we lose this game (even with Keith's amazing defense).
Wasn't watching Kampe stomp around and yell and scream fun to watch. Not a lot of coaching going on but hey he got his mug on tv. Obviously if Felder makes shots they can be good. If not he continues to fire up shots and Kampe is apparently unable to come up with something else.
By the way, ESPN's announcers were enamored by Felder the entire first half....Valpo received few compliments, and the announcers all but ignored the Oakland guys who were actually carrying the team in that half. Typical ESPN team that focuses on the one star.
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Wasn't watching Kampe stomp around and yell and scream fun to watch.
...and don't forget the time he looked like he was trying to pull his hair out. LOL
Quote from: atkins on January 08, 2016, 09:17:01 PM
By the way, ESPN's announcers were enamored by Felder the entire first half....Valpo received few compliments, and the announcers all but ignored the Oakland guys who were actually carrying the team in that half. Typical ESPN team that focuses on the one star.
It is a bit ridiculous the extent to which their commentary follows the ups and downs of the game. Turned heavy to Valpo when we went up ten, and then back heavy on Oakland when they cut it to six, etc.
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Quote from: IndyValpo on January 08, 2016, 09:14:30 PM
Wasn't watching Kampe stomp around and yell and scream fun to watch.
...and don't forget the time he looked like he was trying to pull his hair out. LOL
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While the ESPN guys were enamoured with Felder most of the game , they had many good things to say about our defense. I think that is about as complete a defensive game we have seen this year. Once the second half began, we dominated them. It is rather obvious that OU is a one trick pony. Our defense on Felder reminds me of our great work on K Sykes last year.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 08, 2016, 09:14:30 PMWasn't watching Kampe stomp around and yell and scream fun to watch. Not a lot of coaching going on but hey he got his mug on tv. Obviously if Felder makes shots they can be good. If not he continues to fire up shots and Kampe is apparently unable to come up with something else.
For the longest time they had a split screen on the game and Kampe.
Does this mean we can cockily strut over to Detroit and let Bass do to us what Felder couldn't?
Just thought I'd ask. ::)
FOCUS. FOCUS FOCUS
Before I forget - kudos to Oakland fans and students for what on TV looked like a great atmosphere at the O'rena. The place looked packed, they had the white out thing going which looked cool, and it sounded like everyone was really into it. Great backdrop for an ESPN national TV game. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Detroit students and fans got the message that they were also hosting a game on national TV.
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Quote from: IndyValpo on January 08, 2016, 09:14:30 PMWasn't watching Kampe stomp around and yell and scream fun to watch. Not a lot of coaching going on but hey he got his mug on tv. Obviously if Felder makes shots they can be good. If not he continues to fire up shots and Kampe is apparently unable to come up with something else.
For the longest time they had a split screen on the game and Kampe.
Epic fail.
The pre-game strobe light effect was also a bit much.
My random thoughts!
* Kieth Syked Felder out like he did vs Green Bay in the Championship Game last year. He was able to blow by Felder a number of times.
* Valpo's depth is imperative to beat teams like Oakland that grind their starters into the ground. Nickerson, Darien, and Hammink did a great job defensively in relief to keep Carter fresh.
* Oakland's oak court looked hideous in HD.
* Typically the announcers fawn over Valpo most of the game - talk about how great Bryce is, Homer Drew, the Shot, etc, but instead we saw a constant dose of Kay, Kampe, Kay, Kampe, and more Kampe. The Kampecam may have been worse than the Ball state broadcast.
* That 5 minute review was stupid and gave Oakland a long break when they were gassed.
* Shane. Stop turning it over.
* Tevonn Walker is the best Walker in D1 basketball. Silky smooth shot and crazy athleticism. If NBA scouts were there to watch Felder, they had to have liked what Walker was doing out there (minus his floater at the end)
* Speaking of Felder - 20 points on 28 shots. That's hard to do. Wonder what the most fga by any team this year is.
* Huge letdown game potentially next. Still happy to get out of this road trip 1-1. Just got to go 1-1 in Wisconsin, and win all but 1 at home and we easily win conference.
Was it just me or were your guts more in a knot than any other game this season?
Wait, Oakland is a one trick pony? Say it ain't so?!?! That only goes back to...my FR year.
Felder shouldn't have a problem with his team, as he really let his team down by taking the shots that he did.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 08, 2016, 09:52:17 PMWas it just me or were your guts more in a knot than any other game this season?
I admit I was worried about this game. More than Oregon, Oregon St. or Rhode Island.
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Was it just me or were your guts more in a knot than any other game this season?
When we were up 10+ I still had nervous butterflies!
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I thought 103-102 was an OT game in their home tournament?
Nope. Finished in regulation. Was almost a massive collapse after being up double digits with about 1:30 left. Quite the game to attend, however.
Indeed it was ;)
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 08, 2016, 09:52:17 PM
Was it just me or were your guts more in a knot than any other game this season?
Nah, pretty sure that was @Belmont for me.
I was enjoying the close game through the first half. Got a little uneasy when our +11 dwindled to +6, and pretty well costed from when we got back to +11 with seven minutes and change remaining. I guess it was only 1m30 that Oakland was stuck at 64, but it felt like longer than that as we climbed from 76 to 84.
I notice Vashil played a season-high 33 minutes. 12 rebounds a season high apart from 13 in the last game, against UIC.
Quote from the Oakland board. Excuse the ''UV's' instead of 'VU's':
I don't think Oakland had an open look all night. We got the ball to the rim but there were always UV arms contesting. That's the best team we've played all year.
Season's not over. It's 2 bad games. Lots of games left. UV won't go through the league undefeated. Anything can happen in the tournament. We get refs that don't let as much contact go, it's a totally different ballgame. Our missed FTs let the game get out of hand too.
Read more: http://goldengrizzlyhoops.proboards.com/thread/1634/game-thread-ou-valparaiso?page=2#ixzz3wiUpCc00 (http://goldengrizzlyhoops.proboards.com/thread/1634/game-thread-ou-valparaiso?page=2#ixzz3wiUpCc00)
..."the best team we've played all year"? Coming from Oakland? Defensively perhaps, or he was being hyperbolic, but Michigan State? Virginia?
This was Oakland's largest margin of defeat all year, including those two top five programs. At the Orena, no less.
Not to suggest we are on par with the best-of-the-best, but when we play well defensively, this team is special.
I wonder what kind of strategy/effort they'll give us at the ARC and at Joe Louis. They'll be gunning for us, and we can't take them lightly the second and third time around either.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 08, 2016, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 08, 2016, 09:14:30 PMWasn't watching Kampe stomp around and yell and scream fun to watch. Not a lot of coaching going on but hey he got his mug on tv. Obviously if Felder makes shots they can be good. If not he continues to fire up shots and Kampe is apparently unable to come up with something else.
For the longest time they had a split screen on the game and Kampe.
That was really irritating.
Kampe during his college days at Bowling Green where he didn't play basketball but football
(http://s26729.storage.proboards.com/1856729/a/PYbQuZdbYPicfxhNQKia.JPG)
http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/588993 (http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/588993)
Congrats on the win. That was a butt kicking, and you beat our guys in all facets of the game. Outstanding shooting, great defense, huge rebounding advantage (we missed a ton of shots obviously, and you kept us off the offensive glass), made free throws, etc. Oakland had no answer to your run early in the second half, and once it got to the point of throwing up bad shots trying to chip away at the lead, you smelled blood and didn't let up. Hopefully the game at your place will be a lot more competitive. A lot to fix on our side before even thinking about a third meeting.
Nobody's saying that Valpo is Michigan State or Virginia, but it's a fact that this was Oakland's worst loss of the season, and it was a true home game for Oakland in front of the O'rena's largest crowd ever. That's not something to take lightly. Just don't expect a similar atmosphere in Calihan Sunday, haha.
Regarding Felder not being at the post-game presser, I don't know any of the details other than what was already posted on Twitter, but Kampe did say that he would make time for anyone in the presser who had questions for Kay to talk to him tonight or tomorrow. So it wasn't a matter of him not facing the questions; there was apparently some other stuff that just took priority at that moment. Kay hasn't shied away from talking after losses, and I'm sure any of the journalists who wanted to speak with him were/will be given that opportunity at some point.
Quote from: bbtds on January 08, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
Kampe during his college days at Bowling Green where he didn't play basketball but football
(http://s26729.storage.proboards.com/1856729/a/PYbQuZdbYPicfxhNQKia.JPG)
That picture is awesome. By the way, Kampe did play basketball at Bowling Green; he was a two-sport athlete. He was a reserve on the basketball team, but was a very good defensive back and punter on the football team.
Something to think about....If Oakland would have beaten YSU our win tonight would have been a top 100 on the road. That would have been nice.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 08, 2016, 11:02:23 PM
Something to think about....If Oakland would have beaten YSU our win tonight would have been a top 100 on the road. That would have been nice.
It's RPI's during bracketing time that matter. Like as not Oakland will get dragged down with the rest of the HL in RPI terms. If they manage to lose only a couple of other league games, they'll have a chance at winding up in the top 100. (RPI Forecast suggests that if they win out they're looking at about #65.)
Quote from: mb230611 on January 08, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
Nobody's saying that Valpo is Michigan State or Virginia, but it's a fact that this was Oakland's worst loss of the season, and it was a true home game for Oakland in front of the O'rena's largest crowd ever. That's not something to take lightly. Just don't expect a similar atmosphere in Calihan Sunday,
We aren't Michigan State or Virginia and I thank you for not insulting us. ;D
Quote from: mb230611 on January 08, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
Congrats on the win. That was a butt kicking, and you beat our guys in all facets of the game. Outstanding shooting, great defense, huge rebounding advantage (we missed a ton of shots obviously, and you kept us off the offensive glass), made free throws, etc. Oakland had no answer to your run early in the second half, and once it got to the point of throwing up bad shots trying to chip away at the lead, you smelled blood and didn't let up. Hopefully the game at your place will be a lot more competitive. A lot to fix on our side before even thinking about a third meeting.
Nobody's saying that Valpo is Michigan State or Virginia, but it's a fact that this was Oakland's worst loss of the season, and it was a true home game for Oakland in front of the O'rena's largest crowd ever. That's not something to take lightly. Just don't expect a similar atmosphere in Calihan Sunday, haha.
Regarding Felder not being at the post-game presser, I don't know any of the details other than what was already posted on Twitter, but Kampe did say that he would make time for anyone in the presser who had questions for Kay to talk to him tonight or tomorrow. So it wasn't a matter of him not facing the questions; there was apparently some other stuff that just took priority at that moment. Kay hasn't shied away from talking after losses, and I'm sure any of the journalists who wanted to speak with him were/will be given that opportunity at some point.
Thanks for the candor in your post. Nicely spoken. Now if we could get the bottom third of the HL up to the standard of play we all witnessed tonight, we'd be an easy 2 bid conference with an occasional 2nd at large in good years. Good luck the rest of the season and see you at the ARC in a bit.
Made some Vines from the game - might do some more tomorrow. Please follow and retweet if you want me to keep doing them!
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Quote from: VULB#62 on January 08, 2016, 11:19:17 PMThanks for the candor in your post. Nicely spoken. Now if we could get the bottom third of the HL up to the standard of play we all witnessed tonight, we'd be an easy 2 bid conference with an occasional 2nd at large in good years. Good luck the rest of the season and see you at the ARC in a bit.
You're welcome, and thank you. I would love to see the HL as a whole get more competitive; though in the meantime, the teams in the top third (I won't mention any names) need to do their part and beat those teams in the bottom third at home in early January and not give up 100...
Thanks...we need all the luck we can get the next couple of weeks. Hopefully the mid-December Oakland will show up at the ARC and not the early-January Oakland.
@Valpower -- I didn't mean any snark at all, and I hope my wording wasn't taken that way. I was just referring to what a previous poster said "Not to suggest we are on par with the best-of-the-best..." I just want to give Valpo full credit for beating Oakland worse than Virginia and much worse than Michigan State, and those games were on the road and at a neutral site, respectively, for Oakland. Even though the Palace is considered a home game because State won't come to the O'rena and Oakland probably had 6-7,000 fans there, that meant there were 13-14,000 fans for State...and they were loud when Sparty got back in the game and it didn't feel like much of a home game at that point. Tonight was the only one of those losses that was a true home game for Oakland, it was the worst loss of the three, and you won going away in front of a very fired up crowd. And I'm sure that your fan base, with its knowledge of the team and eye for the details that outsiders won't see, saw some things you felt you could've done even better tonight and would have resulted in an even bigger win. You got a key HL road win out of the way in the first week of conference play, and that's the kind of thing that goes a long way in the battle for the coveted double bye.
Love the Vines a3!
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Quote from: VULB#62 on January 08, 2016, 11:19:17 PMThanks for the candor in your post. Nicely spoken. Now if we could get the bottom third of the HL up to the standard of play we all witnessed tonight, we'd be an easy 2 bid conference with an occasional 2nd at large in good years. Good luck the rest of the season and see you at the ARC in a bit.
You're welcome, and thank you. I would love to see the HL as a whole get more competitive; though in the meantime, the teams in the top third (I won't mention any names) need to do their part and beat those teams in the bottom third at home in early January and not give up 100...
Thanks...we need all the luck we can get the next couple of weeks. Hopefully the mid-December Oakland will show up at the ARC and not the early-January Oakland.
@Valpower -- I didn't mean any snark at all, and I hope my wording wasn't taken that way. I was just referring to what a previous poster said "Not to suggest we are on par with the best-of-the-best..." I just want to give Valpo full credit for beating Oakland worse than Virginia and much worse than Michigan State, and those games were on the road and at a neutral site, respectively, for Oakland. Even though the Palace is considered a home game because State won't come to the O'rena and Oakland probably had 6-7,000 fans there, that meant there were 13-14,000 fans for State...and they were loud when Sparty got back in the game and it didn't feel like much of a home game at that point. Tonight was the only one of those losses that was a true home game for Oakland, it was the worst loss of the three, and you won going away in front of a very fired up crowd. And I'm sure that your fan base, with its knowledge of the team and eye for the details that outsiders won't see, saw some things you felt you could've done even better tonight and would have resulted in an even bigger win. You got a key HL road win out of the way in the first week of conference play, and that's the kind of thing that goes a long way in the battle for the coveted double bye.
mb230611. I didn't think your were being snarky. Believe it or not, I'm not impressed with the power-conference teams. I think the Grizz really are the best team Kampe's put together, but unfortunately they ran in to a very, very experienced buzz saw that is rare even for programs expected to do well, if only the mid-major level. Valpo has the combination of being a good program, with a good coach, returning a very, very rare majority of players that produce once-in-a-lifetime results.
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Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2016, 04:01:04 PMHow does Kampe matchup with a 6'8, 6'7, 6'10, 6'9 and 6'8???
With a smaller, quicker lineup that can beat us down the floor. Unfortunately our big lineup isn't our best 3 point shooting or ball handling unit.
Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2016, 04:01:04 PMI'm going to guess that part of our stretegy tonight is to go big and force the outside shot.
I expect that we will try it, but I am less than certain of its success.
That's a terrible idea. Oakland's fast guards would shred the :censored: out of Valpo's trees. On top of that, VU's post players would get tired far too quickly. There's a reason the "tallest team" idea hasn't been at Valpo since the 40's.
Big guys are the ones you want to keep fresh, not the ones you want to run the legs out of before the game is over. Having that lineup on the court for even 5 minutes will force Valpo to give up its size advantage for other points of the game.
I wouldn't want to have a point where Carter and the Walkers are on the bench all at the same time for longer than a minute or two. These are three of your top 5 minutes per game players.
Oakland's biggest advantage in this game is speed at the guards. You don't want to make that advantage a HUGE advantage.
I had to bring this up one more time. My idea that Oakland would have a problem if we went big proved to be true. Their poor shooting was in part because of a very long arm in their faces. We out rebounded them by 18!!!!!!
I know it was E.Vic first game back in some time but he looked bad. Offensively and especially defensively. I thought he would give Felder trouble but Felder scored 6 on him. Can't wait for him to get back to his old self. I'm a big fan of the kid and his battle through numerous injuries. I sit right behind him at the Belmont game and he was a great teammate. Don't know how we found him but we are very lucky to win him.
Speaking of injury plagued players, I saw on the Valpo ESPN page a tweet about Keith Carter being questionable for tomorrow with a foot injury. Any validity to that?
She did it again:
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https://twitter.com/collegeinsider/status/685799960378396672
Horrific journalism.
Commissioner said this on Detroit's board:
Remember, there are still fans in Valparaiso who argue that this was a perfectly legit play--even Doug Anderson's fault, as if it's the offensive player's duty to get out of the way of an out of control defender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w55X1ythAI. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w55X1ythAI.) Fire up, and go Titans!
Still 1 of the best defensive plays in Valpo bb history. It completely turned the game around and taught Dougy several valuable life lessons - treat your opponent with respect, do unto others..., payback's a bitch, etc. ;)
Quote from: a3uge on January 09, 2016, 09:26:31 AM
She did it again:
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https://twitter.com/collegeinsider/status/685799960378396672
Horrific journalism.
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
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Quote from: a3uge on January 09, 2016, 09:26:31 AM
She did it again:
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https://twitter.com/collegeinsider/status/685799960378396672
Horrific journalism.
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
College Insider is also responsible for awarding Brian Wardle the Man of the Year.
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:28:17 AM
Commissioner said this on Detroit's board:
Remember, there are still fans in Valparaiso who argue that this was a perfectly legit play--even Doug Anderson's fault, as if it's the offensive player's duty to get out of the way of an out of control defender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w55X1ythAI. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w55X1ythAI.) Fire up, and go Titans!
Still 1 of the best defensive plays in Valpo bb history. It completely turned the game around and taught Dougy several valuable life lessons - treat your opponent with respect, do unto others..., payback's a bitch, etc. ;)
They're still on this!?
Oh, forgot the home run ball. Worked again. :o
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She did it again:
[tweet]685799960378396672[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/collegeinsider/status/685799960378396672
Horrific journalism.
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
College Insider is also responsible for awarding Brian Wardle the Man of the Year.
But she did get half of it right. On the other hand, Tevonn Martin
did have a career night though -- Martin, I believe, was the lead tuba player in the OU pep band. :lol:
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Quote from: a3uge on January 09, 2016, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: a3uge on January 09, 2016, 09:26:31 AM
She did it again:
[tweet]685799960378396672[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/collegeinsider/status/685799960378396672
Horrific journalism.
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
College Insider is also responsible for awarding Brian Wardle the Man of the Year.
But she did get half of it right. On the other hand, Tevonn Martin did have a career night though -- Martin, I believe, was the lead tuba player in the OU pep band. [emoji38]
I'm pretty sure she combined Trayvon Martin and Tevonn Walker #ValpoLivesMatter
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2016, 09:49:37 AM
Oh, forgot the home run ball. Worked again. :o
And didn't cuz Vashil couldn't make the layup :-[
Ok everybody, we should do the same thing we want our team to do: we've celebrated the great win long enough -- time to shift over to Detroit and start focusing.
Detroit beat UIC handily last night. They are unbeaten in HL play. Did anyone watch the game? What do we know about the Titans? How do we match up?
Does anyone think our team is running on all cylinders right now? I don't. I don't think we are even close.
However I'm feeling pretty good it will come together late Feb/March which is going to be really special.
Detroit Detroit Detroit Focus forward! This is a team that is thinking pretty good right now.
Quote from: govalpogo on January 09, 2016, 09:23:14 AM
Speaking of injury plagued players, I saw on the Valpo ESPN page a tweet about Keith Carter being questionable for tomorrow with a foot injury. Any validity to that?
It was mentioned in the post-game on WVUR, I think, but I didn't catch the details. Maybe a tweak, back in, and reinjured? (And still back in?)
It's also mentioned briefly in Osipoff's game report.
Hopefully nothing serious, but...
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
Every once in a while I miss that "thums down" button.
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Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
Every once in a while I miss that "thums down" button.
It was an innocuous comment - except to those members of the perpetually offended and aggrieved PC crowd. You should share it in the faculty lounge on Monday. I'm sure it will be received with complete shock, utter disdain, and condescending head shakes.
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Quote from: agibson on January 09, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
Every once in a while I miss that "thums down" button.
It was an innocuous comment - except to those members of the perpetually offended and aggrieved PC crowd. You should share it in the faculty lounge on Monday. I'm sure it will be received with complete shock, utter disdain, and condescending head shakes.
And a I meant it, or a "thums down" [sic], if available, as a fairly lighthearted, even innocuous response. Not trying to crucify you. Just trying to gently point out that I think we can and should do better by our sisters and daughters, maybe especially in sports and sports reporting.
I chipped in to take her to task, on twitter, too. A careless typo on her part, or a lack of attention to detail - not great reporting. Same as I did for those horrible tv/video commentators... was it Indiana State? That time they happened both to be men. I'm not sure what the College Insider reporter's gender, or the gender of the athletes, has to do with it.
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Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
Every once in a while I miss that "thums down" button.
It was an innocuous comment - except to those members of the perpetually offended and aggrieved PC crowd. You should share it in the faculty lounge on Monday. I'm sure it will be received with complete shock, utter disdain, and condescending head shakes.
And a I meant it, or a "thums down" [sic], if available, as a fairly lighthearted, even innocuous response. Not trying to crucify you. Just trying to gently point out that I think we can and should do better by our sisters and daughters, maybe especially in sports and sports reporting.
I chipped in to take her to task, on twitter, too. A careless typo on her part, or a lack of attention to detail - not great reporting. Same as I did for those horrible tv/video commentators... was it Indiana State? That time they happened both to be men. I'm not sure what the College Insider reporter's gender, or the gender of the athletes, has to do with it.
No offense taken. I know you
guys people are duty bound to educate the ignorant, even in a basketball thread on a fans message board. LOL
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Quote from: agibson on January 09, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
Every once in a while I miss that "thums down" button.
It was an innocuous comment - except to those members of the perpetually offended and aggrieved PC crowd. You should share it in the faculty lounge on Monday. I'm sure it will be received with complete shock, utter disdain, and condescending head shakes.
I think you're missing the point. I cringed too when I saw some of these replies.
You can make your point -- and I agree with it -- without resorting to the old "women should stop commenting on mens' sports" memes. It's tired and old and sexist. Period.
Of course, she doesn't read this message board so I'm not saying any of this on her behalf. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't care what's being said about her.
I'm just pointing out that we can do better. That's all.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 09, 2016, 01:16:47 PMI wouldn't be surprised if she didn't care what's being said about her.
I'm just pointing out that we can do better. That's all.
Agree. I reread my earlier comments and realized that they either were sexist or could have been interpreted as such.
After it was pointed out that she was a founder and maybe part or better owner my attitude changed. If its her business and her money I don't really care how much of her target audience she chooses to drive away. On the other hand those surrounding her should should be the first to point out that her work is turning into a pile of crap.
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Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 09, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
She should stick to reporting women's sports where things move a lot slower. It would give her brain time to catch up.
Every once in a while I miss that "thums down" button.
It was an innocuous comment - except to those members of the perpetually offended and aggrieved PC crowd. You should share it in the faculty lounge on Monday. I'm sure it will be received with complete shock, utter disdain, and condescending head shakes.
I think you're missing the point. I cringed too when I saw some of these replies.
You can make your point -- and I agree with it -- without resorting to the old "women should stop commenting on mens' sports" memes. It's tired and old and sexist. Period.
Of course, she doesn't read this message board so I'm not saying any of this on her behalf. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't care what's being said about her.
I'm just pointing out that we can do better. That's all.
Missed the point? Trust me, I didn't miss his point and I didn't need you to dumb it down for me.
That said, it's apparent you two are missing my point, although it should have been apparent in my tone. I've had a bellyful (or is that offensive to overweight people) of political correctness run amuck and the "enlightened" fools who think it's their responsibility to police what everyone says. Don't tell me how to think or feel. And I won't tell you how stupid your opinions are. Mind your own business and I'll mind mine. Have I made my point?
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 12:54:37 PMNo offense taken. I know you guys people are duty bound to educate the ignorant, even in a basketball thread on a fans message board. LOL
Guilty. LOL.
Hey, it's a message board. People are sounding off with their opinions. We're going to disagree with each other - sometimes on substance, sometimes on tone, etc. We can choose to let those disagreements go, or we can choose to dive into them, or somewhere in between. We happen to be unified by a shared allegiance to a basketball team, and often by some other shared attributes - so maybe those discussions have a better than average chance of being civil.
We're not going to ruin or redeem the world in six posts.
Quote from: agibson on January 08, 2016, 02:39:10 PMI'd temporarily forgotten about the "nobody rebounding when we're shooting FT's"! Despite Kampe's beautiful email explaining.
Was I inconsistent in my attention, or was Kampe inconsistent in his policy?
I sort of expected _no_ Oakland players rebounding on Oakland FT's except maybe the last couple of minutes. I did sometimes notice one or more Oakland players missing, maybe all of them once or twice, but at other times it seemed like NCAA business as usual.
Thank goodness we are back to basketball....
Pretty sure they weren't lined up for rebounds except the last 4-5 minutes.
Rewatched the game and counted 6 Vashil blocks, possibly 8. At least 5, no question. Jubril had at least 2. Scorekeeper clearly missed some - listed Vashil as 3 and Jubril as 1. Vashil definitely impacted several shots that he didn't block. He blocked a couple shots on fouls, either by him, or by a teammate and saved 1-2 points on those - something that won't show up on the statsheet.
Nickerson and Jubril weren't good, but you have to commend the guards for keeping Kieth fresh when Felder was gassed by the end.
Also, the PA announcer was way over the top. The court was really slippery.
Oakland got a 4 min 2 sec break on the review with 5:20 to go where they looked at who knows what. Ridiculous. Gave Oakland an underserved rest when Valpo actually managed their subs properly.
Quote from: a3uge on January 09, 2016, 03:30:03 PMOakland got a 4 min 2 sec break on the review with 5:20 to go where they looked at who knows what. Ridiculous. Gave Oakland an underserved rest when Valpo actually managed their subs properly.
That was a flop by Oaklands Hooper. Then Kampe knew he could get a free timeout and regather his troops.
Apparently Oaklnd girls basketball doesn't play defense either. Allowed 81 to the women Crusaders today. Valpo 81 Oakland 61.
Vegas Line for Sunday... Remember the Titans? Valpo by 8 or 7.5... with the OU 149.5
NOTE: game time changed for game... now 1PM eastern...Noon Central... probably due to the weather !!
Quote from: a3uge on January 09, 2016, 03:30:03 PMNickerson and Jubril weren't good,
I quickly and casually rewatched, mainly focusing on our defense. Lets give EVN a pass as his 6 minutes weren't bad for someone who has sat out 3+ weeks and I am looking forward to his normal rotational play. Jubril's defense was fine. I didn't time it but it appeared that fully half of his 14 minutes were alongside Vashil. We have not seen much of that combination but both are good inside help defenders and being double team trapped 5 feet from the baseline by those 2 has got to be a nightmare. :o
If we played any straight up zone it wasn't readily apparent. Looked to my untrained eye like super tight man coverage on their shooting guards (with few switches) coupled with sagging man inside play. Whatever it was the results were spectacular. I wonder if we put that defense back in the bottle for a while so that some of our remaining games can be competitive? Serious.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2016, 04:51:21 PMThat was a flop by Oaklands Hooper. Then Kampe knew he could get a free timeout and regather his troops.
Saw this a lot on Twitter last night about Oakland getting a free timeout. Make no mistake about it, both teams were gassed throughout the night. Haven't seen Valpo players that gassed or drenched in sweat in a long time. That game took every ounce of physicality from both teams. I'm sure both squads welcomed the break.
I'm sure they were tired, but I think it was more a momentum killing attempt more then a rest break. Kampe's is crafty.
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Quote from: mb230611 on January 08, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
Nobody's saying that Valpo is Michigan State or Virginia, but it's a fact that this was Oakland's worst loss of the season, and it was a true home game for Oakland in front of the O'rena's largest crowd ever. That's not something to take lightly. Just don't expect a similar atmosphere in Calihan Sunday,
We aren't Michigan State or Virginia and I thank you for not insulting us. ;D
Thanks for insulting me.
OAKLAND INSIDER BY TERRY FOSTER
Down, but not out.
Jan. 9, 2016
The immediate game plan for Oakland University men's basketball team is simple.
The Golden Grizzlies must find a way to beat UIC Sunday on the Blacktop at the O'rena. And after that head coach Greg Kampe and his staff must become mad scientists and refocus, reconstruct and refine this team during a six-day break before making the quick drive down I-75 to Calihan Hall to face the Detroit Titans.
The rebirth of the Golden Grizzlies is in serious danger if this does not happen.
Valparaiso did what a good team is supposed to do. The Crusaders (12-3 overall, 2-0 in the Horizon League) survived the emotions of playing a desperate team before a school-record 4,110 fans at the O'rena. After that they dismantled Oakland during an 84-67 Friday night white out that turned into a Mike Tyson knockout.
Now Oakland (9-7, 1-2), a team that came into the season with high expectations, is hanging with the bottom teams in the league. That is not acceptable here.
Afterwards Coach Kampe did what any responsible coach is supposed to do. He took blame for not having his team prepared.
"No coach. That is my fault," guard Kay Felder said.
The junior guard certainly played his role. He took bad and quick shots and lost his focus at times defensively. Felder finished with 20 points and just six assists and was an astonishing 8-for-28 from the field.
There was no flow to the offense for long stretches which is the responsibility of a lead guard. Felder must get his shots but he also must make teammates better. Kampe was having none of this. It was important for him to make the initial cut for a patient withering in pain on the operating table.
"No Kay that is my fault. You were a very poorly coached team," Kampe told his guys. "Anybody that walked into this building and had never seen Oakland play would say 'wow' that's a very poorly coached team because we were. It is my job to get you to do the things that you didn't do.
"That's my job and it didn't get done. That is going to change and if it doesn't change then the personnel is going to change. I am looking at you and telling you it's my fault and I guarantee you I have been doing this for 32 years and I have been in these situations. I know what to do and I will do it. If you are not going to come along I am going to make changes."
Sometimes lineup changes send shock waves through teams. Maybe Kampe needs to send a message by benching someone in favor of someone that wants to be a difference maker.
MEN IN THE MIDDLE
The Black and Gold have four big men that Kampe can play. Starter Percy Gibson stands 6-foot-9 and freshmen reserves Brad Brechting is a 6-foot-11 and Xavier Hill-Mais is a burly 6-foot-7. There is also sophomore Femi Olujobi (6-8).
Here are some of the problems. They do not communicate enough defensively on the court. They see the court better than anybody and can act as a sixth man by warning guards about screens and back cuts.
They are also nice, quiet and passive. That won't cut it in this league. These men need a mean streak. Oakland was beaten up on the boards 49-31 and had 14 offensive rebounds compared to 13 for Oakland. That last statistic doesn't seem bad but the Golden Grizzlies had 46 offensive rebounds to chase and Valpo just 29.
Crusaders big men Alec Peters and Vashil Fernandez finished with 23 rebounds and nine offensive rebounds. The Golden Grizzlies big men combined for three boards and one offensive rebound.
Kampe has used Jalen Hayes inside, but that is not his strength and he has been overmatched physically by bigger and stronger players past two games.
If one of these big men becomes more aggressive, mature and mentally focused he could win more minutes.
THE BLAME GAME
This team looks different than the one that took Michigan State to the wire at the Palace. But why? Hayes applauded his coach for taking responsibility, but this is a team meltdown.
"Coach isn't dribbling the ball, scoring the ball and playing defense," Hayes said. "He can't take all the responsibility for our lack of defense or lack of offense and all that. It is a coaching game, but he always tells us a player coach team is way better than a coach coached team. You can say it's on him, but as a team we've got to do better."
Hayes was not surprised that Felder wanted to take all the blame.
"Kay is the leader of this team and when we don't have it going on, he is going to take responsibility," Hayes said. "He is going to take all the blame. He is an unbelievable kid. He just had a bad night."
THE SEASON IS NOT OVER
This team is not playing well and Associate Head Coach Saddi Washington addressed that. These are times where guys can point fingers, rip apart team chemistry and send teams into a tailspin. We will find out more than if these guys can play. They will discover how they handle adversity.
"The season takes ebbs and flows," Washington told the team. "You got to stay committed. How are you going to handle yourself when things are down? We have to find a way to right the ship and keep moving forward. We got to stay together. It is not the time to abandon ship, go off on a tangent. We say family every time we break. That is what a real family does. They stay together through the good, bad and the ugly. The season is not over. But we are not playing well right now and we have to find a way to turn this around and get the momentum back in our favor and take it one game at a time. "
Kampe looked up from his seat and made a promise to do a better job of coaching.
"When we cut down the nets at Joe Louis Arena you are going to be a well-coached team," he said. "I promise you that."
#WEARtheBEAR
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 02:15:56 PMThat said, it's apparent you two are missing my point, although it should have been apparent in my tone. I've had a bellyful (or is that offensive to overweight people) of political correctness run amuck and the "enlightened" fools who think it's their responsibility to police what everyone says. Don't tell me how to think or feel. And I won't tell you how stupid your opinions are. Mind your own business and I'll mind mine. Have I made my point?
I'm not telling you how to think or feel, for crying out loud. I'm simply suggesting that it is possible to criticize someone for precisely what they are getting wrong without telling them to go back to some traditional role.
This is a message board for pete's sake. I have about as much chance of manipulating how you feel or think as the man in the moon, and obviously I am well aware of that.
I am also well aware of PC run amok. I spent 7 months at LSTC and I ran into a bunch of it, mostly centered around the vague concept of making the church a welcoming place (my problem was not with the motivation, it was with the results). It's not necessary to be provoked by that to flaunt your political incorrectness.
Maybe I've been sheltered from what others have experienced, I don't know. Nobody has ever oppressed me with PC rules. I've been uncomfortable at times when I've encountered it, but I've never suffered anything because of it.
I remember when Tipper Gore was on her lyrics high horse, and Donny Osmond was on Nightline pointing out that if records were rated, it would simply motivate him and others to produce R-rated lyrics. This seemed to me a pavlovian position to take, and I found it just as disappointing as the provocation.
That's my *only* point here.
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2016, 02:15:56 PMI've had a bellyful (or is that offensive to overweight people) of political correctness run amuck
I'm offended........
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..........for my great uncle Bob from Bremen.
Quote from: Chairback on January 09, 2016, 10:36:29 AMDoes anyone think our team is running on all cylinders right now? I don't. I don't think we are even close.
The defense is great and has little room for improvement. The offense has a number of areas that could be improved and expanded. With these athletes we can win in variety of ways with different lineups.
We have no idea who we will be matched up with in March but the broader our developed options the better our chances for success. Dictating the style of play is a lot of fun. :thumbsup:
For the trip to Michigan, the Tevonn-Alec dynamic duo scores 99 points!
We outscored opponents this weekend 176-141. Out rebounded our competition 94-68 and shot 83% from free throw as a team (including Fashil). Now onto UWM. They have a center JJ, they will hang out at 3 point line, this will draw Fashil out.
Valpo's win at Oakland looks less impressive with every passing Oakland home game.