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But, this seems like a better place for a discussion. Do we have a rival? More than one?
Belmont is not an option? I wish it was Belmont and it could be Belmont. Over the past 5 years Belmont would have been the team to knock us out if in the HL.
I don't feel like there's a rivalry but If I had to choose it would be Detroit or Oakland. Detroit because we are both private and good at the same time. Always remember Jr and the rest of his AAU buddies beating us in the HL championship. Only consideration for Oakland is because they put a huge target on us.
I believe that rival can be defined on several different levels. I think that three are most appropriate: history, geography, competitiveness. To have a rival, you must be very very strong on one level or reasonably strong on all three levels. I would argue that Valpo does not have a strong rival on any one level and does not have a sufficiently strong rival across all three levels. Thus, my opinion is that Valpo does not have a rival.
We've gotten close at certain times to having a new HL rival after Butler's departure. Milwaukee on some occasions felt like it could be something, Detroit a couple of years ago (even made it into ESPN rivalry week one time?) Oakland has the competitiveness and history aspects as the HL stands so I guess that would be my vote if I had to choose.
In my opinion, Butler will always have that true rival spot, I'll never forget Lloyd missing those FT's on ESPN my freshman year and then finally getting to see Valpo put up a W in OT at the ARC as a senior.
I said Green Bay and Oakland... but I really had nothing to go on for the UDM/CSU/GBAY/MILW...I guess I just like beating Green Bay after having them run it up on us a few years ago at their arena....could say the same thing for McCallum... but that was Junior and he's gone.
I voted Oakland because that's obvious. I voted Detroit, because beating Ray Sr. is just as great as beating Jr. especially after he kept the starters in the final minutes of the championship game.
Twitter doesn't allow you to have more than four options. I listed the schools alphabetically, hoping people would only vote in one. No worries. I wasn't intentionally dividing the groups of teams.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 29, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
Twitter doesn't allow you to have more than four options. I listed the schools alphabetically, hoping people would only vote in one. No worries. I wasn't intentionally dividing the groups of teams.
You could take the top 2 from each group and have us vote in a final rival of all rivals. Because I consider both Oakland and Detroit our rivals, but Oakland is #1
Quote from: Pgmado on January 29, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
Twitter doesn't allow you to have more than four options. I listed the schools alphabetically, hoping people would only vote in one. No worries. I wasn't intentionally dividing the groups of teams.
I wanted to see the results so I voted in both.
Quote from: a3uge on January 29, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on January 29, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
Twitter doesn't allow you to have more than four options. I listed the schools alphabetically, hoping people would only vote in one. No worries. I wasn't intentionally dividing the groups of teams.
I wanted to see the results so I voted in both.
I saw that everybody else was doing it, so figured "pick one of eight" was already spoiled, and voted for both.
Also, I voted for Detroit for the vandalism and for ruining our tournament run when everyone had the flu. Stupid 15 seed.
Quote from: govalpogo on January 29, 2016, 01:04:07 PM
We've gotten close at certain times to having a new HL rival after Butler's departure. Milwaukee on some occasions felt like it could be something, Detroit a couple of years ago (even made it into ESPN rivalry week one time?) Oakland has the competitiveness and history aspects as the HL stands so I guess that would be my vote if I had to choose.
In my opinion, Butler will always have that true rival spot, I'll never forget Lloyd missing those FT's on ESPN my freshman year and then finally getting to see Valpo put up a W in OT at the ARC as a senior.
Agreed. Part of it is the fact that we have played them since 1934 while others, like CSU or Milwaukee didn't start playing until the late 70's. An interesting bit of trivia: Which team from the Horizon or Butler was the first to play Valpo on the hardwood? Well, it isn't Butler, it's Detroit! First game played was in 1920 in only our 4th year playing the sport.
Butler is the obvious choice, but I think Evansville should be mentioned. We were members together in the old ICC, a very underrated basketball conference from 1950 to the mid-1970s. I would like to see us play them every year.
There has been some talk on the board of the A-10 conference. Maybe some folks know something I don't know. I question whether an affiliation with this conference would generate any more interest in VU basketball, or produce the natural league rivalry that we current lack in the Horizon. I doubt more than 1 in 50 people in Valparaiso could even spell Duquesne or know where Fordham is located.
Paul
1. Oakland
2. Milwaukee
3. Wright State
4. Green Bay
Quote from: 78crusader on January 29, 2016, 05:01:48 PMButler is the obvious choice, but I think Evansville should be mentioned. We were members together in the old ICC, a very underrated basketball conference from 1950 to the mid-1970s. I would like to see us play them every year. There has been some talk on the board of the A-10 conference. Maybe some folks know something I don't know. I question whether an affiliation with this conference would generate any more interest in VU basketball, or produce the natural league rivalry that we current lack in the Horizon. I doubt more than 1 in 50 people in Valparaiso could even spell Duquesne or know where Fordham is located. Paul
who and where are they talking about valpo and the a10?
"Horizon League Rivalries"
A10 and Evansville.
Quote from: 78crusader on January 29, 2016, 05:01:48 PMButler is the obvious choice, but I think Evansville should be mentioned. We were members together in the old ICC, a very underrated basketball conference from 1950 to the mid-1970s. I would like to see us play them every year.
Evansville, Ball St, and Indiana St all have a comfortable old shoe appeal, but Butler has discarded nearly its entire rack of old shoes. Its a shame that we hit their dumpster right after Bryce got this program resoled. :deadhorse:
Quote from: 78crusader on January 29, 2016, 05:01:48 PMI doubt more than 1 in 50 people in Valparaiso could even spell Duquesne or know where Fordham is located.
I do not live in Valparaiso but count me among those 49 of 50 who struggle spelling Duquesne. As for Fordham I not only do not know where it is I also do not care! :thumbsup:
84v2 did a pretty good job of defining rivalry criteria: long history, geographic proximity, intense competitiveness (I.e., not one-sided). I would add one more: intense dislike or deep respect.
Back in the old ICC days Butler and Evansville certainly fit all four. I'd even throw in DePauw but to a lesser degree. And those relationships stretched across all sports with basketball and football being the biggies. I did not follow Valpo at all during the Mid-Con era, so I can't comment on those schools or any rivalry relationships. I came back to following Valpo when we joined the HL and was glad to see us playing Butler again. But Butler left. So did Loyola, who, if they could have been consistent winners, might have gone into rival status. So I look at what's left in the HL, and I honestly can't identify any one school that meets the four criteria and evokes the emotions necessary to qualify as a true rival.
I could see us resuming some sort of rivalry with E'ville and even ISU if we were invited to join the MVC. I don't see any potential for a rivalry if we were somehow to join the A-10 as none of the criteria would apply.
I would add one personal observation, that being that it is sad that we haven't been able to maintain a long-term rivalry over the years. Maybe it's all the shifting and realignment that is occurring in D-I sports and we just have to live with it. But I miss a good old fashioned rivalry.
Quote from: 78crusader on January 29, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
There has been some talk on the board of the A-10 conference. Maybe some folks know something I don't know. I question whether an affiliation with this conference would generate any more interest in VU basketball, or produce the natural league rivalry that we current lack in the Horizon. I doubt more than 1 in 50 people in Valparaiso could even spell Duquesne or know where Fordham is located.
Paul
That brings up a good question. If Valpo could choose any conference in Div. I NCAA to be a member which conference would bring more fans into the ARC than the Horizon League? Is there really another conference that would bring in more fans than the HL?
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Quote from: 78crusader on January 29, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
There has been some talk on the board of the A-10 conference. Maybe some folks know something I don't know. I question whether an affiliation with this conference would generate any more interest in VU basketball, or produce the natural league rivalry that we current lack in the Horizon. I doubt more than 1 in 50 people in Valparaiso could even spell Duquesne or know where Fordham is located.
Paul
That brings up a good question. If Valpo could choose any conference in Div. I NCAA to be a member which conference would bring more fans into the ARC than the Horizon League? Is there really another conference that would bring in more fans than the HL?
The Big 10 probably would.
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2016, 10:08:15 AM
Quote from: 78crusader on January 29, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
There has been some talk on the board of the A-10 conference. Maybe some folks know something I don't know. I question whether an affiliation with this conference would generate any more interest in VU basketball, or produce the natural league rivalry that we current lack in the Horizon. I doubt more than 1 in 50 people in Valparaiso could even spell Duquesne or know where Fordham is located.
Paul
That brings up a good question. If Valpo could choose any conference in Div. I NCAA to be a member which conference would bring more fans into the ARC than the Horizon League? Is there really another conference that would bring in more fans than the HL?
Certainly the name recognition of many of the A-10 schools is higher across the country than the HL schools. Mere association with these national institutions would create some increase in draw if only for curiosity initially. But to increase attendance, NW Indiana would have to have an increased VU billboard presence on the major interstates, more press coverage that treats VU as the big player in the region (and maybe A-10 membership might force that) as well as improvements in the fan experience at the ARC that projects a big time college atmoshere.
I'm not sure Butler fans ever considered Valpo a big rival. Valpo won't have a rival until another team starts consistently competing at the top of the league. Valpo has been near the top of the league in 5 of the past 6 seasons. Nobody else has really been able to sustain legitimate success, in and out of conference in that period.
Valpo should have at least one rival in this conference given that VU was a charter member of the Mid-Con/AMCU-8 with UWGB, UIC, and CSU, because we've played those schools more than anyone from a conference standpoint going back to the early 80's, IIRC. The problem though is that Valpo was a very mediocre to bad basketball program during its time in the Mid Con until about a year or two before the 1994 exodus, so any previous conference relationships that were "renewed" when VU joined the HL never really got a chance to materialize to rivalry status in the first place. It is kind of odd that Valpo really has no true rival in a conference where it was previously conference mates at some point in time with eight of the ten members in its current conference. If I were to vote, I'd probably tally one for Milwaukee.
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2016, 10:08:15 AMIs there really another conference that would bring in more fans than the HL?
So the answer to the question is the Big Ten.Valpo is not getting into the Big Ten anytime soon so the fans ought to just make the best of it and hope to increase attendance in small amounts each year through a sustained effort each year to keep strengthening the team by recruiting guys like Alec, Jubril, Keith, Shane, Vashil, etc. and stop complaining about how poor the conference is. We're in the HL and the MVC, A-10 and other conferences, with the exception of the Big Ten, are not going to increase the attendance to any significant amount. Let's just keep winning the Horizon and dominate the conference as much as humanly possible. There is no real solution until a truly better conference opportunity comes along that guarantees increased attendance like the Big Ten would such as a mid-west conference made up of private schools---Marquette, Notre Dame, Dayton, Saint Louis, Evansville, Butler, Detroit, etc.
Here's my question: Is Valpo THAT good, or is the rest of the Horizon League simply horrible this year?
I think it's a combination of both. Even the top teams other than Valpo - Oakland, Wright State, Milwaukee and possibly Green Bay - are not as strong as they have been in the past.
UIC and Youngstown are simply awful.
Detroit is bad. Cleveland State is worse.
Northern Kentucky, maybe on its way at some point.
Seriously, none of the teams in the Horizon strike fear in the hearts of anyone. I think it's a down year for the league.
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 30, 2016, 10:16:40 PM
Here's my question: Is Valpo THAT good, or is the rest of the Horizon League simply horrible this year?
I think it's a combination of both. Even the top teams other than Valpo - Oakland, Wright State, Milwaukee and possibly Green Bay - are not as strong as they have been in the past.
UIC and Youngstown are simply awful.
Detroit is bad. Cleveland State is worse.
Northern Kentucky, maybe on its way at some point.
Seriously, none of the teams in the Horizon strike fear in the hearts of anyone. I think it's a down year for the league.
I would say as much as Green Bay and Cleve State are down that is how much Valpo is better than in past years. Valpo is not at the point of separation from the rest of the HL that Butler was during their runs to the National Championship games in 2010 and 2011.
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2016, 10:41:19 PMQuote from: Valpo89 on January 30, 2016, 10:16:40 PMHere's my question: Is Valpo THAT good, or is the rest of the Horizon League simply horrible this year? I think it's a combination of both. Even the top teams other than Valpo - Oakland, Wright State, Milwaukee and possibly Green Bay - are not as strong as they have been in the past. UIC and Youngstown are simply awful. Detroit is bad. Cleveland State is worse. Northern Kentucky, maybe on its way at some point. Seriously, none of the teams in the Horizon strike fear in the hearts of anyone. I think it's a down year for the league.
I would say as much as Green Bay and Cleve State are down that is how much Valpo is better than in past years. Valpo is not at the point of separation from the rest of the HL that Butler was during their runs to the National Championship games in 2010 and 2011.
Yes, Butler ran away from the HL in 2010 but their 2011 runner up national championship found them in a 3 way tie for 1st in the HL and Valpo 1 game behind......
The MVC has more Indiana schools and private schools. Also more towns similar to Valpo. Being in a conference with schools that you don't have much in common, it's difficult to have a rivalry.
In the mid-con days, I would diffidently say that ORU was a rival (not because I grew up in Tulsa but graduated from VU) but we always had trouble beating them in Tulsa. Even the year of the sweet 16, we lost in Tulsa. Not only basketball but all sports were considered a rival.
The MVC also has an average stadium capacity of double the ARC. The Gentile Center is comparable to us in size, but really how does our gym compare to this...
(http://www.scb.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_780_580/adaptive-image/public/8812-48_10105AJS_0.jpg)
While it'll be nice to be in a conference where we are similar to the other schools (private, religious institutions with non D1 football) we aren't currently constructed facility-wise like the other schools.
The biggest rivalry in D1 basketball is between a large public school and a private school. We had a slight rivalry with UDM because they were briefly good and their fans vandalized apartments near campus. It didn't have anything to do with the makeup of their school.
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 31, 2016, 10:54:05 AM
The MVC also has an average stadium capacity of double the ARC. The Gentile Center is comparable to us in size, but really how does our gym compare to this...
(http://www.scb.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_780_580/adaptive-image/public/8812-48_10105AJS_0.jpg)
While it'll be nice to be in a conference where we are similar to the other schools (private, religious institutions with non D1 football) we aren't currently constructed facility-wise like the other schools.
Interesting. Note the Horizon logo in the free throw lanes :lol:
Also note the absence of banners ;)
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 31, 2016, 11:37:55 AMQuote from: Kyle321n on January 31, 2016, 10:54:05 AMThe MVC also has an average stadium capacity of double the ARC. The Gentile Center is comparable to us in size, but really how does our gym compare to this... [Img]http://www.scb.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_780_580/adaptive-image/public/8812-48_10105AJS_0.jpg While it'll be nice to be in a conference where we are similar to the other schools (private, religious institutions with non D1 football) we aren't currently constructed facility-wise like the other schools.
Interesting. Note the Horizon logo in the free throw lanes :lol: Also note the absence of banners ;)
Looks like NKU's stadium.... MVC chose Loyola because of the large alumni base and roots in Chicago. We all agree and know that MVC was not impressed with our facilities when they visited a couple of summers ago.
Would you rather have a large stadium barely full or a full smaller more intimate stadium? But this has been discussed on here before.
Quote from: VULB#62
Also note the absence of banners ;)
Their national champion banner must have been out of frame.
Yes, it must have been. ::)
Incidentally, your reminder made me check on all the banners that must have also been out of frame.
In addition to the 1963 national championship won 53 years ago, here's what Wki has for titles:
NCAA Appearances: 1963, 64, 66, 68, and 85
Horizon regular season championships: 1980, 83, 85, 87
Horizon tournament championship: 1985
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 31, 2016, 10:54:05 AM
The MVC also has an average stadium capacity of double the ARC. The Gentile Center is comparable to us in size, but really how does our gym compare to this...
(http://www.scb.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_780_580/adaptive-image/public/8812-48_10105AJS_0.jpg)
While it'll be nice to be in a conference where we are similar to the other schools (private, religious institutions with non D1 football) we aren't currently constructed facility-wise like the other schools.
I think Loyola is the only religious school in the conference. If you take a look at the A-10, you will find a much better fit both private/public as well a facilities. We've covered this before.
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 31, 2016, 10:54:05 AM
The MVC also has an average stadium capacity of double the ARC. The Gentile Center is comparable to us in size, but really how does our gym compare to this...
(http://www.scb.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_780_580/adaptive-image/public/8812-48_10105AJS_0.jpg)
While it'll be nice to be in a conference where we are similar to the other schools (private, religious institutions with non D1 football) we aren't currently constructed facility-wise like the other schools.
I think Loyola is the only religious school in the conference. If you take a look at the A-10, you will find a much better fit both private/public as well a facilities. We've covered this before.
And still, none of this has remotely anything to do with rivalries.
It kinda does from a cuddah, shuddah, maybe perspective. Think about it. Private , religious affiliated, within 50 miles. With the exception of football we competed in all sports and it was generally competitive across all sports. Granted DePaul would have been a natural one for Loyola, but...... they never seemed to want that to happen.
Plus, every year we could have reenacted the Reformation ;D
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2016, 10:11:01 PMValpo is not getting into the Big Ten anytime soon so the fans ought to just make the best of it and hope to increase attendance in . There is no real solution until a truly better conference opportunity comes along that guarantees increased attendance like the Big Ten would such as a mid-west conference made up of private schools---Marquette, Notre Dame, Dayton, Saint Louis, Evansville, Butler, Detroit, etc.
That Midwestern lineup would be great. I would love to see us in the MVC or A-10. The reputation of both conferences is miles ahead of our current conference. I particularly like the A-10, but we, like SLU, are far from the Atlantic. Regardless, are we not a good fit in our current conference.
Quote from: atkins on January 31, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2016, 10:11:01 PMValpo is not getting into the Big Ten anytime soon so the fans ought to just make the best of it and hope to increase attendance in . There is no real solution until a truly better conference opportunity comes along that guarantees increased attendance like the Big Ten would such as a mid-west conference made up of private schools---Marquette, Notre Dame, Dayton, Saint Louis, Evansville, Butler, Detroit, etc.
That Midwestern lineup would be great. I would love to see us in the MVC or A-10. The reputation of both conferences is miles ahead of our current conference. I particularly like the A-10, but we, like SLU, are far from the Atlantic. Regardless, are we are not a good fit in our current conference.
Damn. Spot on.
In a few short years we have risen to the top and have stayed there in the HL (Thanks for getting us here MLB). Doesn't that say something to whomever that we should be competing in a conference that is a level above the HL?
I just wish the university would recognize this and make a major commitment to being a real player in this, because that is what we have become. We are a NATIONAL name in college basketball. Thank you Bryce Drew. Thank you Homer Drew. It would be a shame to waste the opportunity that we have been presented.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 31, 2016, 10:25:49 AMThe MVC has more Indiana schools and private schools. Also more towns similar to Valpo. Being in a conference with schools that you don't have much in common, it's difficult to have a rivalry.
In this case historyman is correct. It won't bring a significantly larger crowd to the ARC. We are the fans. The bandwagon fans will jump on but unless we somehow make it to the Big Ten there is no reason to even expand the ARC. It can still be upgraded but no need for an increase in number of seats.
I wonder our many alumni live in Porter County. Unlike a lot of conference foes, a good percent of our alumni do not live near the University. Actually, most small private division I schools are located in large cities. Valpo is unique in that case and I suggest this is a reason for low attendance.
But we are getting away from "HL rival" topic.
Let me throw another twist... could the rivalry also consist of "schools where our current students applied... but decided not to attend?"
I'll bet a lot of our student body applied to both Butler and Valpo... and chose Valpo. (I didn't apply to that Indy school but, I do like beating Ball State !!)
Quote from: talksalot on February 01, 2016, 10:15:04 AMLet me throw another twist... could the rivalry also consist of "schools where our current students applied... but decided not to attend?"
Augustana! Concordia Wisconsin! Concordia Seward!
BRING THEM ON!!!
Some have mentioned that changing conferences has nothing to do with HL rivalries but I think this makes a good argument for changing conferences. Again I don't think that the MVC and the A-10 are good answers for change of conference. Maybe better than the Horizon but not the real answer. A midwest private religious schools conference with some majors and some mid-majors is the real answer. This will take some real leadership on the part of some presidents and administrators in the midwest to get this to work. In the meantime Valpo needs to get their facilities upgraded as quickly as possible so they are not passed over again by a better conference.
Butler, DePaul, Evansville, Marquette, Notre Dame, Loyola, Detroit, Dayton, Xavier, and others are all possibilities.
lose Notre Dame (football) and add St. Louis
Basically we are not competing for the same students as our conference foes? We are not recruiting against them.
and I'm not the only one old enough to remember the great rivalry we have had over the years with St Joe's Pumas...now THAT was a rivalry for decades in the days of the ICC...
Quote from: historyman on February 01, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
Some have mentioned that changing conferences has nothing to do with HL rivalries but I think this makes a good argument for changing conferences. Again I don't think that the MVC and the A-10 are good answers for change of conference. Maybe better than the Horizon but not the real answer. A midwest private religious schools conference with some majors and some mid-majors is the real answer. This will take some real leadership on the part of some presidents and administrators in the midwest to get this to work. In the meantime Valpo needs to get their facilities upgraded as quickly as possible so they are not passed over again by a better conference.
Butler, DePaul, Evansville, Marquette, Notre Dame, Loyola, Detroit, Dayton, Xavier, and others are all possibilities.
You think it's possible Butler, Marquette, and Xavier leave the Big East and Notre Dame the ACC to form a conference with Detroit-Mercy, Evansville, and Loyola?
Quote from: talksalot on February 01, 2016, 11:12:30 AM
and I'm not the only one old enough to remember the great rivalry we have had over the years with St Joe's Pumas...now THAT was a rivalry for decades in the days of the ICC...
I thought of St. Joe's immediately. We need a rival willing to steal our victory bell.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 01, 2016, 10:49:07 AM
lose Notre Dame (football) and add St. Louis
Actually Saint Louis. The school hates to be mixed up with the pro teams in the city under the Gateway Arch.
Quote from: a3uge on February 01, 2016, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: historyman on February 01, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
Some have mentioned that changing conferences has nothing to do with HL rivalries but I think this makes a good argument for changing conferences. Again I don't think that the MVC and the A-10 are good answers for change of conference. Maybe better than the Horizon but not the real answer. A midwest private religious schools conference with some majors and some mid-majors is the real answer. This will take some real leadership on the part of some presidents and administrators in the midwest to get this to work. In the meantime Valpo needs to get their facilities upgraded as quickly as possible so they are not passed over again by a better conference.
Butler, DePaul, Evansville, Marquette, Notre Dame, Loyola, Detroit, Dayton, Xavier, and others are all possibilities.
You think it's possible Butler, Marquette, and Xavier leave the Big East and Notre Dame the ACC to form a conference with Detroit-Mercy, Evansville, and Loyola?
If done correctly, yes, that conference with a nice Comcast Sports Network or Fox Sports 1 contract, could go a long way with profitability.
I don't think schools are going to leave the Big East, so I count that one out.
I think the Atlantic 10 would be a good fit based on the size of the schools, and it's not a football conference, but they have an even number of teams (14) and I don't see them wanting to expand.
The American conference for basketball only would make some sense to me. They have 11 teams for basketball (Navy makes 12 for football), and they don't have a team in the Chicago area. Lots of well-known teams, but very spread geographically. Travel would be expensive.
I think the best solution is grab Belmont and go to the MVC.
Or steal Belmont away from the OVC and add them to the HL while "relegating" the school with the lowest combined MBB and overall sports contribution to the league to the second division. Oh, wait... there is no second division.
Not to further derail the topic, but I believe Belmont declined a visit from the MVC when they were deciding between Loyola, UIC, UMKC, and Valpo.
Belmont to the HL might make the HL a 2 bid conference. Right now OVC is a 1 bid and so is the HL. Lets see how this season plays out and whether Belmont has second thoughts.
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 01, 2016, 05:28:40 PM
Belmont to the HL might make the HL a 2 bid conference. Right now OVC is a 1 bid and so is the HL. Lets see how this season plays out and whether Belmont has second thoughts.
Belmont isn't going to join the Horizon.
Yeah, I agree. But what the heck.
Quote from: Pgmado on February 01, 2016, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: talksalot on February 01, 2016, 10:15:04 AMLet me throw another twist... could the rivalry also consist of "schools where our current students applied... but decided not to attend?"
Augustana! Concordia Wisconsin! Concordia Seward!
BRING THEM ON!!!
How about the other 8 or 9 Concordias? Luther? Wartburg? Carthage? Gustavus Adolphus Gusties? Lenior Rhyne? Wagner? Pac Luth? Tex Luth? Augsburg? Bethany-Kansas? Bethany-Mankato? Cal Luth? Capital? Gettysburg? Grand View? Immanuel-Eau Claire? Muhlenberg? Newberry? MLuth-New Ulm? Roanoke? St Olaf? Susquehanna? Theil (Teel)? TrinLuth? WiscoLuth? and last but not least, Wittenberg? Any others?
St Olaf, The Crusader Classic League ;D
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2016, 07:55:51 PMSt Olaf?
Quote from: VUfan on February 01, 2016, 08:08:37 PMSt Olaf, The Crusader Classic League ;D
One other, Lakeland of Sheboygan, Wisconsin? It ended up as a seminary in the Twin Cities.Played in the Crusader Classic one year.
Lakeland traces its beginnings to German immigrants who, fleeing from religious controversy in Europe, traveled to North America and eventually to the Sheboygan area where they settled in 1847. Even as they struggled for food and shelter, these pioneers thought in terms of higher education for their children.
In 1862, they built Missionshaus (Mission House), a combined academy-college-seminary. The school provided training in the liberal arts followed by a traditional seminary curriculum, as most of the early students were destined to become ministers. As the needs of its students changed, Mission House gradually broadened its purpose. By the end of the century, enrollment was no longer limited to pre-theological students and the college had developed strong programs of study in a wider number of disciplines. A talented, scholarly faculty set high standards for the college early in its existence; standards which have been maintained to this day. Known simply as Mission House for 95 years, the college adopted the name Lakeland in 1956 and the seminary moved to Minneapolis/St. Paul in 1962 to become United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities. The era of Mission House had ended, but Lakeland became heir to its campus, tradition and educational mission.Not exactly Lutheran today but it's origins are from a group mostly intertwined with Lutherans. Reformed, I believe.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2016, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2016, 07:55:51 PMSt Olaf?
Quote from: VUfan on February 01, 2016, 08:08:37 PMSt Olaf, The Crusader Classic League ;D
One other, Lakeland of Sheboygan, Wisconsin? It ended up as a seminary in the Twin Cities.Played in the Crusader Classic one year.
Lakeland traces its beginnings to German immigrants who, fleeing from religious controversy in Europe, traveled to North America and eventually to the Sheboygan area where they settled in 1847. Even as they struggled for food and shelter, these pioneers thought in terms of higher education for their children.
In 1862, they built Missionshaus (Mission House), a combined academy-college-seminary. The school provided training in the liberal arts followed by a traditional seminary curriculum, as most of the early students were destined to become ministers. As the needs of its students changed, Mission House gradually broadened its purpose. By the end of the century, enrollment was no longer limited to pre-theological students and the college had developed strong programs of study in a wider number of disciplines. A talented, scholarly faculty set high standards for the college early in its existence; standards which have been maintained to this day. Known simply as Mission House for 95 years, the college adopted the name Lakeland in 1956 and the seminary moved to Minneapolis/St. Paul in 1962 to become United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities. The era of Mission House had ended, but Lakeland became heir to its campus, tradition and educational mission.
Not exactly Lutheran today but it's origins are from a group mostly intertwined with Lutherans. Reformed, I believe.
Good find (with a slight adjustment). The seminary moved to the Twin Cities, but the college is actually still in Sheboygan. It is a D-III school and the "Muskies" compete 18 varsity sports in the NACC along with Concordia Chicago, Wisconsin Lutheran and Concordia Wisconsin.
Today, Lakeland College is a bachelor's and master's degree-granting liberal arts institution related to the United Church of Christ with nearly 3,500 students (900 traditional undergraduate students and 2,600 evening, weekend and online students) from 24 countries, 10 on-campus residence halls and more than 30 majors, including our newest academic programs: aviation, communication and nursing.
In addition we have evening, weekend and online centers in Milwaukee, Madison, Wisconsin Rapids, Chippewa Valley, Fox Cities, Green Bay and a two-year international campus in Tokyo, Japan.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2016, 08:33:09 AMIt ended up as a seminary in the Twin Cities.
Yes, I should have said they split off a seminary to the Twin Cities. I was thinking of the more religious component of the "Missionhaus," the academy/college/seminary that started in the mid 1800's.
Quote from: VUfan on February 01, 2016, 08:08:37 PM
St Olaf, The Crusader Classic League ;D
My dad played in the Crusader Classic for St. Olaf at Valpo :) (played/started in football, basketball and baseball at St. Olaf). I believe that is what it was called in the early 70s.
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Before the Crusader Classic was a bowling tournament it was a basketball tournament between Lutheran schools held in Hilltop Gym every year. Some of the colleges invited were St Olaf, Luther, Carthage(WI), Augustana(SD), Augustana(IL), Wartburg, Wittenberg, Pacific Lutheran, Gustavus Adolphus, Augsburg, etc. In 1977 near the end of the time Valpo hosted the Crusader Classic they played Carthage College and the game went to double OT before the Crusaders pulled it out. The pressure was really on the Crusaders because Valpo had never lost a Crusader Classic basketball game. The final score was 94-87. When Valpo decided to switch to Div.I they ended the Crusader Classic and were undefeated in that tournament.