Thought it might be fun to look at the top returnees from this year's rosters for next year's "Pre-Season All Conference" picks...and overall strength of the teams in the HL...
(Current Class Years):
Cleveland State: Forbes (SO), Lewis (SO), Grady (SO), Lee (JR)
Detroit: Howard, Jr (JR), Williams (FR)
Green Bay: Sykes (JR), Fouse (SO) Love (SO)
Illinois-Chicago: Bird (FR) Parker (JR) Brown (JR)
Milwaukee: Tiby (SO) McWorter (JR) Arians (SO)
Oakland: Felder (FR) Petros (JR)
Wright: Arceneaux (JR) Sledge (JR) Hopkins (JR)
Youngstown: Amiker (JR) Hain (SO)
... and us.
Peters, Williams, Adekoya, Yeo, Fernandez, Carter...+E.Victor
Preseason All Conference ...
Peters
Sykes - POY
Felder
Howard,Jr
Arceneaux (but Petros, Forbes, Hopkins and Tiby will get some votes
Quote from: talksalot on March 09, 2014, 09:48:24 AM
Thought it might be fun to look at the top returnees from this year's rosters for next year's "Pre-Season All Conference" picks...and overall strength of the teams in the HL...
(Current Class Years):
Cleveland State: Forbes (SO), Lewis (SO), Grady (SO), Lee (JR)
Detroit: Howard, Jr (JR), Williams (FR)
Green Bay: Sykes (JR), Fouse (SO) Love (SO)
Illinois-Chicago: Bird (FR) Parker (JR) Brown (JR)
Milwaukee: Tiby (SO) McWorter (JR) Arians (SO)
Oakland: Felder (FR) Petros (JR)
Wright: Arceneaux (JR) Sledge (JR) Hopkins (JR)
Youngstown: Amiker (JR) Hain (SO)
... and us.
Peters, Williams, Adekoya, Yeo, Fernandez, Carter...+E.Victor
Preseason All Conference ...
Peters
Sykes - POY
Felder
Howard,Jr
Arceneaux (but Petros, Forbes, Hopkins and Tiby will get some votes
Don't forget about Matthew Grant (DET), Greg Mays (GB), and Ryan Weber (YSU)
I would say this is my preseason all conference, I don't think Peters and Felder makes it personally.
Sykes - POY
Howard, Jr
Tiby
Grady
Forbes
We've got some really deep talent in the league coming back next season. Cleveland State is returning 4 people who averaged over 9+ ppg
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 11, 2014, 11:20:30 AMRyan Weber (YSU)
That dude is a LOAD. You think, skinny white dude in a facemask? and then BOOM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 11, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: talksalot on March 09, 2014, 09:48:24 AM
Thought it might be fun to look at the top returnees from this year's rosters for next year's "Pre-Season All Conference" picks...and overall strength of the teams in the HL...
(Current Class Years):
Cleveland State: Forbes (SO), Lewis (SO), Grady (SO), Lee (JR)
Detroit: Howard, Jr (JR), Williams (FR)
Green Bay: Sykes (JR), Fouse (SO) Love (SO)
Illinois-Chicago: Bird (FR) Parker (JR) Brown (JR)
Milwaukee: Tiby (SO) McWorter (JR) Arians (SO)
Oakland: Felder (FR) Petros (JR)
Wright: Arceneaux (JR) Sledge (JR) Hopkins (JR)
Youngstown: Amiker (JR) Hain (SO)
... and us.
Peters, Williams, Adekoya, Yeo, Fernandez, Carter...+E.Victor
Preseason All Conference ...
Peters
Sykes - POY
Felder
Howard,Jr
Arceneaux (but Petros, Forbes, Hopkins and Tiby will get some votes
Don't forget about Matthew Grant (DET), Greg Mays (GB), and Ryan Weber (YSU)
I would say this is my preseason all conference, I don't think Peters and Felder makes it personally.
Sykes - POY
Howard, Jr
Tiby
Grady
Forbes
We've got some really deep talent in the league coming back next season. Cleveland State is returning 4 people who averaged over 9+ ppg
I agree that voters for the preseason all conference team will likely skip Peters because they tend to vote for upperclassmen rather than someone who has just had a freshman year. However, by the end of next season Peters should make the all-conference team just as Dority did this year. With Dority gone, his scoring will need to be picked up elsewhere, and I see Alec's offensive numbers increasing as a result, especially if he develops even further over the summer with the kind of work ethic and maturity Dority displayed this past summer.
I would think Alec is a lock to at least be named to the preseason all conference 2nd team.
Quote from: wh on March 11, 2014, 01:22:56 PMI would think Alec is a lock to at least be named to the preseason all conference 2nd team.
Unfortunately they don't do it past 1st team. But I think he is for sure a lock on the top 2 teams at the end of the season.
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 11, 2014, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: wh on March 11, 2014, 01:22:56 PMI would think Alec is a lock to at least be named to the preseason all conference 2nd team.
Unfortunately they don't do it past 1st team. But I think he is for sure a lock on the top 2 teams at the end of the season.
Have named two teams for as long as I can remember. http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bay-tabbed-horizon-league-favorite-ysus-perry-voted-preseason-player-of-the-year?page=14&sport_id=2&types%5B%5D=2 (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bay-tabbed-horizon-league-favorite-ysus-perry-voted-preseason-player-of-the-year?page=14&sport_id=2&types%5B%5D=2)
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 11, 2014, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 11, 2014, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: wh on March 11, 2014, 01:22:56 PMI would think Alec is a lock to at least be named to the preseason all conference 2nd team.
Unfortunately they don't do it past 1st team. But I think he is for sure a lock on the top 2 teams at the end of the season.
Have named two teams for as long as I can remember. http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bay-tabbed-horizon-league-favorite-ysus-perry-voted-preseason-player-of-the-year?page=14&sport_id=2&types%5B%5D=2 (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bay-tabbed-horizon-league-favorite-ysus-perry-voted-preseason-player-of-the-year?page=14&sport_id=2&types%5B%5D=2)
Gees, I was at the freaking announcement and still have the press release on my desk at home. I guess I either missed or completely forgot about the second team. Then yes, Alec will definitely be on the second team along with Felder. I think Hain, Petros and Lee will round out that second team.
Kyle...No Trey Lewis in the top 10? The CSU people say he was the team's MVP and most complete player this year. I think when you consider what he does offensively and defensively, he's the most underrated player in the HL.
Quote from: chef on March 11, 2014, 03:54:21 PMKyle...No Trey Lewis in the top 10? The CSU people say he was the team's MVP and most complete player this year. I think when you consider what he does offensively and defensively, he's the most underrated player in the HL.
It's really tough to pick people from CSU since any given night one of them can go off for 20 points or they could have a 3-20 shooting night. I forget about Lewis quite a bit, and looking at his number this year he's a quiet 13-3-3. He's certainly underrated in my mind.
Quote from: talksalot on March 09, 2014, 09:48:24 AM
Thought it might be fun to look at the top returnees from this year's rosters for next year's "Pre-Season All Conference" picks...and overall strength of the teams in the HL...
(Current Class Years):
Cleveland State: Forbes (SO), Lewis (SO), Grady (SO), Lee (JR)
Detroit: Howard, Jr (JR), Williams (FR)
Green Bay: Sykes (JR), Fouse (SO) Love (SO)
Illinois-Chicago: Bird (FR) Parker (JR) Brown (JR)
Milwaukee: Tiby (SO) McWorter (JR) Arians (SO)
Oakland: Felder (FR) Petros (JR)
Wright: Arceneaux (JR) Sledge (JR) Hopkins (JR)
Youngstown: Amiker (JR) Hain (SO)
... and us.
Peters, Williams, Adekoya, Yeo, Fernandez, Carter...+E.Victor
Tiby and Arians from UWM have certainly established their creds this post season and they are around for two more seasons. CSU with so many back and Valpo with so many back -- these three look to be the front runners right now, eh? From everyone else's comments, we are one talented big away from being dominant, yes????
I was looking through a few of the rosters and did not see any... we have EVic... are there other red-shirt-this-year players that become eligible next year?
Quote from: talksalot on March 11, 2014, 08:14:49 PMI was looking through a few of the rosters and did not see any... we have EVic... are there other red-shirt-this-year players that become eligible next year?
I remember reading that Oakland had picked up some guy named Cleveland that was sitting out a red-shirt this season but I'm not sure if he will actually make an impact on that team or not.
http://opgrizzden.blogspot.com/2014/02/oakland-freshmen-jalen-hayes-artis.html (http://opgrizzden.blogspot.com/2014/02/oakland-freshmen-jalen-hayes-artis.html)
From this article Oakland has 2 red-shirts and both "could" have an impact on their team next year.
Artis Cleveland and Jalen Hayes
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 11, 2014, 07:53:07 PM
Tiby and Arians from UWM have certainly established their creds this post season and they are around for two more seasons. CSU with so many back and Valpo with so many back -- these three look to be the front runners right now, eh? From everyone else's comments, we are one talented big away from being dominant, yes????
Finding one could be a tall order. ;)
Thanks... found him on the OU Grizz roster...
12 Artis Cleveland Center 6-10/215 FR Undecided Birmingham, Ala./Wenonah/Mississippi Valley State
ROCHESTER, Mich. - The Oakland men's basketball team has added Artis Cleveland to the roster, announced head coach Greg Kampe on Wednesday. Cleveland (6-10, 207) attended Mississippi Valley State for the summer term, but decided to transfer to OU in late August.
"We are happy to have Artis (Cleveland) join the program," said Kampe. "We have watched him develop over the years and at 6-foot-10, his best days are ahead of him. He's a good student and a great kid." Cleveland grew up in Detroit before moving to Birmingham, Ala. his sophomore season. He attended Wenonah High School where he helped lead the Dragons to back-to-back Class 5A state championships. Cleveland averaged 6.0 points, 7.0 rebounds and 4.0 blocked shots per game during his senior season.
After receiving offers from Alabama A&M, Buffalo, Seattle, Tennessee-Martin, Western Carolina and Youngstown State, Cleveland decided on Mississippi Valley State. After a summer term and a coaching change, Cleveland made a decision to attend Oakland.
Due to the NCAA transfer rule, Cleveland will have to sit out the 2013-14 season.
Quote from: wh on March 11, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 11, 2014, 07:53:07 PM
Tiby and Arians from UWM have certainly established their creds this post season and they are around for two more seasons. CSU with so many back and Valpo with so many back -- these three look to be the front runners right now, eh? From everyone else's comments, we are one talented big away from being dominant, yes????
Finding one could be a tall order. ;)
:bowdown: Yeah, aren't those guys automatically shunted to BCS programs. Some sort of NCAA rule or something.
Well at least we can take comfort from losing to the ultimate champion. Congrats to Milwaukee, they played their as--s off and deserve the spot. We need to learn from them--it is not OK to play as if nothing matters. Play like it is the last game of your life. We will learn...
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 11, 2014, 08:26:42 PMQuote from: wh on March 11, 2014, 08:22:37 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on March 11, 2014, 07:53:07 PMTiby and Arians from UWM have certainly established their creds this post season and they are around for two more seasons. CSU with so many back and Valpo with so many back -- these three look to be the front runners right now, eh? From everyone else's comments, we are one talented big away from being dominant, yes? ???
Finding one could be a tall order. ;)
:bowdown: Yeah, aren't those guys automatically shunted to BCS programs. Some sort of NCAA rule or something.
Did you mean that talented bigs are "automatically shunted to BCS programs," '62?
Ever since Mo Kone used that word "dominant/dominate" I shy away from using it and it sets us up to be unrealistic. I would say that having 15 more points a game coming from our big men would make a very big difference in the kind of season Valpo could have had this year and could have next year. So finding a talented big man would be a huge difference maker. I'm not saying that Valpo will never finish in first and win the conference tournament or get an NCAA bid based on their season record after not winning the HL tourney but I do think that Valpo will probably find the HL to have some very competitive opponents and will not match Butler's 18-0 conference record that showed Butler truly was a dominant team that season.
Quote from: talksalot on March 11, 2014, 08:26:23 PM
Thanks... found him on the OU Grizz roster...
12 Artis Cleveland Center 6-10/215 FR Undecided Birmingham, Ala./Wenonah/Mississippi Valley State
ROCHESTER, Mich. - The Oakland men's basketball team has added Artis Cleveland to the roster, announced head coach Greg Kampe on Wednesday. Cleveland (6-10, 207) attended Mississippi Valley State for the summer term, but decided to transfer to OU in late August.
"We are happy to have Artis (Cleveland) join the program," said Kampe. "We have watched him develop over the years and at 6-foot-10, his best days are ahead of him. He's a good student and a great kid." Cleveland grew up in Detroit before moving to Birmingham, Ala. his sophomore season. He attended Wenonah High School where he helped lead the Dragons to back-to-back Class 5A state championships. Cleveland averaged 6.0 points, 7.0 rebounds and 4.0 blocked shots per game during his senior season.
After receiving offers from Alabama A&M, Buffalo, Seattle, Tennessee-Martin, Western Carolina and Youngstown State, Cleveland decided on Mississippi Valley State. After a summer term and a coaching change, Cleveland made a decision to attend Oakland.
Due to the NCAA transfer rule, Cleveland will have to sit out the 2013-14 season.
So Cleveland who will be playing for Oakland grew up in Detroit and lived in Birmingham had offers from Buffalo and Seattle. He must be a real "big city" guy. ;)
"Artis Cleveland" has gotta be a stage name. It sounds like something made up by Will Ferrell for "Semi-Pro".
Although, generally, football names are way ahead of basketball names these days. Thinking of the spectacularly-named "Equanimeous St. Brown".
Even I can't make that up.
Arians definitely picked it up for Milwaukee in the championship game. He was absolutely piss poor during all 3 games against us: 10/37 overall, 5/26 from 3, 4/5 from FT, 29 total points, etc.
Sykes POY
Howard
Felder
Forbes
Lewis
Grady
Tiby
Fouse
Petros
Lee
Don't see Peters in the top 10 pre-season, or even that close - McWhorter, Hain, maybe others will also be ahead of him. It's not an insult - Bryce's system doesn't really build stars, Rowdy notwithstanding.
Don't forget Green Bay - everyone of consequence back except Brown. I'd guess an order something like this: Green Bay, CSU, Valpo, Detroit, Milwaukee, YSU, Oakland, WSU, UIC.
If Artis from Oakland makes it big....as a big man..., he will bring the "Cleveland Show" to the Horizon.
Must see TV.
I don't think we have anyone close to second-team at this point. Alec didn't show the consistency that would make him a second-team selection. However, he'll be on one of those teams as a junior and senior because he got the sophomore slump out of the way his freshman year.
I also believe that we need an athletic Big (at least a PF) to do anything outside of the Horizon. I've watched a ton of NCAA tournament games so far, and we'd be blown out by most of those teams -- Too much strength and agility in the paint. We'd be stuck shooting (and missing) 3's. Another guy like Jubril would be fine, but our guards would be helpless against many of these teams.
Quote from: Pathfinder on March 22, 2014, 12:56:10 PMFelder
I lol'd.
I suppose we'll see how good he is with no one to pass it to.
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
I don't think we have anyone close to second-team at this point. Alec didn't show the consistency that would make him a second-team selection. However, he'll be on one of those teams as a junior and senior because he got the sophomore slump out of the way his freshman year.
I also believe that we need an athletic Big (at least a PF) to do anything outside of the Horizon. I've watched a ton of NCAA tournament games so far, and we'd be blown out by most of those teams -- Too much strength and agility in the paint. We'd be stuck shooting (and missing) 3's. Another guy like Jubril would be fine, but our guards would be helpless against many of these teams.
you may be watching a lot of games but perhaps you missed Carter's game against Columbia. The kids took a few games to get used to college basketball and adjust to our guys. He will be one of the top guards in the conference next year.
Quote from: Pathfinder on March 22, 2014, 12:56:10 PM
Sykes POY
Howard
Felder
Forbes
Lewis
Grady
Tiby
Fouse
Petros
Lee
Don't see Peters in the top 10 pre-season, or even that close - McWhorter, Hain, maybe others will also be ahead of him. It's not an insult - Bryce's system doesn't really build stars, Rowdy notwithstanding.
Don't forget Green Bay - everyone of consequence back except Brown. I'd guess an order something like this: Green Bay, CSU, Valpo, Detroit, Milwaukee, YSU, Oakland, WSU, UIC.
You mean the Green Bay team we took apart without Brown? Sure, they will be good but I would think CSU would be the favorite and Milwaukee, with three of their top 6 guys back will be respected as well. I would expect Vashil to an all defensive team selection and Peters second team as could Carter.
vu72 is right about Carter. I had posted long ago that he would be the best player on the team. I am not sure he's second-team yet, but he's definitely our best. I saw Carter play several times before he came to VU, and he was smooth as silk. I'm glad to see that he's finally shining again.
I think Peters will be a first teamer next season. Take out his freshman slump he had in January and he was one of the top scorers on the team and in the league. He had 30 points twice and 29 once.
Take out the 8 from January and he averaged 14 points a game. Next season I would imagine those numbers will go up as well with his rebounding numbers. To think Alec isn't at least going to be a second teamer next season would be ridiculous. If he averages 16-18 points a game and 6-8 boards he's probably gonna be on the first team.
Peters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Quote from: Pathfinder on March 23, 2014, 10:58:05 AM
Peters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Yeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AMYeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
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HL POY 2011**preseason
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 23, 2014, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AMYeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
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HL POY 2011*
*preseason
Look at that evil kid. Probably just stole a candy bar from the gas station...
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Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: Pathfinder on March 23, 2014, 10:58:05 AM
Peters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Yeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
Really? Probably two-thirds of the posts on a fan board are speculative (scores, predictions, recruiting opinions etc.). Or, I suppose, we could all stop posting, concerning basketball, until next season begins. :crazy:
Quote from: vu72 on March 23, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: Pathfinder on March 23, 2014, 10:58:05 AM
Peters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Yeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
Really? Probably two-thirds of the posts on a fan board are speculative (scores, predictions, recruiting opinions etc.). Or, I suppose, we could all stop posting, concerning basketball, until next season begins. :crazy:
There's a difference between a message board predicting who's going to be player of the year at the end of the year and the Horizon League sanctioning an official preseason first/second team/player of the year/newcomer list/best bench celebrator.
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Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 12:42:29 PMbest bench celebrator
PRESENTING ANDREW DAKICH
EVERYBODY'S ALL-AMERICANAndrew Dakich 2013 14 Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLzDjmzDgMM#ws)
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AMQuote from: Pathfinder on March 23, 2014, 10:58:05 AMPeters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Yeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
Couldn't agree more. The conferences are just indulging the fans need for something to argue about during the pre-season. It doesn't mean one iota similar to my bracket predictions!!
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 23, 2014, 01:32:30 PMQuote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 12:42:29 PMbest bench celebrator
PRESENTING ANDREW DAKICH EVERYBODY'S ALL-AMERICAN Andrew Dakich 2013 14 Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLzDjmzDgMM#ws)
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/03/dakich_michigan_ncaa_tournamen.html (http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/03/dakich_michigan_ncaa_tournamen.html)
Then it snowballed. Dakich, the son of Dan Dakich -- a former college coach and current ESPN analyst -- turned himself into a swaggering, sashaying sideline show.In case you missed the fact that he was the son of a region guy.
An Andrean grad, of course (father not son).
Father has become legendary Twitter troll besides.
Quote from: historyman on March 23, 2014, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AMQuote from: Pathfinder on March 23, 2014, 10:58:05 AMPeters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Yeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
Couldn't agree more. The conferences are just indulging the fans need for something to argue about during the pre-season. It doesn't mean one iota similar to my bracket predictions!!
So giving out the awards before the season gets fans talking and arguing about the selections? The league shouldn't do something that draws attention to the players and the teams?
I dunno. I kind of think we'd find something to argue about anyway.
I think the real value of preseason picks is to go back and ridicule the people who thought dumb things.
Heck, we've been doing that to ourselves the last week or so :)
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Wait... I never said that! And how did you find my Halloween pictures?
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Nice digs, Kyle!
Quote from: humbleopinion on March 25, 2014, 06:03:52 AMQuote from: historyman on March 23, 2014, 03:55:46 PMQuote from: a3uge on March 23, 2014, 11:52:55 AMQuote from: Pathfinder on March 23, 2014, 10:58:05 AMPeters could be a first teamer at the end of the year but he won't be at the beginning of the year. Of course, it's the end of the year that matters.
Yeah, giving out player of the year awards before the season even starts is pretty stupid.
Couldn't agree more. The conferences are just indulging the fans need for something to argue about during the pre-season. It doesn't mean one iota similar to my bracket predictions!!
So giving out the awards before the season gets fans talking and arguing about the selections? The league shouldn't do something that draws attention to the players and the teams?
Never said they shouldn't have the pre-season awards just that it shouldn't be taken very seriously. Take it for what it's worth. Nothing except time killing for the HL fans.
Crusaders looking forward as workouts begin
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-looking-forward-as-workouts-begin/article_6380509a-46ea-59b1-a3b5-ad906d471281.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-looking-forward-as-workouts-begin/article_6380509a-46ea-59b1-a3b5-ad906d471281.html)
It doesn't mean anything at this point except as a source of discussion, but Mid-Major Madness posts a very early look at next season. Valpo gets little respect as it will be in a "rebuilding" year and is predicted to finish sixth with no all-conference players.
I can't blame them for their lack of confidence in the Crusaders at this point, especially with Nickerson and Chadwick as big question marks and the open spots on the roster yet unfilled. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bryce find a player or two to add that will fill in the gaps. In addition, I expect to see big advances in the play of our freshmen, as well as Carter and Fernandez by the time fall arrives.
Here is the article:http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/4/17/5624972/ncaa-college-basketball-2014-2015-early-predictions-horizon-league (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/4/17/5624972/ncaa-college-basketball-2014-2015-early-predictions-horizon-league)
I love how he talks about GB getting a taste of life without Brown...but how did they do during those 2 games?? :lol:
I see a third place finish for us, behind CSU and Milwaukee. Jordan Aaron will be gone, so they will be more efficient ;D
Quote from: valpotx on April 17, 2014, 03:15:07 PM
I love how he talks about GB getting a taste of life without Brown...but how did they do during those 2 games?? :lol:
I see a third place finish for us, behind CSU and Milwaukee. Jordan Aaron will be gone, so they will be more efficient ;D
Bold prediction: Milwaukee will miss the tourney.
So a Milwaukee team that finished 5th last year is going to finish 4th now that they have a postseason ban... uh...
And Detroit 3rd? Really? I know 2-7 are virtually tossups, but 3rd?
But I'm not sure how plugged into the Horizon League this guy is when his Valpo analysis is:
QuoteTeam ends up younger still after this season, with Lavonte Dority and Bobby Capobianco gone. Could surprise, but this looks like a rebuilding year.
Really? Isn't every team younger after each season? I mean, unless you're Kentucky you're going to have a few seniors on the team... Going into last year we lost every starter. How could we be even younger than that? We're returning 4/5 of the top minutes, and returning 4/5 starters. Dority is gone, but Capobianco could only check in when Vashil/Moussa inevitably got into foul trouble. I'd be shocked if they actually regressed from last year, so painting them below Detroit, Milwaukee, and Oakland is a bit of a head scratcher.
I see something like this:
CSU
UWGB
Valpo
Oakland
WSU
Detroit
YSU
UWM
UIC
But I wouldn't label Valpo as in a 'rebuilding year' when the conference appears so weak, and I certainly wouldn't label Milwaukee as a 'potential spoiler' when they're NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE TO SPOIL!
These guys say 4th. http://basketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2014/04/2014-15-preview-mid-majors-part-ii.html (http://basketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2014/04/2014-15-preview-mid-majors-part-ii.html)
It will depend on if any Milwaukee players leave the program because of the ban. If they stay whole, I can still see them in the top 3. Just because they can't play in the postseason, doesn't mean that they will tank in the regular season.
Also, where does that article get the information that our 2013 recruits weren't highly rated? Didn't we have the top class in the HL?
Quote from: valpotx on April 18, 2014, 12:52:32 AM
It will depend on if any Milwaukee players leave the program because of the ban. If they stay whole, I can still see them in the top 3. Just because they can't play in the postseason, doesn't mean that they will tank in the regular season.
Also, where does that article get the information that our 2013 recruits weren't highly rated? Didn't we have the top class in the HL?
I just don't see how UWM will be better than last year without their leading scorer and without any motivation to succeed. They're still a team that finished 5th and lost to UIC. They didn't have any depth and showed that by losing 4 straight when Aaron got suspended.
When these preseason lists get thrown together, people tend to overreact to conference tournament runs. Wright State was virtually tied with GB in the official poll last year and they lost to North Carolina A&T.
But then again, the Horizon looks to be weak again next year, outside of CSU and maybe UWGB with Sykes still there. The entire league might be a collective 8-8ish like last year outside of the top and bottom schools.
I just don't see GB as being a top 3 team next season without Brown. Sykes and Fouse are good, but I just see Brown as being too hard to replace to stay at the top.
Quote from: a3uge on April 18, 2014, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: valpotx on April 18, 2014, 12:52:32 AM
It will depend on if any Milwaukee players leave the program because of the ban. If they stay whole, I can still see them in the top 3. Just because they can't play in the postseason, doesn't mean that they will tank in the regular season.
Also, where does that article get the information that our 2013 recruits weren't highly rated? Didn't we have the top class in the HL?
I just don't see how UWM will be better than last year without their leading scorer and without any motivation to succeed. They're still a team that finished 5th and lost to UIC. They didn't have any depth and showed that by losing 4 straight when Aaron got suspended.
When these preseason lists get thrown together, people tend to overreact to conference tournament runs. Wright State was virtually tied with GB in the official poll last year and they lost to North Carolina A&T.
But then again, the Horizon looks to be weak again next year, outside of CSU and maybe UWGB with Sykes still there. The entire league might be a collective 8-8ish like last year outside of the top and bottom schools.
Personally, I could care less what Milwaukee is ranked. In fact, they shouldn't even be ranked at all. They can't participate in post season play thanks to their systemic APR failure, so what good are they? Every win they get in conference play takes away from someone else's record, RPI and chance for postseason play. Their will add no value to the league whatsoever.
If that sounds harsh, it's meant to be. They have done the league and all the rest of us a great disservice. Wouldn't the right thing have been to issue a public apology to the league and the other member institutions for detracting from the image of a league that purports to highly value academic achievement. But of course that would take real leadership, wisdom and contriteness, which are obviously in limited supply up there.
Quote from: wh on April 18, 2014, 10:46:33 AM
Personally, I could care less what Milwaukee is ranked. In fact, they shouldn't even be ranked at all. They can't participate in post season play thanks to their systemic APR failure, so what good are they? Every win they get in conference play takes away from someone else's record, RPI and chance for postseason play. Their will add no value to the league whatsoever.
If Milwaukee ends up being really good and plays a good schedule, couldn't a loss to them actually improve a team's RPI? Additionally, if they end up being good (let's 50-100 RPI), any win against them could be help to the resume, especially since they are coming off a tourney appearance.
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 18, 2014, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: wh on April 18, 2014, 10:46:33 AM
Personally, I could care less what Milwaukee is ranked. In fact, they shouldn't even be ranked at all. They can't participate in post season play thanks to their systemic APR failure, so what good are they? Every win they get in conference play takes away from someone else's record, RPI and chance for postseason play. Their will add no value to the league whatsoever.
If Milwaukee ends up being really good and plays a good schedule, couldn't a loss to them actually improve a team's RPI? Additionally, if they end up being good (let's 50-100 RPI), any win against them could be help to the resume, especially since they are coming off a tourney appearance.
Did a win against Valpo help THEIR resume, since we were coming off an NCAA appearance? Their RPI will impact Valpo the same way it has every year, whether they are really bad, really good, or somewhere in between.
Valpo's RPI was 192, so no the win didn't help. If Valpo was a top 50-60 team coming off a tourney berth, then I think it would have been perceived as a pretty good win.
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 18, 2014, 02:52:21 PM
Valpo's RPI was 192, so no the win didn't help. If Valpo was a top 50-60 team coming off a tourney berth, then I think it would have been perceived as a pretty good win.
Milwaukee isn't a top 50 team coming off a tourney berth...
Making the tourney as a 15 seed is virtually irrelevant the next year. The selection committee doesn't take "ability to beat 15 seeds in previous years tourney" into account.
Let me try this again...if NEXT YEAR, Milwaukee is good (i.e. a top 50 team), a win over them would carry some weight. Even a loss to them would be considered a good loss.
Moving on, any publication that has us at 6th in the preseason poll has lost all credibility.
Valparaiso up for challenge in Music City
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/27919461-556/college-basketball-valparaiso-up-for-challenge-in-music-city.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/27919461-556/college-basketball-valparaiso-up-for-challenge-in-music-city.html)
Looks like all 4 teams are returning a ton of talent.
Also, updates on open scholarship and injured players.
General info for our out-of-towners:
Received a letter and brochure in today's mail announcing Crusader Club packages for the upcoming season. The form letter was signed by Homer, who added a nice hand-written personal note, as well. What a classy guy! Then again, I guess we already knew that. ;)