Tuesday 8:15 PM central.
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Looks like tickets are $10 and $15.
Ever want to sit court side? I think I'll skip it with my kids in tow, but get 'em while the getting's good. Also just $15. Available on valpoathletics.com as well.
http://www.etix.com/ticket/p/6060141/valpo-mens-basketball-vstexas-southern-valparaiso-valparaiso-universityathleticsrecreation-center-arc?cobrand=valpo (http://www.etix.com/ticket/p/6060141/valpo-mens-basketball-vstexas-southern-valparaiso-valparaiso-universityathleticsrecreation-center-arc?cobrand=valpo)
Do we season ticket holders get first crack at our seats? (I'm assuming this is the case, unless we've sold out most of the chairbacks already.)
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 13, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
Do we season ticket holders get first crack at our seats? (I'm assuming this is the case, unless we've sold out most of the chairbacks already.)
Worth calling the box office? I assume they're holding them for you - I can't get three together in the center chairback section, for example.
Texas Southern Roster... I could not have told you they are located in Houston...DIRECTLY across the street from the University of Houston ~!
http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball (http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball)
http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015& (http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015&)
Starters in their last game against Southern:
6-5 Sr Malcolm Riley - 15.0 ppg
6-5 Sr Chris Thomas - 14.7 ppg
6-3 Sr David Blanks
6-7 Fr Derrick Griffin
6-5 Sr Orlando Coleman
6th man: 5-9 Freshman Brian Carey
Fac Staff just got an email about $5 Mezzanine tickets...
1-877-my-vu-tix
Quote from: talksalot on March 13, 2016, 08:06:31 PMTexas Southern Roster... I could not have told you they are located in Houston...DIRECTLY across the street from the University of Houston ~! http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball (http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball) http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015& (http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015&) Starters in their last game against Southern: 6-5 Sr Malcolm Riley - 15.0 ppg 6-5 Sr Chris Thomas - 14.7 ppg 6-3 Sr David Blanks 6-7 Fr Derrick Griffin 6-5 Sr Orlando Coleman 6th man: 5-9 Freshman Brian Carey
They are short. We don't play well against small teams and often put Vashil on the bench for these occasions.
Quote from: talksalot on March 13, 2016, 08:27:53 PMand they lost 11 of their 12 OOC games this year... then practically swept all of the 200+Rpi teams in their conference.... including losses to RPI 334 and 333... they did not play a home game until January 2nd!
When's the last time we hosted an HBCU at the ARC?
Chicago St. ?
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 13, 2016, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: talksalot on March 13, 2016, 08:06:31 PMTexas Southern Roster... I could not have told you they are located in Houston...DIRECTLY across the street from the University of Houston ~! http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball (http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball) http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015& (http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015&) Starters in their last game against Southern: 6-5 Sr Malcolm Riley - 15.0 ppg 6-5 Sr Chris Thomas - 14.7 ppg 6-3 Sr David Blanks 6-7 Fr Derrick Griffin 6-5 Sr Orlando Coleman 6th man: 5-9 Freshman Brian Carey
They are short. We don't play well against small teams and often put Vashil on the beach for these occasions.
So we will play to their strength rather than making them play to ours? Why not play more zone pushing out to defend the three and make them try to penetrate while we have Vashile to protect the rim. Just a thought.
agreed, It's just what I have noticed.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 13, 2016, 08:59:14 PM
Chicago St. ?
I'll take that seriously.
Maybe not H enough? (OK, that's not very serious.)
Apparently, from wiki, Chicago State's debated the question themselves the question of whether to consider themselves an HBCU. As far as I know, they're not widely considered one. But they are apparently a member of the Thurgood Marshall College Fund, which seems to be basically for HBCU's.
Quote from: talksalot on March 13, 2016, 08:27:53 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 13, 2016, 08:23:45 PM
For those of you that hadn't noticed this yet, Texas Southern won at Michigan State and Kansas State last year.
and they lost 11 of their 12 OOC games this year... then practically swept all of the 200+Rpi teams in their conference.... including losses to RPI 334 and 333... they did not play a home game until January 2nd!
If anybody's tempted to get too down on Texas Southern, we should probably make Kyle Whelliston's piece(s) on the plight of HBCU's required reading. It seems like at some of these schools they're playing two months of "guarantee games" (or "bodybag games") to pay the bill not just for the basketball team, but sometimes for the whole athletic department. Bus trips. Maybe not such nice buses.
So, yeah, their best win is RPI 186 Southern at home. They lost to them on the road. And in the conference tournament.
I also couldn't have told you they were in Houston, but their wikipedia page includes one anecdote I have heard before.
In 1946 Heman Marion Sweatt, an African American, was denied admission to the University of Texas law school on the basis of race. The Sweatt v. Painter case in the US Supreme Court didn't admit him, but led to Texas establishing the law school at Texas Southern as a "separate but equal" type of solution, and basically created the university (previously a junior college, segregated of course). Perhaps one of the lawyers on the board could tell us more. They now apparently rank 4th in the US in number of doctoral and professional degrees awarded to African Americans.
http://hbculifestyle.com/list-of-hbcu-schools/ (http://hbculifestyle.com/list-of-hbcu-schools/)
I found these HOME games...
December 2, 1998... Norfolk State... we won 104-69
December 4, 1963 ... Kentucky State... we won 94-72
December 4, 1962... Kentucky State... we lost 81-68
KenPom 177 (a bit below Detroit). Probably a 16 seed if they had won their conference tournament? (Which was in Houston, but not on their home court; single bye, or more like four teams playing in from a ten team conference.)
#241 defense, #130 offense. Reasonably methodical, playing only 1.5 possession per game faster than we do (#199 tempo to our #261).
I wonder if we'll open as... 15 point favorites? Or more?
But, obviously, very much can't overlook them. Our record in the post-season is not good. Hopefully a good warm-up game after a week off, and a lot of emotion, but got to play the game, got to win the game.
Quote from: talksalot on March 13, 2016, 09:59:57 PM
http://hbculifestyle.com/list-of-hbcu-schools/ (http://hbculifestyle.com/list-of-hbcu-schools/)
I found these HOME games...
December 2, 1998... Norfolk State... we won 104-69
December 4, 1963 ... Kentucky State... we won 94-72
December 4, 1962... Kentucky State... we lost 81-68
Nice research!
Norfolk State a D1, but Kentucky State D2. So, not a first, but a fairly rare event.
This _is_ the first #1 NIT seed for the Horizon League (obviously a sort of a booby prize), but they've not been seeding the bracket for _so_ many years...
Sounds like if we take this game seriously we should win. If we don't it could be a huge loss and devistating to our program. Take care of business and move on to the second round.
Need to get the Student's out... and Rock the ARC...
The Davidson / FSU game tips 15 minutes before we do...
the Seminole ticket prices are $10/adult $4/youth
Quote from: nkvu on March 13, 2016, 10:19:50 PMSounds like if we take this game seriously we should win. If we don't it could be a huge loss and devistating to our program. Take care of business and move on to the second round.
So this is the reason the Power 5 avoid us? Nothing to win but everything to lose? :-X
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 13, 2016, 10:28:40 PM
Quote from: nkvu on March 13, 2016, 10:19:50 PMSounds like if we take this game seriously we should win. If we don't it could be a huge loss and devistating to our program. Take care of business and move on to the second round.
So this is the reason the Power 5 avoid us? Nothing to win but everything to lose? :-X
Pretty much.
Paul Oren's piece on the day, and Texas Southern
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-snubbed-from-ncaa-earns-top-seed-in-nit/article_892fe358-78e6-51b5-9628-350848069700.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-snubbed-from-ncaa-earns-top-seed-in-nit/article_892fe358-78e6-51b5-9628-350848069700.html)
Bryce had seen (on TV) the guarantee game Texas Southern played at Baylor (75-49).
They're coached by Mike Davis, who succeeded Bobby Knight at IU when Bobby got the heave-ho. Seven NCAA appearances across IU, UAB, and Texas Southern. A run to the national title game with IU (albeit with Bobby Knight's recruiting class; but as assistant I'm sure he played a role). Four NIT appearances including a trip to the quarterfinals with UAB.
Been to the NIT or NCAA in 13 of 16 seasons as head coach. And has won the SWAC, the SWAC tournament, or both in each of his four seasons at Texas Southern.
So, if we win games, like in the NCAAs, do we win money for us or for the conference or do we keep part of/all of the gate?
Quote from: agibson on March 13, 2016, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: talksalot on March 13, 2016, 08:27:53 PMand they lost 11 of their 12 OOC games this year... then practically swept all of the 200+Rpi teams in their conference.... including losses to RPI 334 and 333... they did not play a home game until January 2nd!
When's the last time we hosted an HBCU at the ARC?
Didn't we host Bethune Cookman in the first HL championship season?
Quote from: vu72 on March 13, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
So, if we win games, like in the NCAAs, do we win money for us or for the conference or do we keep part of/all of the gate?
It's a good question. My hunch is that we hopefully don't have to pay-to-play like you do with the CBI and CIT, but that there may not be too much in it $-wise for us, either. Maybe the home team gets all or most of the gate?
The TV deal with ESPN was about 12 years, for $500M (compared to CBS at 11 years and $6B) but included the women's NCAA, the college baseball and softball world series, etc, etc.
So, I don't think there's a whole lot of money getting splashed around to the participants.
Last year almost half of even the first round games were on ESPN or ESPN2, with a few on ESPNU, and only about 5 relegated to ESPN3. I'm not finding good info at the moment on this year's tournament, but they flashed it during the selection show, didn't they? Seemed mostly about ESPN3, including the Valpo game?
Last year the 2nd round was ESPN3-free, and the 3rd round was all ESPN or ESPN2. Westwood One appears to have exclusive radio rights to the semi-finals and final, which could mean no Todd Ickow?
Quote from: a3uge on March 13, 2016, 11:03:17 PMDidn't we host Bethune Cookman in the first HL championship season?
Good call
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2012-13/3259/bethune-cookman-vs-valpo-11-24-2012/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2012-13/3259/bethune-cookman-vs-valpo-11-24-2012/)
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Mark Adams on the call. Seems to have become something of a Valpo fan, at least.
Quote from: agibson on March 13, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
KenPom 177 (a bit below Detroit). Probably a 16 seed if they had won their conference tournament? (Which was in Houston, but not on their home court; single bye, or more like four teams playing in from a ten team conference.)
#241 defense, #130 offense. Reasonably methodical, playing only 1.5 possession per game faster than we do (#199 tempo to our #261).
I wonder if we'll open as... 15 point favorites? Or more?
But, obviously, very much can't overlook them. Our record in the post-season is not good. Hopefully a good warm-up game after a week off, and a lot of emotion, but got to play the game, got to win the game.
Caution. (1) Road games for TSU are not something that bothers them. (2) On the road in December they lost to Iona by only 10 points.
Valpo 77
Texas Southern 62
I can't find a Vegas line anywhere.
Quote from: a3uge on March 13, 2016, 11:03:17 PMDidn't we host Bethune Cookman in the first HL championship season?
Yes we did... nice catch! and we beat 'em 77-64 (November 24, 2012)
Quote from: agibson on March 13, 2016, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 13, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
Do we season ticket holders get first crack at our seats? (I'm assuming this is the case, unless we've sold out most of the chairbacks already.)
Worth calling the box office? I assume they're holding them for you - I can't get three together in the center chairback section, for example.
got our season tickets seats.
Looking forward to watching this game, hopefully with a good Valpo crowd! I don't know what ticket sales have been like in the last 12 hours, but I would think about giving reduced/free admission to kids wearing Gold/Brown, especially those that have been playing basketball on the campus recently.
We need to come out to play. With St. Mary's in our bracket, it won't be easy to get to NY.
Valpo 80
Tx Southern 60
Think we win big, but because of our inconsistency, who knows? Time to show some fire and sustain it over the entire game. That should be easy to do at home.
Think we win big in front of a small crowd. Win>15. Crowd < 3000. Unless the guy who counted the attendance at the tournament final is there. Then Crowd>8000
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Quote from: agibson on March 13, 2016, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 13, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
Do we season ticket holders get first crack at our seats? (I'm assuming this is the case, unless we've sold out most of the chairbacks already.)
Worth calling the box office? I assume they're holding them for you - I can't get three together in the center chairback section, for example.
got our season tickets seats.
I decided to "splurge" and get chairbacks for the game, got them in Section G, row N. I'm thinking I should have waited until after 5 PM since that's when they are releasing the season tickets that are snatched up, but who knows how the chairbacks will show up for their season tickets, so I got what I could.
As for the game itself I think we got a pretty favorable draw for the 8 seeds. While all the 8 seeds aren't great, we got the team we match up best against. Wagner is a really strong defense and they force a good amount of turnovers, High Point also turns over teams quite a bit and their offense is really good, and Bucknell has three forwards who are big time scorers.
Here's a look at the game via KenPom
(http://s24.postimg.org/h8fe0feyd/TSU_vs_Valpo.png)
Texas Southern has a good amount of experience (more than us, surprisingly) but they are much shorter than we are, they don't shoot threes and FTs particularly well, and it seems they get a lot of second chance points with their high Offensive Rebound percentage and 2 point shooting. It's good that Tevonn will be back for this game as he's one of our better rebounders.
A caution this is the Post season Valpo has Mastered the "one and done" move remember Iowa, Iona, Maryland MSU I could go on you get the point winning in March has been an up hill fight. Despite the record VU 78 TSU 63 ;D
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 14, 2016, 11:31:37 AMTexas Southern has a good amount of experience (more than us, surprisingly) but they are much shorter than we are, they don't shoot threes and FTs particularly well, and it seems they get a lot of second chance points with their high Offensive Rebound percentage and 2 point shooting. It's good that Tevonn will be back for this game as he's one of our better rebounders.
Add the sixth foul, and it seems to be a setup for Vashil to have a great night.
According to ESPN, this game will still be on ESPN3. Was hoping it was broadcast elsewhere :(
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 14, 2016, 11:31:37 AMHere's a look at the game via KenPom
Interesting that they rebound pretty well despite their (lack of) size. And that they have among the poorest FT "defenses" in the nation - I don't know what's going on there.
Aren't the efficiencies supposed to average to 100 across D1? Isn't the normalization in the "adjusted" efficiency? I'm confused.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 14, 2016, 10:07:22 AM
I can't find a Vegas line anywhere.
Yeah, the NCAA lines went up pretty quick (surprise, surprise). I assume the other tournaments will eventually get lines, but who knows? Even regular season, not every game obviously gets a line (or not one that shows up on my usual trivial googling, at least).
They just came up...
vegasinsider.com
All of Tuesdays games:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/scoreboard/scores.cfm/game_date/03-15-2016 (http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/scoreboard/scores.cfm/game_date/03-15-2016)
Valpo opens at 16.5... down to 15.5 in about a half-hour...
Gamecocks are at 17 over High Point...the only game projected to be more of a blowout...
For those curious about ticketing arrangements: word on the street is that it's free for VU students, but they need a hard ticket. At least, it's apparently been announced that it's free for a "limited number" of students. I trust that's to create buzz, encourage students to take affirmative action of picking up a ticket, etc. and that in the end all students will be welcome.
But, for any students reading, don't count on that! Head on over to the ARC and pick up your ticket!
If you want to watch Texas Southern... ESPN has one of their games on the archive list...
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2734537/ (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2734537/)
from 2/29 against Alabama State
They have a HUGE band... I wonder if they will make the trip?
Interesting listing to the game... the TSU team is very disciplined... I think he said 4th fewest fouls-against in the country.
They are Very Experienced, willing to RUN anytime.. they committed 480 fouls on the season (opponents 687). Valpo committed 640 (opponents 626)
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Quote from: Kyle321n on March 14, 2016, 11:31:37 AMTexas Southern has a good amount of experience (more than us, surprisingly) but they are much shorter than we are, they don't shoot threes and FTs particularly well, and it seems they get a lot of second chance points with their high Offensive Rebound percentage and 2 point shooting. It's good that Tevonn will be back for this game as he's one of our better rebounders.
Add the sixth foul, and it seems to be a setup for Vashil to have a great night.
Joke, or are they really toying with an increased PF limit?
Here's the only documentation I can find on this... and it says "Likely"...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/05/15/sixth-foul-college-basketball-rule-changes-tom-izzo/27380575/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/05/15/sixth-foul-college-basketball-rule-changes-tom-izzo/27380575/)
I don't have a cite handy, but I don't think there's any doubt. All post-season tournaments except the NCAA are playing with six fouls.
Like they experimented with the 30 second shot clock and widened no-charge arc last post-season.
Quote from: covufan on March 14, 2016, 11:04:06 AMLooking forward to watching this game, hopefully with a good Valpo crowd! I don't know what ticket sales have been like in the last 12 hours,
Steady stream of foot traffic at the ARC when I bought my tickets half an hour ago. Faculty/staff, students, community members. No waiting, but keeping several agents busy.
We'll know more when they release season ticket seats (did someone say 5 PM?). But CC is selling OK and BB a bit. More than usual 28 hours before a mid-week game, I might guess. But I have no stats, and even if true it may well not be predictive.
Peeked into the gym - seeing the cross-court two court setup made me wonder: is there a chance they have to play on top of extra lines if they host the 2nd round?
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 02:43:40 PMHere's the only documentation I can find on this..
How about this one:
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game)
QuoteExperimental rule
The panel also approved an experimental rule to allow players six personal fouls, instead of five, in the 2016 postseason tournaments other than the Division I Men's Basketball Championship.
They have a message board at tigerfans.net (specifically http://www.tigerfans.net/boards/forums/tigers-sports-board.4/ (http://www.tigerfans.net/boards/forums/tigers-sports-board.4/)). It seems not very active, but they did post a pretty nice preview of our team (in one season-long thread, it seems?).
Maybe I'm missing more active conversations or boards. It's be great if we could get that guy over here, or give them our perspective pn or team, the match, etc. Any takers?
The LBAA Tournament Boys Championship game tips at 3:30pm Sunday... followed by the awards ceremony...
https://lbaatournament.org/brackets/?tourn_id=7
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 03:35:23 PM
The LBAA Tournament Boys Championship game tips at 3:30pm Sunday... followed by the awards ceremony...
https://lbaatournament.org/brackets/?tourn_id=7
I have little idea what the actual rules might be. But that makes a Monday NIT game sound pretty plausible.
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
I don't have a cite handy, but I don't think there's any doubt. All post-season tournaments except the NCAA are playing with six fouls.
Like they experimented with the 30 second shot clock and widened no-charge arc last post-season.
If they increase to six, that makes it possible to commit more fouls in a game. Has any thought been given to changing the bonus structure so that we don't wind up marching back and forth to shoot free throws , i.e., start the bonus/double bonus later than the 7th/10th fouls? Just wondering......
From the TSU board:
NIT is next. Playing @ Valpo. Alec Peters is a dangerous 6-9 Forward who is averaging 18ppg & 8rpg. He's a 3pt shooter who we'll need to close out on, draws lots of fouls and is a high % FT shooter.
<<Insert Photo of Jordan Fouse driving on Jabril>>
Keith Carter is there #2 guy to watch out for and Vashil Fernandez is going to be Mutumbo under the basket. Sounds like they're going to be a zone D as they're going to have a height advantage, butttttt their team is beatable. They lost a heartbreaker in OT in their tournament championship, so their minds might not be in it -- we'll see.
Here are their typical starters. They interchange Hammink with Walker, but with our height I anticipate Walker being in the starting 5.
<<Insert picture of Keith, Tevonn, Vashil, David and Alec>>
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
From the TSU board:
...They lost a heartbreaker in OT in their tournament championship, so their minds might not be in it -- we'll see.
I stopped by to watch practice for a little while this afternoon, and I don't think we have to worry about their minds being in it.
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Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
From the TSU board:
...They lost a heartbreaker in OT in their tournament championship, so their minds might not be in it -- we'll see.
I stopped by to watch practice for a little while this afternoon, and I don't think we have to worry about their minds being in it.
It didn't occur to me they'd be in Hilltop! I was a little surprised not to find any of them in the main gym. Obviously practice visiting is not a regular hobby of mine.
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 03:35:23 PM
The LBAA Tournament Boys Championship game tips at 3:30pm Sunday... followed by the awards ceremony...
https://lbaatournament.org/brackets/?tourn_id=7
I have little idea what the actual rules might be. But that makes a Monday NIT game sound pretty plausible.
Typically, the Sunday LBAA games in the arena are played on the main floor. Perhaps a Sunday night game wouldn't be impossible.
The visitor [sic, was erroneously "Texas Southern" but they're gone at that point, or not playing in the ARC] has got to be entitled to some practice time on the game court. _Maybe_ there are times too early or too late for junior high school players that might be available before Sunday? *shrug*
Wrong Game... this would be either Florida State or Davidson....
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
Wrong Game... this would be either Florida State or Davidson....
Yeah, my bad. Fixed above. Perhaps a sign that I'm going too far out on a limb of hypotheticals. Somehow a strangely compelling game to play.
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2016, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: valpopal on March 14, 2016, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
From the TSU board:
...They lost a heartbreaker in OT in their tournament championship, so their minds might not be in it -- we'll see.
I stopped by to watch practice for a little while this afternoon, and I don't think we have to worry about their minds being in it.
It didn't occur to me they'd be in Hilltop! I was a little surprised not to find any of them in the main gym. Obviously practice visiting is not a regular hobby of mine.
They were in the main gym. I was there during the 3:00 to 4:00 hour.
Predictions:
1. Valpo wins 67-54
2. My 5 year old gets super tired and crabby (he's a mean drunk)
3. We host another game and many people here feel foolish for thinking there isn't a plan in place (or I will for posting that)
Quote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
If you want to watch Texas Southern... ESPN has one of their games on the archive list...
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2734537/ (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2734537/)
from 2/29 against Alabama State
They have a HUGE band... I wonder if they will make the trip?
Watched this game and not so sure this is a good match up for us. Very Green Bay-esque team. Lots of drive and kick with run outs using an athletic smaller lineup that hits the offensive glass hard and shares the ball VERY well. Alabama State is not the same defensive team that we are, but having Tevonn back at close to 100% to guard on the perimeter could be critical to our success.
At home vs a SWAC team. Should be a 16.5 point victory.
Quote from: HC on March 14, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
2. My 5 year old gets super tired and crabby (he's a mean drunk)
3. We host another game...
I was surprised by the late tip - maybe a request from the visiting team? Apparently not for TV. Local schools start half an hour late Wednesday's, but I'll feel guilty taking my kids - they'll be tired in the morning.
Definitely won't have as many families as for eg a Saturday game.
I have moderate confidence there will be a plan to host a home game. 60-75%? I'll be surprised if they announce it immediately after the game.
Time to get our first post-season victory tonight in what seems like forever ago. The one thing that worries me is that they come out flat and disappointed of not going where they wanted to go. Is the NIT the NCAAs? No. Still an NIT tournament champion banner would look nice hanging in the rafters of the ARC.
Beware of the Ides of March !!!!
Paul's game intro article:
Crusaders begin path to New York on Tuesday night
VALPARAISO | As the pain of not making the NCAA tournament has set in over the last 24 hours and with the opportunity to make a run in the National Invitational Tournament in front of them, the Valparaiso men's basketball team got back to work on Monday afternoon.
Coaches and managers worked late into the evening on Sunday preparing a game plan for Texas Southern which was delivered to the team before Monday's practice. That didn't stop some of the players from doing their own research when they got back to their dorm rooms following the selection show.
"We definitely went back and did some homework," Valparaiso junior Jubril Adekoya said. "We talked to a couple guys we know and we know some of these guys from playing AAU. They're a pretty athletic group."
The Tigers (18-14) feature one of the most intriguing players that will ever grace the court at the Athletics-Recreation Center in redshirt freshman Derrick Griffin (6'7"). Once hailed as one of the top wide receiver :o prospects in the country, Griffin enrolled at Miami (Fla.) in 2013 but was an academic non-qualifier. Griffin arrived at Texas Southern this season and was a standout on the gridiron before taking the hardwood and earning SWAC Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Newcomer of the Year accolades.
While Griffin will be a handful for the Crusaders (26-6) along with seniors Chris Thomas and Malcolm Riley, Valparaiso will be heavily favored in the game as it enters the NIT as one of the No. 1 seeds. Winning on Tuesday will be the first step of what the players hope is a five-game healing process that culminates with cutting the nets down in Madison Square Garden.
"Only by winning this whole thing we can erase the sting we have of not making the tournament," Valparaiso senior Keith Carter said.
Carter is anxious to get back on the court on Tuesday night after he ended Valparaiso's 99-92 overtime loss to Green Bay sitting on the bench with five fouls. With a second lease on life, Carter gets another opportunity to play at the Athletics-Recreation Center.
"I feel like I let my teammates down (in Detroit)," Carter said. "It feels good to have another home game. A goal of ours now is to win this whole tournament."
Adekoya was a freshman the last time Valparaiso hosted a postseason game — a last second loss to Columbia in the 2014 College Insider.com Tournament — and the junior forward sees a marked difference between the two situations.
"We were pretty young back then," Adekoya said. "The leaders of our team, I feel like we have more leadership now and that's a big difference. We're a closer knit group and we're hungry to keep winning games."
FYI
DERRICK GRIFFIN
6-7, 225#
13.1 PPG*
58 Blocks*
291 RBs*
33 Minutes/game**
FG% 65.7%*
FT% 51.9%
3 Point % 0.00 (0-3)
* Leads team
** 2nd most
Yeah, feels like we're going up against a 21st century Bo Jackson or something. It didn't make the print cut, but someone on twitter (probably Paul?) mentioned that there was also an incident involving a punch. On the court? So, an emotional player, perhaps. And obviously decorated.
Shoots almost 66% from the floor and has more ORBs than DRBs. At 225 lbs. he'll be a hand-full down low. But with 6 fouls instead of 5, putting him on the FT line at 51% could come into play.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 15, 2016, 11:17:56 AM
Shoots almost 66% from the floor and has more ORBs than DRBs. At 225 lbs. he'll be a hand-full down low. But with 6 fouls instead of 5, putting him on the FT line at 51% could come into play.
Sounds like someone we played previously... Jalen Billups anyone? Griffin takes a lower percentage of shots, but a similar amount of total shots. Vashil was able to handle Billups, but I'd kind of like to see Alec d up on Griffin. Alec's got a similar build but has 3 inches on him. That would be a fun match up.
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 14, 2016, 11:31:37 AMI decided to "splurge" and get chairbacks for the game, got them in Section G, row N. I'm thinking I should have waited until after 5 PM since that's when they are releasing the season tickets that are snatched up, but who knows how the chairbacks will show up for their season tickets, so I got what I could.
I'm in section G and within 2 rows of row N.
Can you yell something different so I know who you are? Like "what's that, talksalot, I can't understand what you are saying." ;)
Very excited about watching the Crusaders in action tonight. I have surprised myself at how quickly I have been able to move past the disappointment of not playing in the Big Dance. Going to the Dr's. for a check-up, just to make sure everything's ok. Low T?
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Quote from: Kyle321n on March 14, 2016, 11:31:37 AMI decided to "splurge" and get chairbacks for the game, got them in Section G, row N. I'm thinking I should have waited until after 5 PM since that's when they are releasing the season tickets that are snatched up, but who knows how the chairbacks will show up for their season tickets, so I got what I could.
I'm in section G and within 2 rows of row N.
Can you yell something different so I know who you are? Like "what's that, talksalot, I can't understand what you are saying." ;)
I'll be in a old 1983 white Sox hat so I'm easy to spot.
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Ticket sales look... OK. Not great. Pretty good downstairs, with the center six sold pretty well (half a dozen places left with four seats together?). Somehow D didn't sell as well, lots of seats remaining there.
CC upstairs has sold moderately well. And a few sold in BB and DD.
1,500? We'll see how the walk-up is. Hopefully big! And hopefully a decent student section.
How'd we do last time? Columbia? 1,663 reported, also on a Tuesday. Hopefully we can do better than that for a much better VU team, etc. But, we'll see.
Come out to the ARC!
VU ran a full-page ad in today's Times Section that says tonight is "Pack the Arc" night. So that means 5,000 will show up, right? ;D
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Hell, why stop at 500?
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2016, 03:18:02 PMQuote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 02:43:40 PMHere's the only documentation I can find on this..
How about this one: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game) QuoteExperimental rule The panel also approved an experimental rule to allow players six personal fouls, instead of five, in the 2016 postseason tournaments other than the Division I Men's Basketball Championship.
Gross. They should make the NBA more like college ball, not the other way around.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 15, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2016, 03:18:02 PMQuote from: talksalot on March 14, 2016, 02:43:40 PMHere's the only documentation I can find on this..
How about this one: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-06-08/ncaa-changes-shot-clock-30-seconds-makes-other-changes-game) QuoteExperimental rule The panel also approved an experimental rule to allow players six personal fouls, instead of five, in the 2016 postseason tournaments other than the Division I Men's Basketball Championship.
Gross. They should make the NBA more like college ball, not the other way around.
Actually why not conform to the international rules and standards across the board. Our players are constantly having to adjust when playing outside the US of A. Just because we invented the sport doesn't mean we must stick to our rules out of stubbornness when the rest of the world goes another direction.
Looking at the Vegas line movements... staying fairly constant in the 15.5 - 16 range...with 58% of the money on "TSU+the points" and 68% on the "Over" of 143.5
The only other game that matters would be the Seminoles giving 9 at home to Davidson with an OU of 169.... 57% of the money is on FSU to cover, and 77% on the OVER.
Other NIT lines for today:
St. Marys -12 over New Mexico State
San Diego St -11 over Fort Wayne
Creighton -7 over Alabama
Florida -7.5 over North Florida
Washington -8.5 over Long Beach State
Ohio State -5 over Akron
South Carolina -16 over High Point
CIT games tonight:
Coastal Carolina -6.5 over Mercer
Tennessee State -2.5 over Ball State
ULMonroe - Pick'em - Furman
CBI game tonight
Siena -6.5 over Morehead State
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 15, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
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Hell, why stop at 500?
Uh, don't students get in for free to all the games??
YES, but tonight they need a "hard ticket"...just show your ID and get one.
63 and sunny? Now what will the excuses be?
Halftime FSU 30- Davidson 26
Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
63 and sunny? Now what will the excuses be?
It's been a georgeous day for this time of year. Hopefully, a good crowd tonight!
Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
63 and sunny? Now what will the excuses be?
Ohio State was like 1/4 full playing an in-state school on ESPN. Not all that surprising there isn't a huge draw for a SWAC team during the NIT. Although if I lived in Valpo I'd totally be there :/
Vashil looks lost out there
Look a little bit rusty...
No T Walker?
Looks like this team studied the Green Bay game tape.
We are getting out rebounded. Need to hit the glass in the second half
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Texas Southern is polished. Very impressive.
Checked out some of the other games today, and our level of play tonight would not beat the other high seeds. Need to step it up and play consistently good basketball.
We need to find some defense in the second half.
Aside from the students, Valpo's crowd is dull. Come on folks! Show at least a bit of emotion! A bunch of our people look like they're watching an opera.
We are overrated.
I'm really surprised that a Mike Davis coached team is this undisciplined WRT technical fouls. Is not line there's egregious officiating out there. TSU is just losing their cool at odd times.
FLORIDA STATE THURSDAY NIGHT
Found just enough d in the second half led by Vashil. Great game from Alec. Now we get a big school at home. Finally.
I've been fasting from the board a bit after the HL Tourney...even tonight there's a lot of gloom and doom. Think of this though, this is the biggest post-season win for Valparaiso University since the sweet 16 run in 1998. It's been a looong time since Valpo has won in a major post-season tourney and for this team to find the passion to win against a team that was scrappy and having a good game is big. Do you think we can get up for Florida State? I do.
Quote from: rink on March 15, 2016, 10:01:57 PM
I'm really surprised that a Mike Davis coached team is this undisciplined WRT technical fouls. Is not line there's egregious officiating out there. TSU is just losing their cool at odd times.
Yeah, they unravelled a bit in the second half. But gotta hand it to them, they came to play. Quicker than us and very athletic. Can't believe some of the shots they made in close. Davis is a class guy. Wish him and TSU the best next year. They play in the SWAC and all those teams are underfunded. Imagine 11 OOC games on the ROAD.
Big hurdle to overcome. Psychologically we needed to win this tourney game.
Will Florida State be the first ACC team ever to play at the ARC??
Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
Will Florida State be the first ACC team ever to play at the ARC??
Without looking anything up, if Notre Dame's pre-ACC tenure counts, then no.
Quote from: HailVU2014 on March 15, 2016, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
Will Florida State be the first ACC team ever to play at the ARC??
Without looking anything up, if Notre Dame's pre-ACC tenure counts, then no.
With looking, the only current member of the ACC to play at the ARC is Notre Dame. And they were, obviously, a long ways from joining when they did.
We played Louisville in the 1923-24 season (Pre-ARC, Pre-Hilltop, Pre-Boucher Gym)... and we won... but the online record book does not show home/away information.
Quote from: wh on March 15, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
63 and sunny? Now what will the excuses be?
It's been a georgeous day for this time of year. Hopefully, a good crowd tonight!
The thunderstorms were conveniently shifted to after the game. Light show was getting started as we left the ARC.
Valpo was on the wrong side of #6 on the SC Top 10. Not a play I remember so we'll, some kind of an alley-oop (or salvaged into one?) way high off the background.
The one I remember better and -would- like to see again was their 23 with a reverse jam on an alley-oop.
When he dunked on the empty possession at the buzzer, I'd have been happy to see him 360. Athletic young man, for sure.
Vashil within striking distance tonight of that triple double someone called for earlier this season.
Tied VU record with eight blocks, and hit four straight FT's besides. I noticed him having a modestly quiet night offensively, was consoled by affected shots, etc. Hadn't noticed eight blocks!
Quote from: bsmith21 on March 15, 2016, 07:18:31 PM
Got a bad time slot. To be honest even as a valpo fan I'm more interested in the vandy v witchita stat play-in game than I am in the valpo game. If I lived in valpo I think I'd stay in or go to a bar and watch that game instead of going to this game that shouldn't be close. Am I the only one that thinks this way?
Yes, you were.
Quote from: agibson on March 15, 2016, 11:39:02 PMwas consoles by affected sh!ts,
A very unfortunate typo.
Fun game to watch. TSU was much better than I had predicted. Their athleticism caused us some problems, and you could tell that they were used to playing on the road. I think that FSU will be in for a rude awakening, as our guys will get up even more for that game. The whole, 'Power 5 teams refused to play us this year,' chip on our shoulder.
Our on ball defense continues to suffer when Tevonn is not in the lineup. The last half of the conference season his scoring was down, but he was still playing good defense. Both GB and TSU did the same thing to us, put their head down and went strong to the basket. Only difference between this game and the GB game is we hit a greater % of our shots and they missed several open 3 pointers.
Hopefully we play better on Thursday, but we still seem to be in a bit of a funk. Not saying we played bad, just not to the level we saw the first half of the conference season. During that 6 game stretch, we could have beaten anyone in the country.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 16, 2016, 07:46:59 AMOur on ball defense continues to suffer when Tevonn is not in the lineup. The last half of the conference season his scoring was down, but he was still playing good defense. Both GB and TSU did the same thing to us, put their head down and went strong to the basket. Only difference between this game and the GB game is we hit a greater % of our shots and they missed several open 3 pointers. Hopefully we play better on Thursday, but we still seem to be in a bit of a funk. Not saying we played bad, just not to the level we saw the first half of the conference season. During that 6 game stretch, we could have beaten anyone in the country.
Well said. Totally agree. Permineter defense thinks if opponent dribble penetrates Vashil will save us. Seems like we aren't defending or rebounding as well as the beginning of the year.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 16, 2016, 07:46:59 AMOur on ball defense continues to suffer when Tevonn is not in the lineup. The last half of the conference season his scoring was down, but he was still playing good defense. Both GB and TSU did the same thing to us, put their head down and went strong to the basket. Only difference between this game and the GB game is we hit a greater % of our shots and they missed several open 3 pointers.
Hopefully we play better on Thursday, but we still seem to be in a bit of a funk.
Tevonn is an integral part of this
Team, we seem to really suffer when he is not in the lineup or playing well. I wish things were different, but if they were unwilling to test the ankle last night I don't see him really able to go on Thursday anywhere close to 100%.
Did I miss something last night or did somebody forget to tell the officials and the ESPN crew that the NIT was suppose to allow a sixth foul in the tournament. Didn't TSU have a player foul out with only 5 fouls?
We actually asked the officials about it... and the NCAA changed their mind about this... No Rules Changes for the tournaments.
Quote from: talksalot on March 16, 2016, 08:27:48 AM
We actually asked the officials about it... and the NCAA changed their mind about this... No Rules Changes for the tournaments.
In all honestly, I'm glad. Why do we need six fouls?
NBA games are 120% the length of a college game, and they get 120% of the fouls. One foul per eight minutes.
No reason to change the college game.
Quote from: talksalot on March 16, 2016, 08:27:48 AM
We actually asked the officials about it... and the NCAA changed their mind about this... No Rules Changes for the tournaments.
Thought I saw a little discussion at the table and was wondering if that question was being discussed.
Thomas and Griffin were legitimate upper mid-major-power 5 type players. Mike Davis has an uncanny knack of accumulating talented players who have lost their way at other schools. Not the greatest bench coach (otherwise his career wouldn't be descending the conference levels (IU-UAB-TXS) but he seems to reach the kids. Our defense on Thomas was generally pretty good, he is a great driver and the best guard Carter has had to try to stop all year (including Felder and Love). Thomas has a flying arm bar when he drives that should have been called at least 2x and even a third. He ran over E Vic and there was no call. But hey, if they let you do it.... The Griffin off the backboard with 10 or so secs left was pretty, especially because Thomas was able to see and make the pass. When you're down 13 with 20 secs left....why not! Well, we now have our Power 5 in the ARC. Go Crusaders!
For a game clearly not at the top of the priority for ESPN coupled with all of the NCAA tourney talk, I thought that the announcers that ESPN assigned were quite good. Admittedly, the color guy was pretty pro-Valpo and offered some solid arguments why the NCAA tourney selection is stacked against mid-majors...so that helped my opinion. But they were knowledgeable, a little quirky, and reasonably energetic. I have to admit that, for whatever reason, the play-by-play guy's voice sounds like he is an experienced bobsled announcer and the color guy sounds like he does color for the World Series of Poker.
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 16, 2016, 08:55:55 AMAdmittedly, the color guy was pretty pro-Valpo and offered some solid arguments why the NCAA tourney selection is stacked against mid-majors...so that helped my opinion.
Adams... Is it Mark Adams? I think he's one of the main ASN guys and apparently a Valpo and Wichita State fan (and not shy about saying it on Twitter).
He's on the game Thursday too. He's my source (admittedly the only legit source I've heard; you figure he's Ina. Good position to know, but could be wrong) for the broadcast being on ESPN News (a network they did -not- use last year).
Quote from: FWalum on March 16, 2016, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: talksalot on March 16, 2016, 08:27:48 AM
We actually asked the officials about it... and the NCAA changed their mind about this... No Rules Changes for the tournaments.
Thought I saw a little discussion at the table and was wondering if that question was being discussed.
this was discussed in the pre-game meeting between our clock ops/scorer and the officials (I wasn't there)...
There were several conversations at the table. The one that was Blanks 5th foul and the T on Chris Thomas where the conversation was on the order of events... turned out that Blanks foul was the Team 10 so the number of shots was immaterial; and one where they called EVic on a charge at the end of the game... and signaled the foul on Skara (they changed it); and one on a replay for Riley's 3-pointer with 6:30 to play in the game, was he behind the line; and what did we put in the book ... one official signaled a 2 the other signaled a 3.... it was a 3 which is what we put on the board.
All three of those officials have NCAA calls... Don't know who's working our game on Thursday... but it won't be an NCAA tournament official crew
Quote from: talksalot on March 16, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
All three of those officials have NCAA calls... Don't know who's working our game on Thursday... but it won't be an NCAA tournament official crew
I thought the officials were overall pretty good. They let the teams play a little more than I'm sure Bryce would have liked but overall can't complain about a pretty evenly called game.
As long as we don't get a Horizon League crew, I'll be happy. There's the team with the 2 bald refs, one of which looks like David Kaplan, which is just awful and as soon as I see them on the court I tell my wife we're in for a long game.
Congrats Texas Southern...one of my students said they saw their fancy off the backboard dunk made the top ten. That play was about as toughly defended as the warm up lines.
Quote from: HC on March 16, 2016, 10:08:16 AMCongrats Texas Southern...one of my students said they saw their fancy off the backboard dunk made the top ten. That play was about as toughly defended as the warm up lines.
Number six in the SC that I saw. Was that the one with ten seconds left? I didn't remember the off-the-backboard element from the game. But, no surprise if we weren't defending much up 13, ten seconds left. The previous position we thought about holding the ball for a shot clock violation (Keith did end up driving the lane).
We were otherwise rather absent from Sportscenter. Don't know if it was the ESPN/ESPN2 NIT games they were including, or just games they considered more interesting matchups, or what.
Yeah, it was right at the end
Now that our TSU game is in the books, and most of us came away with good impressions of Mike Davis and his Tigers, I thought I'd post this link from USAToday on the difficulties faced by coaches and players in HBCU. You have to respect the fortitude and resilience of these individuals. On the other hand, you have to seriously wonder why they have such a burden to bear. All but a three of the 23 SWAC and MEAC schools are state schools, yet their share of state education funding seems to be perpetually below that of comparable public colleges.
Successful HBCU basketball coaches endure rockier climb
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/meac/2016/03/15/successful-hbcu-basketball-coaches-endure-rockier-climb-hampton-meac/81820174/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/meac/2016/03/15/successful-hbcu-basketball-coaches-endure-rockier-climb-hampton-meac/81820174/)
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 16, 2016, 11:03:23 AM
Now that our TSU game is in the books, and most of us came away with good impressions of Mike Davis and his Tigers, I thought I'd post this link from USAToday on the difficulties faced by coaches and players in HBCU. You have to respect the fortitude and resilience of these individuals. On the other hand, you have to seriously wonder why they have such a burden to bear. All but a three of the 23 SWAC and MEAC schools are state schools, yet their share of state education funding seems to be perpetually below that of comparable public colleges.
Successful HBCU basketball coaches endure rockier climb
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/meac/2016/03/15/successful-hbcu-basketball-coaches-endure-rockier-climb-hampton-meac/81820174/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/meac/2016/03/15/successful-hbcu-basketball-coaches-endure-rockier-climb-hampton-meac/81820174/)
I find this rather interesting in that the majority of players that these coaches at non-HBCU schools are coaching are black but since they coach at a non-HBCU school they benefit from the student body being majority non-black. Does anyone else find this odd?
Quote from: FWalum on March 16, 2016, 08:17:58 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 16, 2016, 07:46:59 AMOur on ball defense continues to suffer when Tevonn is not in the lineup. The last half of the conference season his scoring was down, but he was still playing good defense. Both GB and TSU did the same thing to us, put their head down and went strong to the basket. Only difference between this game and the GB game is we hit a greater % of our shots and they missed several open 3 pointers.
Hopefully we play better on Thursday, but we still seem to be in a bit of a funk.
Tevonn is an integral part of this Team, we seem to really suffer when he is not in the lineup or playing well. I wish things were different, but if they were unwilling to test the ankle last night I don't see him really able to go on Thursday anywhere close to 100%.
According to Bryce in the post game press conference he thought about putting Tevonn in the game several times but due to the pace of the game he felt that the chances of T Walker getting hurt again were more likely and he decided against it. He said Tevonn will be ready to play against Florida State.