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Title: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on March 08, 2021, 07:28:16 PM
https://twitter.com/spyreportoh/status/1342850409853976576?s=21
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: M on March 09, 2021, 12:11:20 PM
Thats some stiff competition for that young man already.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 16, 2021, 05:44:00 AM
https://twitter.com/sinhalltime4624/status/1393590435780648965?s=20
https://twitter.com/DinoCookJr1/status/1381462589310402561?s=20
https://twitter.com/DinoCookJr1/status/1314059565781188608?s=20
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on May 26, 2021, 10:00:45 PM
https://twitter.com/jakelieberman2/status/1397730427062800384?s=21
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vufan75 on June 14, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
Ran across this dribbling drill on Twitter that 2023 Guard Dino Cook was working on. If I recall correctly, I think he is visiting soon.

https://twitter.com/DinoCook7/status/1404403128213159944?s=19

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on June 15, 2021, 11:07:48 PM
https://twitter.com/dinocookjr1/status/1404932396387123201?s=21
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 16, 2021, 08:20:49 AM
To vufan75 and VU2014,
I've long noticed that you diligently track recruiting activity and share current developments here on the board. I've also observed that when a prospect tweets about a visit or an offer, you often add something complimentary about the men's basketball program and the university for the prospect to consider. Great job of demonstrating fan and school loyalty at the highest level! Thank you.
wh
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vufan75 on June 16, 2021, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: wh on June 16, 2021, 08:20:49 AM
To vufan75 and VU2014,
I've long noticed that you diligently track recruiting activity and share current developments here on the board. I've also observed that when a prospect tweets about a visit or an offer, you often add something complimentary about the men's basketball program and the university for the prospect to consider. Great job of demonstrating fan and school loyalty at the highest level! Thank you.
wh
Thank you sir! Enjoy following the recruiting for ValpoMBB.

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: bbtds on June 17, 2021, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 15, 2021, 11:07:48 PM
https://twitter.com/dinocookjr1/status/1404932396387123201?s=21

Couldn't they put a giant circle with a back slash through the circle over the word Crusaders on the sign in Hilltop gym to signify that Valpo is no longer the Crusaders?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on June 19, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
On my resume, can I no longer claim that I was a Crusader Scholarship recipient?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: bbtds on June 20, 2021, 01:05:26 AM
Quote from: valpotx on June 19, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
On my resume, can I no longer claim that I was a Crusader Scholarship recipient?

You should put the circle with the back slash through the word Crusader on your resume.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 20, 2021, 05:52:33 AM
Quote from: valpotx on June 19, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
On my resume, can I no longer claim that I was a Crusader Scholarship recipient?

If you're concerned that the word Crusader might offend someone, it won't. Of course, that doesn't mean someone won't say they find it offensive.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: humbleopinion on June 20, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: valpotx on June 19, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
On my resume, can I no longer claim that I was a Crusader Scholarship recipient?
Presuming that you're not looking for your first job, you might want to edit your resume' and drop off references to scholarships.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on June 21, 2021, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on June 20, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: valpotx on June 19, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
On my resume, can I no longer claim that I was a Crusader Scholarship recipient?
Presuming that you're not looking for your first job, you might want to edit your resume' and drop off references to scholarships.

Yes, it was a joke ;).  I hire people for a living.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on June 21, 2021, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: wh on June 20, 2021, 05:52:33 AMIf you're concerned that the word Crusader might offend someone, it won't. Of course, that doesn't mean someone won't say they find it offensive.

I don't really understand this point. Just because something doesn't offend you doesn't mean it won't offend someone else. I used to think it was silly for anyone to say they were bothered by the mascot, but then I listened to the people that were offended by it. While I might not agree with their thoughts on it, who am I to tell them they're wrong? I think anyone offended by Kaepernick kneeling for the anthem is out of their minds, but that doesn't mean they're not offended.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on September 20, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1440045603837263889?s=21
https://twitter.com/nick_baumgart/status/1438612570588450824?s=21
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on September 21, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
Plays for Culver Academies but hometown shows as Valpo.

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/cooper-farrall/fs6pksHhEemAzfp8ouYFiw/videos.htm?videoid=dc374e28-44b6-42b1-9f4b-adc41008cced
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on September 21, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 20, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1440045603837263889?s=21
https://twitter.com/nick_baumgart/status/1438612570588450824?s=21

Get used to the name. Hailing from Valpo South, Luther Smith is a shoe-in future Beacon.

Hailing from Valpo, Farrell will, of course, be going elsewhere.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on September 21, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: wh on September 21, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 20, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1440045603837263889?s=21
https://twitter.com/nick_baumgart/status/1438612570588450824?s=21

Get used to the name. Hailing from Valpo South, Luther Smith is a shoe-in future Beacon.

Hailing from Valpo, Farrell will, of course, be going elsewhere.

Who is the last Valpo native we've successfully recruited to Valpo Basketball (discounting Steven Helm who was a preferred walk-on and had a very unique situation).

Many native want to leave town. Sounds like he a great skill set
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on September 21, 2021, 05:07:30 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 21, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
Who is the last Valpo native we've successfully recruited to Valpo Basketball (discounting Steven Helm who was a preferred walk-on and had a very unique situation).

1994 recruiting class?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: bbtds on September 21, 2021, 11:37:26 PM
I once visited Culver on a business trip and I and a friend went through Culver Academies. We talked to the ice rink maintenance guy, who lived in a Chicago suburb, told us that he once ran into the First Lady of Mexico in the Culver Walmart because the son of the President of Mexico decided to attend Culver Academies. He, the Steinbrenners, who own the Yankees, Evan Bayh. Hal Holbrook, Josh Logan III, Roger Penske and Gene Siskel all attended Culver Academies.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on October 07, 2021, 12:38:09 PM
https://twitter.com/5parker5/status/1446163580479578121
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on October 07, 2021, 01:19:29 PM
Odd that we would offer a 4 star recruit that already has multiple power 5 offers and this late in the game. I wonder if there is some sort of connection there that makes the coaching staff think we have a chance.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on October 07, 2021, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on October 07, 2021, 12:38:09 PM
https://twitter.com/5parker5/status/1446163580479578121

https://twitter.com/5parker5/status/1446138627780661258?s=21

Quote from: vok22 on October 07, 2021, 01:19:29 PM
Odd that we would offer a 4 star recruit that already has multiple power 5 offers and this late in the game. I wonder if there is some sort of connection there that makes the coaching staff think we have a chance.

All Coaching Staffs target or identify some moon shot recruits. I don't mind it as long as we are spending most of our time on realistic recruits as well. You also never know, if the kid transfers. Time spent now may pay dividends down the road.

Kobe King and Joe Hedstrom were recruited by Valpo out of high school. Trevor Anderson was heavily recruited when he decided to leave Green Bay but chose Wisconsin. Dividends may have paid off there.

https://twitter.com/kightlance/status/1446133286800019468?s=21
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: oklahomamick on October 08, 2021, 09:30:48 AM
A couple of my students saw them eating at Mother Road Market down the street from Tulsa University campus on old Route 66. 
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on October 08, 2021, 10:37:43 AM
Isn't Young also from Oklahoma? Is this maybe a desire to expand our footprint a bit, or maybe a connection through that?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUGrad1314 on October 08, 2021, 10:47:57 AM
Quote from: crusader05 on October 08, 2021, 10:37:43 AMIsn't Young also from Oklahoma? Is this maybe a desire to expand our footprint a bit, or maybe a connection through that?



I think there were connections at play there. I do think we are trying to become more nationally (and of course remaining internationally) focused on recruiting which I think is and can definitely be a good thing. It can only be helped with more success from the program and the conference as a whole! Go Valpo!


This reflects a point I made earlier this morning in the expansion thread:  you don't NEED schools in a certain area in your conference to recruit athletes and market and recruiting territory is at least a little bit overrated. These things help and they are valuable but they aren't necessary. Really, most of our roster this year is living proof of and testament to that fact. 
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on October 08, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
The same with Sheldon and W. Palm Beach, FL. How in the world does that happen?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: NotBryceDrew on October 08, 2021, 12:15:52 PM
I forget exactly how they found Sheldon I was told at one point and forgot. Think it may be they were looking at someone else who they were a long shot for and noticed Sheldon.

He had been severely under recruited because he was a year below a P5 guy who's family member coached the team or something similar. Once they confirmed his numbers were legit they went all in on him.

May not be 100% but that's the jist.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: oklahomamick on October 08, 2021, 12:52:55 PM
Maybe Sheldon though it was Valparaiso, FL.......

For me the biggest adjustment besides being away from family was, 1. Weather 2.  No Bermuda grass on the soccer field 3.  Lack of BBQ in Valpo

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on January 24, 2022, 08:48:06 PM
https://twitter.com/bigshotsglobal/status/1475549384075104256?s=21
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: EddieCabot on June 30, 2022, 02:29:55 PM

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: EddieCabot on June 30, 2022, 02:31:12 PM

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: EddieCabot on June 30, 2022, 02:35:48 PM

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: EddieCabot on June 30, 2022, 02:38:22 PM

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on July 01, 2022, 10:06:17 AM
Two more players listed in Verbal Commits that VU has offered to are:

Cameron Manyawu  6'8 PF from Kansas City, MO
Mekhi Lowery 6'6 SF from Oswego, IL
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on July 02, 2022, 04:40:31 PM
Two more players listed on Verbal Commits

Darrion Baker  6'8 PF  Hillcrest HS  Country Club Hills , IL
Drew Scharnowski   6'8 PF  Central HS  Burlington, IL
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: EddieCabot on July 12, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on June 30, 2022, 02:31:12 PM

[tweet]1542210461944279040[/tweet]

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on July 12, 2022, 03:34:01 PM
Wow!  A great get and another BIG!  MaxPreps has him ranked as the #5 player in Indiana and he was a Core Junior All-Star.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on July 12, 2022, 10:54:17 PM
The MVC is wide open this coming year.  Who knows what will happen.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AB on July 13, 2022, 01:08:00 AM
Truth. Well....The Aces will be pretty sucktastick  Drake, Belmont then everybody else.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on September 28, 2022, 03:09:01 PM
Don't think this was posted, but Valpo may have a real good one in Zane Doughty. He went for 14 points and 11 boards for the Indiana Junior All Stars v. Kentucky Junior All Stars in June.

https://statelinesportsnetwork.net/2022/06/08/indiana-senior-all-stars-upend-junior-all-stars-essegian-leaves-game-with-ankle-injury/


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on November 11, 2022, 12:51:45 PM
Any word on signed recruits for next season?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on November 11, 2022, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on November 11, 2022, 12:51:45 PM
Any word on signed recruits for next season?

Jahari Williamson and Zane Doughty have signed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi6hyxDnU4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3axLdkjfSmI
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on December 11, 2022, 03:17:38 PM
I'm pleased that Zane Doughty's attitude and intensity seem to remind me a bit of Bobby Capobianco: [tweet]1601976537061814272[/tweet]
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on December 14, 2022, 03:59:33 AM
The main difference being that from what I remember, Bobby could barely dunk :)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on December 14, 2022, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: valpotx on December 14, 2022, 03:59:33 AM
The main difference being that from what I remember, Bobby could barely dunk :)


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on December 17, 2022, 01:02:35 AM
That wasn't Valpo ;)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on March 26, 2023, 06:00:26 PM
Does Zane stay? Will he win Indiana Mr. Basketball 2023? I like champions.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on March 26, 2023, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 26, 2023, 06:00:26 PM
Does Zane stay? Will he win Indiana Mr. Basketball 2023? I like champions.

Considering he just updated his Twitter profile to erase Valpo Basketball commit and put his recruiter contact info and highlights video as his link... I'd say he's as good as gone at this point...
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on March 27, 2023, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 26, 2023, 06:00:26 PM
Does Zane stay? Will he win Indiana Mr. Basketball 2023? I like champions.
Markus Burton from Penn HS (Notre Dame signee) will win Mr. Basketball
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on March 27, 2023, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 26, 2023, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 26, 2023, 06:00:26 PM
Does Zane stay? Will he win Indiana Mr. Basketball 2023? I like champions.

Considering he just updated his Twitter profile to erase Valpo Basketball commit and put his recruiter contact info and highlights video as his link... I'd say he's as good as gone at this point...

It's possible he might've bailed even without a coaching change, but with the new uncertainty and Krikke entering the transfer portal, I can't blame the young man. He suddenly had no idea about what he'd be getting into.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on March 27, 2023, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 26, 2023, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 26, 2023, 06:00:26 PM
Does Zane stay? Will he win Indiana Mr. Basketball 2023? I like champions.

Considering he just updated his Twitter profile to erase Valpo Basketball commit and put his recruiter contact info and highlights video as his link... I'd say he's as good as gone at this point...

From Hoosiers: "Give the coach a chance!"


I like this line a great deal but it doesn't really apply.


"I didn't think I could cut it the other night, either, but after what Jimmy did, it would take the Indiana National Guard to get me out of here."
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on March 27, 2023, 11:58:26 AM
Unless there's a part of Doughty's game which is not apparent either on tape or within the stats, he's going to require a fairly specific program/coach.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on March 27, 2023, 12:13:48 PM
I cannot imagine a recruit not even waiting to see who the next coach is before making a decision to de-commit.  I also think Ben should wait before making any decision.  I do not understand why some of our posters in a way encourage Ben to transfer.  Where is your loyalty to Valpo?  I too want the best for Ben but not to the extent that he leave the program.  I put Valpo's interest before Ben's.  Ben's name is not on my diploma nor do I send my checks to him.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on March 27, 2023, 12:18:39 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 26, 2023, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 26, 2023, 06:00:26 PMDoes Zane stay? Will he win Indiana Mr. Basketball 2023? I like champions.
Considering he just updated his Twitter profile to erase Valpo Basketball commit and put his recruiter contact info and highlights video as his link... I'd say he's as good as gone at this point...
Instagram as well.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tjjvalpo on March 27, 2023, 02:02:05 PM
At the game on Saturday, there were a half dozen Power 5 conference Head Coaches at the game. ESPN has Bigunda rated 4th in the 2024 recruiting class. I didn't see the game, but the stats suggest that he is every bit as good as Bigunda. I am sure he will be going to Power 5 conference instead.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on March 27, 2023, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: tjjvalpo on March 27, 2023, 02:02:05 PM
At the game on Saturday, there were a half dozen Power 5 conference Head Coaches at the game. ESPN has Bigunda rated 4th in the 2024 recruiting class. I didn't see the game, but the stats suggest that he is every bit as good as Bigunda. I am sure he will be going to Power 5 conference instead.
Zane Doughty is not as good as Flory Bidunga. C'mon.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on March 27, 2023, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on March 27, 2023, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: tjjvalpo on March 27, 2023, 02:02:05 PM
At the game on Saturday, there were a half dozen Power 5 conference Head Coaches at the game. ESPN has Bigunda rated 4th in the 2024 recruiting class. I didn't see the game, but the stats suggest that he is every bit as good as Bigunda. I am sure he will be going to Power 5 conference instead.
Zane Doughty is not as good as Flory Bidunga. C'mon.

I have to second AK here. Zane has a very bright future, stats never tell the whole story.

Zane plays a physical brand of basketball could use a lot of polish in college. It makes more sense for him to play at the mid-major level where he'll get more early playing time and be able to get in game experience quicker.

If Coach Gore stays on staff, there is a chance he stays with Valpo and a very outside chance, Krikke as well.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on March 27, 2023, 04:27:45 PM
Looks like the two Canadian recruits no longer lost Valpo committ on Twitter also..
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on March 27, 2023, 05:44:02 PM
I fully expect all prior commits to decommit, and most on the roster to transfer. That is how things work nowadays, and I think that is generally a good thing. All coaches have different systems and are looking for different qualities. Why hamstring a new coach with players that don't fit their system? Whoever is hired will hit the transfer portal hard and recruit some guys that they think fits their model. It won't be built in a year, as it will be hard to recruit new freshmen in just a couple of months, but transfers should help ease the transition and fill out the roster.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on March 27, 2023, 06:34:14 PM
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1640492198239035397
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpofb16 on March 27, 2023, 06:39:29 PM
Zane had a monster senior season. End of semester Power 5 scholarships will be available.

Hoping for the best
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on March 27, 2023, 06:54:42 PM
We may see if VU can be one of those teams that basically starts over with a new HC and a slew of new players and somehow becomes competitive right away.

Well kids, at least we won't be bored over watching what transpires between now and fall practices.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AB on March 27, 2023, 07:06:54 PM
Is Zane he expected to be as good as Krikke was his Freshman year or better? Don't know how comparable Krikke's high school competition is to Zane's. If Doughty is as good as advertised, I would expect priority number one for the new head coach to pay an in home visit to his house, unless the coach want's to go a different direction. Don't know how good the Canadian guards are compared to Max and Tevonn as freshman.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpofb16 on March 27, 2023, 08:04:51 PM
No way to compare to Krikke but according to Massey, Zane played 10th hardest schedule in nation last season.

Indianapolis basketball is right up there with Chicago, LA, NYK. And produces lots of pros.

Mr. Basketball winners have gone power 5 every year since 2003 and Zane is the favorite. Late bloomer on this level, with coaching staff turnover as well will just need to wait and see.

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on March 27, 2023, 09:41:49 PM
If Valpo hires a five out coach, Doughty is gone and Valpo fans shouldn't worry about it. He shows no penchant for being able to play in that style of offense. I'm not even sure he could play in a high post offense which Valpo ran a lot this year through Krikke who seems to have a wider range of skills. Playing as a 6-8 or 6-9 guy in high school is nothing compared to playing at the same height in a decent collegiate league without being a shooter or leaper. His highlights show an ability to get position down low vs....very likely...a lot of competition which is either much smaller or inferior and high schoolers typically have no idea how to defend guys such as this. He did play well vs. the other big guy in his league so that's a plus for him.

I'm not trying to trash the guy without seeing all that much of him but, let's put it this way, he's no Peters who could basically do everything. As I said above...specific skill set which must go with a coach/program who would cater to him and I don't feel any coach should change his style because of this one player. Just get another guy who fits what you do.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: usc4valpo on March 28, 2023, 06:20:44 AM
One recruit does not make a program.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpofb16 on March 28, 2023, 06:39:40 AM
In my experience tracking football recruiting since roughly 2016.

Once a commit wipes their profile of the University they are good as gone (which someone else referenced earlier in thread )

Agreed one commit does not make program. I'm not sure if everything was smooth this off-season Zane's comjng here.

His rise on Indy basketball scene was a bit unprecedented
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on March 28, 2023, 08:38:07 AM
Zane is a great player playing with his back to the basket.  There are not alot of guys that do that well. At this point no outside game so he needs a system that will utilize his strengths.  Sure would love to see Zane and Ben together with Ben's outside game.  Zane handled the big guy from Kokomo very well, whether scoring or rebounding.  I like the fact that Zane can handle himself inside very well, even against tough big guys.  I sure hope he stays with us.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: usc4valpo on March 28, 2023, 09:27:21 AM
I agree 64 - and hopefully they can contribute toward a succesful direction in the basketball program.

The coaching decision should not be based on whether the coach can specifically keep these guys. They need to think long term.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on March 28, 2023, 12:13:30 PM
If Coach Gore comes back, I could see Zane giving Valpo a shot.

But that is totally dependent on the new HC. A head coach will not make an assistant coach hire based on one recruit.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on March 28, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleNeddenriep/status/1640774842537353220?s=20

Not a surprise
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: NativeCheesehead on March 28, 2023, 01:19:08 PM
Year 1 of the new regime probably will be loaded with portal guys and a few holdovers. Despite some coaches having some success right away recently I don't think we can reasonably expect that. I'll consider the new coach's first year to be a success if they achieve the following:

1. Show more competent game planning / managing on game days
2. Steady, consistent improvement over the course of the season
3. 5-7 'core' players through the portal or high school recruitment between this offseason and next that are ready to take the court in '24-'25

As far as scheduling it wouldn't shock me to see a schedule loaded with buy games to offset any costs of the coaching change.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on March 28, 2023, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 28, 2023, 01:19:08 PM
Year 1 of the new regime probably will be loaded with portal guys and a few holdovers. Despite some coaches having some success right away recently I don't think we can reasonably expect that. I'll consider the new coach's first year to be a success if they achieve the following:

1. Show more competent game planning / managing on game days
2. Steady, consistent improvement over the course of the season
3. 5-7 'core' players through the portal or high school recruitment between this offseason and next that are ready to take the court in '24-'25

As far as scheduling it wouldn't shock me to see a schedule loaded with buy games to offset any costs of the coaching change.

Year 2 will be the first fair measure of the new coach. Any W-L over .400 next season is gravy. Not being a pessimist. Just keeping realistic expectations.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on March 28, 2023, 03:43:39 PM
From the horses mouth.

https://twitter.com/doughtyzane/status/1640786998821527570?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on March 28, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
As a betting man I would wager that his change of heart has far less to do with Matt than with the heightened interest that his senior season success has brought. He and we should keep looking forward.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AB on March 28, 2023, 04:50:48 PM
Roster will be influx until July. This is going to be a rollercoaster off season.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on March 28, 2023, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: justducky on March 28, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
As a betting man I would wager that his change of heart has far less to do with Matt than with the heightened interest that his senior season success has brought. He and we should keep looking forward.

And let me add...if I were a betting man I would wager that his success has slick talking recruiters promoting NIL opportunities that Valpo could never compete with.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on March 28, 2023, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.

I loved him when he was one of us, but he turned his back and walked away. Can't say I blame him. Give me another day and I won't be able to remember his name.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on March 28, 2023, 08:46:02 PM
The apparent loss of Zane Doughty reminded me of another big center recruit and Indiana Mister Basketball runner-up who unfortunately never got a chance to show what he could do for the Crusaders, Kenny Harris, known as "Baby Shaq." He was an athletic 6'10" and 350 pounds with a surprisingly good mid-range shot in high school, and he was ranked nationally at #76. However, injury prone and because of a foot injury in his high school senior year, he entered VU as a freshman at over 400 pounds and played off the bench on a team that had Greg Tonagel as the point guard and a number of unusual characters as teammates.


Then he played a sophomore season during which he seemed to be getting back toward peak form, and everyone was looking forward to his junior and senior seasons. Homer had him work with trainers and a nutritionist to slowly make his way down to 310 pounds. Predictions were that he was going to be a Valpo legend but, as many may remember, in April of 2005 Kenny unfortunately collapsed during a supervised workout in the weight room and nearly died. In fact, at times his heart stopped and while in an almost month-long coma using a ventilator it was thought he might not live. But he had a miraculous recovery, and I remember seeing him attend a couple VU games afterwards.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on March 29, 2023, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: valpopal on March 28, 2023, 08:46:02 PM
The apparent loss of Zane Doughty reminded me of another big center recruit and Indiana Mister Basketball runner-up who unfortunately never got a chance to show what he could do for the Crusaders, Kenny Harris, known as "Baby Shaq." He was an athletic 6'10" and 350 pounds with a surprisingly good mid-range shot in high school, and he was ranked nationally at #76. However, injury prone and because of a foot injury in his high school senior year, he entered VU as a freshman at over 400 pounds and played off the bench on a team that had Greg Tonagel as the point guard and a number of unusual characters as teammates.


Then he played a sophomore season during which he seemed to be getting back toward peak form, and everyone was looking forward to his junior and senior seasons. Homer had him work with trainers and a nutritionist to slowly make his way down to 310 pounds. Predictions were that he was going to be a Valpo legend but, as many may remember, in April of 2005 Kenny unfortunately collapsed during a supervised workout in the weight room and nearly died. In fact, at times his heart stopped and while in an almost month-long coma using a ventilator it was thought he might not live. But he had a miraculous recovery, and I remember seeing him attend a couple VU games afterwards.

Kenny was great to interact with during workouts.  Bob Brooks had him doing running activities with us/the Baseball team many mornings.  It was sad to see what happened to him, as he did have a ton of potential.  Even Brad Daugherty commented on his soft touch during one of the televised games.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on March 29, 2023, 01:18:43 PM
Quote from: wh on March 28, 2023, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.

I loved him when he was one of us, but he turned his back and walked away. Can't say I blame him. Give me another day and I won't be able to remember his name.

Remember who's name?   ;)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on March 29, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 29, 2023, 12:03:38 PM.  Even Brad Daugherty commented on his soft touch during one of the televised games.
Yeah but what would a NASCAR guy know about NCAA basketball?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on April 05, 2023, 08:18:45 PM
Bronny James is down to USC and Ohio State. Wonder if this recruitment is slowing down the Valpo hiring process with Jake Diebler?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on April 05, 2023, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on April 05, 2023, 08:18:45 PM
Bronny James is down to USC and Ohio State. Wonder if this recruitment is slowing down the Valpo hiring process with Jake Diebler?

...I gotta think that salary is the biggest issue with Diebler. According to figures shared here, he's making a lot more than most MVC head coaches.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: NativeCheesehead on April 06, 2023, 08:14:18 AM
If Diebler is a point of contact with Bronny I can promise you they will not let him leave.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: IndyValpo on April 10, 2023, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.
I honestly thought that he played his way to a bigger offer but so far it is USI, EKU, Ball State, Nicholas State and St Bonnie
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on April 10, 2023, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 10, 2023, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.
I honestly thought that he played his way to a bigger offer but so far it is USI, EKU, Ball State, Nicholas State and St Bonnie

I wonder how often kids change their mind because of a promising coaching hire like Powell. I don't know who approaches whom first, but VU suddenly looks like a pretty good option. Plus, Valpo has an overall track record of developing bigs who work hard and stay.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on April 10, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: David81 on April 10, 2023, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 10, 2023, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.
I honestly thought that he played his way to a bigger offer but so far it is USI, EKU, Ball State, Nicholas State and St Bonnie

I wonder how often kids change their mind because of a promising coaching hire like Powell. I don't know who approaches whom first, but VU suddenly looks like a pretty good option. Plus, Valpo has an overall track record of developing bigs who work hard and stay.

The honest truth is that someone like Krikke doesn't know Coach Powell from Adam and it is only through starting the whole recruiting process, other than facilities, over again that introduces the Powell style and credentials to Krikke. Remember there is some resentment on Krikke's part due to the firing of a coach he liked.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on April 10, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
You may be correct, historyman.  However if he chose, Ben would have many sources from which to pick that are currently in the Valpo "family" from which to glean info on our current/or potential staff situation and specifically on Roger  I find it hard to explain and understand that he at least would give an ear to the School that paid for his undergraduate education(and a good one too) and prepared him for as 5th season of playing college basketball.  But I guess that is today's college athlete.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: chgovalpofan on April 10, 2023, 04:49:41 PM
Ben gave Valpo four great years to Valpo.  I have no issue with him wanting to try a different experience, especially when it is at a much higher level. It is Big Ten after all.   He is anything but the typical college athlete today.

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on April 10, 2023, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: historyman on April 10, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: David81 on April 10, 2023, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 10, 2023, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 28, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
First offer to Zane is Southern Indiana? Not power five and I assume limited NIL money.
I honestly thought that he played his way to a bigger offer but so far it is USI, EKU, Ball State, Nicholas State and St Bonnie

I wonder how often kids change their mind because of a promising coaching hire like Powell. I don't know who approaches whom first, but VU suddenly looks like a pretty good option. Plus, Valpo has an overall track record of developing bigs who work hard and stay.

The honest truth is that someone like Krikke doesn't know Coach Powell from Adam and it is only through starting the whole recruiting process, other than facilities, over again that introduces the Powell style and credentials to Krikke. Remember there is some resentment on Krikke's part due to the firing of a coach he liked.


I was referring to Zane Doughty, not Ben Krikke, though when it comes to Zane knowing Coach Powell, the same thing could be said, too. However, unlike Ben with Iowa, Zane does not appear to be attracting interest from major programs. Hence a possible opportunity? I wonder if some within Zane's braintrust are looking at Valpo differently now.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on April 16, 2023, 11:57:13 AM
https://twitter.com/valpo_hoops/status/1647644900840570880?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 16, 2023, 12:49:41 PM
Good school. I wish him well.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on April 16, 2023, 01:00:04 PM
I'm disappointed that Zane didn't change his mind and return to VU.  I wonder if Roger had the chance to talk to him.  Perhaps Roger's game plan wasn't appealing to Zane.  In any event, let's move on!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on April 16, 2023, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 16, 2023, 01:00:04 PM
I'm disappointed that Zane didn't change his mind and return to VU.  I wonder if Roger had the chance to talk to him.  Perhaps Roger's game plan wasn't appealing to Zane.  In any event, let's move on!

Based on the fast paced style of offense Roger described, I'm not sure he'd be a perfect fit. But there is always room for good players on the roster.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on April 16, 2023, 02:10:22 PM
"Back to the basket" isn't shooting in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock.  I understand that Joe is retiring because of medical issues and am also guessing that Emil moves on for playing style reasons as well. Lot's of spots to fill...
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on April 16, 2023, 02:59:34 PM
Quote from: vu72 on April 16, 2023, 02:10:22 PM"Back to the basket" isn't shooting in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock.  I understand that Joe is retiring because of medical issues and am also guessing that Emil moves on for playing style reasons as well. Lot's of spots to fill...
Gonzaga scored a lot of points with Timme in the lineup and playing back to basket but that's because he would get down the court and set up before the defense was set. Timme is unique in the first place and I have no idea how Doughty would fit in to that style of offense but it is a solid point that the skillset and stated offensive philosophy don't appear to be a match. I'm not sure Ben would be a fit as well.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 25, 2023, 01:47:27 AM
Ashton Williamson
• 3-star
• 1st team all-area
• 17pt/10asst DD in a 32-min. game!
• 45% from 3
• FROM THE REGION

Very impressive video highlights :

https://www.moore-exposure.com/ashton

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on April 25, 2023, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: wh on April 25, 2023, 01:47:27 AM
Ashton Williamson
• 3-star
• 1st team all-area
• 17pt/10asst DD in a 32-min. game!
• 45% from 3
• FROM THE REGION

Very impressive video highlights :

https://www.moore-exposure.com/ashton



Can't have enough guys who can score at a high level, but, we already have a Williamson signed in Jahari, who is rated at one of the 15 best shooters in Canada regardless of class!  Also, with only a 3.0 GPA in high school, can he cut it academically at Valpo?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on April 25, 2023, 08:42:32 AM
I wouldn't bet on the Canadian guys before a good shooting local guy who is known well.  That isn't saying that the guys from up north can't cut it.  After the poor outside shooting we have seen in the last few years, can we ever get enough good shooters?  Other than Krikke from the inside, we have not had a good outside shooter since AP.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on April 25, 2023, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 25, 2023, 08:42:32 AM
I wouldn't bet on the Canadian guys before a good shooting local guy who is known well.  That isn't saying that the guys from up north can't cut it.  After the poor outside shooting we have seen in the last few years, can we ever get enough good shooters?  Other than Krikke from the inside, we have not had a good outside shooter since AP.

Generally agree although Valpo's all time best three point shooter is Ryan Fazekas who played since AP.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on April 25, 2023, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: vu72 on April 25, 2023, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: wh on April 25, 2023, 01:47:27 AM
Ashton Williamson
• 3-star
• 1st team all-area
• 17pt/10asst DD in a 32-min. game!
• 45% from 3
• FROM THE REGION

Very impressive video highlights :

https://www.moore-exposure.com/ashton



Can't have enough guys who can score at a high level, but, we already have a Williamson signed in Jahari, who is rated at one of the 15 best shooters in Canada regardless of class!  Also, with only a 3.0 GPA in high school, can he cut it academically at Valpo?


They'll make the grades work if he's good enough.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on April 25, 2023, 10:34:11 AM
Do we know that Roger is after him?  Is the kid interested in VU?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on April 25, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 25, 2023, 10:34:11 AM
Do we know that Roger is after him?  Is the kid interested in VU?

He is visiting Valpo today.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on April 25, 2023, 10:42:52 AM
Bath had an offer from Valpo under Lottich:
[tweet]1650653313581604864[/tweet]
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on April 26, 2023, 08:22:44 PM
This is all the people I know we have recruited for 2023 or are currently on the roster, am I missing anyone?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 27, 2023, 03:21:52 AM
https://twitter.com/conrad_hoops/status/1633583016235909120?s=20

Is David Simon still active? I think he may be. I believe that he's the top ranked prep player in Canada, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 27, 2023, 04:04:52 AM
• More on David Simon. Strangely enough, he was extended an offer on March 23rd (per VC), the exact date of Matt's termination announcement. Another source shows March 5th.
• Valpo was his first offer. Since then he has picked up 5 or 6 low major offers and UMass.
• He's 6-10, 190 lbs. with a 7'4" wingspan.
• Highlights from a game in November:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KFpio_MsfrU&feature=share
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on April 27, 2023, 09:02:41 AM
I did see that, but I didn't include him. I am not sure how that will work because he was almost certainly offered under Lottich.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on April 27, 2023, 09:56:30 AM
David Simon was a teammate of VU recruit Jahari Williamson. That may be a big connection also.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on April 27, 2023, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: wh on April 27, 2023, 03:21:52 AMhttps://twitter.com/conrad_hoops/status/1633583016235909120?s=20 Is David Simon still active? I think he may be. I believe that he's the top ranked prep player in Canada, as far as I can tell.
Canadian Prep POY which makes his unsigned and nearly non-offered status kind of weird. At the very least he looks like a solid rim protector although he looks a little raw on offense. For Valpo's purposes he could certainly fill a Vashil role even if that is not right away.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUGrad1314 on April 28, 2023, 01:28:30 AM
Having another Vashil type player would be exciting. Lest we forget that Vashil was a foundational piece of some of the best teams in school history and certainly THE foundation of a fearsome and imposing defense that teams were afraid to penetrate against. I still remember the St Mary's game when one of their guards decided to try to drive the lane and literally turtled in fear as Vashil moved into his way. As I recall he slipped and turned the ball over that possession.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on April 28, 2023, 10:59:55 AM
David Simon has committed to San Diego.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on April 28, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
How ironic would it be if Ola (Don Bosco Prep prospect) is the first commit of the Valpo era.

The Lottich era began with all of Don Bosco Prep (David Maravilla) drama about try to force Lottich's hand on an assistant coach hire to the staff, which caused the David Skara transfer.

One of Powell's first recruiting visits was to Don Bosco Prep.

https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1651941456809009154?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on April 28, 2023, 04:11:15 PM
I think Ola is going to Incarnate World or UTSA. I could be wrong. We will see.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on April 28, 2023, 05:02:48 PM
Ola Ojiboye to VU. First recruit for Powell
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on April 28, 2023, 05:18:23 PM
If nothing else, promising to see we beat out 13 other interested schools for a recruit. Some decent programs such as Liberty, Milwaukee, UC-Davis, Southern Indiana, and Chattanooga were all interested. Hoping that this knocks over a few dominos as far as other recruits. While his offensive numbers were not that impressive, he did average almost a block and a steal per game in only 19 minutes, so could be a defensive addition? Something else that stands out is that he will only be a sophomore this upcoming year. Started 19 games as a freshman and still has 3 years to help build that continuity in the roster we want back at Valpo.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on April 28, 2023, 05:28:07 PM
Probably brings some much needed grit. Upgrade from Joe Hedstrom and Emil.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on April 28, 2023, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: RS on April 28, 2023, 05:02:48 PM
Ola Ojiboye to VU. First recruit for Powell

Great news!  Sounds like an Ibra Bayu clone.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 28, 2023, 06:17:00 PM
When was the last time Valpo had an intimidating interior presence at both ends? The possibilities are endless for a revival of greatness.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on April 28, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
Ola looks to be a good rebounder and shot blocker after looking at his stats at CMU via Kempom.
62.8% FT
46.3% 2-pt FG%
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on April 28, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
I dreamed that our first recruit could be a home run instead of a bunt single but at least we now have a baserunner.   ;)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on April 28, 2023, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: justducky on April 28, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
I dreamed that our first recruit could be a home run instead of a bunt single but at least we now have a baserunner.   ;)

An Ashton Williamson signing would be a two run homer to drive him in now.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on April 28, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: justducky on April 28, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
I dreamed that our first recruit could be a home run instead of a bunt single but at least we now have a baserunner.   ;)

This might be my favorite post I've ever seen on this site.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 28, 2023, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: justducky on April 28, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
I dreamed that our first recruit could be a home run instead of a bunt single but at least we now have a baserunner.   ;)

I respect your knowledge of the game, so please take this as a legitimate question, and not a criticism.

Im not following your logic. Ola is the No.1 ranked player in his class in Canada. He is ranked higher than any Canadian recruit we've ever had, including Ben and Tevonn. If he's a bunt single, wouldn't that have made Ben and Tevonn - reached base on an error? HBP? Dropped 3rd strike?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on April 28, 2023, 09:25:48 PM
wh .... Ola is not from Canada. That was David Simon who signed with San Diego. OLA IS A Chicago kid who played one year at Central Michigan
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on April 28, 2023, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: RS on April 28, 2023, 09:25:48 PM
wh .... Ola is not from Canada. That was David Simon who signed with San Diego. OLA IS A Chicago kid who played one year at Central Michigan

Well, that's embarrassing lol
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on April 29, 2023, 12:02:35 AM
Re: Ola Ojiboye. A promising genuine PF with 3 years remaining is a good start, and the fact that he took VU's late-in-the-process offer over many other suitors says something about Coach Powell's recruiting pitch.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: humbleopinion on April 29, 2023, 05:31:01 AM
Quote from: David81 on April 29, 2023, 12:02:35 AM
Re: Ola Ojiboye. A promising genuine PF with 3 years remaining is a good start, and the fact that he took VU's late-in-the-process offer over many other suitors says something about Coach Powell's recruiting pitch.

I see that other schools showed interest, but was Valpo the only school that actually offered?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on April 29, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
I think it's fair to assume that the entire basketball coaching staff is out recruiting their a$$es off.  Good!

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on April 29, 2023, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 29, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
I think it's fair to assume that the entire basketball coaching staff is out recruiting their a$$es off.  Good!

I expect them to come back from recruiting without a bit of milk smell at all. They should all be dairy-air-less.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on April 30, 2023, 02:59:21 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think landing Ashton Williamson would be monumental for Valpo. From Paul's article this morning about Ajiboye, it sounds like Ola was really impressed by Powell on the visit, and I hope he was just as convincing when Ashton visited.

For starters, reestablishing the region as a recruiting target would have compounding benefits. We have missed out on too much talent close to home lately. Not only are we missing out on some really good players, but also the attendance boost that would come with them. If we want to establish ourselves as the regions team and have locals come out to the games, we have to have some region players (and win games). More good local players --> more region people coming out to the games --> more money to invest back into the program.

He's also just really good. Was ranked as an ESPN top 100 recruit at one point. Still ranked as a 3 star recruit, and even 4 stars by some sites. He plays hard on defense, distributes the ball, and can score. Perfect for a faced paced and defensively intense gameplan like Powell's. The fact we got him to come on a visit really boosts my hopes of him committing.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: humbleopinion on April 30, 2023, 07:04:46 PM
 6'9 Bosco Forward Lucas Scroggins  (http://bosco%20forward%20lucas%20scroggins)received an offer https://twitter.com/DonBoscoHoops/status/1652800241127632899
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on April 30, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: vok22 on April 30, 2023, 02:59:21 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think landing Ashton Williamson would be monumental for Valpo. From Paul's article this morning about Ajiboye, it sounds like Ola was really impressed by Powell on the visit, and I hope he was just as convincing when Ashton visited.

For starters, reestablishing the region as a recruiting target would have compounding benefits. We have missed out on too much talent close to home lately. Not only are we missing out on some really good players, but also the attendance boost that would come with them. If we want to establish ourselves as the regions team and have locals come out to the games, we have to have some region players (and win games). More good local players --> more region people coming out to the games --> more money to invest back into the program.

He's also just really good. Was ranked as an ESPN top 100 recruit at one point. Still ranked as a 3 star recruit, and even 4 stars by some sites. He plays hard on defense, distributes the ball, and can score. Perfect for a faced paced and defensively intense gameplan like Powell's. The fact we got him to come on a visit really boosts my hopes of him committing.


Wouldn't be shocked if Ashton ends up going prep this year. Valpo could be possibility in the future.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on April 30, 2023, 08:05:56 PM
Where did Scroggins go to school prior to Bosco?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on April 30, 2023, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 30, 2023, 08:05:56 PM
Where did Scroggins go to school prior to Bosco?
Hylton High in Woodbridge, Virginia: averaged 15 pts. and 8 rebs. as a senior in 21-22.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 02, 2023, 02:27:49 PM
I've been surprised at the lack of information on transfer recruiting. At first I just assumed they aren't leaking any info. Now, the past week we have offered or had visits from 3 or 4 high school seniors/juniors and that word has gotten out. I'm sure we are reaching out to some transfers but I haven't heard anything.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on May 02, 2023, 07:41:45 PM
Valpo has been extremely involved in the recruitment and scouting of Don Bosco Prep in recent weeks.

Wouldn't shock me if we landed another recruit from there in the near future.

https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1653504454392533011?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on May 02, 2023, 08:12:16 PM
Lucas Scroggins offered today by Central Michigan.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on May 02, 2023, 08:17:40 PM
Don't we usually kick CMU butt?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on May 03, 2023, 09:08:42 AM
Powell gets commits from these 5 players:


(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5a7075fc99adcbda3f890099aa64468658d7befb/c=0-0-848-479/local/-/media/2017/10/30/INGroup/Indianapolis/636449900445521391-valpo.jpg?width=848&height=424&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 03, 2023, 09:18:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RogerPowellJr/status/1653584331091107841?s=20

Roger wants us not to worry.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 04, 2023, 08:11:11 AM
Based on Paul Oren and new Valpo Staff member Quintin Garrisons Twitter feeds, I feel like we might be getting some good news soon. Could be unrelated, but seems like it could be something. 
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on May 04, 2023, 09:17:41 AM
Yeah feel like we might have two new recruits coming down the pipeline soon.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AB on May 04, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
Later start in the recruiting season, but I get it, get the staff in place first. Will have better luck with the 2024 incoming freshman etc. Doubtful we land lesser talent than the last few years with the transfer portal, even though they are scrambling to make up the ground to fill the roster this year. Correct me if I am wrong, but maybe only half the college players that enter the portal go somewhere else. Anyone have a stat on that?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on May 04, 2023, 01:15:06 PM
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/4/25/transfer-portal-data-division-i-student-athlete-transfer-trends.aspx
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 04, 2023, 04:29:19 PM
Jeremiah Williams, who was at one time slotted to be the starting point guard at Iowa State and once had an offer from Valpo when he was at Simeon HS in Chicago, has entered the transfer portal after missing a year with an achilles tendon injury. He averaged 9.5 points and 4.3 assists at Temple in 21-22 before transferring to Iowa St. but never played for ISU.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 04, 2023, 07:55:50 PM
[tweet]1654285081479991296[/tweet]
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on May 04, 2023, 08:12:51 PM
6'10".  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 04, 2023, 08:16:05 PM
I was waiting for this announcement. This is a good pickup!
[tweet]1654291364790583298[/tweet]
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 04, 2023, 08:22:04 PM
I like it. Guard that can shoot the ball. Has experience
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 04, 2023, 08:35:17 PM
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 04, 2023, 08:48:27 PM
Maybe the Rev is on a roll!  I hope so.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 04, 2023, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 04, 2023, 07:55:50 PM
[tweet]1654285081479991296[/tweet]

Plays for Link Academy in Branson, MO, a national prep school powerhouse. He would have played with and against elite talent. I'm excited about any big man Roger is excited about.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 04, 2023, 11:23:50 PM
Quote from: wh on May 04, 2023, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 04, 2023, 07:55:50 PM[tweet]1654285081479991296[/tweet]
Plays for Link Academy in Branson, MO, a national prep school powerhouse. He would have played with and against elite talent. I'm excited about any big man Roger is excited about.
He didn't play for the Academy. He was on the Prep roster. That's still good but not the elite program.


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: FWalum on May 04, 2023, 11:58:09 PM
FRESHMAN YEAR: University of Southern Indiana scored a season-high 31 points versus Lindenwood University, the 31 points was a Screaming Eagles Arena record. https://usiscreamingeagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/isaiah-stafford/7040 (https://usiscreamingeagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/isaiah-stafford/7040)
HIGH SCHOOL: Lettered in basketball at Crispus Attucks High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) and Bolingbrook High School (Bolingbrook, Illinois)...was the Indianapolis City Player of the Year after posting 18.4 points, 4.5 assists, and 4.2 rebounds per contest in 2020-21 at Crispus Attucks...shot 51 percent from the field and 81 percent from the free-throw line in 2020-21...played his first three high school seasons at Bolingbrook, prior to COVID-19...was named Academic All-State twice during his prep career at BHS.


If I had to guess why he transferred from USI, it was because of very strange and inconsistent playing time. He only shot the 3 at a 32% clip at USI. His almost 46% 3 point percentage at John A. Logan is crazy. Shot 32-54 from 3 during conference play, that is 51.5%!! Seems really strange that he would improve that much. Hope he can shoot it closer to that 46% at VU.





Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: covufan on May 05, 2023, 12:07:46 AM
Quote from: Pgmado on April 28, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: justducky on April 28, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
I dreamed that our first recruit could be a home run instead of a bunt single but at least we now have a baserunner.   ;)

This might be my favorite post I've ever seen on this site.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/5d37KGwmRVRGInULdY/giphy.gif)


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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on May 05, 2023, 08:09:32 AM
Paul just released a Victory Bell story on Stafford. Ya gotta read his Brandon Goble assessment in the article. You will ease into Cinco de Mayo a very pleased person.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valporun on May 05, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: JD24 on March 29, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 29, 2023, 12:03:38 PM.  Even Brad Daugherty commented on his soft touch during one of the televised games.
Yeah but what would a NASCAR guy know about NCAA basketball?


Check out some 1990s Cleveland Cavaliers rosters, and you'll see what we're talking about...
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 06, 2023, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: valporun on May 05, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: JD24 on March 29, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 29, 2023, 12:03:38 PM.  Even Brad Daugherty commented on his soft touch during one of the televised games.
Yeah but what would a NASCAR guy know about NCAA basketball?
Check out some 1990s Cleveland Cavaliers rosters, and you'll see what we're talking about...
Good gracious. Facetiousness not part of your game?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valporun on May 06, 2023, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: JD24 on May 06, 2023, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: valporun on May 05, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: JD24 on March 29, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 29, 2023, 12:03:38 PM.  Even Brad Daugherty commented on his soft touch during one of the televised games.
Yeah but what would a NASCAR guy know about NCAA basketball?
Check out some 1990s Cleveland Cavaliers rosters, and you'll see what we're talking about...
Good gracious. Facetiousness not part of your game?


I haven't posted in awhile, so I'm a tad off my game here.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 06, 2023, 05:12:38 AM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E5LCC3iBq-k&feature=share
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 06, 2023, 05:24:28 AM
Highlights from international tournament in Lissone, Italy. 2 weeks ago.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=V_lcE68HFhU&feature=share
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 06, 2023, 08:08:03 AM
Love that Jahari Williamson kid...now  i am really getting excited for the coming season, especially if these new recruits perform as advertised.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: FWalum on May 06, 2023, 08:29:39 AM
Been viewing these videos and other game type video (anyone can put together a highlight video and look good) and like what I am seeing. He appears to be the best shooter of the Canadian guards we have gotten.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 06, 2023, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: FWalum on May 06, 2023, 08:29:39 AM
Been viewing these videos and other game type video (anyone can put together a highlight video and look good) and like what I am seeing. He appears to be the best shooter of the Canadian guards we have gotten.

An article I posted some time ago had the writer calling him one of the top 15 shooters in Canada regardless of class affiliation.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 06, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: FWalum on May 06, 2023, 08:29:39 AM
Been viewing these videos and other game type video (anyone can put together a highlight video and look good) and like what I am seeing. He appears to be the best shooter of the Canadian guards we have gotten.

To your point, of course everyone looks good in highlight videos. That said, you can still notice differences in skill sets among players. IMO Stafford and Williamson have infinitely more tools in the box than any point guard we've had since Javon. Our PG play in the MVC has been nothing short of horrific. That is about to change in a big way, again IMO.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUGrad1314 on May 06, 2023, 11:38:19 AM
Can't win in this league without solid PG play. I firmly believe that. Having solid two way bigs helps as well. I like the way this roster is taking shape so far. I think Powell is going to do some special things going forward.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 06, 2023, 12:51:21 PM
Quote from: wh on May 06, 2023, 10:02:47 AMOur PG play in the MVC has been nothing short of horrific

What?  Last season Edwards shot an amazing 25.8% from the 3 while his backups, Preston, shooting 17.6%, and Darius shooting 18.8%, really kept those defenders from sagging into the middle!  Wait...never mind. :-X
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 06, 2023, 01:52:06 PM
I didn't realize we shot 3's that well .  :)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 06, 2023, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 06, 2023, 12:51:21 PM
Quote from: wh on May 06, 2023, 10:02:47 AMOur PG play in the MVC has been nothing short of horrific
What?  Last season Edwards shot an amazing 25.8% from the 3 while his backups, Preston, shooting 17.6%, and Darius shooting 18.8%, really kept those defenders from sagging into the middle!  Wait...never mind. :-X
It wasn't only the inability to shoot accurately, it was the reluctance to shoot or seemingly otherwise participate in the offense.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on May 06, 2023, 06:16:46 PM
Quick reaction, nothing more:  We need to get past this. Everything being alluded to in the last few posts was a direct product of a failed coaching approach, system and some players all of which have been completely replaced. That was then. This is now. Like Roger, we gotta focus forward, not in the past. Go Beacons. See the Light. Woof, woof!  ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 06, 2023, 11:54:13 PM
I understand Valpo has offered Kaspar Sepp:


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 07, 2023, 06:19:22 AM
Who is Kaspar Sepp?  From where?  Size?  Position?  Transfer?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: humbleopinion on May 07, 2023, 06:23:36 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 07, 2023, 06:19:22 AM
Who is Kaspar Sepp?  From where?  Size?  Position?  Transfer?

https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/florida/orlando/fairmont-sports-academy/kaspar-sepp
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUBBFan on May 07, 2023, 09:27:23 AM
The kid (Kaspar) looks good on tape and has decent size 6'7". Seems to be flying under the radar as he has no profile or mention on Verbal Commits.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 07, 2023, 09:58:05 AM
Sepp's coach, Rod Wilmont, was a teammate of AJ Moye at Indiana.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 07, 2023, 02:57:36 PM
Somewhere along the way, I've lost track of player count. Does anyone know? Returning? 2023 freshman commits? JC and portal commits? Players offered but yet to commit? Thx!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 07, 2023, 03:20:23 PM
Quote from: wh on May 07, 2023, 02:57:36 PM
Somewhere along the way, I've lost track of player count. Does anyone know? Returning? 2023 freshman commits? JC and portal commits? Players offered but yet to commit? Thx!

Four returning scholarship players, two signed and committed incoming freshman and two new committed transfers, leaving five scholarships to fill.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 07, 2023, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 07, 2023, 09:27:23 AMThe kid (Kaspar) looks good on tape and has decent size 6'7". Seems to be flying under the radar as he has no profile or mention on Verbal Commits.
Also doesn't seem to have gotten a whole lot of playing time.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on May 07, 2023, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 07, 2023, 03:20:23 PM
Quote from: wh on May 07, 2023, 02:57:36 PM
Somewhere along the way, I've lost track of player count. Does anyone know? Returning? 2023 freshman commits? JC and portal commits? Players offered but yet to commit? Thx!

Four returning scholarship players, two signed and committed incoming freshman and two new committed transfers, leaving five scholarships to fill.


I would love for VU to hit a surprise jackpot with a few of these players for 2023-24, but hopefully they'll have a lot of available scholarship positions to fill for 2024-25 -- as in 4-5 spots -- when this coaching staff will have a fuller recruiting cycle and a real chance to show its stuff.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 07, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 06, 2023, 06:16:46 PM
Quick reaction, nothing more:  We need to get past this. Everything being alluded to in the last few posts was a direct product of a failed coaching approach, system and some players all of which have been completely replaced. That was then. This is now. Like Roger, we gotta focus forward, not in the past. Go Beacons. See the Light. Woof, woof!  ;D

Here's one more knock on the past regime that I'm not willing to let go unnoticed. Valpo's most current Academic Progress Rate (APR) is the 3rd worst in the MVC:

2021-2022
1000 Belmont
1000 Drake
990 Bradley
986 N. Iowa
984 SIU
976 MO State
972 IL State
969 Murray State
958 IN State
952 Valpo (just as bad the year before)
949 UIC
918 Evansville

Obviously, players have not been held to account in the classroom. I can just imagine Luke Gore's response, "Academics is hard."

By the way, Valpo was tops in the MVC in total sports APR (despite the crap men's bb number). Not a Valpo problem, just another Lottich/Gore failure.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 07, 2023, 05:43:28 PM
Please, can we forget the Lottich/Gore thiing and move on...it's over, it's done just like the Drew era.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 07, 2023, 06:19:10 PM
I think it's important to understand the full extent of the mess that Lottich and Gore left, not just on the court, but in the classroom. Let me share another, while I'm at it. Re-establishing the electric game time atmosphere at the ARC that Roger was accustomed as an assistant under Bryce is going to take more than winning. It's going to take a reenergized, fully engaged athletic department. Hopefully, the recent personnel changes made by the AD weeded out the slugs and the Peter Principle poster children.

I'm getting closer to moving on, but there may still be other sleepy-eyed stage hands that need a wake-up call.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 07, 2023, 09:44:44 PM
OK wh, I understand.  I'm with you.  I think we all can relax a bit because I believe the new Coaching staff, optomistic outlook and an attitude change supported by the University will bring a whole new  MBB game experience.  I think that will also include what happens on the floor, regardless of our won/loss record.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on May 07, 2023, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: wh on May 07, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 06, 2023, 06:16:46 PM
Quick reaction, nothing more:  We need to get past this. Everything being alluded to in the last few posts was a direct product of a failed coaching approach, system and some players all of which have been completely replaced. That was then. This is now. Like Roger, we gotta focus forward, not in the past. Go Beacons. See the Light. Woof, woof!  ;D

Here's one more knock on the past regime that I'm not willing to let go unnoticed. Valpo's most current Academic Progress Rate (APR) is the 3rd worst in the MVC:

2021-2022
1000 Belmont
1000 Drake
990 Bradley
986 N. Iowa
984 SIU
976 MO State
972 IL State
969 Murray State
958 IN State
952 Valpo (just as bad the year before)
949 UIC
918 Evansville

Obviously, players have not been held to account in the classroom. I can just imagine Luke Gore's response, "Academics is hard."

By the way, Valpo was tops in the MVC in total sports APR (despite the crap men's bb number). Not a Valpo problem, just another Lottich/Gore failure.


Yes, this is worth noting, especially the contrast to VU's overall academic performance. I know that with the football team, even with the not-so-great W-L records, the team's academic performance has often been a positive one. Obviously I'd rather VU be on top on both measures, but given the long-term goals for these young folks, I'm happiest when the academics are strong.

There's a lot to improve on here, and I think VU now has the pieces in place to reverse direction.

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 07, 2023, 10:00:10 PM
Valpo has offered junior college guard Nasir Mann:


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 07, 2023, 10:36:58 PM
Gainesville Native and Standout Santa Fe Guard, Nasir Mann, Is Next Up

https://www.wruf.com/headlines/2022/12/08/gainesville-native-and-standout-santa-fe-guard-nasir-mann-is-next-up/

Another big, athletic guard that can shoot the 3. Perfect for the Gonzaga 10-second offense. If Roger lands everybody with offers, this could be a dangerous team from day-1. I'm loving JC, BTW. An abundance of talented players.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 07, 2023, 10:39:34 PM
Nasir Mann is Tre Mann's brother. Former Florida Gator and I think he's with the NBA Thunder.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUGrad1314 on May 07, 2023, 11:10:17 PM
I'm sorry but the APR thing is a huge indictment of Lottich. Not only were they not getting it done on the court they weren't getting it done in the classroom either and that is absolutely not acceptable at a school like Valpo. Hopefully Powell gets Valpo back up to the standards we are used to seeing both on the court and off.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 07, 2023, 11:39:01 PM
Quote from: David81 on May 07, 2023, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: wh on May 07, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 06, 2023, 06:16:46 PM
Quick reaction, nothing more:  We need to get past this. Everything being alluded to in the last few posts was a direct product of a failed coaching approach, system and some players all of which have been completely replaced. That was then. This is now. Like Roger, we gotta focus forward, not in the past. Go Beacons. See the Light. Woof, woof!  ;D

Here's one more knock on the past regime that I'm not willing to let go unnoticed. Valpo's most current Academic Progress Rate (APR) is the 3rd worst in the MVC:

2021-2022
1000 Belmont
1000 Drake
990 Bradley
986 N. Iowa
984 SIU
976 MO State
972 IL State
969 Murray State
958 IN State
952 Valpo (just as bad the year before)
949 UIC
918 Evansville

Obviously, players have not been held to account in the classroom. I can just imagine Luke Gore's response, "Academics is hard."

By the way, Valpo was tops in the MVC in total sports APR (despite the crap men's bb number). Not a Valpo problem, just another Lottich/Gore failure.


Yes, this is worth noting, especially the contrast to VU's overall academic performance. I know that with the football team, even with the not-so-great W-L records, the team's academic performance has often been a positive one. Obviously I'd rather VU be on top on both measures, but given the long-term goals for these young folks, I'm happiest when the academics are strong.

There's a lot to improve on here, and I think VU now has the pieces in place to reverse direction.

I absolutely agree. I should have taken the time to commend all the other athletic programs for outstanding academic achievement. Tops in the MVC!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on May 08, 2023, 12:08:33 AM
Just a gut feeling, but I like our chance to land a commitment from Kasper. A very under the radar player.

https://twitter.com/kasparsepp21/status/1652265086453440512?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on May 08, 2023, 08:07:23 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 07, 2023, 11:10:17 PM
I'm sorry but the APR thing is a huge indictment of Lottich. Not only were they not getting it done on the court they weren't getting it done in the classroom either and that is absolutely not acceptable at a school like Valpo. Hopefully Powell gets Valpo back up to the standards we are used to seeing both on the court and off.

I agree that it doesn't reflect well on Lottich, but it can't be easy to maintain a strong APR when your roster turns over as much as Valpo's did over the last few years. A big part of APR is progress towards a degree, and if not all credits transfer from previous institutions, then the APR will take a negative hit.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 08, 2023, 08:42:00 AM
Isaiah Stafford #24 G John A. Logan

GP 35
PTS/G 12.5
FG % 50.6
3PT % 45.7
FT % 73.5
REB/G 4.0

• 45.7% is better than anyone in the MVC this year.
• Valpo's best 3-pt shooters:
Barrett 26th
Nelson 35th



Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 08:42:00 AM
Isaiah Stafford #24 G John A. Logan

GP 35
PTS/G 12.5
FG % 50.6
3PT % 45.7
FT % 73.5
REB/G 4.0

• 45.7% is better than anyone in the MVC this year.
• Valpo's best 3-pt shooters:
Barrett 26th
Nelson 35th

Probably drops at least 10% at the D1 level, but 35% is better than 25%
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 08, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 08:42:00 AM
Isaiah Stafford #24 G John A. Logan

GP 35
PTS/G 12.5
FG % 50.6
3PT % 45.7
FT % 73.5
REB/G 4.0

• 45.7% is better than anyone in the MVC this year.
• Valpo's best 3-pt shooters:
Barrett 26th
Nelson 35th

Probably drops at least 10% at the D1 level, but 35% is better than 25%

I'm trying to understand your point. I completely get the falloff from high school to college. The 3-point arc is a foot farther out, opposing players are faster, stronger and more physical, there are fewer uncontested 3's, players need to work off of picks and screens to get open, quicker release times are paramount, etc. Other than possibly more defensive intensity at D-1 than JC (if that's even true), I can't think of any other significant differences. The premier JC programs are well coached in every aspect of the game. Unlike generally less athletic D-2/D-3/NAIA players, generally JC players have D-1-level athleticism, speed, and physicality.

I'm not trying to understate the difference, but it shouldn't be overstated either. What am I missing?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 08, 2023, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 08:42:00 AMIsaiah Stafford #24 G John A. Logan GP 35 PTS/G 12.5 FG % 50.6 3PT % 45.7 FT % 73.5 REB/G 4.0 • 45.7% is better than anyone in the MVC this year. • Valpo's best 3-pt shooters: Barrett 26th Nelson 35th
Probably drops at least 10% at the D1 level, but 35% is better than 25%
I'm trying to understand your point. I completely get the falloff from high school to college. The 3-point arc is a foot farther out, opposing players are faster, stronger and more physical, there are fewer uncontested 3's, players need to work off of picks and screens to get open, quicker release times are paramount, etc. Other than possibly more defensive intensity at D-1 than JC (if that's even true), I can't think of any other significant differences. The premier JC programs are well coached in every aspect of the game. Unlike generally less athletic D-2/D-3/NAIA players, generally JC players have D-1-level athleticism, speed, and physicality. I'm not trying to understate the difference, but it shouldn't be overstated either. What am I missing?
I think 10% is probably too high of a difference but there is a difference. There were 40 Div I players who had a 3pt shooting pct of 40% or higher. Three times that many at NJCAA but the cluster was closer to 40%. Those at or around the 40th player at the NJCAA level were at about 43%. So I'd expect that it's possible that Stafford could still be in the area of 40% for Valpo and, of course, that all depends on his usage. Scary thing is he wasn't the best shooter on the team.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on May 08, 2023, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 08, 2023, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 08:42:00 AMIsaiah Stafford #24 G John A. Logan GP 35 PTS/G 12.5 FG % 50.6 3PT % 45.7 FT % 73.5 REB/G 4.0 • 45.7% is better than anyone in the MVC this year. • Valpo's best 3-pt shooters: Barrett 26th Nelson 35th
Probably drops at least 10% at the D1 level, but 35% is better than 25%
I'm trying to understand your point. I completely get the falloff from high school to college. The 3-point arc is a foot farther out, opposing players are faster, stronger and more physical, there are fewer uncontested 3's, players need to work off of picks and screens to get open, quicker release times are paramount, etc. Other than possibly more defensive intensity at D-1 than JC (if that's even true), I can't think of any other significant differences. The premier JC programs are well coached in every aspect of the game. Unlike generally less athletic D-2/D-3/NAIA players, generally JC players have D-1-level athleticism, speed, and physicality. I'm not trying to understate the difference, but it shouldn't be overstated either. What am I missing?
I think 10% is probably too high of a difference but there is a difference. There were 40 Div I players who had a 3pt shooting pct of 40% or higher. Three times that many at NJCAA but the cluster was closer to 40%. Those at or around the 40th player at the NJCAA level were at about 43%. So I'd expect that it's possible that Stafford could still be in the area of 40% for Valpo and, of course, that all depends on his usage. Scary thing is he wasn't the best shooter on the team.


JD24, great point. Thank you for looking up the stats.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on May 08, 2023, 08:13:22 PM
We need to land Sepp, in order to round out the Baltics in our historical roster :)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on May 09, 2023, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: valpotx on May 08, 2023, 08:13:22 PM
We need to land Sepp, in order to round out the Baltics in our historical roster :)


Just to satisfy valpotx's desires for a Baltic complete historical roster it is likely one of these guys is in the transfer portal

Players from Estonia Currently In The NCAA
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Player   Pos   HT   WT   Birth Date   Team   GP   MPG   PPG   RPG   APG   SPB   BPG
Markus Ilver   F   6-8   219   Jan 30, 2002   Wisconsin   18   6.56   1.61   0.94   0.17   0.06   0.00
Carlos Jurgens   PG   6-4   200   Oct 27, 1998   Oral Roberts   35   25.43   8.97   4.06   2.29   0.80   0.34
Johannes Kirsipuu   G   6-2   186   Feb 4, 2002   Central Arkansas   29   14.76   5.07   1.31   1.62   0.55   0.10
Kerr Kriisa   PG   6-3   180   Jan 2, 2001   Arizona   35   31.06   9.91   2.37   5.14   0.57   0.03
Andree Loigu   G   6-0   -   Jul 25, 2001   Northwest College (WY)   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
Marten Maide   SG   6-5   200   Aug 9, 2000   Fresno Pacific   25   20.44   6.16   2.60   0.72   0.44   0.12
George Piil   F   6-6   190   -   Our Lady of the Lake   6   7.33   2.17   1.83   0.33   0.00   0.00
Hannes Saar   SG   6-6   200   Oct 10, 2001   Barton CC   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
Henri Veesaar   FC   6-10   200   Mar 28, 2004   Arizona   28   7.29   2.50   1.54   0.54   0.14   0.43




Although I'm not sure Valpo should take another player from UW-Madison.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 09, 2023, 06:24:34 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 08, 2023, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 08, 2023, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: wh on May 08, 2023, 08:42:00 AMIsaiah Stafford #24 G John A. Logan GP 35 PTS/G 12.5 FG % 50.6 3PT % 45.7 FT % 73.5 REB/G 4.0 • 45.7% is better than anyone in the MVC this year. • Valpo's best 3-pt shooters: Barrett 26th Nelson 35th
Probably drops at least 10% at the D1 level, but 35% is better than 25%
I'm trying to understand your point. I completely get the falloff from high school to college. The 3-point arc is a foot farther out, opposing players are faster, stronger and more physical, there are fewer uncontested 3's, players need to work off of picks and screens to get open, quicker release times are paramount, etc. Other than possibly more defensive intensity at D-1 than JC (if that's even true), I can't think of any other significant differences. The premier JC programs are well coached in every aspect of the game. Unlike generally less athletic D-2/D-3/NAIA players, generally JC players have D-1-level athleticism, speed, and physicality. I'm not trying to understate the difference, but it shouldn't be overstated either. What am I missing?
I think 10% is probably too high of a difference but there is a difference. There were 40 Div I players who had a 3pt shooting pct of 40% or higher. Three times that many at NJCAA but the cluster was closer to 40%. Those at or around the 40th player at the NJCAA level were at about 43%. So I'd expect that it's possible that Stafford could still be in the area of 40% for Valpo and, of course, that all depends on his usage. Scary thing is he wasn't the best shooter on the team.


JD24, great point. Thank you for looking up the stats.

So, 5 of 156 MVC scholarship players, only 3%, shot 40% or greater this past season. Truly rarified air. BTW, 3 of the 5 were from Belmont, and all 3 were double-digit scorers. That's impressive.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: FWalum on May 09, 2023, 07:14:28 AM
Guessing you did not see my post 2 pages earlier about Stafford and his shooting %.
Quote from: FWalum on May 04, 2023, 11:58:09 PM
FRESHMAN YEAR: University of Southern Indiana scored a season-high 31 points versus Lindenwood University, the 31 points was a Screaming Eagles Arena record. https://usiscreamingeagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/isaiah-stafford/7040 (https://usiscreamingeagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/isaiah-stafford/7040)
HIGH SCHOOL: Lettered in basketball at Crispus Attucks High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) and Bolingbrook High School (Bolingbrook, Illinois)...was the Indianapolis City Player of the Year after posting 18.4 points, 4.5 assists, and 4.2 rebounds per contest in 2020-21 at Crispus Attucks...shot 51 percent from the field and 81 percent from the free-throw line in 2020-21...played his first three high school seasons at Bolingbrook, prior to COVID-19...was named Academic All-State twice during his prep career at BHS.


If I had to guess why he transferred from USI, it was because of very strange and inconsistent playing time. He only shot the 3 at a 32% clip at USI. His almost 46% 3 point percentage at John A. Logan is crazy. Shot 32-54 from 3 during conference play, that is 51.5%!! Seems really strange that he would improve that much. Hope he can shoot it closer to that 46% at VU.



If he can shoot in the upper 30's that would be my expectation. I hope he proves me wrong and continues to shoot in the 40's.



Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 09, 2023, 12:20:52 PM
I think there's a better argument for the individual player bouncing back/returning to norm over a really poor/really good year shooting the ball than there is a defined dropoff or improvement going from one level to the next.

Stafford's USI year could have just been a really crappy year shooting the ball or it could be that he was just feeling it all year long for John Logan.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on May 09, 2023, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 09, 2023, 12:20:52 PMStafford's USI year could have just been a really crappy year shooting the ball or it could be that he was just feeling it all year long for John Logan.

I will be disappointed if he shoots 30%, content if he shoots 35, happy if he shoots 40 and ecstatic if he shoots 45. I think that covers most of the bases.  ;)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on May 09, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 09, 2023, 12:20:52 PMit could be that he was just feeling it all year long for John Logan.

They are known as the Vowels so it truly is John A. Logan College.  :-)









John Alexander Logan



John A. Logan College district citizens approved the creation of the Junior College district in September, 1967. The College is named in honor of John Alexander Logan, a prominent southern Illinoisan whose political career led from county clerk to U.S. Congressman.[/i][/font]
Civil War general who commanded troops at Vicksburg & the namesake of Logan Square in Chicago.
[/color]Logan Square is named for [/size]General John A. Logan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Logan)[/size], an American soldier and political leader.
Logan Square, Chicago - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Square,_Chicago#Name_and_Centennial_Monument)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: IndyValpo on May 17, 2023, 02:38:16 PM
We sit at 9 scholarships after today. I would think one more then perhaps look at grad transfers to preserve next year's class.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 17, 2023, 05:14:03 PM
If the previous two "boom" postings from Garrison were McNair and Manyang, the one he posted 45 minutes ago must be a new recruit. Things are heating up fast. Hoping to see a grad transfer or two
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on May 17, 2023, 05:28:37 PM
Definitely seems like things are coming together.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on May 18, 2023, 03:23:07 PM
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1659292772375883813


Per Paul: We have another Commit. A Freshman. Does that leave 2 or 3 scholarships left?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on May 18, 2023, 03:44:30 PM
05, I think we technically have three scholarships left but we have to save one for Justus McNair for next year so two left?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on May 18, 2023, 04:09:33 PM
I think we could have 3 left if at least one is filled with a grad transfer to ensure we have at least one for him but you'd think they'd like more than one incoming freshman next year so I'd assume at least 2 of the next 3 are grad transfers if not all 3 to ensure some balance
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 18, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
Can anyone give Cooper Schwieger's background, home, size, weight, position, school, previous commits if any, etc.?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vufan75 on May 18, 2023, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 18, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
Can anyone give Cooper Schwieger's background, home, size, weight, position, school, previous commits if any, etc.?
From Kansas City, KS. 6-10 from my memory?

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUGrad1314 on May 18, 2023, 05:22:07 PM
It's getting really hard not to be super optimistic about this upcoming season. This list of commits is exciting! I think we're going to really surprise some people in the MVC!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 18, 2023, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 18, 2023, 05:22:07 PM
It's getting really hard not to be super optimistic about this upcoming season. This list of commits is exciting! I think we're going to really surprise some people in the MVC!

Not saying you're wrong, but who in particular are you excited for? I am having a hard time finding a ton of information on a lot of the newcomers so far.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: elephtheria47 on May 18, 2023, 05:52:21 PM
At some point you need bodies to field a team, but, I dont think we are quite at that point yet. Even tho info is limited, I am hoping and believing that we are getting them because we actually want them and believe they are beneficial. I trust Powell and the staff's judgments. Let the good times roll!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on May 18, 2023, 07:10:57 PM
Too many freshman so far. Rag tag, never played together. Curb your enthusiasm until we get some players from the portal with experience and minutes playing division 1 basketball.  Feels like the Wild West at this point. Yeehaw!
Ride 'em cowboy. One advantage of the portal is getting experienced division 1 players and not having just unbridled raw talent to have to slowly ready for play. Our experience transferred out. We need some experienced transfers in.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AB on May 18, 2023, 07:13:11 PM
Obviously reserve judgment until the roster is completely filled. I could see a scenario like Schertz at ISU. Bring in your system that looks like it clearly works, but a year or two away from taking foothold. More entertaining style of play, some higher scoring games, a few blow out losses but overall you could see the potential. Look at ISU from year one to two. As good as our coaching staff appears to be in the recruiting circles, they did get a "later" start. JFL, Frazekas, Kiser were just that good and the only team under Lottich that managed to make the mismatched pieces work. Like someone else said. Get the players that fit Powell's system.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on May 18, 2023, 07:45:21 PM
Remember this? Do you guys think Chairback made this up? I don't.

Quote from: Chairback on May 11, 2023, 04:27:22 PM
This will be interesting where he ends up academically.

June is going to be a really good month.  It's going to get really really good.   
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 18, 2023, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 18, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
Can anyone give Cooper Schwieger's background, home, size, weight, position, school, previous commits if any, etc.?
6'8 - @CarsonSchwieger -Overland Park, KS-- Stretch 4, High Motor. 42% from 3. Tough and willing rebounder. Skilled in the post. High level work ethic and high character!

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 18, 2023, 08:35:24 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 18, 2023, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 18, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
Can anyone give Cooper Schwieger's background, home, size, weight, position, school, previous commits if any, etc.?
6'8 - @CarsonSchwieger -Overland Park, KS-- Stretch 4, High Motor. 42% from 3. Tough and willing rebounder. Skilled in the post. High level work ethic and high character!
Wrong Schwieger, 72. Carson is Cooper's slightly shorter twin brother.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 19, 2023, 08:11:35 AM
AB were you referring to I think his name is Sturtz from maybe Drake?    I believe he was a walk-on who really panned out.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on May 19, 2023, 09:15:06 AM
64, I believe AB was referring to the coach at Indiana State.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 19, 2023, 09:52:34 AM
Thanks, sorry.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on May 19, 2023, 07:52:13 PM
I read Paul's article on '23 commit Cooper Schwieger.  Great capsule. 

But reading it and a number of his others, I am seeing a theme here. Every kid's quotes focus on, in no particular order, team, unselfish, whatever it takes, work harder, just winning, yaddah, yaddah — No me this or me that. Roger is finding and attracting  kids who epitomize the "I want to be coached to be the best WE can be."  He's also signing kids who possess a faith component. The combination of the two sets of values points to kids who want to stick around to finish what they are starting. This is gonna be a fun ride.

And here's another thing. A couple of kids made their first on-campus visit and almost immediately commited.  What's with that???

Something's happening.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 19, 2023, 08:08:00 PM
I have to say, after reading the piece on Schweiger I am REALLY getting excited for Valpo basketball again. It is clear to me this coaching staff has a vision, a plan to execute that vision, and is following that plan. Can't wait to see the team play together.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 19, 2023, 09:00:55 PM
Keep in mind that Schwieger is a prep school attendee and had received no other offers that I could find. Hopefully he's a diamond in the rough but it's not like Valpo beat out a bunch of other same level schools to get this guy.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 19, 2023, 09:44:38 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 19, 2023, 09:00:55 PM
Keep in mind that Schwieger is a prep school attendee and had received no other offers that I could find. Hopefully he's a diamond in the rough but it's not like Valpo beat out a bunch of other same level schools to get this guy.

True, but in the article it explains why. His  coach said the power 5 schools are going after transfers instead of high schoolers in todays day an age. Was also showed interest by two very very good programs and that the article details. Mid major programs have to find diamonds in the rough to build programs. If power 5 programs knew how good the Loyola players and coaches were from their run in the late 2010s before it happened, they would've recruited those players and signed those coaches too. How do you think Loyola ended up with the players they ended up with? Certainly not by beating out blue bloods recruiting them.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 19, 2023, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: vok22 on May 19, 2023, 09:44:38 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 19, 2023, 09:00:55 PMKeep in mind that Schwieger is a prep school attendee and had received no other offers that I could find. Hopefully he's a diamond in the rough but it's not like Valpo beat out a bunch of other same level schools to get this guy.
True, but in the article it explains why. His  coach said the power 5 schools are going after transfers instead of high schoolers in todays day an age. Was also showed interest by two very very good programs and that the article details. Mid major programs have to find diamonds in the rough to build programs. If power 5 programs knew how good the Loyola players and coaches were from their run in the late 2010s before it happened, they would've recruited those players and signed those coaches too. How do you think Loyola ended up with the players they ended up with? Certainly not by beating out blue bloods recruiting them.
I'm not referring to beating out bluebloods. How about other MVC schools or lower? He may end up being a diamond in the rough but I'm not sure about the gee whiz for him at this point.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valporun on May 20, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
It looks like Powell and crew are building for the next 4 years, not the next tomorrows. He's looking along the same path of recruiting that Gonzaga has always taken. Recruiting players that will work together and build each other, not just a kid with numbers that forgets there are 5 guys on the floor that can do something with the ball, instead of just him needing his numbers for draft status a year from now. Powell isn't going to recruit for today or tomorrow, he's recruiting for kids that are coachable, will learn more, and will also graduate knowing they were the epitome of "student athlete". I'm not going to sit here and gloat about the recruiting class on a daily basis. I'm going to wait until this team is on the court playing games in November and December, developing themselves into the roster for the first 4 years of the Roger Powell Experience.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on May 20, 2023, 07:32:33 AM
One might remember that Bob Knight was very meticulous in his recruiting.  He often took players that were not necessarily the highest rated coming out of high school along with some top rated guys who he felt had the qualities to work together to make a good team.  He recruited players who were hard workers, of good character, played good defense, fitted to a specific position or offense, and team oriented.  He was very loyal to his players and they felt the same way towards him.  Yes, there were some exceptions but in general that was the "setting".  It is the type of player being recruited that makes the difference and it looks like Coach Powell is heading in that same direction.  Quality kids who are committed.  So far...so good.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 20, 2023, 07:46:39 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 19, 2023, 07:52:13 PMAnd here's another thing. A couple of kids made their first on-campus visit and almost immediately commited.  What's with that???

It's the basketball facilities and arena! Or maybe, the food at the Union!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on May 20, 2023, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: JD24 on May 19, 2023, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: vok22 on May 19, 2023, 09:44:38 PM
Quote from: JD24 on May 19, 2023, 09:00:55 PMKeep in mind that Schwieger is a prep school attendee and had received no other offers that I could find. Hopefully he's a diamond in the rough but it's not like Valpo beat out a bunch of other same level schools to get this guy.
True, but in the article it explains why. His  coach said the power 5 schools are going after transfers instead of high schoolers in todays day an age. Was also showed interest by two very very good programs and that the article details. Mid major programs have to find diamonds in the rough to build programs. If power 5 programs knew how good the Loyola players and coaches were from their run in the late 2010s before it happened, they would've recruited those players and signed those coaches too. How do you think Loyola ended up with the players they ended up with? Certainly not by beating out blue bloods recruiting them.
I'm not referring to beating out bluebloods. How about other MVC schools or lower? He may end up being a diamond in the rough but I'm not sure about the gee whiz for him at this point.



I am not sure if you are a subscriber to the Victory Bell, but the teams listed in the article as showing interest in him are some very good mid major programs. Hadn't offered him yet, and maybe they weren't going to, but I have to imagine if schools like that were showing interest then there must be something there. I do agree, however, that it is hard to judge a lot of these guys due to lack of info.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 20, 2023, 08:19:33 AM
Quote from: vok22 on May 20, 2023, 08:06:52 AMI am not sure if you are a subscriber to the Victory Bell, but the teams listed in the article as showing interest in him are some very good mid major programs. Hadn't offered him yet, and maybe they weren't going to, but I have to imagine if schools like that were showing interest then there must be something there. I do agree, however, that it is hard to judge a lot of these guys due to lack of info.

I found the quote from his coach very interesting when he said that in the past he has had 11 or 12 kids on his team who all ended up with D1 scholarships.  further he said that this team was one of his best yet only 5 D1 offers.  The reason he offered was that high school kids are getting overlooked because coaches are filling their rosters with transfers.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: nkvu on May 20, 2023, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: vu72 on May 20, 2023, 08:19:33 AM
Quote from: vok22 on May 20, 2023, 08:06:52 AMI am not sure if you are a subscriber to the Victory Bell, but the teams listed in the article as showing interest in him are some very good mid major programs. Hadn't offered him yet, and maybe they weren't going to, but I have to imagine if schools like that were showing interest then there must be something there. I do agree, however, that it is hard to judge a lot of these guys due to lack of info.

I found the quote from his coach very interesting when he said that in the past he has had 11 or 12 kids on his team who all ended up with D1 scholarships.  further he said that this team was one of his best yet only 5 D1 offers.  The reason he offered was that high school kids are getting overlooked because coaches are filling their rosters with transfers.


Unfortunately I think this attitude makes a certain amount of sense. Five and even four star high school kids will always be recruited.  But why should a P5 school  chase three and lower star high school kids when all they have to do is wait a year or two for the ones who break out a bit to be available to transfer. Let the non-P5 schools get them through the transition from high school to college, get coached up, and let their bodies mature.  Then they can pick up a more seasoned player for a couple of years. Rinse and repeat.  Makes it tough on fans who enjoy watching a kid or a group of kids grow through their college experience, but this is the world we live in now. I'm afraid that in many cases the only kids that will stay at one school for their entire college career will be the one's who recognize that this is their level of ability and are satisfied with it. Kind of limits a non- P5 school's potential to excel. I hope Valpo can be the exception.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on May 20, 2023, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: nkvu on May 20, 2023, 10:52:10 AM
I'm afraid that in many cases the only kids that will stay at one school for their entire college career will be the one's who recognize that this is their level of ability and are satisfied with it. Kind of limits a non- P5 school's potential to excel. I hope Valpo can be the exception.
True. This is even more apparent in a system with immediate eligibility upon transfer and competition for NIL money. The exception would be Gonzaga, a mid-major that is no longer regarded as a mid-major by most because of their track record of success it created over time. This school should be the role model for Valparaiso, and if anyone can do it, here is hoping Coach Powell will be the right person for the job with his knowledge and experience in the Gonzaga program.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: SanityLost17 on May 20, 2023, 03:46:26 PM
My thoughts on recruiting........

There is a SURPLUS of basketball talent (athletes) in the world.   Athletic ability and basketball potential is abundant.   Now more than ever.   

Coaches who are smart in enough to recruit the talent, fit the talent together in a meaningful way, motivate the talent, develop the talent, and have a basketball mind capable of running and effective offense and defense with the talent.......... RARE..... 

There are lots of kids in the world that can play ball.    Coaches who can legitimately coach are at a premium.

Let's hope we have one of those coaches.   
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on May 22, 2023, 08:18:49 AM
Valpo needs bodies at this point. This early in Powell's tenure, it's absolutely worth it to take a flyer on a guy like Schweiger who isn't highly recruited. In the long run, though, acquiring talent to compete with the top schools in the Valley is going to be a "must"
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUGrad1314 on May 22, 2023, 11:11:07 AM
We'll get there. I really believe in the talent of this roster. I also believe that Powell knows what he's looking for and knows when he's got it when he sees it. Then again I may be so beaten down by how awful Lottich's tenure was I'm willing to believe anything at this point just because Matt is no longer at the helm.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on May 22, 2023, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 22, 2023, 11:11:07 AM
We'll get there. I really believe in the talent of this roster. I also believe that Powell knows what he's looking for and knows when he's got it when he sees it. Then again I may be so beaten down by how awful Lottich's tenure was I'm willing to believe anything at this point just because Matt is no longer at the helm.

I'm finding myself asking this same question. I never was the greatest judge of incoming talent so sensing how 23-24 and 24-25 play out is more a leap of faith that Roger is in and Matt is out.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on May 22, 2023, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on May 22, 2023, 08:18:49 AMValpo needs bodies at this point. This early in Powell's tenure, it's absolutely worth it to take a flyer on a guy like Schweiger who isn't highly recruited. In the long run, though, acquiring talent to compete with the top schools in the Valley is going to be a "must"
It absolutely is worth the shot. Its the oohing and ahhing about him and perhaps some others I find a bit much. I understand the faith (or hope) in Roger Powell being able to pick out 15 guys for a roster but we know little about any of these guys and nothing that's been shown has been overwhelmingly good to the point that the commitments deserve a ton of praise.

I still like the Canadian guy the most and he's not a Powell guy.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: mj on May 22, 2023, 01:24:26 PM
I think we'll really see the value of good coaching this year. Remember Ray McCallum's Detroit teams? Ton of talent but no teamwork. So they never lived up to their expectations.

I think Roger and his staff can build a cohesive unit that will play above their talent level. He's bringing hope back to the program, which is all we can ask for at this point.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on May 22, 2023, 01:34:50 PM
What we do know, via video, is that the players coming in are very athletic.  That plays well into Roger's stated objective of playing fast.  We will see a lot of fast breaks and quick shots, so at a minimum it will be exciting.  Beats the heck out of the last few years.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vufan75 on May 22, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 22, 2023, 01:34:50 PM
What we do know, via video, is that the players coming in are very athletic.  That plays well into Roger's stated objective of playing fast.  We will see a lot of fast breaks and quick shots, so at a minimum it will be exciting.  Beats the heck out of the last few years.
Agreed. In recent past we seemed to recruit players who we then tried to fit in some type of system. Now we have a system Coach talked about, and are recruiting players hopefully with skillsets to play in that system. This approach makes sense, and hoping we can have the similar quick success as say the Sycamores have recently had in the MVC after a coaching and philosophy change.

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on May 22, 2023, 02:11:48 PM
We had one first team MVC player and still finished in 10th place and got blown out by Murray State at Arch Madness with a coach in his 7th year. I think we will see improvement, player development and a system in place. Nice to get players from other places besides the state of Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on May 22, 2023, 03:08:12 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on May 22, 2023, 02:11:48 PM
We had one first team MVC player and still finished in 10th place and got blown out by Murray State at Arch Madness with a coach in his 7th year. I think we will see improvement, player development and a system in place. Nice to get players from other places besides the state of Wisconsin.

I will not stand for any slander concerning Wisconsin.

All you need is (Jordan) Love.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Chairback on May 22, 2023, 05:20:54 PM
I'm sure there are European bigs out there that are available. Historically we've seen some show up in the summer at Valpo.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on May 22, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
It appears that the right new head coach can persuade some talented young men to disregard less-than-ideal facilities, comparatively limited NIL opportunities, and other possible dealbreakers to join something potentially special in the making.

This doesn't mean that aspirations to upgrade the athletic facilities, expand NIL options, etc., should now be shelved. Rather, it's about the energy and credibility of this coaching staff. They will, of course, have to produce in the W-L column sooner than later. I think they get an obligatory transition year, with heavy expectations for 24-25. And if they start winning in 23-24, then all bets are off about how fast this program returns to D1 relevance.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Valpo Joe on May 22, 2023, 08:35:28 PM
DREAM WEAVER

I've just closed my eyes again
Climbed aboard the dream weaver train
Driver take away my worries of today
And leave tomorrow behind
Ooh, dream weaver
I believe you can get me through the night
Ooh, dream weaver
I believe we can reach the morning light
Fly me high through the starry skies
Maybe to an astral plane
Cross the highways of fantasy
Help me to forget today's pain
Ooh, dream weaver
I believe you can get me through the night
Ooh, dream weaver
I believe we can reach the morning light

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Valpower on May 22, 2023, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: vufan75 on May 22, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
Agreed. In recent past we seemed to recruit players who we then tried to fit in some type of system. Now we have a system Coach talked about, and are recruiting players hopefully with skillets to play in that system. This approach makes sense, and hoping we can have the similar quick success as say the Sycamores have recently had in the MVC after a coaching and philosophy change.

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If they have the skillets, they will probably pan out.  ;)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vufan75 on May 23, 2023, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: Valpower on May 22, 2023, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: vufan75 on May 22, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
Agreed. In recent past we seemed to recruit players who we then tried to fit in some type of system. Now we have a system Coach talked about, and are recruiting players hopefully with skillets to play in that system. This approach makes sense, and hoping we can have the similar quick success as say the Sycamores have recently had in the MVC after a coaching and philosophy change.

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If they have the skillets, they will probably pan out.  ;)
Thank you. Fixed it. [emoji1787]

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on May 23, 2023, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 22, 2023, 11:11:07 AM
We'll get there. I really believe in the talent of this roster. I also believe that Powell knows what he's looking for and knows when he's got it when he sees it. Then again I may be so beaten down by how awful Lottich's tenure was I'm willing to believe anything at this point just because Matt is no longer at the helm.

I've been thinking it's okay to always get excited about Valpo basketball but to temper myself to not believe in the overhyping of the players. It happens every year when the highlight videos come out and we, as fans, are hoping for the positive. There always seems to be some negatives with each player on the mid-major level and it's important to look for those things too and be realistic about the ability of these players to be successful even with the eventual excellent coaching, if he has learned from his very successful mentors, of Coach Powell.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on May 23, 2023, 02:02:24 PM
Perhaps we should balance the highlight videos with videos of the lowlights?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Valpo89 on May 23, 2023, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 23, 2023, 02:02:24 PM
Perhaps we should balance the highlight videos with videos of the lowlights?
I always keep this phrase in the back of my mind: There is a reason each player is on the Valpo roster, and not on a Power 6 roster.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: 78crusader on May 23, 2023, 06:40:24 PM
Would we all be as excited about this recruiting class if these players had been recruited by Coach Lottich?

Paul
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on May 23, 2023, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: 78crusader on May 23, 2023, 06:40:24 PM
Would we all be as excited about this recruiting class if these players had been recruited by Coach Lottich?

Paul

I'm not sure this board could be defined as being truly "excited" about our recruits to date. I have personally gone from over optimistic to hopeful and I sense that much of the board is as cautious as I am. Still your point is valid because  if Matt had found them I doubt we would be commenting much.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on May 23, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 23, 2023, 02:02:24 PM
Perhaps we should balance the highlight videos with videos of the lowlights?

I keep looking for the lowlight videos on each of our recruits but they don't seem to exist until they are playing for Valpo. I'm not sure how that always happens. :-(
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on May 23, 2023, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: 78crusader on May 23, 2023, 06:40:24 PM
Would we all be as excited about this recruiting class if these players had been recruited by Coach Lottich?

Paul

I plead fan status, not that of a close student of college hoops. So....I'm hopeful because these players are being recruited by Coach Powell. I'm trusting him and his coaching staff to start finding young men who bring the kind of talent and personal qualities this program needs to revive itself.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 03, 2023, 04:31:37 AM
Valpo Men's Basketball Welcomes Cooper Schwieger
FRIDAY, JUNE 2, 2023

Cooper:
"The main reason I decided on Valpo was Coach Powell," Schwieger said. "He recruited and believed in me, and when he gave me an offer, I could immediately tell that he was everything I wanted in a head coach. Right then, I told him I would come play for him. The offer from Coach Powell was the peak of my basketball career so far, and one of the most exciting things that I've ever experienced."

Roger:
"Cooper is extremely underrated," Powell said. "He is someone who has similarities to Alec Peters and Drew Timme. He's a skilled big who has a chance to be really good with work and playing with a chip on his shoulder. In time, he has an opportunity to become a Valpo great."

https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22156/valpo-mens-basketball-welcomes-cooper-schwieger/

https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1664778008555651074?s=20


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 05, 2023, 10:43:39 AM
https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22157/manyang-joins-valpo-basketball-program/

247 Sports had him ranked as the #50 center in the 2022 class and a three star recruit.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on June 06, 2023, 09:52:33 AM
Makes Powell look like Erik Buggs.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fxp6EccWcAMp9Kd?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 08, 2023, 04:30:12 AM
Take a long hard look. This is what a future star looks like.

https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1666511875440357376?s=20
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on June 08, 2023, 06:49:04 AM
Looks like Kaspar Sepp out of Estonia just committed to Valpo. 6'6, looks like an efficient shooter from the stats that I could find.

Edit: Just watched his highlight reel and he looks like a solid rebounder as well that is a very willing passer. I REALLY like what I see here.

Link to highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbTyzlBH0vQ
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on June 08, 2023, 08:50:10 AM
Quote from: valpopal on May 06, 2023, 11:54:13 PM
I understand Valpo has offered Kaspar Sepp:



Pleased to see Sepp now committed since he reminds me of one of my favorites, Kevin Van Wijk, with his movement inside the paint. I hope he proves to be as good.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on June 08, 2023, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: historyman on May 23, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
I keep looking for the lowlight videos on each of our recruits but they don't seem to exist until they are playing for Valpo. I'm not sure how that always happens. :-(
Reminder, it's okay to get excited but don't get overhyped about Valpo MBB.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on June 08, 2023, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: historyman on June 08, 2023, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: historyman on May 23, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
I keep looking for the lowlight videos on each of our recruits but they don't seem to exist until they are playing for Valpo. I'm not sure how that always happens. :-(
Reminder, it's okay to get excited but don't get overhyped about Valpo MBB.

I am taking everything in stride and trying to prepare myself for some really ugly early season basketball. We have only about 1200+ returning minutes played by our holdovers.   :o  This is a "from the ground up" total rebuild.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 08, 2023, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: justducky on June 08, 2023, 09:33:41 AMWe have only about 1200+ returning minutes played by our holdovers.

And I doubt any of those players will see the court.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Chairback on June 08, 2023, 10:37:18 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if more international bigs show up. 

LB
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on June 08, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Big question for me remains scholarships for 2024. Do we end up with one grad transfer or none and it's going to be a case where other students are just expected or encouraged to transfer?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusadermoe on June 08, 2023, 11:59:43 AM
Oh the good old days when you could sort of map out the likely starters by class year.   it's just year to year now and guesswork more than ever.

But in this case of our talent drop off and Roger's abilities to recruit it's a good thing to have the flexibility.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 08, 2023, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: historyman on June 08, 2023, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: historyman on May 23, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
I keep looking for the lowlight videos on each of our recruits but they don't seem to exist until they are playing for Valpo. I'm not sure how that always happens. :-(
Reminder, it's okay to get excited but don't get overhyped about Valpo MBB.

I love what I'm seeing in these new guys. Consider me officially overhyped.   ;)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on June 08, 2023, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: vok22 on June 08, 2023, 06:49:04 AMLooks like Kaspar Sepp out of Estonia just committed to Valpo. 6'6, looks like an efficient shooter from the stats that I could find. Edit: Just watched his highlight reel and he looks like a solid rebounder as well that is a very willing passer. I REALLY like what I see here. Link to highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbTyzlBH0vQ
The "school" he is playing for is kind of shaky but that may not make any difference in evaluating. The team(s) Fairmont is playing play in either the Junior College circuit(Santa Fe/Polk State) or post grad division (IMG). Jerome Palm came from this environment.

My guess, as with basically the remainder of the roster is that these guys will likely have to grow into being competitive in the conference.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 08, 2023, 03:10:23 PM
We are getting a VERY experienced young player who thrives playing defense!  Here is his personal statement:

PERSONAL STATEMENT
I have been playing basketball since 2010, in the city of Tartu, Estonia. I have been the captain of my team for my entire time in the club, also twice on the national team. 

Playing for the national team in the U16 European A-division Championships and for the main basketball team in Tartu have definitely been the biggest highlights of my career.  I have played in multiple international tournaments in various countries and also in the Estonian men's league, hence making me an experienced player. I am playing in 3 different leagues at the moment, one of them being the highest division in the country where I play against the best players in Estonia and Latvia.

I am looking for a  program that suits me both athletically as well as academically. Getting a good education is as important to me as playing. The school that I am studying in right now, ranked first among all high schools in Estonia in 2019.

Work-ethic, leadership skills, and a great basketball mind are the aspects that will surely help make an impact on your program. I am the defensive anchor of the team.  I believe I have what it takes to be a great leader for your team.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusadermoe on June 08, 2023, 03:43:41 PM
Didn't think we had a "ghost" of a chance to get Kaspar.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 08, 2023, 05:27:42 PM
Two schollies left.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on June 08, 2023, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on June 08, 2023, 03:43:41 PM
Didn't think we had a "ghost" of a chance to get Kaspar.

Yes but is he friendly?

Quote from: VULB#62 on June 08, 2023, 05:27:42 PM
Two schollies left.

Anybody have any hot speculation?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tjjvalpo on June 08, 2023, 07:59:22 PM
What other offers did Kaspar Sepp have? I looked, but couldn't find anything.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on June 08, 2023, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: tjjvalpo on June 08, 2023, 07:59:22 PM
What other offers did Kaspar Sepp have? I looked, but couldn't find anything.

Details are in the latest article on TheVictoryBell.com
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tjjvalpo on June 08, 2023, 08:19:52 PM
Thanks, Paul! Another great article.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 08, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: justducky on June 08, 2023, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 08, 2023, 05:27:42 PM
Two schollies left.
Anybody have any hot speculation?

Chairback earlier today:

"I wouldn't be surprised if more international bigs show up."
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on June 09, 2023, 06:39:50 AM
Fab Five....
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on June 09, 2023, 11:21:26 AM
I put this on Twitter, but thought it was interesting to share here.

The last group of five scholarship freshmen to join the roster was in 2013-14 when Alec Peters, Lexus Williams, Jubril Adekoya, Clay Yeo and Nick Davidson signed. The first, and only, time they were on the floor together came with 49 seconds left in second half of conference tourney loss to Milwaukee. They were on the floor together for five seconds before Peters committed a foul and Bryce brought four seniors in to close out the game. Yeo transferred after the season and that was that.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: covufan on June 10, 2023, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: Pgmado on June 09, 2023, 11:21:26 AM
I put this on Twitter, but thought it was interesting to share here.

The last group of five scholarship freshmen to join the roster was in 2013-14 when Alec Peters, Lexus Williams, Jubril Adekoya, Clay Yeo and Nick Davidson signed. The first, and only, time they were on the floor together came with 49 seconds left in second half of conference tourney loss to Milwaukee. They were on the floor together for five seconds before Peters committed a foul and Bryce brought four seniors in to close out the game. Yeo transferred after the season and that was that.
While I hope we get a senior or two to fill out squad, I appreciate your attention to detail, as I hope we don't need these freshmen, but use them extensively.


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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 11, 2023, 01:08:47 PM
Quinton Garrison has a new Boom!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1667952714595090432
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 11, 2023, 02:02:16 PM
Paul posted this after the Boom.  Impressive highlights.

https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1667959446050332673
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 02:21:52 PM
Not a single "boom" of his has been a boom... a boom is a 4-5 star or top player in the transfer portal.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on June 11, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 02:21:52 PM
Not a single "boom" of his has been a boom... a boom is a 4-5 star or top player in the transfer portal.

Has Valpo ever signed a 4-5 star player? Has Valpo ever gotten a top player in the transfer portal? When you get the job in April and are forced to fill out a roster after 90 percent of the country has filled out theirs, I'd say any commit would be "boom."
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: rogerwilco on June 11, 2023, 03:21:02 PM
I thought Kenny Harris was a 4-star on some sites.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 11, 2023, 03:28:01 PM
I would think a "Boom" would indicate a commitment/signing, not just an offer.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: humbleopinion on June 11, 2023, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: vu72 on June 11, 2023, 03:28:01 PM
I would think a "Boom" would indicate a commitment/signing, not just an offer.

It has been so far. I guess we need to be patient.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 03:32:45 PM
When I hear boom I'm thinking a league shattering get... There are many other things you can say then boom. It should be reserved for a massive signing, getting commits with no other D1 offers just isn't a boom, full stop. Burton and E. Were both ESPN 100.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on June 11, 2023, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 03:32:45 PM
When I hear boom I'm thinking a league shattering get... There are many other things you can say then boom. It should be reserved for a massive signing, getting commits with no other D1 offers just isn't a boom, full stop. Burton and E. Were both ESPN 100.

And how did burton turn out? It appears to be garrisons thing to post boom when we get a signing. What do you want him to do, use a slightly less enthusiastic phrase? It would still mean the same thing.

I gave up on caring about recruiting rankings and after the Lottich days. If Powell can put use the players he recruits to play together and in a winning fashion, I am in.

I think it is promising that pretty much everybody we have offered has committed to us. That tells me that Powell knows exactly what he wants, and when he goes after what he wants, he is likely going to get them and sell them on his plan. Also, from TVB article the other day it seems as if recruits are already starting to feel a bond together. Not that that translates directly to winning, but a good sign for being this early.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 11, 2023, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 02:21:52 PM
Not a single "boom" of his has been a boom... a boom is a 4-5 star or top player in the transfer portal.

Are you aware of any 4*/5* xfers or 23 HS grads out there that haven't yet signed and that we should be chasing?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 11, 2023, 04:22:24 PM
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 03:32:45 PM
When I hear boom I'm thinking a league shattering get... There are many other things you can say then boom. It should be reserved for a massive signing, getting commits with no other D1 offers just isn't a boom, full stop. Burton and E. Were both ESPN 100.

Our new assistant coach, who is under no obligation to tell the fan base anything, kindly gives us a heads up with every new recruit. Instead of expressing gratitude, or if you can't do that simply keeping your mouth shut, you start bitching about his use of the word "boom."

How about doing everyone a favor and zip it before coach Garrison decides to give us what you deserve - nothing. Better yet, do something constructive like many other posters do when we get a recruit and post an article or highlights for everyone's benefit.

Your friend, wh

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Just Sayin on June 11, 2023, 04:44:59 PM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 11, 2023, 05:13:46 PM
Highlights from Sherman Weatherspoon's senior season at BCC.  1st team All-Montgomery County and 1st team 4A South after transferring to BCC for his senior year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmalwdkcoHU

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 11, 2023, 07:30:18 PM
The common thread I see in our new recruits is speed, athleticism, and size. Add to that a charismatic coach driven to succeed and a bag of tricks from one of America's best head coaches, and I think we're off to a strong start.

As to 4 and 5-star players, or even established 3-star's with a ton of choices, Matt and Luke inherited a gold mine and left it in ashes. Roger is a strong believer, but as far as I know he can't perform miracles. Success breeds success, and success takes time.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: cornonthe on June 11, 2023, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on June 11, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on June 11, 2023, 02:21:52 PM
Not a single "boom" of his has been a boom... a boom is a 4-5 star or top player in the transfer portal.

Has Valpo ever signed a 4-5 star player? Has Valpo ever gotten a top player in the transfer portal? When you get the job in April and are forced to fill out a roster after 90 percent of the country has filled out theirs, I'd say any commit would be "boom."
Kenny Harris I'm pretty sure was a 4/5, pretty sure Antonio Falu as well, though I'm not sure about Burton...
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on June 12, 2023, 10:47:29 AM
Coach Powell returns to VU knowing first-hand what blend of talent and athleticism is necessary to play consistently at the NCAA tourney level. Had he become the HC after Bryce left, he wouldn't have that experience and insight. While it's very likely that this first batch of recruits isn't at that level overall, I'm betting that he sees that next-level potential in at least a few of them. And for us, if they play hard, compete, and bring VU back into respectability, we'll notice.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 11:42:58 AM
FWIW, a bit more info on Weatherspoon according to Big Shots, a BB tracking site.

Interest/Offers:  Texas A&M, Maryland, Wagner, Jacksonville State, Appalachian State, Western Illinois, Mississippi Valley State, Boise State, Towson State, Cal State-Northridge, Hawaii [and now Valpo].

From highlights,  he looks like a PG who can penetrate AND hit the 3 —- That's been missing in the Valpo offense for a long time.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 01:12:27 PM
It's official. Sepp's a Beacon!

https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1668288900131966979?s=20
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Chairback on June 12, 2023, 01:18:05 PM
Agree with WH, speed, athleticism, and size is a common theme.  No doubt about it.

I can't wait till the season starts.  A fresh new look, style, philosophy has me beyond excited.  I just love the enthusiasm and engagement this coaching staff has shown.   

And I love the Boom posts!! Coach Q keep it up. 



Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vufan75 on June 12, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Chairback on June 12, 2023, 01:18:05 PM
Agree with WH, speed, athleticism, and size is a common theme.  No doubt about it.

I can't wait till the season starts.  A fresh new look, style, philosophy has me beyond excited.  I just love the enthusiasm and engagement this coaching staff has shown.   

And I love the Boom posts!! Coach Q keep it up.
Yes sir! Agree with your evaluation. I'm excited for this team and potential. Trying to not get too far over my ski's though. But will be fun to watch the young guys grow and continue improving. Fun time ahead I'm hoping.

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Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Someone previously mentioned that it seems that when Roger selectively extends an offer to a recruit, they invariably wind up signing on with Valpo. We have no way of knowing how accurate this theory is, but, if true, we soon might be seeing a Weatherspoon tweet saying Committed! and soon after that a VUBB tweet saying Signed! 

That'll leave one slot.....  and another Boom! .... to go.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vok22 on June 12, 2023, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Someone previously mentioned that it seems that when Roger selectively extends an offer to a recruit, they invariably wind up signing on with Valpo. We have no way of knowing how accurate this theory is, but, if true, we soon might be seeing a Weatherspoon tweet saying Committed! and soon after that a VUBB tweet saying Signed! 

That'll leave one slot.....  and another Boom! .... to go.

I believe I am the one who said that. I am just basing that on the fact I can only remember one guy that I saw is publicly  offer for the class of 2023 that hasn't committed (2 including weatherspoon, which I have a feeling will change soon. Don't have any advanced knowledge, just based on trends). There was also a comment by a recruiting website owner or coach who said "when Powell wants a guy, he usually gets them" or soemthing along those lines.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 04:15:19 PM
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22159/sepp-becomes-latest-addition-to-valpo-mens-basketball/

From the above Valpo Athletics release on Sepp's signing I zeroed in on Roger's quote at the very end.

"I'm super excited about Kaspar," Powell said. "He has a great feel for the game of basketball. He brings an international pedigree and helps us continue the longstanding international pipeline at Valpo. He fits great within my system and is going to be an awesome addition to Valpo Basketball and the way that I want to play."

First:  He has a SYSTEM!!
Second:  He has a VISION for how the pieces work together.
Third:  This clearly demonstrates that he looks for a special kind of player that FITS into all this.

To me, this means roles will be clearly spelled out. There will be a single mindedness of purpose. And that the players and coaches will all be on the same page together. I think that's called coaching.

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 12, 2023, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 04:15:19 PM
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22159/sepp-becomes-latest-addition-to-valpo-mens-basketball/

From the above Valpo Athletics release on Sepp's signing I zeroed in on Roger's quote at the very end.

"I'm super excited about Kaspar," Powell said. "He has a great feel for the game of basketball. He brings an international pedigree and helps us continue the longstanding international pipeline at Valpo. He fits great within my system and is going to be an awesome addition to Valpo Basketball and the way that I want to play."

First:  He has a SYSTEM!!
Second:  He has a VISION for how the pieces work together.
Third:  This clearly demonstrates that he looks for a special kind of player that FITS into all this.

To me, this means roles will be clearly spelled out. There will be a single mindedness of purpose. And that the players and coaches will all be on the same page together. I think that's called coaching.



And all the players like playing defense!

"Defense is also important to me; I'm a guy who will do the dirty work."
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 12, 2023, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 04:15:19 PM
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22159/sepp-becomes-latest-addition-to-valpo-mens-basketball/

From the above Valpo Athletics release on Sepp's signing I zeroed in on Roger's quote at the very end.

"I'm super excited about Kaspar," Powell said. "He has a great feel for the game of basketball. He brings an international pedigree and helps us continue the longstanding international pipeline at Valpo. He fits great within my system and is going to be an awesome addition to Valpo Basketball and the way that I want to play."

First:  He has a SYSTEM!!
Second:  He has a VISION for how the pieces work together.
Third:  This clearly demonstrates that he looks for a special kind of player that FITS into all this.

To me, this means roles will be clearly spelled out. There will be a single mindedness of purpose. And that the players and coaches will all be on the same page together. I think that's called coaching.

System + vision + fit + defined roles + singlemindedness = consistency, as opposed to this:

https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1365467455561363461?s=20
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on June 12, 2023, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: vu72 on June 12, 2023, 06:43:36 PMAnd all the players like playing defense!

I just realized that I don't know what the Roger Powell defense is? How will he assemble his underplayed transfers, rookie freshman and underwhelming holdovers into a team that can stop points from being scored? Come to think of it, I don't know what his offense will look like either.  ??? Could I be the dumbest guy on this board?  :o.  DON'T ANSWER!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 07:52:55 PM
Ducky, I will ignore your last appeal. 😀

Here is my take. Roger wants skilled, athletic and unselfish players.  If a kid says he likes D, that means he is a bruiser, a guy with a chip who gets upset if his man scores. Being a former college coach (not BB), that tells me that their drive to win anyway possible is greater than the drive to personally score. In other words, I see Roger assembling, at various positions, 12-13 much more skilled John Kisers as his team. How could anyone not love that concept and a team like that?

Hey, I'm  sitting 4 hours away, never met the guy, but vibes tell me that I should be confident that Roger can pull this all together in the very first year and make Valpo a respectable opponent in every game. 

To borrow from Ted Lasso:  BELIEVE.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpo64 on June 12, 2023, 08:07:33 PM
As I have already stated awhile ago, Powell's approach in recruiting is similar to that of Bobby Knight.  Knight wanted guys who were basketball smart, liked  to and wanted to play defense, and the player was recruited to fit roles that Knight had in his system.  Some of Knight's recruits were not always the most highly recruited, the highest scorers, or well known.  I too am anxious to see the season start and watch Roger's team progress and blend together.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 13, 2023, 09:19:16 AM
Harry Schroeder of Valley Hoops, interviews Cooper Schwieger (you guys will love this!)

https://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/link-to-valpo/

Go to Valley Hoops Insider to hear the entire interview.  He and Edwards and others are already on campus!  Getting exciting!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on June 13, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
All of what we see as players or coaches saying this or that means a whole lot of nothing.

No kid who wants to be recruited is going to say anything remotely along the lines of they don't like playing defense. Every kid who's a potential recruit at any level is going to be instructed as to what to say and how to say it. "I love defense" is going to be amongst the first thoughts to include.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on June 13, 2023, 05:10:30 PM
Check out Coach Powell's twitter account ... new commitment ... Sherman Weatherspoon IV
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: chgovalpofan on June 13, 2023, 05:40:14 PM
I hope that Powell  saying his recruits like playing defense is backed by evidence and not just a player saying so.  You can tell the difference between the kids who know how to defend and those who are just shooters. 


I am really looking forward to watching this team come together.  I have heard that it is already night and day different than from before (in a good way).  Let's hope that translates to quality basketball this season.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUBBFan on June 13, 2023, 05:41:31 PM
https://twitter.com/spoon4x_/status/1668728215676788742
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Pgmado on June 13, 2023, 06:38:07 PM
TheVictoryBell.com coverage

Oct. 10 - Jahari Williamson
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valparaiso-lands-canadian-point-guard (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valparaiso-lands-canadian-point-guard)

Oct. 27 - Yanis Bamba
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/the-french-connection

Apr. 30 - Ola Ajiboye
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/ajiboye-commits-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/ajiboye-commits-to-valparaiso)

May 5 - Isaiah Stafford
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/stafford-latest-to-commit-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/stafford-latest-to-commit-to-valparaiso)

May 14 - Jaxon Edwards
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valpo-lands-first-indiana-all-star (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valpo-lands-first-indiana-all-star)

May 16 - Justus McNair
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/mcnair-is-first-24-to-commit-to-valpo (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/mcnair-is-first-24-to-commit-to-valpo)

May 18 - Lual Manyang
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/manyang-commits-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/manyang-commits-to-valparaiso)

May 19 - Cooper Schwieger
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/schwieger-finds-right-fit-at-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/schwieger-finds-right-fit-at-valparaiso)

June 8 - Kaspar Sepp
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/sepp-commits-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/sepp-commits-to-valparaiso)

June 13 - Sherman Weatherspoon IV
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/weatherspoon-iv-latest-to-join-valpo (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/weatherspoon-iv-latest-to-join-valpo)

One more to go...
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 13, 2023, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on June 13, 2023, 05:41:31 PM
https://twitter.com/spoon4x_/status/1668728215676788742

I think this kid may be the "boom" some of you were looking for! 
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on June 13, 2023, 07:46:59 PM
When I think of Coach Powell the past two months gradually recruiting players mostly with few other significant offers to come to the small program of Valparaiso with poor facilities and no real NIL money to present them, I imagine Yul Brynner giving a pitch as he assembles men in The Magnificent Seven.


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 13, 2023, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on June 13, 2023, 06:38:07 PM
TheVictoryBell.com coverage

Oct. 10 - Jahari Williamson
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valparaiso-lands-canadian-point-guard (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valparaiso-lands-canadian-point-guard)

Oct. 27 - Yanis Bamba
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/the-french-connection

Apr. 30 - Ola Ajiboye
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/ajiboye-commits-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/ajiboye-commits-to-valparaiso)

May 5 - Isaiah Stafford
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/stafford-latest-to-commit-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/stafford-latest-to-commit-to-valparaiso)

May 14 - Jaxon Edwards
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valpo-lands-first-indiana-all-star (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/valpo-lands-first-indiana-all-star)

May 16 - Justus McNair
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/mcnair-is-first-24-to-commit-to-valpo (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/mcnair-is-first-24-to-commit-to-valpo)

May 18 - Lual Manyang
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/manyang-commits-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/manyang-commits-to-valparaiso)

May 19 - Cooper Schwieger
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/schwieger-finds-right-fit-at-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/schwieger-finds-right-fit-at-valparaiso)

June 8 - Kaspar Sepp
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/sepp-commits-to-valparaiso (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/sepp-commits-to-valparaiso)

June 13 - Sherman Weatherspoon IV
https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/weatherspoon-iv-latest-to-join-valpo (https://www.thevictorybell.com/p/weatherspoon-iv-latest-to-join-valpo)

One more to go...

Outstanding Sherman Weatherspoon article. I'll echo what others have been saying. A victorybell.com subscription is a must have for every passionate Valpo fan.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 13, 2023, 08:20:06 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 12, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Someone previously mentioned that it seems that when Roger selectively extends an offer to a recruit, they invariably wind up signing on with Valpo. We have no way of knowing how accurate this theory is, but, if true, we soon might be seeing a Weatherspoon tweet saying Committed! and soon after that a VUBB tweet saying Signed! 

That'll leave one slot.....  and another Boom! .... to go.


And only yesterday we were talking and.....................  just sayin  ::)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on June 13, 2023, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: vu72 on June 13, 2023, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on June 13, 2023, 05:41:31 PMhttps://twitter.com/spoon4x_/status/1668728215676788742
I think this kid may be the "boom" some of you were looking for!

This is the one signee that I see upside with a move to the next level. Kudos to Coach Powell on this signing. That doesn't mean I don't think the other guys can play just that what I see out of them I have no idea if they can play.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 16, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
My guess is that Roger keeps the last scholarship in his hip pocket available for the mid-year transfer/stray 4*.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: tiny707 on June 16, 2023, 12:13:38 PM
I think the last scholarship can only
be used for a grad transfer if we need one for McNair?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 16, 2023, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on June 16, 2023, 12:13:38 PM
I think the last scholarship can only
be used for a grad transfer if we need one for McNair?

Given the glut of underclassmen, I doubt very seriously that all will want to stay after this year as playing time becomes more clear and the reality that these guys are going to be around for a few more year, thus, time to transfer.  Your point is valid however as if everybody does stay there is only one left for McNair.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 27, 2023, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: JD24 on June 13, 2023, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: vu72 on June 13, 2023, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on June 13, 2023, 05:41:31 PMhttps://twitter.com/spoon4x_/status/1668728215676788742
I think this kid may be the "boom" some of you were looking for!

This is the one signee that I see upside with a move to the next level. Kudos to Coach Powell on this signing. That doesn't mean I don't think the other guys can play just that what I see out of them I have no idea if they can play.

It's now official.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22166/sherman-weatherspoon-iv-joins-valpo-mens-basketball-program/
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on June 28, 2023, 11:06:08 AM
I love the new graphics designs on these announcements.

https://twitter.com/RogerPowellJr/status/1674040615900774400?s=20
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on June 28, 2023, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: wh on June 28, 2023, 11:06:08 AM
I love the new graphics designs on these announcements.

[tweet]1674040615900774400[/tweet]?s=20
As a visual artist, I think this would be fine without the peeking dog and the brown smudges in the corners (and the redundant diagonal yellow flag in an upper corner), which create an annoying distraction from the center focus and throw off the symmetry of the imagery.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on June 29, 2023, 02:10:25 PM
I just came across this 20 minute video of Lual Manyang doing a workout.  Watch his use of the left hand.  Would love to have a basketball guy like FWAlum give us an opinion on his potential.

Remember, this video was taken November 30, 2020!!  Going on THREE years ago!  We may have something great here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9uF3XX1IM
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on June 29, 2023, 04:53:47 PM
Pretty agile feet and decent ambidextrous ball handling/dribbling skill for a young big.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: FWalum on July 01, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
Videos like this are very hard to glean information from. I will say it is pretty impressive and not nearly as raw as I maybe would have expected. l would expect him to have great potential. However, it is not hard to be impressive with absolutely no resistance or defense. All of that training was for someone playing the 4 with no back to the basket drills (which are generally missing from today's player workouts. Think Kevin van Wijk.). Would have been a lot more informative if the coach applied some minimal interference so he would have had to make some forced direction and dribble movements so we could get a better idea of his left hand skills. Would love to see what he is doing on the court today. Excited to see the current product!
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: crusader05 on July 02, 2023, 05:29:21 PM
Another Boom post a day after Don Bosco tweeted about Lucas Scroggins taking his official visit to Valpo this weekend.

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on July 02, 2023, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on July 02, 2023, 05:29:21 PM
Another Boom post a day after Don Bosco tweeted about Lucas Scroggins taking his official visit to Valpo this weekend.
Interesting, since Verbal Commits and others have listed Scroggins as a 2024 recruit, but Bosco lists him as a 2023 recruit, which seems more reliable. As a member of the 2023 class, I believe he would be the final piece to this season's puzzle, which would be truly puzzling since I don't believe the team would have any seniors, though a couple with junior status could be academic seniors in the upcoming year. For some reason, Verbal Commits also doesn't even have Kaspar Sepp's name on their board.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUBBFan on July 05, 2023, 06:18:32 PM
Things keep happening
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1676717857567281152
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on July 06, 2023, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 02, 2023, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on July 02, 2023, 05:29:21 PM
Another Boom post a day after Don Bosco tweeted about Lucas Scroggins taking his official visit to Valpo this weekend.
Interesting, since Verbal Commits and others have listed Scroggins as a 2024 recruit, but Bosco lists him as a 2023 recruit, which seems more reliable. As a member of the 2023 class, I believe he would be the final piece to this season's puzzle, which would be truly puzzling since I don't believe the team would have any seniors, though a couple with junior status could be academic seniors in the upcoming year. For some reason, Verbal Commits also doesn't even have Kaspar Sepp's name on their board.
I am hearing Scroggins is committed. Waiting for the official announcement.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on July 06, 2023, 09:19:51 PM
Good luck to Bamba, as you can't fault him, but I have to believe he would get less playing time at a school like Wichita State versus Valpo
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on July 06, 2023, 09:27:23 PM
Well, the commit part is now out there. Next comes the signing and official VU release. .......and Paul's story. But still one more slot to fill for the 23-24 season.

https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1677073404606971904?s=20
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on July 06, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
This team is huge.

Schwieger 6-10
Manyang 6-10
Palm 6-10
Scroggins 6-9
Ajiboye 6-8
Sepp 6-7
Edwards 6-6

All long and athletic (and inexperienced).
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on July 07, 2023, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: wh on July 06, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
This team is huge.

Schwieger 6-10
Manyang 6-10
Palm 6-10
Scroggins 6-9
Ajiboye 6-8
Edwards 6-6

All long and athletic (and inexperienced).
Add Kaspar Sepp at 6'7"
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on July 07, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: valpopal on July 07, 2023, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: wh on July 06, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
This team is huge.

Schwieger 6-10
Manyang 6-10
Palm 6-10
Scroggins 6-9
Ajiboye 6-8
Edwards 6-6

All long and athletic (and inexperienced).
Add Kaspar Sepp at 6'7"

Good catch. I edited him in.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu84v2 on July 07, 2023, 09:10:25 AM
I assume that Coach Powell and his staff will look to develop a system that includes aggressive (in your face, physical) defense. Long, athletic players would seem to fit this system very well (especially in the MVC). Lots of player development will be needed (and that will take some time), but I think we have the right coach and staff in place to make such a system successful.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on July 07, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Quote from: wh on July 07, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: valpopal on July 07, 2023, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: wh on July 06, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
This team is huge.

Schwieger 6-10
Manyang 6-10
Palm 6-10
Scroggins 6-9
Ajiboye 6-8
Edwards 6-6

All long and athletic (and inexperienced).
Add Kaspar Sepp at 6'7"

Good catch. I edited him in.

So ........  They can run.  They are quick footed/agile. Even the bigs seem to be decent ball handlers. They can leap. Assuming coachability (cuz that is high on Roger's priority list), the only really big characteristic that none of us really knows at this point is scoring ability/shooting accuracy, right?

Which brings me to my question:  With an emphasis on 'athletic,' going back (or even way back) can anyone recall a Valpo team's roster composition quite like this one? What I mean is does this team remind us of any previous teams? If so, which one(s)?  Just curious cuz I don't have the knowledge........
 
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: vu72 on July 07, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on July 07, 2023, 09:56:41 AMWhich brings me to my question:  With an emphasis on 'athletic,' going back (or even way back) can anyone recall a Valpo team's roster composition quite like this one? What I mean is does this team remind us of any previous teams? If so, which one(s)?  Just curious cuz I don't have the knowledge........
 

I don' think there are many.

One possibility:

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/2003-04/


Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on July 07, 2023, 10:33:58 AM
There are some familiar names there. Wish I had seen them play.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on July 07, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 07, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on July 07, 2023, 09:56:41 AMWhich brings me to my question:  With an emphasis on 'athletic,' going back (or even way back) can anyone recall a Valpo team's roster composition quite like this one? What I mean is does this team remind us of any previous teams? If so, which one(s)?  Just curious cuz I don't have the knowledge........


I don' think there are many.

One possibility:

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/2003-04/

Another possibility 2015-16

https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/2015-16/

8 of 13 payers 6-7 or taller with athleticism
Derrick 7-1
Vashil 6-10
Alec 6-9
David 6-8
E. Victor 6-8
Jubril 6-7
Shane 6-7
Levingston 6-7

Notably, Roger was an assistant on the 2015-16 team and recruited some of those guys.

Similarities in where players came from:
'15-16/'23-24
Canada 2/2
Other foreign 3/3
Illinois 6/3
Indiana 1/1
Other states 1/3

(Bosco 1/2 - Bosco connection disappeared when Roger left and suddenly reappears in spades when Roger returns)

Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VULB#62 on July 07, 2023, 12:37:51 PM
Wow, that puts 23-24 among some illustrious company.  No one has brought up the 97-98 team yet. Good bb players but not as big or athletic?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: AB on July 07, 2023, 07:04:16 PM
Stating obvious here, but complete 180 on the recruiting strategy from the last staff to this one. As I said before, this could mirror the Indiana State strategy post Greg Lansing. Build with youth, more exciting style, actually organized offensive system, some blowout losses , but you can see the potential is there, just need game experience. I hope with the years team, we see them more ready to play from the start and not just go through the motions.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: Valpo Joe on July 07, 2023, 07:51:46 PM
From Wikipedia

The tallest team
Valpo's "World's Tallest Team" was actually a collection of teams that gained Valparaiso national recognition during World War II and began in 1942 when a pair of Michigan City, Indiana brothers, Don and Wally Warnke, joined Valpo when their high school coach, Loren Ellis, was hired as head coach.[6][7] At 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) tall, the Warnke brothers were ineligible to be drafted into the service. Ellis found several other tall players, including Milt Schoon. Valparaiso did well with the Warnke brothers before Wally was able to enlist and fight in World War II. In 1943, his brother, Don, stayed and was joined by a group of newcomers, including Schoon, Bob Dillie, John Janisch and Alvin Schmidt, as they finished with 17 wins, including a win over No. 1 DePaul in which Schoon held George Mikan to nine points.[6]

Warnke would graduate following the season, but would return as an assistant coach and later the head coach after Ellis left. In the 1944–45 season. The team won its first 11 games, including a program-defining victory over Long Island at Madison Square Garden. Despite finishing 21–3 on the season, the Crusaders were held out of the National Invitation Tournament, with their spot likely going to Midwest powers DePaul and/or Bowling Green.[6]

The iconic photograph of Valparaiso's players standing outside Madison Square Garden is displayed just outside the Athletics-Recreation Center court to this day. The team was inducted into the Valparaiso University Hall of Fame in 2004.[6][7]
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on July 07, 2023, 08:22:22 PM
With Bamba now gone to Wichita State, have we narrowed our primary focus list down to senior shooting guards?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpotx on July 07, 2023, 09:18:40 PM
We were big and athletic for just about every year that I was on campus from the 1999-2000 to 2003-2004 seasons.  You can knock the conference that we were in at the time, but we beat strong programs during those years, outside of conference.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on July 08, 2023, 11:06:58 AM
With 9 scholarships to fill and getting a late start, I assumed the end result would be a patchwork quilt of veteran players out of an already picked over transfer portal. To the contrary, the staff scoured prep school rosters all over the country and came up with 5 brand new players. Add in a talented JC player and 2 first year players from the portal, and we have a team with which the coaching staff can build a new foundation. This is intentional and strategic - short term pain for long term gain. I like it.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: historyman on July 08, 2023, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: Valpo Joe on July 07, 2023, 07:51:46 PM
From Wikipedia

The tallest team
Valpo's "World's Tallest Team" was actually a collection of teams that gained Valparaiso national recognition during World War II and began in 1942 when a pair of Michigan City, Indiana brothers, Don and Wally Warnke, joined Valpo when their high school coach, Loren Ellis, was hired as head coach.[6][7] At 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) tall, the Warnke brothers were ineligible to be drafted into the service. Ellis found several other tall players, including Milt Schoon. Valparaiso did well with the Warnke brothers before Wally was able to enlist and fight in World War II. In 1943, his brother, Don, stayed and was joined by a group of newcomers, including Schoon, Bob Dillie, John Janisch and Alvin Schmidt, as they finished with 17 wins, including a win over No. 1 DePaul in which Schoon held George Mikan to nine points.[6]

Warnke would graduate following the season, but would return as an assistant coach and later the head coach after Ellis left. In the 1944–45 season. The team won its first 11 games, including a program-defining victory over Long Island at Madison Square Garden. Despite finishing 21–3 on the season, the Crusaders were held out of the National Invitation Tournament, with their spot likely going to Midwest powers DePaul and/or Bowling Green.[6]

The iconic photograph of Valparaiso's players standing outside Madison Square Garden is displayed just outside the Athletics-Recreation Center court to this day. The team was inducted into the Valparaiso University Hall of Fame in 2004.[6][7]


(https://www.valpo.edu/valpomag/files/2017/12/1945_mens_basketball_madison_square_garden-e1513735274943.jpg)
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: valpopal on July 09, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
[tweet]1677681942538469377[/tweet]
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on July 09, 2023, 11:56:52 PM
Another Don Bosco Prep offer:

https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1678195687639470080?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on July 10, 2023, 01:03:09 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 09, 2023, 11:56:52 PM
Another Don Bosco Prep offer:

https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1678195687639470080?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw

This says academic scholarship. Is he a walk-on, or is this unrelated to men's bb?
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VU2014 on July 10, 2023, 06:59:00 AM
Quote from: wh on July 10, 2023, 01:03:09 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 09, 2023, 11:56:52 PM
Another Don Bosco Prep offer:

https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1678195687639470080?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw

This says academic scholarship. Is he a walk-on, or is this unrelated to men's bb?

Good catch. Possible walk-on
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: David81 on July 10, 2023, 01:12:19 PM
Great Victory Bell interview with Jahari Williamson, who decided to stick with VU after meeting with Coach Powell.

Even if we have no idea right now how this team will perform this year, it appears that VU is attracting some high-caliber young men to the program. I'm happy to take that as a start.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: wh on July 10, 2023, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: David81 on July 10, 2023, 01:12:19 PM
Great Victory Bell interview with Jahari Williamson, who decided to stick with VU after meeting with Coach Powell.

Even if we have no idea right now how this team will perform this year, it appears that VU is attracting some high-caliber young men to the program. I'm happy to take that as a start.

Another outstanding article by Paul.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on July 10, 2023, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2023, 06:59:00 AM
Quote from: wh on July 10, 2023, 01:03:09 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 09, 2023, 11:56:52 PMAnother Don Bosco Prep offer: https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1678195687639470080?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
This says academic scholarship. Is he a walk-on, or is this unrelated to men's bb?
Good catch. Possible walk-on
He was in the HS program so likely walk on at best.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on August 15, 2023, 09:15:31 PM
Here is a new walk on and its from the Valpo family. Nice story:

https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2023-24/22195/from-gridiron-to-hardwood-anthony-sciarroni-joins-valpo-mens-basketball-program-as-walk-on/
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: justducky on August 16, 2023, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: JD24 on August 15, 2023, 09:15:31 PM
Here is a new walk on and its from the Valpo family. Nice story:

https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2023-24/22195/from-gridiron-to-hardwood-anthony-sciarroni-joins-valpo-mens-basketball-program-as-walk-on/


We could be involved in some blowouts this season  :( with only 12 scholarship players, so it might be a good year to be a walk on.
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: RS on August 16, 2023, 12:17:38 PM
Another walk-on announced today. Luke Carroll 6'4 235 lb guard from Westfield Indiana.  Junior College transfer from Lake Land College. First team all County as a senior in High School
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUBBFan on August 16, 2023, 12:54:22 PM
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1691844487318774154
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: VUBBFan on August 16, 2023, 01:01:24 PM
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1691847837858910707
Title: Re: Recruiting: 2023
Post by: JD24 on August 16, 2023, 09:02:35 PM
Roger's first move is pretty obvious in installing the "confuse them with numbers" offense with 3 players wearing #5.