I see none. No one wants them.
Quote from: tiny707 on March 06, 2023, 07:06:36 AMI see none. No one wants them
Good point, but nobody likes clinging to a sinking ship so several may search elsewhere. Matt isn't the only desperate coach so inquiries and offers will likely snare a few. So the revolving door of players hitting town for a cup of coffee is likely to continue. Meanwhile this isn't what the fans want so the stands will continue to empty.
This isn't a pretty picture for either an incoming or outgoing coach.
Other than Krikke, there isn't a returning player from this year's roster that looks like they belong in the MVC. To PO's point, I suppose there could be a player or two ready to take a quantum leap, but, let's face it. Quantum leaps don't materialize at Valpo anymore. Now, if he were to project a strong likelihood of 1 or 2 players suffering dibilitating, season ending injuries next year, I'd be the first person to applaud his artidcle. Here's the harsh reality, in my honest opinion. Anything and everything good about Valpo men's basketball, everything we were proud of, has completely disappeared, almost as if it never existed. With that load of negativity, let me add this. My prediction for next year: with Krikke 8-22; without Krikke 4-26 (2 wins in conference).
Quote from: wh on March 06, 2023, 06:59:09 PM
Other than Krikke, there isn't a returning player from this year's roster that looks like they belong in the MVC. To PO's point, I suppose there could be a player or two ready to take a quantum leap, but, let's face it. Quantum leaps don't materialize at Valpo anymore. Now, if he were to project a strong likelihood of 1 or 2 players suffering dibilitating, season ending injuries next year, I'd be the first person to applaud his artidcle. Here's the harsh reality, in my honest opinion. Anything and everything good about Valpo men's basketball, everything we were proud of, has completely disappeared, almost as if it never existed. With that load of negativity, let me add this. My prediction for next year: with Krikke 8-22; without Krikke 4-26 (2 wins in conference).
Yikes that is bleak.
My opinion is if the Athletics Department can fairly cheaply get out Lottich's contract without a buyout, let's just rip the band aid and start the healing process. If Dr. Small identified his guy to lead the program and can land him this offseason, pull the trigger. Everyone is under the assumption there are no opt outs in the contracts. I have no clue, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Dr. Small & Pres Padilla have to know they need to make a change by now.
Quote from: wh on March 06, 2023, 06:59:09 PM
Other than Krikke, there isn't a returning player from this year's roster that looks like they belong in the MVC. To PO's point, I suppose there could be a player or two ready to take a quantum leap, but, let's face it. Quantum leaps don't materialize at Valpo anymore. Now, if he were to project a strong likelihood of 1 or 2 players suffering dibilitating, season ending injuries next year, I'd be the first person to applaud his artidcle. Here's the harsh reality, in my honest opinion. Anything and everything good about Valpo men's basketball, everything we were proud of, has completely disappeared, almost as if it never existed. With that load of negativity, let me add this. My prediction for next year: with Krikke 8-22; without Krikke 4-26 (2 wins in conference).
The real question is "when will Ragland and Evansville pass Valpo in the MVC standings."
You would have to think Small wants to pull the trigger and fix this but may not be allowed to. Who knows what is going to happen this week, but if all stays the same the apathy toward basketball and athletics escalates.
Let the recruiting dogs out.
https://twitter.com/TP4PT/status/1633200932313001986
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 07, 2023, 02:38:20 PMLet the recruiting dogs out. https://twitter.com/TP4PT/status/1633200932313001986
[/size][size=78%]I truly believe two Duke starters could transfer to Valpo and we wouldn't avoid Thursday night. The coaching on this team SUCKS. No offensive strategy, no adjustments, no plays. [/size]
Really hard to argue this
Quote from: Bumbo on March 09, 2023, 05:33:19 PM
Really hard to argue this
Ok, I'll bite. Really hard to argue what exactly?
'21-22 portal losses that weren't:
• Edwards to Loyola. End of the bench on a team that finished 15th (dead last) in the A-10.
• Trey Woodyard. 2 PPG at New Hampshire
• Keyondre Young. Junior College.
'22-23 portal additions that weren't:
• Nick Edwards - Best PG on the team. Terrible perimeter shooter. D-1 quality? Yes. MVC quality? No.
• Quinton Green - D-1 quality? Yes. MVC quality? No.
Potential future transfer losses that wouldn't be:
• Palesse
• Ruedinger
• Barrett
• DeAveiro
• Freese-Vilien
• Nelson
• Hedstrom
• Bayu?
• Palm?
Conclusion: What was once considered Matt's strongest suit - recruiting - has become just another glaring deficiency.
Advice:
When you can't recruit, game plan, coach, teach, or put together a quality schedule, you might want to consider a career change.
Wh, very good analysis.
For Krikke, who has been loyal and played admirably, for his sake I hope he transfers to a better program next year to elevate his game. Staying here has no benefit if he wants to improve his game, especially given the lack of commitment to the basketball program.
UIC just lost their top player and scorer, Jace Carter to the portal.
I really don't understand your comment usc. Are you with us or against us? You want Ben to transfer? I want Ben to be happy, but I put Valpo's team success before any player any time. You appear to be very vindictive.
Quote from: vu72 on March 12, 2023, 09:39:13 AM
UIC just lost their top player and scorer, Jace Carter to the portal.
Wouldn't Carter be a nice surprise!
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 12, 2023, 08:14:49 AM
Wh, very good analysis.
For Krikke, who has been loyal and played admirably, for his sake I hope he transfers to a better program next year to elevate his game. Staying here has no benefit if he wants to improve his game, especially given the lack of commitment to the basketball program.
First off, what analysis? He compiled a list of everybody available. That is some deep stuff. Secondly you hope our best player transfers, now that is a real fan.
Here is the point - Krikke has been great, and has an extra year. Valpo basketball is tanking if they don't make a change. If Valpo is not committing to the basketball program, then Ben should find a better opportunity to enhance his skill set. I would hate to see him go, but I would certainly respect his decisions. If Valpo makes changes for the better, then Krikke should consider staying. fair enough?
Regarding my views on Valpo's strategy, I am just based it on the Strength Finders methodology, where you focus on strengths and reduce the scope.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 12, 2023, 08:14:49 AMStaying here has no benefit if he wants to improve his game,
Didn't he make it onto the MVC Most Improved Team this year? It seems he has shown that he can improve at VU. He'd certainly be guaranteed plenty of playing time.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 12, 2023, 04:12:41 PM
Here is the point - Krikke has been great, and has an extra year. Valpo basketball is tanking if they don't make a change. If Valpo is not committing to the basketball program, then Ben should find a better opportunity to enhance his skill set. I would hate to see him go, but I would certainly respect his decisions. If Valpo makes changes for the better, then Krikke should consider staying. fair enough?
Regarding my views on Valpo's strategy, I am just based it on the Strength Finders methodology, where you focus on strengths and reduce the scope.
If Krikke stays, he'll likely be given every reasonable opportunity to further develop his 3 point shooting, which showed signs of coming around this season but often resulted in a lot of misses. In terms of pro readiness, especially the European game, a better 3-point shot could pay major dividends.
But suppose he transfers to a P5 school. Do you think they'd let him fire away from deep? If he's lucky, he'd start and be expected to shoot from close to midrange.
Realistically Ben's only shot at pros are developing in Europe. NBA teams take 22 year old rookies few and far between.
His best bet to make cash is use NIL and go P5, he has body of work to land a deal in Europe. He can be a high volume player there. In NBA you need to have an elite skill to make it if you are not a high volume player.
Krikke is NOT an NBA player but can succeed well in Europe. I would hate to see him in a similar season at Valpo next year as we saw with this year's disaster. He deserves better to improve his skills, and playing with better competition will only make him better.
Now if Valpo makes a change to create a better situation for Ben, I likely change my opinion.
https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/1634967265971146752?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Quote from: VU2014 on March 12, 2023, 07:47:43 PM
https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/1634967265971146752?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
He's smart. He won't come into this mess of a program.
Why wouldn't Luka Sakota come to Valpo? I mean .. Valpo IS the Harvard of the midwest!?!?!? ???
Quote from: Dr. T on March 12, 2023, 09:15:15 PM
Why wouldn't Luka Sakota come to Valpo? I mean .. Valpo IS the Harvard of the midwest!?!?!? ???
https://currentschoolgist.com/harvard-of-the-midwest-is-washington-university-in-st-louis-the-harvard-of-the-midwest/?amp (https://currentschoolgist.com/harvard-of-the-midwest-is-washington-university-in-st-louis-the-harvard-of-the-midwest/?amp)
Hence, while Washington University in St. Louis is a great school, it cannot be truthfully regarded as Harvard of the Midwest.[/size]"However, the same ranking put University of Chicago in #6 Best National University and #19 in Best Value School. It is the first [/size]university from the Midwest to appear in the list. (https://currentschoolgist.com/is-the-university-of-toronto-an-ivy-league-list-of-ivy-league-universities-in-canada/?amp)"
[/size]Now, it is important to understand the fact that the term "Harvard of the Midwest" is not an official designation. It is merely a marketing gimmick used by schools who are trying hard to piggyback on the prestige of [/size]Harvard University. (https://currentschoolgist.com/harvard-university-scholarships-opportunities/?amp)[/size]That said, the origin of referring to the University of Michigan (as the Harvard of the Midwest) can be traced to an impromptu speech delivered by John F. Kennedy on the steps of Michigan Union in 1960.[/size]It was a speech given during his campaign for presidency. The speech was intended to communicate the intention of Kennedy to establish the Peace Corps as a new way to serve the country and humanity.[/size]Specifically, the speech started thus:[/size]"I want to express my thanks to you, as a graduate of the Michigan of the East, Harvard University."John Lithgow, Harvard grad, once said at a Valpo anniversary gathering something like "I am honored to be a graduate from the Valparaiso of New England."
Not sure where you are going. The engineering program at Valpo is solid with excellent professors who want to teach. there is commitment to the program.
The basketball program at Valpo on the other hand is sinking and has a lack of commitment. If Valpo doesn't make changes for the better, Krikke should consider making a move to improve himself and his opportunities. He has been here for 4 years admirably and has played great, if he left for his final year I would respect that.
Quote from: historyman on March 13, 2023, 03:51:24 AMJohn Lithgow, Harvard grad, once said at a Valpo anniversary gathering something like "I am honored to be a graduate from the Valparaiso of New England."
Actually what he said was: "I've read that Valparaiso has been referred to as the Harvard of the Midwest, and I thought to myself, how ironic? As I am a graduate of Harvard and we always thought of ourselves as the Valparaiso of New England!" (almost a direct quote--I was there and I remember it well!)
Fair enough. the engineering and basketball analogy is an interesting topic. I would almost guarantee the college of engineering is in better shape today than the basketball program. Also, the job opportunities for STEM, whether in industry or academic, are bright in an employees market.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 12, 2023, 07:47:43 PM
https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/1634967265971146752?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Does this tweet mean one of our current 13 scholarship players is leaving? Would seem so reading between the lines.
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Quote from: vu72 on March 13, 2023, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: historyman on March 13, 2023, 03:51:24 AMJohn Lithgow, Harvard grad, once said at a Valpo anniversary gathering something like "I am honored to be a graduate from the Valparaiso of New England."
Actually what he said was: "I've read that Valparaiso has been referred to as the Harvard of the Midwest, and I thought to myself, how ironic? As I am a graduate of Harvard and we always thought of ourselves as the Valparaiso of New England!" (almost a direct quote--I was there and I remember it well!)
Thank you, I couldn't find it and was not there but my relative told me about it.
Ya gotta love the enthusiasm of some of our posters saying a great VU player should leave the program, another potential transfer should not come to VU I am sure these comments do alot for our program. Welcome to "PR Grade 1". Sorry, you failed...let's try again.
Quote from: valpo64 on March 13, 2023, 11:19:25 AM
Ya gotta love the enthusiasm of some of our posters saying a great VU player should leave the program, another potential transfer should not come to VU I am sure these comments do alot for our program. Welcome to "PR Grade 1". Sorry, you failed...let's try again.
Well, if that's the case Flory Bidunga of Kokomo HS should come to Valpo. It's pretty close to his home. Great school and he can stay in the modern dorm of Beacon Hall. It won't matter what coach he plays for because he will dominate the MVC!!!! And he should stay for 4 years/5 years.
ESPN Basketball Recruiting - Player Rankings - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2024)
4.
Flory Bidunga (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/250645/flory-bidunga)[/size]
CKokomo, IN
Kokomo High School6'9''21093
64 - what should Valpo do so that these conversations do not exist? Or should we practice blind loyalty to the school, take our beatings and not critiquing when they are making poor decisions?
This program is a trainwreck. If you have stock in a company and you know it will tank soon, do you keep your stock because of company loyalty?
If Krikke has an opportunity to improve himself somewhere else, shouldn't we wish what's best for him?
I would rather have Dylan Haper 6'4" PG from Don Bosco than Flory from Kokomo.
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the "Harvard of the Midwest" description. Without looking up the history of the phrase, my recollection is that the term was used by one of the New York dailies during the days under Brown's leadership. As I recall, this was the period when enrollment, boosted by a calendar featuring 7-week terms, hit 5,000 and the comment may have related as much to the size of the school as the quality although it probably was a combination of both. Regardless, the University attracted attention of the New York press. I have seen the newspaper quote but don't recall if it is one of the histories published about Valpo or elsewhere.
Quote from: sliman on March 13, 2023, 01:01:30 PM
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the "Harvard of the Midwest" description. Without looking up the history of the phrase, my recollection is that the term was used by one of the New York dailies during the days under Brown's leadership. As I recall, this was the period when enrollment, boosted by a calendar featuring 7-week terms, hit 5,000 and the comment may have related as much to the size of the school as the quality although it probably was a combination of both. Regardless, the University attracted attention of the New York press. I have seen the newspaper quote but don't recall if it is one of the histories published about Valpo or elsewhere.
Quote from: sliman on March 13, 2023, 01:01:30 PMmay have related as much to the size of the school as the quality although it probably was a combination of both.
I think you are correct. As I recall, Valpo was second in enrollment at the time to only Harvard. It was before the state school's existed.
Quote from: tiny707 on March 13, 2023, 12:33:49 PM
I would rather have Dylan Haper 6'4" PG from Don Bosco than Flory from Kokomo.
Don Bosco (Dave Maravilla) will never send one of his guys to Valpo.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 13, 2023, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on March 13, 2023, 12:33:49 PM
I would rather have Dylan Haper 6'4" PG from Don Bosco than Flory from Kokomo.
Don Bosco (Dave Maravilla) will never send one of his guys to Valpo.
BINGO! Johnny, tell him what he's won!
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 13, 2023, 08:50:59 AM
Not sure where you are going. The engineering program at Valpo is solid with excellent professors who want to teach. there is commitment to the program.
The basketball program at Valpo on the other hand is sinking and has a lack of commitment. If Valpo doesn't make changes for the better, Krikke should consider making a move to improve himself and his opportunities. He has been here for 4 years admirably and has played great, if he left for his final year I would respect that.
USC - I probably seem like I'm picking on you. I don't mean it that way, but I have to take issue with this. Like you, I would respect Ben's decision to move on. Who wouldn't? He has been a great representative of Valparaiso University on and off the court for his entire collegiate career. Where I differ is in automatically assuming that his best interest would be served by moving on. How do we know that? He has 1 year of eligibility remaining, Unlike some student athletes, I think Ben is student first and athlete second. He may well love his student experience at Valpo. He may be looking forward to continuing his academic climb right where he is. Maybe he loves Matt and staff and wants to help the program turn the corner. Maybe he has his sights on some day coaching at Valpo. Maybe he would like to help a new coach turn the corner. Then consider that transferring to another university for 1 year is almost like starting the college experience all over again - unfamiliar surroundings, no established relationships, new bb program, new system, new players, new coach, new playbook, possible new role, unknown standing, etc., etc. Someone said he has a girlfriend at Valpo. Maybe he doesn't want to be separated from her for a year. Last, but not least, Matt (and Valpo in general), has professional bb connections in Europe and Australia. Maybe it's in Ben's best interest to stay and see where that leads. IMO these are all considerations that could favor staying right where he is. Again, who knows? I think we need to allow for that possibility and even permit ourselves to selfishly hope as fanatical Valpo fans that it turns out that way. wh
Valpo has reached out to G Myles Tate, transferring from Butler
Ok I can respect that - I am just blown away Lottich is keeping his job. Almost every D1 school would make change. I would love to hear the spin on this.
I will say that change is good for a person and makes one grow.
There's also a lot of moving parts. You have professors on sabbatical, doing visiting fellowships elsewhere, working on grant funded research or just moving into the private sector/changing jobs for a myriad of reasons. Also, universities are not immune from the recent turmoil in job changing and as a non PHD/mostly teaching university, there are also going to be young professors who want to move on to places that provide them the full research opportunities and time off from teaching loads that you're not going to get a place like Valpo. Churn is going to happen when things are in flux but not every person living is proof of something bad or wrong. You will always hopefully get the "lifers" those that settle in and love Valpo and what they do and don't leave. But you're also gong to get a lot of post doc people at the beginning of their career who leave after a few years.
Quote from: vu72 on March 13, 2023, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: sliman on March 13, 2023, 01:01:30 PM
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the "Harvard of the Midwest" description. Without looking up the history of the phrase, my recollection is that the term was used by one of the New York dailies during the days under Brown's leadership. As I recall, this was the period when enrollment, boosted by a calendar featuring 7-week terms, hit 5,000 and the comment may have related as much to the size of the school as the quality although it probably was a combination of both. Regardless, the University attracted attention of the New York press. I have seen the newspaper quote but don't recall if it is one of the histories published about Valpo or elsewhere.
Quote from: sliman on March 13, 2023, 01:01:30 PMmay have related as much to the size of the school as the quality although it probably was a combination of both.
I think you are correct. As I recall, Valpo was second in enrollment at the time to only Harvard. It was before the state school's existed.
On the "Harvard of the Midwest" tagline: Indeed, it comes from pre-Lutheran VU of the Brown & Kinsey era, during the first two decades of the last century. The school was run on a penny-pinching (in a good way, as I'll explain), proprietary business model, with few bells & whistles permitted. Interestingly, some of the Old Campus buildings constructed during that time would remain in active use until well into the century.
Students came from across the country and even from around the world to study at VU. Part of the attraction was the price. The no-frills approach to running a college allowed them to cap tuition. They also had an extensive work-study program for kids of modest means. Among the work options was tending to the school's farm & gardens, where food was grown to serve at the residence halls. The reputation of the school for delivering so much for so little even prompted some leading newspapers and "muckraking" magazines to send reporters to Valpo to see if this miracle of an inexpensive, quality education was too good to be true. The reporters would come away with much respect for VU's ability to pull it off.
For those interested in a closer look at VU's history, including its fascinating pre-Lutheran incarnation, I highly recommend the late Dr. Richard Baepler's history of VU, running up to the beginning of the new century,
Flame of Faith, Lamp of Learning (2002). (I just checked -- affordable copies are available on Amazon.) Dr. Baepler was deeply devoted to Valparaiso, but this is not an uncritical hagiography of an institution, as he addresses real challenges that VU has faced over the years. He also spends a lot of time on the student experience, which many university histories strangely do not.
UNI lands a former Valpo recruit. Transferring from Loyola
https://twitter.com/jacobhutsonn/status/1635652626179149828?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
Cam is in the portal.
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1635707343584231443?s=20
Quote from: David81 on March 14, 2023, 10:38:18 AMhagiography
You are indeed a scholar, David.
I had to look up this word.
hag·i·og·ra·phy
/ˌhaɡēˈäɡrəfē/
noun
the writing of the lives of saints.
biography that idealizes its subject.
plural noun: hagiographies
"a hagiography which is designed to serve a political agenda"
Quote from: humbleopinion on March 14, 2023, 02:44:16 PM
Cam is in the portal.
Good luck to Cameron. I truly hope he grows in his maturity and learns what it takes to be a Div. I college basketball player.
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on March 14, 2023, 03:09:11 PM
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1635707343584231443?s=20
An announcement of our newest D-3 acquisition with 1 year of eligibility remaining to follow shortly. :thumbsup:
Didn't want to start a whole new thread for this but our signee, 6'9" Zane Doughty is getting some great recognition!
Just named Marion County Player of the Year. His Ben Davis team remains undefeated and is playing in the Big School Semi-State Saturday.
Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2023, 09:44:29 AM
Didn't want to start a whole new thread for this but our signee, 6'9" Zane Doughty is getting some great recognition!
Just named Marion County Player of the Year. His Ben Davis team remains undefeated and is playing in the Big School Semi-State Saturday.
You can watch the Ben Davis vs Bloomington North game here Saturday, March 18, 2023 10:00 am CDT / 11:00 am EDT
https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=545137 (https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=545137)
It would be great to get a Harvard transfer.
So I can live in San Diego, Santa Barbara? Or live in Valparaiso from Sept-May?
I am sure there are other factors though.
Had high hopes for Cam. He seemed to be a good 3 point and overall scorer, based on his high school career and the (20 minutes or so) of playing time at Valpo. Now we will never know.
What evidence do folks have that Cam has demonstrated a need to mature? Honest question on my behalf.
Quote from: Dr. T on March 15, 2023, 10:12:00 PM
What evidence do folks have that Cam has demonstrated a need to mature? Honest question on my behalf.
My brother heard through the grapevine that Cam was not working hard in practices. Therefore he played very little.
I'm not going to lie, I'm really surprised Cam's never took off at Valpo. There was a lot of hype when he came in. Wouldn't shock me if he really had a great college career in a new environment.
Quote from: historyman on March 14, 2023, 10:34:59 PM
Quote from: David81 on March 14, 2023, 10:38:18 AMhagiography
You are indeed a scholar, David.
I had to look up this word.
hag·i·og·ra·phy
/ˌhaɡēˈäɡrəfē/
noun
the writing of the lives of saints.
biography that idealizes its subject.
plural noun: hagiographies
"a hagiography which is designed to serve a political agenda"
Historyman, I stand guilty of my own geekdom. I will not contest any suspension of my posting privileges. 🤓
There are now over 500 division one men's basketball players who have entered the portal. Cam is the only Beacon to submit his intent.
This is pure speculation, but I would surmise that none of the others have the intention of transferring. I presume that the coaching staff hasn't conducted end-of-season interviews, and after those interviews, we'll see more names in the portal. I've got to believe that it's evident to the staff that the roster is filled with players that cannot contribute nor have the potential to contribute at the MVC level.
The only exception would be Ben -- I would presume that he won't make any decision until he is evaluated by the NBA.
I think Krikke's NBA evaluation will be brief - maybe D league at best. I see him competing in a Euro league.
Quote from: humbleopinion on March 17, 2023, 06:40:59 AM
There are now over 500 division one men's basketball players who have entered the portal. Cam is the only Beacon to submit his intent.
This is pure speculation, but I would surmise that none of the others have the intention of transferring. I presume that the coaching staff hasn't conducted end-of-season interviews, and after those interviews, we'll see more names in the portal. I've got to believe that it's evident to the staff that the roster is filled with players that cannot contribute nor have the potential to contribute at the MVC level.
The only exception would be Ben -- I would presume that he won't make any decision until he is evaluated by the NBA.
So....regardless of who is coaching next season, is the difference between potential mediocrity and a total collapse hinging on whether Krikke stays for another year? Is it that bad???? 😢
Quote from: David81 on March 17, 2023, 11:31:06 PMSo....regardless of who is coaching next season, is the difference between potential mediocrity and a total collapse hinging on whether Krikke stays for another year? Is it that bad? 😢
With the transfer portal it doesn't have to be but I do think that Lottich has proven in the past few seasons that his working of the transfer portal has not "worked" all that well.
Quote from: historyman on March 18, 2023, 01:20:43 AM
Quote from: David81 on March 17, 2023, 11:31:06 PMSo....regardless of who is coaching next season, is the difference between potential mediocrity and a total collapse hinging on whether Krikke stays for another year? Is it that bad? 😢
With the transfer portal it doesn't have to be but I do think that Lottich has proven in the past few seasons that his working of the transfer portal has not "worked" all that well.
It is highly unlikely that a player from the transer portal will transfer to a school like Valpo. Yes, many transfer for more minutes, but the really good talent in the pool is going to want to help fill in a gap at a high major school. The picking will be slim and the talent won't be all that good. In desperation, Lottich will probably end up getting problem children who end up not being all that good, or a player who had problems with his prior coach who is happy to see him go. But transfers like Carter from Northern Iowa don't want to come to a low mid-major program. He found Missouri. And he's good. I saw him play when AJ was out for awhile. He was dominant. But Valpo? Not a chance for guys like him, ESPECIALLY NOW.
The are spots on the roster for Valpo which need a transferring out in order to be replaced by whoever the coach is.....at this point likely Lottich. The fact that Preston Ruedinger is not only on the roster but starting while he was for a time is a fairly negative comment on the makeup of the roster in a "we don't have someone better than him?" fashion. That's just one example.
Keyondre Young will be in the Big East next year, with three years of eligibility left, he knew his worth
Maybe Valpo should get some experienced D2 transfers - it worked for FDU.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 19, 2023, 08:31:57 AM
Maybe Valpo should get some experienced D2 transfers - it worked for FDU.
I've been reminding us how Kevion Taylor and Nick Edwards both came out of D2. Imagine how good they might've been with an added year, Taylor as a scorer with excellent 3 pt shooting, and Edwards as a passer and defender while (please!) keeping his offensive game more within his wheelhouse. Both have demonstrated that top D2 success can translate into D1 starter/rotation quality contributions.
That alone won't take Valpo to the top of the MVC, but it can be a piece of the puzzle.
Well, decent coaching would help, too.
Maybe Ben will come back knowing he won't have to deal with Rienk Mast, who has entered the portal.
Maybe it's because Valpo has been stung by the transfer bug the last few years, but it's a little surprising to see only one player entering the transfer portal from Valpo's 22-23 Team.
Fingers crossed Krikke stays. I'm wondering when his decision will be finalized and announced. I'm sure he is getting flooding with Coaches trying to contact him through indirect channels behind the scenes trying to recruit him right now.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 21, 2023, 10:54:21 AM
Maybe it's because Valpo has been stung by the transfer bug the last few years, but it's a little surprising to see only one player entering the transfer portal from Valpo's 22-23 Team.
Fingers crossed Krikke stays. I'm wondering when his decision will be finalized and announced. I'm sure he is getting flooding with Coaches trying to contact him through indirect channels behind the scenes trying to recruit him right now.
I don't know why they wouldn't be calling on him. They can make a much better argument for improving his game and do it while winning. Ben would be a great gap filler for a much better team and facilities. The exposure he will get at a bigger, better school would be good enough reason for transferring.
If we pick up Drake transfer Okay Djamgouz(Toronto, CA) and Ben stays our starting five could be all Canadians..
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 21, 2023, 11:42:24 AMQuote from: VU2014 on March 21, 2023, 10:54:21 AMMaybe it's because Valpo has been stung by the transfer bug the last few years, but it's a little surprising to see only one player entering the transfer portal from Valpo's 22-23 Team. Fingers crossed Krikke stays. I'm wondering when his decision will be finalized and announced. I'm sure he is getting flooding with Coaches trying to contact him through indirect channels behind the scenes trying to recruit him right now.
I don't know why they wouldn't be calling on him. They can make a much better argument for improving his game and do it while winning. Ben would be a great gap filler for a much better team and facilities. The exposure he will get at a bigger, better school would be good enough reason for transferring.
I've thought a good fit for Krikke would be as a one year replacement for Drew Timme at Gonzaga.
Quote from: tiny707 on March 21, 2023, 11:52:30 AM
If we pick up Drake transfer Okay Djamgouz(Toronto, CA) and Ben stays our starting five could be all Canadians..
Dot is practicing her Canadian National Anthem a lot more as of late. Maybe the crowd could learn it and join in more. It's not too difficult. :-)
Quote from: JD24 on March 21, 2023, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 21, 2023, 11:42:24 AMQuote from: VU2014 on March 21, 2023, 10:54:21 AMMaybe it's because Valpo has been stung by the transfer bug the last few years, but it's a little surprising to see only one player entering the transfer portal from Valpo's 22-23 Team. Fingers crossed Krikke stays. I'm wondering when his decision will be finalized and announced. I'm sure he is getting flooding with Coaches trying to contact him through indirect channels behind the scenes trying to recruit him right now.
I don't know why they wouldn't be calling on him. They can make a much better argument for improving his game and do it while winning. Ben would be a great gap filler for a much better team and facilities. The exposure he will get at a bigger, better school would be good enough reason for transferring.
I've thought a good fit for Krikke would be as a one year replacement for Drew Timme at Gonzaga.
Interesting. I would also think that Saint Mary's could be a good fit.
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 21, 2023, 12:10:45 PMInteresting. I would also think that Saint Mary's could be a good fit.
Crikey, Krikke is NOT Australian! :o
Krikke is kind of like a poor man's Drew Timme. I wish him the best.
Quote from: historyman on March 21, 2023, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 21, 2023, 12:10:45 PMInteresting. I would also think that Saint Mary's could be a good fit.
Crikey, Krikke is NOT Australian! :o
Niether is the freshman stud Aidan Mahaney who plays for St. Mary's.
https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/aidan-mahaney/3938
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 21, 2023, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: historyman on March 21, 2023, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 21, 2023, 12:10:45 PMInteresting. I would also think that Saint Mary's could be a good fit.
Crikey, Krikke is NOT Australian! :o
Niether is the freshman stud Aidan Mahaney who plays for St. Mary's.
https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/aidan-mahaney/3938
Yes, but "Crikey, Krikke" is fun to say.
If Valpo had an all Canadian lineup, could Tim Horton's build a arena for us? Could Don Cherry do the ceremonial opening tip?
Would LaBatts and Molson be served at the ARC?
Poutine as well as regular fries. 😳
Change the mascot to a Canadian mountie. Talk about a Beacon of virtue!
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Who do you like in the transfer portal for the Cam spot? Actually, Okay Djamgouz from Drake would be an excellent pick up. Great shooter. We like Canadians too.
Quote from: tiny707 on March 22, 2023, 07:33:47 AM
Who do you like in the transfer portal for the Cam spot? Actually, Okay Djamgouz from Drake would be an excellent pick up. Great shooter. We like Canadians too.
Anybody who can actually shoot it! Please, just not another 7 footer who rides the pines!
It appears that there will be a boatload of St. John's available soon.
Rick Pitino says most St John's players likely won't return next season: 'Not a good fit for me'
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/rick-pitino-most-st-johns-players-wont-be-on-team-next-season
My kind of coach:
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1638219124575977479?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638219124575977479%7Ctwgr%5E3e944d10e77105e1d79828dbc66ff693987ddfa0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fsports%2Frick-pitino-most-st-johns-players-wont-be-on-team-next-season
Huh. I hear that and feel sorry for the student athletes whose lives and careers (both academic and basketball) have been upended through no fault of their own. And to be honest, they will not all end up in a better place or position. The system favors millionaire coaches on the backs of student athletes.
Welcome to major D1 sports. Same thing happening with Coach Prime Sanders at Colorado, where he said most of them would not be around. Then again, they were 1-11 last year...
Just because the system is what it is doesn't make it right, good, or ethical.
https://twitter.com/lebronstein/status/1638559029340282883
You can make a strong argument that if Krikke decides to stay in College that Valpo is a pretty good spot for him.
Hear me out.
Hands down, Ben will the feature and center piece of the Team next season. If he were to transfer, especially to a power 5 program, that likely would not be the case for him. As he has pro potential in Every league other than the NBA it's extremely important to show case ever aspect of his game.
He's familiar with his teammates and he knows how the coaching staff will use him. No where else can offer that.
Additionally, say what you will about Lottich, but Coach Gore is undeniably a hell of a big man Coach. Coach Gore is proven Coach at Developing Big Men and their game.
I guess I don't understand the whole scholarship thing. I'm under the impression that it is a year to year thing--for either party. If the coach wants to go in a different direction, why should he be judged as unethical? If the player leaves--God knows that never happens ::)--no one claims that they are unethical by taking a free year of tuition etc and then moving on.
I personally don't understand why we bring a player in, give him a first rate education, and get basically nothing in return. As an example, (I certainly am not taking shots at the person here, just trying to understand the unethical comments). Emil (and maybe not a great example because of his health issues), but, nonetheless, he has scored a total of 30 points in four years. At the same time he has gained a degree in civil engineering from one of the top undergrad engineering schools in the US. Would we be unethical if we told him the type of player we were now looking for wasn't a 6'10" back to the basket guy but rather a 6'5" guy who could shoot from beyond the 3. Just wondering...
VU72, happens all the time. Coaches suggest to players to transfer as they won't get much playing time. Wouldn't be surprised if they suggested that to Cam. May have suggested to Emil but he said no because he wanted his Civil Engineering degree. I know there were some articles about Chris Collins pressing a player to transfer awhile back. Valpo is pretty ethical. They may suggest but not pressure a player to transfer.
Agree VU2014. I think at this point Krikke is staying. In fact, he may even be recruiting a potential transfer for the open spot we have. We will see.
You are mistaken about what it takes to be a valuable player on a team. The team has to run practices and someone has to play the other team. The product on the court is not only a product of the players on the court. That kid did the equivalent of a full time job in addition to his studies in time put in to doing what was asked of him to help the team.
The issue is if the player on scholarship that is basically not wanted will go 100 percent for the team or if he is dead weight. We are in the "me" generation. It's a tough situation, but maybe there's something Valpo can do if he is a very good student.
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 22, 2023, 12:41:26 PM
https://twitter.com/lebronstein/status/1638559029340282883
SC, I'm really surprised you didn't react to this post. ???
NWMS got knocked out in the second round this year of NCAA D-II. That's why he's free to look around. Indiana Wesleyan also lost in the second round of the NAIAs.
Quote from: vu72 on March 22, 2023, 01:32:55 PMI personally don't understand why we bring a player in, give him a first rate education, and get basically nothing in return. As an example, (I certainly am not taking shots at the person here, just trying to understand the unethical comments). Emil (and maybe not a great example because of his health issues), but, nonetheless, he has scored a total of 30 points in four years. At the same time he has gained a degree in civil engineering from one of the top undergrad engineering schools in the US. Would we be unethical if we told him the type of player we were now looking for wasn't a 6'10" back to the basket guy but rather a 6'5" guy who could shoot from beyond the 3. Just wondering...
Of course, he could have stayed in Denmark and gotten his degree for free.
62 - nice catch! Yes, NWMSU lost early in a big upset. McCullum is looking for the right fit, and SUNY Buffalo has a talent pool to build something. He can't accomplish much more at NWMSU, but he likes his job.
I watched the FDU- FAU game, which was kind of painful to watch compared regarding game quality compared to other matchups in the second round. The announcer, I think it was Steve Lappas, mentioned the key Division 2 transfers who joined FDU with the coach in a big turnaround from a 4-22 season. He mentioned higher level D2 players can play in lower level D1. I would also certainly say that with coaches, and there are many D2 schools that can defeat and in some cases whoop D1 teams.
If you follow Verbal Commits on twitter you will see that Valpo has been very busy contacting potential transfers. No guarantee we get anyone but we are certainly looking.
Well Krikke is for sure transferring now with the Matt Lottich firing.
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 23, 2023, 04:17:10 PM
If you follow Verbal Commits on twitter you will see that Valpo has been very busy contacting potential transfers. No guarantee we get anyone but we are certainly looking.
This post didn't age well!
1051 transfers in and (knock on wood) Valpo, at two, is doing better than many in the Valley. Evansville is in free fall with 8, while Belmont and UIC sit with 4. Only SIU is doing better with only one while 5 other teams have 3. I noticed that even Bryce losses key guys as a kid who scored 16 against Gonzaga is now in the portal.
Quote from: vu72 on March 28, 2023, 11:15:13 AM
1051 transfers in and (knock on wood) Valpo, at two, is doing better than many in the Valley. Evansville is in free fall with 8, while Belmont and UIC sit with 4. Only SIU is doing better with only one while 5 other teams have 3. I noticed that even Bryce losses key guys as a kid who scored 16 against Gonzaga is now in the portal.
The amount of talent overhaul we need, is stark. Personally I never want people to transfer, but guys C Barret & others are borderline or questionable MVC caliber talent. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the less talented guys leave for the portal.
Obviously you want to keep some glue guys and there is a need for role players, but I'm not opposed the coaches getting grad transfers to fill out the roster for this upcoming season.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 28, 2023, 12:09:37 PMQuote from: vu72 on March 28, 2023, 11:15:13 AM1051 transfers in and (knock on wood) Valpo, at two, is doing better than many in the Valley. Evansville is in free fall with 8, while Belmont and UIC sit with 4. Only SIU is doing better with only one while 5 other teams have 3. I noticed that even Bryce losses key guys as a kid who scored 16 against Gonzaga is now in the portal.
The amount of talent overhaul we need, is stark. Personally I never want people to transfer, but guys C Barret & others are borderline or questionable MVC caliber talent. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the less talented guys leave for the portal. Obviously you want to keep some glue guys and there is a need for role players, but I'm not opposed the coaches getting grad transfers to fill out the roster for this upcoming season.
With the assumption that Krikke leaves and King is out of eligibility, the entire roster can leave as far as I'm concerned. There's little there aside from the "occasional flash" guys which will be available in the portal anyway. There should be no concern about "jelling" because the current bunch left needs more than to simply jell.
Assuming Krikke is gone, among the top returning players (as of now), only Nelson showed clear promise, however erratic, of growing into a quality starter for a winning team. The rest are either question marks, lesser rotation/role players, or pure roster depth. It wouldn't hurt if any random grouping of 3-4 guys currently on the roster entered the portal.
Next year's group could look like an expansion team, but without a 1st round pick to start things off. That said, if the HC choice is a good one, then a talented upperclassman buried deep at the end of a P5 bench, a standout D2 player looking for that D1 chance to shine, or a super-promising JC guy who wants to play right away, should consider Valpo.
Ragland apparently didn't like the roster he inherited as Evansville has nine in the portal.
Marcus Domask is in the portal! The Valley is going to look very deferent next year with four of the six first teamers departing, so far!
I see Marcus Domask going to Wisconsin. They need shooters desperately.
Hmmm.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1641525800406065154?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
Hey, can I get some insights from those of you who follow all levels of college hoops? I'm looking at the Indiana Wesleyan 2022-23 roster (Greg Tonagel's NAIA school), and their roster includes a sprinkling of big men, including a 7-footer who started and led the team in scoring.
https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23 (https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23)
How close are the best NAIA players to D1 caliber? Are we talking mega light years difference -- as in Not Even Close -- or possibly something close to standout D2 players?
https://twitter.com/hardwiredsports/status/1641590375335837699
Quote from: David81 on March 30, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
Hey, can I get some insights from those of you who follow all levels of college hoops? I'm looking at the Indiana Wesleyan 2022-23 roster (Greg Tonagel's NAIA school), and their roster includes a sprinkling of big men, including a 7-footer who started and led the team in scoring.
https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23 (https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23)
How close are the best NAIA players to D1 caliber? Are we talking mega light years difference -- as in Not Even Close -- or possibly something close to standout D2 players?
Indiana Wesleyan has had some really good players under Tonagel. Kyle Mangas from Warsaw was the best he's had, and he definitely could've been a rotation guy at Valpo. As a whole, though, I wouldn't think that there are more than 1-2 players on that roster capable of seeing a Division I rotation.
There is a report out that New St. John's Coach, Rick Pitino said he could bring in as many as 8 new players for next season as the number of current players hit the portal. I think that is what you call a fresh start.
He's adopting the Coach Prime philosophy. :lol:
Quote from: David81 on March 30, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
Hey, can I get some insights from those of you who follow all levels of college hoops? I'm looking at the Indiana Wesleyan 2022-23 roster (Greg Tonagel's NAIA school), and their roster includes a sprinkling of big men, including a 7-footer who started and led the team in scoring.
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https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23 (https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23)
How close are the best NAIA players to D1 caliber? Are we talking mega light years difference -- as in Not Even Close -- or possibly something close to standout D2 players?
In my time as an NAIA coach, we had several players that could have started for 70% of DI teams and many others that could have been on DI rosters. In many cases there were circumstances, including grades, mental health, legal, homesickness and other serious issues that caused a DI to not offer a scholarship or release a player. Examples:
Young man, who as a freshman at a DII school, was the leading scorer when his team beat a P5 team in an exhibition game. Got caught up in a legal issue and was accused of stealing at this school. Head coach told us that he believed this young man was not involved but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 6'4" with a Steph Curry type build, best pure shooter I have personally coached. Was a model citizen for us and graduated with a business degree. Went on to be the MVP of a second tier European League then moved up and had a very good career in the German A league.
Player that was on Ohio First Team as a senior, second in voting to Lebron James for Ohio Mr. Baskketball, had a full ride to USC but never made it on the roster because he came back home after a short time in California. Went JUCO in Ohio and was the league MVP, but stopped going to class after the BB season. We agreed to give him a second chance but he had to sit a year to get his credits straighten out. Played one season with us and was our leading scorer and first team all conference. Verbally abused a professor after receiving a lower than expected grade in a class and was released from the school. He went on to play two years at another NAIA program and played in Europe.
Major Indianapolis HS player that was released by a P5 team because of some behavior issues. Head Coach (initials BP) vouched for him and hoped that he could get himself straightened out closer to home with the hope of returning to his team. Was a very strong physical player with tons of potential.... however, his behavior issues turned out to be a drug problem.
Super athletic player who I believe had a depression problem, played according to his mood. One game he was an all american, disappeared completely the next game. Went on to play in the G-League for a couple of years and then professionally around the world in countries such as Israel, Thailand, Hong Kong & throughout China. Was a super star in Hong Kong and now has a basketball academy there.
So to answer your question, there are DI players at the NAIA level and Greg has had his share of them.
Quote from: FWalum on March 31, 2023, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: David81 on March 30, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
Hey, can I get some insights from those of you who follow all levels of college hoops? I'm looking at the Indiana Wesleyan 2022-23 roster (Greg Tonagel's NAIA school), and their roster includes a sprinkling of big men, including a 7-footer who started and led the team in scoring.
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https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23 (https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23)
How close are the best NAIA players to D1 caliber? Are we talking mega light years difference -- as in Not Even Close -- or possibly something close to standout D2 players?
In my time as an NAIA coach, we had several players that could have started for 70% of DI teams and many others that could have been on DI rosters. In many cases there were circumstances, including grades, mental health, legal, homesickness and other serious issues that caused a DI to not offer a scholarship or release a player. Examples:
Young man, who as a freshman at a DII school, was the leading scorer when his team beat a P5 team in an exhibition game. Got caught up in a legal issue and was accused of stealing at this school. Head coach told us that he believed this young man was not involved but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 6'4" with a Steph Curry type build, best pure shooter I have personally coached. Was a model citizen for us and graduated with a business degree. Went on to be the MVP of a second tier European League then moved up and had a very good career in the German A league.
Player that was on Ohio First Team as a senior, second in voting to Lebron James for Ohio Mr. Baskketball, had a full ride to USC but never made it on the roster because he came back home after a short time in California. Went JUCO in Ohio and was the league MVP, but stopped going to class after the BB season. We agreed to give him a second chance but he had to sit a year to get his credits straighten out. Played one season with us and was our leading scorer and first team all conference. Verbally abused a professor after receiving a lower than expected grade in a class and was released from the school. He went on to play two years at another NAIA program and played in Europe.
Major Indianapolis HS player that was released by a P5 team because of some behavior issues. Head Coach (initials BP) vouched for him and hoped that he could get himself straightened out closer to home with the hope of returning to his team. Was a very strong physical player with tons of potential.... however, his behavior issues turned out to be a drug problem.
Super athletic player who I believe had a depression problem, played according to his mood. One game he was an all american, disappeared completely the next game. Went on to play in the G-League for a couple of years and then professionally around the world in countries such as Israel, Thailand, Hong Kong & throughout China. Was a super star in Hong Kong and now has a basketball academy there.
So to answer your question, there are DI players at the NAIA level and Greg has had his share of them.
Thanks very much for that response, FWalum.
So...in a fair number of instances, we're talking individual circumstances and issues more than talent as the differences between the college level at which a young man might be playing.
I don't know what the transfer rules are between NAIA and NCAA D1, but it does sound as if a mid-major like VU could discover some diamonds in the rough at NAIA schools.
Quote from: FWalum on March 31, 2023, 01:49:39 PMQuote from: David81 on March 30, 2023, 06:41:55 PMHey, can I get some insights from those of you who follow all levels of college hoops? I'm looking at the Indiana Wesleyan 2022-23 roster (Greg Tonagel's NAIA school), and their roster includes a sprinkling of big men, including a 7-footer who started and led the team in scoring. [/q][/q]
https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23 (https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23) How close are the best NAIA players to D1 caliber? Are we talking mega light years difference -- as in Not Even Close -- or possibly something close to standout D2 players? In my time as an NAIA coach, we had several players that could have started for 70% of DI teams and many others that could have been on DI rosters. In many cases there were circumstances, including grades, mental health, legal, homesickness and other serious issues that caused a DI to not offer a scholarship or release a player. Examples: Young man, who as a freshman at a DII school, was the leading scorer when his team beat a P5 team in an exhibition game. Got caught up in a legal issue and was accused of stealing at this school. Head coach told us that he believed this young man was not involved but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 6'4" with a Steph Curry type build, best pure shooter I have personally coached. Was a model citizen for us and graduated with a business degree. Went on to be the MVP of a second tier European League then moved up and had a very good career in the German A league. Player that was on Ohio First Team as a senior, second in voting to Lebron James for Ohio Mr. Baskketball, had a full ride to USC but never made it on the roster because he came back home after a short time in California. Went JUCO in Ohio and was the league MVP, but stopped going to class after the BB season. We agreed to give him a second chance but he had to sit a year to get his credits straighten out. Played one season with us and was our leading scorer and first team all conference. Verbally abused a professor after receiving a lower than expected grade in a class and was released from the school. He went on to play two years at another NAIA program and played in Europe. Major Indianapolis HS player that was released by a P5 team because of some behavior issues. Head Coach (initials BP) vouched for him and hoped that he could get himself straightened out closer to home with the hope of returning to his team. Was a very strong physical player with tons of potential.... however, his behavior issues turned out to be a drug problem. Super athletic player who I believe had a depression problem, played according to his mood. One game he was an all american, disappeared completely the next game. Went on to play in the G-League for a couple of years and then professionally around the world in countries such as Israel, Thailand, Hong Kong & throughout China. Was a super star in Hong Kong and now has a basketball academy there. So to answer your question, there are DI players at the NAIA level and Greg has had his share of them.
Very nice answer.
But also points out that players in these circumstances wouldn't be helpful to Valpo.
Quote from: JD24 on March 31, 2023, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: FWalum on March 31, 2023, 01:49:39 PMQuote from: David81 on March 30, 2023, 06:41:55 PMHey, can I get some insights from those of you who follow all levels of college hoops? I'm looking at the Indiana Wesleyan 2022-23 roster (Greg Tonagel's NAIA school), and their roster includes a sprinkling of big men, including a 7-footer who started and led the team in scoring. [/q][/q]
https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23 (https://iwuwildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23) How close are the best NAIA players to D1 caliber? Are we talking mega light years difference -- as in Not Even Close -- or possibly something close to standout D2 players? In my time as an NAIA coach, we had several players that could have started for 70% of DI teams and many others that could have been on DI rosters. In many cases there were circumstances, including grades, mental health, legal, homesickness and other serious issues that caused a DI to not offer a scholarship or release a player. Examples: Young man, who as a freshman at a DII school, was the leading scorer when his team beat a P5 team in an exhibition game. Got caught up in a legal issue and was accused of stealing at this school. Head coach told us that he believed this young man was not involved but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 6'4" with a Steph Curry type build, best pure shooter I have personally coached. Was a model citizen for us and graduated with a business degree. Went on to be the MVP of a second tier European League then moved up and had a very good career in the German A league. Player that was on Ohio First Team as a senior, second in voting to Lebron James for Ohio Mr. Baskketball, had a full ride to USC but never made it on the roster because he came back home after a short time in California. Went JUCO in Ohio and was the league MVP, but stopped going to class after the BB season. We agreed to give him a second chance but he had to sit a year to get his credits straighten out. Played one season with us and was our leading scorer and first team all conference. Verbally abused a professor after receiving a lower than expected grade in a class and was released from the school. He went on to play two years at another NAIA program and played in Europe. Major Indianapolis HS player that was released by a P5 team because of some behavior issues. Head Coach (initials BP) vouched for him and hoped that he could get himself straightened out closer to home with the hope of returning to his team. Was a very strong physical player with tons of potential.... however, his behavior issues turned out to be a drug problem. Super athletic player who I believe had a depression problem, played according to his mood. One game he was an all american, disappeared completely the next game. Went on to play in the G-League for a couple of years and then professionally around the world in countries such as Israel, Thailand, Hong Kong & throughout China. Was a super star in Hong Kong and now has a basketball academy there. So to answer your question, there are DI players at the NAIA level and Greg has had his share of them.
Very nice answer.
But also points out that players in these circumstances wouldn't be helpful to Valpo.
This is really the crux of the matter. There are many talented players out there. Recruiting is very subjective when it come to talent, but JD24 is right to say that they wouldn't be helpful to Valpo because the fit isn't there. DI talent moves down to NAIA all the time, and I mean really talented players, but it rarely goes back the other way. Remember Clay Yeo? Came in with perhaps the most talented class in VU history. Was the best outside shot on that team, shooting 45.5% from 3. Never thought he would transfer back to NAIA but it just wasn't the right fit. There is some flaw either of the players making or just happenstance.
Add Preston to the transfer portal.
Quote from: tiny707 on April 03, 2023, 01:04:52 PM
Add Preston to the transfer portal.
Makes sense. If the highly recruited point from Canada actually shows up and, given DeAverio added year of experience, Preston's playing time would be limited.
Quote from: vu72 on April 03, 2023, 01:11:26 PMQuote from: tiny707 on April 03, 2023, 01:04:52 PMAdd Preston to the transfer portal.
Makes sense. If the highly recruited point from Canada actually shows up and, given DeAverio added year of experience, Preston's playing time would be limited.
It should be non existent.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1643003459149471745
I don't know if this is a dumb question or not, but....
...how long does VU have to make its decision before the players who might help us have already been snatched up from the transfer portal?
Quote from: David81 on April 03, 2023, 06:10:34 PM
I don't know if this is a dumb question or not, but....
...how long does VU have to make its decision before the players who might help us have already been snatched up from the transfer portal?
As of today there are over 1200 in the portal, adding more every day. There will plenty to choose from.
Quote from: David81 on April 03, 2023, 06:10:34 PM
I don't know if this is a dumb question or not, but....
...how long does VU have to make its decision before the players who might help us have already been snatched up from the transfer portal?
Not to sound flippant, but yesterday is how long we have before SOME of the players who could have helped us have either already been snatched up or are being actively recruited by other programs. Obviously, there are still players in the portal, but like choosing up sides for a pickup bb game - the best players are chosen first. In the meantime, we have no head coach and presumably no assistants. IMO the best outcome at this point is get someone from D-1 that players love and want to come with.
Quote from: tiny707 on April 03, 2023, 01:04:52 PM
Add Preston to the transfer portal.
Where did you see this? I only see two Valpo players listed in portal- Cam and Ben
Quote from: tjjvalpo on April 03, 2023, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on April 03, 2023, 01:04:52 PM
Add Preston to the transfer portal.
Where did you see this? I only see two Valpo players listed in portal- Cam and Ben
https://twitter.com/RuedingerP/status/1642948569479905284?s=20
Preston Ruedinger is in the transfer portal
Quote from: wh on April 03, 2023, 06:41:24 PM
Quote from: David81 on April 03, 2023, 06:10:34 PM
I don't know if this is a dumb question or not, but....
...how long does VU have to make its decision before the players who might help us have already been snatched up from the transfer portal?
Not to sound flippant, but yesterday is how long we have before SOME of the players who could have helped us have either already been snatched up or are being actively recruited by other programs. Obviously, there are still players in the portal, but like choosing up sides for a pickup bb game - the best players are chosen first. In the meantime, we have no head coach and presumably no assistants. IMO the best outcome at this point is get someone from D-1 that players love and want to come with.
Well, that goes to why I asked. Is there a point at which it may be too late? When I read Paul Oren's update this morning reporting that 43 of 54 head coaching vacancies were now filled, it means that among those 43, all but the most roster-blessed new guys are furiously reviewing names in the portal.
If the new HC finishes his first season with a .500 record or above, then he deserves a ticker-tape parade. 👍🤞💪
Add Maximus Nelson to the transfer portal.
we need to get this new coach hired fast so we can start rebuilding!
A ton of players transferring is NO different than the last 6 years. None of this is surprising or upsetting.
We will be ok and change will be good!
Quote from: tiny707 on April 04, 2023, 12:38:37 PM
Add Maximus Nelson to the transfer portal.
That puts Valpo at the average number of transfers for Valley teams. Same number as Illinois State, Belmont, UIC amd Bradley and less than Indiana State and Murray State and WAY less than Evansville. At least we'll have a completely new starting lineup! The last one wasn't exactly tearing it up!
Quote from: vu72 on April 04, 2023, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on April 04, 2023, 12:38:37 PM
Add Maximus Nelson to the transfer portal.
That puts Valpo at the average number of transfers for Valley teams. Same number as Illinois State, Belmont, UIC amd Bradley and less than Indiana State and Murray State and WAY less than Evansville. At least we'll have a completely new starting lineup! The last one wasn't exactly tearing it up!
Bingo. Let the new coach bring in an entirely new roster for all I care.
Hopefully, Bayu and Palm stay. They could both play key roles next year.
Quote from: tiny707 on April 04, 2023, 12:38:37 PM
Add Maximus Nelson to the transfer portal.
The 2023-24 roster will basically be a gut rehab rebuilding job.
It will give us plenty to talk about here. ;)
Just cause they're in it doesn't mean they'll leave but better to get in now and figure out what your options are than wait another week for a coach who may or may not have a scheme that fits your playing style.
Quote from: wh on April 04, 2023, 01:56:20 PM
Hopefully, Bayu and Palm stay. They could both play key roles next year.
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No players. No coaches. Has VU basketball ever been in limbo this bad?
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
No players. No coaches. Has VU basketball ever been in limbo this bad?
Yes it was called the Rochlitz era!
you could also say that during the Smith era, but players got booted or left during the season.
Rumor is now confirmed. It appears that Brandon Newman has entered the transfer portal. Is there any possibility he could come back to the region if we can get a decent coach in place quickly?
Newman is a very good player. Hustles like Jake, is athletic, and provides a spark plug for any team he's on. Painter underused him and when the freshman Smith got in trouble when the press was on, they almost lost several games from his turnovers. Newman should have replaced him in those situations.
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 05, 2023, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
No players. No coaches. Has VU basketball ever been in limbo this bad?
Yes it was called the Rochlitz era!
I was at VU during the Rochlitz years. Expectations were modest, of course. But between some solid local signees and talented transfers, by the late 70s/early 80s, VU could field a respectable basketball team.
Quote from: David81 on April 05, 2023, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 05, 2023, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
No players. No coaches. Has VU basketball ever been in limbo this bad?
Yes it was called the Rochlitz era!
I was at VU during the Rochlitz years. Expectations were modest, of course. But between some solid local signees and talented transfers, by the late 70s/early 80s, VU could field a respectable basketball team.
That was Tom Smith. Rochlitz was not very good and we spent basically nothing.
I see Newman going to Notre Dame with his old coach.
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 05, 2023, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: David81 on April 05, 2023, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 05, 2023, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
No players. No coaches. Has VU basketball ever been in limbo this bad?
Yes it was called the Rochlitz era!
I was at VU during the Rochlitz years. Expectations were modest, of course. But between some solid local signees and talented transfers, by the late 70s/early 80s, VU could field a respectable basketball team.
That was Tom Smith. Rochlitz was not very good and we spent basically nothing.
Actually, during the time I was there, there was a transition. But during Rochlitz's tenure, some very decent players joined the team....Morris Smith, Jeff Simmons, Julian Hudson, Kendall Cobb, a few others. The W-L record wasn't great, but the team was much more competitive.
Quote from: tiny707 on April 05, 2023, 06:34:13 PM
I see Newman going to Notre Dame with his old coach.
The old Martin route. It's becoming a Valpo HS tradition.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 05, 2023, 05:31:39 PM
Newman is a very good player. Hustles like Jake, is athletic, and provides a spark plug for any team he's on. Painter underused him and when the freshman Smith got in trouble when the press was on, they almost lost several games from his turnovers. Newman should have replaced him in those situations.
Newman isn't a good ball handler. He can shoot it, but he's not capable of handling the ball much.
As pointed out, entering the transfer portal does not automatically equate to players leaving. Why not enter the transfer portal? What's the worst that can happen from the player's perspective? If they're of any D-1 caliber, they'll get some options on the table to leave and could end up somewhere that's a better fit (or one with more certainty). Additionally, there will be a new VU coach hired. It'll happen if he/she wants to re-recruit the players to his/her program.
It's a win-win as I see it (from the player's perspective). From a fan's perspective, this is the LEAST involved I've been in many years. I do not know these players as I have in seasons past. I have no ties and relatively no investment. I watched games out of a sense of pride. Out of a sense of obligation to the program as an alum & lifelong fan. But I won't be upset if any/all of the players leave if that's what's best for them in their judgment.
I'm ready for a new era. No offense to any current players or fans. That is just my opinion. I'm looking forward to a reset & getting to know the new players For those who stay; I'm honestly excited to get to know them as well because I honestly don't know them. Cheers to a new chapter!!!
I'm looking forward to donating again for the first time in several years. I'm looking forward to renewing my season tickets! I'm looking forward to purchasing Valpo gear (I last purchased it several years ago).
Let's go!
Quote from: Dr. T on April 06, 2023, 09:49:43 AMAs pointed out, entering the transfer portal does not automatically equate to players leaving. Why not enter the transfer portal? What's the worst that can happen from the player's perspective? If they're of any D-1 caliber, they'll get some options on the table to leave and could end up somewhere that's a better fit (or one with more certainty). Additionally, there will be a new VU coach hired. It'll happen if he/she wants to re-recruit the players to his/her program. It's a win-win as I see it (from the player's perspective). From a fan's perspective, this is the LEAST involved I've been in many years. I do not know these players as I have in seasons past. I have no ties and relatively no investment. I watched games out of a sense of pride. Out of a sense of obligation to the program as an alum & lifelong fan. But I won't be upset if any/all of the players leave if that's what's best for them in their judgment. I'm ready for a new era. No offense to any current players or fans. That is just my opinion. I'm looking forward to a reset & getting to know the new players For those who stay; I'm honestly excited to get to know them as well because I honestly don't know them. Cheers to a new chapter!!! I'm looking forward to donating again for the first time in several years. I'm looking forward to renewing my season tickets! I'm looking forward to purchasing Valpo gear (I last purchased it several years ago). Let's go!
Correct me if I am wrong here, but once you enter the transfer portal, you are released from your scholarship for the next year right? So to essentially say no risk for a player may be misleading. As we have seen in the last few years, a lot of players enter transfer portal but never get picked up by a team. Obviously, if you played, and played fairly well, someone will be interested, but for those that rode the bench more there is the risk that you will get lost in the sea of transfers and incoming freshmen. So for some, waiting and trying to see if the new coach fits and work your way up may be better than not having the opportunity to play on a team at all.
I understand the point of entering the portal but I do agree there is a risk. If you were a player the new coach is on the bubble of keeping, if you enter the portal, that decision is made. They are more likely not going to ask you to return if the portal doesn't work out. If you don't enter the portal, the new coach may keep you to see how you develop under his system. And you can make a decision upon meeting the new coach. Hopefully he is coach the players are excited to play for.
I believe the last couple years, about 15-20% of players that entered the transfer portal, did not get picked up by another school. That hasn't been the case for Valpo players. More the case with lower mid-Majors.
Quote from: tjjvalpo on April 06, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
I believe the last couple years, about 15-20% of players that entered the transfer portal, did not get picked up by another school. That hasn't been the case for Valpo players. More the case with lower mid-Majors.
That is because Lottich can recruit but can't coach.
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Quote from: Valpo1993 on April 06, 2023, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: tjjvalpo on April 06, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
I believe the last couple years, about 15-20% of players that entered the transfer portal, did not get picked up by another school. That hasn't been the case for Valpo players. More the case with lower mid-Majors.
That is because Lottich can can't recruit but and can't coach.
I fixed it for you. If Lottich could recruit he probably would have had a better record and may not have been fired.
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Quote from: Valpo1993 on April 06, 2023, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: tjjvalpo on April 06, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
I believe the last couple years, about 15-20% of players that entered the transfer portal, did not get picked up by another school. That hasn't been the case for Valpo players. More the case with lower mid-Majors.
That is because Lottich can can't recruit but and can't coach.
I fixed it for you. If Lottich could recruit he probably would have had a better record and may not have been fired.
Not necessarily..... you can be a good recruiter and a bad leader. To recruit he just needed to be a good salesman. That is why the good players would leave the program. He got them to VU but then realized they need to get out of the program.
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Gonzaga available transfers:
1.) 6'5 guard Hunter Sallis: former 5*
2.) 6'3 PG Dominick Harris: former 4*
3.) 7'0 C Efton Reid: from LSU.
Brandon Newman. (FWIW, According to SBNation Hammer & Nails Twitter account)
Graduate transfer. [Seems like 1 year of eligibility left, but could be two with covid year??]
6'5", 175 lbs.
Junior year stats: 6.0 ppg, 3.1 RPG, 1.1 APG
NIL Value: $21K
Summary of H&N Assessment: Characterized as a player who had a very good freshman season but in subsequent seasons played with lots of unfulfilled potential and had a difficult time meeting high expectations.
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Wasn't the turning point in Homer's career and VU's basketball's fortunes when Redmon and Schmidt transferred back home to Valparaiso back in 93-94? Could this be a selling point to Brandon? Right now, his stats are better than anyone currently on the roster even though he wasn't a Purdue starter the last two seasons.
Great, if sobering, piece by Paul Oren today on the challenges of the roster rebuild for next season.
This is like putting together an expansion team. Daunting but exciting. One thing is for certain: Valpo can offer talented kids a chance to play right away in 2023-24. And those with multiple years of eligibility could find a great new home. It's a 1-2 year window.
Well, Kim Mulkey had 9 new players this year and it worked for her. I know, different situation but the transfer protocol is in full action. Time to get to work.
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1647762498681032704?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
https://twitter.com/coachtreal2/status/1645835328039550984?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1648030109675188226?s=20
Coach Powell has some work ahead of him to put a team on the floor this winter.
If we can match what Murray State did this past year with a new coach and a bunch of new players (11-9 6th place) I will be very happy and consider that a massive success for the start of the Powell era that leaves plenty to build on.
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on April 17, 2023, 01:33:51 PM
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1648030109675188226?s=20
Coach Powell has some work ahead of him to put a team on the floor this winter.
With a bunch of scholarship slots open, if I'm a transfer who is itching to show the world that I should've been in the lineup, getting big minutes all along, coached by a super-promising new head coach who just came from one of the nation's best programs, then I'm now looking closely at Valpo.
Good, talented kids with chips on their shoulders have a great opportunity for a 2nd chance to shine.
I didn't know that both Joe and Emil were still struggling with medical issues, so it makes more sense why we started out with an approach to get them some decent PT, and it just fell completely off after a few games. I wish them well in their professional working careers moving forward.
Adding Brandon Newman, Miguel Ayesa(shooter) and Messiah Jones(Simeon HS) would all be good gets if we could make it happen. Then just four more to fill..lol.
Quote from: valpotx on April 18, 2023, 01:38:27 AMI didn't know that both Joe and Emil were still struggling with medical issues, so it makes more sense why we started out with an approach to get them some decent PT, and it just fell completely off after a few games. I wish them well in their professional working careers moving forward.
Didn't these two come in with Kithier and Anderson? If so, this shows what happens when you're constantly dealing with flawed players. Flaws can be that they are on the sidelines too often.
Emil came in with Ben so he has done 4 years I believe. He is the player Paul wrote about that contracted Lyme disease I believe. I am unsure about Joe's concerns.
In trying to connect some dots, this name popped out. Let's see if Valpo offers him.
https://www.rockmnation.com/platform/amp/2023/3/28/23660318/missouri-tigers-basketball-mohamed-diarra-transfers
It's hard to get excited about offers. Now commitments.... hoping with the new staff set we will have some really soon.
Wonder if any of our guys in the portal will withdraw and return now that it's clear we have a helluva HC and staff?
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 19, 2023, 10:30:21 AM
Wonder if any of our guys in the portal will withdraw and return now that it's clear we have a helluva HC and staff?
I doubt Roger would take them back. He certainly is looking for higher level players.
Not arguing that point, 72, but I always thought Max had a good up side and he is still a youngster. Time will tell as the roster fills out. The only short-term downside I see is that this new staff collectively is getting a later than most start in the 2023 recruiting war. Lots of slots to fill. But if Murray could do it, why not us?
And, knowing Roger, I suspect we are looking for very special players (high character, high talent, unselfish) who are harder to come by.
Think we will get any players from Georgetown, Oklahoma, GCU or Gonzaga?
I would think we have a shot at perhaps a couple of players from a couple of those schools you list namely GCU or Georgetown.
Does anybody know who is in the portal from those programs?
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 19, 2023, 11:04:18 AMNot arguing that point, 72, but I always thought Max had a good up side and he is still a youngster. Time will tell as the roster fills out. The only short-term downside I see is that this new staff collectively is getting a later than most start in the 2023 recruiting war. Lots of slots to fill. But if Murray could do it, why not us? And, knowing Roger, I suspect we are looking for very special players (high character, high talent, unselfish) who are harder to come by.
They also need to fit the profile for the style Powell wants to play which, at least as stated, is decidedly more uptempo than Lottich. I'm not sure how many from last year's roster fit that mold and that includes Ben.
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1648734633637314571?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
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Hmmmmmm! I didn't realize that Roger's resume includes bridge-building ;)
Now that we have coaches I wish we had a team. :(
QuoteComprehensive 2023 College Hoops Transfer List
- Broken down by league and by team
- Walk-ons have asterisk
- Next destination listed for each player
Please let me know of any updates/changes.
https://watchstadium.com/every-player-in-the-2023-college-basketball-transfer-portal-04-19-2023/
MISSOURI VALLEYEven Brauns, 6-9, 240, F, Jr., Belmont (7.0 ppg)
EJ Bellinger, 6-4, 205, G, Sr., Belmont (3.8 ppg) – TENNESSEE STATE
Michael Shanks, 6-6, 210, F, Jr., Belmont (2.1 ppg) – TENNESSEE STATE
Frank Jakubicek, 6-8, 245, F, Jr., Belmont (1.8 ppg)
Rienk Mast, 6-9, 240, F, Jr., Bradley (13.8 ppg, 8.0 rpg) – NEBRASKA
Zek Montgomery, 6-6, 210, G, Soph., Bradley (8.1 ppg) – RHODE ISLAND
James Weathers, 6-0, 180, G, Jr., Bradley (1.6 ppg)
Issa Samake, 6-8, 225, F, RS Soph., Drake (8.0 ppg – 1 game)
Okay Djamgouz, 6-5, 190, G, RS Jr., Drake (3.1 ppg) – MAINE
Bryceson Burns, 6-5, 195, G, RS Fr., Drake (0.7 ppg)
Antoine Smith Jr., 6-7, F, Sr., Evansville (7.7 ppg)
Gabe Spinelli, 6-2, G, Fr, Evansville (4.6 ppg) – MONMOUTH
Preston Phillips, 6-8, F, Soph., Evansville (3.9 ppg)
Chris Moncrief, 6-6, G, Fr., Evansville (2.4 ppg)
Logan McIntire, 6-4, G, Fr., Evansville (0.3 ppg) – KENTUCKY WESLEYAN
Zaveion Chism-Okoh, 6-3, G, Fr., Evansville (DNP)
Matus Malovec, 6-6, G, Fr., Evansville (DNP) – EASTERN FLORIDA STATE
Bryan Hall III, Evansville
Liam McChesney, 6-10, 200, F, RS Jr., Illinois State (6.5 ppg)
Joe Petrakis, 6-10, 225, F, Sr., Illinois State (1.9 ppg)
* Jayden Johnson, 6-6, 210, G, Jr., Illinois State (1.5 ppg)
Alex Kotov, 6-10, 230, F, Grad, Illinois State (0.6 ppg)
Alston Andrews, 6-9, 230, F, Jr., Illinois State (0.0 ppg)
Zach Hobbs, 6-5, 190, G, Jr., Indiana State (2.5 ppg)
Rob Martin, 5-10, 160, G, Fr., Indiana State (0.9 ppg) – SEMO
Cameron Crawford, 6-5, 195, G, Soph., Indiana State – MARSHALL
* Isaac Holmes, 6-6, 200, G, Fr., Indiana State
Jonathan Mogbo, 6-8, 225, F, Jr., Missouri State (8.0 ppg)
* Jonathan Dunn, 6-7, 200, F, Fr., Missouri State (DNP)
DJ Burns, 6-7, 220, F, Jr., Murray State (8.7 ppg, 6.6 rpg)
Kenny White Jr., 6-7, 225, F, Soph., Murray State (7.7 ppg)
Braxton Stacker, 6-5, 185, G, Fr., Murray State (0.7 ppg)
Jaxon Edwards, 6-6, 195, G, Fr., Murray State (0.5 ppg)
Marlon Lestin, 6-9, 230, F, Soph., Murray State (0.0 ppg)
Marcus Domask, 6-6, 215, F, Sr., Southern Illinois (16.7 ppg) – ILLINOIS
Lance Jones, 6-1, 190, G, Sr., Southern Illinois (13.7 ppg) – PURDUE
Dalton Banks, 6-2, 185, G, Jr., Southern Illinois (3.9 ppg) – ILLINOIS STATE
Foster Wonders, 65, 205, G, RS Fr., Southern Illinois (2.6 ppg) – GREEN BAY
Jace Carter, 6-5, 210, G, Soph., UIC (16.6 ppg, 7.0 rpg) – TEXAS A&M
Jalen Jackson, 6-2, 200, G, Fr., UIC (7.3 ppg) – FORT WAYNE
Damaria Franklin, 6-3, 200, G, Sr., UIC – MEMPHIS
Shaun Williams, 6-4, 190, G, Sr., UIC
Benjamin Krikke, 6-9, 235, F, Sr., Valparaiso (19.4 ppg) – IOWA
Maximus Nelson, 6-8, 215, F, Fr., Valparaiso (4.6 ppg)
Preston Ruedinger, 6-2, 185, G, Soph., Valparaiso (2.1 ppg) – GREEN BAY
Cam Palesse, 6-5, 195, G, RS Fr., Valparaiso (0.5 ppg)
David Skara went to Bosch Institute before he came to Valpo. He really wanted to follow Drew and Powell to Vanderbilt.
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Hmmmmmm! I didn't realize that Roger's resume includes bridge-building ;)
Remember that the relationship with Don Bosco was good up until Lottich was pushed into making an offer to a former Valpo student/athlete to join the Valpo coaching staff. Maybe that situation could have been handled better by Lottich because Don Bosco is very capable of providing very talented student/athletes to Valpo and you don't want to burn any bridges. It was assumed that later Lottich and Maravilla had smoothed over the wrinkles caused by this earlier situation.
Reminder, one Ivan Vujic is now head coach at Don Bosco Prep in Crown Point.
Bosco Institute Home Page (http://www.boscoinstitute.com/staff.html)
When is the "live" period for recruiting?
Quote from: tiny707 on April 20, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
When is the "live" period for recruiting?
High school recruiting is in a live period right now. Grassroots events are going on, and coaches are out evaluating.
I'm terrible at digging into this stuff. But I lurk on the MVCFans fan board. It seems that there is a lot of movement being documented there. Last post shows Wardle reloading with better than he lost. Hope we start tongues wagging soon too.
Yeah the Valley is definitely getting high major transfers. Illinois State(Illini), Bradley(Marquette) and Belmont(North Carolina and Vanderbilt). Doesn't always mean big success. We had Bakari and Joe Hedstrom...
Quote from: tiny707 on April 20, 2023, 09:43:29 PM
Yeah the Valley is definitely getting high major transfers. Illinois State(Illini), Bradley(Marquette) and Belmont(North Carolina and Vanderbilt). Doesn't always mean big success. We had Bakari and Joe Hedstrom...
There's that....
End of the benchers transferring from a high major programs are often not that good. Kind of a crap shoot. The really good ones get snatched up quickly by other high major programs.
I would think with the diminishing pool of D-1 portal players we will have to scour JUCO and D-2 or NAIA schools for trransfer opportunities. I am sure there are a some good players at that level that could make it in D-1.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 21, 2023, 07:46:01 AM
I would think with the diminishing pool of D-1 portal players we will have to scour JUCO and D-2 or NAIA schools for trransfer opportunities. I am sure there are a some good players at that level that could make it in D-1.
There are still hundreds of D1 players available. There have to be some potential among this group. Having said that we are moving incredibly slow at this point.
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Quote from: valpo64 on April 21, 2023, 07:46:01 AM
I would think with the diminishing pool of D-1 portal players we will have to scour JUCO and D-2 or NAIA schools for trransfer opportunities. I am sure there are a some good players at that level that could make it in D-1.
There are still hundreds of D1 players available. There have to be some potential among this group. Having said that we are moving incredibly slow at this point.
Just a feeling but I believe that Powell will eventually announce a large group of transfers (6 or 7) all at once. Maybe not but my gut is telling me Valpo will make a splash in the transfer portal. My gut is also telling me to get more exercise but that comes with a muffled "get it off will ya!" :-[
I'd say we're probably still recruiting the transfer portal hard just because if we were looking at Juco or others they'd be more likely to leak or post about offers/interest their getting. It seems for a lot of the portal recruits it's kept a bit quiet until the announcement since it seems like offers are made once they know they will accept.
After the bigger names find a new home, it takes a good, critical eye for coaches and staff to find the diamonds in the rough. I would like to think that because we have a great need for not only quality but also quantity of new faces that Roger and Staff will look very carefully and any prospects. I have confidence in the Rev's process especially with his past experience with mid-major and big time programs. I think he definitely knows what he is looking for in new signees.
Gonzaga has just announced a terrific incoming transfer class of Steele Venters, Ryan Nembhard, and Graham Ike. Apparently, Powell was the lead recruiter of Ike. I am expecting Valpo to see some of the Rev's ability to attract talent on display very soon as well.
With seven openings with could field a team of Gonzaga, Georgetown, Oklahoma and GCU transfers.
Some of the big boys such as Gonzaga are just now announcing their signees so it may take a while for players to trickle down to Valpo particularly if sights are set high.
Quote from: valpopal on April 21, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Gonzaga has just announced a terrific incoming transfer class of Steele Venters, Ryan Nembhard, and Graham Ike. Apparently, Powell was the lead recruiter of Ike. I am expecting Valpo to see some of the Rev's ability to attract talent on display very soon as well.
Forget past references about Valpo as "the Harvard of the Midwest," perhaps for recruiting purposes it is time to label VU under Powell as "the Gonzaga of the Midwest."
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Quote from: valpopal on April 21, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Gonzaga has just announced a terrific incoming transfer class of Steele Venters, Ryan Nembhard, and Graham Ike. Apparently, Powell was the lead recruiter of Ike. I am expecting Valpo to see some of the Rev's ability to attract talent on display very soon as well.
Forget past references about Valpo as "the Harvard of the Midwest," perhaps for recruiting purposes it is time to label VU under Powell as "the Gonzaga of the Midwest."
Respectfully, these types of references have always bothered me. I'd rather Valpo be the best Valpo, rather than the second best [somebody else].
I think that if Valpo were to thrive, it may need to take on a disruptive culture, which would suggest not following the path of anyone else.
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
Great analogy.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PM
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
I have no idea what kind of talent is left in the portal. I have no business suggesting how to recruit for the coming season. 🤣 But I'll weigh in anyway as a fan and say that if the remaining talent with the right fit for VU is sparse, then fill out the roster as best you can while ensuring that at least 5-6 scholarship spots are open for '24-'25, when this coaching staff has a full recruiting season. Do not take chances on toxic talent. Then coach the he** out of the players you have in '23-'24 in an effort to find some diamonds in the rough and to put a team on the floor that never quits.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
Love Fran however I think he's "too soon" with this take. This was posted the same day Gonzaga announced the signing of 3 of the better transfers in the portal. We're unlikely at the end of the talent pool in the portal particularly for non elite programs.
Quote from: 4throwfan on April 21, 2023, 01:29:28 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 21, 2023, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 21, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Gonzaga has just announced a terrific incoming transfer class of Steele Venters, Ryan Nembhard, and Graham Ike. Apparently, Powell was the lead recruiter of Ike. I am expecting Valpo to see some of the Rev's ability to attract talent on display very soon as well.
Forget past references about Valpo as "the Harvard of the Midwest," perhaps for recruiting purposes it is time to label VU under Powell as "the Gonzaga of the Midwest."
Respectfully, these types of references have always bothered me. I'd rather Valpo be the best Valpo, rather than the second best [somebody else].
I think that if Valpo were to thrive, it may need to take on a disruptive culture, which would suggest not following the path of anyone else.
Yes, Let's have other schools start saying they are "the Valpo of (insert region)."
Quote from: JD24 on April 22, 2023, 09:18:08 AM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
Love Fran however I think he's "too soon" with this take. This was posted the same day Gonzaga announced the signing of 3 of the better transfers in the portal. We're unlikely at the end of the talent pool in the portal particularly for non elite programs.
Fran: "Not to say that there aren't good players still left in portal."
Quote from: historyman on April 22, 2023, 09:42:25 AM
Quote from: 4throwfan on April 21, 2023, 01:29:28 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 21, 2023, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 21, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Gonzaga has just announced a terrific incoming transfer class of Steele Venters, Ryan Nembhard, and Graham Ike. Apparently, Powell was the lead recruiter of Ike. I am expecting Valpo to see some of the Rev's ability to attract talent on display very soon as well.
Forget past references about Valpo as "the Harvard of the Midwest," perhaps for recruiting purposes it is time to label VU under Powell as "the Gonzaga of the Midwest."
Respectfully, these types of references have always bothered me. I'd rather Valpo be the best Valpo, rather than the second best [somebody else].
I think that if Valpo were to thrive, it may need to take on a disruptive culture, which would suggest not following the path of anyone else.
Yes, Let's have other schools start saying they are "the Valpo of (insert region)."
ValpoZags
https://twitter.com/evanmiya/status/1649837061560745985?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
Quote from: David81 on April 21, 2023, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PM
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
I have no idea what kind of talent is left in the portal. I have no business suggesting how to recruit for the coming season. 🤣 But I'll weigh in anyway as a fan and say that if the remaining talent with the right fit for VU is sparse, then fill out the roster as best you can while ensuring that at least 5-6 scholarship spots are open for '24-'25, when this coaching staff has a full recruiting season. Do not take chances on toxic talent. Then coach the he** out of the players you have in '23-'24 in an effort to find some diamonds in the rough and to put a team on the floor that never quits.
Here is a pretty good estimate of talent of those still in the portal. Not sure how often this is updated.
https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&xvalue=trans&year=2023&minmin=0&start=20221101&end=20230501
Another portal list updated today sorted by guards, wings, and post:
https://theresourcenexus.com/transfer-portal-basketball/
Another good one:
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2023/
On Nexus report I like:
1.) #139 Jordan Davis from Wisconsin. I think same high school as Kobe in La Crosse.
2.) #143 Jacob Groves from Oklahoma. Hometown is Spokane, WA.
3.) #153 Hunter Sallis from Gonzaga. Hometown is Omaha.
4.) #172 Brandon Newman from Purdue. Hometown is Valpo.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 22, 2023, 11:07:53 AMQuote from: JD24 on April 22, 2023, 09:18:08 AMQuote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
Love Fran however I think he's "too soon" with this take. This was posted the same day Gonzaga announced the signing of 3 of the better transfers in the portal. We're unlikely at the end of the talent pool in the portal particularly for non elite programs.
Fran: "Not to say that there aren't good players still left in portal."
From that point of view he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Quote from: JD24 on April 22, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 22, 2023, 11:07:53 AMQuote from: JD24 on April 22, 2023, 09:18:08 AMQuote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
Love Fran however I think he's "too soon" with this take. This was posted the same day Gonzaga announced the signing of 3 of the better transfers in the portal. We're unlikely at the end of the talent pool in the portal particularly for non elite programs.
Fran: "Not to say that there aren't good players still left in portal."
From that point of view he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Strange interpretation of his words. It's not either/or, both comments he made are true. There are still good players in the portal. And the window of opportunity is closing fast at this late date which can lead to bad decisions.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 22, 2023, 01:20:46 PM
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Talking to Ned Beatty's character in Deliverance, "I sure do like your 'pretty' tables."
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 22, 2023, 04:44:51 PMQuote from: JD24 on April 22, 2023, 04:25:48 PMQuote from: Just Sayin on April 22, 2023, 11:07:53 AMQuote from: JD24 on April 22, 2023, 09:18:08 AMQuote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
Love Fran however I think he's "too soon" with this take. This was posted the same day Gonzaga announced the signing of 3 of the better transfers in the portal. We're unlikely at the end of the talent pool in the portal particularly for non elite programs.
Fran: "Not to say that there aren't good players still left in portal."
From that point of view he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Strange interpretation of his words. It's not either/or, both comments he made are true. There are still good players in the portal. And the window of opportunity is closing fast at this late date which can lead to bad decisions.
It's the "late date" I disagreed with initially.....which is what I said initially.
Wonder if Cam and Maximus will stay on team and not transfer?
Quote from: tiny707 on April 23, 2023, 08:08:08 AMWonder if Cam and Maximus will stay on team and not transfer?
Maybe not in year one but based on Powell's comments on style of play, guys on the roster better be able to defend the length of the court. I'm not sure that's in Max's game.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 22, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: David81 on April 21, 2023, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PM
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1649457235431665664?s=46&t=uQUoLf5AwXnu_4U6WjN3bw
I have no idea what kind of talent is left in the portal. I have no business suggesting how to recruit for the coming season. [emoji1787] But I'll weigh in anyway as a fan and say that if the remaining talent with the right fit for VU is sparse, then fill out the roster as best you can while ensuring that at least 5-6 scholarship spots are open for '24-'25, when this coaching staff has a full recruiting season. Do not take chances on toxic talent. Then coach the he** out of the players you have in '23-'24 in an effort to find some diamonds in the rough and to put a team on the floor that never quits.
Here is a pretty good estimate of talent of those still in the portal. Not sure how often this is updated.
https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&xvalue=trans&year=2023&minmin=0&start=20221101&end=20230501
Considering we only had two players above 1.0 (Krikke, King) there are many possibilities to recruit here.
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According to Twitter, Valpo is hosting western Michigan transfer Ola Ajiboye today. Freshman who averaged 3 ppg. Needless to say, the he few names that I have seen connected to Valpo are NOT the caliber I was expecting us to be after. So far mostly JUCO or low D1 players that struggled...
Meanwhile, UIC is bringing in transfers like Marquise Kennedy
Plays fast, athletic, big leaper, reestablishes the Bosco connection. Get him here. Roger will do the rest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMuKMywN0iQ
I'm wondering if enter Marquise Kennedy's recruitment late in the process.
Matt Gordon is his old Coach and would be familiar with him. Maybe that opens the door for Valpo to have a shot
I would classify Marquis Kennedy as a has-been. He was not that effective in his last year at Loyola as I remember.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 24, 2023, 11:41:16 AM
I would classify Marquis Kennedy as a has-been. He was not that effective in his last year at Loyola as I remember.
He just committed to UIC
https://twitter.com/nickschultz_7/status/1650527389171023872?s=46&t=cNk7taMAYtxNl1Q0_O79Gw
I agree with WH. Re-establishes the Bosco Institute connection. Roger will make him better. We have seven slots to fill. Probably an upgrade from Emil and Joe. His coach at Von Steuben High School likes Roger. I think his brother plays for Dee Brown at Roosevelt. Nice to get a Chicago kid with upside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxRNw6G97mw
Quote from: wh on April 24, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxRNw6G97mw
:thumbsup: Better movement and athleticism than either Emil or Joe. Good feet too. Seems to ba able to run the floor as well. Why is he leaving WMU?
Lest we forget "not being like everyone else" is precisely how Valpo built itself from a perennial doormat into an MVC member in 25 years' time.
1. The school decided to "Not be like everyone else" and stuck with Homer when he was showing signs of life locally on the recruiting trail.
2. Bryce decided to "not be like everyone else" and shun the bright glamorous lights of Duke Syracuse and Indiana to stay home and play for his dad at Valpo.
3. Valpo as a whole decided to "not be like everyone else' and adopt international recruiting as a core strategy to bring in talent. This resulted in the commitments of many who we now consider among the best to ever put on a Valpo uniform.
So yes I hope Roger is trying to "not be like everyone else" and create his own culture because I trust him to build a solid one. When Mark Few speaks glowingly of you as a prospective coach you know you must be doing things right. It may take some time and the process of getting there may be ugly at first but we're going to be good again. Very good. And I can't wait. Because on the MVC stage if we have a team that ranks among the best in our school's history, that is going to matter. It will pay off in rankings tournament bids tournament wins. We will see what the benefits of MVC membership were all along. All it takes is someone to unlock the obvious and vast potential of this program. I believe we have the man to do just that in Roger Powell. Get excited Valpo fans. It's just a matter of time.
Quote from: tiny707 on April 24, 2023, 11:49:39 AM
I agree with WH. Re-establishes the Bosco Institute connection. Roger will make him better. We have seven slots to fill. Probably an upgrade from Emil and Joe. His coach at Von Steuben High School likes Roger. I think his brother plays for Dee Brown at Roosevelt. Nice to get a Chicago kid with upside.
Make it two and get Kobe Knox from Grand Canyon.
Love Kobe Knox from GCU...
Nice coincidence that local (Gary) All-Area guard Ash Williamson re-opened his recruitment at the same time Powell was hired. Could be a good addition.
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https://twitter.com/mooreexposure/status/1650652112315994113
Quote from: valpopal on April 24, 2023, 07:59:33 PM
Nice coincidence that local (Gary) All-Area guard Ash Williamson re-opened his recruitment at the same time Powell was hired. Could be a good addition.
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Despite some early interest from big time programs he only had offers from New Orleans and Tennessee st....
Being snubbed by big time programs could some great fuel to his success with Coach Powell motivating him. There once was a Laporte High School player by the name of Greg Tonagel that got snubbed by Purdue/Indiana and he had pretty good career at Valpo.
Nelson to Fort Wayne??
Maybe I'm missing something but that's seems like a strange move.
Quote from: valpopal on April 24, 2023, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 24, 2023, 07:59:33 PM
Nice coincidence that local (Gary) All-Area guard Ash Williamson re-opened his recruitment at the same time Powell was hired. Could be a good addition.
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This tweet tells me that he had committed (verbally) somewhere. Did I miss something?
Ola Ajiboye, who visited Valpo, will announce his commitment decision later this afternoon.
I don't see that we have offered Ola Ajiboye on Verbal Committs?
Not seeing published that we have made offers is of no surprise, or shouldn't be. VU has always kept close to the vest any athletic announcements, including not issuing a press release of hiring assistant coaches. I would guess that VU has made a number of offers that we know nothing about, at least at this time. It seems like most offer announcements have come from tweets, etc. by the player in question.
yeah, especially with the portal it seems like this year at least the whole announcing of offers and putting things out there is way less. I heard no offers for Ben prior to his commitment to Iowa but there's no way that he wasn't getting flooded with them.
Same with Newman. I heard his final three from an inside source, but never saw anything public. And no Valpo was not one of them. In fact I was told they never even offered him. Hearsay though.
Doesn't surprise me they didn't offer if they had a sense early they weren't an option. That feels like it was much more a fan base forced theory than anything with any smoke from the team or university.
Per Paul's Twitter account, Cam to Canasius. Buffalo is a lot farther from Wisconsin. 😳 The snow there in incredible. The Griffins are, with Niagara, the furthest west in the MAAC — lots of long bus rides to Iona, Manhattan and Quinippiac, et. al.
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1652011919430041610?s=20
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 29, 2023, 08:01:19 AM
Per Paul's Twitter account, Cam to Canasius. Buffalo is a lot farther from Wisconsin. 😳 The snow there in incredible. The Griffins are, with Niagara, the furthest west in the MAAC — lots of long bus rides to Iona, Manhattan and Quinippiac, et. al.
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1652011919430041610?s=20
I don't quite understand why, but several MAAC programs are recruiting heavily in Wisconsin (Canisius, Albany).
Preston Ruedinger to Green Bay and Maximus Nelson to San Francisco...
DaJion Humphrey, who was offered by VU under Lottich in January, has committed to Bowling Green.
Quote from: cornonthe on April 30, 2023, 02:46:57 PM
Preston Ruedinger to Green Bay and Maximus Nelson to San Francisco...
Maximus committed to Fort Wayne.
Quote from: vu72 on April 30, 2023, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: cornonthe on April 30, 2023, 02:46:57 PM
Preston Ruedinger to Green Bay and Maximus Nelson to San Francisco...
Maximus committed to Fort Wayne.
I see the problem. Max posted he was a Don. The FW mastaDon. Not the San Fran Don's.
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Quote from: vu72 on April 30, 2023, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: cornonthe on April 30, 2023, 02:46:57 PM
Preston Ruedinger to Green Bay and Maximus Nelson to San Francisco...
Maximus committed to Fort Wayne.
I see the problem. Max posted he was a Don. The FW mastaDon. Not the San Fran Don's.
Ohhhhhhhhhh...lol!!!
https://twitter.com/evanmiya/status/1654161568815276032?s=61&t=rvVIRCc0Iy1MgHjjNd30UA
https://twitter.com/TVBOren/status/1656031936094035972
Was it even in our radar that we were recruiting this guy?
Averaged half a point per game and only played in 11 games. Was he injured or what is the story there?
He was recruited by the old coach I believe. He and another freshman who were commits prior to Prohm coming in both entered the portal after this season. Could just be that they didn't fit his style or got shoved down the bench by all the older transfers he brought in.
Like I've been saying, next season is like being an expansion team. And if Jaxon Edwards is one of those guys at the end of someone else's bench who can't wait to show what he can do, then he has a golden opportunity at Valpo.
We have no real idea how this team will perform. This could be fun.
6-6, 195#, freshman according to the MSU 2022-23 MBB roster. Clips show a kid who is quite athletic, can leap and is active under the basket. Played a total of 29 minutes (third fewest on the team), appearing in 11 games.
Did some lurking on the Racer's board and it seems they're divided between people who think that Prohm's refusal to play Edwards and another freshman because he stuck to his 7 man rotation is what led to players with potential leaving prematurely and those that are deferring to the coaches' decision
Quote from: David81 on May 09, 2023, 03:45:26 PMWe have no real idea how this team will perform. This could be fun.
Yes it could be fun or it could be torture. I will start laughing out or screaming out my early takes come November. Until then I don't really have a clue. ???
Played with Isaiah Stafford at Cathedral in 2021. Won a state championship at Cathedral in 2022. Great for team chemistry. Maybe Isaiah helping us recruit...
Quote from: tiny707 on May 09, 2023, 05:26:46 PM
Played with Isaiah Stafford at Cathedral in 2021. Won a state championship at Cathedral in 2022. Great for team chemistry. Maybe Isaiah helping us recruit...
Stafford's USI bio said he played at Crispus Attucks. ??? Regardless, Edwards did win a state championship at Cathedral. :thumbsup:
Before I express my excitement over landing Jaxon, I need to condemn Murray coach Prohm. He played Jaxon a total of 29 minutes in 30+ games. Our walk-ons probably got more playing time than that. If you have a freshman who you feel isn't ready to play, show some leadership and red shirt him. Instead, he literally robbed him of a year of eligibility for absolutely no purpose. The good part is Jaxon is out of there and will soon be with coaches who will care about his well-being, develop his skill set, and put him in a position to be successful. Instead of being ignored, he will be embraced, supported, and elevated. I am thrilled that Jaxon is a Beacon - a total win-win. Congrats Jaxon!
Yeah, my bad 62. Jaxon and Isaiah competed against each other in 2021 so know each other from that. When Cathedral beat Crispus Attucks in 2021, Jaxon was high scorer for Cathedral with 17 points and Isaiah was high scorer for Crispus Attucks at 17 points.
Quote from: justducky on May 09, 2023, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: David81 on May 09, 2023, 03:45:26 PMWe have no real idea how this team will perform. This could be fun.
Yes it could be fun or it could be torture. I will start laughing out or screaming out my early takes come November. Until then I don't really have a clue. ???
That's the fun of it right now. The wondering how this will unfold. After a late start and losing the team's best player and top recruit, can these coaches cobble together a competitive team, hopefully with some hidden gems for another season or two? Can Valpo join other mid-majors who have played well in Year 1 of a new coaching staff and a new roster?
Also, what recruiting news will we be hearing about 2024-25? By this time next year, we'll know a lot about the recruiting chops of this coaching group, including incoming frosh and working the transfer portal.
I hear Carly Simon singing "Anticipation," though it may help some to be in a sort of Zen peaceful state of letting it happen. 🤣
Quote from: wh on May 09, 2023, 06:43:17 PM
Before I express my excitement over landing Jaxon, I need to condemn Murray coach Prohm. He played Jaxon a total of 29 minutes in 30+ games. Our walk-ons probably got more playing time than that. If you have a freshman who you feel isn't ready to play, show some leadership and red shirt him. Instead, he literally robbed him of a year of eligibility for absolutely no purpose. The good part is Jaxon is out of there and will soon be with coaches who will care about his well-being, develop his skill set, and put him in a position to be successful. Instead of being ignored, he will be embraced, supported, and elevated. I am thrilled that Jaxon is a Beacon - a total win-win. Congrats Jaxon!
And even worse:
Murray State ----
The student body is 62.95% female and 37.06% male. Our students are residents of 48 states. We have 401 international students from 45 countries.
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Pretty damning isn't it, wh?
Ibra Bayu transferring per PO's Twitter
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on May 11, 2023, 12:38:34 PM
Ibra Bayu transferring per PO's Twitter
I think this is terrible news. Ibra needed coaching to develop a shot but, He was easily one of the most athletic players to even lace them up at Valpo. Perhaps the writing was on the wall relative to incoming players and his role going forward.
I'm hoping that this means somebody with some real oomph is transferring in at his position. I thought he could be a starter and really thrive in this system. Perhaps he was told there wouldn't be much time available.
I'm not terribly upset about this transfer.
As much as Ibra demonstrated athleticism, his lack of maturity and volatility was a detriment this past year -- he did not represent the team and university well on the court. I'm not sure how much of that could be cured by coaching even over the long run. Although I don't know how he performed in practice and off of the court, but his attitude could have required a great deal of coaching time that can be used more productively.
There was nobody on that roster left that should be considered a problem leaving in the transfer portal.
This will be interesting where he ends up academically.
June is going to be a really good month. It's going to get really really good.
What happens in June? NBA workouts are over and those that are in the portal and the draft make their call?
Well, chairback, unless you have a crystal ball next to your recliner, I'm assuming you've heard something from the inner sanctum. Sounds hopeful. Thanks for sharing.
'05, good thought about undrafted players returning. I think I read something about June 12th as the key date here.
Water under the bridge, but would love to know the real story on Ibra. After he has gone through some workouts with Powell, what happened? He obviously flashed a lot of athleticism and prolly should have played more. He reminded me of a poor man's Shawn Kemp in terms of the rawness, leaping ability and contortionist moves in the air.
In fact, how would we have compared Ibra to Vashil at the same time?
Total makeover/rebuild this year!!
The real story on Ibra is that he wasn't serious and showed up late to practice late and coach said "What are you doing here" . Wasn't taking it seriously. Call it here-say but I heard it from a close source.
Quote from: crusader05 on May 11, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
What happens in June? NBA workouts are over and those that are in the portal and the draft make their call?
Here's a wild guess on 1 player who declared for the NBA draft that could end up at Valpo:
Gonzaga's Malachi Smith declares for 2023 NBA Draft
The redshirt junior spent one season in Spokane
COLE FORSMANAPR 12, 2023 5:17 PM EDT• Played 1 year at Gonzaga; 1 year of eligibility remaining
• West Coast Conference 6th Man of the Year 54%FG,
50%3FG (45-90)• "Smith was by far Gonzaga's most efficient guard during the NCAA Tournament. He shot 57.1% from the field and 55.6% from deep during the Zags' run to the Elite Eight."
• 2021-22 Southern Conference POY
• 2021-22 Chattanooga
19.9 PPG, 50%FG, 41%3FG•
Home town - Belleville, IL• Would be an immediate candidate for MVC POY IMO
https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/basketball/gonzagas-malachi-smith-declares-for-2023-nba-draft
Another wild guess Gonzaga transfer:
Julian Strawther, 6-7 junior guard: Strawther declared for the 2023 NBA Draft on April 11. Gonzaga Nation recently surveyed three NBA front office executives about Strawther's NBA readiness, and the analysis was mixed.
15.2 PPG 47%FG 41%3FG
Another immediate MVC POY candidate
I thought you could only return to the college you played for if you pull out of the draft or don't get drafted? I could be wrong. Not sure.
Quote from: tiny707 on May 12, 2023, 07:26:40 AM
I thought you could only return to the college you played for if you pull out of the draft or don't get drafted? I could be wrong. Not sure.
You can't pull out of the NBA draft and then transfer? How about if your previous head coach leaves? What would be the purpose of such a rule? Wouldn't you try for the NBA first before you went to the trouble of transferring.
I think players put both their name in the portal and go to the workouts/declare for the draft.
Didn't AP do that after his Junior year? Pulled his name and returned? And we were wondering if he might transfer to a Power 5?
I'm not sure how any of this works...
They must do both I guess? Declare for
draft and enter the transfer portal. What if a team fills all their slots and a player wants to go back to college? Has to have a place to go and yes, throw in coaches leaving too.
I would be shocked if Strawther or Smith ended up anywhere besides a championship hopeful program if they are playing college basketball next year.
Yeah i'd say your better bet is looking for players like a Peters who may be told go somewhere and increase your time/stats to get more looks/experience. You could go to a championship team but if you're on the bubble and you end up the 8th man in a rotation that's not gonna help get the eyes on your that you'd need.
Vok22, maybe The Rev will shock you and others? Who knows? We do have a lot of open slots. We will see. Interesting.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-10-13/ncaa-certified-agents-helping-college-athletes-test-nba-draft-waters
QuoteThree years ago, the NCAA revised its rules and began implementing a certification process for agents to represent Division I men's basketball players while they weigh their prospects of trying to compete in the NBA. Under the change, if student-athletes use an NCAA-certified agent while gathering information on whether to enter the NBA draft, they retain their college eligibility if they choose to return to school.
The revised rules altered the recruitment process that agents have with prospective professional players and brought pushback from agents, as well as their clients already in the NBA.
The rules changes were spurred in 2018 when the Commission on College Basketball reported that NCAA student-athletes needed earlier professional advice to determine whether it is in their best interests to declare for the NBA draft.
QuoteAs a result, the NCAA agent certification program was created. A student-athlete whose team's basketball season has concluded can start the process by requesting an evaluation from the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee via email at UAC@nba.com.
After an NCAA player fills out the application for feedback from the NBA, he can begin working with an NCAA-certified agent. If a player chooses to sign with an agent not certified by the NCAA, he forfeits his college eligibility.
QuoteOnce the player selects the agent to help explore his NBA draft prospects, the work goes to the stage of obtaining individual workouts and invitations to the NBA Draft Combine or G League Elite Camp.
QuoteThe agents don't make the final decisions on whether a player should pursue a professional career or head back to campus. They offer advice, and the player makes the call on which route to take.
Per NCAA rules, players face a deadline of 10 days after the conclusion of the NBA Draft Combine to withdraw from the process and return to school. In this time frame, players also receive more feedback from the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee.
Testing the Waters – the NCAA Issues a Memo About Best Practices for DI Basketball Players Seeking a Career in the NBAhttps://sportslawexpert.com/2022/03/10/testing-the-waters-the-ncaa-issues-a-memo-about-best-practices-for-di-basketball-players-seeking-a-career-in-the-nba/
QuoteFor top tier talent, the decision to remain in college or test the waters of the professional draft is a yearly occurrence, but for those who are on the fringe of being selected or being passed over by those in the professional ranks, such a decision is magnified. The following article addresses a best practices memorandum recently issued by the NCAA to NCAA DI athletic directors, head coaches and various other pertinent stakeholders to help guide their athletes who are considering making the jump from intercollegiate play to the professional realm.
For those on the aforementioned fringe, the memorandum serves as a guideline which will allow them to test the waters without completely forgoing their eligibility and amateurism status required by the NCAA. If they discover such a jump into the professional ranks is not in their best interest at this given time and they seek to return to the collegiate ranks, the memorandum highlights how this may be a better option.
The analysis follows:
BEST PRACTICES
As previously stated, this memorandum serves as a guideline for DI men's basketball players and their constituents to successfully navigate the NBA draft process while not completely forgoing their eligibility during the process. Nine pertinent rules are distinctly listed for athletes, their families, coaches, and all others potentially involved with such a decision to consider and abide by if they wish to avoid losing the athlete's NCAA eligibility while testing the waters. The nine rules for losing eligibility are as follows:
He enters the NBA Draft or hires an NCAA-certified agent prior to or without requesting an NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee evaluation from the NBA.
He agrees orally or in writing to be represented by any individual other than an NCAA-certified agent.
He agrees orally or in writing to be represented by an NCAA-certified agent outside of the permissible timeframe allowed by NCAA legislation.
He accepts any benefits from an individual other than an NCAA-certified agent.
He accepts any benefits from an NCAA-certified agent that are not expressly permitted by NCAA legislation or outside of the permissible timeframe allowed by NCAA legislation.
He participates in a tryout with an NBA team that lasts longer than 48-hours (exception for the NBA Draft Combine and the G League Elite Camp held in connection with the Combine), which he has not personally financed, or his NCAA-certified agent has not financed.
He misses class to participate in a tryout, including travel to and from the tryout (exception for the NBA Draft Combine and G League Elite Camp held in connection with the Combine).
He enters the NBA Draft AND does not take the appropriate steps to withdraw and declare his intention to resume intercollegiate participation.
He enters the NBA Draft AND is drafted by a professional team.
Explanation and conclusion follows in the above-linked article.
I get the kids want the big payday. If they are not projected as a first round pick they should stay in school.
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Quote from: crusader05 on May 12, 2023, 08:36:24 AMI think players put both their name in the portal and go to the workouts/declare for the draft.
Yes. For instance, St. John's just got a commitment from Jordan Dingle who's a really good player from Penn. However Dingle has also declared for the draft and has future "pro days" with a few NBA teams. So ultimately he could end up in the NBA.
Players can pull their names out of the draft hat and retain college eligibility through the 10th day after the ending of the NBA combine...this year May 18.
Also, grad transfers can transfer at anytime. There is no cut off date to
put your name in the transfer portal.
Entering the NBA Draft isn't the same as the transfer portal. The NBA Draft allows for return to school, if you're not going to get the draft hope you thought you had, or like Alec, it gave you a chance to get an idea of what skill sets for the NBA an individual needs to potentially get drafted. That's not the same as entering the transfer portal. With the transfer portal, that's essentially the same as telling the school "I'm NOT coming back to this institution". Just because the two players from Gonzaga declared for the NBA Draft doesn't mean they are in the transfer portal, and potentially looking at Valpo because of Coach Powell, or that we should be looking at them for our team.
Hoopsrumors had this for draft:
College underclassmen expected to remain in the draft:
1.) Julian Strawther, G/F, Gonzaga, JR.
College underclassmen testing the waters(some of these players may be transferring to new schools):
1.) Rayshon Harrison, G, GCU, JR.
College seniors testing the waters(some of these players may be transferring to new schools):
1.) Jalen Hill, F, Oklahoma.
2.) Malachi Smith, G, Gonzaga.
3.) Drew Timme, F/C, Gonzaga.
4.) Qudus Wahab, C, Georgetown.
5.) Anton Watson, F, Gonzaga.
Paul has a great interview with Edwards up on TVB. Surprised that he never got to visit Valpo ever in the recruiting cycle before committing to Murray. Where the heck were we?
Quote from: Chairback on May 11, 2023, 04:27:22 PM
June is going to be a really good month. It's going to get really really good.
The last day for entering the transfer portal passed last Thursday. Correct me if I am wrong, but by my thinking there are still 5 spots to fill on the team. The first summer school session starts tomorrow; however, a more practical deadline is likely June 26, the beginning of the second summer session. I imagine the ideal would be to have a roster set at least a week in advance of that date to bring together on campus as many players as possible for the second session. The major conference teams are completing their rosters and the dust will begin to settle soon as players still in the portal select landing locations at mid-majors. I will be curious to see how those remaining Valpo positions get filled in the next few weeks. The anticipation is refreshing since summer on this forum hasn't been as interesting in recent years.
The only way I see them filling all 13 scholarship positions is if they have 2 players transfer in with only year of eligibility left. My impression is that Coach Powell is sticking with finding the type of player that will fit his system and not just looking for bodies to fill out the roster.
Agree TJJ. I like that his has a system in mind and then find the players for that system. Lottich would do the opposite. Get players and then figure out a system. Remember the beginning of this season we were going to be the three headed monster with the big men like the Bulls. Did not go well so then he moved Ben to top to facilitate. Three years ago it was freshmen, then Big Ten and then D2. The Rev is being patient and strategic. He has no fear. We don't need 13 players. Hell Murray State had a seven man rotation. I would not be shocked if we get a few of the players listed above after they decide to withdraw from draft.
Guys. I drink the Valpo Kool-Aid as much as anyone, but come on. Julian Strawther is not coming to a school that just lost a guy to McNesse State.
Agree on Julian but six more names...
If we can rely on past patterns by Coach Garrison, an announcement of news is imminent.
[tweet]1658189501368262669[/tweet]
Wow, Jaxon! Your new home awaits you.
https://twitter.com/CoachQG/status/1656367672576077834?s=20
Quote from: valpopal on May 15, 2023, 03:10:23 PMIf we can rely on past patterns by Coach Garrison, an announcement of news is imminent. [tweet]1658189501368262669[/tweet]
Anything on this particular Boom or is this just a randomly placed Boom?
Not yet but I believe he posted something similar before other recruit announcements.
Curiously, Coach Garrison followed up his "BOOM" tweet with this retweet about Kyonte Thomas (like Stafford, another Bolingbrook product), but no mention of an offer or commitment. Thomas played at Trinity International University, which has disbanded its athletics program.
[tweet]1658237192576065540[/tweet]
Could just be a kid he knows and is giving him a bump in visibility. I don't know that I would assume those two are linked.
Quote from: crusader05 on May 16, 2023, 07:54:09 AM
Could just be a kid he knows and is giving him a bump in visibility. I don't know that I would assume those two are linked.
Thus the "curiously" in my post. It would seem odd to follow-up a "BOOM" post that gets everyone's attention with an unrelated tweet.
I keep an eye on the year-to-year roster/eligibility chart that Paul updates, mindful of the need to save a good cluster of open slots for next year, when the coaching staff has a full cycle to recruit.
Using that as a guide, it would be great to add maybe three quality final year guys who can provide a spark during the coming season, while making way for what I anticipate will be a very good recruiting year for 24-25.
Quote from: valpopal on May 16, 2023, 07:34:09 AMCuriously, Coach Garrison followed up his "BOOM" tweet with this retweet about Kyonte Thomas (like Stafford, another Bolingbrook product), but no mention of an offer or commitment. Thomas played at Trinity International University, which has disbanded its athletics program. [tweet]1658237192576065540[/tweet]
I don't think that's worthy of a good quality BOOM!
Quote from: David81 on May 16, 2023, 09:30:09 AM
I keep an eye on the year-to-year roster/eligibility chart that Paul updates, mindful of the need to save a good cluster of open slots for next year, when the coaching staff has a full cycle to recruit.
Using that as a guide, it would be great to add maybe three quality final year guys who can provide a spark during the coming season, while making way for what I anticipate will be a very good recruiting year for 24-25.
I agree, and I think that is what we will be targeting for the most part. I believe we currently have 0 seniors on the roster. This means that, barring transfers next season, if we fill out the roster with no seniors, we will have no guaranteed scholarships to offer to 2024 kids. Obviously, we will have people transfer out and spots will open up, but going through the 2023 season with no guaranteed roster spots opening in the offseason means we cant really accept 2024 commitments all year which would be a huge disadvantage. Look for us to finally add some seniors via the portal.
Quote from: vok22 on May 16, 2023, 12:04:11 PMQuote from: David81 on May 16, 2023, 09:30:09 AMI keep an eye on the year-to-year roster/eligibility chart that Paul updates, mindful of the need to save a good cluster of open slots for next year, when the coaching staff has a full cycle to recruit. Using that as a guide, it would be great to add maybe three quality final year guys who can provide a spark during the coming season, while making way for what I anticipate will be a very good recruiting year for 24-25.
I agree, and I think that is what we will be targeting for the most part. I believe we currently have 0 seniors on the roster. This means that, barring transfers next season, if we fill out the roster with no seniors, we will have no guaranteed scholarships to offer to 2024 kids. Obviously, we will have people transfer out and spots will open up, but going through the 2023 season with no guaranteed roster spots opening in the offseason means we cant really accept 2024 commitments all year which would be a huge disadvantage. Look for us to finally add some seniors via the portal.
That's a good point and possibly why getting guys in from the portal is taking time. Maybe desireable seniors don't want to come to a program to spend their final season with a program starting essentially from scratch.
Garrison just posted another "boom" gif on Twitter. Last time he posted two of them, the following 5 days we got commitments from Isaiah Stanford and Jaxon Edwards. Wonder who the next two will be.
He could also be mimicking the sound of a sonic boom if he lives near a military base.
Is it possible that is related to the official announcement of Ajiboye?
A guess that at least one boom is for the McNair commit. Maybe that's a two boomer.
Burgess is Sr. Scouting Director for PrepHoops.com/IL
"Roger Powell is big time recruiter and has already landed great gets from IL in portal and HS"
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1658620442830151680?s=20
This from Paul:
[tweet]1658860331345616896[/tweet]
ESPN had him as a 3 star commit, 17th best center prospect and 142 overall recruit last year. Don't know why he redshirted last year.
Maybe Valpo has its new version of Vashil. These Lual Manyang (6'11" 225 lbs.) highlights are from 3 or 4 years ago:
That kid can dunk! Roger is building a VERY young team who, if they stay together, could really be something down the road--or, perhaps sooner! ;D
https://youtu.be/PdpQ1E8x72c
Likes to play fast and block shots...👍.
It sounds like Lual will fit perfectly into Coach Powell's offense...and he loves to block shots. Next season could really be a fun one.
I think we should pump the breaks on this upcoming year being anything special for now. Still have 0 seniors and nobody that is a clear number one. 1 transfer with significant D1 minutes and he averaged 3 ppg. Manyang looks like he has a TON of upside but clearly there is a catch if he was a top 150 recruit by ESPN and he is transferring from Hofstra after playing 0 minutes. Maybe he was injured or something else.
This roster is clearly being built in a more thoughtful manner with players that play to the strengths of the game plan. However, barring a HUGE transfer (which is still possible considering we have 4 open spots) we are still missing a clear go to guy and tons of experience. When I look at a lot of the guys on this roster, I think young with potential. They need mentors and time to grow and not all will pan out. With the way the coaching staff has gone about recruiting and the way they have indicated they are going to run things, there is reason to be excited for the future.
Quote from: vok22 on May 17, 2023, 02:42:22 PM
I think we should pump the breaks on this upcoming year being anything special for now. Still have 0 seniors and nobody that is a clear number one. 1 transfer with significant D1 minutes and he averaged 3 ppg. Manyang looks like he has a TON of upside but clearly there is a catch if he was a top 150 recruit by ESPN and he is transferring from Hofstra after playing 0 minutes. Maybe he was injured or something else.
Indeed, to those who feel in the know about the current roster, who are the likely top scorers right now? I realize this a bit of a crapshoot projection, but I'm curious as to whether there's genuine scoring punch potential among the current signees.
I am keeping things in perspective and my expectations are low for the first year.
I would he be happy with a 9th place finish or higher and 7 or more conference wins. Then build from there. Effort, toughness and an actual system is what I am looking for.
Quote from: vok22 on May 17, 2023, 02:42:22 PM
I think we should pump the breaks on this upcoming year being anything special for now. Still have 0 seniors and nobody that is a clear number one. 1 transfer with significant D1 minutes and he averaged 3 ppg. Manyang looks like he has a TON of upside but clearly there is a catch if he was a top 150 recruit by ESPN and he is transferring from Hofstra after playing 0 minutes. Maybe he was injured or something else.
This roster is clearly being built in a more thoughtful manner with players that play to the strengths of the game plan. However, barring a HUGE transfer (which is still possible considering we have 4 open spots) we are still missing a clear go to guy and tons of experience. When I look at a lot of the guys on this roster, I think young with potential. They need mentors and time to grow and not all will pan out. With the way the coaching staff has gone about recruiting and the way they have indicated they are going to run things, there is reason to be excited for the future.
I don't think you can play any minutes and be eligible to redshirt.
Lual Manyang offers:
Hofstra
Hofstra Status: Committed (4/19/2022)
Offer:
Yes
Bryant
Offer:
Yes
Charlotte
Offer:
Yes
George Mason
Offer:
Yes
La Salle
Offer:
Yes
Manhattan
Offer:
Yes
Massachusetts
Offer:
Yes
NJIT
Offer:
Yes
Saint Louis
Offer:
Yes
Seton Hall
Offer:
Yes
Is there a running list of all of this year's transfers out of the Valpo program, and where they are headed?
Quote from: valpo95 on May 18, 2023, 08:33:27 AM
Is there a running list of all of this year's transfers out of the Valpo program, and where they are headed?
Ben Krikke
Junior
PF
6'9"
235 lbs
Valparaiso
Iowa
Preston Ruedinger
Sophomore
PG
6'2"
185 lbs
Valparaiso
Green Bay
Ibra Bayu
Freshman
SF
6'8"
195 lbs
Valparaiso
Cam Palesse
Sophomore
PG
6'5"
195 lbs
Valparaiso
Canisius
Maximus Nelson
Freshman
PF
6'8"
215 lbs
Valparaiso
Purdue Fort Wayne
VerbalCommits.com shows transfers by school.
Just read Paul's profile of Lual Manyang. Not only is he a big, raw physical talent, but also this is the kind of kid you root for. The injury bug he's had to deal with is the small stuff compared to other challenges he's faced. If he can stay healthy and take these years to develop, then VU could be sitting on a wonderful success story here. Heck, if he turns out to be "just" a decent player who benefits from his time at VU, it'll still be a success story.
Coach Powell is by all accounts off to a fine start - but I have to say that whenever a tall recruit's profile includes the words "all he needs is time, reps, and patience" - as is the case with Manyang - my expectation level drops several notches.
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on May 18, 2023, 08:45:40 PM
Coach Powell is by all accounts off to a fine start - but I have to say that whenever a tall recruit's profile includes the words "all he needs is time, reps, and patience" - as is the case with Manyang - my expectation level drops several notches.
Paul
I know where you are coming from—but that's also how Vashil was described before he turned into a Valpo great. Most won't turn into Vashil, but having a project with the talent and natural ability that Manyang has on the team is a plus if that's what he turns into.
Agree.
Raw? yes. Two bad injuries? Yes. Slow afoot? Er... no. Awkward and needing coordination? Definitely not.
The kid played soccer until he outgrew the game. That translates to stamina, foot agility, jumping capability and spatial awareness. Despite being 6-11, his HS coach described him as running like a deer. Even if he can't hit the side of a barn from 15 feet (and we don't know that he can't), he already exhibits the speed and agility to protect the rim, block shots, defend opponent bigs, set picks, make kick-out passes when defenders collapse on him, and run the court. Not a bad foundation to start with and (hopefully) four seasons to refine finer points.
I don't know if this is appropriate to say right now, but I see a Vashil 2.0 scenario emerging, and, IMHO, Lual is already at a much higher starting point.
I'll take another Vashil potential project any day. I remember all of the board bashing that occurred with Vashil during his first 2 years, only for those folks to be taking it all back his final 2 years ;)
For VU, taking a four-year flyer on very raw but very promising players is one element of the success formula. In the case of Manyang, the additional known quantity is a combination of resilience, grit, and determination. That's a great starting place when considering his overall upside.
I've suggested that VU's situation this spring and summer offers an incredible opportunity for players who are thirsting for a chance to show what they can do if given the chance. The coaching staff now seems to be finding these guys.
The starting 5 and playing time is wide open. I don't think there is a single person that we can even pencil in that will be a starter. That is exciting!
Quote from: tjjvalpo on May 19, 2023, 01:34:25 PM
The starting 5 and playing time is wide open. I don't think there is a single person that we can even pencil in that will be a starter. That is exciting!
Yes it is exciting but it is also unpredictable and terrifying. I wonder how this will translate for ticket sales? It might be more fun watching these guys lose by 15 than watching Matt's teams lose by 8.
Quote from: justducky on May 19, 2023, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: tjjvalpo on May 19, 2023, 01:34:25 PM
The starting 5 and playing time is wide open. I don't think there is a single person that we can even pencil in that will be a starter. That is exciting!
Yes it is exciting but it is also unpredictable and terrifying. I wonder how this will translate for ticket sales? It might be more fun watching these guys lose by 15 than watching Matt's teams lose by 8.
Quack Quack
Quote from: valpotx on May 19, 2023, 03:32:10 AM
I'll take another Vashil potential project any day. I remember all of the board bashing that occurred with Vashil during his first 2 years, only for those folks to be taking it all back his final 2 years ;)
I don't take a word of it back. He was absolutely awful for two years. Then he turned a corner. Then he turned great. I still say he was terrible for two and great for two. Can't argue that.
Could we be done with undergrad transfers? We have three scholarships left, but at least one of them would have to be used by a player with only one year of eligibility left. Has anyone heard of any grad transfers coming to Valpo for a visit or that have been offered a scholarship?
Or could we be done? Start the rebuilding process in earnest now and just go with 10 scholarship players for next year. Add a couple more Walk ons for practice depth and focus on the 10, give them all meaningful minutes and see what develops.
Quote from: cmack on May 22, 2023, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: valpotx on May 19, 2023, 03:32:10 AM
I'll take another Vashil potential project any day. I remember all of the board bashing that occurred with Vashil during his first 2 years, only for those folks to be taking it all back his final 2 years ;)
I don't take a word of it back. He was absolutely awful for two years. Then he turned a corner. Then he turned great. I still say he was terrible for two and great for two. Can't argue that.
It sounds like 2 different ways of saying basically the same thing and then arguing about it. lol
Quote from: tjjvalpo on May 22, 2023, 11:22:39 PM
Could we be done with undergrad transfers? We have three scholarships left, but at least one of them would have to be used by a player with only one year of eligibility left. Has anyone heard of any grad transfers coming to Valpo for a visit or that have been offered a scholarship?
Or could we be done? Start the rebuilding process in earnest now and just go with 10 scholarship players for next year. Add a couple more Walk ons for practice depth and focus on the 10, give them all meaningful minutes and see what develops.
Given Valpo's recent history with injuries, that would be a narrow rope to walk on.
Quote from: tjjvalpo on May 22, 2023, 11:22:39 PMCould we be done with undergrad transfers? We have three scholarships left, but at least one of them would have to be used by a player with only one year of eligibility left. Has anyone heard of any grad transfers coming to Valpo for a visit or that have been offered a scholarship? Or could we be done? Start the rebuilding process in earnest now and just go with 10 scholarship players for next year. Add a couple more Walk ons for practice depth and focus on the 10, give them all meaningful minutes and see what develops.
There is no reason to NOT pick up a few grad transfers. If they end up sucking, they can ride the bench and help practice. No reason to just sit on 3 scholarships especially when we don't have much veteran presence on our current roster. A lot of our roster is now unproven and/or freshmen. Good to have a large young nucleus that the coaching staff can mold and coach as a unit together, but we do need one or two proven pieces to help that transition. I think we lack that right now.
Midnight Wednesday is the deadline players who declared for the NBA draft can decide to return to college, either to their previous teams or to transfer elsewhere. Therefore, the start of June should get interesting as we see dominoes across the country fall beginning Thursday, when final roster openings at the bigger programs are filled and remaining attention shifts to mid-major teams who have kept spots available. Players still in the portal at last will select landing spots like flakes settling in a shaken snow globe.
Quote from: valpopal on May 30, 2023, 08:42:06 AMPlayers still in the portal at last will select landing spots like flakes settling in a shaken snow globe.
With luck maybe a couple of these snow globe flakes can land at Valpo with meteoric impacts instead of injurious thuds.
Clarification for anyone.... Kobe King has used up his eligibility, correct? He played two years at Wisconsin and two at Valpo? Is he planning on continuing to play basketball in Europe or G league etc..?
Crazy that we are entering june and we still dont have an idea of who is playing where. There are some knowns but still a lot of unknowns that can create ripples as alluded to above. Toss is the fact that there are still universities that are concerned about credits before automatic admission and we are looking at the end of june. About 3 months after the season but already about 3 months before next season. The portal has some positives but still needs to be tweaked.
Somewhere I thought I read that June would likely bring more transfers to Valpo, due the Power Conferences filling out their roster and that Grad Transfers would be more likely to look at higher Mid-Major Conferences for landing spots. Are there any Grad Transfers on Valpo radar that we are courting? It seems like it has been very quiet for a couple of weeks.
Jaxon Edwards Joins Valpo Basketball Program
THURSDAY, JUNE 1, 2023
https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22154/jaxon-edwards-joins-valpo-basketball-program/
Man, it's Saturday evening and I am very thirsty for a 🍸, er, no, any info from Roger on any transfers who might be filling out our roster.
Well, yes, the 🍸 is is still in play. 🙄
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 03, 2023, 06:58:08 PM
Man, it's Saturday evening and I am very thirsty for a [emoji483], er, no, any info from Roger on any transfers who might be filling out our roster.
Well, yes, the [emoji483] is is still in play. [emoji849]
I'm sure they are looking at one or two year players. I seem to recall we didn't get Lubos until August.
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https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/22157/manyang-joins-valpo-basketball-program/
247 Sports had him ranked as the #50 center in the class of 2022 and a three star recruit.
Who are the 4 returning players? Barrett, Palm, DeAveiro and ?
Quote from: valpotx on June 10, 2023, 08:46:15 PM
Who are the 4 returning players? Barrett, Palm, DeAveiro and ?
Only those three are returning. Everyone else is going to be new.
Quote from: VUBBFan on June 10, 2023, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: valpotx on June 10, 2023, 08:46:15 PM
Who are the 4 returning players? Barrett, Palm, DeAveiro and ?
Only those three are returning. Everyone else is going to be new.
Actually, it was 4 until the transfer cut-off date and at the very last minute Bayu bailed. Landed at a JC, I think.
Since taking over, Powell and his staff have signed seven interesting and apparently talented replacements. They also have a 23 verbal commit in Sepp (soon to be signed) and 24 commit in McNair. Two more slots remain to be filled on the 23-24 roster. And as we have learned pretty quickly, Roger is not body shopping; he is being careful and deliberate. That's frustrating for all us immediate gratificationistic fans, but it's the right path to follow.
Quote from: VUBBFan on June 10, 2023, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: valpotx on June 10, 2023, 08:46:15 PM
Who are the 4 returning players? Barrett, Palm, DeAveiro and ?
Only those three are returning. Everyone else is going to be new.
I thought that Joe Vick was returning -- he's a walk on but still a player.
Quote from: valpotx on June 10, 2023, 08:46:15 PM
Who are the 4 returning players? Barrett, Palm, DeAveiro and ?
Walk-on Vick
By chance (or by design lol), does anyone have a list of our '23-24 scholarship players to date, so we can start assessing what we have by position, or at least front court/back court?
Quote from: wh on June 11, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
By chance (or by design lol), does anyone have a list of our '23-24 scholarship players to date, so we can start assessing what we have by position, or at least front court/back court?
This might do it! It doesn't list Sepp who I would think is a small forward at 6'7", so that 11 guys under scholarship so two to go.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/valparaiso
PO has a running spread sheet in every article about a signing. Go to the TVB article on Cooper's signing and you'll see it - reflects exactly what 72 said. It also projects 4 years ahead.