Here's the link for those of you interested in the updated Mid Major Top 25:
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php (http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php)
We jumped from unranked to #14. Green Bay sits at #7.
Nice to see 3 HL teams represented!
I see EKY is #34... and their AD is one of the voters. Could be a good game Wednesday night. I hope it's just as good as the other Kentucky school we played on Saturday; perhaps catching the Colonels looking ahead to their next game on Saturday against UK.
Just to update:
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php (http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php)
Valpo drops from 14 to 15.
Green Bay drops from 7 to 8.
EKU at 33.
Cleveland State at 36.
ETSU 41.
Murray State 42.
Detroit at 52.
I'll admit that I was surprised to see that Green Bay, and we, barely moved. Maybe it's good that the voters' perspective is broader than mine! I think it'd be considerably harder for me to look past the most recent results.
Valpo has moved up to No. 8 in the current Mid Major Top 25 poll:
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php (http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php)
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It had us at 10-2 there...once it updates us to 12-2 will we move up??
Quote from: Valpofan00 on December 22, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
It had us at 10-2 there...once it updates us to 12-2 will we move up??
They don't count the games against Trinity International and Goshen.
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Quote from: Valpofan00 on December 22, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
It had us at 10-2 there...once it updates us to 12-2 will we move up??
They don't count the games against Trinity International and Goshen.
But they do count IU-South Bend?
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Quote from: Valpofan00 on December 22, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
It had us at 10-2 there...once it updates us to 12-2 will we move up??
They don't count the games against Trinity International and Goshen.
But they do count IU-South Bend?
I had forgotten about IUSB. Valpofan00 must be correct. In checking the schedules of GB and Wright St I found they counted their non-Div-I games in their record.
Is it the RPI that doesn't count the non-Div-I games?
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Quote from: Valpofan00 on December 22, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
It had us at 10-2 there...once it updates us to 12-2 will we move up??
They don't count the games against Trinity International and Goshen.
But they do count IU-South Bend?
I had forgotten about IUSB. Valpofan00 must be correct. In checking the schedules of GB and Wright St I found they counted their non-Div-I games in their record.
Is it the RPI that doesn't count the non-Div-I games?
RPI does not include non D1 teams.
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Valpo has moved ahead of Green Bay and up to #4 in the current College Insider Mid-Major poll: http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php (http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php)
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The 79-52 beat down of a decent JMU team will only help our ranking.
Going to be tough passes any of those other three!
This team id starting to scare me. We seem to be getting better each game. JMU beat Ball State by 20 and we just killed them on their home flour. How good can they be? Think Missou would want to play us now?
Quote from: vu72 on December 29, 2014, 07:59:47 PMwe just killed them on their home flour. How good can they be?
I heard it was a full flour attack. Those boys were not good!
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The Missouri game really hurts right now. We are the only team they beat to have a KenPom of under 200. They've beaten old friend Oral Roberts (203), Southeast Missouri State (270), and Elon (223). They also beat Chaminade in Hawaii. They don't have a win outside of their building yet and frankly they don't look like a good team. Losing to the last place team of a down SEC is never good and it looks like that's what we did.
Quote from: Kyle321n on December 30, 2014, 09:08:19 AM
The Missouri game really hurts right now. We are the only team they beat to have a KenPom of under 200. They've beaten old friend Oral Roberts (203), Southeast Missouri State (270), and Elon (223). They also beat Chaminade in Hawaii. They don't have a win outside of their building yet and frankly they don't look like a good team. Losing to the last place team of a down SEC is never good and it looks like that's what we did.
I don't think it hurts that much as it was early in the season, on their home floor. It's not insignificant that the Tourney selection committee considers a team's last 10 games as part of its criteria; it's a better measure of the team's fitness than how they did while integrating new players and shuffling lineups. Finishing the season on a long winning streak will all but negate the early losses.
Speaking of selection committees, I'd hope we still have a shot at an at large bid with maybe one conf loss. On the other hand, the HL has been shafted before (GB last year) and at that rate we might as well win the conf tourney.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on December 30, 2014, 05:45:46 PM
Speaking of selection committees, I'd hope we still have a shot at an at large bid with maybe one conf loss. On the other hand, the HL has been shafted before (GB last year) and at that rate we might as well win the conf tourney.
Eh, UWGB was still poorly ranked in RPI, KPOM, etc. The fact they lost at home to UWM in their conference tourney, with two future NBA players, one being the player of the year, and with the coach of the year, to UWM, at home, to a team that finished with a bellow .500 record in conference, at home in the conference tourney really doomed them. You just can't do that and expect to get in based on one early season win at home. SMU was ranked and didn't even get in last year.
At the moment, we within the top 80 according to sag, pom, etc.. Hypothetically speaking, with a 15-1 (16-2 with HLT) record from here on out, do you think those rankings would go up? I imagine it would depend on who we'd lose to.
We will probably have a dumb loss yet this season. ... It will probably be to the last place HL team on our home court. It is just what seems to happen. However, for me it won't take away from what the team accomplishes. This year has been a bit of a surprise because I thought they would be good but i definitely was not expecting this kind of start.
They can just come out and totally dismantle a team - it is awesome to watch.
Hard to believe we only graduate one big contributor (no pun intended) this season, let us not forget we get our Lexus back next season too!
This group can be very special, perhaps put Valpo over the edge into mid-major stardom once again.
Green Bay passes us up, but we only fall to 6th.
Week midmajors this year?
Quote from: agibson on January 05, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Green Bay passes us up, but we only fall to 6th.
Week midmajors this year?
Very
i would say midweek, but ask me again in a couple days
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 05, 2015, 08:43:07 PM
i would say midweek, but ask me again in a couple days
I heard Green Bay is much livelier on Sundays--so week-end mid-major in their case.
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Green Bay picked up three points in the AP poll this week. Their first national votes of the year.
Central Michigan has had a pretty good season and is also in the Mid-Major Top 25. Why did they not match up VU and CMU instead of both teams playing the cream puff combo of Maine and Pine Bluff?
My apology if this has been answered before but in retrospect this looks like such a waisted opportunity.
i would think, since CMU organized it, they wanted no part of a decent opponent and just wanted the 2 Ws.
The last time VU was 16-3 was the first week of February, 1966. We were ranked #7 in the country -- Division II. Here are the rankings from that week:
Feb. 3, 1966
1. Southern Illinois
2. Grambling
3. Northern Michigan
4. Youngstown State
5. North Dakota
6. Cheyney
7. Valparaiso
8. Evansville
9. Central State (Ohio)
10. Akron
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on January 12, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
The last time VU was 16-3 was the first week of February, 1966. We were ranked #7 in the country -- Division II. Here are the rankings from that week:
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Feb. 3, 1966
1. Southern Illinois
2. Grambling
3. Northern Michigan
4. Youngstown State
5. North Dakota
6. Cheyney
7. Valparaiso
8. Evansville
9. Central State (Ohio)
10. Akron
Paul
One of Valpo's all time best teams. Beat Purdue that year if I'm not mistaken.
This PDF from the athletics website is a great resource for dates, opponents and records in the history of Valpo basketball.
http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf (http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf)
Based on this document, the 65-66 team did indeed beat Purdue, 114-96 on December 22, 1965 in a home game. It also appears that you would have to go back to the 44-45 ("World's Tallest") team to find a record as good, numerically, as the current 16-3 mark. According to the records the 65-66 team was 15-3 before going on a 4 game losing skid in early February. The 44-45 team ended the season 21-3.
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Quote from: ml2 on January 12, 2015, 05:23:16 PM
This PDF from the athletics website is a great resource for dates, opponents and records in the history of Valpo basketball.
http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf (http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf)
Based on this document, the 65-66 team did indeed beat Purdue, 114-96 on December 22, 1965 in a home game.
Not to diminish the great win that Valpo had over Purdue in 1965 but I thought I would put it in some perspective. The Purdue team that Valpo beat was 8-16 and finished 9th in the Big Ten with a 4-10 conference record. Believe it or not there were 10 teams in the Big Ten back in 1965. This was the last year of Purdue head coach, George King. The unusual thing was that after Fred Schaus took over for King at Purdue, King was named the Purdue athletic director in 1966.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/purdue/1966.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/purdue/1966.html)
Yes, Valpo was in the college division (Div. II) while Purdue was in the university division (Div. I). Later on the NCAA created Div. III and therefore the need to change the names of the divisions.
1965–66 Big Ten Conference men's basketball standings
Conf Overall
Team W L PCT W L PCT
#9 Michigan 11 – 3 .786 18 – 8 .692
Michigan State 10 – 4 .714 15 – 7 .682
Iowa 8 – 6 .571 17 – 7 .708
Illinois 8 – 6 .571 12 – 12 .500
Minnesota 7 – 7 .500 14 – 10 .583
Northwestern 7 – 7 .500 12 – 12 .500
Wisconsin 6 – 8 .429 11 – 13 .458
Ohio State 5 – 9 .357 11 – 13 .458
Purdue 4 – 10 .286 8 – 16 .333
Indiana 4 – 10 .286 8 – 16 .333
Rankings from AP Poll
Quote from: ml2 on January 12, 2015, 05:23:16 PM
This PDF from the athletics website is a great resource for dates, opponents and records in the history of Valpo basketball.
http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf (http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf)
Based on this document, the 65-66 team did indeed beat Purdue, 114-96 on December 22, 1965 in a home game. It also appears that you would have to go back to the 44-45 ("World's Tallest") team to find a record as good, numerically, as the current 16-3 mark. According to the records the 65-66 team was 15-3 before going on a 4 game losing skid in early February. The 44-45 team ended the season 21-3.
Delts of Valpo 1930-31 1930-31 1-0
Cincinnati YMCA 1923-24 1923-24 1-0
DePauw Pre-Flight 1943-44 1943-44 1-1
Detroit (Unknown) 1922-23 1925-26 1-4
Illinois Steel 1923-24 1923-24 1-0
Notre Dame 'B' 1925-26 1928-29 1-2
Wisconsin State 1971-72 1972-73 1-1
YMCA College 1922-23 1922-23 1-0
Explain.
Quote from: bbtds on January 19, 2015, 10:27:13 AMNot to diminish the great win that Valpo had over Purdue in 1965 but I thought I would put it in some perspective. The Purdue team that Valpo beat was 8-16 and finished 9th in the Big Ten with a 4-10 conference record. Believe it or not there were 10 teams in the Big Ten back in 1965. This was the last year of Purdue head coach, George King. The unusual thing was that after Fred Schaus took over for King at Purdue, King was named the Purdue athletic director in 1966.
I was wondering who might have been playing for that Purdue 1965-66 team. I looked up the history of Rick Mount from Lebanon, IN who played for Purdue and later was a star in the ABA for the Pacers, Colonels, Utah Stars and Memphis Sounds. Rick started playing for Purdue in 1966-67 but the rule back then was that freshman could not play on the varisty. In a scrimmage between the freshmen team and the Purdue varsity Mount scored 33 points. I'm sure Fred Schaus was licking his chops to get Rick on the varsity for the 1967-68 season.
In 1968-69 Rick Mount, Billy Keller and Herm Gilliam led Purdue to a Big Ten championship and Purdue's first appearance in the NCAA tournament. Keller and Gilliam were seniors and Mount was a junior on the 68-69 team. So in 1965-66 Keller and Gilliam were freshmen and could not play on the varsity. Not to say that Valpo didn't have some freshmen that couldn't, by rule, play on the varsity but Purdue sure had a lot of talent in the pipeline when they played Valpo in 1965-66.
1966-1967
Rick was considering committing to the University of Miami. Due to the fact that many in Florida saw basketball as a second sport to football, he stayed home and attended Purdue University, located just 35 miles (56 km) northwest of his hometown, in West Lafayette, Indiana to play basketball under head coach George King.
As a freshman, Mount was unable to play on the varsity team due to NCAA regulations then in effect. Rick scored 33 points in a scrimmage against the varsity team in front of 9,500 in attendance at Lambert Fieldhouse. He averaged 35 points a game while shooting 54.5 percent on the freshman squad, tallying 490 points.
1968-1969
In his junior season at Purdue, along with seniors Billy Keller and Herm Gilliam, he led the Boilermakers to a Big Ten Conference title and the school's first NCAA Tournament appearance, leading to the NCAA Finals game where they eventually lost to a Lew Alcindor-led UCLA.
In a win against Marquette to bring the Boilers to the Final Four, Mount is remembered for his "leaping lofter" game-winning shot with two seconds left in overtime. He led all scorers in the tournament with a 40.6 point average in Purdue's three games. Purdue led the nation with 94.8 points a game during the 1968-69 season fronted by Mount's 33.3 a game, in effect beating Indiana 120-76 in the closing game of the regular season, becoming a school record for most points in a game.
Rick had a keen eye on telling if a goal wasn't balanced. He twice had officials adjust the same goal prior to the NCAA Finals game at Freedom Hall in Louisville, Kentucky. He went through the same procedure earlier in the season before a game at Iowa. He led Purdue to a 23-5 record on the season. He shot 51.5 percent on the season, whereas well-known scorers such as Pete Maravich and Calvin Murphy shot no better than 46 percent......... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Mount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Mount)
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I'm pretty sure the answer is Dave Schellhase. Dave went on to play in the briefly in the NBA.
I truly wish bracket busters was still around, it is a shame.
I live in Des Moines and would love to make a trip to the Uni Dome or Valpo to see that matchup. UNI has a great team this year.
More importantly, my wife went to "Stone Cold" SFA, which is an extemely well coached, fundamentally sound team. That would be a wonderful matchup and an awesome roadtrip to Valpo or Nacodoches.
Valparaiso received 4 votes in the USA Coaches Poll, which gives them the ranking of #41: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/ (http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/)
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 19, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
I truly wish bracket busters was still around, it is a shame.
I live in Des Moines and would love to make a trip to the Uni Dome or Valpo to see that matchup. UNI has a great team this year.
More importantly, my wife went to "Stone Cold" SFA, which is an extemely well coached, fundamentally sound team. That would be a wonderful matchup and an awesome roadtrip to Valpo or Nacodoches.
Since it was always televised, the bracketbuster game was always very well attended. Also provided a way to boost RPI a bit without much penalty and provided a good return trip in following years.
Also awesome getting 4 votes. Guess the voters, bolded are my guesses.
List of Voters
The USA TODAY Sports Board of Coaches is made up of 32 head coaches at Division I institutions. All are members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. The board for the 2014-15 season: Tommy Amaker, Harvard; Randy Bennett, Saint Mary?s; Jim Boeheim, Syracuse; Todd Bozeman, Morgan State; Glenn Braica, St. Francis Brooklyn;
Rick Byrd, Belmont; Scott Cherry, High Point; Tim Cluess, Iona; Ed Conroy, Tulane; Keith Dambrot, Akron;
Scott Drew, Baylor; Matt Driscoll, North Florida Steve Fisher, San Diego State; Bruiser Flint, Drexel; Mark Fox, Georgia; John Gallagher, Hartford; Ray Harper, Western Kentucky; Dick Hunsaker, Utah Valley;
George Ivory, Arkansas-Pine Bluff; Ben Jacobson, Northern Iowa;
Rob Jeter, Wisconsin-Milwaukee; Danny Kaspar, Texas State; Mike McConathy, Northwestern State; Greg McDermott, Creighton; Matt Painter, Purdue; Dave Paulsen, Bucknell; Randy Rahe, Weber State; Joe Scott, Denver; Herb Sendek, Arizona State; Shaka Smart, Virginia Commonwealth; Bob Williams, UC-Santa Barbara; Mike Young, Wofford.
One off Buck Futler. As long as we stay above TCU and St. John's, I don't have to listen to crap from my friends that graduated from those schools. Same with Arkansas, which has 29 votes, we need to get ahead of them so this trash talk can stop :). TCU came back to Earth after playing a crappy OOC schedule. It was crap that they were ever ranked in the 20's throughout OOC.
Quote from: valpopal on January 19, 2015, 12:38:56 PM
Valparaiso received 4 votes in the USA Coaches Poll, which gives them the ranking of #41: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/ (http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/)
First Horizon League votes in the Coaches' Poll this season! Nice!
And 4 votes! Either somebody votes us 22nd, or we had more than one coach go for us!
The AP votes seem to be public, if maybe not easily searchable. Is there access to the individual coach voting info?
Wouldn't be surprised if Amaker, Hunsaker or even Painter gave Valpo a vote as well. I strongly doubt that Mr. Potato Head would give a non-big time program like Valpo a vote.
Maybe we got a 24 vote between Scott Drew and Jeter while the Arkansas-Pine Bluff coach voted us 25th?
Does it work like that?
Yes, depending on precisely what you meant. 1 point for a #25 vote, 2 points for a #24, etc. So, a 24 and a pair of 25's would do it.
Definitely got votes from multiple coaches. FYI, there's a former Valpo assistant coach on there, that is not highlighted.
and in the "Regular" Mid-Major Top 25 poll
1. Gonzaga (31) 18-1 775 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State 16-2 741 2 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa 16-2 705 3 Missouri Valley
4. Stephen F. Austin 14-3 648 5 Southland
5. Green Bay 15-4 626 4 Horizon
6. Valparaiso 17-3 622 6 Horizon
7. Saint Mary's 15-3 606 7 West Coast
8. Murray State 15-4 520 15 Ohio Valley
Cleveland State got enough points (5) to make it in at #51. tied with the Catamounts of Vermont.
Murray State and Eastern Kentucky are our only opponents in the poll...
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Definitely got votes from multiple coaches. FYI, there's a former Valpo assistant coach on there, that is not highlighted.
Huh- the name's not jumping out at me. When did he coach?
Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2015, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: chef on January 20, 2015, 02:48:08 AM
Definitely got votes from multiple coaches. FYI, there's a former Valpo assistant coach on there, that is not highlighted.
Huh- the name's not jumping out at me. When did he coach?
Matt Driscoll was an assistant at Valpo and then went to Baylor with Scott Drew.
Quote from: a3uge on January 19, 2015, 12:59:03 PMMatt Driscoll
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Quote from: usc4valpo on January 19, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
I truly wish bracket busters was still around, it is a shame.
I live in Des Moines and would love to make a trip to the Uni Dome or Valpo to see that matchup. UNI has a great team this year.
More importantly, my wife went to "Stone Cold" SFA, which is an extemely well coached, fundamentally sound team. That would be a wonderful matchup and an awesome roadtrip to Valpo or Nacodoches.
Since it was always televised, the bracketbuster game was always very well attended. Also provided a way to boost RPI a bit without much penalty and provided a good return trip in following years.
Also awesome getting 4 votes. Guess the voters, bolded are my guesses.
List of Voters
The USA TODAY Sports Board of Coaches is made up of 32 head coaches at Division I institutions. All are members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. The board for the 2014-15 season: Tommy Amaker, Harvard; Randy Bennett, Saint Mary?s; Jim Boeheim, Syracuse; Todd Bozeman, Morgan State; Glenn Braica, St. Francis Brooklyn; Rick Byrd, Belmont; Scott Cherry, High Point; Tim Cluess, Iona; Ed Conroy, Tulane; Keith Dambrot, Akron; Scott Drew, Baylor; Matt Driscoll, North Florida Steve Fisher, San Diego State; Bruiser Flint, Drexel; Mark Fox, Georgia; John Gallagher, Hartford; Ray Harper, Western Kentucky; Dick Hunsaker, Utah Valley; George Ivory, Arkansas-Pine Bluff; Ben Jacobson, Northern Iowa; Rob Jeter, Wisconsin-Milwaukee; Danny Kaspar, Texas State; Mike McConathy, Northwestern State; Greg McDermott, Creighton; Matt Painter, Purdue; Dave Paulsen, Bucknell; Randy Rahe, Weber State; Joe Scott, Denver; Herb Sendek, Arizona State; Shaka Smart, Virginia Commonwealth; Bob Williams, UC-Santa Barbara; Mike Young, Wofford.
Matt Driscoll was on Scott's staff for a short period of time at VU and then I think he went with him to Baylor.
This getting votes in the Top 25 stuff is nice but it means nothing if we don't beat YSU tonight. No easy road games in any league. If we want to have a chance to win this league we can't afford a stumble tonight.
Paul
Quote from: valpopal on January 20, 2015, 09:11:43 AMMatt Driscoll was an assistant at Valpo and then went to Baylor with Scott Drew.
Cool. For seven weeks, according to wikipedia. So, presumably much more a Scott Drew guy than a Valpo guy - but still good fun.
(Part of my trouble was I was looking at the wrong list! Of Midmajor Top 25 voters. But, I don't remember his name anyhow.)
If we are able to win these next 2 game we have a shot at being ranked sometime before the end of the season.
This team is very, very, very good. We beat the 2 best defensive teams in the league basically without a PG, and one of the best PGs in the league, our defense hasn't suffered as well. Both WSU and CSU had good starting PGs and both were rather ineffective, Arcenaux didn't do much and other than some incredibly deep 3s by Lee he was pretty quiet. I'm hoping KC will be back for the GB game, I am doubtful though, cause Sykes will be the true test to how good our defense is minus KC.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 20, 2015, 10:34:06 AMI'm hoping KC will be back for the GB game, I am doubtful though, cause Sykes will be the true test to how good our defense is minus KC.
Trying to read the tea leaves, from the post-game with Luke Gore, and the preview with Bryce, sounds like about a 0% chance we'll see KC in the game on Friday.
The Mizzou game haunts us. Fifteen point loss to a team that is horrible. Lost by 49 points to Kentucky and may even be in the bottom half of RPI.
chef, is the answer to your trivia question about the non-highlighted former Valpo assistant coach, North Florida's Matt Driscoll, whom I believe was an assistant under Scott Drew in the 2002-2003 season?
Just a guess, but I think we'll move up. Couple our 18th win win Dayton getting drilled by Davidson--by 17, should result in a move to the top 10!
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Quote from: valpopal on January 20, 2015, 09:11:43 AMMatt Driscoll was an assistant at Valpo and then went to Baylor with Scott Drew.
Cool. For seven weeks, according to wikipedia. So, presumably much more a Scott Drew guy than a Valpo guy - but still good fun.
(Part of my trouble was I was looking at the wrong list! Of Midmajor Top 25 voters. But, I don't remember his name anyhow.)
I was in the ATL airport over Thanksgiving break and saw the N. Florida team at my gate. I decided to look at their roster, schedule and coaches via internet. I noticed their coach had a short stint in Valpo. I decided to introduce myself and talk to him. Coach Driscoll was very nice and welcoming. He mentioned he was only there for 7 weeks. He's still really good friends with Scott Drew. What he remembered about Valpo was he would eat at Duffy's restaurant every day. I think it was Duffy's. It was the restaurant that the Drew's owned.
I think that was a wing place on the north side of town. In that location now is Shoe's Pizza. Someone will correct me if (when) I'm wrong.
How long has the bar Duffy's been Duffy's? Maybe that was called Jackson's at the time?
Quote from: HC on January 21, 2015, 07:43:03 AM
I think that was a wing place on the north side of town. In that location now is Shoe's Pizza. Someone will correct me if (when) I'm wrong.
Buffalouies? I've always wondered where it was. Not sure if it and I were ever in Valpo at the same time. I know it from the basketball broadcasts primarily.
And, yes , I think Duffy's is the old Jackson's. I always have trouble remembering that name. Used to featur in Brockopp's Sunday evening sermons, as did Passtimes.
Neat that Driscoll was open to some random reminiscing with a stranger!
You guys have the right names, except I can't picture him eating breakfast "every day" at either place. For one thing I don't think Buffalouie's served breakfast. They were strictly a wings place. Duffy's is a tavern, not a bar and grill. They may serve breakfast, but I would be surprised if he would want to mix with the breakfast crowd over there every morning.
Could he have said Jimmy's? Jimmy's Cafe is all about breakfast and is quite popular with the college crowd.
Quote from: wh on January 21, 2015, 08:42:24 AM
You guys have the right names, except I can't picture him eating breakfast "every day" at either place. For one thing I don't think Buffalouie's served breakfast. They were strictly a wings place. Duffy's is a tavern, not a bar and grill. They may serve breakfast, but I would be surprised if he would want to mix with the breakfast crowd over there every morning.
Could he have said Jimmy's? Jimmy's Cafe is all about breakfast and is quite popular with the college crowd.
This is probably it, and he might be blending names together. I would always see KVW and Johnson and other players in there.
Quote from: wh on January 21, 2015, 08:42:24 AMYou guys have the right names, except I can't picture him eating breakfast "every day" at either place. For one thing I don't think Buffalouie's served breakfast. They were strictly a wings place. Duffy's is a tavern, not a bar and grill. They may serve breakfast, but I would be surprised if he would want to mix with the breakfast crowd over there every morning. Could he have said Jimmy's? Jimmy's Cafe is all about breakfast and is quite popular with the college crowd.
No, it wasn't Jimmy's. That is a Greek family restaurant. I had a couple classes with the two siblings at VU. Coach Driscoll said he always had dinner at the restaurant that the Drew's owned. Did they ever own a restaurant in town?
Bryce was a part owner at BuffaLouie's. Yes, it was on the north side of town where Shoe's Pizzeria is now located.
And yes, Duffy's used to be Jacksons. It has been Duffy's probably for at least 15 years.
I would not go there for breakfast. Jimmy's is a popular small restaurant on Michigan St., half a block south of Lincolnway.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 21, 2015, 07:01:40 AMWhat he remembered about Valpo was he would eat at Duffy's restaurant every day. I think it was Duffy's. It was the restaurant that the Drew's owned.
Quote from: wh on January 21, 2015, 08:42:24 AMYou guys have the right names, except I can't picture him eating breakfast "every day" at either place. For one thing I don't think Buffalouie's served breakfast. They were strictly a wings place. Duffy's is a tavern, not a bar and grill. They may serve breakfast, but I would be surprised if he would want to mix with the breakfast crowd over there every morning. Could he have said Jimmy's? Jimmy's Cafe is all about breakfast and is quite popular with the college crowd.
How did we get to breakfast? All that was stated is that Driscoll would eat at the restaurant owned by the Drew's everyday. I don't think it was mentioned that he would eat every meal everyday at the restaurant.
Good memories of Jackson's and Passtimes!
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 21, 2015, 07:01:40 AMQuote from: agibson on January 20, 2015, 10:29:36 AMQuote from: valpopal on January 20, 2015, 09:11:43 AMMatt Driscoll was an assistant at Valpo and then went to Baylor with Scott Drew.
Cool. For seven weeks, according to wikipedia. So, presumably much more a Scott Drew guy than a Valpo guy - but still good fun. (Part of my trouble was I was looking at the wrong list! Of Midmajor Top 25 voters. But, I don't remember his name anyhow.)
I was in the ATL airport over Thanksgiving break and saw the N. Florida team at my gate. I decided to look at their roster, schedule and coaches via internet. I noticed their coach had a short stint in Valpo. I decided to introduce myself and talk to him. Coach Driscoll was very nice and welcoming. He mentioned he was only there for 7 weeks. He's still really good friends with Scott Drew. What he remembered about Valpo was he would eat at Duffy's restaurant every day. I think it was Duffy's. It was the restaurant that the Drew's owned.
I believe that would have been Buffalouie's on N. Calumet Ave. And one chef, that sometimes posts here, was running that establishment. ;)
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We took a step back after losing to Woogie Boogie.
I have been watching stone cold SFA and they are an extremely well coached team. I would love to see that matchup.
"Stays" at 13. Too many similarly named polls! This is the bloggers poll, more or less. Seems to come out monday mornings. I suppose it's our equivalent of the AP poll?
The longer-standing Mid-Major Top 25, by College Insider (of CIT fame), the coaches' poll, comes out later today. Maybe early evening? I suspect we probably don't move too much there either. But, it's sometimes hard to predict (looks like basically chalk in the MVC and WCC, so maybe not much motion?). We're 6th their at the moment.
Maybe it costs us our votes in the overall, ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll. Maybe depends on who was paying attention. But, for at least those 1-4 coaches, we were at least a notch ahead of GB. And, we've confirmed that, on the night, we weren't two notches (or whatever it takes to overcome road/home differences) better than them.
Speaking of confusion with the Mid-Major Top 25. I completely missed that Whelliston took down the archive a midmajority.com. Did we have a memorial service?
Yeah, we lost the ESPN votes. And UWGB picked up an AP vote, for the second time this season. This time good for T40.
Any sleuths want to do the detective work? Is there one AP writer who's been supporting the Horizon League on and off this season?
Quote from: agibson on January 26, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
Yeah, we lost the ESPN votes. And UWGB picked up an AP vote, for the second time this season. This time good for T40.
Any sleuths want to do the detective work? Is there one AP writer who's been supporting the Horizon League on and off this season?
UWGB's vote came from John Feinstein. He also voted for Valpo a few weeks back before the Oakland loss.
Quote from: agibson on January 26, 2015, 11:54:27 AMSpeaking of confusion with the Mid-Major Top 25. I completely missed that Whelliston took down the archive a midmajority.com. Did we have a memorial service?
Not sure there ever was such a ritual, but it was intentionally shut down a week after Dayton lost in the Elite 8 last year. Kyle did come out of hiding to live tweet that game, exhorting his followers to get serious with the "I believe" chant on twitter.
He gave all the writers a week to download all their own articles into a form that could then be published on their own blog. I still have mine and haven't found time to do it yet, but since it was his website and it had really run its course for him, he felt justified in shutting it down. I think the midmajority still lives on, but the website was euthenised.
It was really was a mixed bag for Kyle. He surely loved his subscribers and all the writers who "got it", but he came to loathe the semantic arguments over what exactly "mid-major" means, etc. Also, the reason why Season 8-10 were handled by others is because seasons 1-7 almost killed him financially and medically. He may have just wanted to put it to rest and let the rest of us take our own turn to make our own version. He also found that he had lost what it was really all about: love of the game for the game's sake.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 26, 2015, 03:33:36 PMHe gave all the writers a week to download all their own articles into a form that could then be published on their own blog. I still have mine and haven't found time to do it yet, but since it was his website and it had really run its course for him, he felt justified in shutting it down. I think the midmajority still lives on, but the website was euthenised.
I didn't even think about the angle. I suppose I did have one game report up there somewhere myself.
Of course, in the internet era, nothing ever really disappears. Surely the Wayback Machine still has the full archive (I suppose it does depend a little on how it was posted... but everything I remember seemed relatively easy for a web crawler to get at...).
My interest certainly waned when the site went "crowd source" with basically 0 content from Kyle. Hence me note even noticing the site disappeared until nine months later.
But, an interesting move to take it all down. Very Whelliston, in its way. Poetic social commentary and such.
An amazing site in its day, an amazing odyssey, an amazing journey.
Quote from: zvillehaze on January 26, 2015, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 26, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
Yeah, we lost the ESPN votes. And UWGB picked up an AP vote, for the second time this season. This time good for T40.
Any sleuths want to do the detective work? Is there one AP writer who's been supporting the Horizon League on and off this season?
UWGB's vote came from John Feinstein. He also voted for Valpo a few weeks back before the Oakland loss.
How'd you get the info so quick? It seems like a couple of weeks ago it was easy to google a site with some of this info, but not in an easily searchable format.
And, at the moment, I'm not googling much at all.
In any case, thanks for the info!
Edit: answering my own question, as a little google-fu is restored. http://collegepolltracker.com (http://collegepolltracker.com) here we go...
But they're new to the game. Just this year, and the post-season poll last season. There must be other resources? Which I'm still not laying my finger on... I'd love to check 2014 (UWGB) and 2013 (Valpo).
But, for 2014-2015:
Right, John Feinstein. Apparently he's known for this #25 habit.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Poll-Dancing-Examining-John-Feinstein-s-bizarre?urn=ncaab,215558 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Poll-Dancing-Examining-John-Feinstein-s-bizarre?urn=ncaab,215558)
And, indeed, it was he who voted us #25 in week 7, and UWGB #25 this week.
But, back in week 10, it was Doug Doughty Roanoke Times (VA) that voted UWGB #23! (Now his name's seeming familiar too...)
Quote from: agibson on January 26, 2015, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 26, 2015, 03:33:36 PMHe gave all the writers a week to download all their own articles into a form that could then be published on their own blog. I still have mine and haven't found time to do it yet, but since it was his website and it had really run its course for him, he felt justified in shutting it down. I think the midmajority still lives on, but the website was euthenised.
I didn't even think about the angle. I suppose I did have one game report up there somewhere myself.
Of course, in the internet era, nothing ever really disappears. Surely the Wayback Machine still has the full archive (I suppose it does depend a little on how it was posted... but everything I remember seemed relatively easy for a web crawler to get at...).
My interest certainly waned when the site went "crowd source" with basically 0 content from Kyle. Hence me note even noticing the site disappeared until nine months later.
But, an interesting move to take it all down. Very Whelliston, in its way. Poetic social commentary and such.
An amazing site in its day, an amazing odyssey, an amazing journey.
I think he also felt it was time for it be replaced by something new, like a new phase. I think one of the other things that he'd grown tired of was how a lot of us had this kind of class-struggle attitude about being mid-major and he felt that was not what he had in mind.
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Is Murrary St. really ranked higher than us? Wasn't much of a game when we played them.
Quote from: covufan on January 21, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 21, 2015, 07:01:40 AMWhat he remembered about Valpo was he would eat at Duffy's restaurant every day. I think it was Duffy's. It was the restaurant that the Drew's owned.
Quote from: wh on January 21, 2015, 08:42:24 AMYou guys have the right names, except I can't picture him eating breakfast "every day" at either place. For one thing I don't think Buffalouie's served breakfast. They were strictly a wings place. Duffy's is a tavern, not a bar and grill. They may serve breakfast, but I would be surprised if he would want to mix with the breakfast crowd over there every morning. Could he have said Jimmy's? Jimmy's Cafe is all about breakfast and is quite popular with the college crowd.
How did we get to breakfast? All that was stated is that Driscoll would eat at the restaurant owned by the Drew's everyday. I don't think it was mentioned that he would eat every meal everyday at the restaurant.
Good memories of Jackson's and Passtimes!
Pass Times is now Stacks (library motif).
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 26, 2015, 08:33:01 PM
Is Murrary St. really ranked higher than us? Wasn't much of a game when we played them.
Murray State hasn't lost since their game against Valpo. That was a heck of a great game played by Valpo. Murray State didn't shoot well at all in that game. Would Valpo want their ranking decided by the results of the Missouri, New Mexico and Oakland games? I don't think you can rank Murray State solely based on that Valpo game in Nashville.
I noticed that Murray St plays E. Kentucky this Thursday night at the CFSB Center in Murray. Murray, as was mentioned, is undefeated since their loss to Valpo at the Music City Challenge. EKU has lost 3 out of 4 with losses to E. Illinois, Jacksonville St. and Tennessee Tech. Since the OVC is a larger conference this is the only meeting between Murray & EKU. Just like Wright State, Murray had no problem with Belmont, as the Racers beat the Bruins 92-77 in Kentucky in their only meeting.
EDIT:
Eastern Kentucky 78
Murray St 85 OT
Very tight OVC game in Murray, KY. Racers stay undefeated since the Valpo game.
Don't look now but Valpo is looking to be the #3 team in the state right now. We have no hope of catching Notre Dame since they just knocked off Duke and are ranked #13 in KenPom. Butler would also be a tough get at #22, but while we sit at #52 another school, namely the Hoosiers have come down to #50 after two straight losses in Big 10 play. February 8th could be the day we pass them as I doubt beating UIC will help vault us over IU. Elsewhere in the state, Purdue is currently sitting at #65. It's quite possible after being shut out last season, the state could have 5 teams in the big dance.
Here's a look at each team in the state via KenPom.
#13- Notre Dame
#22- Butler
#50- Indiana
#52- Valpo
#65- Purdue
#97- Evansville
#180- Indiana St.
#227- IPFW
#241- IUPUI
(I feel like I'm missing someone)
IU is down Hanner Mosquera for a few weeks, and potentially lost another roster player. This could play to our favor, but we just need to keep winning games to help our postseason case. The postseason is in our hands only. We shouldn't rely on others to decide our position.
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 30, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
Don't look now but Valpo is looking to be the #3 team in the state right now. We have no hope of catching Notre Dame since they just knocked off Duke and are ranked #13 in KenPom. Butler would also be a tough get at #22, but while we sit at #52 another school, namely the Hoosiers have come down to #50 after two straight losses in Big 10 play. February 8th could be the day we pass them as I doubt beating UIC will help vault us over IU. Elsewhere in the state, Purdue is currently sitting at #65. It's quite possible after being shut out last season, the state could have 5 teams in the big dance.
Here's a look at each team in the state via KenPom.
#13- Notre Dame
#22- Butler
#50- Indiana
#52- Valpo
#65- Purdue
#97- Evansville
#180- Indiana St.
#227- IPFW
#241- IUPUI
(I feel like I'm missing someone)
Ball State
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 30, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 30, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
Don't look now but Valpo is looking to be the #3 team in the state right now. We have no hope of catching Notre Dame since they just knocked off Duke and are ranked #13 in KenPom. Butler would also be a tough get at #22, but while we sit at #52 another school, namely the Hoosiers have come down to #50 after two straight losses in Big 10 play. February 8th could be the day we pass them as I doubt beating UIC will help vault us over IU. Elsewhere in the state, Purdue is currently sitting at #65. It's quite possible after being shut out last season, the state could have 5 teams in the big dance.
Here's a look at each team in the state via KenPom.
#13- Notre Dame
#22- Butler
#50- Indiana
#52- Valpo
#65- Purdue
#97- Evansville
#180- Indiana St.
#227- IPFW
#241- IUPUI
(I feel like I'm missing someone)
Ball State
Hah, of course. #218
Murray State stays undefeated since their loss to Valpo.
Eastern Kentucky 78
Murray St 85 OT
Very tight OVC game in Murray, KY.
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2015, 07:47:56 PM
Murray State stays undefeated since their loss to Valpo.
Eastern Kentucky 78
Murray St 85 OT
Very tight OVC game in Murray, KY.
Watched that game on ESPNU. Murray state had no business winning that - they were down 10 the whole game and tied it with a 3 with 30 sec left. But they're fun to watch. I will definitely root for them going forward.
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Also picked up one. Vote in the AP top 25!
Edit: and apparently a vote in the coaches poll as well
And... yes... it was John Feinstein, shifting his vote from Green Bay to us. But also some coach!
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Okay which one is it? Are we #6 or #11??
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 02, 2015, 09:39:59 PM
Okay which one is it? Are we #6 or #11??
I would say that the College Insider poll is much more important. Look at whose voting for one. Second, remember that they run a post season tourney and would definitely include those teams near the top.
Feinstein sticks with us for another week... One AP vote, again.
Quite a bit of motion in that Mid-Major blogger Power Poll.
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2015/2/9/8004173/mid-major-madness-power-15-vcu-drops-stephen-f-austin-continues-to (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2015/2/9/8004173/mid-major-madness-power-15-vcu-drops-stephen-f-austin-continues-to)
We pass up St. Mary's and Green Bay, LA Tech drops way down, but Rhode Island passes us. Net result, 11 --> 9. (Still trailing Murray State, now at #5. Maybe we can settle it in the NCAA?)
Well, well, well! Make that _7_ points in the coaches' poll. Good for 38th. Ahead of Rhode Island. No sign of Harvard... but still behind Murray State.
I get all the complaining about Mizzou, but the whole "early in the season" cuts both ways. we also demolished Murray in the first month too, and I bet they'd LOVE another crack at us...
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I've not figured out what the player, or image, has to do with the ranking or week. But, I do like the photos and the baseball card feel!
The ranking's OK too ;)
Looks like not much changed this week. We got a little closer to Murray State, and a little further away from to Green Bay. But no rankings changed in the top 8.
Cleveland State still #32. Greg Kampe still, to his credit I guess?, not voting for his own team.
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2015, 12:56:50 PM
Well, well, well! Make that _7_ points in the coaches' poll. Good for 38th. Ahead of Rhode Island. No sign of Harvard... but still behind Murray State.
Those punk @$$ Rams and their ending a potential Elite 8 run
Wonder how many votes we'll get after we trounce GB and UWM!
A solid win over UWGB may well boost us up a bit, against Murray State, in the mid major coaches' poll.
Not sure how much the national voters (AP, national coaches) follow the mid-major results in detail. I don't know if it's just our record continuing to tick along at 4 losses that wins us votes, or they actually see the results.
I know that Murray State has not lost since we gave them a wake up call, but the OVC is ranked below the Summit League. We would probably run the table in the OVC. Their best win is projected to be Illinois State. We should overtake them in RPI.
Quote from: FWalum on February 10, 2015, 02:04:14 PMWe should overtake them in RPI.
Your argument's probably sound, but somehow it wasn't clicking with my intuition. But, indeed, rpiforecast.com supports you. If we both win out the regular season, it has our expected RPI at 50.2 and theirs at 57.2. But, rpiforecast sees that as a more probable outcome for Murray State, so it's overall average has them finishing the regular season a notch ahead of us, 67.5 to 69.1.
I'd have to check their conference tournament forecast to make a decent guess as to how it'll change after the regular season. Probably the momentum continues in our direction, unless maybe they'd also only play two games, and on a neutral court vs. our home court games.
The RPI numbers may carry a little weight with the selection committee. And _surely_ the head-to-head result will. I don't know how much they'll affect voters for the writers' and coaches' polls, two losses in the Horizon vs. zero in the OVC? Undefeated has a certain "anything's possible" feel, admittedly... But, what do those polls matter, in the end?
Update: February 9th, 2015
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (31) 24-1 775 1 West Coast
2. Northern Iowa 22-2 741 2 Missouri Valley
3. Wichita State 21-3 709 3 Missouri Valley
4. Stephen F. Austin 19-3 675 4 Southland
5. Murray State 21-4 630 5 Ohio Valley
6. Valparaiso 22-4 610 6 Horizon
7. Green Bay 19-5 582 7 Horizon
8. Wofford 20-5 553 8 Southern
9. Saint Mary's 18-5 549 10 West Coast
10. Harvard 15-5 494 11 Ivy League
11. Yale 16-7 413 9 Ivy League
12. Eastern Washington 18-5 406 12 Big Sky
13. UC Davis 18-4 352 14 Big West
14. Sacramento State 16-6 336 15 Big Sky
15. BYU 18-8 311 13 West Coast
16. Sam Houston State 18-5 269 16 Southland
17. Iona 18-6 232 21 Metro Atlantic
18. Florida Gulf Coast 17-7 227 20 Atlantic Sun
19. Central Michigan 16-5 151 18 Mid-American
20. Albany 16-7 126 25 America East
21. Bowling Green 15-6 122 NR Mid-American
22. North Dakota State 17-7 77 NR Summit
23. UL-Monroe 16-8 72 NR Sun Belt
24. Belmont 15-9 70 19 Ohio Valley
25. Georgia Southern 16-5 60 23 Sun Belt
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Akron 49, Toledo 48, North Carolina Central 43, Buffalo 36, USC Upstate 33, Georgia State 32, Cleveland State 29, Evansville 25, Eastern Kentucky 24, Coastal Carolina 23, Pepperdine 23, Rider 20, Kent State 18, South Dakota State 18, High Point 16, North Florida 14, William & Mary 13, NJIT 11, Illinois State 10, St Francis Brooklyn 10, UT-Martin 9, Radford 8, Portland 7, UC Irvine 6, Northeastern 4, New Mexico State 2, Alabama State 1, Norfolk State 1.
Update: February 2nd, 2015
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (30) 22-1 774 1 West Coast
2. Northern Iowa (1) 20-2 743 3 Missouri Valley
3. Wichita State 19-3 711 2 Missouri Valley
4. Stephen F. Austin 18-3 679 4 Southland
5. Murray State 19-4 626 6 Ohio Valley
6. Valparaiso 20-4 597 7 Horizon
7. Green Bay 17-5 581 5 Horizon
8. Wofford 18-5 561 9 Southern
9. Yale 15-6 525 10 Ivy League
10. Saint Mary's 17-5 419 8 West Coast
11. Harvard 13-5 405 12 Ivy League
12. Eastern Washington 16-5 402 13 Big Sky
13. BYU 15-7 383 14 West Coast
14. UC Davis 16-4 375 18 Big West
15. Sacramento State 15-6 263 20 Big Sky
16. Sam Houston State 16-5 247 17 Southland
17. Evansville 16-6 224 11 Missouri Valley
18. Central Michigan 15-4 201 15 Mid-American
19. Belmont 15-7 131 19 Ohio Valley
20. Florida Gulf Coast 167 119 21 Atlantic Sun
21. Iona 16-6 117 22 Metro Atlantic
22. High Point 17-5 107 NR Big South
23. Georgia Southern 15-4 96 NR Sun Belt
24. Akron 15-6 80 NR Mid-American
25. Albany 14-7 78 NR America East
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: South Dakota State 67, Radford 55, Georgia State 55, USC Upstate 46, North Carolina Central 41, Eastern Michigan 31, Cleveland State 28, Buffalo 27, Western Michigan 23, Kent State 21, North Florida 20, Pepperdine 19, Coastal Carolina 17, Hawaii 17, William & Mary 17, Indiana State 16, UC Irvine 15, Rider 14, Hofstra 12, Long Beach State 11, Norfolk State 11, Bowling Green 10, Eastern Kentucky 10, North Dakota State 10, UT-Martin 8, Illinois State 7, Toledo 7, Chattanooga 6, NJIT 6, Northeastern 4, New Mexico State 2, Alabama State 1, Bucknell 1, Robert Morris 1, St. Francis Brooklyn 1, UL-Monroe 1.
Update: January 26th, 2015
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (31) 20-1 775 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State 18-2 743 2 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa 18-2 709 3 Missouri Valley
4. Stephen F. Austin 16-3 678 4 Southland
5. Green Bay 17-4 637 5 Horizon
6. Murray State 17-4 591 8 Ohio Valley
7. Valparaiso 18-4 586 6 Horizon
8. Saint Mary's 16-4 558 7 West Coast
9. Wofford 16-5 523 10 Southern
10. Yale 15-5 427 12 Ivy League
11. Evansville 15-5 401 13 Missouri Valley
12. Harvard 11-5 398 9 Ivy League
13. Eastern Washington 15-5 380 14 Big Sky
14. BYU 15-7 377 11 West Coast
15. Central Michigan 14-3 273 24 Mid-American
16. Coastal Carolina 15-5 238 15 Big South
17. Sam Houston State 14-5 236 16 Southland
18. UC Davis 14-4 212 17 Big West
19. Belmont 13-7 137 20 Ohio Valley
20. Sacramento State 13-6 130 25 Big Sky
21. Florida Gulf Coast 14-7 119 22 Atlantic Sun
22. Iona 15-6 115 NR Metro Atlantic
23. Western Michigan 12-6 86 21 Mid-American
24. North Carolina Central 15-5 71 NR Mid-Eastern
25. Kent State 14-5 67 NR Mid-American
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Georgia Southern 65, North Florida 63, Akron 57, USC Upstate 43, Northeastern 41, Georgia State 35, Eastern Michigan 32, Cleveland State 28, Bowling Green 24, Buffalo 21, Chattanooga 19, Hawaii 18, South Dakota State 17, Indiana State 16, Albany 11, Rider 11, North Dakota State 10, UL-Lafayette 10, Alabama State 9, Hofstra 9, Pepperdine 9, William & Mary 8, Illinois State 7, Toledo 7, High Point 6, NJIT 6, Dartmouth 5, Eastern Illinois 4, Radford 4, UC Irvine 4, Eastern Kentucky 2, New Mexico State 2, Bucknell 1, Charleston Southern 1, Long Beach State 1, Robert Morris 1, UL-Monroe.
Update: January 12th, 2015
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (31) 16-1 772 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State 14-2 732 2 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa 14-2 679 3 Missouri Valley
4. Green Bay 14-3 670 4 Horizon
5. Stephen F. Austin 12-3 636 5 Southland
6. Valparaiso 16-3 623 6 Horizon
7. Saint Mary's 13-3 547 9 West Coast
8. Harvard 10-3 543 8 Ivy League
9. Wofford 13-4 503 11 Southern
10. BYU 14-5 463 7 West Coast
11. USC Upstate 13-4 391 15 Atlantic Sun
12. Evansville 12-4 372 10 Missouri Valley
13. Eastern Washington 12-4 321 19 Big Sky
14. Coastal Carolina 13-3 296 20 Big South
15. Murray State 13-4 292 23 Ohio Valley
16. Belmont 10-6 258 12 Ohio Valley
17. Yale 11-6 190 16 Ivy League
18. Eastern Michigan 11-4 184 14 Mid-American
19. UL-Lafayette 10-5 144 NR Sun Belt
20. Florida Gulf Coast 11-6 140 17 Atlantic Sun
21. Hofstra 13-4 132 NR Colonial
22. Central Michigan 11-2 116 21 Mid-American
23. Sam Houston State 11-4 103 NR Southland
24. Buffalo 10-4 86 22 Mid-American
25. UC Davis 12-3 70 NR Big West
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Georgia State 69, Toledo 68, Loyola Chicago 66, Iona 57, Northeastern 55, Pepperdine 52, Bowling Green 50, Eastern Kentucky 44, Akron 40, Illinois State 38, Georgia Southern 35, Portland 35, North Dakota State 31, Hawaii 27, San Francisco 21, Eastern Illinois 19, South Dakota State 16, UC Irvine 14, Indiana State 10, NJIT 10, Cleveland State 9, Western Michigan 9, Chattanooga 8, Wright State 8, Stony Brook 7, Ball State 6, High Point 5, Army 4, Kent State 3, North Carolina Central 3, Alabama State 1, Gardner Webb 1, Incarnate Word 1, Rider 1 .
Update: January 5th, 2015
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (31) 14-1 775 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State 12-2 715 3 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa 12-2 682 2 Missouri Valley
4. Green Bay 11-3 661 5 Horizon
5. Stephen F. Austin 11-3 641 6 Southland
6. Valparaiso 14-3 623 4 Horizon
7. BYU 13-4 557 7 West Coast
8. Harvard 8-3 549 8 Ivy League
9. Saint Mary's 11-3 523 10 West Coast
10. Evansville 11-3 463 9 Missouri Valley
11. Wofford 10-4 427 11 Southern
12. Belmont 9-5 420 12 Ohio Valley
13. Georgia State 9-4 404 13 Sun Belt
14. Eastern Michigan 11-2 337 14 Mid-American
15. USC Upstate 11-4 277 16 Atlantic Sun
16. Yale 10-5 274 17 Ivy League
17. Florida Gulf Coast 10-5 252 15 Atlantic Sun
18. Toledo 8-5 215 18 Mid-American
19. Eastern Washington 11-4 211 19 Big Sky
20. Coastal Carolina 11-3 139 22 Big South
21. Central Michigan 10-1 138 21 Mid-American
22. Buffalo 9-3 102 NR Mid-American
23. Murray State 11-4 91 NR Ohio Valley
24. Army 10-3 66 20 Patriot
25. Hawaii 12-4 55 NR Big West
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Akron 52, Northeastern 51, Loyola Chicago 44, Iona 33, UC Irvine 31, North Dakota State 29, Portland 28, Wright State 27, Sam Houston State 26, Kent State 24, Eastern Kentucky 22, Georgia Southern 19, UC Davis 18, Hofstra 17, Bowling Green 11, Illinois State 11, Louisiana Lafayette 10, Stony Brook 6, Chattanooga 4, Columbia 4, Lafayette 4, North Carolina Central 2, South Dakota State 2, Eastern Illinois 1, Monmouth 1, Sacramento State 1.
Update: December 29th, 2014
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (31) 12-1 775 1 West Coast
2. Northern Iowa 11-1 738 3 Missouri Valley
3. Wichita State 10-2 707 2 Missouri Valley
4. Valparaiso 12-2 639 8 Horizon
5. Green Bay 10-3 629 4 Horizon
6. Stephen F. Austin 9-3 606 7 Southland
7. BYU 10-4 577 5 West Coast
8. Harvard 7-3 554 6 Ivy League
9. Evansville 10-2 505 9 Missouri Valley
10. Saint Mary's 8-3 469 13 West Coast
11. Wofford 9-3 441 10 Southern
12. Belmont 8-5 397 11 Ohio Valley
13. Georgia State 7-4 385 12 Sun Belt
14. Eastern Michigan 11-2 308 20 Mid-American
15. Florida Gulf Coast 9-4 306 14 Atlantic Sun
16. USC Upstate 9-4 289 15 Atlantic Sun
17. Yale 9-4 271 16 Ivy League
18. Toledo 7-4 222 17 Mid-American
19. Eastern Washington 9-4 198 19 Big Sky
20. Army 9-2 166 21 Patriot
21. Central Michigan 9-1 126 24 Mid-American
22. Coastal Carolina 9-3 110 22 Big South
23. Portland 10-3 78 NR West Coast
24. Loyola Chicago 10-2 71 NR Missouri Valley
25. UC Davis 9-2 62 25 Big West
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Akron 61, Murray State 57, Iona 45, Stony Brook 33, Hawaii 30, Northeastern 28, Eastern Kentucky 24, UC Irvine 24, Buffalo 22, Georgia Southern 18, Kent State 14, Hofstra 11, Norfolk State 11, Sam Houston State 11, Incarnate Word 10, Wright State 10, Columbia 9, Radford 9, Illinois State 8, High Point 4, Chattanooga 2, ETSU 2, North Carolina Central 1, South Dakota State 1, Texas Southern 1.
Update: December 22nd, 2014
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (27) 11-1 769 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State (4) 8-1 746 2 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa 10-1 687 4 Missouri Valley
4. Green Bay 9-2 682 6 Horizon
5. BYU 9-3 637 7 West Coast
6. Harvard 7-2 616 3 Ivy League
7. Stephen F. Austin 9-3 581 8 Southland
8. Valparaiso 10-2 572 11 Horizon
9. Evansville 9-2 506 14 Missouri Valley
10. Wofford 9-2 486 13 Southern
11. Belmont 8-4 442 10 Ohio Valley
12. Georgia State 7-3 398 9 Sun Belt
13. Saint Mary's 6-3 344 5 West Coast
14. Florida Gulf Coast 9-2 341 17 Atlantic Sun
15. USC Upstate 9-4 326 22 Atlantic Sun
16. Yale 9-4 316 15 Ivy League
17. Toledo 7-4 261 20 Mid-American
18. Wright State 8-4 214 23 Horizon
19. Eastern Washington 8-4 206 16 Big Sky
20. Eastern Michigan 9-2 170 18 Mid-American
21. Army 8-2 122 25 Patriot
22. Coastal Carolina 9-3 114 21 Big South
23. Akron 7-4 75 12 Mid-American
24. Central Michigan 8-1 65 NR Mid-American
25. UC Davis 8-1 61 NR Big West
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Murray State 57, South Dakota State 48, Incarnate Word 42, Eastern Kentucky 33, Northeastern 20, Loyola Chicago 28, Western Michigan 22, Buffalo 20, Kent State 20, Iona 18, Portland 16, Hofstra 15, Illinois Statr 15, Hawaii 13, UC Santa Barbara 11, High Point 10, Northern Illinois 9, North Florida 7, Lafayette 5, Pepperdine 4, IPFW 3, William & Mary 3, Radford 2, Albany 2, San Diego 2, Columbia 1, UC Irvine 1.
Update: December 15th, 2014
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (27) 9-1 769 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State (4) 7-1 746 2 Missouri Valley
3. Harvard 7-1 685 4 Ivy League
4. Northern Iowa 9-1 681 3 Missouri Valley
5. Saint Mary's 6-1 644 7 West Coast
6. Green Bay 7-2 610 8 Horizon
7. BYU 8-3 569 6 West Coast
8. Stephen F. Austin 7-3 588 10 Southland
9. Georgia State 6-2 525 11 Sun Belt
10. Belmont 7-3 498 5 Ohio Valley
11. Valparaiso 10-2 429 15 Horizon
12. Akron 6-3 385 9 Mid-American
13. Wofford 8-2 363 17 Southern
14. Evansville 7-2 350 13 Missouri Valley
15. Yale 8-3 336 14 Ivy League
16. Eastern Washington 8-2 304 16 Big Sky
17. Florida Gulf Coast 8-2 292 12 Atlantic Sun
18. Eastern Michigan 8-1 240 22 Mid-American
19. Iona 6-3 211 19 Metro Atlantic
20. Toledo 5-4 159 20 Mid-American
21. Coastal Carolina 8-2 106 23 Big South
22. USC Upstate 8-3 110 21 Atlantic Sun
23. Wright State 7-4 78 NR Horizon
24. Northeastern 6-2 61 24 Colonial
25. Army 7-2 52 25 Patriot
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Incarnate Word 33, Towson 29, North Florida 27, UC Irvine 25, Western Michigan 25, Portland 23, UC Davis 20, Eastern Kentucky 22, Murray State 20, Hawaii 19, Hofstra 18, Central Michigan 16, Bowling Green 15, UC Santa Barbara 11, Buffalo 10, Illimois State 8, Holy Cross 6, Pepperdine 4, IPFW 3, William & Mary 3, Loyola MD 2, NJIT 2, Radford 2, Chattanooga 1, Detroit 1, UT-Martin 1.
Update: December 8th, 2014
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Gonzaga (28) 7-1 769 2 West Coast
2. Wichita State (2) 5-1 737 1 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa (1) 8-0 719 3 Missouri Valley
4. Harvard 6-1 624 5 Ivy League
5. Belmont 7-1 618 6 Ohio Valley
6. BYU 7-2 610 8 West Coast
7. Saint Mary's 5-1 569 4 West Coast
8. Green Bay 6-2 539 7 Horizon
9. Akron 6-2 497 9 Mid-American
10. Stephen F. Austin 6-3 491 10 Southland
11. Georgia State 6-2 481 11 Sun Belt
12. Florida Gulf Coast 8-1 414 16 Atlantic Sun
13. Evansville 7-1 382 15 Missouri Valley
14. Yale 8-2 359 25 Ivy League
15. Valparaiso 8-2 302 14 Horizon
16. Eastern Washington 7-1 289 18 Big Sky
17. Wofford 7-2 247 19 Southern
18. UC Irvine 4-3 245 12 Big West
19. Iona 4-3 187 12 Metro Atlantic
20. Toledo 4-4 158 21 Mid-American
21. USC Upstate 8-2 122 NR Atlantic Sun
22. Eastern Michigan 7-1 117 18 Mid-American
23. Coastal Carolina 6-2 101 NR Big South
24. Northeastern 6-2 51 23 Colonial
25. Army 6-1 43 NR Patriot
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: UC Santa Barbara 41, Western Michigan 37, Holy Cross 29, Pepperdine 29, Buffalo 26, NJIT 25, Bowling Green 22, Eastern Kentucky 22, Portland 19, James Madison 17, Cleveland State 16, Hofstra 15, Central Michigan 13, New Mexico State 13, Lafayette 10, ETSU 9, Murray State 8, Long Beach State 7, Georgia Southern 6, North Florida 6, Radford 6, Towson 6, Columbia 5, Illimois State 5, San Francisco 3, UC Davis 3, Detroit 2, Hawaii 2, Incarnate Word 2.
VOTING PANEL: Casey Alexander (Lipscomb), Randy Bennett (Saint Mary's), Horace Broadnax, Milan Brown (Holy Cross), Will Brown (Albany), Jim Les (UC Davis), Jamion Christian (Mount St. Mary's), Billy Donlon (Wright State), James Fox (Appalachian State), Tyler Geving (Portland State), Derrin Hansen (Nebraska-Omaha), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Willie Hayes (Alabama A&M), B.J. Hill (Northern Colorado), Jason Hooten (Sam Houston State), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), James Jones (Yale), Mike Jones (Radford), Robert Jones (Norfolk State), Greg Kampe (Oakland), Danny Kaspar (Texas State), Tod Kowalczyk (Toledo), Greg Lansing (Indiana State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Bob Marlin (UL-Lafayette), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jeff Neubauer (Eastern Kentucky), Rob O'Driscoll (James Madison), Jimmy Patsos (Siena), Ron Verlin (Pacific), Will Wade (Chattanooga).
Update: December 1st, 2014
RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1. Wichita State (25) 4-0 769 1 Missouri Valley
2. Gonzaga (6) 6-0 748 2 West Coast
3. Northern Iowa 7-0 706 4 Missouri Valley
4. Saint Mary's 5-0 632 6 West Coast
5. Harvard 4-1 629 5 Ivy League
6. Belmont 6-1 599 8 Ohio Valley
7. Green Bay 4-1 579 9 Horizon
8. BYU 5-2 545 3 West Coast
9. Akron 4-2 481 7 Mid-American
10. Stephen F. Austin 3-3 423 11 Southland
11. Georgia State 5-2 411 13 Sun Belt
12. Iona 4-2 399 12 Metro Atlantic
13. UC Irvine 3-2 361 18 Big West
14. Valparaiso 7-1 355 NR Horizon
15. Evansville 4-1 315 15 Missouri Valley
16. Florida Gulf Coast 6-1 314 16 Atlantic Sun
17. Western Michigan 5-2 213 17 Mid-American
18. Eastern Washington 6-1 193 NR Big Sky
19. Wofford 5-2 175 19 Southern
20. Eastern Michigan 6-0 162 NR Mid-American
21. Toledo 2-4 146 10 Mid-American
22. Cleveland State 3-3 111 21 Horizon
23. Northeastern 5-1 108 22 Colonial
24. Holy Cross 3-1 106 23 Patriot
25. Yale 6-2 87 25 Ivy League
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: William & Mary 48, Bowling Green 36, Long Beach State 33, Buffalo 32, Murray State 32, Army 31, Portland State 29, UC Santa Barbara 28, Eastern Kentucky 27, Central Michigan 24, Missouri State 23, Louisiana Lafayette 18, New Mexico State 14, UC Davis 14, Hofstra 11, Incarnate Word 11, Towson 11, Portland 10, Stony Brook 10, Columbia 8, Denver 8, North Dakota State 8, Hawaii 7, Illimois State 7, Charleston Southern 5, Georgia Southern 5, San Francisco 5, Quininipiac 4, UALR 4, Radford 2, Chattanooga 1, Gardner Webb 1, Western Carolina 1.
VOTING PANEL: Milan Brown (Holy Cross), Will Brown (Albany), Jim Les (UC Davis), Jamion Christian (Mount St. Mary's), Billy Donlon (Wright State), James Fox (Appalachian State), Tyler Geving (Portland State), Derrin Hansen (Nebraska-Omaha), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Willie Hayes (Alabama A&M), B.J. Hill (Northern Colorado), Jason Hooten (Sam Houston State), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), James Jones (Yale), Mike Jones (Radford), Robert Jones (Norfolk State), Greg Kampe (Oakland), Danny Kaspar (Texas State), Tod Kowalczyk (Toledo), Greg Lansing (Indiana State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Bob Marlin (UL-Lafayette), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jeff Neubauer (Eastern Kentucky), Rob O'Driscoll (James Madison), Jimmy Patsos (Siena), Ron Verlin (Pacific), Will Wade (Chattanooga).
Pardon the screen dump, but these maybe still aren't well archived anywhere.
Our high water mark was December 29. #4, with UWGB #5. Before Stephen F Austin edged us, and before Murray State climbed all the way from receiving votes (#27), bit by bit, to pass us up.
High water mark... until this week?
Quote from: agibson on February 15, 2015, 09:45:33 PMPardon the screen dump
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This. Is. Funny.
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We jump over VCU, and Stephen F. Austin who plummets on their loss.
That's VCU who was _nationally_ ranked last week at 20/21. They did pick up another loss, but hung in this week's AP at 25.
Harvard just makes it in to the MM power poll, as a new entrant. Despite Lunardi's high opinion.
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http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php (http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php)
I find it interesting that Cleveland State isn't getting a vote from either of the HL coaches despite the fact their record in the conference rivals that of GB and just a step behind Valpo.
Quote from: sliman on February 16, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
I find it interesting that Cleveland State isn't getting a vote from either of the HL coaches despite the fact their record in the conference rivals that of GB and just a step behind Valpo.
Maybe Waters has burned some bridges. "Four dead in Ohio" could mean tOSU, WSU, YSU
and CSU.
Will the Harvard of the Midwest face Lithgow's Valpo of New England? Will Bostonians say Valpo who? Where do you put all that snow? How do you get melted snow out to sea? Will that snow cause floods in the Atlantic Ocean? Isn't "pawk yer caw" what Logan Airport valets say?
Quote from: sliman on February 16, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
I find it interesting that Cleveland State isn't getting a vote from either of the HL coaches despite the fact their record in the conference rivals that of GB and just a step behind Valpo.
Funny. I was thinking, as I read the updated poll, "Huh, is that a slap in the face to CSU?". But, I'd forgotten Donlon was in on it too! I remembered Kampe, and probably was thinking the poll was one per conference. I assume that's mostly true? And maybe was true, when Kample was in the Summit? But, apparently, they let him stay on.
I imagine the double representation hasn't hurt the Horizon League teams any.
But, apparently, it's not been enough to help CSU or Oakland the last few weeks.
I personally wouldn't put CSU anywhere near my top 25 if I was a coach. They have 2 wins in the top 200 RPI schools and they are both at home vs. conference opponents. Their best win away from home is #213 Wright St. While I'm afraid we'll lose when we go there, I don't think they are a very good team. They've feasted on the HL bottom feeders and struggled away from the cozy confines of the Wolstein.
The top seven are rather little changed in this week's CollegeInsider Midmajor Top 25 coaches' poll. Almost the same number of points, certainly the same order. We're still #5. Green Bay fell from #8 to #10.
Cleveland State picked up some votes.. #31 or so.
It seems like most everyone here missed an article posted on midmajormadness.com. On their website, Bryce is named as one of the ten sexiest midmajor coaches in the country. I am not surprised that the basketball program has not sent out a formal press release about this.
(Had to correct the very unfortunate typo)
Quote from: vu84v2 on February 24, 2015, 12:47:45 PM
It seems like most everyone here missed an article posted on midmajormadness.com. On their website, Bryce is named as one of the ten sexist midmajor coaches in the country. I am not surprised that the basketball program has not sent out a formal press release about this.
Who would send out a press release for a sexist?
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So let me get this straight. We are ranked behind three teams in the top 11 nationally and a team we beat like a drum. I like it!!
Quote from: vu72 on February 24, 2015, 01:09:56 PM
So let me get this straight. We are ranked behind three teams in the top 11 nationally and a team we beat like a drum. I like it!!
Apparently we got lucky.
I -think- that, at times , the selection committee has specifically been invited to look at head-to-head results. With a dozen other factors.
Hopefully we'll find out!
Quote from: vu84v2 on February 24, 2015, 12:47:45 PM
It seems like most everyone here missed an article posted on midmajormadness.com. On their website, Bryce is named as one of the ten sexist midmajor coaches in the country. I am not surprised that the basketball program has not sent out a formal press release about this.
I did think about posting the "Alec Peters top 15 power forwards in the country " list. I didn't think about posting the Drew list. It was around twitter, I think. Maybe not @valpoathletics?
Quote from: Valpower on February 24, 2015, 01:00:21 PM
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It's like how much more black could this picture be? And the answer is none, none more black.
Oh come on, people. No other references at all to Nigel? This place can't be devoid of Spinal Tap fans, can it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46kXH6GGtT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46kXH6GGtT0)
OK, I'm done hijacking the thread. :thumbsup:
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 24, 2015, 04:33:18 PMOh come on, people. No other references at all to Nigel? This place can't be devoid of Spinal Tap fans, can it?
look dude i just got here and as soon as i read that i thought, oh i'm going to post that, and then you did.
so well played.
i declare you to be the patron saint of quality blogwear.
So I was wondering how we might match-up against the teams ranked ahead of us (Wichita State, UNI, Gonzaga and Murray State) We all know how well we played against Murray, but what about the others? We have a common opponent for Wichita State and UNI in the form of Drake, and a common opponent for Gonzaga in the form of Portland.
Here's what we know: We beat Portland by 15 and Gonzaga beat them by 12 and 18. We beat Drake by 20 and they lost to UNI by 16 and 8 and lost to Wichita State by 8 and...33!
On balance I guess it is fair to think that we could certainly hang with these top 11 teams. On a neutral court? Who knows... ???
Quote from: vu72 on February 25, 2015, 10:11:07 AM
So I was wondering how we might match-up against the teams ranked ahead of us (Wichita State, UNI, Gonzaga and Murray State) We all know how well we played against Murray, but what about the others? We have a common opponent for Wichita State and UNI in the form of Drake, and a common opponent for Gonzaga in the form of Portland.
Here's what we know: We beat Portland by 15 and Gonzaga beat them by 12 and 18. We beat Drake by 20 and they lost to UNI by 16 and 8 and lost to Wichita State by 8 and...33!
On balance I guess it is fair to think that we could certainly hang with these top 11 teams. On a neutral court? Who knows... ???
Massey has a tool to look at matchups. Here is Valpo/UNI:
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=267615&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=267615&t1=Northern+Iowa (http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=267615&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=267615&t1=Northern+Iowa)
You can change teams and location of game. You can also simulate a 3, 5, or 7 game series.
Quote from: covufan on February 25, 2015, 11:15:36 AMMassey has a tool to look at matchups. Here is Valpo/UNI:
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=267615&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=267615&t1=Northern+Iowa (http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=267615&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=267615&t1=Northern+Iowa)
You can change teams and location of game. You can also simulate a 3, 5, or 7 game series.
They have us as a 7 point underdog to Wichita St. Watched much of the Detroit vs Wichita St game (bracketbuster return) in mid December. Detroit played them close until very late. I have also seen parts of a couple other games and they are beatable.
I'd not noticed that the college insider folks did a post-season poll too. April 8, 2015. Valpo #6, SFA #4, Murray State #5, Green Bay #12, Iona #17.
1. Gonzaga (31) 35-3 775 1 West Coast
2. Wichita State 30-5 742 4 Missouri Valley
3. Northern Iowa 31-4 715 2 Missouri Valley
4. Stephen F. Austin 29-5 669 3 Southland
5. Murray State 29-6 610 5 Ohio Valley
6. Valparaiso 28-6 605 6 Horizon
7. Wofford 28-7 563 7 Southern
8. Harvard 22-8 554 9 Ivy League
9. BYU 25-10 512 8 West Coast
10. Buffalo 23-10 478 10 Mid-American
11. UC Davis 25-7 411 11 Big West
12. Green Bay 24-9 410 12 Horizon
13. Albany 24-9 363 13 America East
14. Eastern Washington 26-9 339 14 Big Sky
15. Yale 22-10 318 15 Ivy League
16. Georgia State 25-10 313 23 Sun Belt
17. Iona 26-9 304 16 Metro Atlantic
18. Sam Houston State 26-9 220 18 Southland
19. Saint Mary's 21-10 218 17 West Coast
20. North Florida 23-12 139 19 Atlantic Sun
21. Belmont 22-11 136 20 Ohio Valley
22. Central Michigan 23-9 121 21 Mid-American
23. UC Irvine 21-13 92 24 Big West
24. Northeastern 23-12 77 25 Colonial
25. Evansville 24-12 56 NR Missouri Valley
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: New Mexico State 51, Illinois State 38, NJIT 34, Coastal Carolina 22, Sacramento State 18, Northern Arizona 17, Eastern Michigan 15, Kent State 14, North Dakota State 14, Florida Gulf Coast 9, Charleston Southern 8, Loyola Chicago 8, Texas Southern 8, North Carolina Central 7, Toledo 7, Georgia Southern 6, South Dakota State 6, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 6, Saint Francis Brooklyn 5, Akron 4, UL-Monroe 4, USC Upstate 4, William & Mary 4, UL-Lafayette 3, Robert Morris 3, Bolwing Green 2, Eastern Kentucky 2, High Point 2, Lafayette 2, Manhattan 2, UT-Martin 2, Bucknell 1, Chattanooga 1, Montana 1, New Hampshire 1, Norfolk State 1, Rider 1, UMES 1, UNC Wilmington 1.
And before Vashil was confirmed as returning.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 11, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
And before Vashil was confirmed as returning.
That was based on the 2014-15 season - had nothing to do with predictions this year. Murray State and Northern Iowa won't be nearly as impressive.