Besides being ranked/RV, what can we expect to see from Oregon?
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2015, 08:22:04 AM
Besides being ranked/RV, what can we expect to see from Oregon?
They are big and experienced. We should have a very complete game plan in place seeing that Scott will certainly give Bryce all they keys for a win. It will take a very solid game from us to win at their place.
Anybody know of a place in Valoo , perhaps a VU- friendly establishment, that will be showing the game with sound?
Apart from the Super Bowl and such, is that even a thing? I know there are soccer bars (maybe not in Valpo) that will show some games with sound.
I suppose there will be NFL, maybe NHL games going on.
I guess the PAC 12 network isn't -so- common in Indiana.
Or, I've not checked, do they have any reasonable streaming option?
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2015, 08:22:04 AMwhat can we expect to see from Oregon?
I don't know when Pomeroy would suggest that his ratings mean anything, but, they're amusing to look at even this early.
He's got Oregon 24th at the moment, behind Louisville and Notre Dame, ahead of the likes of Wisconsin, Maryland, Butler. With us at 29th.
Oregon's offensive rating (adjusted for number of possessions, "tempo free"), at 109.9 (27th in the country), defense 93.7 (22nd in the country). Ours at 107.0 (58th in the country), defense at 92.0 (8th in the country). If I remember Pomeroy's definitions roughly correctly that would be a swing of... a point or less to Oregon, on a neutral court? But, home court advantage is big.
Massey has Oregon #19, us 44.(Without last night's results? But I'm not sure that matters much). Giving us a 21% chance to win the game. Oregon 9 point favorites?
RealTimeRPI's prediction engine (not, I think, based only on RPI) makes Oregon 7 point favorites, giving Valpo a 33% chance to win.
For what extremely little it's worth, Warren Nolan has Oregon T1 in RPI at the moment. Oakland at T4. We're way down at T11.
They are big and experienced.
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I watched their game against Baylor and they only had one player taller than 6'7" (Boucher, listed at 6'10", 200 lbs). But if your definition of big is strong/athletic and not about height, they have those guys. But not many, their rotation is very small currently with six guys averaging over 25 minutes per game. If we can get to the rim a lot and draw some fouls, we'll have a chance to challenge that depth. Their freshman Dorsey is the man to watch/stop, he can do it all. Limiting him will go a long way and I think we have the guys to do it. The more I think about this game the more I think we have a real chance at getting this big time win.
Quote from: agibson on November 20, 2015, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2015, 08:22:04 AMwhat can we expect to see from Oregon?
I don't know when Pomeroy would suggest that his ratings mean anything, but, they're amusing to look at even this early.
He's got Oregon 24th at the moment, behind Louisville and Notre Dame, ahead of the likes of Wisconsin, Maryland, Butler. With us at 29th.
Oregon's offensive rating (adjusted for number of possessions, "tempo free"), at 109.9 (27th in the country), defense 93.7 (22nd in the country). Ours at 107.0 (58th in the country), defense at 92.0 (8th in the country). If I remember Pomeroy's definitions roughly correctly that would be a swing of... a point or less to Oregon, on a neutral court? But, home court advantage is big.
Massey has Oregon #19, us 44.(Without last night's results? But I'm not sure that matters much). Giving us a 21% chance to win the game. Oregon 9 point favorites?
RealTimeRPI's prediction engine (not, I think, based only on RPI) makes Oregon 7 point favorites, giving Valpo a 33% chance to win.
I show that RealTimeRPI's engine (RTR GAMER) at 77-72 Oregon.
Teamrankings has our chances at winning at 30.1%. They also have this as our only predicted loss.
Sagarin has us at 7 point dogs.
I believe Pomeroy (have not paid for premium package) would predict the outcome at 73-71, Oregon.
If everyone was healthy, I'd say we have a good chance. I think we can beat them, but we need better than average games from everyone. We need to keep Oregon off the offensive boards.
Valpo 75
Ore 73
I still think that Scott and Baylor playing there a week before us is more than the most improbable of coincidences. Thoughts?
Baylor had to play a lot of man defense to get back in the game and if their zone wasn't holding Oregon in check then I wouldn't expect to see too much zone from us. Our man defense will need to be quick and they may be able to pull Vashil further from the basket than we would like. This could be anywhere from a narrow win to a 13 point loss but I see no reason why it shouldn't be very competitive.
We need to play under control and not get too fast moving that we turn the ball over, and let the Ducks run on us.
Also got to take 'good' threes -- and make them. I think our D will frustrate them a bit.
I'm concerned about not being able to put a pea in the ocean. If Valpo comes out shooting effeciently, I see this going in the Crusader's direction.
Watched the Baylor Oregon game and was very impressed with Oregon. Baylor made some extremely boneheaded plays that affected the outcome, but I thought Oregon was the better team. This will be an extremely difficult game to win. They were very physical with Baylor and ran their zone offense brilliantly causing the switch to man that Baylor did not handle well. Our man defense is better than Baylor's so we may be able to keep them from breaking the game wide open. We will have to shoot better and make better decisions (I am talking about taking the shot rather than making that "unselfish" pass that doesn't gain any advantage) than we have in any of our previous games in order to have a chance.
Quote from: covufan on November 20, 2015, 10:15:13 AMI show that RealTimeRPI's engine (RTR GAMER) at 77-72 Oregon.
Yeah, funny. The predicted result on the whole-season page is different from what you get if you click through (to the page where you get probability to win, etc.). One has a five point margin, the other seven. To different prediction engines, maybe.
Quote from: agibson on November 20, 2015, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: covufan on November 20, 2015, 10:15:13 AMI show that RealTimeRPI's engine (RTR GAMER) at 77-72 Oregon.
Yeah, funny. The predicted result on the whole-season page is different from what you get if you click through (to the page where you get probability to win, etc.). One has a five point margin, the other seven. To different prediction engines, maybe.
Ha! I've not clicked on the actual game prediction in awhile!
Quote from: FWalum on November 20, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
Watched the Baylor Oregon game and was very impressed with Oregon. Baylor made some extremely boneheaded plays that affected the outcome, but I thought Oregon was the better team. This will be an extremely difficult game to win. They were very physical with Baylor and ran their zone offense brilliantly causing the switch to man that Baylor did not handle well. Our man defense is better than Baylor's so we may be able to keep them from breaking the game wide open. We will have to shoot better and make better decisions (I am talking about taking the shot rather than making that "unselfish" pass that doesn't gain any advantage) than we have in any of our previous games in order to have a chance.
I also watched some of it. Oregon abused Baylor's zone by lobbing the ball to gaps in the low post for easy scores. When Baylor switched to man, they got beat several times on drives to the basket. Vashil is going to have to be at his intimidating best.
Vashil needs to stay out of foul trouble too. He may be able to get away with playing the last 16 min with 4 fouls against IPFW, but not Oregon. In that first game, he picked up 2 offensive fouls on moving screens. In the game against URI, he picked up a moving screen and a swim move foul. Jubril is a good backup, but we'll need Vashil down the stretch to get some stops at the end of the game.
I just checked the Pac 12 for tv coverage of the game. It will broadcast on PAC-12 OREGON, 379 on Time Warner here in Dallas. It also said you could see it on line at pac-12.com
I believe to watch it on pac-12.com, you have to subscribe to the network in your cable or satellite package?
Quote from: valporun on November 20, 2015, 03:09:16 PM
I believe to watch it on pac-12.com, you have to subscribe to the network in your cable or satellite package?
Affirmative. Pac-12's online service is a lot like ESPN3's.
My cable provider is worthless and hasn't not set up Pac-12's online streaming (or ESPN3).
If I don't start "seeing" some basketball soon instead of having to settle for just "hearing" it (not a knock on Ickow--he does a great job) I'm just going to snap.
Here's the Box Score for the Baylor Game... what jumps out to me is that they use a 6-man rotation, and get one in Foul Trouble, and the other 5 guys play full time... I wonder what would happen if they had two guys in foul trouble...
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=210504118 (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=210504118)
and I see that the Baylor - Oregon game was part of the "Global Sports Shootout"... Savannah State (playing Oregon tonight) is involved in that along with Arkansas State and Jackson State. Savannah Tigers are 3-0, wins over Fla Natl, Campbell (59-57) and Arkansas State (76-75).
Quote from: talksalot on November 20, 2015, 04:55:40 PMHere's the Box Score for the Baylor Game... what jumps out to me is that they use a 6-man rotation, and get one in Foul Trouble, and the other 5 guys play full time... I wonder what would happen if they had two guys in foul trouble...
If they are only comfortable with going 6 deep against good competition then our 10 deep with confidence rotation (might jump to 11 when Lexus gets back to 100%) could offer them some problems. To really push them into trouble we will need to hit some outside 3's to keep them from getting any rest from their brand of the 2-3 zone. Pulling them out of much zone while hounding them defensively might lead to some pleasant surprises.
Wait! Whats wrong with this picture? Don't the big schools always have the deeper benches with the taller, quicker and more experienced athletes?
Valpo 68
Roast Duck la Orange 63
I look forward to a great weekend at Duckland after Clay and Bryce perform back to back destruction to the Phil Knight express.
Dish customers need the Multi Sport Pack @$13/mo. to get the Pac-12 Network. I'm going to order it in the morning, assuming I can cancel after a month. I'm happy to pay $13 to be able to watch both the Oregon and Oregon State games.
Box Score from Friday night's Savannah State game
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151120_SAV@OREG (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151120_SAV@OREG)
kinda fun way to post their "tweets"
http://www.goducks.com/fls/500/pages/qc/ (http://www.goducks.com/fls/500/pages/qc/)
Ducks are hosting USC in football on Saturday... asking fans to go to the basketball games Friday and Sunday..."Facing Big Test on Sunday with Valparaiso"
3 guys set records for minutes-played
3-point shooting for Oregon~not good (4-17),
Free Throw Shooting for Oregon~not good (11-24)
Only called for 13 fouls
46 points in the paint
Attendance 6,465 (Capacity 12,364)
Dana Altman post game comment: On upcoming Valparaiso game...
"Valparaiso is as good as Baylor. Their power ranking will be every bit as good as Baylor's when it's all said and done. They are going to win 30 games, and they will be a good team. I just hope one of those 30 wins is not us."
On the upcoming matchup with Valparaiso...
"We know their personnel and we know that they're a really good team. They run their plays well, and they're an experienced team with a lot of older guys. We just have to come and get ready for a fight and for a real good game."
Savannah State coach about the Ducks:
On how tough it is to match up with Oregon...
"They're very aggressive on the offensive glass. We needed to put some bodies on them. They got some easy second chances. Initially, they were transitioning well offensively. (Chris Boucher) was running. They were running. They were getting good layups. We were thinking and they were going. We were able to combat it a little bit better in the second half...I coached against Dana (Altman) at Creighton, and he has a tendency to want his guys to be tough and not afraid to get their hands dirty."
Quote from: wh on November 20, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
Dish customers need the Multi Sport Pack @$13/mo. to get the Pac-12 Network. I'm going to order it in the morning, assuming I can cancel after a month. I'm happy to pay $13 to be able to watch both the Oregon and Oregon State games.
Yeah, I was looking at this too. I don't particularly trust Comcast to turn it on promptly, or certainly to make it easy to cancel. Frankly, even if it's in their interest, I don't really even trust them to make it easy to signup! But, probably a good option to have available, maybe I'll give it a try...
Well, it's easy on the front end, at least. Maybe only $5/month extra at a promotional price. We'll see what it actually costs, and how cancellation goes. Who knows, if it's really only ~$10/month at the usual price, they might lure me in.
For now, I get two VU games, and an El Clasico bonus. I'll take it. Turned on instantaneously, within seconds of clicking "complete my order" on the web page.
So will the VU game only be on Pac 12 network? Will it possibly be shown online somewhere? Will Buffalo Wild Wings have it?
The game would be on pac-12.com, if your cable/satellite provider has a contract with them, and you subscribe to package it's offered in, or maybe one of the bootleg sites. Buffalo Wild Wings would probably be able to get it, but with it being on during football games, who knows if they would turn up the volume on the Valpo game, or put it on more than one screen that isn't 22inches.
Some local business is missing an opportunity here.
There are sometimes streams linked from sites like http://firstrowsportes.eu/basketball, (http://firstrowsportes.eu/basketball,) but they may not be legal in your jurisdiction. And, you've got to be careful of viruses, etc.
For me, $5 or $10 extra on my cable bill looks like it'll work well. But, I'm not at all sure that's an option for e.g. VU students.
(In fact, I'll be at a dinner party during the game, but this'll make it easy to record it.)
Incidentally, looks like the Vegas lines have Oregon by 4, 4.5 or 5.
I just called the BWW near me in Creve Coeur, MO, and they said they have it, so I'm going to give it a try tomorrow night. I don't really care about the sound being turned up or how big the screen is, because I'll be taking my play-by-play from Todd and Aaron anyway.
Sip everyone, i think we should start nick davidson and chandler levingston, i think nick davidson experience will prove crucial in the late minutes. I also think chandler levingstons size will greatly improve our defense and offense rebound chances. Any thoughts and comments will be taken with a grain of salt considering ive studied VU basketball for 45 years and know alot more than all of you. :thumbsup:
BIG TIME UCONN FAN here wishing Valpo good luck tomorrow in the Crusaders biggest game for At-Large consideration during the course of the season. I think this Valpo team has the potential to be Final4 special. Take out Oregon tomorrow and get ranked in the Top 25 to put college hoops on notice that Valparaiso is the real deal (I think they will be regardless). Do it UConn/Biggie style (see video) tomorrow! Go get'em!!!!!!!!!!! Love your team!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3hTkAT-Kfw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3hTkAT-Kfw)
Has anyone bought and tested out the pac 12 network?? How much does it cost? Can I buy it as an individual channel or do I have I buy it in a package?
I did. See my post above. Works great. Watched the USC-New Mexico game. What a boring life I live. :)
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400814231 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400814231)
An SC-Valpo matchup would be great. The only mismatch would be cheerleader quality...
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 22, 2015, 11:16:10 AMhttp://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400814231 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400814231) An SC-Valpo matchup would be great. The only mismatch would be cheerleader quality...
Come on man -- I'd consider the USC cheer squad to be nationally celebrated, and perhaps that's your point. But our cheerleaders put the time in supporting the team, and that's all that matters to me.
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 22, 2015, 11:16:10 AM
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400814231 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400814231)
An SC-Valpo matchup would be great. The only mismatch would be cheerleader quality...
Man, I would sure like another shot at those Lobos this year. Shame we can't get some revenge on last year's debacle.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 21, 2015, 11:19:25 PM
Has anyone bought and tested out the pac 12 network?? How much does it cost? Can I buy it as an individual channel or do I have I buy it in a package?
Quote from: agibson on November 21, 2015, 10:24:15 AM
Quote from: wh on November 20, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
Dish customers need the Multi Sport Pack @$13/mo. to get the Pac-12 Network. I'm going to order it in the morning, assuming I can cancel after a month. I'm happy to pay $13 to be able to watch both the Oregon and Oregon State games.
Yeah, I was looking at this too. I don't particularly trust Comcast to turn it on promptly, or certainly to make it easy to cancel. Frankly, even if it's in their interest, I don't really even trust them to make it easy to signup! But, probably a good option to have available, maybe I'll give it a try...
Well, it's easy on the front end, at least. Maybe only $5/month extra at a promotional price. We'll see what it actually costs, and how cancellation goes. Who knows, if it's really only ~$10/month at the usual price, they might lure me in.
For now, I get two VU games, and an El Clasico bonus. I'll take it. Turned on instantaneously, within seconds of clicking "complete my order" on the web page.
I do believe this is exactly what agibson did.
Quote from: wh on November 20, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
Dish customers need the Multi Sport Pack @$13/mo. to get the Pac-12 Network. I'm going to order it in the morning, assuming I can cancel after a month. I'm happy to pay $13 to be able to watch both the Oregon and Oregon State games.
I am a Dish customer as well and you can actually pay $6 a month to add a specific channel to your current package. That's what we have done and won't renew it next month. I know we're talking real small time money here, just throwing it out there
I expect Oregon to be focused and ready for today's game. No way they take us lightly and will come out on fire.
3 keys for today's game: keep Vashil out of foul trouble, limit turnovers, and we have to hit our wide open 3's.
We will see what this team is fully made up of today. 0-38 (I could be wrong..) and counting is getting old. If Bryce truly wants to move on eventually from Valpo he needs a big win which to me he hasn't had one yet on his resume. This team no doubt has the skills to compete.
Also, a great opportunity for Alec to show his skills against a non Mid-Major. I'm interested in seeing how he does defensively as currently this is his weakest point. I don't show him backing down today!
In regards to no TV, I'm looking forward to listening to Todd call the game. I'll enjoy it just as much and have it going loud in the whole house.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on November 21, 2015, 11:19:25 PM
Has anyone bought and tested out the pac 12 network?? How much does it cost? Can I buy it as an individual channel or do I have I buy it in a package?
\\if you buy an individual channel make sure it is the right one. There str like five or six pac-12 channels. The game is on PAC OREGON.
Game is on PAC-12 National in my area so like vu72 says double check before purchasing.
Costs $8.99/month to add and the guy I talked to said it was pro-rated if I cancel early. Two Valpo games on TV for under a buck, seems too good to be true. Assuming I will be charged for the full month but still worth it in my opinion.
Go Valpo!
We can expect Oregon to be very quick. Even though chip Kelly is in the nfl, they still have a no-huddle offense. They like to score quick and put their defense on the field. With this being said, I think the defense will be tired so Valpo needs to take advantage on the offensive end. I agree with techsavy123, as he posted earlier, Davidson and Levingston-Simon really need an explosive day scoring and on the boards. #kiggensforpresident ;D
I watched a bit of the Baylor game, but hadn't seen a lineup or scouting report at that point.
Is their JUCO player-of-the-year center going to cause problems for Vashil? Foul trouble? Seems like it's been a whie since I've seen him battle down low with a potent offensive post player. Did Rhode Island have a guy?
I wonder how much of Jubril we'll see.
And, after Oregon extended their rotation against Savannah State, it'll be interesting to see if it's six again for us. They only dress... nine?... scholarship players.
Some reasonable press in Oregon, and a decent AP story. The CBS video on the web was good too. No gameday piece in the NWI Times?
Quote from: Chairback on November 22, 2015, 12:50:03 PM
We will see what this team is fully made up of today. 0-38 (I could be wrong..) and counting is getting old. If Bryce truly wants to move on eventually from Valpo he needs a big win which to me he hasn't had one yet on his resume. This team no doubt has the skills to compete.
Not that I want to encourage Bryce's departure, but surely this is the type of game we want, if weever end the streak. #25 (OK- harder to predict those), not #1. And in a game where, were it at the ARC, we might be favored!
Quote from: valpocleveland on November 22, 2015, 01:18:03 PM
Game is on PAC-12 National in my area so like vu72 says double check before purchasing.
Costs $8.99/month to add and the guy I talked to said it was pro-rated if I cancel early. Two Valpo games on TV for under a buck, seems too good to be true. Assuming I will be charged for the full month but still worth it in my opinion.
Go Valpo!
Just checked, the game is actually on both!
Is the game on WVUR? I'm not getting it to work on the website. Don't get Pac-12 obviously.
TO's are killing us. Up to 5 already before the first media timeout?!?!?
Same here? ???
Someone speak up if the WVUR stream starts working. In the meantime, I'm tuned into the Oregon call of the game, but I'd much rather listen to Mr. Ickow...
Pac-12 video online feed isn't so great for me keeps recycling. Seems to be OK right now but I'm sure I'm way behind. WVUR also not working.
We need to establish an inside presence on offense.
Shane is having a great first half, no rust from the two game suspension.
An unbelievable 0 free throws attempted by Valpo. If they start hitting their 3s, it's going get interesting.
Banks are open on Sunday's in Oregon!!!
Great run at the end to take the lead. Team really stepped up with Vashil on the bench with 3 fouls.
Defense played great and Tevonn hit some big shots.
Need to limit the turnovers in the 2nd half and get to the free throw line.
Any word on the WVUR stream yet?
I think AP is going to have to bring this 1 home in the clutch for you guys. The foul disparity is ridiculous. The All-American will have to step up with help from his brothers.
Quote from: FWalum on November 22, 2015, 05:59:02 PMAny word on the WVUR stream yet?
Still not working for me. FWIW, I have the Oregon stream http://tunein.com/radio/Oregon-IMG-Sports-Network-s206509/ (http://tunein.com/radio/Oregon-IMG-Sports-Network-s206509/)
Oragan feed through WVUR web site is working
I have access to the PAC-12 online feed but it sucked during almost the whole 1st half kept on buffering and then would go backwards about 5 minutes from where it left off. Finally quit altogether until about 17 minutes left in the 2nd half. Now is working fine, but wanted to listen to Todd.
Darien Walker is our weakest guard currently. He needs to come off the bench
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30 second stretch just killed us on this 10-2 run.
Yes
I'm at the game so don't have any media...what's up with Skara?
I think it was a stretch to think that his ankle would be ready to play in this type of game. He had suffered a pretty bad sprain in the Iona game.
I'm surprised they didn't run isos to Alec in the second half for 3s, after hitting the four point play it felt like he was gonna go off. I'd like to see him be more selfish. Maybe we can beat the Beavers on Tuesday.
Team showed grit down the stretch but Peter's late 3's didn't fall.
Like I said earlier, too many turnovers. Need to establish an inside game against a major opponent, tough to do with Vashil in foul trouble. Thought Jabril did a great job off the bench.
Tonight showed we can compete with a top 25 team. I feel bad for Oregon St on Tuesday, I'm calling a double digit win by our boys.
Refs and vashil are pathetic.
If Oregon didn't go on that run for one to two minutes in the second half and we could have contained Brooks some, I think we would have pulled this one off. A very tough road game and loss, but we hung with them the entire game and we can (and should) start knocking off these big name teams. We need to beat Oregon State this week and continue to build throughout the season.
Our 39th consecutive moral victory against a ranked opponent. Confirms that we must win in Detroit to make the tournament.
Tough loss, we could play our best ball in these two games and not get a win! >:( OSU A must Win
Quote from: cmack on November 22, 2015, 07:13:17 PM
Our 39th consecutive moral victory against a ranked opponent. Confirms that we must win in Detroit to make the tournament.
Waiting for a comment like this.
No need to be negative. If anything it's a confidence booster that we are good, this win would have nice but it would have been a bonus from what I expect. This win wasn't essential for at large consideration. Taking care of the rest of our no conference schedule however, is.
I am still excited for the season and think this is a great group. I think Skara would have potentially put us over the top, especially as Oregon dominated on the offensive glass and beat us to every loose ball in the second half. But honestly, what are the signature wins that the committee would look at to support us getting an at large over a middling major conference team. Rhode Island was nice but a middle of the pack big ten team is going to have 3 wins a piece better than that. This game was required for an at large bid.
CBS Sports recap of the game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151122_VALPO@OREG (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151122_VALPO@OREG)
Didn't see/hear the game. Came home and after seeing the box score was appalled at the FT differential. Silver lining: the players heard us -- we hit for 83% from the line. :twocents:
The appropriate post game attitude is not content having almost pulled off a win and we should do ok against OSU; it should be pissed off that we didn't win and we will take that frustration out on OSU.
I wasn't able to watch the game, but followed the live stats on my phone while out to dinner. It seemed like we went toe-to-toe with a good team, even with a large foul difference in the first half. Were they legitimate fouls, or were they getting some big school calls? I don't mind this loss, but I would not be happy if we lose at Oregon State as well.
Why are we getting on Vashil? His stat line doesn't look bad from a defensive/rebounding standpoint, and he played the last 10 minutes or so with 4 fouls. We seemed to have played better against Oregon than a ranked Baylor team did...
All I have are stats to go by, but it seemed blow for blow for much of the game. What I like about the scheduling this year is that the team has an almost immediate chance for redemption against another quality opponent. This team, especially AP, seem to get really mad when they lose/don't play their best. I anticipate that they will indeed take out their frustration on Tuesday. Opposed to years past when we seem to "wet the bed" against power conference teams, this felt more like the Maryland game in which we locked horns with a foe and just came out on the wrong end. One will fall our way soon, perhaps this week!
I'm not really one for the at-large discussion...if we're really that good then we really ought to win the conference tournament anyway. This loss is much easier for me to swallow than one in the HL championship would be. In our "predict November poll" 0 people chose "8-0." Which game were we expecting to drop if not this one?
We never got in any offensive flow, especially in the second half and especially against their zone D. Over half of our shots were contested three pointers and we were consistently taking that shot with 2 or 3 seconds left on the shot clock because we couldn't get any decent looks before that. We took that contested 3 out of necessity which was evident because we could have easily had the same shot earlier in the shot clock. I think this problem could have been prevented if Peters would have stepped up and knocked down a couple of the "okay" looks from the top of the key that he was getting as we were spinning the ball around against the zone. That might have gotten them out of the zone. The only other good half court offensive possessions were a couple of moves by the Walker's and a drive or two by Hammink.
The bottom line is that we are not a great 3-point shooting team and so if we are forced to take more than half of our shots behind the arc, we are going to lose against quality opponents.
With all of that being said, I do believe that Skara could have really helped in this game. I think he could have made a difference in the short corner against that zone and could have hit a cutting Peters a few times to open things up.
Agree with you and the other poster who wonders why Alex didn't shoot a three more often. He passed it on to others who don't shoot his percentage or stand 6'9" with ability to shoot over the top. That was frustrating. Does any one on the team complain if he misses a few?
He took only SEVEN shots until the last two! Tevonn and Shane took 13+. I found that baffling, especially after he hit the 4-point play.
The info I got yesterday from the BWW here was wrong. Like in Valpo, they have DirectTV. I had to settle for good ole' first row sports ;) It started freezing up on me midway through the second half, but it mostly worked.
I thought the 4th foul called on Vashiel was highly questionable. I also thought he could have been called for offensive basket interference on that one play in the first half, so ...
It's a bummer, but then that's the point of these rare quality win opportunities: they're supposed to be bummers for us. If the bank wasn't open for Darien to end the first half, if they don't call all the offensive fouls on Oregon that they did, etc., etc., etc., we probably get beat by 13 instead of 6. As it is, they threatened twice to break the game wide open and each time we clawed our way back.
As always, if you're looking for company on the pissed-off-mobile, don't look at me. When you're only given 1 measly opportunity for a top-25 win, you're pretty much set up for failure to begin with.
Disappointed? Absolutely.
Lots of interesting post game comments. A ton of knowledgeable posters on this board.
I thought this was one of the poorer coaching performances from Bryce.
- He didn't manage timeouts well.
- The foul/free throw disparity was because Oregon was aggressive driving the basketball and we were not. Should have left Hammink in for longer stretches because he was having success getting to the basket. Tevonn and Carter can also get to the basket but they rarely even tried, which leads me to believe it wasn't in the game plan. We need to be taking advantage of freedom of movement rules. I guarantee Felder will be taking full advantage of them when we see Oakland 2-3 times this year.
- We have built our identity on tough man to man defense and then we reinvent ourselves with a zone??? It was pretty obvious that we don't practice it nearly as often and it really messed up our rebounding. BTW, rebounding is why we lost this game.
Obviously we were not at our best tonight, and we kept it close. So that is a good sign. Everyone keeps talking about our depth, but CURRENTLY we are not very deep at all. With Smits and Skara out, Nickerson extremely rusty as hell, and Lexus obviously a year away from getting back to his former lightning quick self (if he ever does); we are simply not that deep at this very moment. Max is an ok backup because he plays pretty good defense and doesn't turn it over a lot. However, he can't shoot and he isn't exactly an assist machine.
Dana Altman post game comments:
http://www.goducks.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ID=1194707 (http://www.goducks.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ID=1194707)
Agreed that rebounding is a big reason we lost. I actually liked our zone defense. We forced a good amount of turnovers and forced them to take some bad shots (a few of which they actually hit). However, you're correct that we did not know how to box out in the zone which gave them a few easy put backs.
The sky is not falling. Like someone else before me mentioned, no body expected us to go undefeated this season, right? This is our toughest schedule game this year and we were in it until the last 4 minutes. Let's win the remaining ones and go 30-1 ;D
Let's move on and plan for OSU. They are not nearly as good as Oregon. We should be able to beat the Beavers. That should be the focus now.
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Valpo played hard and this was not the New Mexico fiasco. This is a great road trip and experience for the Saders - they need to do this more often.
Quote from: d0uble3m on November 22, 2015, 08:44:44 PMI do believe that Skara could have really helped in this game. I think he could have made a difference in the short corner against that zone and could have hit a cutting Peters a few times to open things up.
If healthy David might have played 21+ minutes. He is a longer better zone defender than Darien and offers another long armed option both as a driver and a cutter.
Is there an issue with EVN? He hardly played and might have been an offensive liability but I would have thought his defense might have earned him 12 minutes of play.
While watching the Baylor game I didn't fully appreciate the effectiveness of the Oregon zone.
Jubril played a great 23 minutes but only found 2 rebounds. Even he couldn't seem to find anybody to box out!
Nice looking wide open 3 pointer that looked textbook. If he continues to hit those at 33% he may be given a much bigger and brighter green light. As I have said before, against man defenses a Jubril that can hit the 3 will open up the entire offensive end.
Sounds like the WVUR stream was overwhelmed by the number of fans.
Over on the Oregon State thread we had a proposal of a shake-up in the starting lineup
Quote from: justducky on November 23, 2015, 10:43:22 AMShane for Darien?
and I started typing, but mostly about the Oregon game. So I'll put it here.
I enjoyed seeing season-high minutes for Shane and love to see him slashing to the basket, despite his height. Not sure about his three point shooting (0-for-4 with that memorable wide-open look when we could have used the points), I've been wondering if it's part of his game (I see he was 2-3 against Iona from 3pt land).
Darien's three-point shooting was better, with some memorable ones and 3-for-7 overall. Hopefully he's getting out of his funk.
I was definitely wondering what the difference was with Oregon getting to the basket (for fouls and often and-ones) and us... sometimes not trying much? We drew a foul or two in the second half (over the loud protests of the student section - too close to the microphones). But, the play that stood out for me was... was it Hammink?... baseline drive into one, maybe two defenders.... Travel. Almost the same play for Oregon was a foul on us. Made me wonder if it was timing, ball handling, or what, that made the difference. And that caused Oregon to apparently be able to draw a foul on every possession, and us to settle for tentative looks from outside.
Or maybe there was some amount of home cooking from the officials.
Quote from: agibson on November 23, 2015, 01:32:17 PM
I was definitely wondering what the difference was with Oregon getting to the basket (for fouls and often and-ones) and us... sometimes not trying much? We drew a foul or two in the second half (over the loud protests of the student section - too close to the microphones). But, the play that stood out for me was... was it Hammink?... baseline drive into one, maybe two defenders.... Travel. Almost the same play for Oregon was a foul on us. Made me wonder if it was timing, ball handling, or what, that made the difference. And that caused Oregon to apparently be able to draw a foul on every possession, and us to settle for tentative looks from outside.
Or maybe there was some amount of home cooking from the officials.
It was going to be a tall order to win at Matthew Knight Arena. I hope everyone here realizes that Oregon has the 8th best home court winning percentage in all of Division I basketball, better than Michigan St., Duke and Louisville to name just a few. So is it any surprise that they are getting calls and we are not? My friends at IPFW were accusing us of exactly the same thing on opening night. That is why home court advantage is so important in DI basketball, just ask UNC. Do you think they will ever play at a decent mid major home court again????
The AP writeup was surprisingly interesting, and here's the CBS Sports writeup
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25385830/after-valpo-win-oregon-owns-among-strongest-resumes-in-college-hoops (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25385830/after-valpo-win-oregon-owns-among-strongest-resumes-in-college-hoops)
It includes such faint praise as
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For Valpo, which could still end up being a dangerous 12 or 13 seed four months from now, it was another loss against a ranked program.
(I notice there's no disclaimer about both of Oregon's wins being on their home court...)
A 12 would be better than a 13... But, you sure hope for something better. Something historic.
Of course, all they can do is win one game at a time. And Oregon State would be a great start.
(I find myself entertaining the idea of a road trip to Ball State over the weekend. Might not be much of a game... and a little crazy to consider making a whole day out of it with the family. But, I've gotten used to lots of Valpo basketball over Thanksgiving...)
My reaction to that article:
https://twitter.com/StlVUFan/status/668642131523837952
https://twitter.com/StlVUFan/status/668642506792415239
FWIW... Kind of a premature rebuttal, but I just sense a bunch of "Valpo no longer an at-large candidate after losing at Oregon" comments coming from the pundits.
It's an unfair system Jim. Mids have to do twice as much to get half as much. Valpo definitely needs a win over Oregon State to be considered. If not, the only wins Valpo will end up will be against mid-major teams, which any mid trying to get an at-large team should beat. Again, it's not a fair system.
Quote from: Pgmado on November 23, 2015, 10:51:13 PM
It's an unfair system Jim. Mids have to do twice as much to get half as much. Valpo definitely needs a win over Oregon State to be considered. If not, the only wins Valpo will end up will be against mid-major teams, which any mid trying to get an at-large team should beat. Again, it's not a fair system.
Oh, I have no illusions that what I said will actually trump the decision makers. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy, for what little it's worth.
Quote from: wh on November 22, 2015, 10:09:55 PM
Dana Altman post game comments:
http://www.goducks.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ID=1194707 (http://www.goducks.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ID=1194707)
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Quote from: wh on November 22, 2015, 10:09:55 PM
Dana Altman post game comments:
http://www.goducks.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ID=1194707 (http://www.goducks.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ID=1194707)
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Quote from: agibson on November 23, 2015, 04:10:35 PM(I find myself entertaining the idea of a road trip to Ball State over the weekend. Might not be much of a game... and a little crazy to consider making a whole day out of it with the family. But, I've gotten used to lots of Valpo basketball over Thanksgiving...)
Looks like it will be on ESPN3. Takes some of the incentive out of a road trip...
Edit: Woops, wrong Oregon game.
Thanks, wh
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/pac12/2016/02/23/oregon-basketball-chris-boucher-shot-block-forward-ncaa-tournament/80723526/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/pac12/2016/02/23/oregon-basketball-chris-boucher-shot-block-forward-ncaa-tournament/80723526/)
Interesting article on current #13 Oregon's 6-10 Chris Boucher. We lost to Oregon by 6 at their place.
Tale of the tape:
Boucher - 9 RB, 3 Blk, 3 Pts
Vashil - 7 RB, 4 Blks, 2 Pts
I'd call that a draw.