I know we have all been talking about it in various threads here seem to be the most popular thoughts
Where is Peters next season?
1. Valpo
2. Vandy
3. Michigan State
4. Butler
5. Somewhere else
I personally think he will go with option 5 but 1 or 2 wouldn't surprise me
Butler I would say no. He turned them down along with others to come to Valpo 3+ years ago. Why go there now. If leaving he can go higher up the chain than BU. Watch out for VU poacher and new HOF Coach Izzo. :)
Somewhere else. I assume that Bryce will be able to keep the majority of Vandy's team together. They already have several solid SG/SF/PF on their roster that should be coming back. Though Peters would be better than many, Bryce could do some trust damage with his new team, if he brings in one of 'his guys' to be their new top guy.
Quote from: vufan75 on April 06, 2016, 09:52:47 PM
Butler I would say no. He turned them down along with others to come to Valpo 3+ years ago. Why go there now. If leaving he can go higher up the chain than BU. Watch out for VU poacher and new HOF Coach Izzo. :)
Poacher? This doesn't sound like a poacher:
https://winninghoops.com/pages/Breaking-News---Izzo-Is-Against-Graduate-Transfer-Rule.php
FWIW, according to my sources (students who are classmates of Alec), it is either NBA or Valpo.
If he has a degree by spring, why not go a graduate school that specializes in his educational pursuit? He is far form being NBA ready.
Quote from: usc4valpo on April 07, 2016, 06:46:22 AM
If he has a degree by spring, why not go a graduate school that specializes in his educational pursuit? He is far form being NBA ready.
I believe its Sports Management and Administration and Valpo has a strong graduate program in that regard.
What's with all this negativity.... I know Bryce left, and we all knew it was coming. The only other place Alec goes next season would be the NBA and I am doubtful that happens. I don't see him at another university next season.
Quote from: valpospartan on April 06, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: vufan75 on April 06, 2016, 09:52:47 PM
Butler I would say no. He turned them down along with others to come to Valpo 3+ years ago. Why go there now. If leaving he can go higher up the chain than BU. Watch out for VU poacher and new HOF Coach Izzo. :)
Poacher? This doesn't sound like a poacher:
https://winninghoops.com/pages/Breaking-News---Izzo-Is-Against-Graduate-Transfer-Rule.php
I have much respect for Coach Izzo, MSU, and his accomplishments there. His team's play hard and he maximizes the players abilities and gets them peaking at the right time. He is also a heck of a recruiter. He manages games well and is a coach many look up to.
Having said all that, I will say actions speak louder than words. He may say he is against the grad transfer rules, but he has used the rule to his advantage. One could argue if "I" don't take this player some other coach will. Maybe that is accurate. The coaches association should fight to get the rule changed if they do not like the rule. I agree with Izzo when he said it will basically lead to recruiting happening on campus at universities, if I have accurately read his thoughts per the article.
I hope you are correct. However, the draw of the bigger lights gets many basketball players to change their mind, once they have months to think about it (this summer). Peters does seem like someone that wants to prove everyone wrong by taking a mid-major to greater heights. He can go many places and be the top star, but if everyone comes back to Vandy, I can't see him following Bryce. He has the ability to be their top player, but it could potentially create some issues with the majority of the Vandy team that would be back, since he would be in the same position as most of the returners (SG/SF/PF). The only guys currently leaving are a PG and two C's, and they have a redshirted C (from Haiti) that will be ready to step in for the big man position next season.
There are a couple of open scholarship slots, right? Might a deciding factor for Alec be how the next coach fills those slots for next season? Just wondering......
..... and time is getting short to fill them.
Coach K was very verbal against the One-and-Done rule too........
As I recall Wood initiated the discussion about transferring and Homer contacted Izzo on Wood's behalf. I also recall Izzo expressing reluctance to Homer about taking his star and Homer responding that if the kid was going to transfer anyway than he (Homer) preferred that Wood went to Izzo. Does anyone else remember it this way, or have I just killed off so many brain cells over the years that my memory can't be trusted? I don't follow Michigan State so I don't know if Izzo has had other graduate transfers since then.
In the past, the men, women, and student athletes of the VU athletics department have made me extremely proud to be an alum. They have comported themselves with dignity, honor and the Christian principles I hope and pray Valparaiso University will continue to instill in its students and graduates for decades to come. Alec, Vashil, Jubril, and others have performed above expectations on both the hardwood and the classroom (I hope these events have not prevented Jubril from the honor bestow on him as a participant in the NCAA Student-Athlete Leadership Forum) and brought the best kinds of recognition to themselves and our university. While conference championships and NCAA tournament wins are great and VU should do all that it can so that our student athletes have the opportunities to succeed at the highest level, I am probably more proud when I hear announcers talk about Vashil's two masters degrees, watch an interview or press conference in which they articulate their values or see the student body prayer circle after the St. Mary's game.
When the administration makes it's decision on the next HC and our young men make their decisions on the next phases in their mental, physical and spiritual development, I hope there is only support and no spiteful reactions to these decisions. As O.P. said many years ago
QuoteWe have something to offer you which you can find nowhere else. Others may try to make men scientific; we must do that-and make them wise. Others may give men knowledge; we must give them that-and understanding. Others may try to make men useful; we must do that-and we must make them noble. We are not asking you to come to an ivory tower to escape from the realities of life or to a market-place where the voices and minds of men are confused by the immediate and material things of life. We are able to give you the fellowship of men and women whose respect for Truth is not vitiated by doubts concerning its reality and permanence. We are able to offer you a school which recognizes the supreme dignity and worth of the individual human being. We are committed to the principle that the destiny of a Christian University lies in the quality of the men and women who are graduated from its halls rather than in quantitative production. Our future lies in the development of men and women, perhaps relatively few in number, whose quality will be so high that they will exert an influence on society which cannot be measured in terms of numbers.
WISE, UNDERSTANDING and NOBLE - looking at this years team I would say mission accomplished. The future mission is to keep the foundation intact and the momentum going.
I am confident in the quality of our people and that they can and will continue to exert influence to the betterment of our school and society.
Now, when will those ARC renovations start... ;D
The buzz I've heard is that Alec checked out shortly after the Green Bay loss...it was his impending departure that made it easier for Bryce to take a new job, as opposed to the common belief that Bryce leaving will impact Alec's decision.
As for where he plays, unless it's a school like Butler or ND (an obvious slap in the face) or Ohio State (my mistress vis a vis Valpo as a rooting interest) I'm not all that concerned. My guess is it won't be Valpo, any of the above schools, or the NBA.
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Quote from: nkvu on April 07, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
As I recall Wood initiated the discussion about transferring and Homer contacted Izzo on Wood's behalf. I also recall Izzo expressing reluctance to Homer about taking his star and Homer responding that if the kid was going to transfer anyway than he (Homer) preferred that Wood went to Izzo. Does anyone else remember it this way, or have I just killed off so many brain cells over the years that my memory can't be trusted? I don't follow Michigan State so I don't know if Izzo has had other graduate transfers since then.
Try Bryn Forbes from Cleveland State.
Quote from: Dave_2010 on April 07, 2016, 11:02:30 AM
The buzz I've heard is that Alec checked out shortly after the Green Bay loss...it was his impending departure that made it easier for Bryce to take a new job, as opposed to the common belief that Bryce leaving will impact Alec's decision.
As for where he plays, unless it's a school like Butler or ND (an obvious slap in the face) or Ohio State (my mistress vis a vis Valpo as a rooting interest) I'm not all that concerned. My guess is it won't be Valpo, any of the above schools, or the NBA.
I sure hope this is not true. Alec does not seem like the kind of guy whose mind would wander away from his team, and Alec certainly played very well in the NIT tourney! That said, I would not be surprised to Alec depart to a better program, where he will be surrounded by better players who will enable him to shine, nor would I be surprised to see a high-potential guy, such as Tevon, depart.
At the time of his transfer, Wood was not of Alec's caliber in basketball. Wood was a talented guard, but the pool of great NBA-potential guards is substantially greater than the pool of 6'9" good-shooting and good-rebounding forwards (even those, such as Alec, who are not overly adept at creating their own shots). Look at Bryce, our best player ever -- Even he was merely a mediocre NBA guard and bench-sitter for most of his career.
The reality is that we are losing our top 2 coaches. Valpo is not going to capture lightning-in-a-bottle, such as Saint Louis University did with Rick Majerus. We may have to take a flyer on a Lottich, Tonagel, etc.
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Quote from: vu72 on April 07, 2016, 11:12:56 AM
Quote from: nkvu on April 07, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
As I recall Wood initiated the discussion about transferring and Homer contacted Izzo on Wood's behalf. I also recall Izzo expressing reluctance to Homer about taking his star and Homer responding that if the kid was going to transfer anyway than he (Homer) preferred that Wood went to Izzo. Does anyone else remember it this way, or have I just killed off so many brain cells over the years that my memory can't be trusted? I don't follow Michigan State so I don't know if Izzo has had other graduate transfers since then.
Try Bryn Forbes from Cleveland State.
Forbes left CSU after his sophomore season. Received a hardship waiver to play immediately due to an ill family member in the Detroit area. It appears the NCAA has since tried to close the door on the sick mother/father/aunt/grandma/cousin/dog/cat hardship waivers.
I'm getting sick and tired of Izzo saying every year that he is against the transfer rule and then every year he signs up another one. Enough of the b s!
I don't believe for one second that Peters 'checked out' after the GB loss. That kid fought tooth and nail to get us victories in the NIT, and seems very earnest when he talks about his Valpo pride and having a hard time seeing himself anywhere else. He spurned some Power 5 offers, because they didn't see him as a top recruit. Based on his press conferences, he has taken that feedback and made it a chip on his shoulder. It would be completely against everything he has said over the last 3 years, to turn tail and run to a Power 5. I couldn't fault him if he did, but if I was in his position, I would remain the star at Valpo and give it one more shot. Then again, I always root for the underdog, and spurned Power 5 offers to attend Valpo myself, and continue to despise such schools :).
I don't believe the "checked out" claim either but I also don't feel he's ready for the NBA. Whether this becomes apparent prior to him locking in his draft status we don't know and where he goes if he decides against it is also an unknown.
The problem is that I think that Power 5 teams will be using this new rule to attend various combines/workouts to recruit top transfers. It essentially seems like it is putting several top players more in the public eye, so that larger schools can feast on smaller school stars that are just feeling out their NBA worth...
Alec Peters DID NOT CHECK-OUT! Those words are not in his vocabulary - period.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 07, 2016, 03:29:59 PMAlec Peters DID NOT CHECK-OUT! Those words are not in his vocabulary - period.
"Hi, I'm in room 137 and I'd like to ch-ch-ch...I'd like to...ch...ch...leave this hotel and settle my bill." -Alec Peters
You're right Valpo64!!!
If checking out is scoring 21 pts per game and grabbing 9 boards, then I wish he checked out earlier in the season.
Maybe he was being checked out by NBA scouts?
I just spoke with my daughter who is a freshmen at Valpo but not an ordinary Freshmen as she is a Crusaderette so has some "Ins" albeit 18-21 year old ins to put into perspective. She said, that if Alec isn't drafted, he's coming back to Valpo, which is line with his words and some others on this board. I think a lot of us can write diatribes on the negatives and positives of 4 Year transferring but usually it's a guy underutilized by a D1 school rather than one that is the focal point of his school. If you can play, have exposure (which Valpo does) the NBA will find you. What you do at the NBA workouts, your ultimate potential (usually reserved for 1 and domes) and can possibly do for individual teams who bring you in carries more weight on your draft ability than college stats. Alec may find one of those teams. Being a DePaul alum, we had Wilson Chandler, who declared as a Sophmore, (had stats no where near Alec but a similar inside/out guy) and our consensus ,as a fan base was not NBA ready. Went to these workouts and ended up being a #1 for the NY Knicks. So the possibility remains he could be gone.
That being said, she said she was sad Lottich is the coach as one of the male cheerleaders who is close with the team said Jubril and Tevonn are gone now. I told her if it's true they are nuts. Jubril has one year left and Tevonn played 2/3 of a season and they will have to sit another year. This team, as it stands, can do serious damage like this year in the HL and take our exposure in the NIT and turn it into an NCAA bid. At the end of the day, if this plays out and we lose all 3, Matt Lottich will make us better in the long run.
ValpoDad89: Thank you for sharing.
But I'm really hoping Jubril & T Walker change their minds and stay or it's just speculation. I don't see why T Walker would want to sit out a whole year and only have one season of eligibility and why Jubril would want to leave because he is going to play an even bigger role with the team next season now that Fernandez is graduated and we'll definitely need him to a big and he has familiarity with all his teammates on the court. Also it seemed he and his family were pretty close to the program. I think Jubril's dad was at every home game.
I think if everyone comes back next season we'll have a really good shot of competing for the HL title again and winning the conference tourney.
2014, both of them are projected starters. She mentioned that Jubril has been contacted by some Alabama schools, which to me is downright disgusting but the state of high priced college athletics. If they leave to sit out, greener pastures will not pan out like they do here. That a might've come from youthful emotion and prior to Matt being named HC. Couple that with Luke staying snd there is a ton of continuity here.
If Alec does well and enters the Draft and get drafted after 3 years here, does that not give Lottich an upper hand in recruiting? How many HL coaches say they got a kid in the NBA after 3 years? I don't want Alec to leave but looking at a glass half full if he does.
Quote from: vufan75 on April 07, 2016, 09:09:14 AMOne could argue if "I" don't take this player some other coach will. Maybe that is accurate. The coaches association should fight to get the rule changed if they do not like the rule.
:thumbsup:
I think you nailed it right there. The first sentence is his current position. The last sentence is what he *should* be actively seeking if he truly feels the way he does.
Quote from: nkvu on April 07, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
As I recall Wood initiated the discussion about transferring and Homer contacted Izzo on Wood's behalf. I also recall Izzo expressing reluctance to Homer about taking his star and Homer responding that if the kid was going to transfer anyway than he (Homer) preferred that Wood went to Izzo. Does anyone else remember it this way, or have I just killed off so many brain cells over the years that my memory can't be trusted? I don't follow Michigan State so I don't know if Izzo has had other graduate transfers since then.
I think you remember correctly. I think that BW may be the only Graduate transfer Tom Izzo has accepted.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 07, 2016, 12:38:54 PM
I'm getting sick and tired of Izzo saying every year that he is against the transfer rule and then every year he signs up another one. Enough of the b s!
Since you seem to know all about this, would you please name the seemingly many graduate transfers that Izzo signs? I'll hang on for your answer.
Quote from: valpospartan on April 07, 2016, 06:29:17 PMSince you seem to know all about this, would you please name the seemingly many graduate transfers that Izzo signs? I'll hang on for your answer.
I hate Izzoenableismazation and you can quote me. ::)
It would be moronic for Jubril to leave for another school after his Junior year. As mentioned by others, he will be more of a presence next year as Smits gets up-to-speed, and going to ANY school in Alabama will be a much worse degree. Jubril seems to be a highly intelligent guy, and going to school in Alabama would be very unwise.
You never know how true it is, but Paul Oren already said that Tevonn mentioned he would be back, so much of your daughter has heard/been told, is probably just conjecture.
Valpotx, I think most of it is. Plus she couldn't say when Tevonn or Jubril made thes statements. Was it before or after the Lottich announcement? These are young kids that put their trust in a guy who left them. They are hurt and sometimes hurt feelings come across as being highly negative. I'll be honest, as slimy as some coaches are, I would not put it past it on any of them to reach out to the "handlers" or those associated with Jubril or Tevonn to inquire. Now that being said, when the dust settles, which it is, do I think these kids are going somewhere else? Highly doubt it.
In Jubrils case, he did have a real nice NIT and played the 4/5 well in Vashils absence. Tevonn was on the bench most of the time during the run but if anyone thinks he can't play, you're nuts. At the end of the day I think both stay because 1. The ramifications are severe and 2. No matter the facilities, the exposure, Valpo is a special place that a lot of people don't know about. I'm glad I love college hoops enough to find a place where I can, as a fan, fall in love with the spirit of college basketball again. Because of that love, my daughter now goes here. Because of that love I found this message board. Because of that love I will bleed Brown and Gold forever. I will hold out hope my BlueDemons find a way but that ain't happening any time soon. I try and turn other college hoop fans that are disgusted with the teams we have in the area to the fact we are an hour drive from the Southside of Chicago. Made it to 80% of the games this year and will do the same. Plus when my kid is done, I'll be a Valpo season ticket holder for life. I don't pay currently as dance team members get freebies. But I was ready to!!! But if you guys knew what the dancers do to get ready for games, her sacrifice is my gain.
That being said, I get 4 freebies to any game and will bring any of you anyone along for the ride if you want. Many times its just me making the drive from Midway Airport. All I ask is that you at least by a hotdog snd coke for yourself as I want to contribute in some fashion!!!!
First of all, has anybody taken into consideration that Jubril is most likely not even at Valpo? Did anyone remember that he was selected as one of two student athletes from the Horizon league to participate in the NCAA Student-Athlete Leadership Forum? The location of that form is Phoenix Arizona and it started today and runs through the weekend.
My ex was a Crusaderette, so I am well aware of the sacrifice that they endure to get prepared for each game. They don't get near enough credit for what they do :).
Valpotx, thanks for feeling me bro!!! That is why I like you man!!!! :)
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 07, 2016, 05:28:15 PMas one of the male cheerleaders who is close with the team said Jubril and Tevonn are gone now. I told her if it's true they are nuts
Interesting stuff, but sounds like lots of rumors are swirling around. To be taken with salt, as Dad has suggested.
There have been encouraging, if maybe not completely unambiguous, signs from Tevonn in various settings. And, more convincingly, Oren pretty much has Shane, Skara, and Tevonn on the record (post-Lottich announce) saying that they'll be back.
I haven't seen anything as clear for Jubril, apart from the team meeting, very tight group, etc stuff from Lottich and others. Jubril's dad was at plenty of away games too!
Osipoff reported Peters was at the press conference.
(Interesting reporting from Oren as well on Twitter. Not sure if it all made it to print. AD talks about having made a "responsible" counter-offer to Bryce. Then some garbled tweets, at least I think they were garbled, suggesting the plan has long been to hire internally. I take it to mean that Roger may have been first on list, but Lottich there too. External options considered, maybe with due diligence in mind, but kept coming back to the Butler-style succession plan.)
Mixing threads in a serious way, but interesting to hear from Lottich, and I think also from the AD, that Michael Joseph at Valpo has played a role, apparently for a period of time now, in succession planning. He's VP for enrollment management.
Would it be inappropriate for fans to contact via social media or write to the players praising them for their season and encouraging them to stay? I know they are just kids but I'm sure they would greatly appreciate it. Probably not appropriate but just an idea.
Mick, I know a lot of fans do already. It's a big part of recruiting as well. A lot of these high profile recruits get a ton of attention and love from fans of schools on their list.
As it has been discussed on other threads, the higher ups at Valpo, some of the VP's, board of trustees etc don't see athletics as a viable means to promote the academic culture that they want Valpo to be perceived as having(which the academics are great but you can have both, my sister currently goes to Valpo and I'm very glad I'm an alum) Michael Joseph is one of the exceptions, at last years Green Bay title game I chatted with him (over a game of one on one) about the school, and about getting a new pool( which is a crock of a story between the city and VU, if you have ever seen the pool at Valpo its a :censored: hole, I coach at the DIII level and have yet to see anything worse, but I get it, it wont bring in money, no one watches swim meets etc) and the athletic program. He genuinely cares so I believe the importance of athletics at Valpo is growing, and Heckler also helps. Over the next decade as older employees begin to retire I believe we will begin to see the dynamics shift. Academics are obviously the most important but athletics can and should promote the school in a positive way. As for Peters, baring an NBA draft he'll be back.
Quote from: oklahomamick on April 08, 2016, 11:18:38 AMWould it be inappropriate for fans to contact via social media or write to the players praising them for their season and encouraging them to stay? I know they are just kids but I'm sure they would greatly appreciate it. Probably not appropriate but just an idea.
For contact with players, I think appropriate/inappropriate is probably the right language. Unless you compensate them in some way, I don't think there are too many NCAA rules about contact between fans/boosters and current student athletes. Some of the players are pretty active on social media, others less so. Some interact a bit with fans on e.g. twitter (at least by way of likes and retweets and such), others less so. To me, congratulations on a good season and the like seems completely legit. Specific "career" advice and such for the future might be a bit fuzzier. I try to keep in mind what it might be like to receive comments from more or less anonymous strangers (perhaps a generation or even two removed from you, etc.). I've gone as far as best wishes for the future, or maybe talking about completing unfinished business next season, etc. Maybe some would consider stuff I've sent over a line. Seems like a pretty personal judgment call.
Dad also brought up recruiting. There are NCAA rules that apply to contact with recruits, as you probably know. I took a look at them a year or so ago as they apply to VU staff, and exchanged notes with the compliance office. For my part, I decided it was probably better for me to stay away from recruits. Unless e.g. the VU coaching staff or similar brought me into the loop, or perhaps it was purely about academics, etc. There are (somewhat different, perhaps) rules that apply to "boosters" as well, and their contact with recruits. Sometimes booster is pretty broadly defined - many people on this board could probably qualify.
Gibs, you bring up an excellent point regarding recruiting and social media. I remember a few years back, lowly DePaul was in the Final 5 for Cliff Alexander out of Chicagos Curie HS. DePaul actually put up a billboard touting the program just outside the school on Pulaski Road. Curie is very near my home and I saw it. There were several "fans" on the DP BBall board I frequent (Bluedemonsnation) were asking everyone to tweet Cliff some love and why he should go to DePaul. Nothing that would raise any flags or anything but just trying to show a collective effort. Now I am a pre millenial and don't tweet much, if at all. I didn't do anything but I know others did including many students, he chose Kansas. Oh well. But I think social media and the NCAA' s view of it is currently in the infantile stages and all it takes is one school that is spurned by a recruit to review tweets and raise "concerns" with the NCAA that will cause them to police it further. Why go there.
I gave $500 to athletics this last season as I was going to buy season tickets and didn't have to thanks to my daughter being a Crusaderette (somehow I thought my 5 Hondo would keep Bryce here ;D). but As Gibs said, I am most likely a booster according to the NCAA. I feel a kid is going to where he feels most comfortable and gives him the biggest chance to succeed and social media will only play a small part. I don't want to be a guy that ultimately cost us a recruit. Saying nice season to a current kid with no strings attached is benign enough if one wanted to do so. If a kid in school reaches out and says you got to come here because we'd all love you is probably benign enough as well but knowing how the NCAA works, when it comes to recruits as opposed to current players, tread lightly.
Quote from: rogerwilco on April 07, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 07, 2016, 03:29:59 PMAlec Peters DID NOT CHECK-OUT! Those words are not in his vocabulary - period.
"Hi, I'm in room 137 and I'd like to ch-ch-ch...I'd like to...ch...ch...leave this hotel and settle my bill." -Alec Peters
You're right Valpo64!!!
"Wow! Did you see that play Lebron made on Sports Center. You should ch-ch-ch-ch...........watch the replay."
It would be really tough not to have that word in your vocabulary. ;)
Quote from: justducky on April 07, 2016, 06:59:36 PM
Quote from: valpospartan on April 07, 2016, 06:29:17 PMSince you seem to know all about this, would you please name the seemingly many graduate transfers that Izzo signs? I'll hang on for your answer.
I hate Izzoenableismazation and you can quote me. ::)
Still hanging on.
Per Oren's twitter. Jubril is not only staying, but is more excited than ever for next season. Also believe I saw he spoke with Tevonn a couple days ago and was told he is excited for the upcoming season as well. College kids love to talk and blow things out of proportion.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Jubril tell a Crusaderette that he was transferring to a school in Alabama. I guess it's pretty serious.
Listen pal, I was only reporting what was being said by at least a few kids on campus. Valpo is a small enough campus where word can get around fairly quickly. I highly doubted it as it didn't make sense and I posted as such with rationale behind it but these are 18-22 year old kids and often times they don't make sense. I know my kid doesn't half the time but I still love her anyway. I just threw it out there as there are several others on this board that are connected with inner workings of the program that may have heard the same thing or refuted it fairly quickly. And you know that there are scumbags and slime balls in the rough and tumble world of college basketball that will pounce on an opportunity to steal a kid from a program going through a coaching right? Heck, they'll even try and poach while the coach is still there. In the end I'm Glad my kid was wrong. Okay?
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 10, 2016, 07:56:03 PMIn the end I'm Glad my kid was wrong. Okay?
Wilco can speak for himself, but, for my part, and I bet for many of us, there are no hard feelings. You gave your source perfectly clearly. We all knew it was word of mouth, filtered a couple of times. And, I know lots of us appreciate your enthusiasm and connection to the university and program.
I figure it's good fun to have a mix of speculation, rumors, inside scoops, legitimate reporting, etc, etc. We don't want to be completely irresponsible, or blow anything _too_ far out of proportion. But, what's the internet for?
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 10, 2016, 07:56:03 PM
Listen pal, I was only reporting what was being said by at least a few kids on campus. Valpo is a small enough campus where word can get around fairly quickly. I highly doubted it as it didn't make sense and I posted as such with rationale behind it but these are 18-22 year old kids and often times they don't make sense. I know my kid doesn't half the time but I still love her anyway. I just threw it out there as there are several others on this board that are connected with inner workings of the program that may have heard the same thing or refuted it fairly quickly. And you know that there are scumbags and slime balls in the rough and tumble world of college basketball that will pounce on an opportunity to steal a kid from a program going through a coaching right? Heck, they'll even try and poach while the coach is still there. In the end I'm Glad my kid was wrong. Okay?
"Listen, pal?" I'm sorry, ValpoDad89, but that seems like an ill-humored reaction to a well-deserved ribbing. I wasn't going to pile on when rogerwilco satirized you, but I did feel that your insights were rumormongering and didn't say anything. Face it; when you report something apocryphal, don't just be glad that you were wrong; accept the backlash for fueling unsubstantiated worry.
ValpoDad, I hope you are not too sensitive. This forum will be very boring if a joke doesn't get thrown out every now and then ;)
Listen pal...If you can't appreciate a good "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" reference and a joke, then you need to breathe some helium and lighten up!
It's all in good fun. :thumbsup:
We all hear things. When I was a student, a common story that went around campus was that Bryce Drew kicked people out of his apartment for cursing. Was it true? I don't know. Was it funny? Oh yeah. So, we had many laughs about that. Another tale that drifted around campus was that Bryce used to run in brand-new Polo shirts that he cut the sleeves off of. Was it true? Oh yeah. I saw it. Was it funny? Super funny. Bryce was kinda lame and tone-deaf to what was considered "cool." He was a goody-goody. However, he was authentic.
Relax ValpoDad89. We're all on the same team and we're having fun. It's the off-season! Don't be like Cameron! Be like Ferris!
I watched a lot of episodes of the Honeymooners when I was younger. Listen Pal is built into my vernacular because of that, so you'll have to forgive me. ::)
People like jokes around here every once in a while. But most of the funny posters have moved on.
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
People like jokes around here every once in a while. But most of the funny posters have moved on.
RIP LPA, SectionEE.
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
People like jokes around here every once in a while. But most of the funny posters have moved on.
Funny, how?
Henry Hill: You're a pistol, you're really funny. You're really funny.
Tommy DeVito: What do you mean I'm funny?
Henry Hill: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.
[laughs]
Tommy DeVito: What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
Henry Hill: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, you know the way you tell the story and everything.
Tommy DeVito: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?
Anthony Stabile: Tommy no, you got it all wrong.
Tommy DeVito: Oh, oh, Anthony. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how?
Henry Hill: Jus...
Tommy DeVito: What?
Henry Hill: Just... ya know... you're funny.
Tommy DeVito: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to :censored:' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Henry Hill: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?
Tommy DeVito: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the :censored: am I funny, what the :censored: is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
Henry Hill: [long pause] Get the :censored: out of here, Tommy!
Tommy DeVito: [everyone laughs] Ya :censored:! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering prick ya. Frankie, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Henry. You may fold under questioning.
Quote from: a3uge on April 11, 2016, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
People like jokes around here every once in a while. But most of the funny posters have moved on.
RIP LPA, SectionEE.
RIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:46:28 PMRIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on
But, mostly anonymous message board and all, you have to wonder how many distinct individuals those five names represent. And whether they're actually gone.
Quote from: agibson on April 11, 2016, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:46:28 PMRIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on
But, mostly anonymous message board and all, you have to wonder how many distinct individuals those five names represent. And whether they're actually gone.
LPA still logs in from time to time, but only to read - never posting anything.
Quote from: agibson on April 11, 2016, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:46:28 PMRIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on
But, mostly anonymous message board and all, you have to wonder how many distinct individuals those five names represent. And whether they're actually gone.
I believe it has been pretty well established that LAA and Saders are the same person.
Guys I really can go through a ribbing and justly I deserved it. I don't rumor monger at all. I try and vet the sources my daughter mentioned and her main source who is prominent at every home game and carries the flag and knows things we don't. This gentleman knows and hangs with Max, Trevonn and David . I knew this going in and when he said what he said to her had a time stamp wait on it, but had carried weight to the extent of that I or we didn't know. Hence why I posted it. Hoping someone knew something more than I did.
They (the players) told him (her source at a party) on Saturday when they knew Bryce went to the Final 4 to interview they felt they needed to look. And they were hurt and had no idea where they would be or where the "new staff" would have them so they were looking at options. These kids had some options, they really did. There was contact I can assure you that. If SI can find that out these kids knew sooner there's no way the kids didn't know more than SI either. It is not hard to know you're coach and his #1 Assistsnt go to the Final Foir for anything but.
But none of them, bless their souls did anything but wait. And our choice in Head Coach ameliorated thier concern and here we are. They know like I and everyone else here, their best option is staying and enjoying the ride that Valpo will give them.
And Roger Wilco, despite seeing the movie several times I missed the reference. Great call my friend. Great call cuz you was spot on. And I didn't need to react the way I did. I am passionate about this program, I truly am because I have become so indifferent to my own, DePaul, that I've grabbed the brass ring of my daughter going here and I love rooting for the proverbial underdog that has the potential to be something so special.
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 11, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
People like jokes around here every once in a while. But most of the funny posters have moved on.
....AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO ARE FUNNY IN OUR OWN MIND!
Okay, let's talk about Alec Peters in specific. Alec has declared for the draft but doesn't have an agent, prudent move on his part. Alec has a great inside / out game, that we know. Alec has been on ESPN more than a few times and people know who he is including NBA people. There really isn't more he can do than kick ass in his workouts.
Now if he doesn't like where he's positioned in the draft, he can come back or transfer. Now I looked at 4 year transfers, they are typically looking for playing time or looking at improving their prominence with a lesser program. Alec doesn't have that worry coming back. He's OUR guy, He's this staffs guy. He will continue to be that man and get multiple touches every possesion. He won't get that at say, Michigan State or even Vandy. Plus he has a loyalty to his fellow players and Valpo that you don't see from a kid. Alec is and has been noticed, all he has to do is build on that. NBA first rounders, outside of blue chippers are made at the NBA camps and individual team workouts.
If Alec impresses and leaves us because the higher league called, good for Valpo as we just produced a draft pick. How can the rest of the rest of the HL compete with that on the recruiting trail. If he doesn't like his draft slot or doesn't get drafted, I like his chances coming back...big time.
I don't think anyone has a good idea of where Alec will be next year right now mostly because I think his biggest influence will be the advice he gets from the NBA scouts in the next month.
I do not think he is NBA ready today and judging by what I'm reading at most mock drafts/NBA draft rankings, the experts don't think so either. He will go through the whole NBA workout landscape for two reasons:
1. (And most importantly) For the chance that he shows up nearly everyone in the gym and impresses the hell out of the scouts against the best competition in the world and jumps up 50-80 spots in the current draft rankings. (I've seen him presently sitting at #32 Junior which isn't anywhere close to being drafted if this holds true.)
2. (And most realistically) To get a better idea at where he sits and to get advice on how to use next season to climb the draft ladder. If the feedback that he gets says dominate in the Horizon, set Valpo records, etc., etc., then he will be back. If the consensus advice is that he needs to prove himself against power 5 talent night in and night out, then I think there is a good chance he will be elsewhere next season. I believe that this is the advice that BW received. I think the reality is that after their Junior seasons, neither had the body of work to make a great case for the NBA... Lucky for Alec, the new rule gives him another stage to prove himself to the scouts.
However, I'm nervous the advice he will get will be the latter...
Double, you bring up good points but what these camps tell you is what you need to work on, now it's up the individual to work on thier deficiencies. They don't talk about potential schools that will help you, they keep it to your individual game. Alec will get advice onto what he needs to do. Valpo can provide him that.
Perspective, Quentin Richardson put DePaul back on the NCAA map back in 2000. He would've been a NBA first rounder had he come out as a freshmen. He didn't. Why? Because the NBA pundits wanted to see him hit from the outside. Q had an inate ability to Rodman and out rebound taller guys. He could do the double hop where he went for a ball, missed it but could launch himself again to get he board or put back They knew that but wanted a more complete game. He delivered his Sophmore year and did just that. He ended up being a lottery pick rather than a high teen pick where he would've been and made millions because of that.
Can Alec build on what he has right now to be 1st Rounder? If he stays and dominates and adheres to the advices of the Pundits can he build on his draft standing, that's up to him. What I know, Lottich will make him a focal point of this offense. Valpo will get some love from ESPN. He will get big time exposure to do what he does best. I can say this, what you do in the predraft camps and what you do you do I the teams (NBA) that is workouts, go a long way on your draftabilty than what you do in college. In fact college can hurt you some if you are an afterthought on a team.
As far as Vandy goes, they have a very good returning team and potential class. Drew would do more harm than good with that team by courting Peters. He would lose what he has big time.
I agree with all of the comments regarding whether Alec will stay or leave, but I would like to add one more perspective. If Alec is not ultimately in the NBA draft (likely) and there is feedback that he needs to somehow prove himself in a Power 5 (6 counting the Big East) conference, he also needs to consider whether options exist where he would start and play big minutes. This reduces the number of possibilities quite a bit, but would leave some options. While I ultimately want him to stay at Valpo, he would (for example) be a very good fit at Kansas given Perry Ellis graduating. This potential opportunity of Peters at Kansas has been mentioned in the local press here. His fit and opportunity gets even better if one of the less developed freshman decided to go into the draft. The point is that there are many moving pieces and no one is going to really know how this shakes out until late May or June.
I would think and hope that Vandy is not an option. Bryce has always been extremely ethical and him going to Vandy would be at least perceived as unethical.
I would add that he would only want to go to a P5/6 program that would (1) have an available slot, (2) guarantee him big minutes AND (3) will be a sure thing to be major player in the NCAAT. Scoring, say 20 PPG and hauling in 7 RPG for a bottom dweller in the B1G or SEC or whatever would bury him. He'd be better off at Valpo scoring 24 PPG and 9 RPG, getting conference POY, and leading Valpo back to the dance. The combination of the three criteria reduce the places he could go to. Obviously Kansas would be ideal. But how many schools out there are sitting there waiting and keeping a slot available for him to decide by May 25th?
Alec is (and has been since I saw him play years ago) my favorite player on the team, so I hope he returns. I agree with the view on this thread that Alec is not close to NBA-ready. I do not think that going to Kansas or any other top program will allow him to be featured as a "hot prospect" for the NBA. Brandon Wood's time at Michigan State certainly did not enhance his draft status. In fact, he clearly was a mere mortal compared to the starting members of that team. I am afraid Alec might incur the same fate, where his weaknesses would be regularly on display on national television. Why risk it?
He's already being compared to a Doug McDermott by the national media. At a top program, just a couple of bad games -- or being relegated to sixth-man status at any point during the season -- would destroy that fine comparison. As we know, the level of play at the top programs is substantially higher. I'm not sure Alec would have been able to match-up well against the 2015 Final Four defenders. At least Valpo will give him the chance to continue to shine and eliminate his weaknesses, thereby positioning him for a realistic shot at the NBA.
The more learned opinions I read here, the more I think a grad transfer would be a huge gamble on Alec's part and the risks would outnumber the benefits.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 13, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
The more learned opinions I read here, the more I think a grad transfer would be a huge gamble on Alec's part and the risks would outnumber the benefits.
Alec has a chance to put up insane numbers at Valpo. The Horizon is full of teams that do not play defense and will give Valpo extra possessions. I can't really think of a grad-tran that improved their draft stock switching to a power conference program. Look at the good mid majors that transfered this year - Ike Namwu, Anton Grady... Damion Lee?
Quote from: bsmith21 on April 13, 2016, 02:00:01 PM
Who was the last Horizon League player to leave early and be drafted? I believe that it was Shelvin Mack but I'm not sure.
Ray McCallum.
Quote from: vu84v2 on April 13, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
I agree with all of the comments regarding whether Alec will stay or leave, but I would like to add one more perspective. If Alec is not ultimately in the NBA draft (likely) and there is feedback that he needs to somehow prove himself in a Power 5 (6 counting the Big East) conference, he also needs to consider whether options exist where he would start and play big minutes. This reduces the number of possibilities quite a bit, but would leave some options. While I ultimately want him to stay at Valpo, he would (for example) be a very good fit at Kansas given Perry Ellis graduating. This potential opportunity of Peters at Kansas has been mentioned in the local press here. His fit and opportunity gets even better if one of the less developed freshman decided to go into the draft. The point is that there are many moving pieces and no one is going to really know how this shakes out until late May or June.
Josh Jackson, a 6-foot-7 guard and Rivals.com's top-ranked player in the class of 2016, committed to the Kansas men's basketball team
on Monday. While not an exact fill in for Ellis I don't think if I were Alec that I would want to potentially compete with a "one and done" for playing time. This kid doesn't really play like a guard.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article71267547.html#storylink=cpy
And that my friends is the big issue with the big time programs. They are over recruiting guys on their rosters as it is now. Most of the real big boys take 4 year guys to fill a need. Defense specialist, outside shooter rather than be a focal point of their team. Plus they don't want to alienate the big time recruits they spent big time on in both money and well, time.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 13, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
The more learned opinions I read here, the more I think a grad transfer would be a huge gamble on Alec's part and the risks would outnumber the benefits.
I really think you're letting your normally rational thoughts be clouded by the probable calls from this message board for Alec to stay because, well, we like him and Valpo suffers if he doesn't come back. Put yourself in Alec's shoes, or Alec's parents' shoes. There are a lot more pluses to playing P5/6 basketball than I'm seeing in this thread. Games on TV stations with big ratings which leads to exposure to more people that post on forums that are read more widely, etc.
Rational thoughts have no place on this board....you get a 3 day ban for posting such nonsense. :-X
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Quote from: VULB#62 on April 13, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
The more learned opinions I read here, the more I think a grad transfer would be a huge gamble on Alec's part and the risks would outnumber the benefits.
I really think you're letting your normally rational thoughts be clouded by the probable calls from this message board for Alec to stay because, well, we like him and Valpo suffers if he doesn't come back. Put yourself in Alec's shoes, or Alec's parents' shoes. There are a lot more pluses to playing P5/6 basketball than I'm seeing in this thread. Games on TV stations with big ratings which leads to exposure to more people that post on forums that are read more widely, etc.
More cable TV exposure might benefit somebody who no one has ever heard of, but Alec doesn't need to be "discovered" by some channel surfing talent scout. He is already on everyone's radar, and will be even more so if he does well in tryouts. Whoever wants to watch him in a televised game probably knows how to call up ESPN 3 on the ol' laptop.
The more important issue has already been raised with good points on both sides - would playing against higher-rated competition be to Alec's advantage? As has been noted, there it
probably isn't a 1-size-fits-all answer.
I certainly agree that there is risk with moving to a power 5/6 conference, but isn't that what it's all about? Shooting for the highest league in the land is a risk worth taking. Even if he doesn't get the prolific scoring numbers, he would at least get a ton of experience against the type of talent that he's going to play in the NBA camps.
I'm just afraid, for Alec's sake, that since averaging 19ppg/9rpg in the Horizon hasn't put him on anyone's NBA Draft radar so far (that I can see), coming back and averaging 22ppg/10rpg isn't going to shoot him up the boards unless Valpo gets a win or two in the NCAAT next year.
I really hope I'm wrong! (Fingers crossed that he comes back, drops 28/12, we make a S16 run, and Alec's a lottery pick!) ;D
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Quote from: vu84v2 on April 13, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
I agree with all of the comments regarding whether Alec will stay or leave, but I would like to add one more perspective. If Alec is not ultimately in the NBA draft (likely) and there is feedback that he needs to somehow prove himself in a Power 5 (6 counting the Big East) conference, he also needs to consider whether options exist where he would start and play big minutes. This reduces the number of possibilities quite a bit, but would leave some options. While I ultimately want him to stay at Valpo, he would (for example) be a very good fit at Kansas given Perry Ellis graduating. This potential opportunity of Peters at Kansas has been mentioned in the local press here. His fit and opportunity gets even better if one of the less developed freshman decided to go into the draft. The point is that there are many moving pieces and no one is going to really know how this shakes out until late May or June.
Josh Jackson, a 6-foot-7 guard and Rivals.com's top-ranked player in the class of 2016, committed to the Kansas men's basketball team on Monday. While not an exact fill in for Ellis I don't think if I were Alec that I would want to potentially compete with a "one and done" for playing time. This kid doesn't really play like a guard.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article71267547.html#storylink=cpy
Jackson is a pure 3 while, like Ellis, Peters is a 4 that can also go outside. Jackson playing the 4 would involve KU playing small, which they seldom do. Carlton Bragg, who is a 4/5, deciding to stay for a year at Kansas does reduce the likelihood of a graduate transfer getting a 'nearly guaranteed' 25-30 minutes per game at KU.
I saw the team entering Kelsey's Steakhouse a couple of days ago. This does not bode well for recruiting or the program going forward. I was there, I saw it. Believe it.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 14, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
I saw the team entering Kelsey's Steakhouse a couple of days ago. This does not bode well for recruiting or the program going forward. I was there, I saw it. Believe it.
Are we supposed to be reading between the lines, or is this just some kind of a dig at Kelsey's, or too much saturated fat, or something?
Vashil was on social media about it - called it his last dinner with the team.
Quote from: wh on April 14, 2016, 08:18:52 AMWhoever wants to watch him in a televised game probably knows how to call up ESPN 3 on the ol' laptop.
I think this is true for everyone on this message board but I agree that there are many who only watch cable TV, and a few who only watch on-air TV, and they don't know about watching Valpo or Alec. Those same people spend a lot of collective money on the NCAA programs that they like. Could they be potential Valpo fans--ala ValpoDad--most certainly. I know that you know a lot of people such as this.
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That's impressive. Good company.
If you are good enough and are ready for the NBA, the scouts will find you...We have had scouts at some of our home games this past season. Alec's exposure is not a problem
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Quote from: wh on April 14, 2016, 08:18:52 AMWhoever wants to watch him in a televised game probably knows how to call up ESPN 3 on the ol' laptop.
I think this is true for everyone on this message board but I agree that there are many who only watch cable TV, and a few who only watch on-air TV, and they don't know about watching Valpo or Alec. Those same people spend a lot of collective money on the NCAA programs that they like. Could they be potential Valpo fans--ala ValpoDad--most certainly. I know that you know a lot of people such as this.
NBA scouts and other talent evaluators are assigned to follow specific players at scecific times. If they observe Alec in person, they'll figure out how to get to the ARC. If they are told to watch a specific televised game they'll figure out out to access it. That's what I'm referring to. What fans tune in to is meaningless.
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Quote from: Just Sayin on April 14, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
I saw the team entering Kelsey's Steakhouse a couple of days ago. This does not bode well for recruiting or the program going forward. I was there, I saw it. Believe it.
Are we supposed to be reading between the lines, or is this just some kind of a dig at Kelsey's, or too much saturated fat, or something?
Vashil was on social media about it - called it his last dinner with the team.
:-X
Recruiting seems to be going well, in spite of Bryce leaving us with 3 openings. It sounds like the key players are all excited about next season. The only question mark is what Peters does, so I am not sure what you are insinuating
Again, here's the thing. Being close to DePauls program at one time and a season ticket holder, I saw and talked several times with Wilson Chandler who came to DePaul as 3* recruit. He was somewhat heralded out MI Benton Harbor and struggled at times his freshman year, was suspended on 2 different occasions and thought about leaving. Came back his Sophmore year, put up decent stats (no where near Alec's) and decided to go pro after his 2nd year. Went to the NBA camps and worked out for a number of NBA teams and went from a fringe 2nd rounder to the 21st pick overall in the 1st Round or so, to the Knicks. You draw attention, like Alec did, during your season but you help yourself in the group camps and team workouts. Alec is a known commodity now. Where he projects after his off season / predraft workouts will help or hurt him in his quest to be an NBA player. Transferring really will not help his overall stock in my opinion. But some of that is wishful thinking as well. He doesn't translate well helps us as I think he returns, he leaves to be drafted as he projects to be really helps recruiting as the staff can point to the fact we can get you to the NBA even playing in the HL.
I completely forgot that Valpo would have to willingly release Peters from his scholarship, if he were to use the graduate transfer rule:
http://www.cougcenter.com/wsu-cougars-basketball/2016/4/20/11476394/valentine-izundu-transfer-sdsu-blocked-wsu-basketball
No Valpotx, there will be willingness on Valpo's part. If Alec completes his 4 year studies in the summer and the school he wants to attend has graduate programs that Valpo does offer he's free to attend that school. No strings, no nothing. Let's face it, they find a program, especially at larger schools, for those kids to enroll into.
The example you pointed out is tampering, that will be hard to prove, especially now that Alec has declared for the draft. Very rarely, if at all, until you've showed something, have I seen a kid held back due to tampering. Where we are at, and while it may suck, would not paint is in a good light with up and coming recruits.
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 24, 2016, 08:18:41 PM
No Valpotx, there will be willingness on Valpo's part. If Alec completes his 4 year studies in the summer and the school he wants to attend has graduate programs that Valpo does not offer he's free to attend that school. No strings, no nothing. Let's face it, they find a program, especially at larger schools, for those kids to enroll into.
The example you pointed out is tampering, that will be hard to prove, especially now that Alec has declared for the draft. Very rarely, if at all, until you've showed something, have I seen a kid held back due to tampering. Where we are at, and while it may suck, would not paint is in a good light with up and coming recruits.
I think I fixed your post (bold)
Thanks 62, you felt me and I appreciate that!!!
Felder invited to the NBA combine: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2505.0
Any word on how Alec did in SLC?
still working out.
Paul retweeted this with the note that Alec not on the list with 11 more slots to fill.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/727120355899412480
Up to 64 and 13 alternates. I still don't see Alec's name?
Is the probability of having Peters and Carter next year increasing?
So Malik Beasley makes it. Against FSU Alec laid 26 on them and Beasley had 14 and wasn't even their team's top scorer. But then that was not a typical audition work out.
Alec is most likely better than a lot of these names. This is unfortunate for him. I don't get how Layman from Maryland gets such love. He must have lit up every team, as he didn't look like anything special against us in the tourney last year. He just looked like another guy that sits on the perimeter.
Alec is a blue collar BB player. Not flashy. No windmill dunks. No in-your-face stuff. He is team first, me second. He just gets er done. That does't always get rewarded in camps, combines or audition workouts. He's a gem and we've got him (I hope).
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/727278314247835650
Per Goodman per Oren, Peters working out with Houston and Boston. Perhaps Brad Stevens brings a higher level of respect/understanding for what a Peters-type player (team-oriented fighter/winner in the HL) can bring to a team?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was standing right next to Peters when this tweet went out. He nodded his head. #HLMBB (https://twitter.com/hashtag/HLMBB?src=hash) https://t.co/nFXGaGRKjd (https://t.co/nFXGaGRKjd)</p>— Paul Oren (@NWIOren) May 3, 2016 (https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/727615266935410688)
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Peters is definitely a Brad Stevens type player.
3 point shooting and spreading the floor is the future of the NBA. Peters can hit any shot in the gym. I really hope he gets his shot in the NBA someday. I very very selfishly hope he wait till another year to make the NBA ;). I'd be the first to buy a Peters NBA jersey.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 03, 2016, 05:37:53 PM
Peters is definitely a Brad Stevens type player.
3 point shooting and spreading the floor is the future of the NBA. Peters can hit any shot in the gym. I really hope he gets his shot in the NBA someday. I very very selfishly hope he wait till another year to make the NBA ;). I'd be the first to buy a Peters NBA jersey.
If you're right, and Golden State would certainly agree, then Rowdy will be playing as well. Shooting over 46% from well beyond the 3 line and, as we all recall, he is one heck of a rebounder as well.
http://pickandroll.com.au/beyond-europe-broekhoffs-rio-success-key-unlocking-nba-career/
you have to play not just good but great defense too. Just ask George Hill, ooops, maybe not.
BTW, tomorrow, Star Wars day, is the Broad Ripple and IUPUI star's, George Hill's birthday.
May the farce of your hair color be with you!
(http://cbssports.com/images/visual/whatshot/georgehillblond.jpg)
Quote from: Vale O. Paradise on May 03, 2016, 04:51:34 PM
Per Goodman per Oren, Peters working out with Houston and Boston. Perhaps Brad Stevens brings a higher level of respect/understanding for what a Peters-type player (team-oriented fighter/winner in the HL) can bring to a team?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was standing right next to Peters when this tweet went out. He nodded his head. #HLMBB (https://twitter.com/hashtag/HLMBB?src=hash) https://t.co/nFXGaGRKjd (https://t.co/nFXGaGRKjd)</p>— Paul Oren (@NWIOren) May 3, 2016 (https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/727615266935410688)
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Just to be clear, the tweet Alec was nodding at was _not_ the "If you're not in the combine, go back to college" tweet. It was this:
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Not that Paradise said any differently - the quote just got garbled.
I think it's comical that there is a narrative that grad transfers should transfer to larger programs in their final year to get notice by NBA scouts. Every single game is streamed this days, there is a no budgetary restrictions on scouts on where they can go. If you can play you will be scouted no matter where you play. I saw 2 nba scouts at the Valpo vs. Oakland game in Valpo this year.
There were more then that at the game vs. Iona...you are right. They will find you if you can play.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 04, 2016, 11:59:35 AM
I think it's comical that there is a narrative that grad transfers should transfer to larger programs in their final year to get notice by NBA scouts.
I interpret it somewhat less as "make sure there are eyeballs on you" and more as "make sure that you'll be seen competing against top level competition so that they'll take you seriously".
The first _might_ apply too. Maybe you attract a few scouts at Podunk U, but at Big Name U there will be those couple still looking at you (perhaps), and another ten looking at your all-star teammates, who might be impressed when they notice you on the court.
*shrug*
I can see an "is it better to be a big fish in a small pond or a small- to medium-size fish in a big pond" kind of an argument. Not always easy to know the best path to success or happiness in those situations.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/728327493216776192
I'm hoping that Alec gets a really good workout with the Celts and that Brad Stevens takes the time to indicate to him what he needs to work on going into next season I also hope, that as a former HL coach who knows the caliber of play in the league, he tells Alec to stay at Valpo and that they'll want to see him again after next season. The Celts would be a great place for him to eventually land. Great city. Great organization. And, at least according to Boston media, the next great NBA coach.
FWIW: ESPN's Jeff Goodman stated this morning on Twitter that his "guess" is that Alec Peters will return to Valpo.
Quote from: covufan on May 05, 2016, 04:06:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/728327493216776192
I'm glad he is getting the opportunity to work out individually with teams. Good for him. I'm sure he'll get some good feedback.
Quote from: valpopal on May 06, 2016, 10:00:17 AM
FWIW: ESPN's Jeff Goodman stated this morning on Twitter that his "guess" is that Alec Peters will return to Valpo.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/728569465500278784
I also hope that Stevens gives better advice than most NBA coaches would, as I have to believe they would tell him to go Power 5. Stevens knows that it can be done in the HL, since he had several top players that got NBA looks and are still on NBA teams.
I would love to have been a fly on the wall in the three facilities where Alec's work outs took place. I also would have liked to fly off the wall and closer by when the coaches told him what their evaluations were. I wonder who, if anyone (besides Alec, of course), has any of that information and willing to even share a tiny bit of it).
The NBA has player evaluation down to a science. They are able grade every element of a player's skill set regardless of the competition. They're evaluating players at every level, including D-1 major, midajor, low major, JC, European and other foreign, even high school. That said, they're always going to encourage players to play at the highest level. It makes scouting and evaluation easier. That said, they already have a baseline and book on Alec. If, over the next year, he improves enough from where he currently grades out, he might get selected. If not, he'll probably be headed to Europe.
My understanding of the situation is this (and I'm more than willing to accept that my sources could be completely right or completely wrong, but this is a message board, so we discuss things...):
Alec does have the desire to play at a level where there are more games that are more visible. The lure of a school that regularly plays on TV, on major networks and gets great ratings is very strong.
That doesn't mean he wants to or is set on leaving Valpo...but that's the scuttlebutt that I've been hearing.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on May 10, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
My understanding of the situation is this (and I'm more than willing to accept that my sources could be completely right or completely wrong, but this is a message board, so we discuss things...):
Alec does have the desire to play at a level where there are more games that are more visible. The lure of a school that regularly plays on TV, on major networks and gets great ratings is very strong.
That doesn't mean he wants to or is set on leaving Valpo...but that's the scuttlebutt that I've been hearing.
Maybe he does want those things. But maybe he gets a far more diminished role at a school that would fit that description. One thing he can be assured of is that staying at Valpo means he will be the focal point of just about everything when he is on the court. There is little to no guarantee he would be getting that opportunity at a bigger school.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on May 10, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
My understanding of the situation is this (and I'm more than willing to accept that my sources could be completely right or completely wrong, but this is a message board, so we discuss things...):
Alec does have the desire to play at a level where there are more games that are more visible. The lure of a school that regularly plays on TV, on major networks and gets great ratings is very strong.
That doesn't mean he wants to or is set on leaving Valpo...but that's the scuttlebutt that I've been hearing.
Well, I assume this means that Peters will come back to Valpo. He's extremely loyal.
I'm hearing the same thing as valpohoops. That he will be playing south of valpo.
Hopefully we are wrong about him leaving like we've been wrong about several other things this spring.
Damn.... if Peters leaves it would just an absolute kick to the gut. I always thought Bryce was going to leave in the near future, so it wasn't that much of a kick to the gut and is somewhat understandable to me. If Peters leaves I never would have saw that coming.
This will be interesting. If he transfers anywhere except for Vandy, I will be supportive of him.
I wouldn't read much into it - maybe he's still on the road. But no Peters at commencement. Jubril and Keith are here. Vashil yesterday.
If Alec leaves, and with no Keith, and with 4 scholarships to fill this late in the recruiting season, the program will have lost all it's positive momentum practically overnight.
Quote from: agibson on May 15, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
I wouldn't read much into it - maybe he's still on the road. But no Peters at commencement. Jubril and Keith are here. Vashil yesterday.
A little to my surprise, Roger Powell was here for the ceremony. Nice of him to come out and support the graduates.
I agree with WH.
I feel sorry for Matt if he has to plan the season without Alec slotted into the lineup. If that's the case, the team will have gone from the Horizon favorite to a decent-but-not-outstanding contender. We will still have talent, but the holes will be glaringly obvious. I worry about the mental effect on the team as a whole. So many negative changes and off-season disruption to a formerly cohesive program. :-*
Quote from: agibson on May 15, 2016, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: agibson on May 15, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
I wouldn't read much into it - maybe he's still on the road. But no Peters at commencement. Jubril and Keith are here. Vashil yesterday.
A little to my surprise, Roger Powell was here for the ceremony. Nice of him to come out and support the graduates.
Didn't I read somewhere that Powell was getting a Master's this year?
It was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
Off season has not been kind. Bryce leaves, Skara leaves, K. Carter leaves and possibly Peters.
Most of the recruits or transfers didn't come. Not a good start.
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on May 15, 2016, 11:25:58 PM
It was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
The positive here is that he can't declare as a graduate transfer, until he is going to graduate. I have to believe that most top schools will be filling their slots before he finishes his summer session? Also, Carter isn't 'leaving,' he is being screwed by the NCAA :)
Quote from: valpotx on May 16, 2016, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on May 15, 2016, 11:25:58 PM
It was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
The positive here is that he can't declare as a graduate transfer, until he is going to graduate. I have to believe that most top schools will be filling their slots before he finishes his summer session? Also, Carter isn't 'leaving,' he is being screwed by the NCAA :)
For a guy like Peters, teams will find a spot for him regardless if/when he decides to leave. He's too good not to, and only has a spot for a year unlike a traditional transfer.
Quote from: valpotx on May 16, 2016, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on May 15, 2016, 11:25:58 PM
It was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
The positive here is that he can't declare as a graduate transfer, until he is going to graduate. I have to believe that most top schools will be filling their slots before he finishes his summer session? Also, Carter isn't 'leaving,' he is being screwed by the NCAA :)
And Valpo is appealing the appeal denial.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 16, 2016, 11:39:28 AM
Quote from: valpotx on May 16, 2016, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on May 15, 2016, 11:25:58 PM
It was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
The positive here is that he can't declare as a graduate transfer, until he is going to graduate. I have to believe that most top schools will be filling their slots before he finishes his summer session? Also, Carter isn't 'leaving,' he is being screwed by the NCAA :)
For a guy like Peters, teams will find a spot for him regardless if/when he decides to leave. He's too good not to, and only has a spot for a year unlike a traditional transfer.
I don't know if you are holding out hope for Butler, but he won't be going there :). I have to believe that it would be a Big 10 school.
Quote from: covufan on May 15, 2016, 10:48:21 PMDidn't I read somewhere that Powell was getting a Master's this year?
Ah, right you are.
I recycled my program, and a little to my surprise don't find one on the commencement web page.
But, here we go
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Quote from: ValpoDad89 on May 15, 2016, 11:25:58 PMIt was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
Interesting. He was listed in the graduation program, but it may well be that's allowed if you anticipate graduating based on summer credits.
I do wonder how the scholarship situation works. I think their scholarships do cover summer classes, but is it _next_ year's scholarship, or _last_ year's scholarship?
I think it was a bone of contention for some Milwaukee players - when they asked for their release to talk to other programs, I believe they were told that it would be at the expense of their funding for this summer. Obviously a different situation than Alec's. And, anyway, I hope we would give Alec the summer scholarship even if we knew he was leaving. (Unless, _maybe_, it somehow seemed like it would cost us a recruit.)
Most students who are anticipated to finish their coursework in the summer still walk in May. There degree is just not officially conferred until later. I'd imagine that is the case with Alec as well.
Quote from: agibson on May 16, 2016, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on May 15, 2016, 11:25:58 PMIt was my understanding that Peters would be finishing his course work during the Summer. If so, once completed, he's a free agent.
Interesting. He was listed in the graduation program, but it may well be that's allowed if you anticipate graduating based on summer credits.
I do wonder how the scholarship situation works. I think their scholarships do cover summer classes, but is it _next_ year's scholarship, or _last_ year's scholarship?
I think it was a bone of contention for some Milwaukee players - when they asked for their release to talk to other programs, I believe they were told that it would be at the expense of their funding for this summer. Obviously a different situation than Alec's. And, anyway, I hope we would give Alec the summer scholarship even if we knew he was leaving. (Unless, _maybe_, it somehow seemed like it would cost us a recruit.)
So....mid majors pay for four years of education and only receive three seasons of play. And in Smits' case maybe only two? Sounds like a great deal for the player and the P5 schools. Mid majors develop the fringe P5 recruits into P5 level players and just when they can help the mid major school compete with P5 schools they graduate and transfer to a P5 school for their last year. The mid major equivalent of one (or two) and done.
The rich get richer...
BTW, doesn't Alec have to formally withdraw his name from NBA consideration before May 25th (or something like that) to remain college eligible? And has that happened yet? Or does the fact that he was not invited to the combine automatically withdraw him?
Yes, he has to formally withdraw his name, since he declared. If intends to pursue the graduate transfer as well, he would need to state as such, I believe.
Semir Sahic, Vanderbilt's 6'9" forward has decided to transfer to Tulane. This does not appear to be a welcome development right at the time of Peters' decision.
Peters would still be playing behind Kornet, as Sahic would have done. Kornet is not a 7'1" Center, but more of a PF.
Quote from: valpopal on May 20, 2016, 09:31:50 AM
Semir Sahic, Vanderbilt's 6'9" forward has decided to transfer to Tulane. This does not appear to be a welcome development right at the time of Peters' decision.
He only averaged 4.7 minutes per game in 22 games. With Damien Jones going pro, I would have thought his minutes would greatly increase.
The number of transfers the last few years is staggering.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/733451154055680001
Interestingly, Peters has worked out for Boston (8 picks in this years NBA draft) and now Denver (5 picks in draft). Not sure I'd want to be anything but a first round pick (for an early entry).
I'm pretty sure I don't have a clue what the NBA folks want in players. As an example, Malik Beasley is a consensus first rounder while a player like Gary Payton II is projected to be a low second rounder. Payton was one of the top 5 players I saw play against Valpo with 25 points and 11 rebounds while Beasley was not very impressive going for 14 points, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls. :crazy:
To be further confused consider that Payton was a First Team All Pac 12 and all Defensive team member while Beasley wasn't picked on either the first, second or third team all ACC teams. He did make honorable mention.
I would much rather see him in an NBA jersey next season, than wearing another college jersey elsewhere. It would be like when Joe Montana played for the Chiefs. Something would just be off. It didn't feel that way with Wood, but would feel like that for Peters, since he is someone that embodies the mid-major with a chip on his shoulder. Seeing him in a Power 5 jersey would tell me that he went back on his views, as he has always talked about how those schools bypassed him, and told him he couldn't play right away.
Quote from: valpotx on May 20, 2016, 09:58:06 AM
Peters would still be playing behind Kornet, as Sahic would have done. Kornet is not a 7'1" Center, but more of a PF.
I believe Kornet could play center in a Bryce Drew offense. How often did Adekoya play center? Also, if needed, Alec could move over to the 3 position at times. Bryce might even be doing Alec a favor by playing him at the 3 position since that is how NBA teams view him. I have no doubt Bryce would make it work for Alec, though I hate the idea of Peters leaving and wearing another uniform. In fact, I just saw Alec practicing with the Denver Nuggets, and I didn't even like seeing him in their blue uniforms.
As mentioned before, I would lose a lot of respect for Bryce, if Alec ends up at Vandy. It's one thing for Jordan Johnson to end up at UNLV (where Jeter is as an Assistant) since his coach was fired. It is a completely different thing for players to follow their coach who got 'promoted' to a Power 5 program, as it would indicate some type of behind-the-scenes talks. Alec has not indicated that he will use the graduate transfer rule, and if he goes to Vandy within a few days of un-declaring from the draft, the NCAA would need to investigate.
Q and A with Alec:
http://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/prospect-qa-alec-peters-052016
Quote from: articleI didn't want it to end. I loved the team we had.
I don't know why, but the tone of this made me think it's over. Hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: rink on May 20, 2016, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: articleI didn't want it to end. I loved the team we had.
I don't know why, but the tone of this made me think it's over. Hope I'm wrong.
If Carter had gotten another year and Skara had not been a pawn in a sleazy power play then maybe if Peters didn't go pro then maybe he would have finished at Valpo. Now with greatly reduced chances of the team making national noise next season unfortunately it makes some sense for him to try to shine with P5 team to up his chances of an NBA draft selection.
But mid majors have got to address the issue of paying for summer school classes that enable their best players to graduate early and move immediately to P5 schools. Otherwise they are reduced to being farm clubs for the big boys.
It appears that there is a different bunch of 6 working out for Denver today based some of the other stories posted around Alec's.
Quote from: vu72 on May 20, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Q and A with Alec:
http://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/prospect-qa-alec-peters-052016
Quote from: nkvu on May 20, 2016, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: rink on May 20, 2016, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: articleI didn't want it to end. I loved the team we had.
I don't know why, but the tone of this made me think it's over. Hope I'm wrong.
If Carter had gotten another year and Skara had not been a pawn in a sleazy power play then maybe if Peters didn't go pro then maybe he would have finished at Valpo. Now with greatly reduced chances of the team making national noise next season unfortunately it makes some sense for him to try to shine with P5 team to up his chances of an NBA draft selection.
But mid majors have got to address the issue of paying for summer school classes that enable their best players to graduate early and move immediately to P5 schools. Otherwise they are reduced to being farm clubs for the big boys.
This has been hashed and rehashed but it seems to me that playing at Valpo won't hurt and could very well help his chances with the NBA. At Valpo he will be THE guy. Unless he decides to play at a low level P5 team he probably won't be THE guy. If you look at most Mock drafts, about 25% of the players (15) are from overseas or Mid-majors. If the pros can find guys overseas, they certainly will find time to watch Alec play at Valpo.
I'm with you 72. I also think Matt knows that too and will design more "Alec plays" that will enable him to carry the team in games and be even more featured. It's a win-win for Alec and Valpo. Alec has an opportunity and the skills to not only be "the guy" on our team, he will dominate most games in the HL. And with Felder gone the HL will make him the the face of the HL. I think his exposure to the pros these couple of weeks will have had a positive impact on his take charge attitude i.e., give him even greater confidence than he had last year. If he opts for a P5 he would have to adjust to a new coach, a new system, possibly a new role, and he would be breaking into an established roster and team culture. On top of that, as you mentioned, he probably will not be "the guy" like he would be at Valpo (unless he went to a weaker P5 team). But that is my avatar doing the talking ;)
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 21, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
I'm with you 72. I also think Matt knows that too and will design more "Alec plays" that will enable him to carry the team in games and be even more featured. It's a win-win for Alec and Valpo. Alec has an opportunity and the skills to not only be "the guy" on our team, he will dominate most games in the HL. And with Felder gone the HL will make him the the face of the HL. I think his exposure to the pros these couple of weeks will have had a positive impact on his take charge attitude i.e., give him even greater confidence than he had last year. If he opts for a P5 he would have to adjust to a new coach, a new system, possibly a new role, and he would be breaking into an established roster and team culture. On top of that, as you mentioned, he probably will not be "the guy" like he would be at Valpo (unless he went to a weaker P5 team). But that is my avatar doing the talking ;)
Hope he sees it your way.
He also mentioned that he likes the underdog mentality. He wouldn't get that at a Power 5, and if he goes to a weak Power 5, he won't win like he wants to.
There's no chance Alec will be at Vandy next season. Can we stop this speculation. It's not going to happen.
There is also no chance Alec will be in the NBA next year, we should close that argument also.
Quote from: usc4valpo on May 22, 2016, 08:42:59 AM
There is also no chance Alec will be in the NBA next year, we should close that argument also.
Let's wait to close this on May 25th.
If he is not at Vandy, I can't see him going anywhere else at this point. He wouldn't have talked to any coaches at other schools, even though his AAU/HS coaches will have done so. I can't see Alec wanting to start at another school and getting to know a coach he hasn't played with, unless he spends the majority of his summer getting acclimated. The longer he doesn't declare as a Graduate Transfer, the more it works in our favor.
Sounds like Valpo could really use Peters against Kentucky next season.
Hope it pays well. Should be a "memorable" experience for the players.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 23, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 21, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
I'm with you 72. I also think Matt knows that too and will design more "Alec plays" that will enable him to carry the team in games and be even more featured. It's a win-win for Alec and Valpo. Alec has an opportunity and the skills to not only be "the guy" on our team, he will dominate most games in the HL. And with Felder gone the HL will make him the the face of the HL. I think his exposure to the pros these couple of weeks will have had a positive impact on his take charge attitude i.e., give him even greater confidence than he had last year. If he opts for a P5 he would have to adjust to a new coach, a new system, possibly a new role, and he would be breaking into an established roster and team culture. On top of that, as you mentioned, he probably will not be "the guy" like he would be at Valpo (unless he went to a weaker P5 team). But that is my avatar doing the talking ;)
A counter to that which I'm sure has at least been presented to his HS and AAU coaches is that at a Football 5/Big East program, he's going to be practicing with and playing against a much higher level of competition that will do a better job of preparing him for the NBA than playing at Valpo against the teams in the Horizon League. Also, even if he is the 2nd or 3rd option on one of those teams, he'll still get more exposure than he would as the face of the Horizon League. The pitch will also be that the coaching, strength training and other facilities at these programs are well above what he'd get at Valpo, and again, would help get his game to the point where he could play in the NBA or be drafted even higher than what he could get at Valpo. The flip side is that if he isn't ready for the league, playing at one of those programs is going to expose the holes in his game a lot faster than playing in the Horizon League will, so it isn't all positives from that standpoint. Also, if Valpo truly does design the offense around him (and they should), he'll be able to showcase the full range of his abilities more frequently, even if it is against lesser competition.
In my opinion, if he does come back to Valpo, it's more out of loyalty to the program and school (which isn't a bad thing) than it is a decision based strictly on his professional future. You can get discovered no matter where you are by NBA scouts, but if the decision is purely about playing and preparing to play at the next level, then only in the rarest of circumstances (i.e. Gonzaga, Wichita State) are you going to be just as well off as you would be in a non-Football 5/Big East program. I say this knowing that whether or not Peters does transfer, he isn't coming to Butler, so I'm not saying this because I hope he is leaning one way or the other. Just my opinion.
Interesting Dawg, but I'm not buying it. Weight training? Really? Have you checked out the bio of Valpo's strength training staff? What? Are the weights more pleasing to the eye? Other facilities? Alec has plenty of baskets to shoot at. More comfortable rooms in which to relax? I'll bite on that one. Better foosball tables? Probably.
As for better guys to practice against? I love this one. This is the same stuff posted about Skara, although the teams mentioned (Georgia Tech, TCU, among others) were all ranked lower than Valpo (Sagarin). When you look at the Power 5, again via the Sagarin's, Valpo was ranke higher then 7 teams in the ACC, 7 teams in the Big10, 4 teams in the Big12, 10 teams in the Southeastern, and 8 teams in the Pac12.
That does leave some teams with better players but if he ends up going to one of the best teams and thus a Nationally ranked top 25, clearly he will be one of several very good and probable NBA candidates who aren't going to be very happy about the grad transfer guy who is a strong Christian, and who probably may not "fit" very well after missing years together with the others, wanting to get their minutes and their shots.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 23, 2016, 09:07:33 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 23, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
Interesting Dawg, but I'm not buying it. Weight training? Really? Have you checked out the bio of Valpo's strength training staff? What? Are the weights more pleasing to the eye? Other facilities? Alec has plenty of baskets to shoot at. More comfortable rooms in which to relax? I'll bite on that one. Better foosball tables? Probably.
As for better guys to practice against? I love this one. This is the same stuff posted about Skara, although the teams mentioned (Georgia Tech, TCU, among others) were all ranked lower than Valpo (Sagarin). When you look at the Power 5, again via the Sagarin's, Valpo was ranke higher then 7 teams in the ACC, 7 teams in the Big10, 4 teams in the Big12, 10 teams in the Southeastern, and 8 teams in the Pac12.
That does leave some teams with better players but if he ends up going to one of the best teams and thus a Nationally ranked top 25, clearly he will be one of several very good and probable NBA candidates who aren't going to be very happy about the grad transfer guy who is a strong Christian, and who probably may not "fit" very well after missing years together with the others, wanting to get their minutes and their shots.
I should have clarified. If Peters were to transfer, it wouldn't be to a TCU or Georgia Tech or other bottom tier Football 5 school that Valpo outperformed as a team the last few seasons. He could go to the elite of the elite, the Dukes, the Marylands, Arizonas, Kentuckys, Michigan States of the world would all come knocking on his door. Now, I'm sure that Derek Bol does a fine job as a strength and conditioning coach, but even at the lower tiered football 5 programs, they have a strength coach that focuses solely on the basketball team vs. 3 teams during the year. It's also not just weight lifting, it's nutrition, it's sleep and rest management and it's the ability to stay on these guys about what they're putting into their bodies 24/7 that these programs have that others (including Butler), don't.
Besides the fact that just because last year's Valpo team was really good doesn't mean that this year's team will be just as good without Skara, Walker, Carter, Fernandez and Nickerson, it's also about who he's playing against in games when the scouts are there. If Valpo plays Kentucky that's a huge feather in your cap. However, looking at Kenpom (which closely resembles Sagarin's ratings), while Valpo was rated 40th overall, the Horizon League had 1 other top 100 team (Oakland). These are how many top 100 teams the Football 5/Big East have vs. the total number of schools in the conference - Big12 (8/10), ACC (13/15), Big East (8/10), Pac 12 (9/12), Big10 (10/14), SEC (11/14). He simply won't get that kind of competition on a night-in, night-out basis in the Horizon.
I also really find your take that his teammates wouldn't be happy about a guy who is a strong Christian transferring in vs. another religion or no religion at all to be...interesting. 99.9% of the time, his teammates will either not be impacted by or be happy that he is so strong in his faith. If anything that quality would endear him to his new teammates and probably help him bond even quicker with some of them. Also, the majority of top draft prospects are still freshmen, so if he does decide to transfer, he'd have as much bonding time with them as any other member of the team. Plus, to the other guys who have been there for awhile, if he helped them win, they'd get over any personal misgivings that still might remain after they got to know him.
A large part of me hopes he stays, because it's fun to see other programs in Indiana do well, but as a fan who has seen Butler go from the Horizon League to the Big East, the difference in terms of the programs and individual players that you compete against is both small and significant. Small in that in a game or two here and there isn't as big of a deal as fans of those leagues might make it seem, but significant in that going through an entire conference season against those teams and players is brutal comparatively speaking. Sorry for the long post, and hopefully you get some good news here in a day or two.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 23, 2016, 09:07:33 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 23, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
Interesting Dawg, but I'm not buying it. Weight training? Really? Have you checked out the bio of Valpo's strength training staff? What? Are the weights more pleasing to the eye? Other facilities? Alec has plenty of baskets to shoot at. More comfortable rooms in which to relax? I'll bite on that one. Better foosball tables? Probably.
As for better guys to practice against? I love this one. This is the same stuff posted about Skara, although the teams mentioned (Georgia Tech, TCU, among others) were all ranked lower than Valpo (Sagarin). When you look at the Power 5, again via the Sagarin's, Valpo was ranke higher then 7 teams in the ACC, 7 teams in the Big10, 4 teams in the Big12, 10 teams in the Southeastern, and 8 teams in the Pac12.
That does leave some teams with better players but if he ends up going to one of the best teams and thus a Nationally ranked top 25, clearly he will be one of several very good and probable NBA candidates who aren't going to be very happy about the grad transfer guy who is a strong Christian, and who probably may not "fit" very well after missing years together with the others, wanting to get their minutes and their shots.
I should have clarified. If Peters were to transfer, it wouldn't be to a TCU or Georgia Tech or other bottom tier Football 5 school that Valpo outperformed as a team the last few seasons. He could go to the elite of the elite, the Dukes, the Marylands, Arizonas, Kentuckys, Michigan States of the world would all come knocking on his door. Now, I'm sure that Derek Bol does a fine job as a strength and conditioning coach, but even at the lower tiered football 5 programs, they have a strength coach that focuses solely on the basketball team vs. 3 teams during the year. It's also not just weight lifting, it's nutrition, it's sleep and rest management and it's the ability to stay on these guys about what they're putting into their bodies 24/7 that these programs have that others (including Butler), don't.
Besides the fact that just because last year's Valpo team was really good doesn't mean that this year's team will be just as good without Skara, Walker, Carter, Fernandez and Nickerson, it's also about who he's playing against in games when the scouts are there. If Valpo plays Kentucky that's a huge feather in your cap. However, looking at Kenpom (which closely resembles Sagarin's ratings), while Valpo was rated 40th overall, the Horizon League had 1 other top 100 team (Oakland). These are how many top 100 teams the Football 5/Big East have vs. the total number of schools in the conference - Big12 (8/10), ACC (13/15), Big East (8/10), Pac 12 (9/12), Big10 (10/14), SEC (11/14). He simply won't get that kind of competition on a night-in, night-out basis in the Horizon.
I also really find your take that his teammates wouldn't be happy about a guy who is a strong Christian transferring in vs. another religion or no religion at all to be...interesting. 99.9% of the time, his teammates will either not be impacted by or be happy that he is so strong in his faith. If anything that quality would endear him to his new teammates and probably help him bond even quicker with some of them. Also, the majority of top draft prospects are still freshmen, so if he does decide to transfer, he'd have as much bonding time with them as any other member of the team. Plus, to the other guys who have been there for awhile, if he helped them win, they'd get over any personal misgivings that still might remain after they got to know him.
A large part of me hopes he stays, because it's fun to see other programs in Indiana do well, but as a fan who has seen Butler go from the Horizon League to the Big East, the difference in terms of the programs and individual players that you compete against is both small and significant. Small in that in a game or two here and there isn't as big of a deal as fans of those leagues might make it seem, but significant in that going through an entire conference season against those teams and players is brutal comparatively speaking. Sorry for the long post, and hopefully you get some good news here in a day or two.
Well said and written Dawg. I very much respect your point of view. Oh, Derek is specifically focused on just men's basketball. His boss, who overseas all sports strength training is even more impressive. ;)
Are you talking about Bob Brooks? He coached our JV baseball team one season when I was playing.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/staff/2745/bob-brooks/#.V0PHd_krLIU
I still believe that Irish Dawg is pushing a lot of Butler BS down our way so that he can feel even more superior about his school doing better than Valpo. So much of that argument is contrived BS! I will never understand why Butler people, like Irish Dawg, feel that Butler is so much more superior than Valpo. There is one coach in the HL that Butler never beat in 4 tries and that was Bryce Drew. Then they quit playing Valpo. Now that is a whole lot of BS!
Save your "kool-aid" for your Butler board.
Big day tomorrow. What's the announcement?
A) staying in draft
B) withdrawing from draft, staying at valpo
C) withdrawing from draft, pursue grad transfer
YEP, TODAY'S THE DAY. IT'S EITHER :dance: OR :rant:
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 25, 2016, 07:45:48 AM
YEP, TODAY'S THE DAY. IT'S EITHER :dance: OR :rant:
I've lost track. The draft details are clear. Are we equally sure that it's a definitive date for grad transfers?
My take is that it is a 3 part answer.
DECISION #1: Declares for the draft = end of story.
OR
2a>>>>>>>>Returns to Valpo :thumbsup:
DECISION #2: Withdraws from draft = OR
2b >>>>>>>>Asks for Grad Xfer :banghead:
So we really have to weather 2 decision processes -- the draft, or if he withdraws, stay or leave for P5 greener pastures.
And I'm not sure there is a drop dead date for decision #2b, but I would assume he would have to complete his degree to move on. I imagine that doesn't mean that he can't begin the grad xfer process prior to receiving that degree.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on May 24, 2016, 08:06:59 PMBig day tomorrow. What's the announcement? A) staying in draft B) withdrawing from draft, staying at valpo C) withdrawing from draft, pursue grad transfer
I don't think b or c need to be announced at this time.
SOURCE: http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ncaa-transfer-exceptions.htm
NCAA Transfer Exceptions and Waivers
The transfer process has a complex mix of rules and regulations that determine when and where athletes can transfer and if and when they can receive a scholarship. If you are being told you will need to sit out, not be able to play right away or not get a scholarship right away, below are some of the exceptions and petitions you can file to get a more favorable outcome.
One-Time Transfer Exception
The one-time transfer exception is the most commonly used exception for transfers from one four-year college to another, especially if the transfer involves two colleges in NCAA Division I or II.
If transferring to a Division I school, the athlete must play a sport other than football, men's or women's basketball, or baseball. The exception is that an athlete can transfers to a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS or I-AA) school and use this exception provided he or she has at least two seasons of competition remaining. In Division II, any sport may use the one-time transfer exception.
The athlete must not have previously transferred from another four-year school.
At the time of the transfer, the athlete would have been academically eligible at the previous school; and
If transferring from an NCAA or NAIA school, the athlete's previous school states in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using the one-time transfer exception. *1
While the one-time transfer exception is the most commonly used, it is technically the last resort. If a student-athlete can find another transfer exception to use, it is generally better since they have fewer requirements and sometime make the transfer not count if the student-athlete needs to transfer again.
Graduate Exception
The graduate exception is a version of the one-time transfer exception. It is for student-athletes who cannot use the normal one-time transfer exception because they play one of the sports that are not permitted to use the exception.
The student-athlete must have graduated with at least a bachelor's degree;
The student-athlete meets the other requirements of the one-time transfer exception;
The student-athlete must have at least one season of competition left; and
The student-athlete's previous school did not renew his or her athletic scholarship or offer an athletic scholarship for the following academic year.
The requirement that the scholarship be cancelled or not renewed is generally not an issue. The scholarship does not need to be cancelled before the transfer or be the reason for the transfer. Because the one-time transfer exception requires you to get a release, what will happen with your scholarship is generally just an administrative detail.
Graduate Transfer Waiver
The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).
A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;
Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;
Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;
A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and
A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete's status on the team.
Generally the heart of the waiver is the three middle bullets. The NCAA wants to see that the student-athlete transferred in order to continue his or her academic career by pursuing a graduate degree not offered at the previous school.*2
*1 My Note: Valpo would not stand in his way IMO.
*2 My Note: Alec is enrolled in the Sports Management undergrad program, I believe. I also believe that a graduate degree in that discipline is available at Valpo. But that's easy to get around.
Quote from: VU2624 on May 25, 2016, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on May 24, 2016, 08:06:59 PMBig day tomorrow. What's the announcement? A) staying in draft B) withdrawing from draft, staying at valpo C) withdrawing from draft, pursue grad transfer
I don't think b or c need to be announced at this time.
I would agree 2624. If he withdraws, and does nothing more, it's a
de facto stay at Valpo decision.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 25, 2016, 10:06:53 AMIf he withdraws, and does nothing more, it's a de facto stay at Valpo decision.
I'm guessing that if he withdraws from the draft, and says nothing more, the _default_ becomes that he stays at Valpo. But, I still suspect that he could decide/announce a grad transfer later on.
I'm not sure when the annual scholarship agreements get inked.
Nor whether he'd even be _allowed_ to grad transfer before he finishes any necessary summer classes.
The main thing is that we have to get past today first.
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I believe that he can't state his intent to use the Graduate Transfer rule, until he graduates, so we will only hear about the NBA draft today. When does the summer session end? Hopefully it is late June, so more spots get filled at P5 schools.
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HUH???
Sometimes I hate Twitter.
he would be an idiot if he declared himself for the NBA draft.
I guess i should have clarified. I wasn't expecting a final decision or announcement today.....just kind of seeing what the board was thinking his ultimate decision would be before the first , may be only, announcement.
Quote from: usc4valpo on May 25, 2016, 12:29:00 PM
he would be an idiot if he declared himself for the NBA draft.
I would tend to agree too, but there's a reason why he still hasn't announced a decision when most of all the other players already announced. You just never know the feedback he received.
I believe that he worked out for 5 teams, correct? One of those teams may have given him strong indications that they like his skill set for their system. I truly hopes he gets drafted, but in a worst case scenario, gets better at Valpo over 1 more season.
Quote from: valpotx on May 25, 2016, 12:43:00 PM
I believe that he worked out for 5 teams, correct? One of those teams may have given him strong indications that they like his skill set for their system. I truly hopes he gets drafted, but in a worst case scenario, gets better at Valpo over 1 more season.
Seems like if he goes late in the draft, he'd be fighting for a roster spot at best, or maybe even fighting for a D league spot, with reasonable chances of going to Europe anyway...
What fraction of draft picks actually play minutes in the NBA? I've begun to assume it's only around 50%, or less.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 25, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
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HUH???
Sometimes I hate Twitter.
But it gets you quick clarifications, sometimes, too!
Paul clarifies on Twitter that, at the time, Peters was one of six remaining players who had yet to announce "in or out".
Not sure who the clearinghouse is.
He is now one of the last 5 to make a decision
Quote from: bbtds on May 24, 2016, 05:41:07 AM
I still believe that Irish Dawg is pushing a lot of Butler BS down our way so that he can feel even more superior about his school doing better than Valpo. So much of that argument is contrived BS! I will never understand why Butler people, like Irish Dawg, feel that Butler is so much more superior than Valpo. There is one coach in the HL that Butler never beat in 4 tries and that was Bryce Drew. Then they quit playing Valpo. Now that is a whole lot of BS!
Came over from the Butler board to see what you guys were thinking about Peters and saw this gem...
Couple notes...
1. Butler played a Bryce Drew coached Valpo team three times (unless there was some time when Bryce filled in for Homer I don't recall). All three of those games were in the 2011-12 season, one of Butler's worst in the past 20 years...so kudos to that one. I'm sure Bryce has a plaque in his office commemorating that accomplishment...
2. How is Butler's basketball program not objectively superior to Valpo's? I'm not trying to be a dick, but what's one measure where you would say Valpo > Butler?
Conference Affiliation?
NCAA Tournament Births?
NCAA Tournament Wins?
All-Time H2H Record?
Attendance?
Facilities?
I personally just hope Peters doesn't end up in Bloomington.
The Butler board can debate about Peters all it wants, but he will not end up there. It is P5 or bust, if he leaves Valpo for another school.
Quote from: firedupkaren on May 25, 2016, 01:42:41 PM1. Butler played a Bryce Drew coached Valpo team three times (unless there was some time when Bryce filled in for Homer I don't recall). All three of those games were in the 2011-12 season, one of Butler's worst in the past 20 years...so kudos to that one. I'm sure Bryce has a plaque in his office commemorating that accomplishment...
Indeed, Bryce has only been the head coach against Butler three times, 3-0. The fourth win in the Valpo win streak was in January 2011, while Homer was still head coach, and Bryce only Associate. I think Butler had a decent team that year. And, I suspect Bryce had some significant involvement with that Valpo team.
I still regret not driving down to Hinkle for the 2011-2012 away game. I seriously considered it at the time.
Quote from: agibson on May 25, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Quote from: firedupkaren on May 25, 2016, 01:42:41 PM1. Butler played a Bryce Drew coached Valpo team three times (unless there was some time when Bryce filled in for Homer I don't recall). All three of those games were in the 2011-12 season, one of Butler's worst in the past 20 years...so kudos to that one. I'm sure Bryce has a plaque in his office commemorating that accomplishment...
Indeed, Bryce has only been the head coach against Butler three times, 3-0. The fourth win in the Valpo win streak was in January 2011, while Homer was still head coach, and Bryce only Associate. I think Butler had a decent team that year. And, I suspect Bryce had some significant involvement with that Valpo team.
I still regret not driving down to Hinkle for the 2011-2012 away game. I seriously considered it at the time.
You could say they had a decent team that played in the national championship game that March.
Another announcement made a few minutes back, and Peters is now in the last 4 to make a decision
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/735560546968326145
My guess is that if Alec is returning to college, he will file the necessary paperwork at the last minute via fax, then announce tomorrow. If he is staying in the NBA draft, he'll announce that and his agent tomorrow.
Just guessing.
With our schedule having a game at Kentucky, I hope that he returns to Valpo for his senior year - then battles the Kentucky team on national tv.
Quote from: vu72 on May 25, 2016, 02:25:05 PMYou could say they had a decent team that played in the national championship game that March.
Well, they did lose. :rotfl:
Quote from: covufan on May 25, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/735560546968326145
My guess is that if Alec is returning to college, he will file the necessary paperwork at the last minute via fax, then announce tomorrow. If he is staying in the NBA draft, he'll announce that and his agent tomorrow.
Just guessing.
With our schedule having a game at Kentucky, I hope that he returns to Valpo for his senior year - then battles the Kentucky team on national tv.
Well, from strictly a publicity perspective, this is one way to keep your name in front of NBA people till the very last minute: "Valpo's Alec Peters the Last 2016 Collegian to Withdraw from the NBA Draft"
Quote from: agibson on May 25, 2016, 03:16:36 PMQuote from: vu72 on May 25, 2016, 02:25:05 PMYou could say they had a decent team that played in the national championship game that March.
Well, they did lose. :rotfl:
Yes, I'm sure it was hilarious seeing Butler lose in back-to-back National Championship games.
Rest assured...I'm pretty confident your team will not experience the pressures of back-to-back national title games for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: bu_milksteak on May 25, 2016, 04:03:43 PMYes, I'm sure it was hilarious seeing Butler lose in back-to-back National Championship games.
Nah, don't take me the wrong way.
I've been nothing but impressed by Butler. Even if I think it would be decent of them to renew our traditional rivalry.
I'd left the win over the national-runner-up team understated. Fearing that people missed my jest, I came at it a little stronger the second time around.
Quote from: covufan on May 25, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/735560546968326145
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Sure would be nice if the athletic department were to call a press conference tomorrow where Alec announces that he has withdrawn from the NBA draft and that he will return to Valpo to complete some unfinished business -- lead the Crusaders deep into the NCAAT next season.
I'm not nearly as optimistic that he is coming back. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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Quote from: agibson on May 25, 2016, 03:16:36 PMQuote from: vu72 on May 25, 2016, 02:25:05 PMYou could say they had a decent team that played in the national championship game that March.
Well, they did lose. :rotfl:
Yes, I'm sure it was hilarious seeing Butler lose in back-to-back National Championship games.
Rest assured...I'm pretty confident your team will not experience the pressures of back-to-back national title games for the foreseeable future.
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Agreed. I'm also pretty sure your team won't be experiencing any conference championships, let alone back-to-back ones, in the foreseeable future.
Quote from: vu72 on May 25, 2016, 05:07:35 PM
Agreed. I'm also pretty sure your team won't be experiencing any conference championships, let alone back-to-back ones, in the foreseeable future.
Agreed. (Unless of course you're talking about Softball or Women's Soccer! ;))
Some tweets from fans of other schools
Paint Touches @PaintTouches 9h9 hours ago
He still has to withdraw from the draft, and still has to decide to transfer, but Alec Peters would fit in mighty nice this season. #mubb
VandySportsDotCom @VandySportscom 9h9 hours ago
Check out our basketball notes @CoachDavidSisk dropping knowledge on Alec Peters and more https://vanderbilt.forums.rivals.com/threads/basketball-notes-for-may-25.28536/ ...
Notre Dame Hoops @NDHoopsRecruits 10h10 hours ago
MBB: Valpo's 6-9 Alec Peters announces Thurs. if he's staying in Draft. 5th year may transfer. Eligible immediately. Good fit for ND.
Should be an interesting day either way.
Well, he withdrew...now the real fingernail biting begins.
Quote from: M on May 26, 2016, 07:49:41 AM
Well, he withdrew...now the real fingernail biting begins.
Still just "sources"? But certainly seems to be the case.
Sure seems wisest for him to pull out.
But yes, it is scary for the 5th year rule
http://www.thescore.com/news/1033520
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/735813691338305536
First major hurdle out of the way! Now we collectively hold our breath to see what he decides next...
And you guys talking about Butler vs. Valpo basketball...You're being silly. Alec won't go to Butler. Let's drop it.
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/735830683197800448
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In order for him to transfer, the program he moves to would need to feel comfortable turning over the keys to Alec on offense. It makes no sense for Alec to transfer to be a 2nd or 3rd option. Many people have been the star at a mid-major school, and gained just as much national attention as the P5 guys. If you light it up as he can, he will get the looks from the NBA scouts. His holes on offense will become much more evident at a P5, and he won't have the time to work on those holes as he would against the competition we play against.
Oren will have a story later today. My guess is that Alec will be looking at all of his options as he completes his degree. Until he finishes his course(s), we won't know anything.
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I hope that he can't graduate until after the second summer session. That limits the opportunities even more, and gives him less time to get acclimated to a new school.
Quote from: valpotx on May 26, 2016, 09:16:10 AM
In order for him to transfer, the program he moves to would need to feel comfortable turning over the keys to Alec on offense. It makes no sense for Alec to transfer to be a 2nd or 3rd option. Many people have been the star at a mid-major school, and gained just as much national attention as the P5 guys. If you light it up as he can, he will get the looks from the NBA scouts. His holes on offense will become much more evident at a P5, and he won't have the time to work on those holes as he would against the competition we play against.
I agree. If he is to transfer, he needs to find a team that has an open scholarship, a need at the SF/PF position, where he has opportunity for 30+ minutes per game, an opportunity to score/rebound 17/9, and to take team from preseason ranking below 40 to top20. Oh, and be on national TV weekly.
I am confidently hoping he returns to Valpo, gets Carter back, and a juco that can contribute this year!
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Quote from: valpotx on May 26, 2016, 09:16:10 AM
In order for him to transfer, the program he moves to would need to feel comfortable turning over the keys to Alec on offense. It makes no sense for Alec to transfer to be a 2nd or 3rd option. Many people have been the star at a mid-major school, and gained just as much national attention as the P5 guys. If you light it up as he can, he will get the looks from the NBA scouts. His holes on offense will become much more evident at a P5, and he won't have the time to work on those holes as he would against the competition we play against.
Totally agree. It doesn't make a lot of sense for Alec to learn a new system and share the star power for one season. There are a bunch of mid-major guys in the NBA and if Alec truly has what they want he will be much more likely to be able to show it while playing for Valpo.
Alec: Think about these "mid-majors", Damien Lillard, Steph Curry, Paul George, Paul Millsap, Gordon Hayward, Kawahi Leonard, Doug McDermott...Shall I go on?
Do I understand that there was supposed to be a formal announcement today, or was it just that no one would no his decision about the draft until this morning? I have to believe that if he doesn't announce that he will be back today or tomorrow, it implies that he is looking elsewhere, and I have to believe there would be interest.
I am willing to be convinced that I am wrong.
He can't look elsewhere until he announces that he is using the graduate transfer rule, and he can't use that rule until he completes his classes.
Quote from: humbleopinion on May 26, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
Do I understand that there was supposed to be a formal announcement today, or was it just that no one would no his decision about the draft until this morning? I have to believe that if he doesn't announce that he will be back today or tomorrow, it implies that he is looking elsewhere, and I have to believe there would be interest.
I am willing to be convinced that I am wrong.
Don't know about a formal announcement. He had until last night to tell the NBA/NCAA his intent on staying in the NBA draft or return to college. His announcement of this decision wasn't expected until today, and confirmed by the Paul Oren tweet above. Since he is scheduled to graduate this summer, he still has options for playing at the NCAA level next year. Unfortunately for him, he can't declare his intent to be a graduate transfer until he has completed (or nearly completed) his coursework for graduation. Once that happens, he can open up recruiting to a P5 team, although most scholarships/positions will be filled by then. He is cautiously keeping his options open. Wish him the best in these decisions.
The official Valpo Athletics release:
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2015-16/15570/peters-withdraws-from-nba-draft/#.V0cp4lc4ko8
Makes no mention of future plans other than he retains a 4th year of collegiate eligibility.
Quote from: covufan on May 26, 2016, 11:09:33 AM
...Since he is scheduled to graduate this summer, he still has options for playing at the NCAA level next year. Unfortunately for him, he can't declare his intent to be a graduate transfer until he has completed (or nearly completed) his coursework for graduation. Once that happens, he can open up recruiting to a P5 team, although most scholarships/positions will be filled by then. He is cautiously keeping his options open. Wish him the best in these decisions.
If the understanding is correct that AP cannot declare his intent until he finishes further coursework, then the dates to keep in mind are June 24 and August 5. The summer mini-session ends on June 24. The rest of summer school concludes on August 5. If Peters has to wait until then and does transfer, it would seem unfair to Valpo and Coach Lottich to have to react to this decision by recruiting in mid-August. I'm sure Lottich would like to have all his roster settled by the beginning of the second mini-session of summer school at the end of June to let players get in some classes and be on campus for conditioning. Also, as has been mentioned, most programs will have filled their spots by August unless one of them knew in advance that Alec was going to transfer to their school, which would raise ethical questions about how that knowledge was obtained. I also wish Alec the best as he makes his decision (and it would be great if he comes back to VU), but for the sake of the team, I hope he states his plans definitively sooner rather than later.
The dates aside.....IMO, If he doesn't definitively say in the next couple of weeks he's coming back, he's not coming back.
I could see him not saying anything and just returning. He doesn't seem too concerned about publicity and announcements.
There's nothing grandiose about simply saying "I'm returning to Valpo" and having it as part of the short release today.
My gut feeling is that the fact that he hasn't said that means he's highly likely to not return to Valpo. Unless he's been granted a release (which may have been or will be granted behind the scenes), he hasn't been able to "look around" the college landscape. Once he's got his credits in the books he will then move to graduate transfer status and he's free to look around. The fact that he's probably exercising that option means he's probably not coming back.
I highly doubt we would have given him any type of release in order to investigate his options now. That would make absolutely no sense for VU. As I stated before, if he decides on a program within a few days of putting in his graduate transfer request, the NCAA needs to investigate.
Cleveland Cavs starting lineup -- Lebron (St Vincent/St Mary's HS), JR Smith (High School), Tristan Thompson (Texas, early exit), Kevin Love (UCLA, early exit), Kyrie Irving (Duke, 18 games).
Bench: Delly (St Mary's 4 years), Shumpert (Georgia Tech, 3 years). Richard Jefferson (Arizona, 3 years), Channing Frye (Arizona, 4 years), Mozgov (Russia)
Toronto Starting: Kyle Lowery (Villanova 2 yrs), Demar DeRozan (USC 1 yr), Bismack Biyombo (Congo), Luis Scala (Argentina), Demarre Carrol (Mizzu (2 + redshirt)/Vandy (2))
Bench: Patrick Patterson (Kentucky, 3 yrs), Big Euro Dude (Lithuania), Cory Joseph (Texas, 1 year Canadian), James Johnson (Wake Forest 4 years)
These are the players I saw last night while at the NBA ECF. Not one "grad transfer.." Saw only a couple 4 year players and the rest were generally HS, 3 or less and done, or foreign players. Alec's best chances for an NBA career are staying with Valpo and be a star player working on other aspects of his game. McDermott, Butler, Curry, Delly, Norris Cole and others have made it, but none were graduate transfers. If you are looking for a different scenery or you are looking for more minutes or something else it might make more sense, but the NBA knows who he is and what he can do. And they likely said: (i) extend your range, (ii) improve your defensive footwork and speed (lose another 5-8 lbs), (iii) improve your strength and (iv) add some go to low post scoring moves. Watch Mike Dunleavy (4 years Duke) and Kyle Korver (4 years Creighton).
By the way, some enterprising sports journalist should maybe study whether the grad transfer rule has helped players "prepare better" for the NBA or has it improved their overseas opportunities. There's now about 5 years of data somewhere.
http://www.postandcourier.com/20160514/160519611/the-revolving-door---college-basketball-transfer-rates-keep-rising
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-division-i-graduate-transfers
Quote from: valpo84 on May 26, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
Cleveland Cavs starting lineup -- Lebron (St Vincent/St Mary's HS), JR Smith (High School), Tristan Thompson (Texas, early exit), Kevin Love (UCLA, early exit), Kyrie Irving (Duke, 18 games).
Bench: Delly (St Mary's 4 years), Shumpert (Georgia Tech, 3 years). Richard Jefferson (Arizona, 3 years), Channing Frye (Arizona, 4 years), Mozgov (Russia)
Toronto Starting: Kyle Lowery (Villanova 2 yrs), Demar DeRozan (USC 1 yr), Bismack Biyombo (Congo), Luis Scala (Argentina), Demarre Carrol (Mizzu (2 + redshirt)/Vandy (2))
Bench: Patrick Patterson (Kentucky, 3 yrs), Big Euro Dude (Lithuania), Cory Joseph (Texas, 1 year Canadian), James Johnson (Wake Forest 4 years)
These are the players I saw last night while at the NBA ECF. Not one "grad transfer.." Saw only a couple 4 year players and the rest were generally HS, 3 or less and done, or foreign players. Alec's best chances for an NBA career are staying with Valpo and be a star player working on other aspects of his game. McDermott, Butler, Curry, Delly, Norris Cole and others have made it, but none were graduate transfers. If you are looking for a different scenery or you are looking for more minutes or something else it might make more sense, but the NBA knows who he is and what he can do. And they likely said: (i) extend your range, (ii) improve your defensive footwork and speed (lose another 5-8 lbs), (iii) improve your strength and (iv) add some go to low post scoring moves. Watch Mike Dunleavy (4 years Duke) and Kyle Korver (4 years Creighton).
By the way, some enterprising sports journalist should maybe study whether the grad transfer rule has helped players "prepare better" for the NBA or has it improved their overseas opportunities. There's now about 5 years of data somewhere.
http://www.postandcourier.com/20160514/160519611/the-revolving-door---college-basketball-transfer-rates-keep-rising
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-division-i-graduate-transfers
I don't believe there were any grad transfers in the 2015 draft (Joseph Young of Oregon is the only transfer that I know for sure that got drafted at all), but generally speaking, if you haven't made it to the NBA draft by your 4th year of eligibility, chances are you aren't going to make it. Of the 4 year guys that you listed, while most did stay all 4 years of school at one place (if you are talking about Seth Curry, he transferred to Duke after a year or two at Liberty, Steph Curry played 3 years at Davidson), I don't know that any of them were even in a position to graduate and transfer their final year, so it's kind of a moot point. Additionally, both McDermott and Butler (Butler especially) were already playing in "power leagues" by their 4th seasons, so there wouldn't be nearly as much of an argument to be made for changing leagues.
Quote from: valpotx on May 26, 2016, 12:53:44 PMI highly doubt we would have given him any type of release in order to investigate his options now. That would make absolutely no sense for VU. As I stated before, if he decides on a program within a few days of putting in his graduate transfer request, the NCAA needs to investigate.
I think a release is unlikely as well. My overall point is that if it were his intention to come back currently, he'd have already said it and not just leave it lay as the one poster suggested.
It would put us in a really bad situation if Peters transfers, since he can't start looking until August per Paul's article (if he declares as a GT). At least Bryce left as soon as he came back from the NIT. We would be unable to do anything with an open scholarship in August. I hope that Peters communicates often with our coaches about his intentions throughout the summer, otherwise he can really screw us.
We all know this, but it bears repeating: Alec would take a huge risk by going to a power conference school that is in the limelight. The transition to any new program is tough, let alone one of the top programs.
Alec has to really work at creating his own shot. Bryce was excellent at doing so, and Ryan was good at it. Alec is ok but has some room for improvement. On the other hand, he brings many other skills to the table that Bryce and Rowdy lacked.
Alec would be the true star in a motion offense that uses tons of screens (ala Bob Knight), but those programs are rare nowadays. I just do not see him being the featured guy in an uptempo highlight-reel offense like that run by so many of today's top teams. He is just not athletic enough. However, imagine him on a pro team like Golden State....probably a dream team for a three-point shooter who likes to play defense.
I agree he can make his mark on the scouts if he stays at VU, and I think he does so with substantially minimized risk.
Alec is driven and smart. He will make a good decision. I have faith in his judgment.
Quote from: atkins on May 26, 2016, 04:27:12 PM
We all know this, but it bears repeating: Alec would take a huge risk by going to a power conference school that is in the limelight. The transition to any new program is tough, let alone one of the top programs.
Alec has to really work at creating his own shot. Bryce was excellent at doing so, and Ryan was good at it. Alec is ok but has some room for improvement. On the other hand, he brings many other skills to the table that Bryce and Rowdy lacked.
Alec would be the true star in a motion offense that uses tons of screens (ala Bob Knight), but those programs are rare nowadays. I just do not see him being the featured guy in an uptempo highlight-reel offense like that run by so many of today's top teams. He is just not athletic enough. However, imagine him on a pro team like Golden State....probably a dream team for a three-point shooter who likes to play defense.
I agree he can make his mark on the scouts if he stays at VU, and I think he does so with substantially minimized risk.
Alec is driven and smart. He will make a good decision. I have faith in his judgment.
Wasn't that the book on Larry Bird coming out of Indiana State?
Quote from: valpotx on May 26, 2016, 11:06:52 AM
He can't look elsewhere until he announces that he is using the graduate transfer rule, and he can't use that rule until he completes his classes.
Do you know this for a fact? Source?
Is it a fact that a student with one more year of athletic eligibility cannot speak to other universities before he has officially been graduated? Is intent to complete a degree during the summer irrelevant? Source?
Are other coaches, knowing that a student who is anticipating being graduated but who has one more year of eligibility, prohibited from contacting him before he finishes his coursework? Source?
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
Is it a fact that a student with one more year of athletic eligibility cannot speak to other universities before he has officially been graduated? Is intent to complete a degree during the summer irrelevant? Source?
Are other coaches, knowing that a student who is anticipating being graduated but who has one more year of eligibility, prohibited from contacting him before he finishes his coursework? Source?
All good questions. Bottom line: a graduate xfer cannot xfer unless he has the degree in hand before he does so, no? Intent to graduate is not the same as graduating. If he comes up 3 credits shy or flunks a course, doesn't that throw a transfer out the window? So I am thinking that for all intents and purposes, Alec can talk to anyone and and anyone can talk to him, but unless, and until, he has the degree in hand, no transfer. Is an analogy similar to a HS senior appropriate? Except the recruiting process for a potential graduate transfer is for a true one and done. Just asking justsaying ;)
VU's Peters withdraws from NBA Draft, future undecided
Valparaiso senior could still transfer to another program
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/vu-s-peters-withdraws-from-nba-draft-future-undecided/article_feabaefc-f28a-5a4f-9762-79a05b03d71e.html
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 26, 2016, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
Is it a fact that a student with one more year of athletic eligibility cannot speak to other universities before he has officially been graduated? Is intent to complete a degree during the summer irrelevant? Source?
Are other coaches, knowing that a student who is anticipating being graduated but who has one more year of eligibility, prohibited from contacting him before he finishes his coursework? Source?
All good questions. Bottom line: a graduate xfer cannot xfer unless he has the degree in hand before he does so, no? Intent to graduate is not the same as graduating. If he comes up 3 credits shy or flunks a course, doesn't that throw a transfer out the window? So I am thinking that for all intents and purposes, Alec can talk to anyone and and anyone can talk to him, but unless, and until, he has the degree in hand, no transfer. Is an analogy similar to a HS senior appropriate? Except the recruiting process for a potential graduate transfer is for a true one and done. Just asking justsaying ;)
Regarding the bolded comments you made, my impression of previous comments is that neither the student nor the other coaches can speak with each other until permission is granted by the Valpo AD, no?
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:54:35 PM
VU's Peters withdraws from NBA Draft, future undecided
Valparaiso senior could still transfer to another program
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/vu-s-peters-withdraws-from-nba-draft-future-undecided/article_feabaefc-f28a-5a4f-9762-79a05b03d71e.html
I liked this comment from Alec:
"(The scouts) can always tell the coaches more than they can tell me personally and they'll be more honest with them as well," Peters said. "We've been on the same page about the things I need to do next year. I know Coach Lottich is supportive of that feedback and wants to do some of that stuff. If they're going to let me expand my game like that, it would be hard to leave this place."
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 26, 2016, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
Is it a fact that a student with one more year of athletic eligibility cannot speak to other universities before he has officially been graduated? Is intent to complete a degree during the summer irrelevant? Source?
Are other coaches, knowing that a student who is anticipating being graduated but who has one more year of eligibility, prohibited from contacting him before he finishes his coursework? Source?
All good questions. Bottom line: a graduate xfer cannot xfer unless he has the degree in hand before he does so, no? Intent to graduate is not the same as graduating. If he comes up 3 credits shy or flunks a course, doesn't that throw a transfer out the window? So I am thinking that for all intents and purposes, Alec can talk to anyone and and anyone can talk to him, but unless, and until, he has the degree in hand, no transfer. Is an analogy similar to a HS senior appropriate? Except the recruiting process for a potential graduate transfer is for a true one and done. Just asking justsaying ;)
Regarding the bolded comments you made, my impression of previous comments is that neither the student nor the other coaches can speak with each other until permission is granted by the Valpo AD, no?
Don't know. If the HS Senior analogy applies, he's a free agent, right? Ah, maybe not. Michigan and Spike whatshisname fought over that as i remember.
From the other newspaper.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-alec-peters-st-0527-20160526-story.html
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 26, 2016, 06:02:20 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 26, 2016, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
Is it a fact that a student with one more year of athletic eligibility cannot speak to other universities before he has officially been graduated? Is intent to complete a degree during the summer irrelevant? Source?
Are other coaches, knowing that a student who is anticipating being graduated but who has one more year of eligibility, prohibited from contacting him before he finishes his coursework? Source?
All good questions. Bottom line: a graduate xfer cannot xfer unless he has the degree in hand before he does so, no? Intent to graduate is not the same as graduating. If he comes up 3 credits shy or flunks a course, doesn't that throw a transfer out the window? So I am thinking that for all intents and purposes, Alec can talk to anyone and and anyone can talk to him, but unless, and until, he has the degree in hand, no transfer. Is an analogy similar to a HS senior appropriate? Except the recruiting process for a potential graduate transfer is for a true one and done. Just asking justsaying ;)
Regarding the bolded comments you made, my impression of previous comments is that neither the student nor the other coaches can speak with each other until permission is granted by the Valpo AD, no?
Don't know. If the HS Senior analogy applies, he's a free agent, right? Ah, maybe not. Michigan and Spike whatshisname fought over that as i remember.
Alec seemingly answered this question himself when asked if he had contact with Bryce or Roger since they left to Vandy, and he responded: "No, they're coaches at different schools." It makes sense that it would be unethical to speak with other coaches about a transfer, without permission from Valparaiso, while still attending classes at VU and supported by a Valpo scholarship. Apparently, he will be finished with classes on June 24. He will be free to discuss his future with anyone after that.
These are my thoughts and I have no sources w.r.t. the graduate transfer rules. A year or two ago, I believe it was a Purdue basketball player, announced that he wanted to do the graduate transfer, but needed to take summer classes, for which he had not been enrolled yet. Purdue took the position he wasn't their worry, since he wanted to transfer, and they wouldn't pay for his summer classes. The last few springs, many players have requested the graduate transfer, at a time that appears just a few weeks before finals. That is why I think any player needs to be all but complete with their coursework before announcing the desire to be a grad transfer.
I'm sure Alec is looking very closely at the rules, as well as potential schools. He won't have much time come August, and needs to be prepared.
I still think his best opportunity is to return to Valpo, and lead his team back to the NCAA tournament!!
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Coaches from other schools aren't allowed to recruit someone unless the player is no longer tied to a program via scholarship (released from it) or not in a signed commitment (HS SR). This is a fact, and someone else can get the source to back it up. If other schools are speaking directly with Alec about his intent to use the graduate transfer rule, they are breaking NCAA laws. They can talk to his AAU and HS coaches, but not directly to him until he has either been released, or can use the GT rule. Since it sounds like he has several credits to go, you can't anticipatorily say that you will GT, unless you have completed the courses. As someone said, he could fail a course, and not be allowed to use the GT rule, so I highly doubt you can talk to other schools with this rule, unless you have the credits to do so NOW.
Absolutely super blog by Paul. This is MUST reading for everyone. It also shows how unselfish and supportive Matt and his staff have been in this process.
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/alec-peters-shares-thoughts-on-nba-valparaiso/article_894e23b0-2376-11e6-b168-d39d0980ca9c.html
Added later: I really like that they chose Matt to carry on the "Valpo Way". Matt risks losing his best player, but he and Luke are doing all the right things to make Alec successful. That makes me a proud alumnus.
It's weird that the NCAA allows for NBA teams to pay for Peters' flight to a workout and lets them provide him with food, clothes and a hotel room.
Then again, I guess it's too much to expect the NCAA to be consistent on anything.
Quote from: rogerwilco on May 26, 2016, 10:22:52 PM
It's weird that the NCAA allows for NBA teams to pay for Peters' flight to a workout and lets them provide him with food, clothes and a hotel room.
Then again, I guess it's too much to expect the NCAA to be consistent on anything.
I suppose it's no different in their eyes than an engineering student being flown to Seattle by Boeing to interview for a entry level engineering job.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 26, 2016, 08:47:31 PM
Absolutely super blog by Paul. This is MUST reading for everyone. It also shows how unselfish and supportive Matt and his staff have been in this process.
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/alec-peters-shares-thoughts-on-nba-valparaiso/article_894e23b0-2376-11e6-b168-d39d0980ca9c.html
Added later: I really like that they chose Matt to carry on the "Valpo Way". Matt risks losing his best player, but he and Luke are doing all the right things to make Alec successful. That makes me a proud alumnus.
Very good, insightful article. Based on what Alec is saying, it sounds like he is pleased with the coaching staff and how unselfish they have been through this process. Just hearing those things from him makes me feel optimistic that he's leaning towards staying. But who knows, it's too early to know anything yet.
My guess is that once he has an opportunity to discuss his options with his advisors and family, along with the pros and cons of staying vs transferring, he will decide fairly quickly and announce it. That is why I wouldn't be at all surprised if he came out next week and announced, especially if he decides to stay at Valpo. The longer this decision takes points to his leaning toward transferring. The transfer option is way too risky for him given that he must wait until August to even talk with coaches, who in all liklihood will not have an available scholarship at that late date. And the pressure that he will put on himself by waiting will be too heavy a load for him to bear over the next several weeks. I say he stays. The stars are just not aligned for him given that he has not been graduated yet. Short of a coach approaching him on the side and offering a scholarship, which is probably unethical, I don't see him having a clear, nearly risk-free path to transfer. I've heard from a reliable source that the NBA scouts have told him to get one more year of experience "at Valpo," and not to transfer.
To add to that, the things he has to work on to improve his draft stock are critical to his development. It sounds as if Matt and his staff are committed to support those things -- will the P5 coach who might see a different role for him ? Will he get the 30+ minutes/game to work on those things against the decent but beatable competition available in the HL, vs. maybe fewer minutes and possibly tougher competition in those fewer minutes at the P5 level. Yes, the tougher the competition etc., etc., but I'm looking at this from a developmental perspective. He needs an environment where he can gradually produce success after success along with growing confidence. The risk is that unless he comes out and blows people out right away, there may be disappointment on both his part and the P5 coach. At Valpo, the team and the coaches will ensure that he gets the right dose of competition and the full amount of minutes to achieve new successes. And in that scenario, both he and Valpo benefit. That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;)
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 27, 2016, 09:45:32 AM
My guess is that once he has an opportunity to discuss his options with his advisors and family, along with the pros and cons of staying vs transferring, he will decide fairly quickly and announce it. That is why I wouldn't be at all surprised if he came out next week and announced, especially if he decides to stay at Valpo. The longer this decision takes points to his leaning toward transferring. The transfer option is way too risky for him given that he must wait until August to even talk with coaches, who in all liklihood will not have an available scholarship at that late date. And the pressure that he will put on himself by waiting will be too heavy a load for him to bear over the next several weeks. I say he stays. The stars are just not aligned for him given that he has not been graduated yet. Short of a coach approaching him on the side and offering a scholarship, which is probably unethical, I don't see him having a clear, nearly risk-free path to transfer. I've heard from a reliable source that the NBA scouts have told him to get one more year of experience "at Valpo," and not to transfer.
Agree that the longer he waits that the more it would seem like he's leaning towards transferring. Other college coaches cannot directly contact him until he has elected to transfer, but they can certainly contact his high school and AAU coaches or others that are close enough to him that if they wanted him to get the message that there is a scholarship available, they can, and almost certainly will if they get the feel from those coaches that he is leaning towards a transfer. A lot of schools don't use all 13 scholarships every year, so regardless when the announcement is made, there will be scholarships available for Alec if he decides to leave.
Additionally, while the NBA scouts may have sincerely meant to get another year at Valpo, it would almost certainly warrant some kind of investigation if the scouts were directly telling a student-athlete to transfer, especially if it was to a particular conference or school, so it would be pretty foolish of them to say otherwise.
From the sounds of it though, Lottich seems to be handing the keys to Alec and telling him he'll do anything he can to get him to stay, and it would be stupid of him not to. Even if the structure of the offense is more for the benefit of Alec than for Valpo, with Peters, Valpo should comfortably cruise to the NCAAs. But even without him there's still a good chance the Crusaders could make it as the next 4 schools in the Horizon all lost their best players.
Tom Davis of the Fort Wayne Sentinel reporting that "word on the street" is Peters may go to Vandy. No idea what word on the street means.
Quote from: Lurker on May 27, 2016, 04:29:05 PM
Tom Davis of the Fort Wayne Sentinel reporting that "word on the street" is Peters may go to Vandy. No idea what word on the street means.
That has been the 'word' since Bryce Drew left Valpo. Nothing new to report.
Here is Davis' report:
https://twitter.com/Tom101010/status/736305442452709376
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 27, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
Agree that the longer he waits that the more it would seem like he's leaning towards transferring. Other college coaches cannot directly contact him until he has elected to transfer, but they can certainly contact his high school and AAU coaches or others that are close enough to him that if they wanted him to get the message that there is a scholarship available, they can, and almost certainly will if they get the feel from those coaches that he is leaning towards a transfer. A lot of schools don't use all 13 scholarships every year, so regardless when the announcement is made, there will be scholarships available for Alec if he decides to leave.
Additionally, while the NBA scouts may have sincerely meant to get another year at Valpo, it would almost certainly warrant some kind of investigation if the scouts were directly telling a student-athlete to transfer, especially if it was to a particular conference or school, so it would be pretty foolish of them to say otherwise.
From the sounds of it though, Lottich seems to be handing the keys to Alec and telling him he'll do anything he can to get him to stay, and it would be stupid of him not to. Even if the structure of the offense is more for the benefit of Alec than for Valpo, with Peters, Valpo should comfortably cruise to the NCAAs. But even without him there's still a good chance the Crusaders could make it as the next 4 schools in the Horizon all lost their best players.
A lot of solid deductive reasoning in this thread supporting both outcomes, but I'm getting the sinking feeling that Alec is all but gone. That said, if the Davis rumor is correct, I will be revisiting the "Will you be rooting for Bryce?" thread.
Quote from: wh on May 27, 2016, 05:49:06 PMA lot of solid deductive reasoning in this thread supporting both outcomes, but I'm getting the sinking feeling that Alec is all but gone. That said, if the Davis rumor is correct, I will be revisiting the "Will you be rooting for Bryce?" thread.
If that is the outcome, I'm sure you won't be the only one visiting that thread. >:(
His quotes indicate to me that he is leaning towards coming back. I don't care what Tom Davis says, he has absolutely no clue about anything going on at Valpo or with Peters. If I were Peters, I would be a bit miffed that Bryce and Powell bailed on me when they had promised to help in my preparation for the draft. It was literally days after the season ended that they bolted, and they wouldn't have been able to do anything for Peters to help him in that process. I would feel a sense of loyalty to Lottich/Gore and Valpo, especially since I would be putting Valpo in a terrible place by leaving in August of this year.
If Bryce steals Peters, he can no longer claim to be an ethical coach. You just don't do something like that to a program that made you just as famous as you made it.
Quote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:57:29 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on May 26, 2016, 05:53:14 PMQuote from: Just Sayin on May 26, 2016, 05:15:40 PMIs it a fact that a student with one more year of athletic eligibility cannot speak to other universities before he has officially been graduated? Is intent to complete a degree during the summer irrelevant? Source? Are other coaches, knowing that a student who is anticipating being graduated but who has one more year of eligibility, prohibited from contacting him before he finishes his coursework? Source?
All good questions. Bottom line: a graduate xfer cannot xfer unless he has the degree in hand before he does so, no? Intent to graduate is not the same as graduating. If he comes up 3 credits shy or flunks a course, doesn't that throw a transfer out the window? So I am thinking that for all intents and purposes, Alec can talk to anyone and and anyone can talk to him, but unless, and until, he has the degree in hand, no transfer. Is an analogy similar to a HS senior appropriate? Except the recruiting process for a potential graduate transfer is for a true one and done. Just asking justsaying ;)
Regarding the bolded comments you made, my impression of previous comments is that neither the student nor the other coaches can speak with each other until permission is granted by the Valpo AD, no?
Peters is not a graduate transfer. He is an undergraduate at the moment. He's presumably still under scholarship at Valpo and cannot speak with other programs nor can programs speak with him without a release at this time. Even non scholarship athletes are not permitted to speak to other programs without a release. He must finish his undergraduate degree before he can declare as a graduate transfer candidate. I am not sure of the process which makes that happen at that point.
Quote from: covufan on May 27, 2016, 05:18:40 PMQuote from: Lurker on May 27, 2016, 04:29:05 PMTom Davis of the Fort Wayne Sentinel reporting that "word on the street" is Peters may go to Vandy. No idea what word on the street means.
That has been the 'word' since Bryce Drew left Valpo. Nothing new to report. Here is Davis' report: https://twitter.com/Tom101010/status/736305442452709376
The one issue which would make this just as easy as staying at Valpo is that there is no "looking around" for Peters.
Why Alec Peters pulled out of NBA draft. Now will he transfer from Valpo?
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20160526/reynolds-why-alec-peters-pulled-out-of-nba-draft-now-will-he-transfer-from-valpo?page=2
Tom Davis either completely made that up, or talked to someone else that made that up. He's not going to Vandy, he's just not. Period, end of subject. I've been on Valpo message boards for nearly 20 years as have a few others on here. Has there ever been a subject, where I've repeatedly mentioned something like this and I've been wrong? If so, call me out on this. I repeat he's not going to Vandy.
Quote from: chef on May 28, 2016, 01:35:05 AM
Tom Davis either completely made that up, or talked to someone else that made that up. He's not going to Vandy, he's just not. Period, end of subject. I've been on Valpo message boards for nearly 20 years as have a few others on here. Has there ever been a subject, where I've repeatedly mentioned something like this and I've been wrong? If so, call me out on this. I repeat he's not going to Vandy.
I get the sense that you are vacillating on this and aren't quite sure whether Peters will go to Vandy.
Yep, you get me. :-[
Another bush league statement from Tom Davis...word on the street is that AP "MAY" transfer from Valpo. What does that mean? And he MAY NOT. And to think that statements like that come from a Sports Editor of a paper in a decent size community of about 300,00 people. Going out and getting facts, or at least trying to do so before commenting, apparently scares this guy. But he sure can go out and find all the facts he wants to find when it comes to Butler ball.
Quote from: chef on May 28, 2016, 01:35:05 AM
Tom Davis either completely made that up, or talked to someone else that made that up. He's not going to Vandy, he's just not. Period, end of subject. I've been on Valpo message boards for nearly 20 years as have a few others on here. Has there ever been a subject, where I've repeatedly mentioned something like this and I've been wrong? If so, call me out on this. I repeat he's not going to Vandy.
Davis needs to stick to Ft. Wayne sports and using his sports editor position to give Ft. Wayne residents a regular caster oil dose of his alma mater's basketball program 125 miles away.
Bootlicking the Butler AD:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I24WT1tx6gM
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Quote from: IrishDawg on May 27, 2016, 03:08:12 PMwith Peters, Valpo should comfortably cruise to the NCAAs.
Alas, Joe Louis Arena has said a lot about how comfortably anyone can cruise to the NCAAs in the Horizon League.
I'll trust Chef over Tom Davis any day. I have to think that it would be hard for Peters to play for anyone except Valpo or Bryce. I just can't see a new coach promising to develop Peters over 1 year, and still giving him the touches he craves.
Many schools are talking Peters right now. It doesn't mean anything. It is going to be a long summer, since we have another month of him in classes, and I doubt he says anything before that time either way.
Alec is maturely taking his time to ensure he makes the right decision. He continues to be an active part of the Valpo program. If he finds the perfect school to showcase his skills, he will leave; otherwise, he will not. His interview statements in the Peoria paper make that clear.
In writing that, I just had a jarring flashback (to this past March) when another hot Valpo commodity made a similar remark. ???
If Alec were an almost-complete player, requiring only minor tweaks, I would encourage him to leave to showcase his skills at a higher level; however, he is not yet that player. Working on athleticism (i.e., creating your own shot) is a huge issue that requires a lot of time and effort. Unless he transfers to a mediocre Power 5 school, he won't have the freedom to focus on the weakest part of his game.
Quote from: atkins on May 28, 2016, 01:38:32 PM
Alec is maturely taking his time to ensure he makes the right decision. He continues to be an active part of the Valpo program. If he finds the perfect school to showcase his skills, he will leave; otherwise, he will not. His interview statements in the Peoria paper make that clear.
In writing that, I just had a jarring flashback (to this past March) when another hot Valpo commodity made a similar remark. ???
If Alec were an almost-complete player, requiring only minor tweaks, I would encourage him to leave to showcase his skills at a higher level; however, he is not yet that player. Working on athleticism (i.e., creating your own shot) is a huge issue that requires a lot of time and effort. Unless he transfers to a mediocre Power 5 school, he won't have the freedom to focus on the weakest part of his game.
.....he would have been invited to the combine and mentioned on a lot of mock drafts. Alec has learned, through his workouts, that there is a pretty definitive task list of skills and moves that he must develop/improve to get to the next level. He knows that. He realizes he needs intense focus/intense
support/30+ m/p/g to hone them
and make a powerful season-long statement. Where else would he find that perfect set of conditions?
BTW, I fully concur on his mature approach.
Any information coming out of Fort Wayne should be taken with a grain of salt. Heck, the IPFW poll had Ted Cruz up 15% over Trump in the Indiana primary, and we know how that went.
Per Paul Oren: Peters confirms he's returning to Valpo next season! Look at Paul's twitter for quotes from Peters!
Per Paul Oren, Alec will be back to Valpo next season.
This day keeps getting better!
*Ahem* Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
Suck it, Tom Davis.
Yabba dabba doo!
I stand by the statement, there's no chance he's going to Vandy. ;)
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss :). Break those records Alec! It only made sense based on all the facts involved, but it is great to see that he agrees that it is best for him as well. He will be able to develop those areas much more against some solid competition with a few patsies, but still a few elite schools on the schedule. It would have been much harder for him to develop those skills in real-time games against constant elite programs.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 28, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: atkins on May 28, 2016, 01:38:32 PM
Alec is maturely taking his time to ensure he makes the right decision. He continues to be an active part of the Valpo program. If he finds the perfect school to showcase his skills, he will leave; otherwise, he will not. His interview statements in the Peoria paper make that clear.
In writing that, I just had a jarring flashback (to this past March) when another hot Valpo commodity made a similar remark. ???
If Alec were an almost-complete player, requiring only minor tweaks, I would encourage him to leave to showcase his skills at a higher level; however, he is not yet that player. Working on athleticism (i.e., creating your own shot) is a huge issue that requires a lot of time and effort. Unless he transfers to a mediocre Power 5 school, he won't have the freedom to focus on the weakest part of his game.
.....he would have been invited to the combine and mentioned on a lot of mock drafts. Alec has learned, through his workouts, that there is a pretty definitive task list of skills and moves that he must develop/improve to get to the next level. He knows that. He realizes he needs intense focus/intense support/30+ m/p/g to hone them and make a powerful season-long statement. Where else would he find that perfect set of conditions?
BTW, I fully concur on his mature approach.
Told ya so!!!! :dance:
Ok. Now we owe Alec something. The university (straight up to the President) and we as fans need to do everything we can to help this young man achieve his dreams. We have to attend games, juice up the PR machine, and work tirelessly to ensure that Matt Lottich and his team become Alec's vehicle for the future. I have no doubt that Alec will play his part -- he is an outstanding young man. But we have to do our part too. This should also help Matt in the recruiting wars as well. To make this a complete set, the NCAA has to take its head out of its a$$ and grant Keith the additional year of eligibility.
I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. Good things DO happen to good people.
I'm sure this will help recruiting that grad transfer and maybe a juco
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I have to think that it will help us fill out our roster as well. Recruits will know that we are in 'win now' mode, and they don't have to be the centerpiece.
Quote from: crusader05 on May 30, 2016, 01:10:27 PM
Per Paul Oren: Peters confirms he's returning to Valpo next season! Look at Paul's twitter for quotes from Peters!
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2016/5/30/11814100/alec-peters-returning-to-valparaiso
Alec's decision will have ripple (tidal wave?) effects. The Valpo BB players who have been waiting for a sign (this) are now with purpose. The coaching staff can nail recruits. The Crusader MBB team will have the necessary glue to make a run to and deep into the NCAAT. It might open better scheduling options. And the HL has a "face" to promote.
As I mentioned previously, VU has to ride this for both Alec's sake and its own. But the HL has also got to see that this is a way to boost its national profile. They need to promote Valpo and Alec as much as they can.
You mean as much as they promoted (and we griped about) Kay and Oakland last year and Sykes/Brown and Green Bay before that?!
Go Valpo
Ya got that straight ( and maybe more ;) !,!
Now if somehow Carter can win his appeal I give us a shot at making a good showing against UK. Might even have to go down to Rupp for the game.
And if we should somehow manage a win over UK? I will drain my bottle of Pappy Van Winkle 23!
Good decision by Alec and good news for Valpo. I've never been a fan of the grad transfer rule, so I'm glad Alec made the right decision. Best of luck in the upcoming season!
I can only say on this somber of Holidays, Alec made this Christmas for me!!! And I will be at most if not all home games this year just like last. Supporting this young man to chase his dream!!!!
Aww shucks, I was hoping that he would transfer to MSU.
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Alec is one class act who comes from a great family! Best wishes to you Alec and I wish you nothing but success this coming season and in your future, which is indeed very bright!!!
Uh oh, some of you have ticked off Tom Davis with your responses :). The guy acts like a 4th grader when his opinions are incorrect, going back to several other instances you can Google about other occurrences where he showed a major Butler bias (trying to tell a recruit to pick Butler over IU, etc). The fact is that he made a statement that sounded like he was confirming that Peters was going to Vandy, not that he was just trying to say that he had considered such a thing. Since he was wrong, he is trying to take a very liberal meaning from his actual tweet, in order to try and save face.
Davis is not credible. He only hurts himself with that kind of "reporting."
Quote from: valpotx on May 31, 2016, 09:04:21 AM
Uh oh, some of you have ticked off Tom Davis with your responses :). The guy acts like a 4th grader when his opinions are incorrect, going back to several other instances you can Google about other occurrences where he showed a major Butler bias (trying to tell a recruit to pick Butler over IU, etc). The fact is that he made a statement that sounded like he was confirming that Peters was going to Vandy, not that he was just trying to say that he had considered such a thing. Since he was wrong, he is trying to take a very liberal meaning from his actual tweet, in order to try and save face.
The tweets to Todd were hysterical. He ended up tweeting about 5 responses to Todd's one response. Davis appears to be the very definition of the word "tool".
Quote from: VU2624 on May 31, 2016, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: valpotx on May 31, 2016, 09:04:21 AM
Uh oh, some of you have ticked off Tom Davis with your responses :). The guy acts like a 4th grader when his opinions are incorrect, going back to several other instances you can Google about other occurrences where he showed a major Butler bias (trying to tell a recruit to pick Butler over IU, etc). The fact is that he made a statement that sounded like he was confirming that Peters was going to Vandy, not that he was just trying to say that he had considered such a thing. Since he was wrong, he is trying to take a very liberal meaning from his actual tweet, in order to try and save face.
The tweets to Todd were hysterical. He ended up tweeting about 5 responses to Todd's one response. Davis appears to be the very definition of the word "tool".
Wow. Went back and looked at these tweets. Davis and the Don Bosco Prep mouthpiece really make me appreciate those that follow Valpo MBB a little more closely - media pbp and local print.
Davis wants Peters to publicly announce that he never considered transferring to Vanderbilt. How can one publicly announce something that never publicly happened? Did Peters (and his 'team') look at all possibilities this spring? Yes. The grad transfer was not pursued after Peters and his 'team' considered all of the possibilities. He never contacted Vanderbilt. He couldn't contact Vanderbilt until he opted into the grad transfer - which never happened.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/737681674901692416
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/peters-returning-to-valparaiso-for-final-season/article_f805d7ad-6496-5426-aa85-017d833f3b3c.html
I fully agree with @AKeps17!
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/737469418503049220
in reply to:
https://twitter.com/AKeps17/status/737459725055479808
I appreciate coming back from the holiday weekend to this news. Early on when Valparaiso was still recruiting Peters, I mentioned on this forum that if he signed with Valpo Alec would become the second greatest player in the program's history, and I only kept him out of number one in deference to Bryce. I am pleased to see Alec will be returning with a chance to fulfill his potential and my prediction. Indeed, I look forward to an offense designed by Coach Lottich that will offer Peters every opportunity to display his talent even more. I also hope that offense does Peters a favor and will feature Alec at the 3 position (instead of the 4) more than in the past since that is the role by which he will be judged for any NBA team. Alec was told by the NBA coaches he needs to showcase a mid-range game. Perhaps some line-ups with Smits at the 5, Adekoya at the 4, and Peters at the 3.... In any case, the upcoming season is going to be very interesting.
This is much needed news in a fairly rough off-season. Peters doesn't have to treat the word 'Valparaiso' like 'Voldermort' now (although I'm sure he would have gone out with a some gratitude and class).
Love Peters loyalty and his feeling of unfinished business (winning an NCAA tournament game for Valpo). Really impressed he developed that in 3 years. He could have gone somewhere more glamourous with his pick of experienced coach, but instead he quietly returned to Valpo with an extra degree in his pocket. This is not the least bit surprising, as Alec has always been a stand-up guy. Talk is always cheap, but his actions speak loudly.
This also shows Lottich was the right hire.
Alright, now that this is all settled, all that's left to do is everything.
Davis blocked me from viewing his tweets, so I have no idea what he's been tweeting. I don't believe I ever attacked him. My original tweet was trying to inform him that his info was way off base. Oh well, I guess the inability to view his tweets going forward will leave an empty whole in my day! ;D
He probably saw your tweet about GS being done and figured you were just some crazy loon! I'm sure the members here will make sure everyone knows when that guy makes his next ridiculous tweet!
As much as Davis whines about others not understanding that he said "considering", it appears Davis doesn't understand the word "speculating" and got the two confused.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-michael-osipoff-column-st-0601-20160531-story.html
QuoteSpeculation centered on Peters following Drew, with whom he has a close relationship. Vanderbilt was the leading contender among a host of interested programs if he chose to transfer.
But it turned out Peters, scheduled to complete his undergraduate degree in June at the end of Valparaiso's first summer session, wasn't going anywhere.
Since the question asked in this thread's Subject has been answered, I think it is time to put the thread to bed - aka clean slate.
But wait ....... Isn't speculation as to whether he will play the 3 or play the 4 in scope for this? ;D
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 02, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
But wait ....... Isn't speculation as to whether he will play the 3 or play the 4 in scope for this? ;D
Ahhh, no! But thanks for playing. You can pick up a prize on your way out.
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 02, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
But wait ....... Isn't speculation as to whether he will play the 3 or play the 4 in scope for this? ;D
Maybe where his new apartment will be? Course schedule?
Quote from: agibson on June 02, 2016, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on June 02, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
But wait ....... Isn't speculation as to whether he will play the 3 or play the 4 in scope for this? ;D
Maybe where his new apartment will be? Course schedule?
So I think his GF graduated so I'm really glad he didn't follow her to some grad school destination.
Inside Alec Peters' decision to return to Valparaiso
By Rob DausterAug 2, 2016, 12:41 PM EDT
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/08/02/inside-alec-peters-decision-to-return-to-valparaiso/
HAWTHORNE, Calif. — The call came when the coach was at his lake house. His wife was the one that saw whose name popped up on the screen. This was the moment of truth for Matt Lottich.
He had never pushed, never tried to overplay his hand to sell a soon-to-be graduate student on why returning to Valparaiso was the right move. Lottich, who had just become a head coach at any level for the first time in his life, knew what he could potentially have in Alec Peters. He knew what it would mean for his program — hell, for his career — to bring back an honorable mention All-American, a potential NBA Draft pick who will likely be the best mid-major player on any of the 275-or-so mid-major teams in the country.
But he also knew the opportunity that lay in front of Peters. The 6-foot-9 forward had finished his degree in three years, meaning that he had carte blanche from the NCAA to transfer anywhere in the country without having to sit out a season.
And that was if he opted to pull his name out of the NBA Draft.
Peters could chase his dreams at the professional level. He could increase the amount of exposure he garnered as a senior by transferring to one of the powerhouse programs — "the blue bloods of college basketball," as Peters put it — that had reached out to his high school and AAU coaches this spring. With the head coach that recruited him to Valpo, Bryce Drew, headed to Vanderbilt, the timing just made too much sense.
Lottich knew that.
And he knew that his relationship with Peters was too strong to be soured over the player taking advantage of the time and opportunity the revamped NBA Draft early entry rules gave him to weigh his options.
"I wanted to be available for him. I knew his goals. I wanted him to know that we would do everything in our power to help him reach those goals [at Valpo]," Lottich, who joined the staff as one of Drew's three assistant coaches the same season that Peters entered as a freshman, told NBCSports.com. "But, ultimately, we cared about him. If he felt that he could reach those goals at other places, then we wanted to help him with that."
What that led to was two months of stress. Who is he working out with? Who is making back-channel calls to his former coaches? Are opposing staffs tampering? Will he get an invite to the NBA Draft combine? Would he settle for guaranteed money to simply get an invite to a camp? Is the D-League or overseas really an option?
Fast forward to late-May. Lottich, who was officially hired on April 7th, the same day that Peters declared for the draft without hiring an agent, had watched the face of Crusaders basketball for the last three years workout with Utah. And Houston. And Boston. He watched him get passed over by the people sending out combine invites and still get another workout in Denver. He watched him pull his name out of the draft and bunker down with his family and girlfriend.
And he watched Peters' name pop up on his phone.
"I'm coming back to Valpo."
The wave of relief meant Lottich's celebration was muted: a silent fist-bump for his wife.
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In theory, up-transferring — leaving a program in the low- or mid-major ranks for a school that plays in one of the major conferences — is great. More exposure to professional scouts. More chances to play on TV. Larger home crowds and wilder road environments.
That all looks good on paper.
In reality, it's not the picture-perfect transition that it seems.
While the up-transfers may have visions of playing a starring role in front of 10,000 screaming fans, the truth is that high-major college coaches aren't raiding the lower levels of college basketball looking for a player to build their team around. They're looking for a piece, a kid that has a proven ability to play a role that's left void on their current roster.
Every up-transfer thinks they're going to end up being a Joseph Young or Jordan Clarkson, the next DeAndre Kane or Damion Lee. Those guys are the exception. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of these former mid-major stars end up being forgettable pieces at the highest level of college hoops. That doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't good enough to be the leading scorer on a tournament team, but it does mean they weren't used that way by their new coaching staff. They've invested time and money in recruiting, developing and ingraining their system in the kids already on the roster. They're not throwing that away to give 15 shots a night in the Big Ten to someone because they averaged 15 points in the Big South.
That's what made Peters' situation so unique.
He could have followed Drew to Vanderbilt. He could have played in the SEC for a coach that knew the ins and outs of what he was capable of, a coach whose system Peters was already fluent in. He could have been the star of a team that isn't as far away from being tournament-worthy as their record — and departures from — last season would seem to indicate.
We've never seen that situation play out. The closest we've ever come to it was Doug McDermott and Creighton. McDermott was a two-time All-American as a junior playing in the Missouri Valley. A likely second round pick, he opted to return to school for his final season of eligibility, helping to usher the Bluejays into the new-look Big East. Playing in the same system for the same coach with the same teammates in a new league, McDermott had one of the greatest seasons we've ever seen from a collegian, becoming the consensus National Player of the Year and a lottery pick.
The irony there?
Two NBA scouts told NBCSports.com that McDermott is the guy that Peters, who averaged 18.5 points, 8.4 boards and shot better than 44 percent from three, should model his game after if he's going to make it as an NBA player. It's feedback that Peters said he heard from the front office personnel himself.
For those on the outside, it just made too much sense.
But what those on the outside didn't realize is that Peters is too loyal to abandon his team to benefit himself. He didn't do it back in his AAU days, when some of the biggest programs in the midwest — the St. Louis Eagles, the Mac Irvin Fire — tried to poach him from the Illinois Irish. He didn't do it when there was a chance for him to leave Washington HS (Ill.) for IMG Academy. He sure as hell wasn't about to leave Valpo now.
"There was a moment of consideration. It would have been stupid of me not to consider it after everything that had happened with the coaching change," Peters told NBCSports.com in an interview last week. "With all that went on in [those two months] it felt like a year that went by."
"After I pulled my name out I took a few days and kind of relaxed and said, 'OK, before everything gets crazy, let's take a few days.' Me and my dad sat down and we listed everything, pro and con. Before I came out of high school we did the same thing. All the data on everything. All the stats on what it's like to be a guy that transfers up to a bigger school. I just tried to be as best informed as possible before I made my decision."
Ultimately, the decision was relatively easy.
"The ultimate determination for him was that he couldn't bring his teammates with him," Lottich said. "He's close with his teammates. He's the leader of this team. He's been the face of Valpo basketball for the last two, maybe even three years. He's the most famous player at Valpo since Bryce Drew. He has the opportunity to leave here as the all-time leading scorer and rebounder. I know he wants to win an NCAA tournament game at Valpo, and we have a team that he has an opportunity to do that."
And in the end, that mattered more to Peters than a chance to play in the ACC or the Big Ten. That mattered more than following his former head coach to Nashville.
Part of the reason was that, during his visits with NBA front offices, he was told that man-handling Horizon League competition said just as much about his ability as playing well for a bigger program.
"I was able to ask them straight up, as honest as they can be with me: 'Do you see me [in the NBA], and if this isn't my year what do I gotta do for next year to make it mine and be a first round pick and make a roster?'," Peters said.
Their answers?
"Be a guy at a mid-major school next year that's dominating at my level. Show that I can put up 20 and 10 and dominate a game against a bigger opponents when we play them. Lead my team farther into the NCAA tournament this year."
In other words, they told him that staying at Valpo not only wouldn't hurt his chances of getting to the NBA, but having a monster season might actually help more than being a solid piece for a good team at a higher level.
Peters told NBCSports.com all this while at the Nike Skills Academy, a three-day bootcamp in Los Angeles that afforded Peters the chance to workout with the best trainers, some of the best college players and all of Nike's best non-Team USA affiliated talents. He went head-to-head with the likes of Aaron Gordon, Stanley Johnson and Julius Randle, players that play the same position he'll end up playing in the professional ranks. He more than held his own, and at times he was one of the best players on the floor.
And he did all of that in front of NBA scouts and front office executives from almost every team.
Peters' physical limitations are never going away. He'll always be a below-average athlete by NBA standards. There will always be questions about his ability to defend or about what position he will play. But in a league that value the ability to shoot the ball more than ever, a guy that spent those three days raining pick-and-pop threes and spacing the floor is going to generate interest.
Regardless of what conference he plays in.
"Ultimately," Peters said, "I don't think there's any better place for me to be."