Detroit rolls over Siena Heights:
http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2014/11/1/MBB_1101145858.aspx (http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2014/11/1/MBB_1101145858.aspx)
Green Bay Rips On Ripon:
http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=209741859 (http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=209741859)
Oakland narrowly defeats Ferris State:
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110114aac.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110114aac.html)
Now granted, it was three different levels of teams (NAIA, DIII, and DII, respectively). But how do you get down 15, and give up 87 points, to a team picked 6th in the GLIAC?
Last year I criticized WSU's weak OOC schedule, and now look at ours. So, I want to be careful about criticizing Oakland, knowing that we have a similar type game coming up on Thursday. ;)
So it's the first exhibition game and Oakland had 4 starters log over 30 minutes and only played 8 the whole game.
Only had 8 scholarship players dressed. 1 is being redshirted, 1 can't play till December, 1 has a broken foot, and 1 is suspended. Once league gets here we will be 10 deep unless injury. The kid who is hurt will play a bunch of minutes.
and "King Kampe" talks and talks and talks and talks.............................
I know Jason Gardner is good, but isn't UWM losing to IUPUI at home a bad loss? Bad for UWM and bad for the HL.
Jeter didn't seem too worried about it, he decided to send a message to Tiby by making him sit after receiving a technical. I think they said that Tiby only played 4 minutes.
So far UWM has looked pretty lifeless and I don't know how much of it is their post season suspension and how much of it is missing someone who could knock down an open shot. Who would have guessed they would miss Aaron this much?
a couple of nice wins yesterday. Green Bay beats Evansville who was undefeated and Detroit beats Toledo to break their home winning streak. Those should help the conference rating.
This is probably the wrong thread to post this but I'm on the road and had limited time to research the proper spot!! Please move as appropriate, thank you!!
Quote from: vu72 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
This is probably the wrong thread to post this but I'm on the road and had limited time to research the proper spot!! Please move as appropriate, thank you!!
I would be surprised if someone nit-picks the location. Thankfully, present day board pedantry is a shadow of its former self.
Even thought we do not play them, I see that Butler beat UNC this afternoon.
Buck Futler
Quote from: vu72 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
a couple of nice wins yesterday. Green Bay beats Evansville who was undefeated and Detroit beats Toledo to break their home winning streak. Those should help the conference rating.
HL teams have done a good job of digging themselves out of an early hole, improving from a combined 4-17 start (D-1 games) to 16-21 presently. That said there are 5 challenging games on tap for later today and a ton more over the holiday weekend.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2014, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
This is probably the wrong thread to post this but I'm on the road and had limited time to research the proper spot!! Please move as appropriate, thank you!!
I would be surprised if someone nit-picks the location. Thankfully, present day board pedantry is a shadow of its former self.
This is the closest we have to a opponents' scoreboard thread. We could move it to "Opponents Non Conference Schedule" because that was started by HC.
Speaking of, what happened to him and MC (Matt Carter)?!?
Or a Butler hate thread? Though I suppose there are enough of those...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 26, 2014, 03:43:42 PM
Speaking of, what happened to him and MC (Matt Carter)?!?
Good question. Speaking of which, where is the VU instructor (or is that MC?) - has small children, posted pictures of his boys, sits in the upper deck - can't think of his board name? He was very engaged last year. What happened to milan miracle? The board is getting way too optimistic about this year's team. We need someone to give us a good dose of reality :). Seriously, where are these guys? I hope they are doing ok. You always wonder when someone suddenly disappears.
Correction on mm. I just remembered that he announced some time back that he was not going to post anymore. Maybe he'll have a change of heart.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2014, 03:59:59 PMGood question. Speaking of which, where is the VU instructor (or is that MC?) - has small children, posted pictures of his boys, sits in the upper deck - can't think of his board name? He was very engaged last year.
Are you thinking of agibson? He lived in Paris or somewhere in France for a while and then moved back to the Valpo area.
Ah, that's him. Thanks!
good point! where is he???
I suppose that LAA could always revert to his other personalities... ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 26, 2014, 08:38:38 PM
good point! where is he???
Apparently, he's still around:
http://www.valpo.edu/physics/faculty/agibson.php (http://www.valpo.edu/physics/faculty/agibson.php)
Quote from: valpotx on November 27, 2014, 12:17:44 AMI suppose that LAA could always revert to his other personalities...
I demand a DISLIKE button ;)
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2014, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 26, 2014, 03:43:42 PM
Speaking of, what happened to him and MC (Matt Carter)?!?
Good question. Speaking of which, where is the VU instructor (or is that MC?) - has small children, posted pictures of his boys, sits in the upper deck - can't think of his board name? He was very engaged last year. What happened to milan miracle? The board is getting way too optimistic about this year's team. We need someone to give us a good dose of reality :). Seriously, where are these guys? I hope they are doing ok. You always wonder when someone suddenly disappears.
Correction on mm. I just remembered that he announced some time back that he was not going to post anymore. Maybe he'll have a change of heart.
Don't forget HC too... But then again maybe LPA controls all other accounts and I've essentially just been talking to the same guy for 4 or 5 years, and read a lot of messages of him talking to himself. How do I know you are not you? How do I know you all are real. Ahhhhhh
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Nice Oakland win this afternoon over Toledo 81-79. Toledo is picked to win the MAC this year with 4 starters back from last year's 27-win team, but is now 0-2 against the HL, including a loss at home last Tuesday to Detroit 82-79.
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2014, 04:34:49 PM
Nice Oakland win this afternoon over Toledo 81-79. Toledo is picked to win the MAC this year with 4 starters back from last year's 27-win team, but is now 0-2 against the HL, including a loss at home last Tuesday to Detroit 82-79.
HL has a third shot to take down Toledo Wednesday when the Rockets visit Cleveland State.
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UIC lost to Grand Canyon at home last night. Yowza.
I would imagine this is Howard Moore's final season with UIC. They have been awful all but once when they were just mediocre.
UIC STINKS
I wonder if the MVC wants UIC as well...
Green Bay got worked against Georgia St. Another bad loss for the HL.
I'm liking our chances for a conference title more and more.
Georgia State is actually a really good mid major team - but I thought Green Bay would have played them closer. They were upset in their conference tourney last year before having a nice season. Georgia State actually has an NBA prospect on their team - RJ Hunter, whom is the coaches son. Don't be surprised if we see him hit a few big shots in the tourney this year.
Quote from: a3uge on December 04, 2014, 10:15:04 PMThey were upset in their conference tourney last year before having a nice season.
Either they play the tourney earlier than other conferences, or you're talking about their summer tour to Azerbajian.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 04, 2014, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 04, 2014, 10:15:04 PMThey were upset in their conference tourney last year before having a nice season.
Either they play the tourney earlier than other conferences, or you're talking about their summer tour to Azerbajian.
Like I say, never let a good typo go to waist.
Quote from: a3uge on December 04, 2014, 10:15:04 PMRJ Hunter, whom is the coaches son. Don't be surprised if we see him hit a few big shots in the tourney this year.
This is the same Ron Hunter at IUPUI when we were the Mid-con. I know they are a good mid-major team, but the #1 HL team, Green Bay, should beat them even on the road. If this is a "good league" then our defending conference champ should beat a Georgia St.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 05, 2014, 06:58:44 AM
Quote from: a3uge on December 04, 2014, 10:15:04 PMRJ Hunter, whom is the coaches son. Don't be surprised if we see him hit a few big shots in the tourney this year.
This is the same Ron Hunter at IUPUI when we were the Mid-con. I know they are a good mid-major team, but the #1 HL team, Green Bay, should beat them even on the road. If this is a "good league" then our defending conference champ should beat a Georgia St.
100% agreed.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 05, 2014, 06:58:44 AM
Quote from: a3uge on December 04, 2014, 10:15:04 PMRJ Hunter, whom is the coaches son. Don't be surprised if we see him hit a few big shots in the tourney this year.
This is the same Ron Hunter at IUPUI when we were the Mid-con. I know they are a good mid-major team, but the #1 HL team, Green Bay, should beat them even on the road. If this is a "good league" then our defending conference champ should beat a Georgia St.
With that loss I guess that makes Valpo the number one HL team. We've been able to beat teams that will contend for their conference crowd one on the road and one kinda sorta road game. GB is a one trick pony now, and that pony is Keifer Sykes. If you have a good defender and are able to shut him down, and they're a very beatable team. Wardle is a terrible coach and the team seems to underachieve every year. Especially last year with two possible future NBA players.
While I agree that I think we've moved into the "Favorite" role through non-con, it's still GB's preseason title to lose and they don't hand out midseason bids to the tourney.
I also think you're underrating Georgia St a little. RJ Hunter is a first round pick next season and I wouldn't be surprised if he led them to a Sweet 16 bid. They also have Kevin Ware, that of the "OH MY GOD THE BONE IS STICKING OUT OF HIS LEG" Kevin Ware with Louisville. He may have lost a step of speed, but he's still a REALLY good player that was good enough to be recruited by Rick Pitino. Their point guard would be an all conference player in the Horizon League. I wouldn't be surprised to see Green Bay lose at home on the return game.
Can't get enough of Ron Hunter along with RJ Hunter
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=12700&id=3440397 (http://www.georgiastatesports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=12700&id=3440397)
A video of the Georgia State trip to Costa Rica which included Ron Hunter's favorite past time giving shoes to underpriviledged kids.
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=12700&id=3440397 (http://www.georgiastatesports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=12700&id=3440397)
Quote from: Kyle321n on December 05, 2014, 08:48:03 AM
While I agree that I think we've moved into the "Favorite" role through non-con, it's still GB's preseason title to lose and they don't hand out midseason bids to the tourney.
I also think you're underrating Georgia St a little. RJ Hunter is a first round pick next season and I wouldn't be surprised if he led them to a Sweet 16 bid. They also have Kevin Ware, that of the "OH MY GOD THE BONE IS STICKING OUT OF HIS LEG" Kevin Ware with Louisville. He may have lost a step of speed, but he's still a REALLY good player that was good enough to be recruited by Rick Pitino. Their point guard would be an all conference player in the Horizon League. I wouldn't be surprised to see Green Bay lose at home on the return game.
And a Kentucky transfer, Ryan Harrow:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11106737/kevin-ware-gets-waiver-play-georgia-state-season (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11106737/kevin-ware-gets-waiver-play-georgia-state-season)
awww, you guys missed me :'(
btw: I doubt mc will be back :-X
Quote from: HC on December 05, 2014, 01:27:24 PM
awww, you guys missed me :'(
btw: I doubt mc will be back :-X
I was thinking milanmiracle but that is mm. Who is mc?
Quote from: bbtds on December 05, 2014, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: HC on December 05, 2014, 01:27:24 PM
awww, you guys missed me :'(
btw: I doubt mc will be back :-X
I was thinking milanmiracle but that is mm. Who is mc?
Matt Carter... I think he left when there were no Bobby 3's to complain about.
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 02:42:43 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 05, 2014, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: HC on December 05, 2014, 01:27:24 PM
awww, you guys missed me :'(
btw: I doubt mc will be back :-X
I was thinking milanmiracle but that is mm. Who is mc?
Matt Carter... I think he left when there were no Bobby 3's to complain about.
Okay, I must have thought he was just another St Louis Cardinals player named Matt
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 04, 2014, 08:02:46 PM
Green Bay got worked against Georgia St. Another bad loss for the HL.
I think you are being kind... being down 24 at halftime is down right embarrassing for the Horizon League standard bearer. Any explanation as to what in the h3!! happened?
(GreenBayPhoenix.com) – For the first time this season, Green Bay (5-2) did not score first on Thursday night, and it turned out to be a sign of things to come as the Phoenix offense struggled and Georgia State (6-2) returned home with a 72-48 victory at the GSU Sports Arena.
The game was tied 4-4 early as the teams traded baskets, but the Panthers rattled off a 15-2 run over the next six-plus minutes to lead 19-6 and led by double digits for the rest of the night.
Georgia State made things worse for its guests late in the half, tallying the final 11 points to lead 42-18 at intermission. The Panthers made 18-of-29 shots in the opening 20 minutes and Green Bay knocked down only 8-of-29.
Senior Keifer Sykes (Chicago, Ill.) led the Phoenix out of halftime by nailing a trio of three-pointers in the first few minutes to cut the lead to 15, but Georgia State immediately responded with a 10-0 run.
Sykes finished with 16 points to lead the Phoenix, but the visitors did not have another player reach double figures. Green Bay finished the game 15-of-52 from the field for just 28.8 percent, including 4-of-15 from the three-point line.
Georgia State's impressive backcourt of R.J. Hunter and Ryan Harrow led the way for the Panthers, scoring 26 and 17 points, respectively.
The Phoenix stays on the road and heads further south to Florida on Saturday, playing at No. 15/15 Miami (8-0) at 1 p.m. CST.
box score if you want to see it:
https://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf9/3023865.pdf (https://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf9/3023865.pdf)
The Georgia State write-up is a little different
ATLANTA-Led by hot first half shooting and 26 points from R.J. Hunter, Georgia State cruised to a 72-48 win over Green Bay in a match-up of two of the top mid-major teams on Thursday night at the GSU Sports Arena.
Hunter finished the game with four 3-pointers and is now just one shy of becoming just the second Panther to make 200 in a career. After being named Sun Belt Player of the Week on Monday, he added five rebounds and made 10-of-12 from the free throw line. He also became just the fifth Panther in program history to score at least 1,300 points and now has 1,317 for his career.
Junior T.J. Shipes made his second career start and finished with a double-double of 11 points and 11 rebounds, to go along with a pair of blocked shots. He made 5-of-6 from the floor.
Georgia State shot 62 percent in the first half and finished the game shooting 53.1 percent from the floor. The Panthers came into the night shooting 50.6 percent for the season, ranked No. 19 in the NCAA.
Georgia State (6-2) won for the fifth-straight time and for the 15th-straight time at home dating back to the start of last season. The streak is tied for the 11th longest in the country.
Green Bay (5-2) entered the night ranked No. 1 in the country in the first NCAA RPI which had come out on Wednesday.
The game featured a match-up of a pair of Naismith Trophy Top 50 watch list members in Hunter and Green Bay's Keifer Sykes. The Panthers held Sykes to 16 points, the only member of the Phoenix to score in double figures.
"I was very impressed with the play of our guys tonight," head coach Ron Hunter said. "Despite what the score might say, that is an NCAA tournament team. We beat a very good basketball team. They are one of the best mid-major teams in the country.
"Everyone wants to talk about how good our offense is, but I keep telling everyone who will listen that our defense is pretty good too and I think tonight it showed. I was really proud of the way our guys fought for loose balls and took advantages of opportunities when they presented themselves. It was an all-round great effort."
Georgia State used hot shooting early to take a 16-6 lead just six and half minutes into the game, causing Green Bay to call its first time out. The Panthers made 7-of-10 from the floor during that time.
The Panthers led 31-18 before going on an 11-0 run to take a 42-18 into the half, their biggest lead of the first 20 minutes.
Georgia State held the Phoenix to just 27.6 percent shooting in the first half and 1-of-7 from 3-point range.
In the second half, Green Bay cut the lead to 50-34 with 14:37 to play, before the Panthers went on a 10-0 run to take a 60-34 lead with under 12 minutes to play.
Green Bay did not make a field goal from the 14:37 mark to 4:40 left in the game, as Georgia State built its lead to 69-40.
Senior Ryan Harrow added 17 points, eight assists and three of the Panthers nine steals.
Markus Crider chipped in with nine points and five rebounds, making all four shots from the floor.
The Panthers outscored Green Bay 34-18 in the paint and outrebounded the Phoenix 39-31.
Quote from: talksalot on December 05, 2014, 04:35:03 PM
The Georgia State write-up is a little different
ATLANTA-Led by hot first half shooting and 26 points from R.J. Hunter, Georgia State cruised to a 72-48 win over Green Bay in a match-up of two of the top mid-major teams on Thursday night at the GSU Sports Arena.
Hunter finished the game with four 3-pointers and is now just one shy of becoming just the second Panther to make 200 in a career. After being named Sun Belt Player of the Week on Monday, he added five rebounds and made 10-of-12 from the free throw line. He also became just the fifth Panther in program history to score at least 1,300 points and now has 1,317 for his career.
Junior T.J. Shipes made his second career start and finished with a double-double of 11 points and 11 rebounds, to go along with a pair of blocked shots. He made 5-of-6 from the floor.
Georgia State shot 62 percent in the first half and finished the game shooting 53.1 percent from the floor. The Panthers came into the night shooting 50.6 percent for the season, ranked No. 19 in the NCAA.
Georgia State (6-2) won for the fifth-straight time and for the 15th-straight time at home dating back to the start of last season. The streak is tied for the 11th longest in the country.
Green Bay (5-2) entered the night ranked No. 1 in the country in the first NCAA RPI which had come out on Wednesday.
The game featured a match-up of a pair of Naismith Trophy Top 50 watch list members in Hunter and Green Bay's Keifer Sykes. The Panthers held Sykes to 16 points, the only member of the Phoenix to score in double figures.
"I was very impressed with the play of our guys tonight," head coach Ron Hunter said. "Despite what the score might say, that is an NCAA tournament team. We beat a very good basketball team. They are one of the best mid-major teams in the country.
"Everyone wants to talk about how good our offense is, but I keep telling everyone who will listen that our defense is pretty good too and I think tonight it showed. I was really proud of the way our guys fought for loose balls and took advantages of opportunities when they presented themselves. It was an all-round great effort."
Georgia State used hot shooting early to take a 16-6 lead just six and half minutes into the game, causing Green Bay to call its first time out. The Panthers made 7-of-10 from the floor during that time.
The Panthers led 31-18 before going on an 11-0 run to take a 42-18 into the half, their biggest lead of the first 20 minutes.
Georgia State held the Phoenix to just 27.6 percent shooting in the first half and 1-of-7 from 3-point range.
In the second half, Green Bay cut the lead to 50-34 with 14:37 to play, before the Panthers went on a 10-0 run to take a 60-34 lead with under 12 minutes to play.
Green Bay did not make a field goal from the 14:37 mark to 4:40 left in the game, as Georgia State built its lead to 69-40.
Senior Ryan Harrow added 17 points, eight assists and three of the Panthers nine steals.
Markus Crider chipped in with nine points and five rebounds, making all four shots from the floor.
The Panthers outscored Green Bay 34-18 in the paint and outrebounded the Phoenix 39-31.
So, Green Bay had a Harrowing experience?
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 02:42:43 PMMatt Carter... I think he left when there were no Bobby 3's to complain about.
No (funny though!), he had a bad experience with an ass't AD at VU, unfortunately. I told him we missed him, but I doubt he's coming back.
Quote from: covufan on December 05, 2014, 04:37:21 PMSo, Green Bay had a Harrowing experience?
You realize you lost all possibility of ever criticizing my jokes again...
Thank you talksalot.
I guess we have to take all the bad things we said about Green Bay. They represented today and beat a nationally ranked miami team.
Already a pretty good day for the HL and now we need to cap it off on a positive note. Is it too early to think that this is the start of a comeback? In the Butler days it always seemed like HL OOC success would breed further HL success. I wikes it!!
Great win for the Horizon. Can't say I'm not jealous, but I still think they'll fumble in the HL tourney again.
Wright St over Belmont again, plus UIC over UCF!
The HL maybe could get back to 500 on Saturday and it has been a while since that has happened!
Two very nice wins for the league tonight - UIC over UCF and WSU over Belmont for the 2nd time. Add to that our drubbing of Murray State, and the HL has dominated the OVC's top 2 teams. After a horrendous 4-17 start, the HL has gone an impressive 30-20 against D-1 opponents. We are currently ranked 12th in conference RPI, 1 position behind the league that is way way way no comparison shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath better than the HL.
Looking at the conferences behind us, there's some big name, usually multi-bid conferences behind us. I know C-USA has dropped like a stone, but still kind of cool to be ahead of them, the MAC has been multi-bid leagues in the recent past and have some powerful schools still in them, the Ivy behing so high is surprising, but I like it. Personally I'd love for the Horizon to reach A10 status, but I think that's a pipe dream.
Kyle, ok, I bit my tongue when you said think Oakland as you compared us to Drake, a really :censored: team, but you come on our message board and ask us to read your writings, like you are a basketball expert. It would really help if you knew something about the facts before you make statements. I'll give you some facts. The MAC has been a 1 bid league since 1999. Kent and Miami went in 99. 1 team for the last 15 years. In fact the last time the MAC has had a kid drafted was 2003. Kris Kamen from Central Michigan. Even the Summit league has had 3 guys drafted since the MAC has had one. (Hill-Benson-Walters) The Horizon league has had a kid drafted 5 years in a row, and Sykes will make it 6. In the last 6 years the Horizon league has 14 NCAA wins while the MAC has 3. Hard for me to take you serious when you say stuff like you do. Have you seen Oakland play this year? How can you compare them to Drake when you haven't seen them. Now before you all get mad at me for coming on here and saying this, I'm only doing so because this guy has come on our board and asked us to read him. So with that we don't take him as a fan. Fans are allowed to say dumb stuff, I do all the time.
To me it seems like the Eagles, Chips and Broncs could be better than the Wolverines!!! (three exclamations only)
But in the end the HL is a better bb conference then the MAC.
EDIT: I rethought that. The Eags, Chips and Broncs ARE better than the Wolverines!!!
We struggled for our first 3 years in the HL. We became a serious contender in Y4 and finally won championships in Y5 and Y6. I wouldn't be surprised if Oakland follows a similar path. They have and have had a talented starting 5 and are capable of beating anyone in the league any time any where. They just don't go deep enough. Plain and simple their key players simply play too many minutes to be consistently successful in what is one of the most physical, defensive-minded leagues in D-1. Once they start recruiting a little deeper, they'll be right there. They were and still are a very good addition to the league.
Wait, I thought Drake was from Canada, not Oakland. You sure you're not thinking of Tupac?
Quote from: a3uge on December 12, 2014, 12:44:33 PM
Wait, I thought Drake was from Canada, not Oakland. You sure you're not thinking of Tupac?
Drake's big men are projects. Until they get better or the Bulldogs get better big men (not an easy task as we well know) they will be down.
Quote from: bbtds on December 12, 2014, 12:58:42 PMDrake's big men are projects.
Wait, I thought they were FROM the projects. You sure you're not thinking of Biggie?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 12, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 12, 2014, 12:58:42 PMDrake's big men are projects.
Wait, I thought they were FROM the projects. You sure you're not thinking of Biggie?
If it was a project it was a Danish project. Jacob Enevold is their 7 footer and almost completely useless. They also have a 6'11" freshman from Dunkerton, IA who, with a whole lot of progress, might be serviceable by his junior year, Kory Kuenstling.
And yes, I know you're joking about rappers.
Detroit hanging around with Wichita St! I am going to to 360 to see if I can find it.
Murray State (6-4) won at Evansville (6-3) 81-79 for their 4th straight win since losing to us at Nashville.
Look at how amazing the MVC is in their 1 spot higher RPI rating.
We open the HL on 1/2 at the ORena... so what does Oakland have on their schedule between now and then... on ESPNU right now, down 20 to Michigan State in the second half; then...
@ Arizona
@ Pitt
@ Clemson
@ Maryland
They are... 3-6 (D-1) following the loss to the Spartans... I'm seeing them 3-10 when we get them
we are 10-2, and have powerful IPFW (Undefeated at home this year); Goshen Maple Leaf(ves) who are 8-3 going into a tournament mid-week at Madonna; and then James Madison whose RPI fell 30 points (to 135) last night after a 13-point loss to #261 East Carolina.
SO... who's going to be more ready to play the HL schedule?
Quote from: talksalot on December 14, 2014, 08:25:42 PM
We open the HL on 1/2 at the ORena... so what does Oakland have on their schedule between now and then... on ESPNU right now, down 20 to Michigan State in the second half; then...
@ Arizona
@ Pitt
@ Clemson
@ Maryland
They are... 3-6 (D-1) following the loss to the Spartans... I'm seeing them 3-10 when we get them
we are 10-2, and have powerful IPFW (Undefeated at home this year); Goshen Maple Leaf(ves) who are 8-3 going into a tournament mid-week at Madonna; and then James Madison whose RPI fell 30 points (to 135) last night after a 13-point loss to #261 East Carolina.
SO... who's going to be more ready to play the HL schedule?
I see two very difficult games coming up. First is IPFW because we always seem to struggle aginst them. Next is James Madison. Who scheduled this game must have been nuts. We play Saturday, sunday and then fly to Virginia for a Monday night game. We will have tired legs and playing a pretty solid team. We could lose two out of three which would put us in a bad light going into the league play.
Quote from: vu72 on December 15, 2014, 11:20:06 AMWe play Saturday, sunday and then fly to Virginia for a Monday night game.
I'll just say I think you need to take another gander at the schedule...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 15, 2014, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: vu72 on December 15, 2014, 11:20:06 AMWe play Saturday, sunday and then fly to Virginia for a Monday night game.
I'll just say I think you need to take another gander at the schedule...
Opps. My apologies to any schedulers who might have been offended by my post. :-*
Quote from: vu72 on December 15, 2014, 01:30:43 PMQuote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 15, 2014, 12:14:11 PMQuote from: vu72 on December 15, 2014, 11:20:06 AMWe play Saturday, sunday and then fly to Virginia for a Monday night game.
I'll just say I think you need to take another gander at the schedule...
Opps. My apologies to any schedulers who might have been offended by my post. :-*
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Boy, I know how that feels.
Quote from: vu72 on December 15, 2014, 01:30:43 PMOpps.
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I would have gone with "Ooplands, two Opplands"
or "Alley Opp"
or "The Nashville of Germany, Opplyland"
You could say that Nürnberg has a monoppoly on Opplands.
oh brother.
here's how I imagine it is if/when the two of you ever get together.
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The same E. Kentucky team that we beat at the beginning of the month beat 18th ranked Miami Fl. tonight by 28 points. That certainly takes some of the luster off of GB's win over Miami the other day.
More Horizon disappointments. CSU goes down to a decent Eastern Illinois team, 67-65. Meanwhile, Detroit is losing by 28 to ASU with the Horizon League's leading scorer having made 2 pts in the first half. BTW, ASU lost their last game to Lehigh. I like our chances for a conference championship more and more.
Quote from: vu72 on December 23, 2014, 03:05:37 PM
More Horizon disappointments. CSU goes down to a decent Eastern Illinois team, 67-65. Meanwhile, Detroit is losing by 28 to ASU with the Horizon League's leading scorer having made 2 pts in the first half. BTW, ASU lost their last game to Lehigh. I like our chances for a conference championship more and more.
I have come to the conclusion that it's pointless to spend any time thinking about conference RPI, multiple bids, and tournament seeding as long as we continue to be dragged down by programs that need better coaching and/or recruiting. The HL is much more a "co-op of convenience" than it is a conference of like-minded athletic programs with everyone pulling their load.
Quote from: wh on December 23, 2014, 05:05:21 PMas long as we continue to be dragged down by programs that need better
Let me think... I believe this was an exact quote coming out of Cleveland State's staff... about a certain Valpo team explaining their exit...circa 1990... The tide swings in all directions...
Wright State just got done losing at home.
Oh No! We Suck Again! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kowv6l2CBD0#)
Detroit lost by 39. That is embarrassing on its face. Chicago State only lost to this team by 35. Ugh. Where is the titan fan now??
What is crazy is that Detroit, on its surface, is a talented team. When digging deeper it appears that once again the coaches can't get them on the same page.
On the plus side, I'm now really looking forward to my annual wrap-up of the non-con season.
(Terrible teams make better comedic material than good ones.)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/12/31/horizon-league-the-non-con-2012/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/12/31/horizon-league-the-non-con-2012/)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2014/01/01/horizon-league-the-non-con-2013/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2014/01/01/horizon-league-the-non-con-2013/)
oh man. dated but still somewhat good, like old chocolate-covered pretzels you find on your car floor.
(purely a hypothetical there.)
Looks like the HL very well could go 0-5 over the weekend as the league continues to stagger into conference play:
Sat.:
#21 Ohio State over Wright State (won't be close)
#15 Maryland over Oakland (ditto)
Georgia State over Green Bay (should be closer than the 72-48 butt whipping GB took @ GSU on 12/4, but not close enough. GS's 3 losses are to teams with a combined record of 30-2) (Interestingly, GB is favored by 5)
Sun.:
South Dakota over Milwaukee (bad team over a team that looks like it will continue to struggle for wins)
Bradley over UIC (pretty bad team over a very bad team)
Quote from: wh on December 26, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
Looks like the HL very well could go 0-5 over the weekend as the league continues to stagger into conference play:
Sat.:
#21 Ohio State over Wright State (won't be close)
#15 Maryland over Oakland (ditto)
Georgia State over Green Bay (should be closer than the 72-48 butt whipping GB took @ GSU on 12/4, but not close enough. GS's 3 losses are to teams with a combined record of 30-2) (Interestingly, GB is favored by 5)
Sun.:
South Dakota over Milwaukee (bad team over a team that looks like it will continue to struggle for wins)
Bradley over UIC (pretty bad team over a very bad team)
Sat.:
#21 Ohio State over Wright State (won't be close) L Worst loss in Wright State history
#15 Maryland over Oakland (ditto) L but a defeat that will help them prepare for the HL like all the others defeats....???
Georgia State over Green Bay (should be closer than the 72-48 butt whipping GB took @ GSU on 12/4, but not close enough. GS's 3 losses are to teams with a combined record of 30-2) (Interestingly, GB is favored by 5) W Georgia St. had a 1 point lead with 6 minutes to go. Green Bay put a good run together and never looked back. Love was the big scorer for GB. Does he match up against Peters?
Sun.:
South Dakota over Milwaukee (bad team over a team that looks like it will continue to struggle for wins)
is a 3 point under dog.Bradley over UIC (pretty bad team over a very bad team)
is a 8.5 point under dog.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 28, 2014, 10:52:15 AMSun.: South Dakota over Milwaukee (bad team over a team that looks like it will continue to struggle for wins) is a 3 point under dog. Bradley over UIC (pretty bad team over a very bad team) is a 8.5 point under dog.
This game wasn't on the internet any where but I noticed Milwaukee lost to South Dakota 84-60.
BTW, USD lost 3 OT games this season, in one OT to Fairfield by 8, in 2 OT to Creighton by 3 and in 3 OT to Sam Houston St by 8.
They've beaten both Montana, by 5, and Montana St by 2.
UIC is hanging with Bradley so far 15-15 with 9 minutes to go in the 1st half.
EDIT: Bradley wins 68-60 over UIC.
YSU beats a decent Northern Kentucky team and Green Bay beats CHICAGO STATE BY 4!!!!!!!! Are they a paper tiger??
Quote from: vu72 on December 31, 2014, 04:03:48 PM
YSU beats a decent Northern Kentucky team and Green Bay beats CHICAGO STATE BY 4!!!!!!!! Are they a paper tiger??
They're the same team we dominated when Brown was injured last year. They are who we thought they were...
Dennis Green They Are Who We Thought They Were (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw5UWqpcsDs#ws)
Quote from: vu72 on December 31, 2014, 04:03:48 PM
YSU beats a decent Northern Kentucky team and Green Bay beats CHICAGO STATE BY 4!!!!!!!! Are they a paper tiger??
Wow....I don't even know what to say. Can we crown Valpo yet?
Quote from: Valpofan00 on January 01, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: vu72 on December 31, 2014, 04:03:48 PM
YSU beats a decent Northern Kentucky team and Green Bay beats CHICAGO STATE BY 4!!!!!!!! Are they a paper tiger??
Wow....I don't even know what to say. Can we crown Valpo yet?
The only thing we know at this point:
1) Is that we can't crown anyone.
2) Only UIC and Milw would be certain to NOT be crowned.
I haven't seen anything overly impressive from the other 7 teams to make me think anyone is any better than the rest.
Finally, I do think this year will have the messiest tie breaker ever.
Jay Harris goes for 25, including 13 for 13 from the FT line as UIC takes down YSU 77-71!
Quote from: vu72 on January 02, 2015, 05:32:42 PM
Jay Harris goes for 25, including 13 for 13 from the FT line as UIC takes down YSU 77-71!
13 for 13 but still 11 less free throws than what Felder shot against Valpo. I don't think I would have believed it unless I saw it (well, at least most of it) myself.
From Commissioner's Scoreboard report:
Cleveland State 74, UIC 69. Cleveland State (2-0, 8-8), after hitting 83% in the second half against Milwaukee on Friday, came back today to shoot 59% from the floor. Anton Grady led with 18 points and 10 rebounds. For UIC (1-1, 5-12) Mark Brown had 21 points and Ahman Fells 13 points and 11 rebounds. Attendance was listed at 717, the lowest in the Horizon in at least 2 years.
UIC student enrollment: 27,875
UIC workforce: 12,174
UIC living alumni: 650,000
Chicago population: 2,718,782
Message board fans: 5
Mvc took the wrong chicago team
Games tonight that might help offset our SOS...Spreads are from the CBSSPORTS.COM site.
Missouri is a 2-point dog to LSU at home
James Madison is a 2.5-point dog to Northeastern at home
E. Tenn St is favored by 3.5 over Mercer at home
IPFW is a 1.5 point dog to Denver at home
E. Kentucky is favored by 3.5 over UT-Martin in Tennessee
Murray State is favored by 6.5 over Tennessee Tech in Tennessee
Portland is favored by 7.5 over UC_Santa Clara at home
in the HL tonight:
Cleveland is favored by 8.5 over Oakland at Home
Youngstown is a 2-point dog to Wright at home
(Valpo is favored by 14.5)
All numbers are for Entertainment Purposes Only !! so laugh it up.
Quote from: talksalot on January 08, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
Games tonight that might help offset our SOS...Spreads are from the CBSSPORTS.COM site.
Missouri is a 2-point dog to LSU at home
James Madison is a 2.5-point dog to Northeastern at home
E. Tenn St is favored by 3.5 over Mercer at home
IPFW is a 1.5 point dog to Denver at home
E. Kentucky is favored by 3.5 over UT-Martin in Tennessee
Murray State is favored by 6.5 over Tennessee Tech in Tennessee
Portland is favored by 7.5 over UC_Santa Clara at home
in the HL tonight:
Cleveland is favored by 8.5 over Oakland at Home
Youngstown is a 2-point dog to Wright at home
(Valpo is favored by 14.5)
All numbers are for Entertainment Purposes Only !! so laugh it up.
Portland with an early lead but the rest look final or decided and most went well. Only opponent losses by James Madison, Oakland and YSU. Nice wins by IPFW and Missouri!
So... watching the Nolan RPI update during the game tonight... we started at 84... within minutes of the ETSU and Missouri Wins, we had jumped to 79... then Oakland, Youngstown and James Madison went fine... and we slipped to 82. Now, pending the Portland game (up 7 with 15:00 to play), we sit at ... 84.... right where we started.
Quote from: talksalot on January 08, 2015, 04:15:14 PMCleveland is favored by 8.5 over Oakland at Home
Wonder how Felder was only able to shoot 6 FTs against the CSU Vikings after shooting 24 FTs against Valpo. Did Kahlil suddenly forget how to get to the free throw line? I have a feeling the refs were much more aware of Felder driving into trouble and not bailing him out with foul calls. They most likely let the action happen and Felder couldn't make that many shots from the floor. CSU also plays really good defense.
With only 6 FTs Felder had 14 points instead of 32.
I watched the Oakland at CSU replay just to see if Felder's play was different in that game. Within 1:15 of the opening tip Felder was called for not moving the ball on offense for 5 seconds. Great D by Charlie Lee. At 16:00 Felder threw up a three and fell backwards but the refs didn't give him the call like was given to Felder when Tevonn Walker was called for a foul. It was just tough D by Charlie Lee. By 14:56 Oakland had missed 7 shots and were losing 7-0. As you can see the game did not go nearly as well for the Grizzlies as it did at home for Oakland against Valpo.
Quote from: talksalot on January 08, 2015, 10:19:15 PM
So... watching the Nolan RPI update during the game tonight... we started at 84... within minutes of the ETSU and Missouri Wins, we had jumped to 79... then Oakland, Youngstown and James Madison went fine... and we slipped to 82. Now, pending the Portland game (up 7 with 15:00 to play), we sit at ... 84.... right where we started.
No movement in the RPI is great news after you get done playing UIC at home....AKA an RPI killer no matter what the result. Thank god our OOC opponents went 6-1 tonight to offset the damage of having to play them.
Speaking of our OOC opponents, Murray State has won 10 consecutive games since their 93-58 loss to us on Nov. 29th. They are now 12-4 for the season.
Saturday will also be a fun day to scoreboard-watch... 11 of our 12 D-1 OOC opponents are in action. (Murray State is on CBSportsNet Sunday vs. Jacksonville State)
Maine (1-13) is at Binghampton (1-16) (Sagarin 334 vs. 344)
James Madison at William and Mary
Northern Iowa @ Drake
San Francisco at Portland
Chattanooga @ ETSU
Central Michigan @ Ball State
Missouri @ Auburn
Eastern Kentucky @ Southeast Missouri State
South Dakota @ IPFW
Alabama State @ Ark-Pine Bluff
New Mexico @ Utah State
Oakland @ Detroit is the only other HL game on Saturday
(GB @ Milwaukee on Friday night 9am CT)
(Youngstown @ GB on Sunday)
We started the night at 86 in KenPom and moved up to 77. Getting a W never "hurts" RPI, but UIC certainly doesn't move the meter.
Quote from: talksalot on January 09, 2015, 08:43:12 AM(GB @ Milwaukee on Friday night 9am CT)
Really, I can't find this game anywhere and it should be in the 2nd half as of 10:24 a.m. I guess if the snow is piling up outside why play this game at night. You can see better during daylight. Who cares about class?
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Our out of conference schedule is looking better as the season progresses. Five teams have winning records, led by Murray at 12-4, East Tenn St. at 9-4 and Portland at 11-5. Six teams have winning records, three are at .500 and only Drake (3/12) and Maine at (1-13) are really bad.
IPFW finally won a game. The local paper is really giving them the sh#t for being picked to win the league and then playing like cr*p. That is what happens when a key player goes down for a while (Forbes is back but has not played like he did early in the season). I hope we can overcome our situation.
humble suggestion to remove the All Saints' date and 'exhibition' from the title of this thread?
Detroit dominated Oakland this afternoon 74-54. Felder had 16 points, but only hit 5 of 12 shots and 5 of 8 FT's. He also had 8 turnovers in 32 minutes. Detroit totally shut down Petros, who had 2 points on 1-4 FG's. The best player on the court was Detroit freshman Paris Bass with 18 points in 21 minutes. Oakland had no one that could stop him from driving the hoop. He looks like a guy with a very bright future.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 09, 2015, 09:10:05 PM
humble suggestion to remove the All Saints' date and 'exhibition' from the title of this thread?
Suggestion taken.
Better?
so... 10 of our D-1 opponents played today...
Ball State over Central Michigan
Eastern Kentucky over SEMO
UNew Mexico beats a good Utah State Team...66-60
the other 7 OOC teams all lost !! Even Maine (1-15) lost to the #344 team, Binghamton, now 2-15... and they lost by 19 points. And Oakland being pummeled at UDM by 20 didn't help.
Before our win, and before the Lobo game went final, our NOLAN RPI had fallen from 89 to 94. Now, we are back up to 90. Maybe Murray State will help us a little tomorrow.
Quote from: talksalot on January 10, 2015, 09:56:18 PM
so... 10 of our D-1 opponents played today...
Ball State over Central Michigan
Eastern Kentucky over SEMO
UNew Mexico beats a good Utah State Team...66-60
the other 7 OOC teams all lost !! Even Maine (1-15) lost to the #344 team, Binghamton, now 2-15... and they lost by 19 points. And Oakland being pummeled at UDM by 20 didn't help.
Before our win, and before the Lobo game went final, our NOLAN RPI had fallen from 89 to 94. Now, we are back up to 90. Maybe Murray State will help us a little tomorrow.
Ball State (7-6) has won its last 4 games, including wins over 11-4 EMU and 11-2 CMU.
UIC hands Detroit a win tonight.
This was my summary from the other thread of the game:
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So UIC was up 10+ the whole game before Detroit went on a run and tied it late. UIC hit a 3, got a stop and added a free throw with 40 sec left. UIC fouls Detroit and they only hit 1 free throw. Up 3, UIC just needs to wind the clock down (till about 5 sec left of the game). Jay Harris is dribbling so Detroit doesn't foul. Harris, for whatever reason passes out to a guard, whom passes it right back to Harris... but not really, because Chris Jenkins picked him off and, of course, instead of going for the 3 to tie, he dunks it with 3.7 left. So all UIC has to do is inbound it and get fouled, hit free throws, etc.
UIC runs the home run play and the inbounder Jay Cutlers it short, Whiticker adjusts and Jerod Williams lands right on him midair, and you guessed it, gets called for a foul. In the bonus, Williams hit both free throws and Detroit wins by 1.
Wow, that is a ridiculous sequence of events. I would be so pissed if that happened to us.
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I read the post and then I had to see it. I went and watch the last minute on replay. Ridiculous.
Oakland over Green Bay at half 40-35. Nice halftime ceremony honoring Travis Bader, as well. Good entertainment for HL fans.
Thank you Oakland!!!!!
Given that Oakland was coming off a 20-point drubbing by Detroit on the road, I think it's still too early to tell whether they're contenders or spoilers. I will say this. I would be surprised if anyone else in the league beats both GB and Valpo at home this year.
Hope UWGB players stocked up on diapers, tomorrow's going to be a long practice.
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Hope UWGB players stocked up on diapers, tomorrow's going to be a long practice.
Thats just plain mean. :lol:
[about the Detroit/UIC game that ended so badly for UIC--from the memes thread]
Quote from: agibson on January 15, 2015, 05:30:53 PMThought, "Whoah - can UIC win this?" At the time thinking, maybe it was CSU's ball, and they'd win on a buzzer beater. I had no idea...
UIC was playing Detroit.
Yes, a most foolish play. The problem is when you've already made a terrible play by giving up the ball with only seconds to go and up by three, you really don't want to give up the ball again by stupidly fouling your opponent WHEN YOU HAVE THE BALL!!!!
The home run play totally backfired because the inbounder threw it short and the play had been sniffed out so the ball was totally up for grabs. The UIC player committed the foul because he was too aggressive trying to jump for a ball that was totally a jump ball free for all. Terrible, terrible execution on UIC's part. If the Flames had allowed the ball to fall to the Titan player they could have stepped in front of him and guarded against a winning shot until the clock ran out. But nooooooooooo!! They had to commit a foul by flying through the air trying to catch the terrible inbounds pass. Awful, just awful!!
<a href="http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2276114/size/condensed/">
REPLAY OF DETROIT/UIC GAME 1/14/2015 ON ESPN 3</a>
Rewatched it and noticed that the UIC player trying to catch the home run inbounds pass backed into his defender (maybe some how trying to draw a foul) and initiated the contact.
Go to the 2:00:00 mark and you can see about the last 2:15 of the game.
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Hope UWGB players stocked up on diapers, tomorrow's going to be a long practice.
This went right over my head for a couple of seconds. When I got it I laughed out loud. :)
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Hope UWGB players stocked up on diapers, tomorrow's going to be a long practice.
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THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG @#!$ING PRACTICE!!!(http://news.uwgb.edu/files/2013/01/david-turner-250.jpg)
Coach, I have to study!(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac1394dbdcca6a36cbf486633b129cd813095ac3/r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/04/11/bilde-4_3.jpg)
There's the door, don't come back!!!(http://megasportsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Keifer-Sykes-UWGB-BKB-courtesy-GreenBayPhoenix.com_.jpg)
Oh crap!(http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/pics33/800/YE/YEISCEKCIQEZNNN.20150106182109.jpg)
Not yet, but I can feel one coming on.(http://www.uwgb.edu/campuscompass/assets/images/sports/lombardi.png)
Even I wasn't that tough or sadistic..................ha ha ha...........
<a href="http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2276151/size/condensed/">REPLAY OF GREEN BAY/OAKLAND GAME 1/15/2015</a>
Just watched that UIC/Detroit finish. The only way to describe that sequence: bumble-f word
The end of the UIC/Detroit game defines the term "basketball IQ" or more accurately the total lack thereof.
Quote from: wh on January 10, 2015, 04:16:40 PMThe best player on the court was Detroit freshman Paris Bass with 18 points in 21 minutes. Oakland had no one that could stop him from driving the hoop. He looks like a guy with a very bright future.
Speaking of Paris Bass, he looked really good against UIC at the end of the game. Without him there was no way that Detroit wins that game. Of course, without UIC totally handing the game to the Titans there is no way Detroit wins either.
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Valpo will have to watch out for Bass, despite his being only a freshman, when they meet Detroit on Wed, Feb.4th at the ARC.
Quote from: wh on January 15, 2015, 08:33:03 PMI will say this. I would be surprised if anyone else in the league beats both GB and Valpo at home this year.
If I haven't already mentioned in the last 5 days that we need to start scheduling OOC more like Oakland and less like us then let me grasp the occasion of this upset to state one more time that we should---"GET ERR DONE"!!! :thumbsup:
At least GB took notes from us and only let Felder shoot 10 FTs.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 16, 2015, 07:27:06 PMAt least GB took notes from us and only let Felder shoot 10 FTs.
"Only let!" Nobody on Valpo "let" Felder go to the FT line.
The refs "let" Felder get to the FT line 24 times. That is still mind boggling that Felder averages less than half that amount in any other game.
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Slight Correction to the commentary at the end of the WSU post-game wrap-up.
As of 8:15pm CT... of the teams playing TODAY...
KY 17-0
Nova 17-1
Virginia 17-0
Notre Dame 17-2
Maryland 17-2
Valparaiso 17-3
but...
Gonzaga... 18-1 ...
and Colorado State will get to 17-2 if they can beat a really down San Jose State team in a few hours.
On the NCAA stats board... through Saturday night...ranked by W/L %
1 Virginia 17 0 100.0
Kentucky 17 0 100.0
3 Gonzaga 18 1 94.7
4 Villanova 17 1 94.4
5 Maryland 17 2 89.5
Colorado St. 17 2 89.5
Notre Dame 17 2 89.5
8 Wichita St. 16 2 88.9
Arizona 16 2 88.9
Wisconsin 16 2 88.9
11 Dayton 15 2 88.2
Duke 15 2 88.2
UNI 15 2 88.2
Old Dominion 15 2 88.2
15 Valparaiso 17 3 85.0
16 Wyoming 16 3 84.2
17 VCU 15 3 83.3
Louisville 15 3 83.3
St. Mary's (CA) 15 3 83.3
West Virginia 15 3 83.3
21 TCU 14 3 82.4
Utah 14 3 82.4
Kansas 14 3 82.4
UC Davis 14 3 82.4
Stephen F. Austin 14 3 82.4
26 Iowa St. 13 3 81.3
27 Central Mich. 12 3 80.0
28 Murray St. 15 4 78.9
Green Bay 15 4 78.9
How about TOTAL Rebounds:
Rank Name GM W-L ORebs DRebs REB
1 BYU 21 15-6 249 561 810
2 Valparaiso 20 17-3 250 543 793
3 VMI 19 7-12 303 480 783
4 Stony Brook 19 12-7 270 482 752
5 North Carolina 17 13-4 281 468 749
6 Sam Houston St. 17 13-4 241 505 746
How about Rebound Margin per game:
Rank Name GM W-L REB RPG OPP REB OPP RPG REB MAR
1 Quinnipiac 16 8-8 721 45.1 511 31.9 13.1
2 Texas 17 13-4 730 42.9 522 30.7 12.2
3 Virginia 17 17-0 655 38.5 465 27.4 11.2
4 Baylor 17 13-4 693 40.8 524 30.8 9.9
5 North Carolina 17 13-4 749 44.1 581 34.2 9.9
6 St. Mary's (CA) 18 15-3 677 37.6 500 27.8 9.8
7 Kentucky 17 17-0 708 41.6 542 31.9 9.8
8 Sam Houston St. 17 13-4 746 43.9 585 34.4 9.5
9 Georgia Tech 17 9-8 664 39.1 506 29.8 9.3
10 Stony Brook 19 12-7 752 39.6 576 30.3 9.3
11 Gonzaga 19 18-1 729 38.4 558 29.4 9.0
12 Valparaiso 20 17-3 793 39.7 615 30.8 8.9
Sorta Surprised how far down the list we are on this one:
Rank Name GM W-L BLKS BKPG - by blocks per game
1 Kentucky 17 17-0 135 7.9
2 Texas 17 13-4 130 7.6
3 UNLV 18 10-8 132 7.3
4 Memphis 17 11-6 121 7.1
5 Washington 16 12-4 112 7.0
6 LSU 17 13-4 114 6.7
7 St. John's (NY) 16 12-4 107 6.7
8 Louisiana Tech 18 14-4 111 6.2
9 Chattanooga 19 12-7 117 6.2
10 Cincinnati 16 11-5 97 6.1
11 North Carolina St. 19 13-6 115 6.1
12 Louisville 18 15-3 108 6.0
TCU 17 14-3 102 6.0
14 Oregon 17 12-5 101 5.9
15 Quinnipiac 16 8-8 94 5.9
16 VMI 19 7-12 111 5.8
17 Georgetown 17 12-5 95 5.6
18 Harvard 14 10-4 78 5.6
19 Providence 19 14-5 103 5.4
20 Eastern Wash. 18 13-5 97 5.4
21 San Diego St. 18 14-4 96 5.3
22 Rhode Island 16 11-5 85 5.3
23 Iowa 18 13-5 95 5.3
Purdue 18 11-7 95 5.3
25 Ohio St. 19 14-5 100 5.3
26 Nevada 16 6-10 84 5.3
27 Utah 17 14-3 89 5.2
Eastern Mich. 17 12-5 89 5.2
29 Syracuse 18 13-5 94 5.2
30 N.C. Central 18 13-5 93 5.2
UAB 18 8-10 93 5.2
32 Georgia 16 11-5 82 5.1
UNC Asheville 16 8-8 82 5.1
34 Oklahoma 17 12-5 87 5.1
Winthrop 17 8-9 87 5.1
Sam Houston St. 17 13-4 87 5.1
37 Norfolk St. 20 11-9 102 5.1
38 Akron 17 12-5 86 5.1
39 Valparaiso 20 17-3 100 5.0
La.-Monroe 17 11-6 85 5.0
Oklahoma St. 17 12-5 85 5.0
South Carolina 16 10-6 80 5.0
McNeese St. 15 6-9 75 5.0
Total Blocks... for a PERSON;
Rank Name, Team Cl Ht Pos G BLKS
1 Robert Upshaw, Washington So. 7-0 C 16 72
2 Justin Tuoyo, Chattanooga So. 6-10 F 19 66
3 Jordan Mickey, LSU So. 6-8 F 16 63
4 Jordan Bell, Oregon Fr. 6-9 F 17 60
Vashil Fernandez, Valparaiso Sr. 6-10 F 20 60
OK... Blocks per game... for a PERSON
Rank Name, Team Cl Ht Pos G BLKS BKPG
1 Robert Upshaw, Washington So. 7-0 C 16 72 4.50
2 Jordan Mickey, LSU So. 6-8 F 16 63 3.94
3 Chris Obekpa, St. John's (NY) Jr. 6-10 C 16 58 3.63
4 Jordan Bell, Oregon Fr. 6-9 F 17 60 3.53
5 Justin Tuoyo, Chattanooga So. 6-10 F 19 66 3.47
6 Austin Nichols, Memphis So. 6-8 F 17 57 3.35
7 Michale Kyser, Louisiana Tech Sr. 6-10 F 18 58 3.22
8 AJ West, Nevada Jr. 6-9 F 15 48 3.20
9 Ousmane Drame, Quinnipiac Sr. 6-9 F 16 50 3.13
Kendall Gray, Delaware St. Sr. 6-10 C 16 50 3.13
11 Jaleel Roberts, UNC Asheville Sr. 7-0 C 15 46 3.07
12 Carson Desrosiers, Providence Sr. 7-0 C 19 58 3.05
13 Vashil Fernandez, Valparaiso Sr. 6-10 F 20 60 3.00
Three Point Field Goal Percentage:
Rank Name, Team Cl Ht Pos G 3FG 3FGA 3FG%
1 Joey Ptasinski, Lafayette Sr. 6-2 G 17 50 96 52.1
2 Quincy Taylor, Longwood Sr. 6-0 G 16 44 87 50.6
3 Corey Hawkins, UC Davis Sr. 6-3 G 16 47 94 50.0
4 Sterling Gibbs, Seton Hall Jr. 6-2 G 17 45 91 49.5
5 Ameen Tanksley, Hofstra Jr. 6-6 G 19 54 110 49.1
6 Will Sullivan, Miami (OH) Sr. 6-3 G 17 43 88 48.9
7 Tyler Harvey, Eastern Wash. Jr. 6-4 G 18 81 166 48.8
8 Trent Mackey, North Florida Jr. 6-3 G 20 52 108 48.1
9 Julius Brown, Toledo Sr. 5-10 G 17 44 93 47.3
10 Alec Peters, Valparaiso So. 6-9 F 20 52 111 46.8
Drat. Had I put those last two posts together... I'd be in the running for longest post to the forum.
Quote from: talksalot on January 18, 2015, 12:59:51 PMSorta Surprised how far down the list we are on this one:
Rank Name GM W-L BLKS BKPG - by blocks per game
1 Kentucky 17 17-0 135 7.9
2 Texas 17 13-4 130 7.6
3 UNLV 18 10-8 132 7.3
4 Memphis 17 11-6 121 7.1
5 Washington 16 12-4 112 7.0
6 LSU 17 13-4 114 6.7
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36 Sam Houston St. 17 13-4 87 5.1
37 Norfolk St. 20 11-9 102 5.1
38 Akron 17 12-5 86 5.1
39 Valparaiso 20 17-3 100 5.0
La.-Monroe 17 11-6 85 5.0
Oklahoma St. 17 12-5 85 5.0
South Carolina 16 10-6 80 5.0
McNeese St. 15 6-9 75 5.0
So you can't believe that teams that are exceptional at blocking
are blocking Valpo from being at the top of the team blocking list?
hmmmmmmm
Looks like Detroit beat a pretty good Northeastern team in an (unusual?) day-time MLK Day game.
Detroit sealed the deal in overtime, scoring _21_ in overtime, to Northeastern's 9. (I had to check that it was just one overtime period! Just five minutes.). After both teams scored just 26 in the first _half_.
Doesn't particularly look like Northeastern was fouling, just straight up points.
81-69 at the end.
Milwaukee really took it to Wright State this evening. WSU only scored 15 points in the first half and ended up falling to the Panthers 41 - 67 in a 26 point blow-out. Didn't see that one coming, at least by that margin.
Quote from: FWalum on January 20, 2015, 10:32:44 PMMilwaukee really took it to Wright State this evening. WSU only scored 15 points in the first half and ended up falling to the Panthers 41 - 67 in a 26 point blow-out. Didn't see that one coming, at least by that margin.
You can look at this two ways. We know that WSU was hurt by losing Yoho to injury and that they were behind both CSU and Valpo when the Raiders lost to those teams at home. I also think that Milwaukee must be stepping up this season despite not being able to play in the HL tournament or earning a spot in the NCAA tournament as the Panthers did last year as an HL 5th seed. I have a feeling it's a bit of both WSU falling below expectations and Milwaukee exceeding expectations again.
The box score shows that Griffin only played 2 minutes. He played 33 against us. I don't know if he got hurt or was sick, but that had to have a big impact, especially just after losing Yoho.
Quote from: wh on January 21, 2015, 08:53:35 AM
The box score shows that Griffin only played 2 minutes. He played 33 against us. I don't know if he got hurt or was sick, but that had to have a big impact, especially just after losing Yoho.
He got hurt at the start of the game. He hit his head hard, and I believe he already has a history of concussions.
UWGB playing lowly UIC and our road victory, along with a little magic sauce from opponents' opponents' and the like, seems to have finally pushed us past Green Bay in RPI.
At the moment Warren Nolan has us edging them out, taking 83rd place to their 84th.
At the moment we are 69th in the Sagarin's and GB is 56th. A win could put us in the top 50 for the first time in a LONG time!
If we beat GB we have an opportunity to be ranked some point before the season is over. After GB we have Milwaukee at home and UIC in Chicago. Two games we should easily win. If everything goes according to plan we could possibly be 21-3. If we don't win in GB then the only we're ranked if we make a run in the tourney... I certainly wouldn't mind that!
Watched the first half of the Missouri Texas A&M game last night and was very happy with Missouri's 7 point hafltime lead. Checking the scores this morning was dissapointed to see that they ended up losing by 12. That game continues to haunt us.
Right now we are 67th in KenPom. Green Bay is 52nd. We're a 5 point dog with a 29% chance of winning the game. It continues to be one of 2 games that we are underdogs in (@CSU we're a 1 point dog with 48% chance to win). With a win we would definitely overtake Green Bay, probably push that CSU game to a W with 51-52% chance to win.
The highest we've been since they've kept track of daily rank was 65th right before the NCAA game in 2013. We started that season ranked 131 and once conference season started we hovered between 69 and 77. Last year our best ranking was 113th on December 22nd.
For those wondering @Detroit ranks as a tougher game than the Green Bay @ home game (57% vs 60% chances to win.)
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 22, 2015, 09:47:47 AMRight now we are 67th in KenPom. Green Bay is 52nd. We're a 5 point dog with a 29% chance of winning the game. It continues to be one of 2 games that we are underdogs in (@CSU we're a 1 point dog with 48% chance to win). With a win we would definitely overtake Green Bay, probably push that CSU game to a W with 51-52% chance to win.
Massey has us at 64, with GB at 57, with us as a 6 point dog and also a 29% chance of winning. RT Power has us at 59, GB at 46, with us as a 9 point dog. Massey also has us as a 1 point dog at CSU, but just under 50% chance of winning. RT Power has us as a favorite the rest of the season. RT Power has GB losing three more games. I'm looking at RT Power more these days, hoping they are correct with the season projections.
Looking at tonights HL games, who should I be rooting for and who should I hope to lay an egg? Do we need Oakland to beat CSU?
We don't need them to, it would be nice though. Valpo controls their own destiny (along with a few others at this point) which is all you can ask for.
always, ALWAYS root for the team behind you against the one ahead of you.
...unless you just really don't like oakland.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 26, 2015, 02:20:47 PMalways, ALWAYS root for the team behind you against the one ahead of you. ...unless you just really don't like oakland.
Well, I don't like Oakland....I can put that aside, go CSU for tonight.
I'm really rooting for Oakland to go 8-8 this year, winning all their home games and losing all their road games. I'm not sure why but I think that would be the pinnacle of hilarity to me, especially since Kampe claims his tough OOC road schedule prepares the team for the HL schedule.
Oakland and CSU trading leads with thirty seconds to play. It sure would be nice if Oakland could play world-beaters at home. Assuming they roll over at the ARC, of course.
CSU turnover - Felder to the line. Should probably do it.
59-46. Final.
Was Lebron James at the _Oakland_ game? Huh? Didn't follow the commentators comment at the buzzer...
Don't look now, but Oakland has now beaten the three best teams in the league---at home. Nice win for them.
When Oakland wins a road game against a team not named YSU or UIC we can acknowledge them.
so... who's in the 19-win club this year? Through games yesterday... but we were the only 18-game-winner playing tonight. Colorado State plays tomorrow (BTW, did you see that one of their 2 losses was to UNM? Notre Dame, Wichita State, Northern Iowa and Arizona all play on Wednesday.
1 Virginia 19 0 100.0
Kentucky 19 0 100.0
3 Gonzaga 20 1 95.2
4 Notre Dame 19 2 90.5
5 Wichita St. 18 2 90.0
Villanova 18 2 90.0
Colorado St. 18 2 90.0
Arizona 18 2 90.0
UNI 18 2 90.0
Wisconsin 18 2 90.0
11 Duke 17 2 89.5
12 Maryland 18 3 85.7
13 Wyoming 17 3 85.0
14 Louisville 16 3 84.2
Utah 16 3 84.2
VCU 16 3 84.2
Kansas 16 3 84.2
West Virginia 16 3 84.2
Dayton 16 3 84.2
Stephen F. Austin 16 3 84.2
21 Central Mich. 14 3 82.4
22 Valparaiso 18 4 81.8 make that 19-4... 82.61% and we run over CMU into 21st place
23 Green Bay 17 4 81.0
Murray St. 17 4 81.0
Quote from: talksalot on January 26, 2015, 10:12:06 PM21 Central Mich. 14 3 82.4
22 Valparaiso 18 4 81.8 make that 19-4... 82.61% and we run over CMU into 21st place
Thinking back to the two game event we played in Mt Pleasant, MI at CMU in late November, if we had played the Chippewas early in the season and beat them on their own floor we would have gotten a huge boost to the season. I still don't understand why that tournament wasn't a three day event, like the one in Nashville, so that Valpo and CMU could have played also.
I saw 1/2 of the Maine vs CMU game and was thinking that if Valpo had played the Chippewas if really would have been an evenly matched game.
Quote from: HC on January 26, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
When Oakland wins a road game against a team not named YSU or UIC we can acknowledge them.
What HL road game do we have that is impressive? We can't hang our hats on almost beating Green Bay at their place.
OK... let's look ahead... and back at the same time. The Green Bay game was #22 on the season for us... and we are now 14-15 over the past 29 years in game #22. Game #23 was the Jovial Time last night... we are now 19-10 in game #23 for the past 29 seasons.
so... looking ahead over the next 8 games... back over the previous 28 seasons, we did not play that many games in all seasons)
#24 UIC - T 15-13
#25 Detroit - H 15-13
#26 Oakland - H 21-7
#27 Green Bay - H 9-19 (Still no start time for this game yet from Bristol)
#28 Milwaukee - T 19-7
#29 Wright State - H 14-6
#30 Detroit - T 14-4
#31 Cleveland State - T 10-8
Game #27 over the past 20 years... we are 5-3 at home.
13-14 77-62 Win at Milwaukee
12-13 74-84 Loss at home to Detroit
11-12 53-71 Loss at Youngstown
10-11 76-79 Loss at Milwaukee
09-10 71-80 Loss at Cleveland State
08-09 61-76 Loss at Green Bay
07-08 61-68 Loss at Loyola
06-07 80-56 Win at home over Western Illinois (Homer's 300th win at Vu)
05-06 78-87 Loss at ORU
04-05 69-72 Loss at Butler (Bracketbuster Game)
03-04 74-66 Win at home over Chicago State (Clinched #1 Seed in MidCon Tournament)
02-03 75-89 Loss at ORU
01-02 74-77 Loss at ORU
00-01 56-64 Loss at Home to IUPUI
99-00 65-57 Win at home over Youngstown
98-99 75-58 Win at IUPUI
97-98 75-65 Win at home over UMKC
96-97 69-72 Loss at home in Overtime to Troy State
95-96 96-100 Loss at Northeastern Illinois
94-95 77-52 Win at home over Youngstown in MidCon Semi Finals
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2015, 07:07:06 AM
Quote from: HC on January 26, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
When Oakland wins a road game against a team not named YSU or UIC we can acknowledge them.
What HL road game do we have that is impressive? We can't hang our hats on almost beating Green Bay at their place.
Wright State, we kind of took it to them in their own building. Also Oakland hasn't won a road game yet.
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 27, 2015, 08:34:32 AMQuote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2015, 07:07:06 AMQuote from: HC on January 26, 2015, 09:58:46 PMWhen Oakland wins a road game against a team not named YSU or UIC we can acknowledge them.
What HL road game do we have that is impressive? We can't hang our hats on almost beating Green Bay at their place.
Wright State, we kind of took it to them in their own building. Also Oakland hasn't won a road game yet.
It's starting to look like beating WSU isn't a big deal. WSU is not the team it was last year or the team we thought they would be this year.
I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. We have some good out of conference wins and should be proud of out we have accomplished. However, we haven't done anything yet. We have won the games we were favored in (except Oakland) and we lost the games we were dogs in. I really like this team and think they are special. But we need not to get ahead of ourselves. We win the games we are suppose to, like we have, and then beat a green bay and then CSU away and I'll get ahead of myself (as well as we would must likely win the HL if that happens).
Going 19-4 to start a season is nothing to laugh at. We have beaten some good teams and came damn near close to knocking GB off at home. Valpo and GB are by far above the rest of the league, CSU, Oakland, and Detroit are all dark-horses at a possible upset.
We absolutely trounce the lower tier HL teams, past-year teams have let some weaker teams linger around in games and make them closer than they should be. This team is very good, it is no fluke that we are 19-4. We easily could be 21-2 since our two league losses easily could've been W's, one went to OT and the other we lost by a point, and both were road games in very tough venues to play in.
My guess on the final 4 will be:
Valpo vs Oakland (thriller)
GB vs CSU (GB pulls away late)
Title will be:
Valpo over GB (laugher)
Quote from: agibson on January 26, 2015, 07:50:38 PMWas Lebron James at the _Oakland_ game? Huh? Didn't follow the commentators comment at the buzzer...
That's what the announcer said... I guess it is implied that Lebron roots for anything and all things Cleveland.
Oakland is for real, at least at home. I just hope that CSU gets mad and beats GB this weekend!
LeBron is lifelong best friends with an Oakland assistant coach Brandon Weems. He was LeBron's point guard in high school and James calls him his little brother in his book. The Cavs play the at the Pistons tonight so he was in town and came to the Oakland game. Last year he came in worked out in the Orena which caused quite a stir on campus. Nothing to do with Cleveland State
Last night, Oakland shoots 28 free throws while Cleveland State only shoots 7. CSU actually made 6 more baskets than Oakland! CSU attempted only 14 three pointers, so it does not appear that they were chucking the ball from the outside all night. I still contend that this was the main reason for the free throw disparity in our game against them. I think we shot something like 23 three pointers in that game?
Also. Cleveland state was without 2 starters for this game. At full strength, or a slightly lower free throw disparity, and I think CSU would have won this game.
I believe that Oakland lose 4 more games this year: @Valpo, @GreenBay @Wright State and at home to Detroit. 12-6 is probably a 4th place finish? They are a much better team than people predicted. Felder is the real deal and only a sophomore and Kampe is an underrated coach on this board. Add in a highly rated big man for next year, a few talented youngsters like Hayes, and a couple of solid transfers and I would be shocked if it is not Oakland and Valpo at the top of the standings for the next couple years.
In six league games this year Oakland has shot 134 free throws and our opponents have shot 72. So either we don't guard anyone so we are not close enough to foul, or the refs love us, or maybe we just get the ball to the rim more then our opponents. Also in those 6 league games our opponents are shooting .266 from the 3. The most interesting stat in those 6 games is we have made 131 field goals while our opponents have made 155, yet we are 4-2. Felder has shot 62 free throws and our opponents have shot 72. Guess Valpo is not the only one to foul him.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2015, 10:20:42 AMIt's starting to look like beating WSU isn't a big deal. WSU is not the team it was last year or the team we thought they would be this year.
I wouldn't dismiss Wright State so quickly. When they lost to Milwaukee the Raiders were without Yoho and Karena, the Kiwi, (Karena played 2 minutes before getting hurt) for this game. Against Valpo Yoho was out. Last night with both Yoho and Karena the Raiders beat Detroit in Callahan Hall, 64-53. That was their second win over Detroit. Next Monday, Groundhog Day, WSU takes on Green Bay at the Nutter Center. That could be a game that the Phoenix are unprepared for because they will have played CSU in Cleveland on the 31st, this coming Saturday.
I think Valpo will knock off WSU at the ARC but it won't be an easy game for the Crusaders. The Raiders could very well be the team that knocks off UWGB in Dayton and sends Valpo into first place.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 27, 2015, 12:22:17 PMLast night, Oakland shoots 28 free throws while Cleveland State only shoots 7. CSU actually made 6 more baskets than Oakland! CSU attempted only 14 three pointers, so it does not appear that they were chucking the ball from the outside all night. I still contend that this was the main reason for the free throw disparity in our game against them. I think we shot something like 23 three pointers in that game?
The 3-point shooting could not be the reason for the disparity in free throws during the Oakland game. Valpo and Oakland attempted nearly the same number of 3-point shots. In fact, in the second half the 3-point stats were identical: 4-9. Yet, the free throws attempted during that period were 19-4 in favor of Oakland. Even if you remove Felder's 8 attempts during that time frame, the disparity would be 11-4. (This does not count the free throws in overtime, some of which were due to intentional or technical fouls.) Had the fouls been called more fairly in the second half, Valpo would have won and there would not have been an overtime.
Or maybe, just maybe Valpo should not have fouled so much. Naaaaaaaa
Quote from: Grizz on January 27, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
Or maybe, just maybe Valpo should not have fouled so much. Naaaaaaaa
Yeah, you'd actually have to not watch that game to come to that conclusion.
Quote from: talksalot on January 26, 2015, 10:12:06 PM21 Central Mich. 14 3 82.4
22 Valparaiso 18 4 81.8 make that 19-4... 82.61% and we run over CMU into 21st place
BTW, the Chippewas are back in action tonight @ Kent State... so if they win, they would sneak past us back into 21st place....
Today, Valpo is alone at #21 in W/L% (82.6)
We could move up tonight...
IF KState beast West Virginia in Manhattan
IF George Washington beats VCU at the home of the Havoc
IF Utah State beats Wyoming in Logan UT tonight.
Colorado State is the only other team with a better% that is playing tonight, but they are 18-2 and will still be ahead of us, even if they lose at Boise State
CMU Lost
WVa won
VCU won
Utah State did beat Wyoming
Boise State did beat Colorado State...
we moved up one spot...Thanks aggies!
Quote from: Grizz on January 27, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
Or maybe, just maybe Valpo should not have fouled so much. Naaaaaaaa
Did you really listen to that game on the radio? You have no freaking clue!
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What even is a Golden Grizzly? Last time I checked there is no such thing as a golden grizzly, there are grizzly bears but none are located or have ever been located in Michigan. I know Oakland were the Pioneers at one point, and that's much better than some animal made up by a four year old. Perhaps its a cross-breed between a golden retriever and a grizzly bear? Is it as bad as being a Quaker? No, but you could be a bit more original than a Golden Grizzly.
At least Valpo kinda sorta has ties to Crusaders. Valpo were originally the Uhlans, which we know is a German knight, and since Valpo has a very strong German heritage the name made sense. Unfortunately due to WWII being a Uehlan wasn't so popular stateside, thus we have the Crusader.
At least all the other HL schools mascots/nicknames aren't simply made up.
CSU - Vikings "Any of the Scandinavian pirates who plundered the coasts of Europe from the 8th to 10th centuries."
Detroit - Titans "any of the sons of Uranus and Gaea, including Coeus, Crius, Cronus, Hyperion, Iapetus, and Oceanus."
Green Bay - Phoenix "a mythical bird of great beauty fabled to live 500 or 600 years in the Arabian wilderness, to burn itself on a funeral pyre, and to rise from its ashes in the freshness of youth and live through another cycle of years: often an emblem of immortality or of reborn idealism or hope."
Milwaukee - Panthers "the cougar or puma, Felis concolor."
Oakland - Golden Grizzly "You are seeing web results for golden grizzly because there's not a match on Dictionary.com."
UIC - Flames "burning gas or vapor, as from wood or coal, that is undergoing combustion; a portion of ignited gas or vapor."
Valpo - Crusaders "(often initial capital letter) any of the military expeditions undertaken by the Christians of Europe in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Muslims."
Wright State - Raiders "a person or thing that raids."
YSU - Penguins "any of several flightless, aquatic birds of the family Spheniscidae, of the Southern Hemisphere, having webbed feet and wings reduced to flippers."
--Dictionary.com
Not even the dictionary knows what a Golden Grizzly is... Come-on Oakland... Guess thats what you get from a state school.
I think it is nice to have some outside opinions from other schools and teams. Let's not run everyone off as trolls. In some cases I think they are just mirroring our negative attitudes toward them, attitudes I think we ought to try and avoid unless truly deserved.
Is it like a "golden gopher"? Perhaps referencing a particular season of the year when the grizzles fur takes on a golden hue.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 28, 2015, 11:21:47 AMNot even the dictionary knows what a Golden Grizzly is... Come-on Oakland... Guess thats what you get from a state school.
Grizzly fur is usually medium to dark brown, but may sometimes be silver tipped, blonde or golden as seen in this picture.
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Quote from: FWalum on January 28, 2015, 03:46:27 PM
I think it is nice to have some outside opinions from other schools and teams. Let's not run everyone off as trolls. In some cases I think they are just mirroring our negative attitudes toward them, attitudes I think we ought to try and avoid unless truly deserved.
There's a difference between voicing a differing opinion and calling members hillbillies because most of us lived in NW Indiana for a short period of time. "Mirroring negative attitudes" to get a rise out of people is literally trolling.
In the last year or so, probaby longer, as this board has had new visitors and members appearing, we've seen a lot of bickering and attacks towards those that many on this board would have welcomed in. It wasn't so much because they were trolling, but because they saw that we had a good community of fans and former alums here that wanted to have good coversation about Valpo sports, campus community, and the Horizon League in general. I don't care who started things on this path where we stopped being welcoming, and became more defensive about fans talking about programs, but it has definitely changed this community into something it never should have been. Sure, Grizz may be adding fuel to the fire, but we aren't exactly helping when we continue to make adding Oakland to the league as a bad thing because of ill-begotten decision making about their scheduling or players on their roster. Consider this, Valpo used to schedule the same way, and it did help our teams going to Mid-Con play because we knew we had teams that needed higher competition to get ready for conference play and potential postseason games. Oakland is doing exactly the same thing we did, potentially at a more damaging pace, but when they have basketball as their only revenue sport to help the non-revenue sports, they just have to do what they can in this murderous world of athletics scheduling to afford the road trips and costs to keep the programs going.
I don't care who Oakland schedules, just like I don't care who the other 7 HL schools schedule. We just need to win games, get to the NCAA tournament, and do it as fans that want our team to win, not spend so much time criticizing other schools for doing the same thing we did with scheduling. Would it be nice to have a scheduling rule ala the MVC? Sure, it would be nice. Will it happen? I don't see it happening. We don't have control over it. What I do know is coaches are going to schedule either to the strengths and experience of the roster, or they'll schedule whom they can because of what they can contract. No conference scheduling rule is going to change that in this era of college basketball scheduling. Valpo will still have schools refuse to play them, not because we are better or being we may help their RPI, but because we might not be the best matchup for them or the logistics of playing the game aren't worth the time or money to contract them.
Quote from: valporun on January 28, 2015, 05:15:04 PMIn the last year or so, probaby longer, as this board has had new visitors and members appearing, we've seen a lot of bickering and attacks towards those that many on this board would have welcomed in. It wasn't so much because they were trolling, but because they saw that we had a good community of fans and former alums here that wanted to have good conversation about Valpo sports, campus community, and the Horizon League in general. I don't care who started things on this path where we stopped being welcoming, and became more defensive about fans talking about programs, but it has definitely changed this community into something it never should have been. Sure, Grizz may be adding fuel to the fire, but we aren't exactly helping when we continue to make adding Oakland to the league as a bad thing because of ill-begotten decision making about their scheduling or players on their roster.
This truly has been a great community for all to discuss and support the university, it's sports teams and competitors. Lets continue to keep it that way. :)
Don't look now but the golden Grizzlies are coming. They are nipping on our heels after a win against wsu making our return game that more important. The game will have even more weight, not because they beat us last time but because of standings.
Quote from: a3uge on January 28, 2015, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: FWalum on January 28, 2015, 03:46:27 PM
I think it is nice to have some outside opinions from other schools and teams. Let's not run everyone off as trolls. In some cases I think they are just mirroring our negative attitudes toward them, attitudes I think we ought to try and avoid unless truly deserved.
There's a difference between voicing a differing opinion and calling members hillbillies because most of us lived in NW Indiana for a short period of time. "Mirroring negative attitudes" to get a rise out of people is literally trolling.
Totally agree. Grizz goes out of bounds when he calls Valpo Mayberry-a hillbilly town. Although, I also think we shouldn't lump the Oakland County area where Oakland U is located to the city of Detroit where the bad neighborhoods are located. OTOH, UDM is very much in the inner city of Detroit. Oakland U very much north of Eight Mile Rd. UDM south of Eight Mile Rd.
8 Mile Road has carried major cultural significance; since the mid-20th century, as the city demographics have changed, it has served as a physical and cultural dividing line between the wealthier, predominantly white northern suburbs of Detroit and the poorer, increasingly black city. The racial patterns have changed, as more middle-class African Americans have also moved north of 8 Mile, but the socioeconomic divide between the city and suburbs remains.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-102_%28Michigan_highway%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-102_%28Michigan_highway%29)
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 28, 2015, 08:27:58 PM
Don't look now but the golden Grizzlies are coming. They are nipping on our heels after a win against wsu making our return game that more important. The game will have even more weight, not because they beat us last time but because of standings.
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Quote from: bbtds on January 28, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: a3uge on January 28, 2015, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: FWalum on January 28, 2015, 03:46:27 PM
I think it is nice to have some outside opinions from other schools and teams. Let's not run everyone off as trolls. In some cases I think they are just mirroring our negative attitudes toward them, attitudes I think we ought to try and avoid unless truly deserved.
There's a difference between voicing a differing opinion and calling members hillbillies because most of us lived in NW Indiana for a short period of time. "Mirroring negative attitudes" to get a rise out of people is literally trolling.
Totally agree. Grizz goes out of bounds when he calls Valpo Mayberry-a hillbilly town. Although, I also think we shouldn't lump the Oakland County area where Oakland U is located to the city of Detroit where the bad neighborhoods are located. OTOH, UDM is very much in the inner city of Detroit. Oakland U very much north of Eight Mile Rd. UDM south of Eight Mile Rd.
8 Mile Road has carried major cultural significance; since the mid-20th century, as the city demographics have changed, it has served as a physical and cultural dividing line between the wealthier, predominantly white northern suburbs of Detroit and the poorer, increasingly black city. The racial patterns have changed, as more middle-class African Americans have also moved north of 8 Mile, but the socioeconomic divide between the city and suburbs remains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-102_%28Michigan_highway%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-102_%28Michigan_highway%29)
Good time to again point out the cultural divide between VU and northwest Indiana that makes drawing area basketball fans to the ARC more difficult than it should be. Note that many of you are upset and insulted by the hillbilly comment while a true lifelong Mayberry type like myself finds this entire exchange to be thoroughly amusing. Some of you folks just need to relax and maybe broaden your perspective. Nothing more limiting in life than taking yourself too seriously.
Oakland has played 5 home games already, and 2 away games. We will find out who they really are in this 4 game road swing coming up, when they will lose to Valpo...because Petros sucks :)
Yeah, but the home games were Green Bay, Csu, wsu and valpo.
There regulation wins were both by 3 points and the other two went to OT. They could just have easily lost all 4 games. Can't argue too much though, since a win is a win.
Right now, Oakland has wins against GB, Valpo, and CSU - the top three teams of the HL. Who else can make that claim? Of course, the real measure comes in March...
Have to give Oakland some props. Closing out tight games really adds to a teams experience level and gives confidence in future similar situations.
Giving Oakland props, but it would be another Milwaukee situation if they actually won the league - their ceiling would be a 15 seed. The best case for the league would be Valpo or Green Bay to win the league. Better seed = higher tourney win probability = more $$$ for everyone
Joe Looneybird is saying that Green Bay would be a 12 seed in the Midwest bracket, playing Baylor in Seattle. That might just be to fill up the bracket, not a matter of giving them a good seed based on RPI, record, or best chance of winning, considering he also had Kentucky, Wisconsin, Wichita St., and Notre Dame in that bracket.
(Getting ahead of myself) If we are a 12 or 11 seed and Baylor is a 5 or 6 seed, the committee would have a really hard time not putting Valpo and Baylor against each other. Bryce vs. Scott would be the talk of the entire first weekend.
As others have noted Oakland deserves credit for holding serve at home against the league's best teams. They have injected themselves into the league championship discussion, and deservedly so. Going forward every contender has their own unique set of challenges to overcome, and Oakland is no different. In their case, they have to play all the other serious contenders on the road. Secondly, their 3 best players have played incredibly heavy minutes all season long, and even heavier in league play. Currently, Williams, Felder and Petros are 1, 2 and 3 in minutes played at an incredible 40 min. average. If any one of the 3 hits the wall, close wins in the 1st half at home could easily turn into close losses on the road in the 2nd half. Secondly, if 1 of those 3 would happen to suffer an injury to the extent of KC's, they could take an immediate nosedive. So far luck has been on their side in that regard. However it turns out Kampe's unorthodox approach to scheduling and allocation of player minutes will continue to provide fodder for lively discussion long into the future.
I think the extremely poor season for WSU is another talking point. Were not some saying that they were one of the pre-season HL favorites? As I recall they were at least predicted to be one of the "contending" teams and expected to finish near the top of the standings.
Actually, expectations were pretty low for this year. They were picked 5th in the HL preseason poll. They're currently tied for 6th. If not for recent injuries to 2 key players, they very likely would sitting in the 5th chair.
Wright State was hit hard by graduation, but was still picked fifth in the conference. The Raiders lost their top four scorers from a year ago and rank last in the Horizon League in both percentage of points returning (34.9%) and total minutes played last season (2,820). The Raiders are counting on senior Reggie Arceneux (League's top returning three-point shooter at 46.5%), junior Chrishawn Hopkins and sophomore TJ Yoho to replace the scoring lost.
Quote from: wh on January 29, 2015, 10:22:49 PM
Actually, expectations were pretty low for this year. They were picked 5th in the HL preseason poll. They're currently tied for 6th. If not for recent injuries to 2 key players, they very likely would sitting in the 5th chair.
Sorry to see today's announcement that Wright State's Kendall Griffin has to end his college career due to concussion issues.
Quote from: valpopal on January 30, 2015, 01:12:34 PMSorry to see today's announcement that Wright State's Kendall Griffin has to end his college career due to concussion issues.
You can never tell when life is going to throw you a curve ball. I hope and pray that the young man has suffered no permanent damage.
Good player. Hope his health improves.
Quote from: wh on January 29, 2015, 10:22:49 PM
Actually, expectations were pretty low for this year. They were picked 5th in the HL preseason poll. They're currently tied for 6th. If not for recent injuries to 2 key players, they very likely would sitting in the 5th chair.
Wright State was hit hard by graduation, but was still picked fifth in the conference. The Raiders lost their top four scorers from a year ago and rank last in the Horizon League in both percentage of points returning (34.9%) and total minutes played last season (2,820). The Raiders are counting on senior Reggie Arceneux (League's top returning three-point shooter at 46.5%), junior Chrishawn Hopkins and sophomore TJ Yoho to replace the scoring lost.
Hopkins is a 5th year senior and Yoho is a junior. Whoever wrote the HL article I pulled this quote from had it wrong.
Remember when Reggie Arceneux was a freshman he was touted as one of the up and coming prospects as I remember. I think he had a relatively good frosh year but never continued to improve as expected. He still is a better than average player.
Alright, going to watch CSU and Green Bay. We want CSU to win in 8 over times.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
Alright, going to watch CSU and Green Bay. We want CSU to win in 8 over times.
CSU up 10 with 8 minutes left!
Quote from: covufan on January 31, 2015, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
Alright, going to watch CSU and Green Bay. We want CSU to win in 8 over times.
CSU up 10 with 8 minutes left!
CSU up 11 with 2:25 left!
Quote from: covufan on January 31, 2015, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: covufan on January 31, 2015, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 31, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
Alright, going to watch CSU and Green Bay. We want CSU to win in 8 over times.
CSU up 10 with 8 minutes left!
CSU up 11 with 2:25 left!
CSU wins 76-62. We are now in control of our own destiny.
Too bad that we couldn't hold on to a 7 point lead with 3:54 left at Oakland, and missed those 2 chances to win at GB. We would be 22-2 (9-0) and probably ranked #25.
I'm watching Oakland at YSU and there are probably 20 people in the stands. I know Oakland is good, but YSU looks horrible.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 01, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
I'm watching Oakland at YSU and there are probably 20 people in the stands. I know Oakland is good, but YSU looks horrible.
I know it's not a huge win since YSU hasn't done that well this year but it is the Golden Grizzlies first win on the road. Any road win is a good win. When Oakland plays at the ARC and at the Resch Center in Green Bay is when they will really be tested. Giving up 80 points to the Penguins means you don't play defense well. Probably one reason they don't foul a lot on the road.
Since when does Oakland score in the 90's, or even in the 80's, in regulation?
Has there been a change of style?
Quote from: agibson on February 06, 2015, 09:45:33 AM
Since when does Oakland score in the 90's, or even in the 80's, in regulation?
Has there been a change of style?
They can't give it to Bader to chuck up a bunch of missed threes? They shoot a much higher percentage? They don't foul on defense so that gives them more shot opportunities?
IPFW is finally starting to play well after losing 5 of their first 6 conference games. This after being picked to win the Summit. Took Steve Forbes a while to get back to true form after the ankle injury that occurred right before our game with them. They have now won 4 in a row including wins over the top 2 teams in the conference #120 South Dakota State (Last night 84-74) and #160 North Dakota State. They could conceivably win out with the way they are now playing. Their toughest remaining game is away at North Dakota State. The other teams in the Summit will probably not want to meet them in their tournament.
I know Detroit is young but there is too much talent on that team to lose to UIC at home by 10. ???
Juwon Howard is having to try too hard to keep the Titans in games. He's not the greatest individual player.
Quote from: valporun on February 08, 2015, 04:20:29 PM
Juwon Howard is having to try too hard to keep the Titans in games. He's not the greatest individual player.
Lazy defensively and has put on some lb's. However, the guy can find the hole.
Here's the state of the Horizon right now with RPI/BPI/KPOM/BracketMatrix:
(http://i.imgur.com/VplToQW.png)
Still working on incorporating Massey rankings
So if we tie with GB the tiebreaker is RPI? Do we pass them RPI wise with a win Friday?
Quote from: vu72 on February 09, 2015, 09:47:03 AM
So if we tie with GB the tiebreaker is RPI? Do we pass them RPI wise with a win Friday?
There's a lot that would have to happen for the tie breaker with just GB and us to be RPI.
1. A win Friday night is necessary. That would tie our H2H record at 1-1.
2. Green Bay would have to win out. This means their H2H record vs. CSU and Oakland would be at 1-1 as well.
3. CSU would have to lose Detroit, Milwaukee or UIC so they finish with 4 losses. Oakland would already have 4 from losing to Green Bay.
4. We have to win the Milwaukee, Wright St. and Detroit, while losing to CSU.
Then the standings would be
t-1. Green Bay (13-3)
t-1. Valpo (13-3)
t-3. Oakland (12-4)
t-3. Cleveland St. (12-4)
Tie breakers would be:
1. Record (tied)
2. H2H Record (tied)
3. Record vs. Next highest teams (Oakland, 1-1 for both; CSU, 1-1 for both; rest of league, 2-0 for both)
4. RPI
Our SoS is so abmissmal that Green Bay almost undoubtedly has the better RPI in any situation.
What could* help us:
1. Missouri wins out. This would definitely help our Sagarin and probably help us out in most RPI formulas, though the one the HL uses isn't published. This would include wins at Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Georgia and a win vs. Florida, all top 50 teams.
2. New Mexico wins out. See above. This would include wins at Colorado St. and Boise St. and vs. San Diego St, all top 100 teams.
3. If Murray St. loses our best W looks a lot worse. We need them to win out regardless.
4. Georgia St. loses out. This would be devastating for Green Bay's SoS as they are currently the second best W and second best L on their schedule. They play sub-150 teams for the rest of the season so that would tank their RPI.
5. Miami tanks it? This might help, but they already beat Duke. This is Green Bay's best W. Their schedule is tough but nothing about it says that if they lose out it's devastating.
I don't think Wisconsin doing anything would affect Green Bay's SoS. They are locked as a top-50 team. FGCU has a pretty decent impact on their RPI right now but they can't really move up or down a ton. EKU is in the same boat for us. Funnily enough the #1 team effecting them is us. So if we tank their RPI will drop, but ours would drop more.
TL;DR version: In order to host we need to have a game in hand against GB or beat them on another tiebreaker that comes before RPI.
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 11:35:47 PMStill working on incorporating Massey rankings
And AP/ESPN polls!
Not sure how automated you are, but Warren Nolan's compilation could save counting
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/Valparaiso (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/Valparaiso)
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi)
Or, I suppose, you could stick to the top 25...
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 09, 2015, 10:41:58 AM1. Missouri wins out. This would definitely help our Sagarin and probably help us out in most RPI formulas, though the one the HL uses isn't published.
I hope there's no dispute about the _formula_ used for RPI? One does sometimes see difference among various sources, but I figure it comes down to:
1)How many games they're including (how up to date their DB, etc.)
2)Coding errors in home vs. away vs. neutral games
But, it is interesting that the Horizon points to one source, rather than the formula. Basically, I guess, deferring the appeals process to appealing to that _source_ if they flub the calculation.
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2015, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 09, 2015, 10:41:58 AM1. Missouri wins out. This would definitely help our Sagarin and probably help us out in most RPI formulas, though the one the HL uses isn't published.
I hope there's no dispute about the _formula_ used for RPI? One does sometimes see difference among various sources, but I figure it comes down to:
1)How many games they're including (how up to date their DB, etc.)
2)Coding errors in home vs. away vs. neutral games
But, it is interesting that the Horizon points to one source, rather than the formula. Basically, I guess, deferring the appeals process to appealing to that _source_ if they flub the calculation.
They all use different ones.
RealTime RPI (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html)- 87
RPI forecast (http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html)-81
Warren Nolan (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi)-81
College Basketball News (used for tie breakers) (http://rpiratings.com/mensrpi.php)-81
You can see they all end up relatively the same, but there's difference.
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2015, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 11:35:47 PMStill working on incorporating Massey rankings
And AP/ESPN polls!
Not sure how automated you are, but Warren Nolan's compilation could save counting
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/Valparaiso (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/Valparaiso)
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi)
Or, I suppose, you could stick to the top 25...
That's a good idea (to count receiving votes as a rank). Everything is automated and scraped off various sites. I'm using ESPN to get the poll data now, since I already have the school names ESPN uses. Problem is Nolan and Massey refer to schools differently - VCU is Virginia Commonwealth on some sites and it gets bad with UWM and UWGB, etc. I never wanted to add Nolan's own index as its just not good (SFA is ranked #15). I guess I could use Nolan for the poll data, or write a formula that parses out ESPN's other receiving votes block of text.
Massey won't be too difficult to add, but Sagarin is virtually impossible. Wish I could find some other site that uses Sagarin's rankings so I can actually parse them. Working on the two MM polls as well.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 09, 2015, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2015, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 09, 2015, 10:41:58 AM1. Missouri wins out. This would definitely help our Sagarin and probably help us out in most RPI formulas, though the one the HL uses isn't published.
I hope there's no dispute about the _formula_ used for RPI? One does sometimes see difference among various sources, but I figure it comes down to:
1)How many games they're including (how up to date their DB, etc.)
2)Coding errors in home vs. away vs. neutral games
But, it is interesting that the Horizon points to one source, rather than the formula. Basically, I guess, deferring the appeals process to appealing to that _source_ if they flub the calculation.
They all use different ones.
RealTime RPI (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html)- 87
RPI forecast (http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html)-81
Warren Nolan (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi)-81
College Basketball News (used for tie breakers) (http://rpiratings.com/mensrpi.php)-81
You can see they all end up relatively the same, but there's difference.
Wow, Realtime RPI is such a joke. The ONLY thing that's good about it is seeing quality wins vs bad losses easily.
I'm going to admit these ratings calculations are way beyond my scope and I would have to think at least very difficult for most of the people reading this thread.
I mean, I can't work them in my head.
But, I'd say the RPI's only moderately complicated
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_Percentage_Index (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_Percentage_Index)
Nothing beyond a middle school math assignment (project?), say.
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 11:35:47 PM
Here's the state of the Horizon right now with RPI/BPI/KPOM/BracketMatrix:
(http://i.imgur.com/VplToQW.png)
Still working on incorporating Massey rankings
I use the Massey comparison rankings, which uses 56 different rankings/ratings/voting systems and averages them:
http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm (http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm)
Quote from: covufan on February 10, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 11:35:47 PM
Here's the state of the Horizon right now with RPI/BPI/KPOM/BracketMatrix:
(http://i.imgur.com/VplToQW.png)
Still working on incorporating Massey rankings
I use the Massey comparison rankings, which uses 56 different rankings/ratings/voting systems and averages them:
http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm (http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm)
This is my goal, except with the most relevant ratings. This list is ALWAYS out of date too. And you can't sort it. But what I'm doing isn't the most moral thing ever since I'm hitting all of these ranking websites at once. I made ~3000 requests to rpiforecast this weekend. Eventually I'll put it up online somewhere.
Quote from: a3uge on February 10, 2015, 01:40:48 PMThis list is ALWAYS out of date too
I believe he only updates this list after the Sunday games, once a week, just like the AP and USAToday voting.
Quote from: covufan on February 10, 2015, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 10, 2015, 01:40:48 PMThis list is ALWAYS out of date too
I believe he only updates this list after the Sunday games, once a week, just like the AP and USAToday voting.
Yup. But I usually want to see how Valpo ranks the day after a big game... Or even hours after.
Milwaukee up 49-60 with 6:00 left over Oakland let's hope they can hold on!!
Oakland is giving up pre game warm up 3s.....soooo wide open for Milwaukee. A little Valpo hangover for the Grizzlies.
Eh, objects in our rear view are farther than they appear.
Still, nice to see Oakland go down. Max Hooper is out of mothballs and hitting 5-8 from 3 for them right now. But Felder's only got 4 FT again, so you know they're going to lose.
Oh, and Tex, Petros is 3-8 for 7 pts with 3 TO and 4 PF. 8 boards though.
Jalen Hayes has also returned to earth--0-1 from 3.
72-57 UWM under 4...
UWM up 14 with 4 to play
JMU up 13 with 35 seconds to play
BSU down 5 with 3:22 to play
Mizzoury is warming up the bus after a 5-pt loss to Carolina (S).
Irish joined us at the rarified air level of 22 wins.. and Badgers are about to, up two touchdowns on the Huskers at Halftime.
...and UWM built that into a 20 point lead at the 3 minute mark.
And here I thought that having MSU, ASU, ISU, MD, Pitt, and Clemson pay, er play, you at their place was supposed to toughen a team up for the perils of the Klotsche Center er Panther Arena hm Under The I94 Overpass wherever it is they are supposed to be playing.
suppose i should figure that out before sunday.
Panthers put up 53 second-half points... win by 17
JMU goes to 15-11 with a 13-point win over the blue hens.
Ball State down 12 with 30 seconds to play... so our OOC OPP go 1-2 on the night.
84-67 UWM.
The future Oakland, er, HL POTW this week, Dante Williams, was 1-6 for 4 points. He'll be 3-7 for 8 points in another loss to UDM on Sunday, so he'll totally earn it, like always
I was bored so I watched the Oakland game. They looked extremely tired. Looks like that lack of depth really hurt them in this one. If the HL picks up another team and we go back to a Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner game schedule, Kampe will have to add depth to compete on the 2nd game of the road trips.
Speaking of adding depth. I may have to change my opinion about how many minutes to give Carter over the next 2 games. We might really need him to take on some real minutes when we go on the road to UWM after the big GB showdown.
ok, let's focus on our best friend Jerry Slocum for the next 23.5 hours...haven't seen a spread on the game... Will the only sound in the gym be the squeaking of the sneakers?
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 10, 2015, 09:10:10 PMI was bored so I watched the Oakland game.
Quote of the month.
(I was going to say "quote of the year" because I originally read it "I was so bored I watched the Oakland game")
Oakland didn't lose this game, Milwaukee won it with excellent all around play at both ends of the court. Something about watching them I really admired. They could have decided to just go through the motions knowing they're not going to be able to defend their championship of a year ago. Instead, they played motivated, inspired basketball as if everything was on the line. That team has character.
Needless to say, we will have our work cut out for us on Sunday.
Sunday morning: Will Oakland win out and host the Horizon League tournament?
Tuesday night: Will Oakland finish above .500?
Quote from: wh on February 10, 2015, 09:32:28 PMSomething about watching them I really admired. They could have decided to just go through the motions knowing they're not going to be able to defend their championship of a year ago. Instead, they played motivated, inspired basketball as if everything was on the line. That team has character.
I've been sensing the same thing. There must be some kind of magical freedom for players who know they can't play in March just going out there and giving it their all for the love of the game or some such thing. Not quite sure how to say it, but they seem like the kind of team Jack Buck and Mike Shannon used to get paranoid about because "they got nothing to lose".
Now it's just a 3 team race for the title with that loss by Oakland.
Anyways, Milwaukee is one of those teams that can either get completely blown out of the gym on any given night or beat a team they have no business hanging in with on any given night. On the game Sunday you have to come out hot and give them no hope, they'll collapse and we'll win by 25. Come out cold... the game will be interesting.
YSU is game tonight. 55-48 lead over GB with 10 left.
YSU up 3 with 2:53 left
GB by 1 with 40 secs left. YSU does not know how to play with a lead nor did they react well to GB defensive pressure...we will see.
GB 63, YSU 62. Missed a chance to go up at the buzzer. Kinda glad that we won't see a GB team fueled with the rage of losing at YSU, but it would have been nice all the same to have a game in hand.
63-62 GB. YSU is awful. Sykes took a hard hit a cut during the first half and had a big bandage on his forehead. If YSU can almost beat these guys we shouldn't have much problem. GB's RPI would have really tanked...
Slocum should be given his walking papers right now. Miserably coached last 7 minutes of this game. Green Bay wins by 1!
YSU played great basketball against the GB man to man but when the GB zone forced them to pass the game quickly changed. I don't think YSU could have shot much better than that.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 10, 2015, 09:10:10 PMIf the HL picks up another team and we go back to a Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner game schedule, Kampe will have to add depth to compete on the 2nd game of the road trips.
I do not believe that the days of the week that HL games are played have anything to do with having 10 teams or 9 teams. The reason that the HL has gone to games on Sunday, Wednesday, Friday and some Saturdays are because of the new agreements with ESPN and the American SN for TV coverage. ESPN and ASN wanted programming on the other nights that the other leagues didn't have games scheduled. The HL will not go back to the Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner schedule until those TV contracts are done.
Quote from: bbtds on February 12, 2015, 03:24:21 AMQuote from: SanityLost17 on February 10, 2015, 09:10:10 PMIf the HL picks up another team and we go back to a Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner game schedule, Kampe will have to add depth to compete on the 2nd game of the road trips.
I do not believe that the days of the week that HL games are played have anything to do with having 10 teams or 9 teams. The reason that the HL has gone to games on Sunday, Wednesday, Friday and some Saturdays are because of the new agreements with ESPN and the American SN for TV coverage. ESPN and ASN wanted programming on the other nights that the other leagues didn't have games scheduled. The HL will not go back to the Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner schedule until those TV contracts are done.
I was just fine with the HL network.
Getting a little help (very little) from IPFW which has now won 6 in a row and, while I think it is almost mathematically impossible for them to win the regular season conference race, is becoming the team that was the preseason selection to win the Summit League. No one wants to play them right now and I think they have a good shot to win the tournament especially since the conference doesn't give byes to any teams in the conference tournament.
Quote from: bbtds on February 12, 2015, 03:24:21 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 10, 2015, 09:10:10 PMIf the HL picks up another team and we go back to a Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner game schedule, Kampe will have to add depth to compete on the 2nd game of the road trips.
I do not believe that the days of the week that HL games are played have anything to do with having 10 teams or 9 teams. The reason that the HL has gone to games on Sunday, Wednesday, Friday and some Saturdays are because of the new agreements with ESPN and the American SN for TV coverage. ESPN and ASN wanted programming on the other nights that the other leagues didn't have games scheduled. The HL will not go back to the Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday travel partner schedule until those TV contracts are done.
Personally, I think recruiting in the Horizon league would be better with more Saturday games. Saturday games = bigger crowds. If I was a recruit, I could care less about TV, I would want to play in fun environments. In conference play, every team in the Horizon NEEDS to have at least 3 Saturday night home games a year. That is how you sell the team to the local community and to incoming recruits.
I know this is not an opponents score, but I thought it was interesting the Detroit Mercy fans are questioning Ray. They even have topics titled, "So When Does Change Need to Occur?" and "Rock Bottom"
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 12, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
I know this is not an opponents score, but I thought it was interesting the Detroit Mercy fans are questioning Ray. They even have topics titled, "So When Does Change Need to Occur?" and "Rock Bottom"
They were also calling for his head after the Capobianco game a few years ago. According to our forums, half of HL coaches are on the hot seat (UIC, YSU, MIL, DET apparently...)
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 12, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 12, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
I know this is not an opponents score, but I thought it was interesting the Detroit Mercy fans are questioning Ray. They even have topics titled, "So When Does Change Need to Occur?" and "Rock Bottom"
According to our forums, half of HL coaches are on the hot seat (UIC, YSU, MIL, DET apparently...)
As they should be... There's only 3 teams with winning records, UIC and YSU have been bottom dwellers since we've been in the Horizon, Jeter was on his way out before a surprise run and having your team face APR violations could be grounds for removal. Detroit has underperformed every year despite having a lot of talent, but I don't think McCallum is on the hot seat.
Quote from: a3uge on February 12, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 12, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 12, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
I know this is not an opponents score, but I thought it was interesting the Detroit Mercy fans are questioning Ray. They even have topics titled, "So When Does Change Need to Occur?" and "Rock Bottom"
According to our forums, half of HL coaches are on the hot seat (UIC, YSU, MIL, DET apparently...)
As they should be... There's only 3 teams with winning records, UIC and YSU have been bottom dwellers since we've been in the Horizon, Jeter was on his way out before a surprise run and having your team face APR violations could be grounds for removal. Detroit has underperformed every year despite having a lot of talent, but I don't think McCallum is on the hot seat.
Let's play a game called "Kyle is the AD"
Valpo- Could be gone to a higher level program? Not being fired ever. (Imagine what it would take to get Bryce fired). Can I give him a 35 year contract worth like $200mil ($5.6 a year)?
Green Bay- He survived the "scandal" from a few years back. His on court record speaks for itself. Safe.
Cleveland St. - He's had one bad year with a full batch of his recruits. I think Waters is really safe unless he wants a higher position outside of the HL.
Oakland- We don't call him King Kampe for nothing. He'll die on the bench, which should be a few years from now, due to a heart attack.
Wright St.- You know I think he's safe for a few years. They lost a lot from last year, had some key injuries and had low expectations. I'd give him a couple years to bring the program back.
Detroit- Ray Sr. is an interesting case. 0.469 winning percentage while at Detroit. Only 3 winning seasons and they were all with his kid. Unless he has another offspring that's good at basketball and being recruited by UofM and Duke then I think he's gone soon. I'd give him 2 years to turn things around. If he's under .500 in either of those season, hit the bricks.
Milwaukee- I fired Jeter before last season. He wouldn't survive this year in my books with the APR violation and the team's performance.
YSU- Poor Jerry. Seems like a good guy but he's a bad D1 coach. He's fired after this yearGood bye.
UIC- He's gone. There's no way you bring him back if you want to be a legitimate program.
I still believe Wardle should've been fired for defe-gate. I find it hilarious why GB fans don't understand why we don't respect Wardle at all.
Ahem. Nutter Center Final. UIC (3-8) 79 Raiders (3-8) 75 Flames next game... AT Cleveland State Sunday. 2 wins in a row for UIC, 4 losses in a row for WSU.
Other games Tonight:
Pepperdine at Portland- late
ETSU 65 NCGreensboro 62
Murray State (22-4) 78 SIUE 46
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CSU at Detroit should be a good one. CSU beat Detroit at home 70-66 and are favored by 3.5 in this one.
Detroit up 18-13 with 7:37 left in first half. Am I supposed to root for Detroit?
Yes we are going for detroit
Quote from: covufan on February 13, 2015, 07:40:23 PMDetroit up 18-13 with 7:37 left in first half.
35 -27 Detroit at half
Detroit is choking (or should we say, just being Detroit). Lead down to 3.
In and out for charlie lee. Ouch. Big night in the standings!
Thank you Titans. 66-65...One full game lead with 4 to play. OK.... we're allowed 2 deep breaths. Then. Think TIBY.
Good day of HL basketball! Glad we won, glad Oakland won, and to a lesser degree I am glad CSU also won. Things are setting up perfectly for us coming down the stretch . We now have maybe a 60% chance of winning out even though we probably will not need to.
Watched the Oakland-Detroit game. Oakland packed their place--literally standing room only and then, not much of that either! Some of the Oakland students showed up in Speedos as a way to show off their shortcomings...
Great game with little defense. Felder is the real deal as is Bass.
I watched it too. There was a lot of discussion that the HL made an exception on oaklands gym size when accepting them into the league. Personally, if they can fill it up and create such an environment, who cares. I hate the huge gyms and arenas that sit 8,000-10,000 but only get 3,000-5,000 bodies.
Quote from: justducky on February 15, 2015, 04:38:09 PMWe now have maybe a 60% chance of winning out even though we probably will not need to.
You're counting on another UWGB loss? Or what's your scenario?
I was only able to catch the last 3-4 minutes of the Oakland-Detroit game, but it looked like a rockin good time for sure. Exciting game, packed house, rivalry storyline - all good stuff. :thumbsup:
I miss the Butler rivalry. Standing room only, several rows deep around the track.
Well, if both we and CSU win out, going into the last game--do we have to win that?
If we lose that, we're both 13-3 with a season split.
hm...yes we do, because that would leave us 1-1 vs UWGB while they'd be 2-0.
So we have to win 2 and have CSU lose one (probably at UWGB) to make 2/27 meaningless.
Well, still need to win it for any hope of an at-large, I suppose, so not meaningless meaningless, meaningless for purposes of seeding.
there. used the same word three times in a row and made syntactical sense. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
Quote from: agibson on February 15, 2015, 09:35:04 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 15, 2015, 04:38:09 PMWe now have maybe a 60% chance of winning out even though we probably will not need to.
You're counting on another UWGB loss? Or what's your scenario?
If GB beats CSU and loses to Oakland, we would have a 2-game cushion over all 3.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 15, 2015, 09:47:57 PMSo we have to win 2 and have CSU lose one (probably at UWGB) to make 2/27 meaningless.
I was thinking that a likely scenario would be to keep the whole "Valpo, Oakland, CSU, Green Bay always win at home, only lose those corresponding games, and win most everything else" thing going.
We'd go to CSU 13-2 with CSU 11-4 and Green Bay 12-3.
If we lost on the 27th, to go to 13-3, and Green Bay kept the trend alive, and beat Oakland in Green Bay on the 28th (_that_ game would then be for all the marbles), they'd be 13-3.
And, without checking carefully, I think we'd tie on all the tie-breakers, go to RPI, and UWGB would take it.
So, we count on UWGB losing _somewhere_. Or, we have to win at CSU.
Did I get that right?
yeah, that's a good point. so perhaps we need to do the unthinkable, and root for the team closer to us (CSU) to win?
this is a complicated year...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 15, 2015, 09:47:57 PMBuffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
Western NY spicy heavily-built-wild-ox meat that serves to intimidate and overawe?
Hopefully we play Buck Futler in the tourney and absolutely embarrass them.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 16, 2015, 10:21:10 AM
Hopefully we play Buck Futler in the tourney and absolutely embarrass them.
Butler is pretty good this year though...
so are we
Butler's Andrew Chrabascz is out 2-4 weeks because of a broken hand
February 15, 2015 12:11 pm ET
Butler sophomore Andrew Chrabascz met with doctors Sunday and was diagnosed with a broken hand suffered in Saturday's loss to Villanova. He will miss 2-4 weeks, the school said Sunday afternoon.
"He is obviously very important to us," Butler coach Chris Holtmann said.
Chrabascz is averaging 11.1 points, 3.7 rebounds and 1.5 assists in 27.2 minutes per game. The 6-foot-7 forward played much of the second half against Villanova with the injury. He finished with eight points and four rebounds in 33 minutes.
Butler (18-7, 8-4 Big East) is ranked No. 18 by AP and plays Monday at Creighton
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 16, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
so are we
Oh Cmon they almost beat the 6th best team in the country. We have bad losses. I'm not saying we couldn't upset them because we could. I'm just saying we aren't on the same level as them.
Is this just like how we weren't on the same level in the current 4 game win streak we have against them? Give me a break, we don't fear Buck Futler like we do other schools that have basketball tradition. We panic against BCS teams, we don't panic against Buck Futler...
Quote from: valpotx on February 16, 2015, 02:21:13 PMIs this just like how we weren't on the same level in the current 4 game win streak we have against them? Give me a break, we don't fear Buck Futler like we do other schools that have basketball tradition. We panic against BCS teams, we don't panic against Buck Futler...
I question this. Not one of our current players have ever played against Butler, correct?
Sometimes too many of our own feelings about certain opponents are projected on the team when things like this are discussed.
I'm all for beating Butler any day and every day. But you wouldn't think playing Missouri would have had the effect that it did either.
Quote from: historyman on February 16, 2015, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 16, 2015, 02:21:13 PMIs this just like how we weren't on the same level in the current 4 game win streak we have against them? Give me a break, we don't fear Buck Futler like we do other schools that have basketball tradition. We panic against BCS teams, we don't panic against Buck Futler...
I question this. Not one of our current players have ever played against Butler, correct?
Sometimes too many of our own feelings about certain opponents are projected on the team when things like this are discussed.
I'm all for beating Butler any day and every day. But you wouldn't think playing Missouri would have had the effect that it did either.
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Look, Missouri was on the road and essentially the first game in a Valpo uniform for 3 freshman plus D Walker and E. Victor. Add very early foul trouble for Alec and we got what we got. Heck, given all that, we were only down 1 at the half.
As for Butler, yes, they are having a good season. The game last Saturday was at home and I'm sure home court advantage is as good in their league as it is in ours. Personnel wise we match up very well with them. Their style of play keep their games close and that is why they have a chance to win in the end. Their talent isn't overwhelming at all.
So in good news, our RPI can improve slightly tonight.
ETSU plays Tennessee Tech and is favored by 7 points.
Arkansas Pine Bluff plays Alcorn St. and is favored by 9 points.
Go Bucs and Golden Lions!
Quote from: historyman on February 16, 2015, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 16, 2015, 02:21:13 PMIs this just like how we weren't on the same level in the current 4 game win streak we have against them? Give me a break, we don't fear Buck Futler like we do other schools that have basketball tradition. We panic against BCS teams, we don't panic against Buck Futler...
I question this. Not one of our current players have ever played against Butler, correct?
Sometimes too many of our own feelings about certain opponents are projected on the team when things like this are discussed.
I'm all for beating Butler any day and every day. But you wouldn't think playing Missouri would have had the effect that it did either.
Completely agree with valpotx on this one, we don't fear them (I don't care if not one of these players was on the team then) and they know very well that we have beaten some of their best teams in the very recent past. Makes the world of difference.
Who cares whether they almost beat the #6 team in the rankings. We beat them the year they played for the national championship.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 16, 2015, 03:25:53 PMArkansas Pine Bluff plays Alcorn St. and is favored by 9 points
Well, there goes that opportunity... POSTPONED Neither schools website has the story (Alcorn State does not have the results of their game on Saturday night on their site).
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 16, 2015, 03:25:53 PMETSU plays Tennessee Tech and is favored by 7 points.
and They Covered ! 87-79 This did not cause a sudden spike in our RPI (Nolan anyway)... we're still at #61.
I see Nova and Ginny joined out Lofty 24-win season mark tonight.
Quote from: talksalot on February 16, 2015, 09:00:27 PMWell, there goes that opportunity... POSTPONED Neither schools website has the story (Alcorn State does not have the results of their game on Saturday night on their site).
It may be that Arkansas doesn't have salt trucks.
http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/28120064/uapb-reschedules-doubleheader-against-alcorn-state (http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/28120064/uapb-reschedules-doubleheader-against-alcorn-state)
http://pbcommercial.com/sports/uapb/uapb-postpones-alcorn-state-games-tuesday (http://pbcommercial.com/sports/uapb/uapb-postpones-alcorn-state-games-tuesday)
Quote from: agibson on February 16, 2015, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: talksalot on February 16, 2015, 09:00:27 PMWell, there goes that opportunity... POSTPONED Neither schools website has the story (Alcorn State does not have the results of their game on Saturday night on their site).
It may be that Arkansas doesn't have salt trucks.
http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/28120064/uapb-reschedules-doubleheader-against-alcorn-state (http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/28120064/uapb-reschedules-doubleheader-against-alcorn-state)
http://pbcommercial.com/sports/uapb/uapb-postpones-alcorn-state-games-tuesday (http://pbcommercial.com/sports/uapb/uapb-postpones-alcorn-state-games-tuesday)
After I broke my hip just south of Memphis in a car accident last February I can certainly tell you that Arkansas doesn't have salt trucks. Although the accident happened on dry roads in northern Mississippi there were numerous accidents on icy roads on I-55 in Arkansas that weren't happening in the same freezing weather in Missouri because Missouri salted their roads all the way down to the AR/MO state line.
Quote from: FWalum on February 16, 2015, 07:19:17 PMQuote from: historyman on February 16, 2015, 03:05:22 PMQuote from: valpotx on February 16, 2015, 02:21:13 PMIs this just like how we weren't on the same level in the current 4 game win streak we have against them? Give me a break, we don't fear Buck Futler like we do other schools that have basketball tradition. We panic against BCS teams, we don't panic against Buck Futler...
I question this. Not one of our current players have ever played against Butler, correct? Sometimes too many of our own feelings about certain opponents are projected on the team when things like this are discussed. I'm all for beating Butler any day and every day. But you wouldn't think playing Missouri would have had the effect that it did either.
Completely agree with valpotx on this one, we don't fear them (I don't care if not one of these players was on the team then) and they know very well that we have beaten some of their best teams in the very recent past. Makes the world of difference. Who cares whether they almost beat the #6 team in the rankings. We beat them the year they played for the national championship.
I agree and disagree.We beat Butler in 2010-11 (I was at that game and it was a phenomenal game to be at!) and they responded (after losing at Youngstown) by going on their second historical run. Before that, I can't remember the last time we beat them. 2011-2012 was one of their worst seasons (yes, even worse then the season they had last year), but we clearly stomped them. The only good team we beat was 10-11.Nonetheless, I think that Butler would be a perfect match for us in the tourney and would be the best 5 and lower seed for us to play. Recent success goes a long ways, even if the players haven't played them. We match up against them well.
No matter what if Valpo makes the tourney we'll be the underdogs. We'll be a 12 or a 13 playing a 4 or 5. I agree Butler would be a great matchup, watched their game against Creighton last night, they won by taking a 2 point lead with about 2 seconds remaining. Nothing about them screams unbeatable. I know they were without one of their best players, how long? not sure. They play low scoring games, thus teams can hang with them, which makes them beatable.
The range for Valpo at a chance of winning a first round games ranges from 10% (Louisville) to 40% (Butler).
No matter what Valpo will be expected to lose, that's why Valpo will be an 12 or 13 not a 4 or 5.
Does make you wonder about our mentality, building from our weak schedule.
Was there a game this season where we felt like underdogs?
Maybe you don't need that, maybe you -want- to go in as a 14 seed ( ok... hopefully 13... 12?)thinking "We can hang in with these guys punch for punch."
But, I wonder.
Surely, for -maximum- ability to compete with the big dogs, you'd want to play them regularly? Have three or four in conference? That comes with a whole host if ither issues, of course.
Quote from: agibson on February 17, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Does make you wonder about our mentality, building from our weak schedule.
Was there a game this season where we felt like underdogs?
Maybe you don't need that, maybe you -want- to go in as a 14 seed ( ok... hopefully 13... 12?)thinking "We can hang in with these guys punch for punch."
But, I wonder.
Surely, for -maximum- ability to compete with the big dogs, you'd want to play them regularly? Have three or four in conference? That comes with a whole host if ither issues, of course.
I would say @Green Bay certainly felt like a game we were going to lose. Once the game tipped though I thought "we might pull this off" the entire game. It's hard to believe but we were the underdogs going into the Murray St. game and I had no idea what to expect from this team before the tip. After it I still didn't know what we were, but I knew we had a chance to be in the top 3 of the league for sure. The EKU game was a pick em for gamblers, so maybe you could say we were a slight dog, but being equal on the road obviously meant we were the better team.
CSU game at western Carolina cancelled due to ice. Thought it was an odd game in the February conference schedule. They were to fly there and back and then fly to Green Bay and then travel to milwaukee. I wonder if they are stuck in Carolina.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 17, 2015, 09:57:01 AM
CSU game at western Carolina cancelled due to ice. Thought it was an odd game in the February conference schedule. They were to fly there and back and then fly to Green Bay and then travel to milwaukee. I wonder if they are stuck in Carolina.
Selfishly, that is bad news. That travel schedule would be very hard on anyone.
I'm guessing CSU was looking for a way out of this one. too bad.
Why would both of these teams agree to this game?
It makes no sense to schedule an OOC game in mid-February, right in the middle of the final stretch before conference tournament time, especially for CSU needing to fly to Carolina for the game. This game serves little benefit to schedule, its just to get a game in. Win or lose this game has a bigger opportunity to hurt CSU's chances. CSU risking having a starter injured and possibly miss the rest of the season, if CSU gets blown out it could be a big confidence blow, the added fatigue on the players playing a mid-week game against an unfamiliar foe which takes away from preparing for more important conference games.
This game just does more harm, than good. If they're stuck in Carolina for an extended period of time, this begins to cut into possible practice time as well, and serves as a negative distraction of the team. Travelling is stressful, travelling in poor winter weather certainly doesn't help.
Didn't Valpo have a similar situation with (Norfolk State?) a few years ago? and We bought out the game so we would not have to travel.
I see that Waters (Kent) and Hunter (Ohio) coached against each other for several years while both were in the MAC. Could it be that 1 old friend calls the other and says
W-I'm in a dogfight for the conf championship. Could we figure out a way to cancel, and I'll make it up to you later?
H- Sure, the weather?
W- Sounds good.
H- Ok, call my AD and let him know you can't possibly make it down here. Don't tell you talked to me.
W- Good. Later...
Huge game at GB tonight. Need Detroit to pull the upset. Athletically they match up well. A GB loss would sure help!
Quote from: vu72 on February 18, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
Huge game at GB tonight. Need Detroit to pull the upset. Athletically they match up well. A GB loss would sure help!
Yes, yes it would.
I believe I read somewhere Sykes is questionable for this game. If he's out I like Detroit's chances.
Watching the Wright St/Oakland game at the Nutter you notice 2 important things. The Raiders don't play good defense against teams with a height advantage. The combination of Arcenaux(sp?), Hopkins and Benzinger is really beneficial for Grant B getting open for shots.
Quote from: vu72 on February 18, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
Huge game at GB tonight. Need Detroit to pull the upset. Athletically they match up well. A GB loss would sure help!
Juwan to know Howard they do it? It might actually be all about Hogan being the Hero.
BTW, Sykes playing but has hand and forehead bandaged.
Interesting that Enes Kanter's brother plays for the Phoenix. There are rumors the Utah player might be coming to the Bucks. If the Turkish player comes to the Bucks his brother, Kerem, would be so excited he would $h!t his pants. (p)oops!
Quote from: bbtds on February 18, 2015, 07:18:30 PMBTW, Sykes playing but has hand and forehead bandaged.
Went for 23 points, 8 assists, in 38 minutes. 3-6 from downtown. I guess he's doing OK.
Friday night's game between GB and CSU will go a long way toward determining final standings and seeding for the tournament. This is the way I see things shaking out (assuming no one loses to anyone below the top 4):
---Whichever team loses Friday will be 2 games behind Valpo and basically out of the running for the #1 seed
---If CSU wins this Friday and beats us next Friday, CSU will have the tiebreaker over us for the No.1 seed based on having swept GB.
---If GB wins Friday and CSU beats us next Friday, GB will have the tiebreaker over us for the No.1 seed based on a better RPI.
---We can get the No.1 seed in 1 of 2 ways: (1) win out, or (2) lose to CSU, and Oakland beats GB, and GB beats CSU.
---The good news is we cannot get worse than the No.2 seed and a double bye, assuming we beat Wright State and Detroit.
Hopefully, we just take care of business these last 3 games and render all of this meaningless.
When was the last time we won in Cleveland?
Detroit athletism is dangerous and on home court.
Wsu at home on senior night should not be an issue.
Worst case scenario, we lose to an athletic Detroit team and at CSU. There's a chance we tie with Oakland with them holding the tie breaker because they swept Green Bay. That would put us at the 5th seed? Crazy and a disaster but very well could happen is not inthinkable. Who have we beat on road in the HL?
Sorry to be Debbie Downer.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 19, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
When was the last time we won in Cleveland?
Detroit athletism is dangerous and on home court.
Wsu at home on senior night should not be an issue.
Worst case scenario, we lose to an athletic Detroit team and at CSU. There's a chance we tie with Oakland with them holding the tie breaker because they swept Green Bay. That would put us at the 5th seed? Crazy and a disaster but very well could happen is not inthinkable. Who have we beat on road in the HL?
Sorry to be Debbie Downer.
We've already clinched at least a 4 seed. Detroit has 9 losses with 2 games left.
Two years ago we won 80-72 and the year before that we won as well 59-41
So two out of the last 3 seasons we've swept the season series.
This team does have a chance to make (more) history next Friday... (opposite of Debbie Downer).... "The Horizon League Road Game Ohio Sweep"...
2007-08 - We Beat WSU, YSU Lost to CSU
2008-09 - We Beat YSU Lost to WSU, CSU
2009-10 - We Beat WSU, YSU Lost to CSU
2010-11 - We Beat WSU, YSU Lost to CSU
2011-12 - We beat CSU Lost to WSU, YSU
2012-13 - We Beat CSU, WSU Lost to YSU
2013-14 - We Beat YSU, WSU Lost to CSU
2014-15 - We Beat YSU, WSU ?????
We have yet to win all three Ohio Road Games in HL regular season play.
Quote from: wh on February 19, 2015, 09:03:50 AM
---If GB wins Friday and CSU beats us next Friday, GB will have the tiebreaker over us for the No.1 seed based on a better RPI.
---We can get the No.1 seed in 1 of 2 ways: (1) win out, or (2) lose to CSU, and Oakland beats GB, and GB beats CSU.
I wonder if CSU losing at Milwaukee might be more likely than Oakland winning at Green Bay?
Hard to know who to root for in the CSU-GB game.
Root for CSU...that way if we happen to get to them still with two loses and they beat us we would still have that double bye.
Quote from: bbtds on February 18, 2015, 07:42:42 PM
Interesting that Enes Kanter's brother plays for the Phoenix. There are rumors the Utah player might be coming to the Bucks. If the Turkish player comes to the Bucks his brother, Kerem, would be so excited he would $h!t his pants. (p)oops!
Enes Kanter ends up going to the Thunder. Kerem Kanter will have to wait till training camp in Green Bay (or whatever) to.............well............you know what.
I would say Oakland has a better shot at beating GB than CSU losing at Milwaukee. Oakland can score and GB isn't an offensive juggernaut. Dante Williams is a terrific defender and can shut down Sykes. If Oakland has a good offensive game they can outscore GB. GB's only offensive weapon is Sykes, McKinnie and Mays are capable of having good games but I don't think they can beat a team by themselves.
If you can limit Sykes GB is very beatable. Oakland matches up well with them.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 20, 2015, 09:02:03 AM
I would say Oakland has a better shot at beating GB than CSU losing at Milwaukee. Oakland can score and GB isn't an offensive juggernaut. Dante Williams is a terrific defender and can shut down Sykes. If Oakland has a good offensive game they can outscore GB. GB's only offensive weapon is Sykes, McKinnie and Mays are capable of having good games but I don't think they can beat a team by themselves.
If you can limit Sykes GB is very beatable. Oakland matches up well with them.
Why not put Williams on Mays and have Felder take on Sykes? I think Felder is long enough to cause trouble for Sykes and faster than Sykes so Sykes can't drive on him easily. Plus Felder has a pretty decent steal rate (2.5%). Only one VU player has a better rate than Felder (TWalker)
Sure would like to hear Wardle talk about there being no pressure on his team going into this Oakland game.
OTOH, maybe the Phoenix players do face more "pressure" during training camp, if you know what I mean.
Reminder: The all-important Green Bay/Cleveland State starts at 6p CT on ESPN 2.
Who should we be rooting for?
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 20, 2015, 06:41:08 PM
Who should we be rooting for?
GB all the way. If CSU wins, barring any upsets the winner of the upcoming CSU/Valpo will win the championship. If GB wins and then loses to Oakland, we can still win the league with a loss to CSU. At least that's the way I see it.
Yes, but if they win tonight and against Oakland then we have to win at CSU anyways.
There's a decent chance CSU loses at uwm on the back end of this Wisconsin road trip.
I understand. I'm just pointing out the 1 possible scenario (barring upset losses to lower teams) where Valpo could lose to CSU, yet still win the league. So why not root for the team that can keep that scenario in play?
CMON CLEVELAND STATE
I want CSU to win. I want that last game of the season to be for everything! Young team needs a game like that, win or lose, to be ready for the post season.
And it would be on the same court as the HL tourney.
CSU will lose to uwm Sunday anyways.
Wow! What a game! And great for the Horizon as it showed lots of talent! Wardle wouldn't even look Waters in the eye after the game. Total BS. And Waters! Is he ever happy? I can see it now--in his bedroom--
Waters-- "NO, I HAVE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES!! IT IS WEDNESDAY, NOT, TUESDAY, AND,,, i HAVE TOLD YOU IT'S THE BLUE NIGHTY NOT THE PINK"!!! Difficult to please... Let's make sure Valpo doesn't "please" him either!!!!
wow, CSU did what we couldn't--seal the deal at GB. hats off to them. going to be a barnburner 2/27.
but first things first.
http://www.firstthings.com (http://www.firstthings.com)
I am sure Lee called "bank" on that 3-pointer... You need a little luck to win a big game on the road. We will need a few similar things to happen if we are going to win at CSU.
I really didn't want to back CSU but I just couldn't control myself. You know if we were playing CSU next and lost I would have to consider the advantages of shooting for the 4 seed instead of the 2 (extra game for Keith- warm up game for the semi-finals?). Don't know- but that is just another thing that I never liked about the double-bye. At least now the heat is off you guys who were afraid that we might lose out to GB because of a lower RPI that might have been avoidable. ;)
Quote from: vu72 on February 20, 2015, 08:20:16 PMWow! What a game! And great for the Horizon as it showed lots of talent! Wardle wouldn't even look Waters in the eye after the game. Total BS. And Waters! Is he ever happy? I can see it now--in his bedroom-- Waters-- "NO, I HAVE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES!! IT IS WEDNESDAY, NOT, TUESDAY, AND,,, i HAVE TOLD YOU IT'S THE BLUE NIGHTY NOT THE PINK"!!! Difficult to please... Let's make sure Valpo doesn't "please" him either!!!!
Carrington Love is going to think about that second FT that could have put Green Bay up by 1 with 32 seconds left in regulation for a long long time. No tournament in Green Bay! Do I have that correct?
Quote from: historyman on February 20, 2015, 08:39:57 PMCarrington Love is going to think about that second FT that could have put Green Bay up by 1 with 32 seconds left in regulation for a long long time.
i call that "No, Love Lost"
Quote from: historyman on February 20, 2015, 08:39:57 PMNo tournament in Green Bay! Do I have that correct?
Yep. Either CSU or Valpo has to end up at least 12-4. If they finish 12-4 they will either lose the head-to-head with CSU or lose the common opponents tiebreaker because of this game (Oakland is neutral in this case).
Quote from: wh on February 20, 2015, 07:21:04 PM
I understand. I'm just pointing out the 1 possible scenario (barring upset losses to lower teams) where Valpo could lose to CSU, yet still win the league. So why not root for the team that can keep that scenario in play?
I still think milwaukee has a shot. I was rooting CSU with that scenario, and the 2 seed consolation prize that HC pointed out, in mind.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 20, 2015, 08:02:23 PM
I want CSU to win. I want that last game of the season to be for everything! Young team needs a game like that, win or lose, to be ready for the post season.
That was an interesting thought, but I don't think the team would have ever been without a "for-everything" game (every tourney game has that urgency). To me, a loss by the highest-RPI team in the Horizon is a bad thing, period. I won't get into my at-large fantasies, but I'll say that I wanted the championship game to be between the two teams with the best records and RPIs.
CSU vs. Milwaukee game time has been moved. From the Milwaukee board:
Game time for the Milwaukee men's basketball game versus Cleveland State on Sunday, February 22 has been moved to 2:30 p.m. Central to accommodate television. The Panthers' home finale will be televised live on the American Sports Network, which can be found locally in Milwaukee on WCGV-TV (My 24).
I'm still hoping our last @CSU will get picked up by ESPN2 instead of the U. I love Todd, but it'd be sort of a shame if I was audio-only for the game. Think there's any chance of an upgrade?
Quote from: agibson on February 21, 2015, 02:53:05 PM
In still hop
ing our last @CSU will get picked up by ESPN2 instead of the U. I love Todd, but it'd be sort of a shame if I was audio-only for the game. Think there's any chance if an upgrade?
any sports bar worth anything can get the U.
But, I'm a family man! Late game, too. Either my wife or I would be stuck at home with the radio. Doesn't seem worth a sitter to watch a game on TV. Maybe if I knew the quality was going to be good: decent view, volume, etc.
I'll probably stick at home. But I'd be willing to pay... At least $10 for an a la carte stream.
Alas, none of the big dogs seems to price TV or streaming content that way.
Green Bay fans must still be recovering from the $2 beer night at the resch center Friday. They only have 1 page thread after their loss that sent the preseason favorite down the standings.
There should be a link at the American Sports Network website for the Cleveland State at Milwaukee game 2:30 p.m. CT Sunday (2/22/15). There may also be a link at the Horizon League website.
http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-28 (http://www.americansportsnet.com/schedule?date=2015-02-28)
http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?sport_id=2&teams%5B%5D=6&commit=Filter+Items (http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?sport_id=2&teams%5B%5D=6&commit=Filter+Items)
(I used Milwaukee as the filter item to get that game at the top of the page)
The UIC at Oakland game which starts at 2:00 p.m. CT Sunday (2/22/15) is on ESPN 3.
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index#type/upcoming/sport/basketball/startDate/20150222/league/NCAAM/ (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index#type/upcoming/sport/basketball/startDate/20150222/league/NCAAM/)
If Milwaukee can make FT this could be a huge upset!!!
Thank you Milwaukee!!
Yes MILWAUKEE you could have packed this game in but you didn't!!!!
J.J. Panoske I am glad T Walker's posterization didn't destroy your confidence.
Big result for Valpo. Let's still win both games this week though
So do we still need to win 1 more to clinch? I need to get my plane tickets!!
Let this be a lesson to us, playing any team on senior night is not easy. Let's seal the deal and win two so that there is no doubt as to who is the HL regular season champions.
Quote from: vu72 on February 22, 2015, 04:38:14 PM
So do we still need to win 1 more to clinch? I need to get my plane tickets!!
YES! Must beat either UDM
OR CSU to host the tournament.
Felder played entire game except 3 minutes in a 25 point win. No wonder he leads the nation in minutes played. Even in blowouts he doesn't sit.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 22, 2015, 11:15:58 PM
Felder played entire game except 3 minutes in a 25 point win. No wonder he leads the nation in minutes played. Even in blowouts he doesn't sit.
Kampe has a problem letting go. Period. Can't give up the 6 big conference games. Can't put in his sub's. During those last 3 minutes his other three point shooters were pretty hot. Yes, the defense wasn't as good but they were ahead by 29 at one point.
I don't understand it when coaches leave in their star players at the end of blowout games. All that can happen is serious injury. The last thing Oakland would want is to have Felder land awkwardly and break his ankle and be done for the rest of the season because the coach left him in a 25 point game with 4 minutes left.
Ah, yes...remember you can't argue against "The King" who knows all. Are you kidding me? Felder plays about 37 minutes in a 35 point blowout? No wonder "The King" stands up a lot during games...he doesn't want to sit on his brain.
careful no more of that or there'll be another blog post
Great game yesterday. Go gettem in the tournament.
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on February 23, 2015, 07:37:26 PM
Great game yesterday. Go gettem in the tournament.
Exciting game to watch; loved the result (obviously). After I read that Waters blamed the refs for the loss, I liked it even more. ;)
By the way, were you standing court side going a little crazy when Panoski and Tiby were draining those 3's? Love the passion! :thumbsup:
His persona filled up the screen at least once on ASN. He's demanded screen shot evidence, but I've noticed that the ASN archive of the game is available. Maybe I'll find it tonight and post it.
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Petros > Peters?
You can take your unadjusted for minutes stats, we'll take 1st place and an above .500 record.
He's been trolling (is it trolling if someone from inside the program is promoting it?) twitter lately with how Petros and Felder are the best players in the Horizon.
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Quote from: Kyle321n on February 24, 2015, 02:11:24 PM
He's been trolling (is it trolling if someone from inside the program is promoting it?) twitter lately with how Petros and Felder are the best players in the Horizon.
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Gotta be in the program. That godawful #wearthebear hashtag is only used by AD scrubs at OU. Still, isn't that their job? Shouldn't they be doing spin?
Mizzou up 10 with 1:38 left vs Florida. Go Mizzou!
I live in Columbia, I'm not even really aware that Mizzou has a basketball team haha it is brutal. Glad they finally won a game, got their RPI on rpiforecast.com up above 200 which is nice for Valpo. And for what it's worth, I give Kim Anderson (the new Mizzou coach) credit for changing things up and taking his lumps in a major rebuilding year. Maybe they turn it around soon. I bet Donovan thought he had win #500 locked up...Mizzou over Kentucky in the SEC final?
Quote from: drewsaders11 on February 24, 2015, 10:13:10 PM
I live in Columbia, I'm not even really aware that Mizzou has a basketball team haha it is brutal. Glad they finally won a game, got their RPI on rpiforecast.com up above 200 which is nice for Valpo. And for what it's worth, I give Kim Anderson (the new Mizzou coach) credit for changing things up and taking his lumps in a major rebuilding year. Maybe they turn it around soon. I bet Donovan thought he had win #500 locked up...Mizzou over Kentucky in the SEC final?
I echo that. Here in STL, in
February, there's more talk about football than basketball. Not much to be excited about
Fun fact: Not a single one of Missouri's 5 NCAA-D1 schools has a winning record. Of them, only UMKC has a winning conference record (4th in the WAC). Mizzou is last in the SEC.
Did I hear correctly that an Oakland player actually got an offensive rebound off a missed free throw? Despite having no teammates on the lines?
I know that Kampe has won a lot of games over the years, recruits well, and is a good X's and O's coach, but some of the things he does are just strange:
---Never has his players line up on either side of the FT line when Oakland is shooting FT's. I can probably guess the reasons he would give for doing it, but the fact is no other team I know of does that. An offensive rebound and put back off a missed FT doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Why would you just automatically take away that opportunity? Who knows, maybe he lost a game sometime because one of his guys went over the back, or something, but again no one else that I know of concedes that but him.
---Never calls a timeout to try to stop the other team's momentum when they get on a run. In today's game, GB was exploiting a weakness in Oakland's interior defense and suddenly they went from 2 or 3 up to 10-12 up. But Oakland just continued to play on. I know all about the benefits of saving timeouts for the end, but because they let the game get out of hand without stopping the clock, the timeouts he saved were useless.
---In the last 4 or 5 minutes of the game, they let GB milk out the entire clock on every possession without fouling or even closely guarding. GB is one of the worst FT shooting teams in the HL. Why not put them on the line? It's as if he determined with about 3 or 4 minutes left that if just wasn't their day, so let's get it over with.
---With about 2 min. left Wardle makes wholesale substitutions knowing the game is over, but Kampe keeps his starters to the end. Why would you do that? You've already given up trying to win the game. Why risk someone getting hurt. Get them off the court and tell your subs not to foul and let's get this game over with.
Add to these things the weird OOC scheduling thing that no one else does, and he is truly one of a kind. I hate to rip on the guy because he has a good team, they've done very well in conference play, and they're a definite threat to win the tournament. Maybe he's some great out-of-the-box thinker with insights no one else has. ???
Kampe is like the Mike Leach of basketball.
Comparing Valpo, Green Bay and Cleveland State OOC Schedule and results and Sagarin Ratings.
SAGARIN Rating 14-15 GBAY Rating 14-15 Clev State 2014-15
Maine 345 Neutral Chic St 343 Home Savannah St 342 Away L
Ark PB 328 Neutral Drake 261 Home Western Ill 320 Home
Drake 261 Neutral Ark-LR 236 Neutral Jacksnvll St 309 Home
Ball S 251 Home E Carol 213 Neutral Marshall 272 Away
E Ten S 205 Home Morhd S 186 Home East Illinois 211 Home L
IPFW 190 Away Fla GC 142 Neutral San Francisco 139 Home
J Mad 184 Away Eville 123 Neutral Bowling Green 89 Away L
Missou 172 Away L UC Irv 100 Neutral L Iona 86 Away L
E Kent 158 Away Geor St 91 Away L Toledo 80 Home L
N Mex 130 Home L Geor St 91 Home Virg Common 28 Away L
Portlnd 121 Neutral Miami 42 Away Louisville 14 Neutral L
Murry S 67 Neutral Wiscnsn 5 Away L Virginia 2 Away L
Average 201 153 158
Best Win: Best Win Best Win
Murray State 67 Miami 42 San Francisco 139
Best Home Win Best Home Win Best Home Win
E Tenn State 205 Georgia State 91 San Francisco 139
Worst Loss: Worst Loss Worst Loss
Missouri 172 UC Irvine 100 Savannah State 342
Worst Home Loss Worst Home Loss Worst Home Loss
New Mexico 130 N/A Eastern Illinois 211
Home Wins: 251,205 Home Wins: 343, 261,186, 91 Home Wins: 320, 309, 139
I just turned this game on a minute ago, pleasantly surprised to see YSU up 7. But, they've already frittered it away...
Calihan looks pretty empty. They are making some noise, however.
Snowed in Detroit today. Students are off campus on spring break. And first round games never draw well - crappy opponent, doesn't appear on printed schedules. It's amazing they've got anybody there.
Oakland CIT game on now on CollegeInsider.com
2nd half - Oakland down 8
They'd won @CSU, and now @Oakland as well. Maybe the OVC is tougher than I give them credit for.
Quote from: agibson on March 17, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
They'd won @CSU, and now @Oakland as well. Maybe the OVC is tougher than I give them credit for.
I'd always thought some on this board were way too hard on the OVC. Just because there are a greater % of decent to good teams in the HL doesn't mean that the middle range of the OVC is $h!t.
But then again maybe the Grizzlies should have learned to play some defense when they played those 6 big conference teams. Including one MD team.
So, OVC #6 beat our HL #3? Oakland forgot how to play defense. Felder had 37 points! 25% of those were from the free throw line.
It's okay, their RPI will rise every day because they played a tough non-con schedule.
If only it could lift them over .500.
KEEP TRYING! Someday you'll get there, Oakland.
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That loss didn't help HL rep.
King Kampe blows another one...and I believe it was at home. The king is dead...long live the king.
I was looking for a replay... watchcollegeinsider.com does not have any "on Demand" videos... the CSU-WMU game will be on about 6pm Central
Quote from: talksalot on March 18, 2015, 03:40:56 PMI was looking for a replay...
i posted highlights above
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1972.msg57818#msg57818 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1972.msg57818#msg57818)
Green Bay looked bad in losing at Illinois State (although the Redbirds finished the season very strong). Guess we have to root for Cleveland State to save face for the HL?
Yeah, Illinois State is good. Would like to have Reggie Lynch. Only a sophomore. Him and Alec would be awsome together.
And then there were CSU and Valpo left.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 18, 2015, 09:26:05 PM
Yeah, Illinois State is good. Would like to have Reggie Lynch. Only a sophomore. Him and Alec would be awsome together.
And then there were CSU and Valpo left.
They are good but--Green Bay needs a new coach. In our final we were down by 6 at half and won by 10. In the game GB was up by 6 and was outscored by 20 in the second half. Feels like our women's team. That's a combo of being outscored by 36 over their last two games in the second half.
If you look at the uwgb board, they want a new coach too. They are hoping DePaul will hire wardle away. Wishfull thinking.... They also want their old AD who is at NKU to hire away Wardle. To be fair, he makes the least in the HL. With their basketball budget, I don't know if you can put together a good coaching staff much less a good head coach.
Cleveland State delivers a 27 point beat down on the road. I'd figured it might be Green Bay picking up a game or two. But, if you're motivated, I suppose it's probably easier to win in the CIT.
Starting with the loss to us in our 2nd matchup, Oakland finished the season 4-5. Three possibilities come to mind relative to their late season tailspin: (1) never resting Felder, Williams and Petros finally caught up with them and they simply ran out of gas, (2) related to #1 they simply gave up too many points. It could be lack of desire, lack of coaching emphasis, or more likely an impossible task to give 100% playing 40 minutes. There's a reason coaches rest players, and it's not just to be nice, and (3) they had a more favorable schedule early with home games against the VU, CSU and GB.
Both GB and Oakland, both Kampe and Wardle are idiots in different ways. Kampe is very gimmickey to me. Nobody trying to get an O-rebound on a missed FT is simply stupid. He doesn't believe in defense, news flash! Defense wins championships! They're a team that looks better than what they really are. There defense is awful, Petros got a bunch of rebounds because he's big and the only rebounder on the team and was able to get a few O-boards off missed 3-pointers. Felder is good but once again to me his stats are a bit inflated, they run an uptempo game. Rarely do those games work, maybe if you're big-time program and can constantly recruit athletic players but when you have just a few guys who can play that style, and they get tired out when the season is coming to a close because their gassed. I thought Kampe perhaps was onto something when they started the conference season off guns-a-blazing. Perhaps his scheduling is paying off... Nope, they just got lucky and won some games they probably shouldn't have. I do think Oakland will finish in the top half of the HL next season but if they want to compete for the title they need to change quite a few things.
Now to Wardle. IMO, he should've been fired a few years ago during Defe-Gate. He had 2 potential NBA players on his team, back-to-back player of the year, and couldn't win the HL championship. GB stumbled down the stretch, wouldn't shock me if Wardle overworked his players. GB is gonna be middle-of-the-pack team for the next few seasons, at best. They got lucky with Sykes and Brown but didn't do anything with them. They were strong in the regular season but did squat in the post-season.
I hope Wardle is gone. Kampe will be in Oakland until he keels over, King Kampe can do no wrong.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 19, 2015, 12:31:15 PMDefe-Gate
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Did we have a better place than this to talk about NIT, CIT, etc. chatter?
CSU up against NJIT tonight. Probably the only two teams where I feel some kind of a rooting interest, for each. Remarkable that NJIT's getting some "post-season" success as an independent. And, emerging from some pretty murky depths.
I hadn't noticed that the CIT's also using the 30 second shot clock this year. So, UWGB, CSU, and Oakland all getting some game experience with the format that might be the future.
Available streaming, but at $10? Too rich for my blood, I think.
, and we're done here
#HL2015
80-77 NJIT... and CSU blows a 5-point half-time lead...playing in the NJ fieldhouse...
Here's the twitter feed... https://twitter.com/CSUVikingshoops (https://twitter.com/CSUVikingshoops) (there's a "gym-shot" to see the venue)
and here's the box: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400786174 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400786174)
in front of 1,404 crazed fans...
That's a high school gym.
NEWARK, NJ—Ky Howard drained a huge 3-pointer with 19.7 seconds left, helping NJIT to a thrilling 80-77 victory over Cleveland State in the second round of the College Insider.com Tournament (CIT) at the Zoom and Estelle Fleisher Athletic Center Monday night.
Estelle and Zoom Fleisher Athletic Center
Teams: Men's and women's basketball, volleyball, swimming, fencing
Main gym underwent a renovation in summer of 2006. Included in the makeover were: installation of a new floor, sound system, lighting, scoreboards, and baskets, a repositioning of the main playing court, and entirely new seating for more then 1,000 spectators after the first phase of the renovation. Future plans include addition of more seating which will nearly double the seating capacity, and a new lobby entrance.
The Highlanders fencing teams practice and host meets in the Fleisher Multi-Purpose Room. This area has three (3) permanent strips, and is equipped with the latest in electrical strips and speed targets.
A six-lane 25 yard pool swimming pool in Fleisher Athletic Center is home to the NJIT men's and women's swim teams.
and maybe someday... they'll update their athletics webpage...
2007-08 NJIT BASKETBALL TICKET PRICES AT FLEISHER ATHLETIC CENTER
General Admission -- $10
Faculty, Staff, Non-NJIT Students -- $5
Children 8-18 -- $5
Children Under 8 -- FREE
NJIT Students -- FREE (w/ ID)
and I know you all want to know about "Zoom"...
http://njithighlanders.com/news/2012/2/20/GEN_0220120101.aspx (http://njithighlanders.com/news/2012/2/20/GEN_0220120101.aspx)
Group tickets are available in advance for Fleisher Athletic Center at 973-596-6406
All seating is general admission.
Other Fleisher center amenities include a fitness center, two weight rooms, sauna, training room, locker rooms, racquetball courts, and jogging track.
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