Since the tournament begins this evening, I thought it would be good to have a thread for on-going discussion as the games progress.
I found this new video on the HL website "Coaches talks about the feelings they have during the Horizon League Tournament," including comments from Bryce:
http://www.horizonleague.org/video.html?id=13855 (http://www.horizonleague.org/video.html?id=13855)
Also, a new HL Men's Basketball Weekly giving a tourney overview:
http://www.horizonleague.org/video.html?id=13855 (http://www.horizonleague.org/video.html?id=13855)
Oren offer his tourney predictions sprinkled in with some good humor: http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/predicting-the-horizon-league-championship/article_bb1bb496-c1ef-11e4-82d1-53ed1d78a3a4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/predicting-the-horizon-league-championship/article_bb1bb496-c1ef-11e4-82d1-53ed1d78a3a4.html)
Quote from: valpopal on March 03, 2015, 05:36:10 PM
Oren offer his tourney predictions sprinkled in with some good humor: http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/predicting-the-horizon-league-championship/article_bb1bb496-c1ef-11e4-82d1-53ed1d78a3a4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/predicting-the-horizon-league-championship/article_bb1bb496-c1ef-11e4-82d1-53ed1d78a3a4.html)
Is he saying that his preseason predictions were hacked (like his o/u predictions)?
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2015, 05:17:36 PM"Coaches talks about the feelings they have during the Horizon League Tournament,"
followed by "Her Eyes On Leage Ofishuls Speak Pretty One Day"
As everyone predicted, YSU is up 6 at Detroit at the half. Also, Howard didn't even start tonight for some reason?
Quote from: HC on March 03, 2015, 06:58:35 PM
As everyone predicted, YSU is up 6 at Detroit at the half. Also, Howard didn't even start tonight for some reason?
"Coach's decision" - but has been playing plenty of minutes, I think. Not scoring much yet.
I missed this new thread. From the other:
Quote from: agibson on March 03, 2015, 06:30:23 PM
I just turned this game on a minute ago, pleasantly surprised to see YSU up 7. But, they've already frittered it away...
Quote from: agibson on March 03, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
Calihan looks pretty empty. They are making some noise, however.
YSU's built the lead up a couple of times since frittering it away when first I tuned in. YSU's had a bunch of turnovers, but also a bunch of steals. Blown fast breaks, but at least one recovered after. Both sides looking... dare I say... pretty beatable. But hustling.
They're calling the ARC a high school gym, and saying it's their least favorite building in the league. But acknowledging it as definitely a tough place to play.
Was that three fouls on one possession? Detroit with its first lead of the game, under four minutes remaining.
I quit watching the game....Captain America took over while my wife hosts a pampered chef party upstairs.
They can hate on the ARC all they want. It's a great atmosphere to take in a game and I can only imagine the energy the players feel when their home crowd is blowing the roof off the place.
I suppose a Detroit win will make the quarter finals a better game and hopefully wear out our opponent a lot more.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 03, 2015, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2015, 05:17:36 PM"Coaches talks about the feelings they have during the Horizon League Tournament,"
followed by "Her Eyes On Leage Ofishuls Speak Pretty One Day"
Dude, you get into the communion wine?
"The Pavilion has erupted"
- overstatement of the year
UIC somehow up 1.
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Good thing no high school gym tho
UIC knocks off WSU by 3 and Jay Harris gets to play another game at the ARC!
Who told you so, baby?
And they win! After being down by 19!! Clearly Jay Harris would have been a very valuable part of our team and perhaps put us in a different category. He st the all time UIC record tonight, making his 153 free throw. As for the crowd "erupting", I can certainly undrstand the emotion. Heck, there had to be 300 at the game !!!!
(let me just say that the idea of "campus" locations for first round games has clearly past its time)
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
And they win! After being down by 19!! Clearly Jay Harris would have been a very valuable part of our team and perhaps put us in a different category. He st the all time UIC record tonight, making his 153 free throw. As for the crowd "erupting", I can certainly undrstand the emotion. Heck, there had to be 300 at the game !!!!
(let me just say that the idea of "campus" locations for first round games has clearly past its time)
If Harris would've stayed at Valpo he would've graduated last year.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 03, 2015, 09:01:20 PM
If Harris would've stayed at Valpo he would've graduated 6 years ago.
FIFY
Let's put it another way... "The Higher Seeds Advance... and I like that theme."
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2015, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 03, 2015, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2015, 05:17:36 PM"Coaches talks about the feelings they have during the Horizon League Tournament,"
followed by "Her Eyes On Leage Ofishuls Speak Pretty One Day"
Dude, you get into the communion wine?
No, the priest lost the key to the communion cabinet, even though it doesn't exist.
If you read "Coaches talks about the feelings they have", and didn't notice anything, then *you* are the one tippling.
Or possibly living with Smeagol.
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
(let me just say that the idea of "campus" locations for first round games has clearly past its time)
And how many people would have gone to these games last night if it was in Valpo? Detroit and YSU aren't going to bring anyone here 4 and 5 hours away to watch a first round game on a Tuesday and the same goes to Wright St. UIC might have brought a bus, but what would that have consisted of? 100 students and parents? As for the NW Indiana community, why would they show up to games for teams that are going to be eliminated before the home town team plays? I MIGHT have gone if the tickets were $5. Hell I had the games on my phone while I watched my regular Tuesday night TV shows (which means I cleaned out my DVR from the weekend/last week)
Not too many from the South Side of Chicago were going to go watch WSU-UIC on a Tuesday when IHSA 4A Regionals just got underway, and CPL teams are playing. More fans will go watch those games before they'll watch a 1st round HL tourney game at UIC between two teams they paid ZERO attention to all winter. It's just how it is in Chicago.
In terms of Illinois college basketball, it has fallen off the radar because the state knows that if you can't recruit Chicago because you don't know Chicago, then you won't get enough of the top Chicago kids to stay in state and play for the Illini, DePaul, Illinois State, Western Illinois, and Bradley. I didn't include Loyola or Northwestern as the top kids aren't looking at those schools due to more focus on education over basketball, athough Chris Collins is trying to balance that out in Evanston.
and Valpo High lost in the Boys sectional last night... after sweeping the Duneland Conference... they lost to Crown Point in the Merrillville Sectional... had they kept winning, the sectional title game would be on Saturday opposite the VU game. Sad for the HS... may help us round up the upper deck.
Check out this article by Aaron Leavitt that details the 2012, 2013, and 2015 season championships highlighted in the new forum banner above: http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14437/run-at-the-top-the-crusaders-success-under-bryce-drew/#.VPclvWTF9RY (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14437/run-at-the-top-the-crusaders-success-under-bryce-drew/#.VPclvWTF9RY)
History of match ups being repeated on Friday night:
Oakland defeated UIC at Pavilion 81-56
Oakland defeated UIC at ORena 91-77
Oakland is 1-3 at Neutral Courts, beat Chicago State, losses to Iowa State, Western Carolina and Georgia State
UIC is 0-2 at Neutral Courts, losses to Yale and Southern Illinois
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CSU defeated Detroit at Wolstein 70-66
Detroit defeated CSU at Calihan 66-65
Detroit is 1-0 at Neutral Courts, Win over Maryland-Eastern Shore and Mike Myers.
Cleveland State has not played at Neutral Court this season
Quote from: historyman on March 03, 2015, 08:57:24 PM
UIC knocks off WSU by 3 and Jay Harris gets to play another game at the ARC!
Who told you so, baby?
A tale of two halves. UIC is on a roll.
Quote from: talksalot on March 04, 2015, 10:53:53 AMDetroit is 1-0 at Neutral Courts, Win over Maryland-Eastern Shore and Mike Myers.
Ooh - a reason (another reason?) to root for Detroit? (In other-thread news, Myers is down to 54%, but it's still going to take some work for the St. Mary's guy to beat him.)
Coach Kampe's view about the history of Oakland vs Valpo: http://www.theoaklandpress.com/sports/20150304/pat-caputo-ou-greg-kampe-still-chasing-valpo-after-all-these-years (http://www.theoaklandpress.com/sports/20150304/pat-caputo-ou-greg-kampe-still-chasing-valpo-after-all-these-years)
What an idiot writer. No research whatsoever. Valpo's run to the Sweet Sixteen in the 80's? Valpo's "high school gym" which is nearly twice the size of the "O'Rena? And finally, the description of Valpo as having recruited "older players" when in fact we have one of the youngest teams in the country. Other than those minor comments...nicely done. ???
That writer is actually correct that we traditionally did have many older/foreign players. We had several when I was in school that were 23-24 when they graduated, and I believe that KVW was 25 when finished. However, that was maybe one player every few years, with others being the more traditional age. The comment about us making the Sweet 16 in the 80s is absurd, and someone should email him.
Is Kampe in love with us? I get kind of grossed out every time he talks about us...
Definite unamerican VU slant vs. OU only recruits pure-bred US high school athletes. Ha ha.
Grammatical mistakes, factual inaccuracies, and wandering thoughts with absolutely no direction or point... what an article.
ALSO GO VALPO:
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THIS ONE IS FOR THE OLD FOREIGN GUYS
Kampe's obsession with Valpo is a bit odd. Perhaps Bryce can give him a job as a ball boy?
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
He's overly nice towards valpo in the media, but at home he has a dart board with Bryce's face on it.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 05, 2015, 08:29:17 AMHe's overly nice towards valpo in the media, but at home he has a dart board with Bruce's face on it.
Why doesn't Kampe like Bruce?
So about this writer... Pat Caputo is easily #1 on Oakland's most hated media members list. The guy pays no attention to how Oakland is playing all year and will try to jump on the coattails of anything that sounds like a good story. Doesn't matter if it's true. I can't post links on your guys board, but needless to say you won't hear any OU fans deny he's a hack.
I am guessing you are referring to Bruce Wayne, because of his stately manor and how he was undefeated against the Joker and the Rogue hall of celebrity guest villains.
Caputo must have corrected his story because it now reads 1990s. A
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2015, 10:54:14 PMGrammatical mistakes, factual inaccuracies, and wandering thoughts with absolutely no direction or point...
Sounds like many posts on this message board. :)
Quote from: bbtds on March 05, 2015, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2015, 10:54:14 PMGrammatical mistakes, factual inaccuracies, and wandering thoughts with absolutely no direction or point...
Sounds like many posts on this message board. :)
Grizz is that you?!?
Oren mentioned to Kampe's radion show that several fans from Valpo and Oakland get on the opposing forums. I thought it was funny acknowledged that and mentioned it on the show.
Looks like after the initial flurry of activity mezzanine sales have slowed with maybe 1000+ seats remaining. Maybe some area high school fans whose teams will be eliminated in sectional semifinals Friday will travel to the ARC to fill in the gaps? It is hard for me to imagine 2 match ups like VU vs CSU(?) and GB vs Oakland(?) not being able to pack the building including those restricted view seats.
Quote from: bbtds on March 05, 2015, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2015, 10:54:14 PMGrammatical mistakes, factual inaccuracies, and wandering thoughts with absolutely no direction or point...
Sounds like many posts on this message board. :)
Your probably correct, minus the grammar part.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 05, 2015, 10:46:21 AM
Oren mentioned to Kampe's radion show that several fans from Valpo and Oakland get on the opposing forums. I thought it was funny acknowledged that and mentioned it on the show.
Totally. It's always amusing when someone does this - even happens in print sometimes. Sort of like breaking the third wall.
I noticed that too, but we've had big walk-up ticket sales lately. I don't know why a tournament semi-final game would be any less. Plus, Saturday is supposed to be a nice day - in the low 40's. Of course we have have the challenge of replacing several hundred missing students and staff.
By the way (and this is nothing new) is the college academic calendar never ceases to amaze me with how much time off students and faculty get - fall break, 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks spring break, every holiday known to mankind, personal days, sick days, and then they're all so exhausted when they crawl to the finish line at the beginning of May they have to take the next 3 months off to recover. Am I jealous? And before someone asks, no it wasn't that way when I was in school. I walked 2 miles to every class in waste high snow and we went 6 days a week and sometimes Sunday.
Quote from: justducky on March 05, 2015, 11:07:02 AMincluding those restricted view seats.
Which are those? If you get up high enough your view of the _scoreboard_ gets restricted by the tarp. But, the view of the floor's fine, isn't it?
I always considered the ARC a sort of "no bad seats in the house" venue.
The sound system has been a little wonky in years past, but you see the court OK, no?
Quote from: wh on March 05, 2015, 11:50:09 AMfall break, 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks spring break, every holiday known to mankind, personal days, sick days,
The first category comes a bit at the expense of the second category.
I always figured that the long Thanksgiving break (you forgot the week there) and the two-week spring break are a trade-off for skipping basically all the national holidays that fall during the term. Skipping Labor Day always especially grates.
And, I think most students and faculty have a pretty high threshold for taking a sick day or personal day and skipping or canceling classes. If students miss, the class goes on without them. It's not so easy to catch up. Faculty have a certain amount of material they want to cover, and if they miss class they're often tempted to make it up, or cram it the remaining classes. And, even if you cancel your classes your grading still remains. Canceling an assignment would be a different scale.
Don't even get me started on grading papers, or all of the other work (much of it delightful, some grinding) that happens outside of the classroom schedule ;)
But, for sure, the academic schedule and way of life is pretty different from others.
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2015, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 05, 2015, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2015, 10:54:14 PMGrammatical mistakes, factual inaccuracies, and wandering thoughts with absolutely no direction or point...
Sounds like many posts on this message board. :)
Your probably correct, minus the grammar part.
Clever, if intentional.
Quote from: justducky on March 05, 2015, 11:07:02 AM
Looks like after the initial flurry of activity mezzanine sales have slowed with maybe 1000+ seats remaining. Maybe some area high school fans whose teams will be eliminated in sectional semifinals Friday will travel to the ARC to fill in the gaps? It is hard for me to imagine 2 match ups like VU vs CSU(?) and GB vs Oakland(?) not being able to pack the building including those restricted view seats.
I expect a sellout. Don't remember when the last time the lower sections were completely sold out with almost three days till tipoff.
There's 3 total seats in the lower bowl left, all singles. They're actually selling lower half of EE and AA seats, which have some sales, and most of the Mez is over half sold. Since it's only Thursday, I would imagine its possible to reach 5k.
I really wish they'd build a proper under the basket section. I'd imagine the HL still has the ridiculous rule that Valpo's student section can't sit where they normally sit (this doesn't apply to any other school).
Quote from: agibson on March 05, 2015, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: justducky on March 05, 2015, 11:07:02 AMincluding those restricted view seats.
Which are those? If you get up high enough your view of the _scoreboard_ gets restricted by the tarp. But, the view of the floor's fine, isn't it?
I always considered the ARC a sort of "no bad seats in the house" venue.
The sound system has been a little wonky in years past, but you see the court OK, no?
First 3 mezzanine rows are not listed for sale because of pedestrian traffic. In a near sellout situation or if you request them they are for sale with the warning that people will be walking in front of you. All of those seats were sold for both Purdue and Butler in 2011.
Quote from: vu72 on March 05, 2015, 11:59:33 AMI expect a sellout. Don't remember when the last time the lower sections were completely sold out with almost three days till tipoff.
Hope you guys are right. Again we would have to go back to those Purdue and Butler games where Purdue might have been a total sellout 10 days in advance and Butler was 2 or 3. At least that is my memory of it.
Quote from: agibson on March 05, 2015, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: wh on March 05, 2015, 11:50:09 AMfall break, 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks spring break, every holiday known to mankind, personal days, sick days,
The first category comes a bit at the expense of the second category.
I always figured that the long Thanksgiving break (you forgot the week there) and the two-week spring break are a trade-off for skipping basically all the national holidays that fall during the term. Skipping Labor Day always especially grates.
And, I think most students and faculty have a pretty high threshold for taking a sick day or personal day and skipping or canceling classes. If students miss, the class goes on without them. It's not so easy to catch up. Faculty have a certain amount of material they want to cover, and if they miss class they're often tempted to make it up, or cram it the remaining classes. And, even if you cancel your classes your grading still remains. Canceling an assignment would be a different scale.
Don't even get me started on grading papers, or all of the other work (much of it delightful, some grinding) that happens outside of the classroom schedule ;)
But, for sure, the academic schedule and way of life is pretty different from others.
Whoops! I wasn't considering that my comments might be offensive to certain members of the brotherhood. My apologies if you were offended. I'm sure you work very hard and do a great job. I've seen your credentials and the university is extremely fortunate to have you as a member of its esteemed faculty.
I wouldn't rely too heavily on the online seating charts that show seats sold. I presume some that are marked sold are really just being held for the other three teams that will be in the semifinals. Otherwise I don't understand why the top rows of the upper deck would be sold and seats in the lower rows still available. As for under the basket seating, the student section on the west end seems suitable, but the east end could look better. Of course, is it better to have a large section on the east end that mirrors the west end then have it appear empty on camera? The west end isn't full for most games and seldom are there more than a handful of people on the east end.
This has been on my mind for a little while.
Ryan and company won back to back season championships. The first one came when no one expected it. Despite winning the season championship and hosting they fell short In the final game. The next year ryan and company were pre-season 1 and won the season. Then Ryan and company were more seasoned and had a taste the year before of hosting and getting close to the NCAA. As we know they won the tourney to compliment their season title.
Are there similarities?
We won this year kind of a dark horse like Ryan's junior year. Will we have go through the same path of growing pains before wining the tournament? We will most likely be predicted pre season 1 next year just like sr. Year of Ryan and the rest of them were when they won the tourney.
I had some business on campus today, so I stopped by the ARC to see the transformation for the tournament. The first thing you notice walking in the main entrance is the absence of the usual Valpo banners in the lobby, replaced by Horizon League banners. The whole building seems to have Horizon League logos (like the one below) on all the walls. The media room (also below) is prepared for all the stories to be told in the next few days.
I didn't take any pictures of the court because the Cleveland State team was practicing when I was there. However, while I watched them, I noticed the side of the court has been organized as during the past tournament. A media table extends the length of the chairback section, and it takes away what is normally the first three rows of seats. Additional seating has been placed on the end of the court by the concession stand and the Valpo bench, which is likely where the Valpo student section will be. Of course, there are Horizon League signs all around the court as well.
While I was there, the Crusader Club area in the old gym was being set up with tables and chairs for the Saturday rally. I look forward to seeing some of you there. At the box office, some folks were trickling in to purchase tickets, though I believe most of the sales at this point are being done by phone or online with out-of-town fans for other teams. All in all, there seemed to be a "calm before the storm" atmosphere.
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Stupid. I imagine in a couple years they'll make everyone wear black "Horizon League" shirts and require the center court logo be covered up. Valpo seems to let itself get pushed around. The league wants us to have a home game, but not an actual home-home game. We seem to face sanctions whenever we host the tournament while the other schools don't have to change anything.
I do think we'll soon see the tournament move to a neutral location soon - probably the renovated State Fair Colosseum in Indy.
Quote from: wh on March 05, 2015, 11:50:09 AMBy the way (and this is nothing new) is the college academic calendar never ceases to amaze me with how much time off students and faculty get - fall break, 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks spring break, every holiday known to mankind, personal days, sick days, and then they're all so exhausted when they crawl to the finish line at the beginning of May they have to take the next 3 months off to recover. Am I jealous? And before someone asks, no it wasn't that way when I was in school. I walked 2 miles to every class in waste high snow and we went 6 days a week and sometimes Sunday.
While I can understand your thoughts about faculty workload, please remember that the work associated with teaching is only about 40-50% of the workload for a faculty member at a school like Valpo. There are research and publication requirements that take a great deal of time (and posting on this forum does not count). Furthermore, there are other administrative tasks, though these take less time for faculty than teaching and research/publication.
No matter how they decorate the fortress, Valpo needs to defend the fortress. The team did a great job earning the double bye and hosting privileges. Now is the time to defend it. Any games will be close and hard fought - thus the environment can make a huge difference.
Quote from: wh on March 05, 2015, 11:50:09 AMI walked 2 miles to every class in waste high
you must have been a pleasure to sit next to at lunch, not just because of the smell but because of the munchies kicking in
If the HL changes to a neutral site, the Coliseum in Ft. Wayne should be considered.
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2015, 02:58:42 PM
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Stupid. I imagine in a couple years they'll make everyone wear black "Horizon League" shirts and require the center court logo be covered up. Valpo seems to let itself get pushed around. The league wants us to have a home game, but not an actual home-home game. We seem to face sanctions whenever we host the tournament while the other schools don't have to change anything.
The rules are the same for *everyone*. How are we being singled out??
I do agree with your underlying point. I have always said that if the conference is going to hype the "home court" advantage for higher seeds, they shouldn't mitigate it out of ... what, a guilty conscience? Trying to have their cake and eat it too? Who knows.
But I don't feel that Valpo is being singled out on this.
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Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2015, 02:58:42 PM
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Stupid. I imagine in a couple years they'll make everyone wear black "Horizon League" shirts and require the center court logo be covered up. Valpo seems to let itself get pushed around. The league wants us to have a home game, but not an actual home-home game. We seem to face sanctions whenever we host the tournament while the other schools don't have to change anything.
The rules are the same for *everyone*. How are we being singled out??
I do agree with your underlying point. I have always said that if the conference is going to hype the "home court" advantage for higher seeds, they shouldn't mitigate it out of ... what, a guilty conscience? Trying to have their cake and eat it too? Who knows.
But I don't feel that Valpo is being singled out on this.
We're the only school that has had the first 3 rows taken away for an absurdly long media table and the only school that has had half of their student section seats taken away. They seemingly invented that rule once Valpo hosted, and hadn't enforced it in the past (Wright State). It just makes zero sense and ends up making everything look ridiculous on TV.
agreed. Worked really well in the past...enough lodging. easy access from the interstate and some nice corporate sponsors in the past
Quote from: valpo64 on March 05, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
If the HL changes to a neutral site, the Coliseum in Ft. Wayne should be considered.
Quote from: frontrowfan on March 05, 2015, 05:22:52 PM
agreed. Worked really well in the past...enough lodging. easy access from the interstate and some nice corporate sponsors in the past
The Coliseum is a nice venue and a fairly centralized location. That said, if the league really wants a neutral location tournament to be a success, it needs to be held in a major "destination" city like Chicago, for example, that has great tourist appeal with the Mag Mile, theaters, concerts, museums, zoos, great restaurants, fabulous lake shore area, Grant Park, etc. 50.2 million people visited Chicago in 2013. How many visited Fort Wayne - 500? You need a city that gets fans as excited about the destination as the event. I have attended numerous conferences, seminars, etc. over the years and the ones i'm most interested in are the ones held in exciting, happening places. Nothing is less appealing than attending an event and afterward returning to the Super 8 to eat your KFC carryout and watch the same boring TV programs you get at home.
Think of it this way. This year's tournament will not draw any significant number of fans from any of the participating programs other than Valpo. Would holding it in Ft. Wayne have drawn any more? Probably not. All holding it in Ft. Wayne would have done is draw far fewer Valpo fans. The bottom line is I would hope the HL would think long and hard before changing to a neutral location. There are many more opportunities for complete failure than rousing success, IMO.
Each school participating in the tournament gets a designated 'student' section spot (although it's pretty dumb - - not THAT many students travel for the tournament). I just think since our arena is so small that the changes are more obvious than others (if WSU holds 10,000 then splitting students into equal section around the court is a lot less noticable than it would be at the ARC)
I believe the student sections are designated to be the basket basket closest to their teams bench.
Also, a neutral court is a horrible idea. :twocents:
The Horizon League is guaranteed a great turnout in the present version of it. If it is held at a neutral location, there is a chance that the place would be empty. There's nothing worse during championship week than watching a game that has noone in attendance. HL has zero ties to Fort Wayne as of right now so that would be a bad choice. Chicago makes some sense however I am not sure you would get great attendance there either - - majority of Chicago would not care and I would guess the majority of people who would travel to chicago, would travel no matter where it is held.
The current version also gives the top 2 teams a great chance of winning the tournament and getting a decent seed in the tournament with a chance of advancing (more tourney wins = more money).
The current format isn't perfect, but it is good. It generates revenue from ticket sales, gets the better/best teams on national audience for title game, and gives the team an award for winning the season.
I was being overdramatic when I said they'd probably move the tournament back by their headquarters. They're not that stupid to think they'd make as much money in a big empty stadium.
Anyways, the 2nd media row, although ridiculous, could be a good setup for some courtside seats. We really need to get rid of that stupid track. I'll personally buy underarmor for the three students that use it in the winter. Setting up a permanent camera area in the back and maybe extending the seating back would be ideal.
I don't agree, I have traveled to every tournament site since the mid 90s including the Quad Cities , Tulsa, FT Wayne etc. We typically have a very committed fan base that travels well. Actually the Tulsa days were quite a bonding experience. There doesn't have to be big city attractions just enough good housing, good restaurants and a little something to do during the mornings and in the current format between Sat and Tues.
I just want to say how great it is that people who are 'quieter', shall we say, members here are posting more--like elephtheria (as an ex-classicist i highly approve) and frontrowfan (although for the tournament maybe change your name to fourthrowfan?) on this thread as well as others on different threads.
great to have you here.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 05, 2015, 06:50:26 PMThe Horizon League is guaranteed a great turnout in the present version of it. If it is held at a neutral location, there is a chance that the place would be empty.
Agree
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2015, 07:06:08 PMI was being overdramatic when I said they'd probably move the tournament back by their headquarters. They're not that stupid to think they'd make as much money in a big empty stadium.
I have never felt that a neutral site was the best answer. Bu---------------t I have always felt that the combination of home court plus the double bye was excessive maybe counterproductive overkill. Let me try to remember now what the initial logic was again. So Butler was always good but Butler was always uncomfortable sitting on the bubble, so the HL constructed them a slanted table so that things generally slid their way even when they might not have been the best team going down the stretch. OK! Man were those guys smart! No wonder they left all us dummies behind in their search for intellectual competition!
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Quote from: wh on March 05, 2015, 11:50:09 AMI walked 2 miles to every class in waste high
you must have been a pleasure to sit next to at lunch, not just because of the smell but because of the munchies kicking in
Now there is a typo that was certainly wasted--but not by Laporte.
How about Renting Hinkle Fieldhouse for a neutral site ::) the memories
I need a travel suggestion... Looking to meet someone in valpo for lunch before the game and we are looking for a decent meal and a pool table... (Not too far from campus.) I don't want to take over the thread so feel free to email me.
Shanesmj@yahoo.com
I agree - Chicago or Milwaukee would be better "neutral" sites for the tournament
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 05, 2015, 03:39:36 PM(and posting on this forum does not count)
It might for pgmado!
But, wh, no hard feelings, certainly. You lobbed one our way and, even while obviously at least partly in humor, I figured I'd lob it back.
Quote from: Smj on March 05, 2015, 09:44:25 PM
I need a travel suggestion... Looking to meet someone in valpo for lunch before the game and we are looking for a decent meal and a pool table... (Not too far from campus.) I don't want to take over the thread so feel free to email me.
Shanesmj@yahoo.com
It is a bit of a shame noone put together a travel guide. I briefly considered it... It's a little late now, but perhaps could be crowd sourced. And, at least for one pool table, I don't think there's a risk of thread-takeover. Just thread enrichment ;)
I went looking for darts one night in Valpo, and didn't have much luck. Pool must be easier, but none of my usual places have it.
Maybe Franklin House and Pepe's used to have pool, not sure if they still do. Maybe Northside tap? I can't (or, for Pepe's, wouldn't particularly) vouch for any of those places, but they're what comes to mind...
The Union at the university does still have pool tables, not sure how they'd feel about an alum popping in - might be OK. You can do better for food, but it has improved over the years (prefer the main cafeteria to the cafe by the pool tables), and might have some renovated-nostalgia value.
Maybe the Tomato Bar has pool tables?
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What do people think of this "Seize the League" hash tag created by the HL? I can't recall anything like it in years past. Marketing ploy?
The ARC looks outstanding. Anyone else going to tonight's games as well?
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
What do people think of this "Seize the League" hash tag created by the HL? I can't recall anything like it in years past. Marketing ploy?
The ARC looks outstanding. Anyone else going to tonight's games as well?
I'll be there as soon as the doors open at 5 and plan to watch every second of every game.
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Looks like they got rid of that ridiculous 1 mile long front row media table. First row still seems to be blocked off.
If its good enough for the regular season, why isn't it good enough for the tournament? Who knows. Hopefully the empty 1st row doesn't look too ridiculous on TV.
Nice pics.
Silly question that I should have asked 6 years ago: Why don't they have retractable chair backs on the other side as well? Even that little change would significantly alter the HS Gym image people seem to throw at the ARC. And then, when they renovate and move the concession stand off the floor, adding a full set of retractable bleachers corresponding to the other end would also create more of bowl feel.
Quote from: frontrowfan on March 06, 2015, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
What do people think of this "Seize the League" hash tag created by the HL? I can't recall anything like it in years past. Marketing ploy?
The ARC looks outstanding. Anyone else going to tonight's games as well?
I'll be there as soon as the doors open at 5 and plan to watch every second of every game.
Same here.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 06, 2015, 03:32:23 PM
Nice pics.
Silly question that I should have asked 6 years ago: Why don't they have retractable chair backs on the other side as well? Even that little change would significantly alter the HS Gym image people seem to throw at the ARC. And then, when they renovate and move the concession stand off the floor, adding a full set of retractable bleachers corresponding to the other end would also create more of bowl feel.
It probably has to do with the ability to contract and expand the bleacher area - there's a lot more seats on the bench side, so it may be impossible to find expandable seats for that large of an area. The main problem is the ARC's multi-use status. They want to be able to fold and tuck away everything like its a European studio flat, and then conveniently expand on game day.
Also, it's a bad idea to use expandable seats. If they are going to replace the seating, they might as well install actual stadium seats.
The master plan calls for a concessions area on the north side of the arena, the entrance closest to the student section. This will allow proper bleachers on the other end. Unfortunately, these renovations won't happen until the new field house is built long down the road, and no permanent seating will be installed until then either.
Can't be more than 250 people here 5 min before tipoff. Tevonn sitting incognito with a bud in the Valpo student section.
I'm at the games tonight and I noticed something. The bands and (nonexistent) student sections are at the opposite ends of the court as their team's benches. The OU band is in the Valparaizone area, while the players sit on the EAST bench, closest to the main entrance. Does this mean that tomorrow, our students can sit in the Valparaizone (as usual) even if the team is on the east bench?
Quote from: wh on March 06, 2015, 06:00:59 PM
Can't be more than 250 people here 5 min before tipoff. Tevonn sitting incognito with a bud in the Valpo student section.
Should be noted that tevonn is with a friend, not a small amount of marijuana.
Go UIC go.
Oakland built a 26-11 lead at the 7:00 mark, then went ice cold (I think these teams feel there is some penalty for attempting a two-point shot).
Game is much closer than it should be at the half. Oakland leads 30-25. Felder has two fouls officially, but there is some question as to whether it should be 3.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2015, 06:39:25 PMShould be noted that tevonn is with a friend, not a small amount of marijuana.
I was going to jump on that, but then I've already been picking on wh for his pot references this week. thanks for picking up the slack.
Defense is optional.
Just tuning in...
Two technicals, before I turned the game on.
UIC up 1 when I turned it on with 4 to play.
A four point play up 5 with 45 seconds to play.
Then an intentional foul?! Away from the ball? When do they call that? And only converting one of those? (I guess it's not like a technical? You don't get to choose who takes it - so maybe he wasn't a great FT shooter.)
Crazy, crazy stuff.
Not sure why UIC called a timeout there. Why not just let Harris go to the line?
UIC came back from 13 down? 15 down? Crazy, crazy stuff.
And then not-Jay Harris goes to the line? What sense is that?
Was Harris worried they had him trapped, was worried about a five count? Odd.
Harris to the line... better. Why couldn't it have been a 7 point game instead of a 1 point game? I definitely don't trust UIC here...
(Not that I really want Oakland eliminated, necessarily. But, who doesn't love an upset? So long as it's not your team!)
Heck, presumably we _prefer_ GB to have to play Oakland...
Well, at least UIC didn't foul Felder sinking that pull-up three.
1.7 seconds?
_Can_ Jay Harris miss?
Nobody ever plays the miss anyway, do they?
Too much risk you'd commit a foul delaying the rebound?
First win _ever_ by UIC over Oakland? Crazy.
And the 2 seeds the one that always loses, right?
Wow... two words...
MARCH MADNESS
That has to be the longest final minute in college basketball history. It must've been like 20 minutes or so.
At least the Horizon League doesn't go all-out like the NCAA tourney. They let us leave the usual advertisements up, say.
In other news, Murray State down 5 with 9 to play!
ESPNU, for those following along at home.
Maybe somebody could shout when the CSU game starts? ESPN doesn't make it so easy to stream two games...
Is this good? They would get an at-large bid.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 06, 2015, 08:17:09 PM
Is this good? They would get an at-large bid.
If they get an at-large, it's pretty much neutral. Maybe slightly negative, in as much as their loss hurts our RPI.
But, you really think they get an at-large? Top 25 does not equal an at-large, even if 25/4 < 7.
I'm sure it'd get people talking, but I'm pretty confident they don't have any kind of chance at an at-large.
Go Morehead State! I think my step-dad even has a degree from there...
A little RPI analysis shows that there is 0 chance that Murray State would even get a tourney bid if they lose this game. That is huge for us. Eliminating a 12 seed competitor far exceeds the concern about a slight RPI drop for Valpo as a result.
In fact, the announcers just specifically called out that likelihood.
Cameron Payne 3... Morehead State air ball.
Ooh, but 4 fouls on Payne - interesting!
* It's settled. Oakland will NOT finish above .500.
* At least their RPI will slowly decrease because they played a tough schedule.
* They should've scheduled Kansas. Maybe that would've prepared them a bit more for the conference tournament.
* 8-year senior Jay Harris was really clutch at the end there.
Did anyone see Cam Payne giving that guy the business on the inbound (picked up a foul)?
Loved that we had a top 25 win vs Murray State, but yeah, if we make the tournament and the selection committee is debating seeds, I'd rather not have them there.
Morehead's doing what Bryce has done sometimes in past seasons... eating too much clock when they should be running the offense. 10 seconds is not enough.
No two for one!
Man, Cam Payne doing it all. And is going to win here... Come on Morehead, you can do this!
Another air ball! At least with enough time for one more prayer... But maybe not enough for the two prayers it'll take if Murray can hit even one FT. Oh well, an exciting intermission, at least.
It's really a neutral if Murray continues to win. Would have been a huge positive had they lost though. Still would be positive if they lose this weekend.
Murray State has had a couple of games like this. I think they may be running out of lives.
Eh, root for them to lose the conference final. The win tonight is better for their and therefore our RPI, and the loss tomorrow would not be as damaging as tonight's would have been.
Heck, if it's EKU, it's kind of a wash anyway!
The King is dead! Long live the King! I love the way the OU pre-conference scheduling helps their conference play.
If they would have had a couple more wins in the occ with the wins they got in conference they could get in the cbi.
Tex will never get to see petrol play again.
Nice to have the commentators talking up the Valpo gameday atmosphere. "It will be _electric_." When Valpo tips off tomorrow in front of what he assumes will be a sold-out house.
And praising our geographic centrality? I assume the former was not continent on the latter.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 06, 2015, 09:22:00 PMTex will never get to see petrol play again.
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Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2015, 09:23:04 PM
Nice to have the commentators talking up the Valpo gameday atmosphere. "It will be _electric_." When Valpo tips off tomorrow in front of what he assumes will be a sold-out house.
And praising our geographic centrality? I assume the former was not continent on the latter.
I sincerely hope the folks in the arena are continent this evening...
Bryce Drew interview coming up here in a moment, during half time.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 06, 2015, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2015, 09:23:04 PM
Nice to have the commentators talking up the Valpo gameday atmosphere. "It will be _electric_." When Valpo tips off tomorrow in front of what he assumes will be a sold-out house.
And praising our geographic centrality? I assume the former was not continent on the latter.
I sincerely hope the folks in the arena are continent this evening...
Blargh. As if Apostle wasn't bad enough.
_Contingent_. Welcome back? ;)
I don't feel much like kicking Oakland when they're down. Everyone, including us, is only 1 off-night away from similar ending.
Yale beat Harvard. Their RPIs just completely switched.
Man, Stutz on EKU is fun to watch. They have some big dudes. Sebastian and the lumberjack.
Loyola is womping Indiana State in Arch Madness. Doesn't really matter since UNI and Murray State are in that conference. Oh so NOW they decide to not wreck everyones RPIs :coffeetime:
CSU and Detroit seem to be using their benches. Hope Detroit keeps it close and they really grind it out.
Looks like we'll play Cleveland State and Lee has wasted his juju on tonight.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 06, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
If they would have had a couple more wins in the occ with the wins they got in conference they could get in the cbi.
Tex will never get to see petrol play again.
Amen! I am curious why we don't reshuffle the matchups to where the 1 seed plays the lowest seed left? I don't know why I thought we would be playing UIC when I saw that Oakland lost, but it would be nice!
Quote from: wh on March 06, 2015, 09:49:28 PM
I don't feel much like kicking Oakland when they're down. Everyone, including us, is only 1 off-night away from similar ending.
Fine, wh, but understand that any future kicking will lack conviction. Me? I'm gonna kick 'em because they lie about the true reason for scheduling power conference foes.
Play like we did last Friday we win easily. Not too worried about tomorrow night, Bryce will have the guys ready.
Valpo 71 Cleveland 57
Reshuffling seeds would make sense. Have to imagine it would be annoying for the HL to pack up and switch sites.
As for the Detroit CSU game: GW seemed to play his starters until a minute left. Hopefully they're pretty warn out for tomorrow.
I thought Cleveland State look awfully good tonight. They may have the best guard combination in the league. Clearly they learned in the last game against us that they need to push the tempo. I'm nervous.
Valpo 68
CSU 62
Pushing the tempo against us will not help them, as we like that style just as much. The games against CSU stay close because they make us run long sets, and we end up taking desperation shots. If they switch to an up-tempo style, that is much more our style than theirs...
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH so excited.
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From the Oakland Press. Is there anything more Kampe could have said to throw freshman Nick Daniels under the bus. He all but blamed Daniels for the loss:
Dante Williams converted a four-point play to pull the Grizzlies within one, 64-63, with 41 seconds left. Oakland freshman Nick Daniels then made a costly mistake when he intentionally fouled UIC's Ahman Fells.
The intentional foul in the final minute gave Fells two free throws and UIC the ball. Fells made one of two and then Jason McClellan hit two free throws to give the Flames a 67-63 lead with 26 seconds left.
"The intentional foul at the end of the game was a huge, huge play," Kampe said. "I told a lot of media people going into this thing, we had seven guys who had never played in a tournament before. One of those guys made that foul. He's still sitting in there believing I told him to do it. That's what we're going through right now.
"We wanted to foul 33 and we wanted to foul him immediately. He took that as just go grab him, didn't realize or didn't know or wasn't thinking or whatever that we can't do that. It was definitely the right call, it was an intentional foul. That was a huge play. It was a one-point game.
"Huge play because there's still going to be 20 seconds left if we just get a foul in a normal spot there," Kampe added. "We're gonna have the ball down three with 20 seconds left and there's still plenty of time to just go get a two or make a 3 because there's still a lot of time left. That was a huge, huge play. It just came as a freshman mistake. I guess I'll take the blame for it."
If I was Daniel's dad and read that I would be telling my son that we're going to be looking for a new school starting tomorrow because that a-hole coach that says 'we win and lose as a team' is a liar. He doesn't have your back and never will.
That's why kampe red shirts all his freshman. I havent seen a roster with more red shirts than oakland, I get it now.
Quote from: sliman on March 06, 2015, 11:18:42 PM
I thought Cleveland State look awfully good tonight. They may have the best guard combination in the league. Clearly they learned in the last game against us that they need to push the tempo. I'm nervous.
Certainly point guard play was instrumental to their win but....Detroit looked very disorganized and defense was haphazard. Howard was frustrated with his coaching based on comments he made to his teammates that I could hear from the floor
Quote from: wh on March 07, 2015, 12:52:35 AMIf I was Daniel's dad and read that I would be telling my son that we're going to be looking for a new school starting tomorrow because that a-hole coach that says 'we win and lose as a team' is a liar. He doesn't have your back and never will.
Yeah, pretty ruthless from Kampe. As a fan, I appreciate his candor, his easygoing style with the press. It's fun, you get a lot of good info, etc.
But, really harsh on a young player.
Talked to Kampe before the game last night... and he could not say enough good things about Tevonn Walker...and that other Walker... which was brought up... because he will have two new players next season... named Walker. OK you play by play guys... take it away.
tx, you are sounding like Billy Packer which is not a good thing. The teams were seeded at the beginning of the tournament and the bracket should stay in place. Reseeding is bogus. UIC earned their way up the bracket and should face GB.
Compare it to this - in the NCAA tournament, should they reseed the teams after each round? If a 16 seed team defeated a 1 seed team, is it sensible that the 16 seed team face the 2 seed? I would say not - the 16 seed earned the right to face the 8 or 9 seed.
Also, IMO, sometimes the seedings may not be correct. I kid you not.
Quote from: agibson on March 07, 2015, 07:39:21 AMYeah, pretty ruthless from Kampe. As a fan, I appreciate his candor, his easygoing style with the press. It's fun, you get a lot of good info, etc.
Blunt yes ruthless no. I might have said it exactly as Kampe did because freshman have so many large gaps in their knowledge! If that means that I am also an a-hole then fine. I will wear it as a badge of honor.
I'm very nervous for this game. Cleveland state wants us bad. They haven't forgotten what happened last Friday when we went into their place and took their right to host. Their pissed.
How are tickets moving?
We should win tonight. We're at home, both teams will be confident.
Last night Detroit played like garbage, tons of open looks for CSU, no matter what team you play if you give 3-point shooters open looks they're gonna score. Detroit wasn't prepared last night for CSU, CSU was prepared for Detroit. Bryce is head and shoulders above McCallum and Valpo will be ready tomorrow.
Come out tonight and hit a few quick shots and jump out to a nice lead that CSU has issues clawing back in.
Key to the game is Vashil, if he plays 30+ minutes we win.
Quote from: truth219 on March 07, 2015, 09:37:19 AM
How are tickets moving?
Looks like they're moving well. First I've checked, so I can't really comment on the pace. But, as a snapshot:
Best single available:
BB row JJ seat 14
Best pair available:
DD row KK seat 16-17
Nothing for sale downstairs.
BB, CC, and DD seem more than half sold, on aggregate.
AA pretty available, and a huge block (row NN and up) that seem not to be for sale (yet?).
Same story for EE.
Hard to know what's being held back, for other teams, or for other purposes.
But, definitely the best advance sales this season. A sell-out seems reasonably likely.
That said, these are session tickets, good for both games? Hopefully departing fans (losing team especially?) don't leave too many holes. Probably there's no way to re-sell them.
Yeah, tickets are for both games. Kind of nervous about Cleveland State as well, they have the ability to turn it on and both games this year has been close. Hoping for a great atmosphere. In the end, I think we pull it out.
Thoughts:
The UIC Oakland game was insane. Credit to UIC. I walked in late and Oakland was up about 15-3 and I thought it was over before it got started. The GB UIC game tonight is incredibly intriguing. Never thought I'd say this but I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames play Tuesday.
In the second game, it loomed to me like Detroit lost the first half and CSU won the second. Not that Detroit played well either half. Committed like 20 turnovers.
We'll have de facto home court advantage, and hopefully that will swing some officiating toward our favor. Critical given CSU play style. Gotta make our free throws.
Will CSU continue to shoot lights out from 3? I hope they can't keep that up because 3P accuracy will be vital if the game pace slows. Also, will the Vikings feed off momentum, or will fatigue set in? Waters kept his starters in until :34 last night. Will he pay for it tonight? If you're Bryce, do you push the tempo?
Regarding first game tickets, I could see both UIC and GB selling pretty well, given geographic proximity. I assume GB has a sizable alumni base in Chicagoland, and both teams travelled pretty well in the 2013 tourney. We'll see how many stick around for the nightcap.
Should be fun.
Detroit's defense was awful last night. I didn't watch the whole game but from the times I did CSU had easy shots, they didn't have many open looks against Valpo. Lewis and Lee are their big perimeter threats, we have defenders that can mirror them quite well in KC/EVN and Tevonn. I think we win, our style of play matches up well with CSU. Last Friday we were patient and waited for shots we wanted and we hit them, no need to settle. Bryce will have the guys ready, it'll be a tough game, probably physical which benefits Valpo some because CSU played last night. Wonder it they'll have any nagging injuries from yesterday.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some full court press early on, they started it late last game and through the offense through a loop. I would imagine Bryce will have the guys prepared for that.
I really hope we blow them out of the water. Doubt that'll be the case based on CSU keeps games low scoring. If the game does turn into a shootout we win.
Somewhat unrelated, but blackpantheruwm had this to say about the HL tournament in Valpo over on the GB board:
"This is something else that can't be understated about Valpo: the Horizon League takes over the town during the tournament. I highly, highly, highly recommend leaving Friday morning, enjoying the day in Valpo, checking out the games Friday night (so nice without a dog in the fight), watch some conference tournament action elsewhere at BW3's or some other bar, going to the two semifinals, then leaving Sunday morning ready to maybe return Tuesday.
It's so cool seeing fans from all the different schools in town. You got a taste of hosting which was nice, and we've done it a few times, but there's something about Valpo that is kinda special for the tournament - I prefer it even to the tourneys at Hinkle Fieldhouse, probably because bars were far from Butler's campus."
What's the Vegas line looking like? Valpo by 5?
Quote from: classof2014 on March 07, 2015, 10:42:42 AMI wouldn't be surprised to see some full court press early on, they started it late last game and through the offense through a loop. I would imagine Bryce will have the guys prepared for that.
I thought we handled the press well in the first CSU game, and other times when we've seen it this season (WSU? did even OAK try?). It didn't go quite as smoothly in the game @CSU. Made me a little nervous.
Hopefully we return to our assured ball handling tonight.
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Kinda off topic, but I was wondering if anybody knows how many seats are in a row in section "E"? I know B, C, D have 17 seats but E is much smaller. I bought my tickets two days ago and got row D in section E. I know crap corner seats of visiting bench, but only 4 rows up.
Quote from: gamelord on March 07, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Kinda off topic, but I was wondering if anybody knows how many seats are in a row in section "E"? I know B, C, D have 17 seats but E is much smaller. I bought my tickets two days ago and got row D in section E. I know crap corner seats of visiting bench, but only 4 rows up.
Ah, sneaky. Since that section's sold out there's no easy way to tell through the ticketing web site.
Though I notice tickets are continuing to sell this morning.
Best single available: Section DD, row KK, 18
Best pair: DD, MM, 14-15
CBS New York- A nice article about Alec Peters and the tournament.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/valparaiso-forward-alec-peters-shines-in-regular-season-finale/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/valparaiso-forward-alec-peters-shines-in-regular-season-finale/)
How about that guy who air balled the half court shot, what a bum!
Quote from: HC on March 07, 2015, 11:58:46 AM
How about that guy who air balled the half court shot, what a bum!
I'm not sure if you're talking about Felder (it was Felder, right?) or the HL promotion!
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 06, 2015, 09:39:51 PMQuote from: agibson on March 06, 2015, 09:23:04 PMNice to have the commentators talking up the Valpo gameday atmosphere. "It will be _electric_." When Valpo tips off tomorrow in front of what he assumes will be a sold-out house. And praising our geographic centrality? I assume the former was not continent on the latter.
I sincerely hope the folks in the arena are continent this evening...
I know one thing if I had read that joke last night I would have had to run for the ARC restroom. ;D
That would be some kind of ARC-mosphere! :o
Quote from: gamelord on March 07, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Kinda off topic, but I was wondering if anybody knows how many seats are in a row in section "E"? I know B, C, D have 17 seats but E is much smaller. I bought my tickets two days ago and got row D in section E. I know crap corner seats of visiting bench, but only 4 rows up.
Hey, you're 4 rows off the court at corner court at a jammed packed ARC watching your young, exciting Crusaders play a do-or-die tournament game. Fans of teams that play in big arenas would kill for seats like that. Here's to a big Crusader victory tonight. :cheers:
I was referring to my halftime air ball...but Felders shot was even further off
Ok just spotted something that can and needs to be resolved in the future. I would link (if I knew how) the Calendar sports -- TODAY'S TV/RADIO HIGHLIGHTS for today's Post Trib on page 4. Anyway there are a number of games, events listed with their radio or TV coverages and including the IHSAA girls state finals, Flyers at Bruins, Sprint Cup practice, and EPL: Tottenham vs. Queens Park. What is not listed in the College Basketball section is any mention of the game of highest interest for northwest Indiana basketball fans which will be live on ESPNU from the ARC.
How do we allow crap like this to happen and who at the Post Trib do I need to send a picture of my behind to?
Quote from: HC on March 07, 2015, 12:32:19 PM
I was referring to my halftime air ball...but Felders shot was even further off
Nice! You won the drawing! Was it a drawing? Was there a consolation prize?
gamelord-I believer there are 8 or 9 seats in lower section E
Quote from: justducky on March 07, 2015, 12:35:14 PM
Ok just spotted something that can and needs to be resolved in the future. I would link (if I knew how) the Calendar sports -- TODAY'S TV/RADIO HIGHLIGHTS for today's Post Trib on page 4. Anyway there are a number of games, events listed with their radio or TV coverages and including the IHSAA girls state finals, Flyers at Bruins, Sprint Cup practice, and EPL: Tottenham vs. Queens Park. What is not listed in the College Basketball section is any mention of the game of highest interest for northwest Indiana basketball fans which will be live on ESPNU from the ARC.
How do we allow crap like this to happen and who at the Post Trib do I need to send a picture of my behind to?
On a similar note, did the NWI Times even run a gameday piece? When I looked this morning I couldn't find one.
Should there be a game link? Who usually starts those. I'm one of those sports guys who likes things to be done the same every game....
Quote from: gamelord on March 07, 2015, 11:51:40 AM
CBS New York- A nice article about Alec Peters and the tournament.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/valparaiso-forward-alec-peters-shines-in-regular-season-finale/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/valparaiso-forward-alec-peters-shines-in-regular-season-finale/)
Nice piece. Likes us for a 13 seed, if we win, and likes Alec for pre-season player of the year.
I suppose it'll have to wait until after the HL tournament until we get start seeing an uptick in profiles like his. Knock on wood.
NWI Times ran an article about Jay Harris on page 6 of the sports section. Not another word about the tournament or Valpo. I wrote an email to the sports editor last week complaining about the lack of coverage. I guess high school sectional coverage sells more paper.
Now in Valpo and really looking forward to the game. Great weather and a near capacity crowd is expected. Was able to watch our walk through and also spoke briefly to Bryce. Everyone is healthy. Oh, and there was a nice article by Psul about Jay Harris and UIC's win this morning (on page 6) but zero about tonight's game. :(
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Now in Valpo and really looking forward to the game. Great weather and a near capacity crowd is expected. Was able to watch our walk through and also spoke briefly to Bryce. Everyone is healthy. Oh, and there was a nice article by Psul about Jay Harris and UIC's win this morning (on page 6) but zero about tonight's game. :(
Ah, there it is. Thanks. More of a HL-tourney piece than a Valpo game day piece, but not bad.
I didn't realize it was the _NCAA_ trophy! I saw it on twitter, etc. and thought it was just the HL trophy out for an early stroll.
Quote from: agibson on March 07, 2015, 02:37:04 PMNWI Times ran an article about Jay Harris on page 6 of the sports section. Not another word about the tournament or Valpo. I wrote an email to the sports editor last week complaining about the lack of coverage.
Nothing in the Post-Trib either but both ran what seemed like considerable coverage over the course of the week. Maybe they had writers cramp?
I take the lack of mention in the on air radio-tv coverage as a slap in the face. Hey they didn't forget to list DePaul at Marquette because hey they might be the 140th and 160th best teams in the country facing off with everything at stake and a handful of local fans interested! Something from the back of my mind tells me that they made this same ommission at least one of the other times we hosted. So however they addressed the problem then it apparently had no lasting effect.
Hey I don't want to get uppity because I realize those are real BB programs from a real conference not some phony-balony wanna be conference like the Horizon.
Separate question. Are there really more NW indiana BB fans interested in the Clemson at ND 3PM tipoff on WCIU-DT 26.2, WLS-AM 890 than for VU vs CSU? I would argue that there isn't and if by some slight margin there is then I think I may have already proposed the solution!
They're apparently building a giant bracket on the JW Marriott Hotel in Downtown Indy. Would be cool to see Valpo on it. I snapped a pic today:
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Butt in seat. Can't wait for games to start. I love tournament time.
On lack of tv/radio mention of the ESPNU game....
Are we paranoid?....... or is there a really weird vibe between Valparaiso anything and da region? Maybe it is just crappy journalism. I suspect that's all it is.
UIC 30 UWGB 29 Half!!! the revenge of Jay
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UIC 30 UWGB 29 Half!!! the revenge of Jay
And the continuation of the #2-seed curse?
Wasn't close with two minutes to play.
So, I wonder what ESPNU's going to do about this KY women's game with five minutes to play...
Is WVUR streaming working for anyone? Anyone have any luck with recent games? It's been a good while since I tried it.
it's working.....
WVUR? Huh. On a PC I suppose? I tried a few mac methods, no luck.
Students sound pretty good on ESPN. D Walker!
D Walker 7 - CSU 0! Woo-hoo!
If CSU wants to miss reasonably open 3's, that's OK for me. Much better than yesterday's 3PT% numbers.
Vashil lucky not to get called for #2 there?
No, on the replay, the play I was worried about was clean. Not sure who got tagged with the foul on subsequent play.
David Skara with the block! Pretty good D, but got to keep it up...
Hand check blocking fouls?
Well, I'm glad everybody's at the ARC! Hope Tevonn's OK...
Gotta stretch this lead, while CSU's quiet...
These refs are not consistent.
Interesting choice of foul calls tonight, for sure... And seems like every steal, for either side, is promptly followed by a turnover...
At least Carter didn't foul him on that pull-up 3...
Jabril is hurting us all over.
How we have more fouls than them?
No 2 for 1! Gave them the layup and 2-for-1.... Argh! Momentum would be nice...
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E Vic and Skara both chipping in effectively.
I really hope Tevonn's OK - but we have a lot of tools.
Valpo no kind of dominant. Back and forth, runs both ways. Maybe doing enough, but would be nice to find another gear. And to get Vashil back.
best pirate feed i've found:
http://www.firstrowsports.cc/watch/327729/1/watch-cleveland-state-vs-valparaiso.html#.VPu9OWTF_qM (http://www.firstrowsports.cc/watch/327729/1/watch-cleveland-state-vs-valparaiso.html#.VPu9OWTF_qM)
difference in the game: CSU 9-12 FTs...us, 0-2.
If that's even EVEN, EVN, in the second half, we win in a walk.
We need t. Walker. Another scoring option and someone who can go grab a rebound. He's too strong for CSU guards.
ESPN not pretending anything with respect to their tape-delayed game. Showing us highlights of UIC - Green Bay (and Murray State going down, and KY, etc.)
Todd saying that Tevonn's knee looks serious :( We can do it without him, but I sure would prefer to have him in mid-season form! Who's going to cut for the home run pass?!?
We need him this game and for Tuesday.
Grady and Lee for Cleveland State are playing much better than a week ago.
Someone has to step up for Tevonn.
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These refs are not consistent.
Is this the crew that did the first Oakland game?
Tevonn doesn't come out of the locker room...
Alec Peters! Well, bucket and a foul...
Commentators talking up Waters coaching adjustment for Grady, from last week...
D Walker! Does Alec get an assist on that? Alley-oop by way of 3PT attempt?
That's two in and out! Alec and Vashil...
Lewis trying to pull a Peters? Let's no let him get his 10...
Is it an ankle or a knee for T Walker?
ARC looks OK. Pretty full up top. But not really rocking. Not like Senior Night, say. How's it feel in there live?
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Is it an ankle or a knee for T Walker?
Seems like we've heard both. But, sounds like right knee.
I have seen worse officiated games than this one.
Peters... and 1!
I notice the students are in the usual student section. Maybe slightly compressed?
It's 10! Now just get to 51!
Last t.walker with a brace on the knee and crutches.
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Last t.walker with a brace on the knee and crutches.
But still in his uniform!
Sometimes with Peters in the post it's like he's _just_ there for the offensive rebound. But, hey, it worked that time.
CSU down to one timeout?
Not a good foul for Carter. 48-39, 8 to play.
Refs won't go a travel.
No a bad foul on Vashil.
Nice of the ref to bail out Vashil there.
Nice for the new Soccer Sunday to be getting all this advertising love. Maybe only on ESPN3?
Guards gotta be careful with the ball pressure...
It's not over, keep the D up valpo.
Big game from Peters, stepping up to replace T's scoring. 18 with 5 to play. Forcing it a little more than usual, but not too bad. Yet.
51! and 10! A long time coming on that 51...
We totally need a vine of Vashil working the screen jogging down the court. Against Lewis, is it? Clearing the way for the ball handler.
Has, what, 20 inch height advantage? Like he's walking backwards up an escalator.
If Vashil can keep hitting some FT's, 50% from the line could come up big tonight.
I enjoyed the 9 point lead. We are starting to stand around on offense.
Based the ESPU telecast, is Viagra an official sponsor of the Horizon league?
Debby downer on Twitter, feel like I should post it since we're missing our usual Henny Pennies here.
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Game stoppage is going to kill this sport. .. Time Out. .. Guess what. ... Another time out. .... How about a time out during this time out
Lewis can shoot that step-back.
Did we mention CSU with no timeouts?
And the award for "Least Comfortable I've Ever Felt In a Game Valpo Never Trailed By More than 1" goes to...
Gotta tighten up on the defense...don't like Lewis getting hot at the end...
For a team that takes a lot of time outs, we sure run some aimless crap coming outta them.
Gotta hit these... and _defend_.
Big charge call. D walker? On the pass - don't see that often.
_There_ was the crowd! On their feet! Noisy! CSU no time-out! 6th man!
Lewis is going to get another look... but a step-back.
Or maybe not. (I get Lee and Lewis terribly confused.. who has the step-back?)
No Tevonn for the home run :(
We really don't want Jubril at the line here. Adekoya- prove me wrong!
Key Vashil block on that last CSU possession.
See you in the ARC on Tuesday Night!!!
It's 12:40, essentially, because of EST meeting EDT.
And I have to play & sing the 7 AM Mass.
But it's a heaven of a lot easier doing so after we win.
Valpo wins! Valpo wins!
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It's 12:40, essentially, because of EST meeting EDT.
And I have to play & sing the 7 AM Mass.
But it's a heaven of a lot easier doing so after we win.
I hear you, I've got to be on shift in seven hours.
CSU played hard. Showed some real quality in places. Grady's great game from around the FT line. Lewis, or Lee, or whichever one it was with the step-back threes.
A worthy opponent. On to GB!
whew! Peters and Grady played great. Fernandez came through at the end!
Team showed a lot of guts to pull this one out!
My daughter has dance competition in the morning.
3 wins against Cleveland State... Back to the finals. Hopefully Tevonn is alright and its just precautionary.
Alec with a huge game, 22 points, 8 boards.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 07, 2015, 10:45:36 PMBack to the finals. Hopefully Tevonn is alright and its just precautionary.
Todd's talking about maybe Tevonn in the post-season, if it's not as bad as he thinks :(
E Vic on Sykes?
Luke doesn't expect Tevonn Tuesday. Calls it a "real injury".
Says Alec was fouled on every missed shot. Being held all game - couldn't keep his shirt tucked in.
Calls out Sykes as a second round draft pick, at least.
And nice testimonial on team defense. Paraphrased, "Going to be huge missing Tevonn [defensively]. But you try to tell E Victor he's not a great defender. Try to tell Keither Carter that. Vashil thinks he's a great defender. Jubril thinks he's a great defender. We pride ourselves on that." Luke said it better than I can paraphrase...
Valpo won this game. Made some big FTs, which really allowed us to keep the lead. Shut down Lewis for the most part, hit some late 3s but that was it. This team shuts down scorers, EVN and KC did a fantastic job after Tevonn went down early. From what it sounds like he's doubtful for Tuesday but it is postseason and maybe they're just saying that but my guess is he'll be in a jump-suit. We've been able to shut-down Sykes in the previous two games, which I think we'll do again Tuesday.
Funny how the two worst FT shooting teams in the league are the two best.
Excited for Tuesday! Great win. Time to take care of business!
Great win. Tough defense the entire night. Made free throws when needed.
I must point this out, however. Valpo was very fortunate that Peters did not get called for traveling on his key driving basket down the stretch. He must have taken at least 4 steps to the basket.
Max Joseph will need to take some of Tevonn's minutes on Tuesday. I saw that we moved Keith to SG after the injury, having E Victor and Keith on the court at the same time. This actually works pretty well in regards to being pressured, having 2 PGs on the floor at the same time that can also shoot/drive to the basket. I will take Vashil shooting 50% from the FT line, especially when he makes 3 of his last 4! A very good win, and I look forward to a packed house on Tuesday!
I agree that Peters traveled on that drive to get us back to a 3 point lead...
Funny that the two worst FT shooting teams in the conference were the two best.
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I think that it's interesting that Waters thinks that the game should have had more fouls called, since his team usually benefits immensely from holding onto offensive players!
We need t. Walker who can penetrate and slash the lane against uwgb
I just hope he didn't tear anything which is what I think had happened...
Great to see TR Harlan at the game tonight... Dick would have loved this... and I think Dave Schroeder and the "V" Man helped those Vashil's free throws go it...
To all the folks in the ticket office... I'm sorry you had to work late tonight and tomorrow... WHAT AM I SAYING??? NO I'm not sorry!! set your clocks ahead... let's spring forward.
The HL office got their wish... now let's give them a great show on Tuesday night... with a great crowd!
Assuming Walker either tore his ACL, MCL, our meniscus. Either way he's not coming back Tuesday, and unless he's just removing his meniscus he's probably out for all of next year.
Quote from: talksalot on March 07, 2015, 11:46:58 PMGreat to see TR Harlan at the game tonight... Dick would have loved this... and I think Dave Schroeder and the "V" Man helped those Vashil's free throws go it...
And Phyllis in the house to celebrate them - spotted sitting behind Homer.
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 07, 2015, 11:01:34 PMvery fortunate that Peters did not get called for traveling on his key driving basket down the stretch. He must have taken at least 4 steps to the basket.
2, maybe 2.5 ... it was beautiful, Kominsky-esque footwork and reach.
Quote from: a3uge on March 07, 2015, 11:48:58 PM
Assuming Walker either tore his ACL, MCL, our meniscus. Either way he's not coming back Tuesday, and unless he's just removing his meniscus he's probably out for all of next year.
Ugh we can never catch a break when it come to injuries.
He did walk through the handshake line without the crutches (he says hopefully).
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Can't be more than 250 people here 5 min before tipoff. Tevonn sitting incognito with a bud in the Valpo student section.
Should be noted that tevonn is with a friend, not a small amount of marijuana or an Inbev beer.
FIFY
Quote from: frontrowfan on March 07, 2015, 02:48:48 PMsectional coverage sells more paper.
Didn't Michael Scott say that at "The Office?" Or was "that's what she said."
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but did anyone else notice the Cleveland St. mascot at the last two games? I've got to give the guy, or girl, some credit. Between high fiving fans, doing one hand push ups, trying to get girls' phone numbers, and all the other antics, I thought the mascot was really good. Watching him made some of the time outs a little more interesting.
Perhaps it is legal in Quebec.
Quote from: bbtds on March 08, 2015, 01:44:16 AMQuote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2015, 06:39:25 PMQuote from: wh on March 06, 2015, 06:00:59 PMCan't be more than 250 people here 5 min before tipoff. Tevonn sitting incognito with a bud in the Valpo student section.
Should be noted that tevonn is with a friend, not a small amount of marijuana or an Inbev beer.
FIFY
I watched the replay of Tevonn's injury. It was not a result of "the way the game was played," according to Waters.
Tevonn was simply guarding his man along the right baseline. Tevonn may have done a weird twist on the drive, or the player may have hit Tevonn's knee while jumping up to shoot.
After it happened, you can see Tevonn visibly limping around for another 3-4 seconds until a foul was committed. He never went down, that's how tough Tevonn is.
As for some of the newspaper bashing going on, 8:30 p.m TV starts on the night of "springing forward" isn't doing any favors for writer deadlines.
The Times at least had two stories in today's print edition. The Post, none. But I know most of you on here simply read stories online, which of course is the future of newspapers.
Here is where basketball officials are just crazy, if this is an accurate statement from Gary Waters:
"(Valparaiso) deserves a chance to go to the NCAA tournament. If (Walker' s injury) is what holds them back, it's too bad," Waters said. "That happened because of the way the game was called. I told the officials someone was going to get hurt. They said they'd change the way they were calling it. You see what happened."
Change the way they were calling it? A foul is a foul is a foul. You don't pick and choose when and where to apply the rules. One play in the second half, a foul was called on a Peters drive to the basket ... on the THIRD foul of the play. It was just ridiculous. I know all teams get away with way too much fouling, but Cleveland State gets away with so much it's just ridiculous. Waters has nothing to complain about.
I saw the banner --- who is the "V" man?
Quote from: talksalot on March 07, 2015, 11:46:58 PMGreat to see TR Harlan at the game tonight... Dick would have loved this... and I think Dave Schroeder and the "V" Man helped those Vashil's free throws go it... To all the folks in the ticket office... I'm sorry you had to work late tonight and tomorrow... WHAT AM I SAYING??? NO I'm not sorry!! set your clocks ahead... let's spring forward. The HL office got their wish... now let's give them a great show on Tuesday night... with a great crowd!
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Quote from: Valpo89 on March 08, 2015, 10:37:27 AMAs for some of the newspaper bashing going on, 8:30 p.m TV starts on the night of "springing forward" isn't doing any favors for writer deadlines.
The Times at least had two stories in today's print edition. The Post, none. But I know most of you on here simply read stories online, which of course is the future of newspapers.
I do notice the Times has a digital-only subscription for just $10 a month. Presumably with no long-term commitment.
The Post Trib, in their latest Chicago Tribune-hosted incarnation, actually seems to still encourage free browsing of their non-Premium content. I think I've only bumped into one "DigitalPlus" premium article I wanted to read re basketball, so far.
Has anything official come out about Tevonn's injury. All I've heard is he injured his knee. Yes it could be major but it also could be a sprain. I didn't see what occurred on the play. But let's not all jump to conclusions about Tevonn's knee.
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Has anything official come out about Tevonn's injury. All I've heard is he injured his knee. Yes it could be major but it also could be a sprain. I didn't see what occurred on the play. But let's not all jump to conclusions about Tevonn's knee.
Fair enough - and Coach Gore in the post-game with Todd was quick to say that he'd wait for the MRI's, etc. But, he didn't sound at all optimistic.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 07, 2015, 10:26:55 PMBased the ESPU telecast, is Viagra an official sponsor of the Horizon league?
Maybe if Cialis was the sponsor Valpo would have stiffened their defense a little sooner?
Quote from: a3uge on March 07, 2015, 11:48:58 PMAssuming Walker either tore his ACL, MCL, our meniscus. Either way he's not coming back Tuesday, and unless he's just removing his meniscus he's probably out for all of next year.
You sound like my wife. If Tevonn makes a bunch of errors then's he's
my favorite player but if he injures himself then it's
our meniscus. Sheesh!
Quote from: classof2014 on March 08, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
Has anything official come out about Tevonn's injury. All I've heard is he injured his knee. Yes it could be major but it also could be a sprain. I didn't see what occurred on the play. But let's not all jump to conclusions about Tevonn's knee.
A sprain is a tear.
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Quote from: classof2014 on March 08, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
Has anything official come out about Tevonn's injury. All I've heard is he injured his knee. Yes it could be major but it also could be a sprain. I didn't see what occurred on the play. But let's not all jump to conclusions about Tevonn's knee.
A sprain is a tear.
If it's a sprain there's the possibility that he'll still play. If it's a major sprain he's done for the rest of this season but will be fine for next season. People saying that he's gonna be missing all of next season based on the fact that he missed the rest of the game and the coaches don't think he'll play against GB is pretty silly.
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Quote from: usc4valpo on March 07, 2015, 10:26:55 PMBased the ESPU telecast, is Viagra an official sponsor of the Horizon league?
Maybe if Cialis was the sponsor Valpo would have stiffened their defense a little sooner?
in the case of a full-court press lasting four hours or longer, high-five a buddy
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 07, 2015, 09:25:49 PMdifference in the game: CSU 9-12 FTs...us, 0-2.
If that's even EVEN, EVN, in the second half, we win in a walk.
well it wasn't quite a walk, but it certainly turned the tide.
The pre-game Crusader Club pep rally was full of fans, and Homer served as cheerleader. It was good to see some folks from the forum, and I have posted a gallery with about a dozen of my photos for everyone to play "Where's Waldo?" as you look for yourself or friends.
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Stupid. I imagine in a couple years they'll make everyone wear black "Horizon League" shirts and require the center court logo be covered up. Valpo seems to let itself get pushed around. The league wants us to have a home game, but not an actual home-home game. We seem to face sanctions whenever we host the tournament while the other schools don't have to change anything.
The rules are the same for *everyone*. How are we being singled out??
I do agree with your underlying point. I have always said that if the conference is going to hype the "home court" advantage for higher seeds, they shouldn't mitigate it out of ... what, a guilty conscience? Trying to have their cake and eat it too? Who knows.
But I don't feel that Valpo is being singled out on this.
We're the only school that has had the first 3 rows taken away for an absurdly long media table and the only school that has had half of their student section seats taken away. They seemingly invented that rule once Valpo hosted, and hadn't enforced it in the past (Wright State). It just makes zero sense and ends up making everything look ridiculous on TV.
I think that's because our arena requires such things. If we had a better endzone bleacher situation, we wouldn't feel so singled out. The conference did not make us give up the larger student section for a smaller one. They levied the exact same restriction on us as on every other host. The makeshift bleachers we installed on our end of the court just didn't have the same capacity.
Also, the ARC's courtside seating is bad because it is right next to the court. The only way to make room for the media table last year was to eliminate a couple of chairback rows.
They didn't single us out. The limitations of our arena single us out.
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Stupid. I imagine in a couple years they'll make everyone wear black "Horizon League" shirts and require the center court logo be covered up. Valpo seems to let itself get pushed around. The league wants us to have a home game, but not an actual home-home game. We seem to face sanctions whenever we host the tournament while the other schools don't have to change anything.
The rules are the same for *everyone*. How are we being singled out??
I do agree with your underlying point. I have always said that if the conference is going to hype the "home court" advantage for higher seeds, they shouldn't mitigate it out of ... what, a guilty conscience? Trying to have their cake and eat it too? Who knows.
But I don't feel that Valpo is being singled out on this.
We're the only school that has had the first 3 rows taken away for an absurdly long media table and the only school that has had half of their student section seats taken away. They seemingly invented that rule once Valpo hosted, and hadn't enforced it in the past (Wright State). It just makes zero sense and ends up making everything look ridiculous on TV.
I think that's because our arena requires such things. If we had a better endzone bleacher situation, we wouldn't feel so singled out. The conference did not make us give up the larger student section for a smaller one. They levied the exact same restriction on us as on every other host. The makeshift bleachers we installed on our end of the court just didn't have the same capacity.
Also, the ARC's courtside seating is bad because it is right next to the court. The only way to make room for the media table last year was to eliminate a couple of chairback rows.
They didn't single us out. The limitations of our arena single us out.
Well they actually didn't make us switch student sections this year, and they got rid of the ridiculous media table, realizing its good enough to have the media sit up 10 rows like pretty much every other stadium. So no harm no foul.
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 07, 2015, 11:01:34 PMI must point this out, however. Valpo was very fortunate that Peters did not get called for traveling on his key driving basket down the stretch. He must have taken at least 4 steps to the basket.
Amen.
Then again, Charlie Lee (or was it Trey Lewis) took about 10 steps in their game Friday against Detroit and didn't get called for it. It was hilarious. Peters' sojourn looked legitimate by comparison.
And of course in both cases, the guy driving to the basket got fouled 3 times on the way to their destination, so -- I mean, really...
My ref grade for the 4 games this weekend was C+. My ref grade for last night's 2nd game: D-. Those guys were horrible. Remarkably, it was Waters who called them out in his postgame presser after saying something very classy about T. Walker being lost to Valpo (probably) for Tuesday. He said he told them if they keep calling it that way someone's going to get hurt.
Of course he couldn't help himself but to point out that Valpo shot 21 FTs in the 2nd half to CSU's 2 ;) Frankly, there were plenty of CSU fouls they didn't call, plus some Valpo fouls they didn't call. I didn't notice, but someone here pointed out that CSU got all the FT attempts in the first half. I'm sure Gary blocked that out of his memory since it didn't help his tangent.
Quote from: a3uge on March 08, 2015, 03:23:33 PMWell they actually didn't make us switch student sections this year, and they got rid of the ridiculous media table, realizing its good enough to have the media sit up 10 rows like pretty much every other stadium. So no harm no foul.
Because the conference changed the rule on student sections. I was pleasantly surprised.
It did look like they still subtracted the first chairback row, but maybe I was seeing things.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 08, 2015, 10:37:27 AMI watched the replay of Tevonn's injury. It was not a result of "the way the game was played," according to Waters.
Tevonn was simply guarding his man along the right baseline. Tevonn may have done a weird twist on the drive, or the player may have hit Tevonn's knee while jumping up to shoot.
I watched in this morning and my guess he knocked knees with a CSU player. Certainly nothing malicious.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 08, 2015, 10:45:05 AMChange the way they were calling it? A foul is a foul is a foul. You don't pick and choose when and where to apply the rules. One play in the second half, a foul was called on a Peters drive to the basket ... on the THIRD foul of the play. It was just ridiculous. I know all teams get away with way too much fouling, but Cleveland State gets away with so much it's just ridiculous. Waters has nothing to complain about.
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Quote from: a3uge on March 08, 2015, 03:23:33 PMWell they actually didn't make us switch student sections this year, and they got rid of the ridiculous media table, realizing its good enough to have the media sit up 10 rows like pretty much every other stadium. So no harm no foul.
Because the conference changed the rule on student sections. I was pleasantly surprised.
It did look like they still subtracted the first chairback row, but maybe I was seeing things.
The media table was in place on Monday and displaced the first three rows. However, ESPN noticed the table blocked camera views along the sideline, including players' feet on 3-point shots from the corner. Therefore, the media were moved back to their spot on the track above the chair backs. Instead, banners were placed along the first row, and it was the only one lost for seating.
Is there any possibility Tevonn plays Tuesday? Is everyone just overreacting?
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Quote from: a3uge on March 08, 2015, 03:23:33 PMWell they actually didn't make us switch student sections this year, and they got rid of the ridiculous media table, realizing its good enough to have the media sit up 10 rows like pretty much every other stadium. So no harm no foul.
Because the conference changed the rule on student sections. I was pleasantly surprised.
It did look like they still subtracted the first chairback row, but maybe I was seeing things.
The media table was in place on Monday and displaced the first three rows. However, ESPN noticed the table blocked camera views along the sideline, including players' feet on 3-point shots from the corner. Therefore, the media were moved back to their spot on the track above the chair backs. Instead, banners were placed along the first row, and it was the only one lost for seating.
I'm a former FB coach. And I always preferred to see things from a little higher than sideline AKA 'court side." Why don't they set up the press on the track and wipe out 3-4 rows of upper bleachers (or go lower to the last two/three rows of the lower section)? Heck, it's only and additional 40'-50', but it provides a wide-angle view. But then the press wouldn't get to hear the swearing.
Looking at both Lexus and Tevonn on crutches last night, I was reminded that not too long ago Nickerson and Carter were moving around on crutches. Yet, last night the two of them combined for 61 minutes of play. Together, they only had 9 points, but they accounted for 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block, with just 3 turnovers, none by Carter. Neither player is at 100% health yet; however, they have been important in getting Valpo to the regular season championship and now to the tournament final. I'm still wondering how good this team could be if all are healthy next year!
Quote from: valpopal on March 08, 2015, 04:48:47 PMLooking at both Lexus and Tevonn on crutches last night, I was reminded that not too long ago Nickerson and Carter were moving around on crutches. Yet, last night the two of them combined for 61 minutes of play. Together, they only had 9 points, but they accounted for 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block, with just 3 turnovers, none by Carter. Neither player is at 100% health yet;
Nickerson is playing extremely well and could just now be showing us what we might be able to expect next season. His upside could be much larger than even I had expected. In my mind Carter is still only at 85 or 90% of his pre injury level and I am hopeful that he might regain (or surpass) that 100% level soon.
Anyone else very dissapointed with attendance? Only 3,629 for a semi final game on a Saturday night...
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 08, 2015, 03:36:43 PMQuote from: vu84v2 on March 07, 2015, 11:01:34 PM
I must point this out, however. Valpo was very fortunate that Peters did not get called for traveling on his key driving basket down the stretch. He must have taken at least 4 steps to the basket.
Amen.
We've got a vine now
https://vine.co/v/OEDr99jharq
(we still need one of Vashil bulldozing the on-ball defender over the timeline!)
Maybe someone more careful than I can take a look. It _might_ be just 2, 2.5, steps.
Quote from: justducky on March 08, 2015, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: valpopal on March 08, 2015, 04:48:47 PMLooking at both Lexus and Tevonn on crutches last night, I was reminded that not too long ago Nickerson and Carter were moving around on crutches. Yet, last night the two of them combined for 61 minutes of play. Together, they only had 9 points, but they accounted for 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block, with just 3 turnovers, none by Carter. Neither player is at 100% health yet;
Nickerson is playing extremely well and could just now be showing us what we might be able to expect next season. His upside could be much larger than even I had expected. In my mind Carter is still only at 85 or 90% of his pre injury level and I am hopeful that he might regain (or surpass) that 100% level soon.
I've never seen a 6-9 point guard chasing around a 5-9 (with platform shoes) streaky fast point guard and staying up with him the way EVN did last night. One of my group pointed it out in amazement and we all agreed that there's no way he could keep that up the whole game. We were wrong. He was on him like glue the whole night, fighting through multiple screens the way Tevonn normally does, and he seemed just as strong and energized at the end as he was an hour earlier. Just an amazing performance by EVN!
By the way, the 2014-15 team has become the antithesis of the 2012-13 team in terms of physicality. This team is no longer about out scoring opponents. They are the biggest, strongest team in the conference and they are clearly all about wearing the opponent down. Even Alec has learned to use his size and strength to lean on his man, hook arms, leverage his man away from the block with his lower body, etc. Two people that may have been more physical than anyone on the court last night were Jubril and Darien. Jubril at 6-7, 235, 0 body fat :) uses great lower body leverage and his man is constantly trying to unlock his arms from Jubril's. Darien is just a street brawler, not someone I would want to mess with.
IMO this is the biggest reason to have hope that we can win a game or 2 in the Tournament if we can get past GB on Tuesday. We're not a typical mid major that has to rely on "getting hot from 3" in order to have a chance to pull an upset against a bigger, stronger opponent. If we go in as a 12 or 13, no one in that 4-5 range is going to intimidate us physically.
Edit: Fixed
Darien's name... ;)
Quote from: Valpofan00 on March 08, 2015, 06:17:12 PMAnyone else very dissapointed with attendance? Only 3,629 for a semi final game on a Saturday night...
I thought we would be pushing closer to a full house but the 3629 figure must be misleading because of seating adjustments and or free tickets for league officials, participants, etc? At 4:30 yesterday I took a final look and there were maybe 700 unsold seats so I don't see how we could have gotten paid attendance much above 4350. What was it with a significant number of missing people in the chair backs? Are they waiting for a big game before they bother to show?
Here are my vines, lemme know if you want any more:
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[tweet]574713807026569217[/tweet]
[tweet]574722150017339392[/tweet]
If anything, the chairbacks were about as full as they ever have been.
And, who is Derrik?
Quote from: wh on March 08, 2015, 06:38:51 PMTwo people that may have been more physical than anyone on the court last night were Jubril and Derrik. Jubril at 6-7, 235, 0 body fat :) uses great lower body leverage and his man is constantly trying to unlock his arms from Jubril's. Derrik is just a street brawler, not someone I would want to mess with.
I'm confused. Are you talking about Derek Sloan who got one minute for CSU last night? Or are you maybe talking about recruit Derrik Smits?
Quote from: a3uge on March 08, 2015, 07:07:53 PMHere are my vines, lemme know if you want any more:
These are great!
Would it be possible to get one of Vashil bulldozing the on-ball defender over the timeline? He did it at least a couple of times in the second half. You know the move I'm talking about? The height differential was just so amusing, and he handled the play rather fluidly, and rather differently than I'm used to seeing.
No travel, two steps: here's a YouTube (can we embed this too?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiChPLWPTwU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiChPLWPTwU)
Quote from: agibson on March 08, 2015, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: wh on March 08, 2015, 06:38:51 PMTwo people that may have been more physical than anyone on the court last night were Jubril and Derrik. Jubril at 6-7, 235, 0 body fat :) uses great lower body leverage and his man is constantly trying to unlock his arms from Jubril's. Derrik is just a street brawler, not someone I would want to mess with.
I'm confused. Are you talking about Derek Sloan who got one minute for CSU last night? Or are you maybe talking about recruit Derrik Smits?
Hey, give me a break, guys! This is only about the 10th time in the past 2 weeks I've used Derrik instead of Darien. No one's perfect! ;)
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 08, 2015, 07:13:06 PMIf anything, the chairbacks were about as full as they ever have been.
Yeah, I'm really surprised to see it listed at 3,629. On TV the upper decks didn't look jammed, but were filled much of the way up. I figured probably some fans left after the first game, so figured it for easily 4,000+. 3,629 seems small even for those in attendance at the second game. Unless they recalibrated whatever (normally a bit generous) system they usually use.
Maybe fewer no-show-but-counted people than usual, since the game wasn't covered by season ticket packages?
Quote from: a3uge on March 08, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
No travel, two steps: here's a YouTube (can we embed this too?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiChPLWPTwU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiChPLWPTwU)
Ah, nice. The slow mo there is good. Do we start counting after the ball bounces the last time? Seems like his right foot might still be coming down. So, if we count that (and the right hit foot seems to hit _just_ after the ball bounces), maybe it is three steps. But, doesn't seem at all criminal. Two great bigs steps, and then a funny sort of a low leap to the basket.
Quote from: agibson on March 08, 2015, 07:20:03 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 08, 2015, 07:13:06 PMIf anything, the chairbacks were about as full as they ever have been.
Yeah, I'm really surprised to see it listed at 3,629. On TV the upper decks didn't look jammed, but were filled much of the way up. I figured probably some fans left after the first game, so figured it for easily 4,000+. 3,629 seems small even for those in attendance at the second game. Unless they recalibrated whatever (normally a bit generous) system they usually use.
Maybe fewer no-show-but-counted people than usual, since the game wasn't covered by season ticket packages?
Yes, the chairbacks were full during the Valpo game. I checked my photos, such as the one below, and they all show a packed section. During the Green Bay game there were some gaps because many from the chairback section were at the Crusader Club pep rally.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2efm0t3.jpg)
...and here is one of my photos showing the bleachers side of the court:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2lkvfkh.jpg)
LOL! The guy in the White Valpo hat and Black Valpo shirt right behind the Cleveland State bench is me. The dude in the Yellow Valpo shirt is my son.
We drove all the way from Wisconsin - about 4 hours - and headed all the way back after the game. It was totally worth it.
That's awesome - great pic and thanks for posting.
you just take the "s" out of https to embed:
Alec Peters Clutch Layup for Valparaiso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiChPLWPTwU#ws)
let's enjoy this, friends--Tevonn's and and Lexus' injuries are reminders that between "oh man next year we're going to be AMAZING" and "oh welp wait 'til NEXT next year" there's really only one knee ligament.
I was right next to the official under the basket when I took this photo of Alec's lay up, and from our angle, it didn't look like he walked.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2637rix.jpg)
Quote from: agibson on March 08, 2015, 07:20:03 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 08, 2015, 07:13:06 PMIf anything, the chairbacks were about as full as they ever have been.
Yeah, I'm really surprised to see it listed at 3,629. On TV the upper decks didn't look jammed, but were filled much of the way up. I figured probably some fans left after the first game, so figured it for easily 4,000+. 3,629 seems small even for those in attendance at the second game. Unless they recalibrated whatever (normally a bit generous) system they usually use.
Maybe fewer no-show-but-counted people than usual, since the game wasn't covered by season ticket packages?
I can tell you by the look, feel and sound that 3600 was not close. That would mean about 1600 empty seats, or over half of the upper level open. No way.
Here's a theory. The HL wants to move the tournament to a neutral site. Opposition forces will argue that it will be an attendance failure. HL office will counter, how much do we have to lose? There were only 3600 at the semi-finals this year and 3602 at the championship game. Next thing you know, faster than it takes to say "does someone have an agenda here" a press release will be issued that next year's tournament will be held in Indianapolis (which coincidently is the same location as our esteemed HL office).
3600 was pretty close to actual butts in seats during the second game. There were a lot of seats in the upper corners that were open, and a high number of Green Bay fans left.
Keep in mind, that while "capacity" at the ARC is over 5000, there are only about 4500 actual ticketed seats (not including student sections). I used to know the exact number, but I can't recall what it is...
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 08, 2015, 09:49:21 PM
3600 was pretty close to actual butts in seats during the second game. There were a lot of seats in the upper corners that were open, and a high number of Green Bay fans left.
Keep in mind, that while "capacity" at the ARC is over 5000, there are only about 4500 actual ticketed seats (not including student sections). I used to know the exact number, but I can't recall what it is...
What difference would that make whether they were there or not? Everyone who bought a ticket paid for both games. Or, are you saying that the 3600 number is a guesstimate based on how full the place looked rather than an actual ticket count?
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 08, 2015, 10:47:31 AMI saw the banner --- who is the "V" man?
Dave Hildebrand... Mr Valpo Superfan for YEARS was the guy holding the V sign and waving during the fight song. A few games ago, his widow, Pat, arranged to have the student section receive "V" man t-shirts...
Quote from: wh on March 08, 2015, 10:12:31 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 08, 2015, 09:49:21 PM
3600 was pretty close to actual butts in seats during the second game. There were a lot of seats in the upper corners that were open, and a high number of Green Bay fans left.
Keep in mind, that while "capacity" at the ARC is over 5000, there are only about 4500 actual ticketed seats (not including student sections). I used to know the exact number, but I can't recall what it is...
What difference would that make whether they were there or not? Everyone who bought a ticket paid for both games. Or, are you saying that the 3600 number is a guesstimate based on how full the place looked rather than an actual ticket count?
I think 3600 was about how many butts were in the seats. That's what the place looked like to me. I don't know how they arrived at their count for the games...whether they took actual tickets or did what they do during the regular season and guess. I suppose it doesn't really matter to me how many tickets were sold, I was disappointed that there were so many empty seats.
1st Team
Trey Lewis
1-9, 0-5, 3-5 -- 5 points
5-17, 3-10, 0-0 -- 13 points
4-14, 2-9, 0-0 -- 10 points
Anton Grady
8-12, 3-6 -- 18 points, 6 RBs
1-6, 3-4, -- 5 points 13 RBs
7-14, 6-7 -- 20 points, 11 RBs, 6 assists
Keifer Sykes
4-17, 1-3, 2-2 -- 11 points, 6 assists
2-13, 1-2, 2-5 -- 7 points, 2 assists
Khalil Felder
6-14, 1-5, 19-24 -- 32 points, 6 RBs, 5 assists
8-18, 1-6, 3-4 -- 20 points, 7 assists
2nd Team
Greg Mays
4-4, 1-2 -- 9 points
3-9, 0-2, 4-5 -- 10 points
Corey Petros
3-11, 2-5 -- 8 points, 12 RBs
7-13, 2-4 -- 16 points, 11 RBs
Juwan Howard
6-11, 4-5, 3-4 -- 19 points
2-10, 1-3, 3-3 -- 8 points
Matt Tiby
5-11, 0-5, 5-5 -- 15 points, 5 RBs
3-11, 1-2, 7-8, 14 points, 8 RBs
Steve McWhorter
5-8, 0-1, 2-4, 12 points, 5 assists
6-10, 2-3, 0-0, 14 points, 4 assists
These are the stat lines of all the first and second teamers, this show how strong our defense is. The best night goes to Felder, with 32 points but 19 of those came from the FT line. Only 3 times did a player on the first or second team score 20 or more points. Some of the best players in the league have off nights or aren't as effective against us. I think this shows how strong defensively we are. These are some of the best scorers in the league and only 3 times did somebody amount to 20 or more points. Only 1 player had more than 20 points.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 09, 2015, 07:17:52 AM
Quote from: wh on March 08, 2015, 10:12:31 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 08, 2015, 09:49:21 PM
3600 was pretty close to actual butts in seats during the second game. There were a lot of seats in the upper corners that were open, and a high number of Green Bay fans left.
Keep in mind, that while "capacity" at the ARC is over 5000, there are only about 4500 actual ticketed seats (not including student sections). I used to know the exact number, but I can't recall what it is...
What difference would that make whether they were there or not? Everyone who bought a ticket paid for both games. Or, are you saying that the 3600 number is a guesstimate based on how full the place looked rather than an actual ticket count?
I think 3600 was about how many butts were in the seats. That's what the place looked like to me. I don't know how they arrived at their count for the games...whether they took actual tickets or did what they do during the regular season and guess. I suppose it doesn't really matter to me how many tickets were sold, I was disappointed that there were so many empty seats.
I think everyone is forgetting that Saturday was Sectional Finals for high school basketball. High school basketball may not be what it once was, but you still have a lot of people that go to the finals, regardless if their team made it or not. Now, if it is not a sell out on Tuesday, I think you have a right to be disappointed.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 09, 2015, 09:14:21 AMNow, if it is not a sell out on Tuesday, I think you have a right to be disappointed.
2013 attendance for the final seems to have been listed at 4,457. (After a measly 3,285 listed for the semifinal...)
I'm not counting on a sell out for a Tuesday game, during spring break, premium priced, on relatively short notice.
In a more perfect world, it'd be a sellout. But, in this world, I'm probably going to gamble on it _not_ being a sellout. (I'm only going to be able to make the tail end of the 2nd half, and I'm probably going to skip advanced tickets, unless sales pickup today.)
I'll be delighted if I'm wrong! If they actually turn me away Tuesday night, I'll be disappointed. But, still mostly delighted!
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2015, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 09, 2015, 09:14:21 AMNow, if it is not a sell out on Tuesday, I think you have a right to be disappointed.
2013 attendance for the final seems to have been listed at 4,457. (After a measly 3,285 listed for the semifinal...)
I'm not counting on a sell out for a Tuesday game, during spring break, premium priced, on relatively short notice.
In a more perfect world, it'd be a sellout. But, in this world, I'm probably going to gamble on it _not_ being a sellout. (I'm only going to be able to make the tail end of the 2nd half, and I'm probably going to skip advanced tickets, unless sales pickup today.)
I'll be delighted if I'm wrong! If they actually turn me away Tuesday night, I'll be disappointed. But, still mostly delighted!
There are approximately 1500 seats still available in the upper level. That includes all the seats in the first 3 rows that they show as not available so people won't purchase them not knowing that the view is partially obstructed by the railing. At $20 a pop I would be surprised if more than half sell. Even if that's true, that's only 750 short of capacity, or a crowd of approximately 4250 if not another ticket is sold. It will be interesting to continue to see how much advance ticket sales rise, and then compare the crowd we anticipate to what is announced. I am willing to bet the announced crowd will be 500 fewer than what we anticipate based on the ticket sales seating chart.
I have uploaded a gallery at the following link with more than 30 photos from the semi-final win over Cleveland State. Enjoy the images, which include a number of crowd shots as well! https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157651184346506/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157651184346506/)
Quote from: wh on March 09, 2015, 10:13:57 AMThere are approximately 1500 seats still available in the upper level. That includes all the seats in the first 3 rows that they show as not available so people won't purchase them not knowing that the view is partially obstructed by the railing. At $20 a pop I would be surprised if more than half sell. Even if that's true, that's only 750 short of capacity, or a crowd of approximately 4250 if not another ticket is sold. It will be interesting to continue to see how much advance ticket sales rise, and then compare the crowd we anticipate to what is announced. I am willing to bet the announced crowd will be 500 fewer than what we anticipate based on the ticket sales seating chart.
I've always sort of run the numbers like this, or comparing the feeling of the crowd on a given night vs. quoted attendance for previous games. I've never tried running the numbers the way ValpoHoops suggests, actually counting the number of seats that _are_ sold or filled.
I guess some number (maybe not as many as years past) are removed for the tournament.
Was it 2012 where they had a bunch of media at tables in Section E, running well up into the bleachers?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-john-mutka-column-st-0309-20150308-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-john-mutka-column-st-0309-20150308-story.html)
QuoteFortunately, the flow didn't include bloodshed, but left me wondering who was playing middle linebacker for the overly aggressive Vikings.
Quote from: justducky on March 07, 2015, 12:35:14 PMOk just spotted something that can and needs to be resolved in the future. I would link (if I knew how) the Calendar sports -- TODAY'S TV/RADIO HIGHLIGHTS for today's Post Trib on page 4. Anyway there are a number of games, events listed with their radio or TV coverages and including the IHSAA girls state finals, Flyers at Bruins, Sprint Cup practice, and EPL: Tottenham vs. Queens Park. What is not listed in the College Basketball section is any mention of the game of highest interest for northwest Indiana basketball fans which will be live on ESPNU from the ARC.
Quote from: justducky on March 07, 2015, 03:31:56 PMI take the lack of mention in the on air radio-tv coverage as a slap in the face. Hey they didn't forget to list DePaul at Marquette because hey they might be the 140th and 160th best teams in the country facing off with everything at stake and a handful of local fans interested! Something from the back of my mind tells me that they made this same ommission at least one of the other times we hosted. So however they addressed the problem then it apparently had no lasting effect.
Hey I don't want to get uppity because I realize those are real BB programs from a real conference not some phony-balony wanna be conference like the Horizon.
Separate question. Are there really more NW indiana BB fans interested in the Clemson at ND 3PM tipoff on WCIU-DT 26.2, WLS-AM 890 than for VU vs CSU? I would argue that there isn't and if by some slight margin there is then I think I may have already proposed the solution!
Since nobody addressed my original concerns, let me pose the same question. Will the Tuesday editions of the Times and Post Trib include in their Calendar TODAY'S TV/RADIO HIGHLIGHTS College Basketball Tournaments -game listings sections that the Horizon Mens BB Title will be on ESPN at 6:00? Yes I know that should not be our responsibility but since we are aware of this mistake it now becomes our job to make sure that it is fixed.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes, it will be listed in the Sports on TV listings in The Times on page 2 of the sports section. I'm sure the TV/radio will also be listed in the pre-game capsule that will be contributed by Paul Oren. I'd also say that 9 of 10 times that VU has been on TV this season, it has been listed in the Times sports section in at least one format. I can only say with regard to ESPNU, maybe some papers don't list all the sports on all the "fringe" channels because not everyone gets them. Just a theory. Odds are they are going to list the sports that are on CBS because everybody has CBS, but due to space constraints they're not going to list the 10 p.m. west coast game on Fox Sports. Still, I get what you're saying - if VU is involved it should be in the paper.
I looked at the video on Peters' move. Honestly, it looks like three steps to me.
I agree with other comments that the tournament format, as it is, is fine. Don't break it! It rewards regular season performance.
The attendance figure is probably more accurate for the HL tournament than for any of our home games. There is a ticket for virtually everyone in the ARC (media, HL officials, school officials, etc. excluded) so there is an accurate count, an I suspect it's an "audited" count to make sure dollars match tickets sold. For home games, faculty-staff and students don't have tickets so the count is less accurate and probably estimated and probably counting every season ticket holder in attendance whether the seat is occupied or not. Also at many home games, the upper level may look fuller than it is because many people put coats on seats next to them and everyone simply adjusts by a row or seat to accommodate it. If you look at Valpopal's photos from some home games with similar estimates in attendance (GB?) I think you'll see many more empty seats than there were Saturday night.
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: wh on March 09, 2015, 10:13:57 AMThere are approximately 1500 seats still available in the upper level. That includes all the seats in the first 3 rows that they show as not available so people won't purchase them not knowing that the view is partially obstructed by the railing. At $20 a pop I would be surprised if more than half sell. Even if that's true, that's only 750 short of capacity, or a crowd of approximately 4250 if not another ticket is sold. It will be interesting to continue to see how much advance ticket sales rise, and then compare the crowd we anticipate to what is announced. I am willing to bet the announced crowd will be 500 fewer than what we anticipate based on the ticket sales seating chart.
I've always sort of run the numbers like this, or comparing the feeling of the crowd on a given night vs. quoted attendance for previous games. I've never tried running the numbers the way ValpoHoops suggests, actually counting the number of seats that _are_ sold or filled.
I guess some number (maybe not as many as years past) are removed for the tournament.
Was it 2012 where they had a bunch of media at tables in Section E, running well up into the bleachers?
All I can do is repeat some simple math - all the seats in the lower level are sold. 1500 seats are still available in the upper level. The reported capacity is 5000. That means that if not even 1 more advance ticket is sold and not so much as 1 person buys a ticket at the door, the reported attendance should be 3500. If half of the 1500 unsold seat are purchased between now and game time the attendance should be 4250. Knowing that renders guesstimates meaningless. It also renders meaningless who didn't show, who left early, how many people are out of their seats at the restroom or up getting concessions, or how many people chose to stand around the track instead of sitting in their assigned seat. Every ticket has a unique seat assignment, thus 2 tickets are alike. Every ticket is scanned. The only guesswork that might be involved is counting people who don't have to buy a ticket like band members, workers, staff, etc. even there presumably those people are given passes to get in. This is not (or should I say should not be) that difficult to figure out in the modern age we live in.
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 09, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
I looked at the video on Peters' move. Honestly, it looks like three steps to me.
Na It Was A hop, Skip and a Jump ;D
Quote from: justducky on March 09, 2015, 02:12:48 PMWill the Tuesday editions of the Times and Post Trib include in their Calendar TODAY'S TV/RADIO HIGHLIGHTS College Basketball Tournaments -game listings sections that the Horizon Mens BB Title will be on ESPN at 6:00?
Yes! :o :thumbsup: Unlike Saturday we have been included as a televised basketball choice for tonights viewing! May wonders never cease!!
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 09, 2015, 02:19:48 PMI'm going to go out on a limb and say yes, it will be listed in the Sports on TV listings in The Times on page 2 of the sports section. I'm sure the TV/radio will also be listed in the pre-game capsule that will be contributed by Paul Oren. I'd also say that 9 of 10 times that VU has been on TV this season, it has been listed in the Times sports section in at least one format. I can only say with regard to ESPNU, maybe some papers don't list all the sports on all the "fringe" channels because not everyone gets them. Just a theory.
Not sure if your theory was correct but perhaps somebody would know. Do Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, BTN, CSN+HD, CSN, NBCSN, and WCIU-DT all reach a greater number of homes than ESPNU? All of those had listed Saturday sports broadcasts while the Horizon League action on ESPNU was omitted. On todays listings both the Women: Summit at 1:00 and West Coast at 3:00 title games are included.
Quote from: justducky on March 10, 2015, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: justducky on March 09, 2015, 02:12:48 PMWill the Tuesday editions of the Times and Post Trib include in their Calendar TODAY'S TV/RADIO HIGHLIGHTS College Basketball Tournaments -game listings sections that the Horizon Mens BB Title will be on ESPN at 6:00?
Yes! :o :thumbsup: Unlike Saturday we have been included as a televised basketball choice for tonights viewing! May wonders never cease!!
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 09, 2015, 02:19:48 PMI'm going to go out on a limb and say yes, it will be listed in the Sports on TV listings in The Times on page 2 of the sports section. I'm sure the TV/radio will also be listed in the pre-game capsule that will be contributed by Paul Oren. I'd also say that 9 of 10 times that VU has been on TV this season, it has been listed in the Times sports section in at least one format. I can only say with regard to ESPNU, maybe some papers don't list all the sports on all the "fringe" channels because not everyone gets them. Just a theory.
Not sure if your theory was correct but perhaps somebody would know. Do Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, BTN, CSN+HD, CSN, NBCSN, and WCIU-DT all reach a greater number of homes than ESPNU? All of those had listed Saturday sports broadcasts while the Horizon League action on ESPNU was omitted. On todays listings both the Women: Summit at 1:00 and West Coast at 3:00 title games are included.
I'm not sure where to find it, but I'm sure there's somewhere you could look to see what the broadcast numbers were for all of those stations at 8:00 PM CST on Saturday night.
Just check ESPN and saw that we are a 4.5 point favorite. Also looked at the stats and saw we average 1 point per game more than GB, they average 2 more assts per game and 1 less turnover, while we shoot 46.1 overall to their 46.6, but we shoot3.1% better from the foul line and 7.7% better from the 3. So, could it be a foul shooting or 3 point shooting contest?