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Title: Why Vandy?
Post by: Just Sayin on April 17, 2016, 08:22:40 PM
https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2016/04/17/bryce-drews-dad-had-vanderbilt-dream-boy/82881618/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTUxMDgzNzY1MDQ5MDYwMjAxNTYyGjE4OTg4ODAxODc4Yjg3NTU6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNEap-NQgD1mipoboURBdilOFx33Kg
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: valpotx on April 17, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Well, this seems to confirm that Homer's connection to Valpo will end later this year, if they are truly moving to Nashville as well.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: historyman on April 18, 2016, 01:19:33 AM
Quote from: valpotx on April 17, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Well, this seems to confirm that Homer's connection to Valpo will end later this year, if they are truly moving to Nashville as well.

I think it's natural for someone in their 70's to want to move to warmer climates and move closer to their grandchildren. I hope Bryce and Homer remember that through the January ice storms. :)
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: historyman on April 18, 2016, 01:51:41 AM
http://www.anchorofgold.com/basketball/2016/4/13/11421224/bryce-drews-first-recruiting-task-keep-the-class-of-2016-in-the-fold


Bryce moving on with keeping the current Vandy players. If you don't want to vest anything in Vandy then don't read these stories. One has moved on to the NBA in typical P5 tradition.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: VU2014 on April 18, 2016, 09:01:49 AM
I will always be grateful for the Drew family and how they built the VU basketball family up from nothing with very limited resources and support from the administration. I met Homer my Freshman year of college just shooting hoops in hilltop. He introduced himself and welcomed me to VU and literally spent 30 minutes going over jump-shot fundamentals and practicing. Honestly he is one the friendliest and kind hearted people I have ever met. Its natural to wanted to around the family during retirement, so I have no problem with it. We all knew Bryce was going to leave eventually and it happened. He left the program in a good state in my opinion (I know some feel differently, but we can agree to disagree) and I think Lottich has a bright future as a coach. I think we sort of need to move on in a way. I'm not sure I'll make Vandy game a priority but if its on TV maybe I'll silently root for Bryce.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: oklahomamick on April 18, 2016, 10:00:16 AM
The Homer family made Valpo basketball a success.  They did it with limited finances and little administrative support.  Not very many people can overcome those obstacles and be successful.  Sure a lot of coaches can win at KU, Indiana, Michigan St. North Carolina.  But it takes a special coach to be able to overcome the challenges at VU and win on a year to year basis.  I don't think many can pull that off.  Let's see if our new coach can. 

Bryce will be successful at Vandy just as Scott has been at Baylor.  If they can succeed at Valpo they can overcome the different challenges P5 offers.  Mid major challenges and in particular Valpo's restraints are far more difficult than the challenges at the P5 level. 
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: Just Sayin on April 18, 2016, 10:22:27 AM
It's a great story about the Drew family.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ARCInsider on April 18, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
I sure hope Homer will thank the town of Valparaiso before leaving for Nashville.  #nolovelost
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: valpotx on April 18, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Casey Shaw announced as an addition to Bryce's Vandy staff, so Dana is moving to Nashville as well. 

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2016/04/18/bryce-drews-brother--law-added-vanderbilt-staff/83183196/
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: VULB#62 on April 18, 2016, 12:44:14 PM
Eleven Drews (including grandkids)  living in Nashville by September according to Sparks. 

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Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: Just Sayin on April 18, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 18, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
I sure hope Homer will thank the town of Valparaiso before leaving for Nashville.  #nolovelost

Don't worry, Homer's not one to express his thankfulness. You are indeed a special kind of person to have no love lost for Homer.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: Just Sayin on April 18, 2016, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: valpotx on April 18, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Casey Shaw announced as an addition to Bryce's Vandy staff, so Dana is moving to Nashville as well. 

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2016/04/18/bryce-drews-brother--law-added-vanderbilt-staff/83183196/

In the article, it says that Omar Mance from Liberty will be the Director of BB Operations. Do you know why Bryce picked him and how he knew him? Chef said in a recent post that "Luke" ( not Gore) was ( can't remember his last name) going to Vandy to take that job. Anyone know these connections Or if "Luke" is still being considered or didn't take the job?
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: chef on April 18, 2016, 10:52:03 PM
I think this maybe incorrect. Mance has been hired (he's a close friend of Roger Powell). However, I believe Mance will have a different title, while Luke Simons with be the director of basketball operations. The only other possibility is Simons will have a different title but will be handling the duties similar to what he did at Valpo. The job titles vary from school to school.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: talksalot on April 19, 2016, 11:55:12 AM
I see that one of the ex-Vandy coaches, Adam Cohen, was just hired by Stanford to be an assistant coach.

http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=210885316
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 12:21:10 AM
It seems the high end housing market in Southen Valpo is now saturated (buyer's market?). It is my understanding that Homer, Bryce and Dana (Casey) lived like 10 minutes apart. Close family that gets to stay together in a nice metropolis. Good for them and good for us he didn't take everyone with him. Liking Matt as HC, glad Luke stayed to help continuity and looks as if Matt made some good hires for the open spots.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: bbtds on April 20, 2016, 04:12:04 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 12:21:10 AM
It seems the high end housing market in Southen Valpo is now saturated (buyer's market?). It is my understanding that Homer, Bryce and Dana (Casey) lived like 10 minutes apart. Close family that gets to stay together in a nice metropolis. Good for them and good for us he didn't take everyone with him. Liking Matt as HC, glad Luke stayed to help continuity and looks as if Matt made some good hires for the open spots.

One quick question about the new asst coaches. What made Ivan Vujic such a bad hire? Bad interviewee? Wrong tie? Threatened to make players transfer if he didn't get the job? Wrong culture for Ivan (not Christian)?
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 07:08:33 AM
I think he would've created some redundancy from a true coaching perspective as he works with bigs and that is Luke's primary focus. I don't think that'll change in Luke's new role. Also Ivan is limited in that, while Valpo likes to recruit abroad, his connections seem to be in Croatia and parts of the former Yugoslavia. In the grand scheme of things that is a very small pool to pick from. And in today's world, I think it's important to have some diversity on your staff. If you're wanting to recruit Chicago or any major metropolitan area, more succinctly the inner city, it's important to have a balanced staff.

I don't think religion played a part at all. I'm not sure what Vujic's denomination or Faith is but I am assuming Cathollic as Croatia is a predominately Catholic country. Being a Catholic myself, we most definitely see ourselves as Chrsitians first and foremost.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: wh on April 20, 2016, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: bbtds on April 20, 2016, 04:12:04 AM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 12:21:10 AM
It seems the high end housing market in Southen Valpo is now saturated (buyer's market?). It is my understanding that Homer, Bryce and Dana (Casey) lived like 10 minutes apart. Close family that gets to stay together in a nice metropolis. Good for them and good for us he didn't take everyone with him. Liking Matt as HC, glad Luke stayed to help continuity and looks as if Matt made some good hires for the open spots.

One quick question about the new asst coaches. What made Ivan Vujic such a bad hire? Bad interviewee? Wrong tie? Threatened to make players transfer if he didn't get the job? Wrong culture for Ivan (not Christian)?

Given what he and this other clown allegedly pulled off, he is obviously not a person of high character.  Do you need another reason?  Ok, here's one more.  Why would an upstanding program like Valparaiso University ever take a chance on anyone from the sleazy world of AAU/"prep" school basketball.  Not saying everyone is bad, but the entire business is centered on hustling basketball players.  Anytime a university program hires one of these "handlers" it raises an immediate red flag.     
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: M on April 20, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
Everybody lives about 10 minutes away from everybody in our city.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ARCInsider on April 20, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 18, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 18, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
I sure hope Homer will thank the town of Valparaiso before leaving for Nashville.  #nolovelost

Don't worry, Homer's not one to express his thankfulness. You are indeed a special kind of person to have no love lost for Homer.

Your sarcasm detector may be broken. 

Mods, can we delete his post?
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: Just Sayin on April 20, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 20, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 18, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 18, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
I sure hope Homer will thank the town of Valparaiso before leaving for Nashville.  #nolovelost

Don't worry, Homer's not one to express his thankfulness. You are indeed a special kind of person to have no love lost for Homer.

Your sarcasm detector may be broken. 

Mods, can we delete his post?

You want a safe space from being criticized? Poor baby.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 06:17:59 PM
M, point taken my friend and a damn hilarious one at that, pal!!!!
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ARCInsider on April 20, 2016, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 20, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 20, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 18, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on April 18, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
I sure hope Homer will thank the town of Valparaiso before leaving for Nashville.  #nolovelost

Don't worry, Homer's not one to express his thankfulness. You are indeed a special kind of person to have no love lost for Homer.

Your sarcasm detector may be broken. 

Mods, can we delete his post?

You want a safe space from being criticized? Poor baby.

LOL.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: wh on April 20, 2016, 10:01:30 PM
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 07:08:33 AM
I think he would've created some redundancy from a true coaching perspective as he works with bigs and that is Luke's primary focus. I don't think that'll change in Luke's new role. Also Ivan is limited in that, while Valpo likes to recruit abroad, his connections seem to be in Croatia and parts of the former Yugoslavia. In the grand scheme of things that is a very small pool to pick from. And in today's world, I think it's important to have some diversity on your staff. If you're wanting to recruit Chicago or any major metropolitan area, more succinctly the inner city, it's important to have a balanced staff.

I don't think religion played a part at all. I'm not sure what Vujic's denomination or Faith is but I am assuming Cathollic as Croatia is a predominately Catholic country. Being a Catholic myself, we most definitely see ourselves as Chrsitians first and foremost.

A good Catholic friend of mine once told me that there is only 1 true Christian church - the Catholic Church- and that all Christians - Catholic and Protestant - belong to it. I said what are you talking about?  I don't belong to it. He retorted you do belong to it, you just don't realize that you do. He said it's the same as an Atheist. Just because they say there is no God doesn't mean there is no God. He also maintains that since Catholicism is the 1 true church, Christianity and Catholicism can be used interchangeably. How do you argue with a guy like that? lol
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ValpoDad89 on April 20, 2016, 11:53:14 PM
WH, you don't because he is 100% correct!!! ;D Hey, if it is wasn't for us Cat Licks how in the hell did other forms of Christianity come about??? Wasn't Martin Lither a Catholic priest at one time? Think about it? I kid. I'll be honest there are some in my sect that think our denomination is the end all be all. But man do we have skeletons and tons of baggage without getting into specifics. From the Spanish Inquisition to today's scandals we have some serious issues.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: VULB#62 on April 21, 2016, 07:27:41 AM
Ah,  but there is one catholic church and all Christians who believe are members.  But it is not just the Roman Catholic Church. 

Reminds me of:

     Let's eat Grandma.
     Lets eat, Grandma.
     Commas save lives.

Except here we are are talking capitalization.   :lol:
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: agibson on April 23, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 21, 2016, 07:27:41 AMAh,  but there is one catholic church and all Christians who believe are members.  But it is not just the Roman Catholic Church. 

Yeah, it helps me to replace "Catholic" with "Universal". By one way of thinking, there's just one universal church - how could it be otherwise? It's universal! Then we could argue, if we want, about what visible manifestation of that, what earthly church body (Rome, the Orthodox, Lutherans, etc.) comes closest to representing the invisible, universal (catholic) church.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: agibson on April 23, 2016, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: valpotx on April 18, 2016, 12:33:13 PMCasey Shaw announced as an addition to Bryce's Vandy staff, so Dana is moving to Nashville as well.

Fascinating. What's he been doing since he stopped playing? I didn't realize he lived in Valpo. Wonder why he never got a position at VU, if he was interested in coaching, and evidently a plausible candidate.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: historyman on April 23, 2016, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: agibson on April 23, 2016, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: valpotx on April 18, 2016, 12:33:13 PMCasey Shaw announced as an addition to Bryce's Vandy staff, so Dana is moving to Nashville as well.

Fascinating. What's he been doing since he stopped playing? I didn't realize he lived in Valpo. Wonder why he never got a position at VU, if he was interested in coaching, and evidently a plausible candidate.

I have a feeling he was helping behind the scenes. His wife is a lawyer and he had several kids after playing professionally and making good money. I bet Bryce asked him to move to Nashville because he still needs his help. When your family is well trained in your profession it's second nature to start relying on them for at least great advice.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: valpotx on April 23, 2016, 07:33:40 PM
I believe that he was a Financial Adviser.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: VULB#62 on April 27, 2016, 10:56:56 AM
In following up on an Oren tweet, I think I know why (at least one reason) Roger decided to go to Nashville with Bryce, rather than take the VU job -- assuming he was the #1 candidate and Matt was at that time #2.

He is currently listed as the "Associate Head Coach" at Vandy.  He is well positioned by that title alone for his next job at a P5 school, Head Coach,  without having to slog through a mid-major rite of passage.

http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042616aaa.html
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: agibson on April 27, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 27, 2016, 10:56:56 AMHe is currently listed as the "Associate Head Coach" at Vandy.  He is well positioned by that title alone for his next job at a P5 school, Head Coach,  without having to slog through a mid-major rite of passage.

Made me think of when Bryce had that title. It could equally set him up to be the successor at Vanderbilt when/if Bryce moves along to the next "very special" opportunity (and, I suppose, success at Vanderbilt could open the door for blue chip basketball opportunities).

That press release gave us confirmation, also, of Simons' title at Vanderbilt - it's indeed Director of Basketball Operations. So, a mistake in the Nashville press, earlier? And our guy (was it chef?) had it straight.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: M on April 27, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
Roger ends up at Illinois is my bet...maybe next year.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ValpoDad89 on April 27, 2016, 08:17:36 PM
Drew and Powell were both on Illinois short list of candidates but then Groce got a 5* commitment from Da'Monte Williams from Peoria Manuel and it saved Groce's job for one more year. Illinois would be a destination school for Powell.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: crusadermoe on April 28, 2016, 11:42:28 AM
Makes a ton of sense.   Goes to home to alma mater.    Recruits Chicago well already.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ml2 on April 28, 2016, 01:15:22 PM
It's very tough (although not unprecedented) for an assistant coach to jump directly to a Big Ten head coach position.

The current 14 Big Ten schools have made just over 60 men's basketball head coaching hires since 1975 (not counting interims). 17 were head coaches at other major programs. 31 (by far the largest group) were mid-major head coaches. 8 were internal assistant coaches, and just 1 (Chris Collins to Northwestern, from Duke in 2013) was an assistant/associate coach from an outside program.
Title: Re: Why Vandy?
Post by: ValpoDad89 on April 30, 2016, 11:37:46 PM
ml2, very true but Illinois last hire was John Groce who had a Sweet 16 run with Ohio but nothing more on his resume. Powell has assisting experience at a lower Level with a very successful program. He is now assisting at a P5 conference. Plus he is an alum who played a significant role on one of the most, if the most successful team in Illinois history. Thier new AD seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders. Not saying Roger will be the guy but I think he's positioned himself well to be in serious consideration. All this is predicated on Illinois being the Illinois of the last few years. If Groce takes them pretty far, he's keeping his gig.