NCAA College Basketball Talk

[valpopal]

ESPN has announced they will be airing certain basketball games on Tuesday, Nov. 14, such as Michigan State vs. Duke and Kentucky vs. Kansas. My disappointing initial impression is that they are abandoning other opening games with mid-majors or lower tier conferences.

[FWalum]

ESPN has announced they will be airing certain basketball games on Tuesday, Nov. 14, such as Michigan State vs. Duke and Kentucky vs. Kansas. My disappointing initial impression is that they are abandoning other opening games with mid-majors or lower tier conferences.

That's probably because they are all on ESPN3 or WatchESPN... whatever they call it.  DirecTV now has the ESPN app that can load if you are watching ESPN so I was surprised when Saturday's Women's Soccer game against Loyola popped up as viewable on the DirecTV app.  If they aren't on the DirecTV app then they are on Chromecast or Fire Stick or a TV App by whatever new TV you might have. Watched the Campbell game on my new LG 4K because they now have a Flash capable browser.  With the business issues they are having I wonder how long they can sustain ESPN, ESNP2 and ESPNU etc.  Airing only the big names probably keeps the ad revenue up. I really wonder where this FULL access stuff will end up from a business prospective.  You can now stream every Fort Wayne high school athletic event in high def thanks to Parkview Sports Medicine, who would have thought that would be the case 10 years ago?

[bbtds]

ESPN has announced they will be airing certain basketball games on Tuesday, Nov. 14, such as Michigan State vs. Duke and Kentucky vs. Kansas. My disappointing initial impression is that they are abandoning other opening games with mid-majors or lower tier conferences.

That's probably because they are all on ESPN3 or WatchESPN... whatever they call it.  DirecTV now has the ESPN app that can load if you are watching ESPN so I was surprised when Saturday's Women's Soccer game against Loyola popped up as viewable on the DirecTV app.  If they aren't on the DirecTV app then they are on Chromecast or Fire Stick or a TV App by whatever new TV you might have. Watched the Campbell game on my new LG 4K because they now have a Flash capable browser.  With the business issues they are having I wonder how long they can sustain ESPN, ESNP2 and ESPNU etc.  Airing only the big names probably keeps the ad revenue up. I really wonder where this FULL access stuff will end up from a business prospective.  You can now stream every Fort Wayne high school athletic event in high def thanks to Parkview Sports Medicine, who would have thought that would be the case 10 years ago?

Before you know it we'll have full electric cars on the road with some of them driving themselves.  Oh.....wait............we already do.

I wonder if they are teaching the self driving cars to honk at the other self driving cars if they don't start moving when the light turns green after a half second at a stop light.

[valpopal]

NCAA lets North Carolina basketball get away with academic fraud without any penalty 


https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/10/13/16468924/ncaa-not-punishing-north-carolina-tar-heels-academic-scandal


https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/10/13/16430302/north-carolina-scandal-ncaa-violations-sanctions

[VU2014]

NCAA lets North Carolina basketball get away with academic fraud without any penalty 


https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/10/13/16468924/ncaa-not-punishing-north-carolina-tar-heels-academic-scandal


https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/10/13/16430302/north-carolina-scandal-ncaa-violations-sanctions

Seriously what is to stop other schools from just making fake classes now!? WTF is wrong with the NCAA!?!?!

If this wasn't a big $ making school they would have thrown the hammer down on that program. I'm literally beside myself on how the NCAA can be this spineless.

[FWalum]

NCAA lets North Carolina basketball get away with academic fraud without any penalty 


https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/10/13/16468924/ncaa-not-punishing-north-carolina-tar-heels-academic-scandal


https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/10/13/16430302/north-carolina-scandal-ncaa-violations-sanctions

ARE YOU STINKING KIDDING ME     

[valpo4life]

Call me crazy, but I think the only bad thing the NCAA did with the UNC case was the length and resources involved. There really isn't/wasn't anything they could do. It's on UNC. They are the ones who should be bashed, lose accreditation, etc. The NCAA has no business telling student-athletes what kind of classes they have to take, the university controls those standards. Blame UNC, not the NCAA. 

[valpopal]

Call me crazy, but I think the only bad thing the NCAA did with the UNC case was the length and resources involved. There really isn't/wasn't anything they could do. It's on UNC. They are the ones who should be bashed, lose accreditation, etc. The NCAA has no business telling student-athletes what kind of classes they have to take, the university controls those standards. Blame UNC, not the NCAA.

Yes, put great blame on UNC, especially the departments involved, but also fault the NCAA. The NCAA is the governing body that is supposed to oversee campus conditions influencing its "student-athletes," which includes assuring that those student-athletes are receiving a legitimate education. The situation at North Carolina is clear. Numerous athletes (one study concluded about 2,000) were allowed to participate in "a shadow curriculum," including taking "independent study" courses for which the athlete was the only student enrolled, and those courses (sometimes disguised as "lecture" classes in their descriptions) never met nor was any instruction offered; yet, student-athletes who did no work were granted an "A" on their transcripts for the course, and the credits counted toward their eligibility. When you realize that athletes are only 4% of the student population at North Carolina, the percentage who took suspect classes clearly suggests a targeted and conscious funneling of athletes into these sham classes. Addressing a situation like this is precisely one of the purposes for the existence of the NCAA, and its responsibility. 

[VUBBFan]

Call me crazy, but I think the only bad thing the NCAA did with the UNC case was the length and resources involved. There really isn't/wasn't anything they could do. It's on UNC. They are the ones who should be bashed, lose accreditation, etc. The NCAA has no business telling student-athletes what kind of classes they have to take, the university controls those standards. Blame UNC, not the NCAA.

The sad thing is I believe the next time something like this comes up again not involving a P-5 6 program. That school will face severe consequences and the NCAA will thump its chest saying that this shows it takes academics very seriously.

[VU2014]

One thing I just noticed is former VU assistant coach Jackie Manuel's (a former UNC basketball player 2001-2005/VU assistant for 1 season) college major was African-American studies, which are the courses that are caught up in all of this UNC fake classes for athletes... I'm not sure he was taking fake classes but its awfully suspicious because Men's BBall and football were the two sports mainly taking advantage of the fake classes...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_men%27s_basketball
https://alumni.unc.edu/news/mccants-says-fraudulent-classes-may-be-all-that-kept-him-eligible/https://www.tarheelblog.com/2012/07/the-big-lead-takes-on-uncs-academic-scandal

[valpopal]

Now that the NCAA has decided not to punish North Carolina, the Chronicle of Higher Education released an article this weekend summarizing what it calls "arguably the most pervasive academic fraud at a major research university in at least a generation." In its summary, the basketball team is listed as taking "no-show classes" 167 times in a period of only 8 years (2001-2009). That would break down to more than 20 fake no-show classes taken by members of the basketball team each year. How does a team take an average of 20 phony classes each year for 8 years? Most of these classes were taken after Roy Williams became the head coach in 2003. When he entered, five members of the basketball team were majoring in African and Afro-American Studies, but in the 2004-2005 season, 10 team members majored in African and Afro-American Studies, apparently including Jackie Manuel, former VU assistant coach, who was a Tarheel team captain in 2004-2005.


http://www.chronicle.com/interactives/unc-scandal
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article10107071.html

[VU2014]

We're getting the "10 possible Cinderella teams" article. It smells like College Basketball season is right around the corner.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/10-possible-cinderella-teams-you-may-be-talking-about-during-march-madness/

A few Valpo connections:

-Illinois State: CBS goes on to say they are the favorite in the MVC next season, which I disagree with.

-Chokeland: Can't argue they should be good but will they be? History says 1st round exit at 'Motor City Dumpster-Fire'

-Ball State: We play them in Non-Conference next season in Munster. Should be a tough game.

[FWalum]

-Ball State: We play them in Non-Conference next season in Munster. Should be a tough game.

Taking the trip down to Muncie on December 9th to see that game with a friend whose firm has season tickets.

[VU2014]

-Ball State: We play them in Non-Conference next season in Munster. Should be a tough game.

Taking the trip down to Muncie on December 9th to see that game with a friend whose firm has season tickets.

haha my bad Muncie

[EddieCabot]

We're getting the "10 possible Cinderella teams" article. It smells like College Basketball season is right around the corner.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/10-possible-cinderella-teams-you-may-be-talking-about-during-march-madness/

A few Valpo connections:

-Illinois State: CBS goes on to say they are the favorite in the MVC next season, which I disagree with.

-Chokeland: Can't argue they should be good but will they be? History says 1st round exit at 'Motor City Dumpster-Fire'

-Ball State: We play them in Non-Conference next season in Munster. Should be a tough game.

Agree on Ill State.  Also, can't buy into the Oakland hype until they win a game or two in March.  That said, they probably have the best chance to represent a really weak Horizon League in the NCAA tourney.

[a3uge]

We're getting the "10 possible Cinderella teams" article. It smells like College Basketball season is right around the corner.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/10-possible-cinderella-teams-you-may-be-talking-about-during-march-madness/

A few Valpo connections:

-Illinois State: CBS goes on to say they are the favorite in the MVC next season, which I disagree with.

-Chokeland: Can't argue they should be good but will they be? History says 1st round exit at 'Motor City Dumpster-Fire'

-Ball State: We play them in Non-Conference next season in Munster. Should be a tough game.

Agree on Ill State.  Also, can't buy into the Oakland hype until they win a game or two in March.  That said, they probably have the best chance to represent a really weak Horizon League in the NCAA tourney.

I'm going with NKU. Drew McDonald is the best player in the conference and I suspect there will be some internal meltdown with Oakland's woman beater.

[VU2014]

Loyola's new Director of Basketball Operations hire could be a recruiting game changer. Jevon Mamon is now a former Chicago Public League head coach and he also was a coach for one of the top AAU programs Meanstreets (Javon Freeman-Liberty's AAU team). A really good hire. I believe basketball Ops "technically" aren't allowed to recruit but it sure won't hurt that he knows everyone and kids are familiar with him.
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/920108841571901441
https://twitter.com/nikemeanstreets/status/920110689749839872
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/751093577665617920
https://twitter.com/trigonis30/status/523739563047809024

[valpopal]

The following Nike commercial has aired widely during this week and appears timed to the start of the NBA season. I wonder how the NCAA can permit the shoe company ad to use Duke prominently in such a commercial, especially since this certainly gives an unfair advantage to Duke with recruiting and in fundraising. With the current controversy and scandal involving shoe companies in college basketball, the timing certainly is terrible, and I can't see why the NCAA doesn't prohibit this.


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[Valpower]

The following Nike commercial has aired widely during this week and appears timed to the start of the NBA season. I wonder how the NCAA can permit the shoe company ad to use Duke prominently in such a commercial, especially since this certainly gives an unfair advantage to Duke with recruiting and in fundraising. With the current controversy and scandal involving shoe companies in college basketball, the timing certainly is terrible, and I can't see why the NCAA doesn't prohibit this.

I saw it last night and thought what a terrible situation it has created. When the Adidas/Louisville federal investigation story broke I kept my mouth shut while people bayed for the blood of rival-program coaches, players, and administrations. "Low hanging fruit," I thought. Even the Adidas representatives they are targeting are nothing more than patsies. As long as corporate leadership can escape prosecution and corporate money is dangled for the taking, nothing will improve.

[VU2014]

Wow. Kind of a dick move from Greg Marshall... It's the AAC, not the ACC. You can get a great steak anywhere.
https://twitter.com/DrMattSmithPT/status/921335002486530049

[IrishDawg]

Wow. Kind of a dick move from Greg Marshall... It's the AAC, not the ACC. You can get a great steak anywhere.
https://twitter.com/DrMattSmithPT/status/921335002486530049

I'd like to hear from Johnny Dawkins (UCF's head coach) about what he's looking forward to doing when they travel to Wichita for a game on January 25th. 

[bigmosmithfan1]

First thought: if quality of restaurants in the members' cities determined quality of conference, then the Horizon League would've been a P5 long ago.

Second thought: Marshall is going to be disappointed as hell with his trips to Storrs, CT and Greenville, NC, then.

[mp91]

Found this great website that has a bunch of information on the FBI investigation into college basketball.  It's pretty cool because it not only compiled articles and legal documents into one place, but also has profiles on all of the individuals "accused/charged" in the lawsuits.  It even has a filter so you can see only information related to a particular school.  Super convenient

Definitely worth a look if you are interested in the topic

cbbcase.com

[Grizz]

I'm sorry, I can't help myself.  You guys are upset at Marshall yet Valpo fan after Valpo fan have ripped the Horizon league after leaving. Very Interesting. And the comments about Oakland and the post season, yes we were 0=2 as a 1 seed and a 2 seed. If I remember Valpo was 0-2 as a 1 seed and a 2 seed the last two years. In fact if you really look at it, Valpo won 5 out of 6 championships and only went to the NCAA tourney twice. How do any of you feel good about tearing into Oakland when u have the exact same record. Plus, your two NCAA trips you won the tournament at home. Didn't you lose to a ten seed.  Now, really, I'm not ripping you, I'm asking how you can make those statements when your team did no better.  Does it make you feel better to say that stuff.

[VU2014]

Oh Grizz... your insecurities are showing again.