Valpo won after being down by 8 in the first half.
Rossi didn't play until the second half and Ben Boggs didn't play at all. Anyone know Boggs reason for sitting?
Capo needs to stop shooting the 3 and stay with the inside game. Capo's muscle in the post is outstanding and very very welcome.
Against a quick athletic team Bogan is not the answer at point guard. Boy, will Dority be welcome relief if he acclimates well to the rotation in December.
Fernandez has not perfected the dunk yet. Hopefully he improves before a meaningful dunk is missed. On the other hand Vashil is improving in his floor game ever more slightly but improve he has. A really good sign when he made 1 of his 2 FT's.
Buggs' athletic ability and tenacious defense is so awesome. He really is going to have a great year. Erik made 2 FT's and I almost forgot how many he missed the last few years.
An interesting game to listen tot. first half sounded like many games last year where we couldn't hit a three and we were relying on the 3 to win. Second half Bryce said "call off the 3" and we respond with a dominating win. Short three guys, we still win easily and show a lot of versatility. Nice.
Boggs tweaked his ankle in practice yesterday and sat out as a precaution.
I think Boggs has a tweaked ankle.
As far a 3 pointers goes, in the second half, they took half as many and made twice as many , as in the 1st half, for a total of 3 -21 - a pathetic 14.3%.
Game should serve as a wake-up call! We can't have a half like that first one again in Horizon League play. We won't be able to come back.
The second half was a much better showing as they seemed to wake up. Besides the missed threes, the turnovers first half were just silly.
I think our starting five is solid and ready to go. Our second unit has yet to gel. Vashil just needs to play more and keep the ball above his head, Bobby needs to stay INSIDE the 3 point arc.
I think we are as ready as we can be going into Georgia Southern. Now why are we making it a "white out"? Their colors are blue and white... We now have 3 colors and they aren't white. Am I missing something?
We actually have more then 3 colors, http://valpo.edu/brand/overview/colorpalettecriteria.php (http://valpo.edu/brand/overview/colorpalettecriteria.php)
Still, white is nowhere to be seen?
Crusaders dominate in second half to beat Robert Morris
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-dominate-in-second-half-to-beat-robert-morris/article_ab792e3d-499b-57c2-b8be-c93d17c16bc7.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-dominate-in-second-half-to-beat-robert-morris/article_ab792e3d-499b-57c2-b8be-c93d17c16bc7.html)
Valparaiso cruises past Robert Morris
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/16135754-556/mens-basketball-valparaiso-cruises-past-robert-morris.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/16135754-556/mens-basketball-valparaiso-cruises-past-robert-morris.html)
Quote from: historyman on November 03, 2012, 09:50:48 PM
Valpo won after being down by 8 in the first half.
Rossi didn't play until the second half and Ben Boggs didn't play at all. Anyone know Boggs reason for sitting?
Capo needs to stop shooting the 3 and stay with the inside game. Capo's muscle in the post is outstanding and very very welcome.
Against a quick athletic team Bogan is not the answer at point guard. Boy, will Dority be welcome relief if he acclimates well to the rotation in December.
Fernandez has not perfected the dunk yet. Hopefully he improves before a meaningful dunk is missed. On the other hand Vashil is improving in his floor game ever more slightly but improve he has. A really good sign when he made 1 of his 2 FT's.
Buggs' athletic ability and tenacious defense is so awesome. He really is going to have a great year. Erik made 2 FT's and I almost forgot how many he missed the last few years.
buggs' ft shooting last year was much better than his previous two years of play. hopefully the upward trend continues again this year.
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
Have you looked at IU's roster?
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Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AMAfter these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU.
I bet Crean is very happy that Bobby found a good place for himself and that as long as Valpo isn't playing IU he's happy that Capo is helping Valpo win and making a difference. I'm sure Tom is clapping for Bobby all the time.
http://crimsoncast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Crean-Clap.jpg (http://crimsoncast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Crean-Clap.jpg)
Some of my photos from the game:
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/2ds3tx.jpg)
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Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
I imagine Crean hasn't second guessed himself once on the Capo situation. Let's hope Bobby continues o play inside and dominate against bigger more talented teams. So far I'm happy with his play around the rim, let's just stay inside the arc big fella!
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
I can safely say that Crean isn't missing Bobby at all. He has the #1 team in the nation, preseason national player of the year, and the #1 recruiting class (or #2 depending on where you look).
I am also sure he hopes Bobby does well at Valpo, but realistically there wasn't going to be much PT for Bobby at IU.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 04, 2012, 09:24:16 AM
Quote from: historyman on November 03, 2012, 09:50:48 PM
Valpo won after being down by 8 in the first half.
Rossi didn't play until the second half and Ben Boggs didn't play at all. Anyone know Boggs reason for sitting?
Capo needs to stop shooting the 3 and stay with the inside game. Capo's muscle in the post is outstanding and very very welcome.
Against a quick athletic team Bogan is not the answer at point guard. Boy, will Dority be welcome relief if he acclimates well to the rotation in December.
Fernandez has not perfected the dunk yet. Hopefully he improves before a meaningful dunk is missed. On the other hand Vashil is improving in his floor game ever more slightly but improve he has. A really good sign when he made 1 of his 2 FT's.
Buggs' athletic ability and tenacious defense is so awesome. He really is going to have a great year. Erik made 2 FT's and I almost forgot how many he missed the last few years.
buggs' ft shooting last year was much better than his previous two years of play. hopefully the upward trend continues again this year.
I am interested to see how teams play Buggs on offense. Late last year teams were sagging off him and daring him to shoot. That of course makes it more difficult to get into the lane, and clogs up things for everyone else. If he can at least knock down an outside shot occasionally, that would help a lot.
I feel that Bobby needs to keep his shooting within 10 feet. There is no reason for a big his size to be playing on the perimeter. We will lose a large rebounding advantage if he's playing on the perimeter, or shooting it from there. I would rather he has a shooting line of 9-12 from 2-pt range, rather than 0-5 from 3-pt. I like the thought stated above of 17 and 8 from Bobby, but if he stays on the inside on both sides of the court, he'll be a double-double guy of the same variety as Ryan, plus we'll get a lot more rebound advantages that we lost in the past. Once we can get some game video going, it will be nice to see how the defenses play our frontcourt, opening up shots and passing lanes for our guards. With a line like Vashil, KVW, and Capo, plus a lot of defenders still focusing on Ryan, it will open up a lot of opportunity for our 1s and 2s to get some good shots, and hopefully some better shot selection than just chucking the ball up from the arc.
Since I wasn't on this board then, what were the consensus feelings on Cory Johnson's outside game?
Did people feel the same way they did about Capobianco's (outside game), and if not, why?
Just wondering. I feel like I can't be the only 5'7" white dude that ever watched a game and said "if *I* were 6'10" i would NEVER leave the lane!!!"
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 04, 2012, 12:41:05 PMSince I wasn't on this board then, what were the consensus feelings on Cory Johnson's outside game? Did people feel the same way they did about Capobianco's (outside game), and if not, why? Just wondering. I feel like I can't be the only 5'7" white dude that ever watched a game and said "if *I* were 6'10" i would NEVER leave the lane!!!"
Cory Johnson's outside game was a tale of two years. He shot 51% on 3 pointers during his junior year and 22% on 3's during his senior year, with almost all of the misses short, not long. Throughout his VU career, Cory was capable of hitting a mid range jump shot, but that was not his expertise. The way I see it, Capo is just a bigger, more physical Cory Johnson.
pal - i love the photos. keep them coming! are you taking them with a camera or a phone? assuming camera - what model?
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 04, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
pal - i love the photos. keep them coming! are you taking them with a camera or a phone? assuming camera - what model?
Let me guess: A Nikon D3S Let's see how I did! ;)
Quote from: vu72 on November 04, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 04, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
pal - i love the photos. keep them coming! are you taking them with a camera or a phone? assuming camera - what model?
Let me guess: A Nikon D3S Let's see how I did! ;)
Thanks, vuweathernerd. Don't I wish I had a Nikon D3S, vu72! I use a Canon 2Ti (550D), which I believe is one-tenth the price of the Nikon D3S.
A couple of folks have contacted me with messages asking for high resolution copies of the photos, for which I felt honored and was pleased to supply the images. Also, I don't want to bother people with too many photos on the board. Therefore, I have begun a photo blog,
Valpo Basketball Photography, where I will post many more pictures whenever I attend games, and they will be available for high-resolution download to anyone who wants by simply clicking on the photo images. I have already posted about 20 photos, and I will be adding more soon. Anyone interested can find them at the following link: http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AMCapobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year. After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
Tom Crean misses Bobby Capobianco about as much as he misses Tom Pritchard. In his first three years, Crean lacked a very good Center, and now that he has Zeller, he doesn't miss Capo or any other big man. But next year, when Zeller is gone to the NBA, and Capo is the star of Valpo's team, then Crean will miss Capo.
Quote from: vubballfan10 on November 04, 2012, 03:45:02 PMBut next year, when Zeller is gone to the NBA, and Capo is the star of Valpo's team, then Crean will miss Capo.
Wouldn't this have been Cap's last year had he stayed at IU? With big guys like Hanner Perea still on the roster and that incoming recruiting class IU will be loaded for years to come.
I'm glad we have Cap, and just wonder how short we can make his name in our efforts to save time and energy.
Quote from: HC on November 04, 2012, 04:05:21 PM
Quote from: vubballfan10 on November 04, 2012, 03:45:02 PMBut next year, when Zeller is gone to the NBA, and Capo is the star of Valpo's team, then Crean will miss Capo.
Wouldn't this have been Cap's last year had he stayed at IU? With big guys like Hanner Perea still on the roster and that incoming recruiting class IU will be loaded for years to come.
I'm glad we have Cap, and just wonder how short we can make his name in our efforts to save time and energy.
I believe that's a job for SadersofthelostArc ::)
How much shorter than Capo did you need?? ;)
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
As everyone has said in other ways- maybe Crean knew he wasn't going to play a DII or NAIA schedule for the whole season.
Quote from: motowntitan on November 04, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
As everyone has said in other ways- maybe Crean knew he wasn't going to play a DII or NAIA schedule for the whole season.
Good point Titan! I'm sure Crean would have no interest in anyone who could run up the score against mighty teams like Ryerson (?) or Tiffin (?) either. :crazy:
FWIW -- Ryerson is a Canadian University located in Toronto that, prior to the UDM loss, also lost to Wake Forest 80-88 at home in Toronto. Tiffin is a D-II college in Ohio in the same conference with Wayne State. Tiffin was 15-14 last season.
I know one thing. Bobby didn't throw any flower pots at Crean or his secretary!
I also know that UDM people should not be giving out any advice on how an athletic dept should be run!
Nanner....Nanner!!!
Anyone worry that if Bobby has a good season, he pulls a BWood and leaves for his last year of eligibility?
C'mon, Tex, you're the one with the girlfriend stories. Bobby's girlfriend is from Valpo, and while she is at IU, she'll graduate this year and hopefully go back home where her senior boyfriend would also live.
Of course, that means that they'd have to still be together.
Nah. Why would you sit out one year just to play one, and move again? Nothing about his background says "BWood" to me.
Now, if Detective Sgt. Garber tries to apprehend him at 3 AM and he claims to be the best player on this team, well...then...maybe.
Quote from: valpotx on November 05, 2012, 03:34:41 AM
Anyone worry that if Bobby has a good season, he pulls a BWood and leaves for his last year of eligibility?
Not likely, but always a valid question when you have guys graduating before their eligibility is gone. I guess the question also applies to Rossi and Chadwick after next season.
It's also valid because a.) Capobianco appears poised to put up some big numbers this year, b. ) he's got the size to compete in BCS conferences, and c. ) I sense that he believes he never got a fair shake at IU and would like to prove them wrong. What better way to do that than to reappear in the Big Ten at a school like Purdue?
Right or wrong, it really seems like the big schools are aggressively recruiting 5th year guys who might be able to help their teams. Until the NCAA changes the rule or cracks down on tampering by the big schools, it's something coaches need to worry about.
After the Julius Mays deal at WSU, Donlon was hot and even commented that he might try to make sure his 5th year guys don't graduate in 4 years so they can't take advantage of the rule. He may have been joking, but I'm sure he's not the only mid-major coach to think about using that strategy to keep their players from being poached away by the MSU's and Kentucky's of the world.
Eddie got what I was saying, in that I imagine he is on track to graduate this year, and wouldn't have to sit out if transferring somewhere. I guess it is a risk you take with transfers, so I will hope that he is more Cory Johnson than BWood in his thinking!
Well, if anyone is heading towards IU-Bloomington over a weekend make sure to offer BC (shorter but same amount of syllables) a ride.
Quote from: valpotx on November 05, 2012, 11:11:40 AMEddie got what I was saying, in that I imagine he is on track to graduate this year, and wouldn't have to sit out if transferring somewhere
No, I got it too, thanks--I'm saying why would you spend two years to play one, and then move again? Even BWood spent three years here to play two, a slightly better ratio. If he wanted to prove himself in a bigger conference, he would have
transferred to a bigger conference in the first place...are you certain that no other team in a BCS conference wouldn't have wanted a B1G transfer?
ASU wanted Richie Edwards, for God's sake.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 05, 2012, 12:02:07 PM
No, I got it too, thanks--I'm saying why would you spend two years to play one, and then move again?
I don't know, but I'm sure Julius Mays could explain it. ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 05, 2012, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 05, 2012, 11:11:40 AMEddie got what I was saying, in that I imagine he is on track to graduate this year, and wouldn't have to sit out if transferring somewhere
No, I got it too, thanks--I'm saying why would you spend two years to play one, and then move again? Even BWood spent three years here to play two, a slightly better ratio. If he wanted to prove himself in a bigger conference, he would have transferred to a bigger conference in the first place...are you certain that no other team in a BCS conference wouldn't have wanted a B1G transfer?
ASU wanted Richie Edwards, for God's sake.
Brandon only spent two years at Valpo.
Also, are we seriously discussing a transfer graduating and deciding to transfer again for his fifth year, before said transfer has ever played a regular season game?
Yes, as unfortunately, it seems like that is the way college sports has moved forward. It's kind of like a free agent in professional sports in their contract year. They get one year of play to upgrade their next 'contract'
I'm sure we will continue to see some percentage of redshirted players transfer after 4 years. That said, I think it will always be small and almost exclusively players who haven't transferred before. I think back to the time between my jr. and sr. years. The last thing I was interested in doing was leaving my friends and environment I was familiar with, enrolling somewhere else, moving my stuff, adjusting to a new campus, making new friends, etc. - all for a 9-month stay in a strange place.
I suppose if I had handlers constantly in my ear telling me how a move could be my ticket to future riches, maybe I would feel differently. That said, I doubt if anyone will be telling any of our players that.
And with KVW and Rowdy graduating wouldn't Capo be "the man" in 2013-14? That should count for something.
Not to mention the fact that Capo and his teammates are close. Quite honestly, that was not the case with Brandon.
Brandon however was close with Julius Mays.
CHEF +1
Rather than acting the jilted girl and wondering when we're going to get dumped again, I'm honestly surprised we've made it through 42 posts on this topic and no one making a "how can anyone think Robert Morris could cut it in the Horizon League?" joke...
Apostle, if the Robert Morris we played on Saturday is the same Robert Morris that is being discussed in HL expansion talks, the jokes would be worth it, but a commuter NAIA school isn't going to get a lot of hype to jump that far, especially when they don't really have a gym to call home.
Brandon Wood was close with Brandon McPherson, this video says it all: Valpo Men's Basketball Interview with The Brandons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vufZ2xM-g#)
In one preseason NAIA poll Robert Morris (IL) was ranked 4th in the country. In a division with little height those RMU guards are pretty tough and athletic.
Quote from: vu72 on November 04, 2012, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: motowntitan on November 04, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 04, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Capobianco appears to be as good (or better) than advertised! I don't expect him to score 20 every game, but he really looks like he could be a 17 and 8 guy, which would be good enough for first team HL consideration. He's clearly going to be better than Edwards was last year.
After these first two games, I bet Crean is wondering why he let Bobby leave IU. :crazy:
As everyone has said in other ways- maybe Crean knew he wasn't going to play a DII or NAIA schedule for the whole season.
Good point Titan! I'm sure Crean would have no interest in anyone who could run up the score against mighty teams like Ryerson (?) or Tiffin (?) either. :crazy:
The difference is that I didn't come on here to "tout" either of our games.
1) I know the reality is that the only times these games have meaning is when the upsets are pulled. See Butler vs Northern State in 2011- It was a harbinger of the season to come for that team.
2) I just hope that the Horizon League make it through them without any injuries.
3) My point is that we can't say any of out players look to be all-world from playing these exhibition games. That was the only statement from Eddie that I commented on in my reply ( and I wasn't the only one that stated the same idea).
4) Even looking at your DI schedule- Capo won't be challenged until Nebraska. That would be a good game to see if he is ready to be a big time DI player.
Finally, I wish Valpo the best of luck, except for two or three games. I believe both of our teams have RPI boosted schedules.
The Horizon League cannot falter this year-we need to be a multi bid league- and then win a game or two in the NCAA.
People will have no idea how fast ESPN will stop putting our games on TV if we are reduced to a annual 1 bid, 1 loss team.
Run, see, that's where the humor comes in, pretending they're the same school since they have the same name....sigh...never mind.
Regarding Robert Morris. The HL speculation surrounds the D-I school in Pennsylvania not the Illinois NAIA school.
http://www.rmucolonials.com (http://www.rmucolonials.com)
NEWS FLASH: People on this board need to use the designation <sarc> for sarcasm, ending it with </sarc>, even in really really obvious situations, or else people will think you are being serious, don't have a sense of humor, and actually believe the jokes you are making to be fact.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 06, 2012, 06:41:54 AM
NEWS FLASH: People on this board need to use the designation <sarc> for sarcasm, ending it with </sarc>, even in really really obvious situations, or else people will think you are being serious, don't have a sense of humor, and actually believe the jokes you are making to be fact.
Or maybe the wink or roll eyes faces. Or, people need to be able to recognize sarcasm, which is becoming a lost art in the written word.
i think i want to use <snarc> instead. even better.
like
<snarc> "Robert Morris? How 'bout to tell them apart, we call the one in Chicago Robert Lessis? Hur hur hur." </snarc>
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 06, 2012, 02:27:53 PM
i think i want to use <snarc> instead. even better.
like
<snarc> "Robert Morris? How 'bout to tell them apart, we call the one in Chicago Robert Lessis? Hur hur hur." </snarc>
:clap: :thumbsup: :lol:
Just to put a nail in the head of any "what if Capo leaves" talk before he's even played a legit game for us:
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/16201859-556/mens-basketball-bobby-capobianco-set-to-utilize-perimeter-skills-for-valparaiso.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/16201859-556/mens-basketball-bobby-capobianco-set-to-utilize-perimeter-skills-for-valparaiso.html)
...he's graduating in December and starting his MBA at VU in the spring.
Let's go back to real life, like <snarc>ing on people.
Quote from: chef on November 05, 2012, 02:07:46 PM
Brandon however was close with Julius Mays.
...and apparently was a major influence in Mays' decision to leave WSU for Kentucky.
"I had talked with my friend, Brandon Wood... and I just felt like I couldn't miss the opportunity to play at the highest level. It wasn't that I had to prove myself necessarily, I just wanted to be part of the highest level and play with and against the best," explains Mays.
"Julius, that is my brother," states Wood, "I told him that this is a life changing decision and one that he cannot pass up. He will have the opportunity to network with a whole new university, current students and alumni, that are represented all around the world on the court and in the business world. [It's a] decision that he will not regret and like I said, will completely change his life from this point forward."
http://www.scoutingthemidmajors.com/ (http://www.scoutingthemidmajors.com/)
I have always been a Brandon supporter, but I have to admit that this leaves me a little cold.
Cold? Probably the same feeling B-Wood had when he was shooting against U-M -- the first game -- and then again afterward, when Izzo called him half a freshman, as in "we start three-and-a-half freshmen".
It can lead to the amazing opportunity of being cut by a Macedonian basketball team...