Looks like it should be a good one!
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/67149/3-point-shot-scoping-out-bracketbusters (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/67149/3-point-shot-scoping-out-bracketbusters)
So using that article and logic... we have 2 likely opponents. Illinois State or Ohio U. I don't think they'd give us Kent State or Detroit, but then again it would be fun to beat them 4 times this year!
Certainly not Detroit as I'm pretty sure there is a prohibition against playing teams from your own conference. Illinois State would be good as we play at Missouri State and two wins against Missouri Valley teams would certainly help the resume.
Illinois State would be a good game to get, so that we can show Alec Peters he made the correct choice :).
Interesting to note that Bryce is probably loving his decision to turn down Mississippi State. He has a solid team, good recruits coming in, and it sounds like the Bulldogs are having a lot of trouble just fielding a team right now (#3 on that link).
Quote from: MattCarter on November 15, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
So using that article and logic... we have 2 likely opponents. Illinois State or Ohio U. I don't think they'd give us Kent State or Detroit, but then again it would be fun to beat them 4 times this year!
Why not Creighton? They will likely be the best road team in Bracketbuster and would seem to be a good matchup. That would be the marquee BB game and could really bolster Valpo's at-large resume.
Playing Creighton would give Rowdy an opportunity to guard a player with NBA level talent, Doug McDermott. McDermott does play the 4 at Creighton, right?
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 15, 2012, 12:21:02 PMQuote from: MattCarter on November 15, 2012, 11:19:01 AMSo using that article and logic... we have 2 likely opponents. Illinois State or Ohio U. I don't think they'd give us Kent State or Detroit, but then again it would be fun to beat them 4 times this year!
Why not Creighton? They will likely be the best road team in Bracketbuster and would seem to be a good matchup. That would be the marquee BB game and could really bolster Valpo's at-large resume.
Wasn't mentioned in the article as a possible opponent...that is why I didn't bring them up.
How about they quit having the #!&$@ bracket buster. Takes a team away from focusing on their own tourament. Didn't we have to travel right before our tournament?
I don't mind the Bracketbuster games, but it's way too early to focus on opponents for that. Right now, the Bracketbuster talk is about as good as Lunardi's Bracketology predictions. What sample size do any teams have to talk about who they should play in February when we're two weeks into the season, and some teams barely played two games, based on their scheduled opponents?
Quote from: valporun on November 16, 2012, 11:18:33 AMRight now, the Bracketbuster talk is about as good as Lunardi's Bracketology predictions.
+1
Quote from: Smj on November 16, 2012, 10:22:31 AMHow about they quit having the #!&$@ bracket buster. Takes a team away from focusing on their own tourament. Didn't we have to travel right before our tournament?
Suddenly you get your wish. No bracketbuster after this season's February 2013 games.
ok, 6-weeks before the pairings are announced... using the Sagarin's through games of 12/20...
Top 12 "Home teams" Top 12 "Visiting teams"
Wichita State - 19 Creighton 13
Belmont - 25 Illinois St 34
Murray State - 41 Canisius 44
St. Marys (CA) - 51 No. Dakota St 56
UIC - 52 SFAustin 58
Akron - 65 Bradley 83
Davidson - 103 Weber State 87
Valpo - 108 Detroit 90
Western Ill - 110 Ohio 92
Utah State - 111 Loyola (MD) 95
Oral Roberts - 113 Northwestern State 101
Northern Iowa - 117 Gardner-Webb 120
The bottom 3
Liberty 334 Missouri State 341
Nebr-Omaha - 335 Citadel 342
Presbyterian - 347 Longwood 344
Valpo History in the 'buster:
School Year W / L score Game 1 or 2 Home/Away
Butler 2004-05 Loss 72-69 1 away
Niagara 2005-06 Win 88-82 1 home
Western Mich 2006-07 Loss (ot) 89-80 1 away
Niagara 2006-07 Win 70-58 2 away
Butler 2006-07 Loss 60-47 2 home
Miami (OH) 2007-08 Win (2ot) 99-94 1 home
Western Mich 2007-08 Win 77-65 2 home
Akron 2008-09 Win 74-66 1 home
Miami (OH) 2008-09 Loss 62-50 2 away
Bowling Green 2009-10 Loss 87-70 1 away
Akron 2009-10 Loss 77-57 2 away
Missouri State 2010-11 Win 80-67 1 home
Loyola - Marymt 2011-12 Loss 61-53 1 away
Bowling Green 2011-12 Win 82-79 2 home
Missouri State 2012-13 Win 62-54 2 away
Loyola - Marymt 2013-14 home
A win over Murray State and UIC might move us up to the Illinois State category... One of those wins, might get us Bradley... otherwise, Ohio or lower... if the announcement was coming out that early.
Bracketbusters will be announced Jan 28th, so by my count that gives us 9 more games (including tough road matchups at Murray St, UIC, and Detroit) to improve our rankings, so we can draw the best matchup possible. Personally I would like to see us up against a Valley team, preferably Illinois St. After watching them beat Dayton a couple of nights ago they look like a solid team and would give us a tough game in the ARC
thanks for the legwork, talks.
does anyone know what their "formula" for the matchups is? obviously they eschew repeats of conference matchups and rematches of non-con; they also try to match like vs. like.
but are there other criteria--at least that are public?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 21, 2012, 10:19:25 PMdoes anyone know what their "formula" for the matchups is? obviously they eschew repeats of conference matchups and rematches of non-con; they also try to match like vs. like.
but are there other criteria--at least that are public?
Whatever match-ups look good on TV (evenly matched, close contests) and they try to keep the traveling cost to a minimum. That's about it.
Quote from: bbtds on December 21, 2012, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 21, 2012, 10:19:25 PMdoes anyone know what their "formula" for the matchups is? obviously they eschew repeats of conference matchups and rematches of non-con; they also try to match like vs. like.
but are there other criteria--at least that are public?
Whatever match-ups look good on TV (evenly matched, close contests) and they try to keep the traveling cost to a minimum. That's about it.
Valpo played at Loyola Marymount last year, which is near Los Angeles. I don't see that as an austere way to schedule if they take that criterion seriously.
Quote from: DMvalpo18 on December 21, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 21, 2012, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 21, 2012, 10:19:25 PMdoes anyone know what their "formula" for the matchups is? obviously they eschew repeats of conference matchups and rematches of non-con; they also try to match like vs. like.
but are there other criteria--at least that are public?
Whatever match-ups look good on TV (evenly matched, close contests) and they try to keep the traveling cost to a minimum. That's about it.
Valpo played at Loyola Marymount last year, which is near Los Angeles. I don't see that as an austere way to schedule if they take that criterion seriously.
That is true. On the other hand if you look at most of Valpo's other bracketbuster opponents they were fairly close.
Butler, Niagara, Western Michigan, Miami (OH), Akron, Bowling Green and Missouri State have been Valpo's other bracketbuster opponents. Somebody at ESPN must have thought it was Valpo's turn for a longer trip.
I think that since home and away are decided by alternating the home games with away games ESPN can't get a perfect geographic fit for every team each year.
Ah, to be on a board where people use the correct singular of criteria and drop words like austere.
I say someone looks into the magic 8 ball and picks a "most likely to be our opponent this week" until they actually announce it.
that'd be more fun than watching the Peregrines, or the Penguins, or Pereguins, whatever these mini-school mascots are.
say "Ohio", but I wish it were "Bradley".
I don't know that they have any published "rules" about the pairings. For the TV games they don't seem to care too much about travel. For the non-TV matchups, they do seem to respect travel distances much of the time - but there have obviously been exceptions. They seem to avoid, maybe even prohibit, conference match-ups. Not sure how they feel about re-matches from the same season, but they're rare at best.
Many years, the match-ups are almost exactly according to RPI. The last three years the guys at the VCU fan site did a very nice job of tracking the likely match-ups.
http://www.vcuramnation.com/forums/forums/ (http://www.vcuramnation.com/forums/forums/)
But, I don't see anything this year. Odd. Maybe it'll show up soon.
Here's a glimpse of last year's thread
http://www.vcuramnation.com/forums/threads/bracket-buster-2012-final-01-30-12-do-not-post-here.7481/ (http://www.vcuramnation.com/forums/threads/bracket-buster-2012-final-01-30-12-do-not-post-here.7481/)
The bracketbuster has run it's course. Let's hope Valpo gets a nice match-up they can win and then let's see what ESPN dreams up for next year. I certainly think the Horizon League will be heavily involved in whatever ESPN comes up with.
bbtds, I'm not sure if the VCU guys will do anything with the Bracketbuster because I don't believe the A-10 plays in the Bracketbuster, so they would have no interest in it this year.
I agree. Maybe ESPN will be matching up conferences next year.
Updating the 12/21 posting... here are the top Home and Visiting teams based on this morning (1/9) Sagarin...Valpo is up to the #7 rated Home Team....
Home Team RANK CONF - H Visiting Team RANK-A CONF-A
Wichita State 15 Miss val Creighton 11 Miss val
Belmont 27 ohio val North Dakota State 47 summit
Akron 55 mid am Stephen F. Austin 54 southland
St. Mary's (Calif.) 61 West Cst Illinois State 75 Miss val
Murray State 67 ohio val Weber State 81 big sky
Indiana State 79 Miss val Canisius 83 metro Ath
Valparaiso 89 horiz Detroit 90 horiz
Utah State 93 WAC Ohio 92 mid am
Northern Iowa 98 Miss val Bradley 96 Miss val
Davidson 104 southern Iona 103 metro Ath
UIC 110 horiz Northwestern State 107 southland
College of Charleston 111 southern Denver 108 WAC
Fairfield 114 metro Ath Cal State Fullerton 117 big west
Youngstown State 115 horiz Kent State 123 mid am
Loyola (Ill.) 116 horiz Loyola (Md.) 128 metro Ath
I know this isn't the real list they use...but for conversation's sake (I have not looked at schedules to see what teams have played each other):
ND State goes to Wichita State
Creighton goes to Belmont
SFAustin goes to Utah State
Illinois State goes to Akron
Weber State goes to St. Marys
Detroit goes to Indiana State
Bradley goes to Valpo
Ohio goes to Northern Iowa
oh, the lowest rated match up in the Sagarins would be Presbyterian #346 hosting Citadel #345
Go Valpo! Beat UIC!
Quote from: talksalot on January 09, 2013, 05:01:14 PM
ND State goes to Wichita State
Creighton goes to Belmont
SFAustin goes to Utah State
Illinois State goes to Akron
Weber State goes to St. Marys
Detroit goes to Indiana State
Bradley goes to Valpo
Ohio goes to Northern Iowa
I'm sure our recruit, Alec Peters, would like to see Valpo knock off Bradley. It would make it easier to brag about his college choice when the details show up in a front page sports story of the Peoria Journal Star about your team beating up the home town team.
I had a quick run through the RPI's as of today.
If the Bracketbuster selection was today, instead of two weeks from today, I'd say we would likely have an ESPNU game.
But, if it goes by RPI as it often seems to have approximately done, there's not a lot of margin for error among the home teams.
I believe it has to do with RPI, but also takes into account a team's reputation. I believe prior BBs gave TV games to the better sounding match-ups when RPI was close for a few games
Quote from: vubballfan10 on November 15, 2012, 01:59:11 PMPlaying Creighton would give Rowdy an opportunity to guard a player with NBA level talent, Doug McDermott. McDermott does play the 4 at Creighton, right?
Quote from: vubballfan10 on November 15, 2012, 01:59:11 PMPlaying Creighton would give Rowdy an opportunity to guard a player with NBA level talent, Doug McDermott. McDermott does play the 4 at Creighton, right?
I believe McDermott does play the 4 at Creighton in a three guard lineup with Gibbs, Chatman, and Manigat, with Echenique in the middle. I would also love to see the Broekhoff/McDermott matchup, which is two guys who play the 4 in college but will definitely be at the 3 professionally.
I do not see us getting Creighton. We are currently 11th in RPI for the home BB teams. I just hope we don't get a sub 500 team like Savannah State but I think they would probably match them up to a Long Beach St or Oral Roberts who are both below 500. Gazing into my crystal ball I see Creighton going to Belmont and Evansville coming to Valpo for an all Indiana match up. Going by a straight RPI we would currently be matched up against Loyola but this time the Maryland version (some flaws in this logic as I ignored conferences). I have all the rankings in excel if anyone is interested but only posted the top 20 in a word format.
I would like to beat Evansville at home. After the job their refs did on us down there the last time...
After a Detroit game like that on the Family of Networks... ya gotta believe we get a nice TV game... Illinois State / Canisius. We did have Niagara a few years ago; a chance for the AD to go home when we do the return trip...
I'm assuming the return trips are still required even though they've canceled the bbuster for next year? We are still owed one by Loyola Marymount!
Yes, that provision would still apply. I doubt they put us against Illinois State if we are leading the HL. I think they are 0-6 in conference
Guarantee it will not be Illinois State. Win last night bumped us up to 91 in the RPI and moved us up the list of home BB teams. Illinois State has lost 6 in a row and is in the basement of the MV while we are near the top of the Horizon. Would love to have Creighton come to the ARC but I think the odds of this are low. Earlier in the week I thought Evansville but they lost to Drake and have to go to Indiana State on Saturday. We just need to win our next two games and I think the BB committee will reward a 15-5 (RPI record) Valpo with a nice oppoent on one of the ESPN Networks.
Plus we generally provide them (ESPN) with entertaining games and they love braodcasting from the ARC -- Miami (OH) and Detroit as examples.
Quote from: valpo84 on January 18, 2013, 10:40:16 AM
Plus we generally provide them (ESPN) with entertaining games and they love braodcasting from the ARC -- Miami (OH) and Detroit as examples.
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Don't forget about the beating we put on Missouri State with Dicky V in the house!
Just remembered the triple overtime win against Bowling Green at the ARC, which was also a BRacket Buster game as I recall.
They added our game at CSU onto ESPN2, which was a wildcard possibility earlier. If we win against WSU and GB at home, we will be 16-5 (6-1) and would receive one of the better away opponents due to record, mid-major reputation, and generally entertaining games on TV
Quote from: valpotx on January 18, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
They added our game at CSU onto ESPN2, which was a wildcard possibility earlier. If we win against WSU and GB at home, we will be 16-5 (6-1) and would receive one of the better away opponents due to record, mid-major reputation, and generally entertaining games on TV
And Valpo would be one victory away from a 7-1 January. That didn't seem as possible after the loss to Loyola at home.
Triple overtime game was against Miami wasn't it?
Quote from: sliman on January 18, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
Triple overtime game was against Miami wasn't it?
The triple OT game I remember was in 1995 when Valpo beat Western Illinois for the Mid-Con title. It was broadcast on ESPN 2 but the Mid-Con didn't have an NCAA tournament auto bid at the time.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/men-s-hoops-championship-initiated-years-of-success-at-valparaiso/article_59ef1a1c-e557-573e-bf26-a8626ae4f4a0.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/men-s-hoops-championship-initiated-years-of-success-at-valparaiso/article_59ef1a1c-e557-573e-bf26-a8626ae4f4a0.html)
It was a double OT game against Miami (OH) in the Bracketbuster in 2007-2008
Quote from: valpotx on January 18, 2013, 11:52:17 AM
It was a double OT game against Miami (OH) in the Bracketbuster in 2007-2008
i was hoarse for three days after that game. but it was so worth it. quite possibly the best game i went to in 4 1/2 years as a student.
Of the visiting teams, other than Creighton, the next best in the Sagarin's are North Dakota State at 46, Steven Austin at 53 thne Iona at 97, SD State at 104 and Evansville at 107. We are ranked 76, so a matchup could be with possibly Iona, SD State or Evansville. We'd get a better bump with playing SF Austin or ND State.
Quote from: valpotx on January 18, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
They added our game at CSU onto ESPN2, which was a wildcard possibility earlier. If we win against WSU and GB at home, we will be 16-5 (6-1) and would receive one of the better away opponents due to record, mid-major reputation, and generally entertaining games on TV
To decide who gets TV games, ESPN takes the top 13 "home team" RPI's and matches them up with the top 13 "away team" RPI's. Period. Image, reputation, past TV performances and other subjective measurements have nothing to do with it. Last year Butler didn't get a TV game because their RPI wasn't among the top 13 home or away teams. Just coming off of back-to-back appearances in the National Championship game, if reputation had anything to do with it, they would have had a prime time TV game.
Quote from: vu72 on January 18, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
Of the visiting teams, other than Creighton, the next best in the Sagarin's are North Dakota State at 46, Steven Austin at 53 thne Iona at 97, SD State at 104 and Evansville at 107. We are ranked 76, so a matchup could be with possibly Iona, SD State or Evansville. We'd get a better bump with playing SF Austin or ND State.
North Dakota State would have to make a 700 mile trip from Fargo to Valpo but of course that would be a shorter trip than their conference games at Oakland (925 miles), Fort Wayne (800 miles), IUPUI (825 miles) and Western Illinois (675 miles). The Bison have a 425 mile trip to Nebraska-Omaha and of course much shorter trips to South Dakota State in Brookings, SD (190 miles) and a bit longer but still in the Dakotas trip to South Dakota in Vermillion, SD (300 miles).
Quote from: bbtds on January 18, 2013, 02:41:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 18, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
Of the visiting teams, other than Creighton, the next best in the Sagarin's are North Dakota State at 46, Steven Austin at 53 thne Iona at 97, SD State at 104 and Evansville at 107. We are ranked 76, so a matchup could be with possibly Iona, SD State or Evansville. We'd get a better bump with playing SF Austin or ND State.
North Dakota State would have to make a 700 mile trip from Fargo to Valpo but of course that would be a shorter trip than their conference games at Oakland (925 miles), Fort Wayne (800 miles), IUPUI (825 miles) and Western Illinois (675 miles). The Bison have a 425 mile trip to Nebraska-Omaha and of course much shorter trips to South Dakota State in Brookings, SD (190 miles) and a bit longer but still in the Dakotas trip to South Dakota in Vermillion, SD (300 miles).
Somehow I don't think the committee cares about travel distance after seeing where they sent us last year!
i know we're supposed to host this year, but i'd love to see us end up at und or north dakota state. #dreamer
Quote from: wh on January 18, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 18, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
They added our game at CSU onto ESPN2, which was a wildcard possibility earlier. If we win against WSU and GB at home, we will be 16-5 (6-1) and would receive one of the better away opponents due to record, mid-major reputation, and generally entertaining games on TV
To decide who gets TV games, ESPN takes the top 13 "home team" RPI's and matches them up with the top 13 "away team" RPI's. Period. Image, reputation, past TV performances and other subjective measurements have nothing to do with it. Last year Butler didn't get a TV game because their RPI wasn't among the top 13 home or away teams. Just coming off of back-to-back appearances in the National Championship game, if reputation had anything to do with it, they would have had a prime time TV game.
This can't be true. Do you really think that they would match us up against a currently 0-6 (MVC) Illinois State team after we beat WSU tomorrow? They WILL NOT put the HL leader against a bottom feeder team from another league, just because their RPI matches up.
and a quick update on the top teams using the Nolan-RPI and the -sagarin- figures
20 -24- wichita state 18 -9- creighton - we are 0-2 lifetime
24 -29- belmont 57 -46- n dakota state -we are 2-0 lifetime
47 -80- indiana state 60 -53- sf austin - we have never played the Lumberjacks, but their football stadium: Homer Bryce Stadium
67 -54- st marys 64 -104- s dakota state - we are 1-1 lifetime
79 -56- akron 82 -111- eastern ky - we are 1-3 lifetime
85 -102- utah state 96 -107- evansville - we are 17-65 against them
86 -101- murray state 99 -93- detroit - we beat them 219-313 !!
87 -87- northern iowa 106 -97- iona we are 0-2 lifetime
91 -76- valpo 109 -131- loyola (MD)... don't really know, there are 5 "unknown loyola" teams
95 -162- tennessee state 114 -159- northwestern state - we are 1-0 lifetime
97 -117- oral roberts 115 -81- weber state - we have never played these Wildcats
100 -137- uic 125 -132- canisius - we are 1-1 lifetime
Could be Iona... the Gaels, might be nice to have a return trip... back to New Rochelle New York (ok who remembers: That Girl!); might be interesting to play another Loyola...with the Marymount Lions coming to the ARC next year... and we do play well against canine mascots!
Quote from: valpotx on January 18, 2013, 05:54:04 PM
Quote from: wh on January 18, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 18, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
They added our game at CSU onto ESPN2, which was a wildcard possibility earlier. If we win against WSU and GB at home, we will be 16-5 (6-1) and would receive one of the better away opponents due to record, mid-major reputation, and generally entertaining games on TV
To decide who gets TV games, ESPN takes the top 13 "home team" RPI's and matches them up with the top 13 "away team" RPI's. Period. Image, reputation, past TV performances and other subjective measurements have nothing to do with it. Last year Butler didn't get a TV game because their RPI wasn't among the top 13 home or away teams. Just coming off of back-to-back appearances in the National Championship game, if reputation had anything to do with it, they would have had a prime time TV game.
This can't be true. Do you really think that they would match us up against a currently 0-6 (MVC) Illinois State team after we beat WSU tomorrow? They WILL NOT put the HL leader against a bottom feeder team from another league, just because their RPI matches up.
How did Illinois State became a part of this conversation? They have an RPI of 157 and aren't even close to being a TV game candidate or being matched up with us.
By the way, they absolutely do match up
TV game opponents by RPI. The only tweaking they do with TV match-ups is moving teams around so 2 teams in the same conference don't play each other and that kind of thing. Why do you think we got stuck going to California to play Loyola Marymount? Simply, if they had the 8th highest RPI among host teams (or whatever), we had the 8th highest RPI among visiting teams.
Maybe you are thinking about the other appx. 100 teams that don't get TV games. Unlike the TV game opponents (which are chosen by ESPN based on RPI), a committee formed by the NCAA matches up those opponents. They finagle those match-ups at will to limit travel, take advantage of natural rivalries, increase attendance, etc.
Quote from: talksalot on January 18, 2013, 07:01:26 PMback to New Rochelle New York (ok who remembers: That Girl!);
Actually it was Rob Petrie, his wife Laura, and son, Richie, from the Dick Van Dyke Show that lived in New Rochelle, NY.I believe That Girl, Marlo Thomas lived in Manhattan.From wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dick_Van_Dyke_Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dick_Van_Dyke_Show)Other scenes focus on the home life of Rob, his wife Laura (Mary Tyler Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Tyler_Moore)), and son Richie[/i] (Larry Mathews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Mathews)), who live at 148 Bonnie Meadow Lane in suburban New Rochelle, New York[/i] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rochelle,_New_York)
OK... I had forgotten about Rob and Laura... but That Girl's parents were from New Rochelle; and as I recall, had many episodes with her and Donald going up there.... anyway... now you're gonna make me watch MeToo reruns to verify that.
OH, to answer the Illinois State comment... a month ago, they had a comparable RPI... now they don't... Loyola MD would not be bad match up; we get a good game... and we do have a good alumni group in the Baltimore-Washington area for the return trip next year.
Hey wh, help me out. What's your source? My recollection (mostly from following the annual VCU discussion) was that the RPI was a pretty good indicator of who was in, and who was out. And had something to do with match-ups. But that it was far from definitive.
I don't see anything at all on the Bracketbusters website about how the pairings are made.
Last year, details below, it looks about like I said. RPI had something to do with it, but was hardly definitive. (They went as far down as the 17th home and 17th away teams for 13 TV games. Necessarily skipping over teams, including the #10 home team by RPI and the #11 away team.)
For last year's details:
Here are the RPI's from Jan 30, 2012, the day ESPN announced the TV games
http://www.vcuramnation.com/forums/threads/bracket-buster-2012-final-01-30-12-do-not-post-here.7481/ (http://www.vcuramnation.com/forums/threads/bracket-buster-2012-final-01-30-12-do-not-post-here.7481/)
here are the TV pairings
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/01/cleveland_state_akron_earn_tv.html (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/01/cleveland_state_akron_earn_tv.html)
The number one away team, St. Mary's, was paired against the number two home team, Murray State. Which pushed Creighton, the number one RPI home team, all the way down to the number three away team, Long Beach State (maybe skipping over conference rival Wichita State).
All together, it looks like the match-ups went:
H2-A1 (ESPN or ESPNU)
H1-A3 (conference reasons, otherwise best remaining teams) (ESPN2)
H7-A2 (Davidson name appeal?) (ESPN or ESPN2)
H3-A5 (ESPN or ESPN2)
H11-A4 (VCU name appeal?) (ESPN2)
H4-A6 (best remaining teams) (ESPN or ESN2)
H5-A7 (best remaining teams) (ESPNU)
H6-A9 (ESPNU)
H8-A13 (RPI 71 vs RPI 127!) (Ohio vs. UNC Asheville) (EPSN3)
H12-A8 (ESPNU)
H9-A15 (Missouri State vs. Old Dominion) (ESPNU)
H17-A10 (RPI 108 vs 112) (Loyola Marymount vs. us) (ESPNU)
H13-A17 (RPI 91, RPI 136) (Weber State vs. UT Arlington) (ESPN3)
For 13 games they went as far down as the 17th home and 17th away teams by RPI.
Skipping over H10 (RPI 83 Loyola, MD), A11 (RPI 113 Indiana State), etc.
It seems the match-ups were _sometimes_ "highest remaining RPI vs. highest remaining RPI, avoiding conference foes". Maybe three of 13. Otherwise other factors must have come into play.
Looking at the numbers today (no different than what talksalot posted, really) we can _maybe_ tolerate losing one of the two remaining games before the pairings are announced (Wright State, Green Bay). But, it might push us down into the dangerous zone where a team lower than #13 might skip up over us. Perhaps our name recognition, the ARC, the Drews, etc. might be enough to let us get a game even if we were down in the e.g. #15 range (losing two games?) - but who knows?
We won't lose....at least I don't see it happening
Quote from: truth219 on January 19, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
We won't lose....at least I don't see it happening
glad to see you've changed your tune from the early season frustration and panic
Well we finally have pulled it together. We finally started to win consistantly on the road against solid opponents. I hope its a good turn out tonight for the boys. I know ill be there with pops
Quote from: vu72 on January 18, 2013, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 18, 2013, 10:40:16 AM
Plus we generally provide them (ESPN) with entertaining games and they love braodcasting from the ARC -- Miami (OH) and Detroit as examples.
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Don't forget about the beating we put on Missouri State with Dicky V in the house!
Just remembered the triple overtime win against Bowling Green at the ARC, which was also a BRacket Buster game as I recall.
Our bracketbuster game with Bowling Green was at their place, and we lost 87-70 in regulation.
Quote from: talksalot on January 19, 2013, 08:24:07 AMOK... I had forgotten about Rob and Laura... but That Girl's parents were from New Rochelle; and as I recall, had many episodes with her and Donald going up there.... anyway... now you're gonna make me watch MeToo reruns to verify that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Girl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Girl)According to wikipedia, Ann Marie was from Brewster, NY, which is across the state line from Danbury, CT. You could say that New Rochelle, which is in Westchester County on I-95, is on the way from Brewster to Manhattan. I'm not saying your incorrect about New Rochelle but I could find no mention of it. The writers for That Girl were the same writers who wrote the Dick Van Dyke Show so it would make sense that they would use New Rochelle, probably a place they knew, in both shows.
After the Wright State win we're up to RPI 84 (before the game went final we had fallen back to 95 or so). With some other teams dropping, we're currently the 6th best home RPI. But it's close, #4 Akron is at 69, then 70, 84, 91, 92, 93, 95.
Quote from: agibson on January 19, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
Hey wh, help me out. What's your source? My recollection (mostly from following the annual VCU discussion) was that the RPI was a pretty good indicator of who was in, and who was out. And had something to do with match-ups. But that it was far from definitive.
I don't see anything at all on the Bracketbusters website about how the pairings are made.
Last year, details below, it looks about like I said. RPI had something to do with it, but was hardly definitive. (They went as far down as the 17th home and 17th away teams for 13 TV games. Necessarily skipping over teams, including the #10 home team by RPI and the #11 away team.)
If I recall correctly, every participating conference was guaranteed at least one TV game. If a conference's top team RPI was below the cutoff, they replaced a higher team from a conference with more than 1 TV game. I think that's why Indiana State didn't get a TV game. They were the 6th and last MVC team in the top 13 RPI group, so they were lopped off in favor of someone from a conf. that didn't have a team in the top 13.
The America East and MEAC must have been upset.
Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2013, 03:16:12 PMThe America East and MEAC must have been upset.
When they lose, it's NEVER an upset.
Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2013, 03:16:12 PM
The America East and MEAC must have been upset.
Only 2 teams from America East and 3 from MEAC participated, thus they didn't get a TV guarantee. Any other questions, or can we put this to bed now?
Quote from: wh on January 20, 2013, 07:31:58 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2013, 03:16:12 PM
The America East and MEAC must have been upset.
Only 2 teams from America East and 3 from MEAC participated, thus they didn't get a TV guarantee. Any other questions, or can we put this to bed now?
It would appear that wh knows his stuff here ... keep challenging him if you'd like, but I'll assume he's correct until someone proves him wrong.
1/21 Predictions with current RPI's and records against Div 1 Opponents:
Wichita State (15,17-2) vs. ND State (53,14-4)
Belmont (24,13-4) vs. Creighton (22,17-2)
Indiana St (47,11-6) vs. SD State (60,12-6)
St Mary's (62,14-4) vs. SF Austin (69,12-1)
Akron (68,12-4) vs Eastern Kentucky (71,14-4)
Valpo (83,14-5) vs. Loyola Md (108,13-6)
At this point I think the Belmont/Creighton matchup is a lock. Unfortunately for Wichita St there is not another top 25 rpi away team for them to play (one of the reasons BB is over after this year, too many top mid-majors dropping out). SD State hosts ND State on Saturday so this could move things around. SF Austin and Utah St are two teams with great records but their weak SOS bring them down. Would like to see Valpo play someone with a higher RPI than them but they might be the odd team out at this point. RPI wise they are matched with Detroit but this cannot happen. The next team would be Evansville but they are 10-8 so I went down to Loyola Md at 13-6.
Here is a good site that projects RPI's for 1/28. Be sure to read thorugh the details as they do not update projections daily.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/bb.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/bb.html)
I would like to get matched up with ORU. I know its not the RPI team we want but its an old rival.
Can't happen, we are both hosting BB games.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 20, 2013, 09:40:28 PMIt would appear that wh knows his stuff here ... keep challenging him if you'd like, but I'll assume he's correct until someone proves him wrong.
I'm still hoping for a cite. Only because I've never seen ESPN explain their methodology at all.
Hey, wh, is there anything in the "rules" that would allow us to say "NO THANK YOU" to the match-up? I'm thinking that we would have said no, if not for the TV game, at LU-MMT....
Just went to the original ESPN announcement ... "The 13 BracketBusters matchups will be announced Monday, Jan. 28 with dates, times and networks."... so we only have one more game to impress the judges... Wednesday night we really need a great crowd, great atmosphere... and a win!...
We did our job now time for ESPN to do theirs. I know most of us are dreaming of drawing Creighton and some thought odds increased last night when they lost to Drake but I think what we need is the teams above us in RPI to lose before Monday (Belmont, St Mary's, and Akron). All 3 of these teams have stronger SOS and similar records to us.
Espn mid-major power rankings are out and we're in at 14. Should solidify a TV game for bracketbuster. If Ohio is an away team, that may be a good matchup or an old Summit v new Summit match with mid-major stars.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=collegebasketballnation&id=73820 (http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=collegebasketballnation&id=73820)
We've done what we can since Loyola, certainly, but it's hard to see us moving up from our current spot at #6 on the RPI list of home teams. A freak loss from Akron _might_ do it, two losses from St. Mary's might well do it - but I'm not sure one loss would.
Unfortunately, it's easier to imagine that we might move _down_. St. Mary's is at 64, Akron 68, we're 84 (not changed much on the Green Bay win), and then it's knotted pretty tight (85, 88, 89, 91, 92, 94, 103, then the other two Horizon League squads at 114 and 117).
It's easy to imagine that the actions of others will impact our RPI enough to bump us down a couple of spots, or push others above us.
It does seem almost certain that we'll stay in the top 13. We'd have to get awfully unlucky to fall that far (currently #13 is RPI 103 western michigan).
Just looking at the Sagarin's, we are currently 77th. We want to play someone ranked higher and there are two teams very close to us and away teams with Ohio being ranked 75 and Denver 70. If we want to play a team ranked higher than those two it would next be ND State at 57 and SF Austen at 54. I don't think we get either and am currently thinking it will be Ohio.
There are 9 ESPN2 and ESPNU games in total with 5 on ESPN2. We have a shot at ESPN2 but for sure will get a national tv game on the U.
My away spreadsheet's pretty out of date- I may be missing some teams that have risen. But, just updating the numbers for the teams that were high a couple of weeks ago.
It looks like the home teams are running ~10 points ahead of the away. We could be looking at a Loyola (Md), RPI 99, an Evansville, RPI 102, or, yes, an Ohio, RPI 111. If we get promoted a bit for whatever reason, it could be the likes of SD State or Stephen Austin. But, things being out of our hands now, we could well fall down the RPI ranks to an Iona, Denver, or whoever.
This would be a good juncture to remind ESPN that since they invented a spiffy new stat (BPI), maybe they should use their own stat to plan the BracketBuster.
We can only hope they do: we're 72 on BPI and 86 in RPI (as calculated by ESPN)!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi)
Interesting - I've not followed that development. It'd push us ahead of Indiana State. But, it would push Northern Iowa above us. Might be a wash.
Quote from: valpocleveland on January 24, 2013, 05:57:36 AMwhat we need is the teams above us in RPI to lose before Monday (Belmont, St Mary's, and Akron). All 3 of these teams have stronger SOS and similar records to us.
Wed Akron 71, Toledo 56ThurBelmont 64, Morehead St 63San Diego 48, St. Mary's 81These teams are not helping Valpo get higher in the rankings.
I'm just hoping for a start time of 5pm or later.
On a +, Utah St has lost 3 straight and should not jump Valpo for a better matchup.
I'm thinking it is down to loser of ND St/SD St game on Saturday, Loyola MD, or Ohio.
Quote from: valpocleveland on January 25, 2013, 06:27:48 AMOn a +, Utah St has lost 3 straight and should not jump Valpo for a better matchup.
Indeed, that helps our cause - I guess they've had key injuries? Oral Roberts' RPI is dropping on home victories against weak teams, and may continue to do so.
Northern Iowa dropped a little winning at home, but probably passes us if they beat Indiana State on the road. And, others are still hanging around in the high 80's, 90's, and 100's...
We dropped slightly to 86.
According to ESPN's TV listings, the BracketBuster selections are not this coming Monday - instead the following Monday, Feb. 4
http://espn.go.com/espntv/onair/index?start=2-04-13-2:00-PM (http://espn.go.com/espntv/onair/index?start=2-04-13-2:00-PM)
Quote from: agibson on January 25, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
Quote from: valpocleveland on January 25, 2013, 06:27:48 AMOn a +, Utah St has lost 3 straight and should not jump Valpo for a better matchup.
Indeed, that helps our cause - I guess they've had key injuries? Oral Roberts' RPI is dropping on home victories against weak teams, and may continue to do so.
Northern Iowa dropped a little winning at home, but probably passes us if they beat Indiana State on the road. And, others are still hanging around in the high 80's, 90's, and 100's...
We dropped slightly to 86.
Can't see ESPN gving a TV game to a team that is currently 10-9 plus, with Creighton and Wichita State for sure getting games I doubt they would given one conference 3 TV games.
Quote from: vu72 on January 25, 2013, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: agibson on January 25, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
Quote from: valpocleveland on January 25, 2013, 06:27:48 AMOn a +, Utah St has lost 3 straight and should not jump Valpo for a better matchup.
Indeed, that helps our cause - I guess they've had key injuries? Oral Roberts' RPI is dropping on home victories against weak teams, and may continue to do so.
Northern Iowa dropped a little winning at home, but probably passes us if they beat Indiana State on the road. And, others are still hanging around in the high 80's, 90's, and 100's...
We dropped slightly to 86.
Can't see ESPN gving a TV game to a team that is currently 10-9 plus, with Creighton and Wichita State for sure getting games I doubt they would given one conference 3 TV games.
They've given the HL 3 TV games before.
Quote from: vusupporter on January 25, 2013, 10:16:34 AM
According to ESPN's TV listings, the BracketBuster selections are not this coming Monday - instead the following Monday, Feb. 4
http://espn.go.com/espntv/onair/index?start=2-04-13-2:00-PM (http://espn.go.com/espntv/onair/index?start=2-04-13-2:00-PM)
Help me out - which channel, at which time? I'm not seeing it on that schedle on either the 4th or the 28th.
I've been operating based on
http://espnbracketbusters.com/site/press/press-releases?id=15 (http://espnbracketbusters.com/site/press/press-releases?id=15)
which says they'll be announced Monday, January 28.
ESPNU, 6:30 p.m. ET. This is consistent with when the Bracketbuster selection show has been in the past.
Quote from: vusupporter on January 25, 2013, 01:49:39 PMESPNU, 6:30 p.m. ET. This is consistent with when the Bracketbuster selection show has been in the past.
Yes, I see it now on Feb. 4, 2013 at 6:30 p.m. "Ramada Worldwide Bracketbusters Se..." (I assume it says "Selection Show.")If that is the case there are more games that Akron, Belmont and St. Mary's could lose and 2 more games for Valpo against YSU at Youngstown and Milwaukee at the ARC to sway the ESPN decision makers.EDIT: the times for those ESPN listings are Eastern Standard so the Bracketbusters Selection Show is 5:30 pm Valpo time.
Thanks. Poking around, I'm seeing some murmurings that the date was pushed back a week. But, your TV schedule is the closest thing to definitive that I've seen.
When they announced, in December, that this was the last bracketbusters they still had the January date.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8736253/bracketbusters-event-discontinued-2012-13-season (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8736253/bracketbusters-event-discontinued-2012-13-season)
I do hope we don't wind up on ESPNU - their blackout was rough .
Quote from: historyman on January 25, 2013, 02:12:56 PM
If that is the case there are more games that Akron, Belmont and St. Mary's could lose and 2 more games for Valpo against YSU at Youngstown and Milwaukee at the ARC to sway the ESPN decision makers.
Hmm... Our RPI might drop even on two wins.
Indiana St just squeezes by Northern Iowa at home. Was hoping for NI to pull the upset as a 16-5 Valpo is more attractive than a 12-8 ISU in my opinion. Oh well... at least it ends the discussion of NI jumping us a spot for a better TV spot.
3 of top 5 Away BB teams lost yesterday: ND State, SF Austin, and Eastern Kentucky.
I watched the end of the Ohio game yesterday and I think it would be good to go against a guard like DJ Cooper to prepare us for better guard play in March. Both teams are 15-5 (RPI records) as of today, Ohio's RPI is 96.
Akron, Belmont, Indiana St, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's and Wichita St
Sat.-
Belmont 85, E Kentucky 74
Buffalo 64, Akron 68
Pepperdine 72, St. Mary's 84
Northern Iowa 58, Indiana St 59
Bradley 39, Wichita St 73
NEW FACEBOOK PAGE: ramadaBracketbuster2013
posted this under "description of page":
The matches will take place on February 22nd and 23rd with 9 nationally televised games on ESPN2 and ESPNU. The NCAA hopefuls will be selected from a pool of 122 teams from 15 conferences, including Ohio University, which made a run into the Sweet Sixteen.
ESPN2 will feature five BracketBusters games, while ESPNU will house four games. The 9 televised matchups will be announced Monday, Feb. 4th with dates, times and networks. The televised matchups are selected by ESPN, while a Committee of Conference Commissioners determines the additional non-televised games.
(it does not mention 4 games on ESPN3)
I just updated the rankings for Sagarin and Nolan...through games 1/26
Nolan Rippy:
1. Belmont 15-4 (40) Creighton 17-3 (28)
2. Wichita State 19-2 (29) SD State 13-6 (30)
3, Indiana State 12-7 (51) ND State 14-5 (58)
4. St. Marys 16-4 (59) Eastern Kentucky 15-5 (75)
5. Akron 14-4 (68) Stephen F Austin 12-2 (77)
6. VALPO 15-5 (83) McCallum & Son 11-8 (86)
7. Western Michigan 11-7 (92) Ohio 15-5 (96)
8. Murray State 13-5 (95) Northwestern State 8-6 (101)
9. Northern Iowa 10-10 (97) Loyola MD 15-6 (102)
10. Tennessee State 10-10 (98) Evansville 11-9 (107)
11: Oral Roberts 11-8 (99) Iona 13-7 (108)
12: UIC 12-8 (100) Pacific 10-8 (109)
13: Long Beach State 9-8 (103) Denver 11-8 (120)
14: Davidson 12-7 (112) Canisius 13-7 (123)
15: Vermont 13-7 (132) Montana 12-4 (124)
Now the Sagarin:
1. Wichita State (29) Creighton (15)
2. Belmont (40) Ohio (75)
3. St Marys (45) McCallum & Dad (77)
4. Akron (64) ND State (80)
5. Northern Iowa (71) Illinois State 12-9 (82) <<ISU's Nolan is a 131>>
6. VALPO (79) Stephen F Austin (88)
7. Indiana State (101) Denver (89)
8. Davidson (103) SD State 98
9. Murray State (110) Iona (108)
10. Long Beach State (117) Loyola MD (118)
11. Oral Roberts (121) Evansville (120)
12. Western Michigan (123) Green Bay 10-10 (122) <<Nolan rating 166>>
13. Fairfield 11-10 (127) Weber State 11-5 (126)
14. Utah State (135) Pacific 10-8 (138)
15. College of Charleston (137) Canisius (140)
Would it not be cool to have UDM have to travel to St.Marys?
One more Comparison, but it's using last weeks data, the MidMajor Top 25...
15 teams are "home" only 10 are "Visiting" (ranking every team with votes)
Valpo lands in 7th for the home teams...Montana is the 7th rated visiting team at #23
Detroit is the 8th rated visiting team at #33, Davidson is #8 home at #24.
I'm still noticing a wide disparity between Sagarin and Nolan...
Cases in point for the "Home" Bbuster teams:
Tennessee State: Sag 179 Nolan 98 Diff 81
UIC Sag 174 Nolan 100, Diff 74
High Point: Sag 226, Nolan 278, Diff 52
Indiana State: Sag 101, Nolan 51, Diff 50
Western Carolina: Sag 241 Nolan 291, Diff 50
For the Visiting Teams:
Bowling Green Sag 212, Nolan 299, Diff 87
Jacksonville State Sag 224, Nolan 146, Diff 78
Savannah State Sag 203 Nolan 125, Diff 78
Northern Arizona Sag 312, Nolan 235, Diff 77
Eastern KY Sag 48, Nolan 75, Diff 73
SD State, Sag 98, Nolan 30, Diff 68
Northwestern State Sag 162, Nolan 244, Diff 56
CSU-Fullerton Sag 166, Nolan 243, Diff 77
Coastal Carolina Sag 197, Nolan 271, Diff 74
Manhattan Sag 213, Nolan 266, Diff 53
There are only 4 schools where they are in exact agreement:
Iona 108
Texas-Arlington 163
Cal State Northridge 218
Texas A&M Corpus Christi 328
When are they announcing the opponenet
Quote from: historyman on January 25, 2013, 02:12:56 PM
Quote from: vusupporter on January 25, 2013, 01:49:39 PMESPNU, 6:30 p.m. ET. This is consistent with when the Bracketbuster selection show has been in the past.
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Yes, I see it now on Feb. 4, 2013 at 6:30 p.m. "Ramada Worldwide Bracketbusters Se..." (I assume it says "Selection Show.")
If that is the case there are more games that Akron, Belmont and St. Mary's could lose and 2 more games for Valpo against YSU at Youngstown and Milwaukee at the ARC to sway the ESPN decision makers.
EDIT: the times for those ESPN listings are Eastern Standard so the Bracketbusters Selection Show is 5:30 pm Valpo time.
And they've updated their website now to reflect this. They've even retroactively changed their press release...
Not sure I give a fig about the buster this year. Since it's a home game, we can just take it in stride and get back to the business at hand. Will take any seed this year. Just get me back to the dance.
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 28, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Not sure I give a fig about the buster this year. Since it's a home game, we can just take it in stride and get back to the business at hand. Will take any seed this year. Just get me back to the dance.
Disagree. We MUST be a 13 seed or better on the years we do make the tournament! We moved to a better league knowing we would make the tournament less, but when we did make it we would get a better seed, and with better recruits, have a better chance to win. So here we are with 7 seniors and we are projected to get a 14 seed despite being 6-1 in the 12th ranked conference in the country. NOT ACCEPTABLE! Our SOS is absolutely terrible this year and we are in dire need of a win over a potential top 100 RPI team to help ease the pain of such a poor schedule.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 28, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 28, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Not sure I give a fig about the buster this year. Since it's a home game, we can just take it in stride and get back to the business at hand. Will take any seed this year. Just get me back to the dance.
Disagree. We MUST be a 13 seed or better on the years we do make the tournament! We moved to a better league knowing we would make the tournament less, but when we did make it we would get a better seed, and with better recruits, have a better chance to win. So here we are with 7 seniors and we are projected to get a 14 seed despite being 6-1 in the 12th ranked conference in the country. NOT ACCEPTABLE! Our SOS is absolutely terrible this year and we are in dire need of a win over a potential top 100 RPI team to help ease the pain of such a poor schedule.
Agree with your disagree. This bracketbuster, though ending, could mean the difference between a first round win and a first round loss in the NCAA tournament. That's pretty straight forward.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 28, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 28, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Not sure I give a fig about the buster this year. Since it's a home game, we can just take it in stride and get back to the business at hand. Will take any seed this year. Just get me back to the dance.
Disagree. We MUST be a 13 seed or better on the years we do make the tournament! We moved to a better league knowing we would make the tournament less, but when we did make it we would get a better seed, and with better recruits, have a better chance to win. So here we are with 7 seniors and we are projected to get a 14 seed despite being 6-1 in the 12th ranked conference in the country. NOT ACCEPTABLE! Our SOS is absolutely terrible this year and we are in dire need of a win over a potential top 100 RPI team to help ease the pain of such a poor schedule.
Your point is well made. You are absolutely right that getting the same pathetic seed less often than we used to get is not a good trade off for our move to the HL. I see 3 reasons for the dilemma we find ourselves in: (1) our SOS as you point out, (2) inexcusable losses to Oakland and Loyola (you HAVE to beat the teams you're supposed to beat), and (3) pathetic OOC W/L records by Milwaukee and Green Bay. The GB thing is especially irksome because they dramatically underachieved at a time when it could have helped the conference, then miraculously get it together when it's of no help to anyone but themselves. Very similar to what Detroit did last year. Because of their piss poor OOC record, they earned a 15 seed. Had they not won it, their piss poor OOC record would have negatively impacted the seed of whichever team did win it. That's the biggest difference between us and the MVC, for example. We typically have more teams at the far extreme of bad than they do.
I think WH is correct. However, I would add poor scheduling on our part to the list. Too many teams on the schedule with really low RPI's. Playing Chicago St., IUPUI, IPFW, Bethune Cookman, and NIU every year is not helpful. Winning all 5 of those games is probably worse than going 3-2 agianst teams with RPI's in the upper in the 170-190 range, or 2-3 against teams with RPI's around the 70-90 range.
I hope the HL can find a way to go 10-0, 9-1, or 8-2 in the bracketbuster. I wonder how much a 10-0 showing by the HL in the bracketbuster would improve everyone's RPI?
Did the Horizon add the 10th team? 10-0 in the bracketbuster would be pretty impressive.
Brain lapsed back to last year. I meant 9-0, 8-1, or 7-2.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 28, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
I think WH is correct. However, I would add poor scheduling on our part to the list. Too many teams on the schedule with really low RPI's. Playing Chicago St., IUPUI, IPFW, Bethune Cookman, and NIU every year is not helpful. Winning all 5 of those games is probably worse than going 3-2 agianst teams with RPI's in the upper in the 170-190 range, or 2-3 against teams with RPI's around the 70-90 range.
So lets look at our OOC schedule (sorry about the formatting)...
Team Result 2012-13 RPI 2011-12 RPI 2010-11 RPI
Georgia Southern W 263 203 341
Northern Illinois W 281 334 317
Nebraska L 73 154 89
Kent St. W 184 106 78
Chicago St. W 297 336 339
Bethune-Cookman W 288 239 198
Saint Louis L 68 31 175
IPFW W 302 279 180
New Mexico L 7 26 66
Missouri State W 225 112 43
Oakland L 157 141 53
IUPUI W 304 210 115
Murray St. W 96 22 117
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Mean 196 169 162
Median 225 166 149
So before this season, the combined average RPI of the OOC teams was 169 and 162 the year before that... this year, the teams ended up being at 196 average RPI. Not good, but hardly Valpo's fault. And scheduling IUPUI and IPFW was done as a deal before last season (Valpo lost both those games last year). I'm assuming Valpo scheduled a couple home games last minute with Butler's departure. It's not like they can phone up Bucknell and get a competative mid-major matchup.
Valpo does have a hard time scheduling decent home games. Last year's OOC home games were Akron, Duquesne, Bowling Green, and Oakland. Nothing too exciting. This year UIPUI, IPFW, Bethune-Cookman, Chicago State, Northern Illinois, and Georgia Southern.
Quote from: a3uge on January 29, 2013, 01:13:19 AMValpo does have a hard time scheduling decent home games. Last year's OOC home games were Akron, Duquesne, Bowling Green, and Oakland. Nothing too exciting. This year UIPUI, IPFW, Bethune-Cookman, Chicago State, Northern Illinois, and Georgia Southern.
We are voting for our student section to be top 8 in the country for student sections and at the same time saying it's tough to schedule good home games. Duh!Don't you think that other schools know this? This is the reason why Bryce had to start with away games at Murray State, Saint Louis, New Mexico, etc. this year so he could improve the home schedule for next year.It can be a catch 22 but Bryce is working the system well.
Quote from: historyman on January 29, 2013, 09:26:20 AM
Quote from: a3uge on January 29, 2013, 01:13:19 AMValpo does have a hard time scheduling decent home games. Last year's OOC home games were Akron, Duquesne, Bowling Green, and Oakland. Nothing too exciting. This year UIPUI, IPFW, Bethune-Cookman, Chicago State, Northern Illinois, and Georgia Southern.
We are voting for our student section to be top 8 in the country for student sections and at the same time saying it's tough to schedule good home games. Duh!
Don't you think that other schools know this? This is the reason why Bryce had to start with away games at Murray State, Saint Louis, New Mexico, etc. this year so he could improve the home schedule for next year.
It can be a catch 22 but Bryce is working the system well.
It has been pointed out here before but it is a good point.
When I posted highlights of our game at home against Wright State on the SLU board they noticed 2 things. The small size of the gym but also the enthusiasm of the fans.
Though next season will be a rebuild/reload season with all the new freshmen coming in, I'd hope that the schedule will be a cut above 2012-13. I say this because:
1) The home return matches against STL, MSU, UNM (already a done deal)
2) Whatever new teams are added to the HL for 2013-14 (the goal is to give the HL a second (at-large) slot in the NCAA so at least one should be a high RPI addition, right?)
3) [Then my hope] Valpo's increased respect quotient based on last year and this season will allow Bryce to replace the low RPI teams with higher RPI teams even if he has to go on the road to do it.
It seems to this [admittedly naive] VUBB fan that the program is now at a point where it should be stepping up the competitive level across the board. Based on 2012-13 that seems to be the trend -- just gotta keep pushing the competitive OOC schedule envelope.
QUESTION: Hypothetically, WHAT IF.... Murray State is one of the additions to the HL? What does that do to the schedule? Do we play them three times? Or will the already scheduled game be incorporated into the HL schedule. Just wondering ???
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 29, 2013, 10:13:36 AMQUESTION: Hypothetically, WHAT IF.... Murray State is one of the additions to the HL? What does that do to the schedule? Do we play them three times? Or will the already scheduled game be incorporated into the HL schedule. Just wondering
It would be negotiated. Most likely Valpo would play Murray State three times. As did Butler against Xavier. Their first game was not counted as a conference game.
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 11:01:31 AMIt would be negotiated. Most likely Valpo would play Murray State three times. As did Butler against Xavier. Their first game was not counted as a conference game.
I think Butler only plays X twice this year, the first game not counting against the conference. No one ever schedules 3 games in a season so I do not think this will happen.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 29, 2013, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 11:01:31 AMIt would be negotiated. Most likely Valpo would play Murray State three times. As did Butler against Xavier. Their first game was not counted as a conference game.
I think Butler only plays X twice this year, the first game not counting against the conference. No one ever schedules 3 games in a season so I do not think this will happen.
Butler-X was going to be on ESPN, so neither team really wanted to give that up. I also agree it might have been handled differently if Butler and X were playing twice as part of the A-10 schedule.
Quote from: wh on January 28, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 28, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 28, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Not sure I give a fig about the buster this year. Since it's a home game, we can just take it in stride and get back to the business at hand. Will take any seed this year. Just get me back to the dance.
Disagree. We MUST be a 13 seed or better on the years we do make the tournament! We moved to a better league knowing we would make the tournament less, but when we did make it we would get a better seed, and with better recruits, have a better chance to win. So here we are with 7 seniors and we are projected to get a 14 seed despite being 6-1 in the 12th ranked conference in the country. NOT ACCEPTABLE! Our SOS is absolutely terrible this year and we are in dire need of a win over a potential top 100 RPI team to help ease the pain of such a poor schedule.
Your point is well made. You are absolutely right that getting the same pathetic seed less often than we used to get is not a good trade off for our move to the HL. I see 3 reasons for the dilemma we find ourselves in: (1) our SOS as you point out, (2) inexcusable losses to Oakland and Loyola (you HAVE to beat the teams you're supposed to beat), and (3) pathetic OOC W/L records by Milwaukee and Green Bay. The GB thing is especially irksome because they dramatically underachieved at a time when it could have helped the conference, then miraculously get it together when it's of no help to anyone but themselves. Very similar to what Detroit did last year. Because of their piss poor OOC record, they earned a 15 seed. Had they not won it, their piss poor OOC record would have negatively impacted the seed of whichever team did win it. That's the biggest difference between us and the MVC, for example. We typically have more teams at the far extreme of bad than they do.
I totally agree with wh. I've been harping on this for years when Valpo fans/beat writers/coaches would comment that losing non-conference games to the likes of IPFW or IUPUI didn't matter because Valpo wasn't getting an at-large bid anyway. Now that Valpo is the team worrying about their potential NCAA seed, it's much easier to appreciate the impact of league teams taking bad losses in the non-conference. As wh points out, it's even more frustrating when teams put in a mediocre performance in the non-con and then suddenly turn it on during league play.
Sadly, Valpo can do little to control how the rest of the league schedules and/or performs in the non-conference. As wh points out, they can control how they schedule (and yes, I understand the challenges) and most importantly, how they play, during non-conference games. It can be done ... despite the Horizon's overall RPI ranking being similar to this season's, Butler received some decent seeds over the last 6 years.
I know that it's overly-simplistic to just say "improve the non-con schedule" and "win more games", but that's really the formula for success for teams from "mid-major" conferences to become perennial at-large candidates. Valpo seems to be heading in the right direction on these fronts, but it takes some time. Getting UNM, SLU and Murray to the ARC next year is clearly a big step. Winning those games would be even bigger. I realize I'm not telling you guys anything you don't already know, but just my :twocents: .
Quote from: zvillehaze on January 29, 2013, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: wh on January 28, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 28, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on January 28, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Not sure I give a fig about the buster this year. Since it's a home game, we can just take it in stride and get back to the business at hand. Will take any seed this year. Just get me back to the dance.
Disagree. We MUST be a 13 seed or better on the years we do make the tournament! We moved to a better league knowing we would make the tournament less, but when we did make it we would get a better seed, and with better recruits, have a better chance to win. So here we are with 7 seniors and we are projected to get a 14 seed despite being 6-1 in the 12th ranked conference in the country. NOT ACCEPTABLE! Our SOS is absolutely terrible this year and we are in dire need of a win over a potential top 100 RPI team to help ease the pain of such a poor schedule.
Your point is well made. You are absolutely right that getting the same pathetic seed less often than we used to get is not a good trade off for our move to the HL. I see 3 reasons for the dilemma we find ourselves in: (1) our SOS as you point out, (2) inexcusable losses to Oakland and Loyola (you HAVE to beat the teams you're supposed to beat), and (3) pathetic OOC W/L records by Milwaukee and Green Bay. The GB thing is especially irksome because they dramatically underachieved at a time when it could have helped the conference, then miraculously get it together when it's of no help to anyone but themselves. Very similar to what Detroit did last year. Because of their piss poor OOC record, they earned a 15 seed. Had they not won it, their piss poor OOC record would have negatively impacted the seed of whichever team did win it. That's the biggest difference between us and the MVC, for example. We typically have more teams at the far extreme of bad than they do.
I totally agree with wh. I've been harping on this for years when Valpo fans/beat writers/coaches would comment that losing non-conference games to the likes of IPFW or IUPUI didn't matter because Valpo wasn't getting an at-large bid anyway. Now that Valpo is the team worrying about their potential NCAA seed, it's much easier to appreciate the impact of league teams taking bad losses in the non-conference. As wh points out, it's even more frustrating when teams put in a mediocre performance in the non-con and then suddenly turn it on during league play.
Sadly, Valpo can do little to control how the rest of the league schedules and/or performs in the non-conference. As wh points out, they can control how they schedule (and yes, I understand the challenges) and most importantly, how they play, during non-conference games. It can be done ... despite the Horizon's overall RPI ranking being similar to this season's, Butler received some decent seeds over the last 6 years.
I know that it's overly-simplistic to just say "improve the non-con schedule" and "win more games", but that's really the formula for success for teams from "mid-major" conferences to become perennial at-large candidates. Valpo seems to be heading in the right direction on these fronts, but it takes some time. Getting UNM, SLU and Murray to the ARC next year is clearly a big step. Winning those games would be even bigger. I realize I'm not telling you guys anything you don't already know, but just my :twocents: .
Very well put, and just for the record, I think I always pointed out what you did about the bad losses to IPFW, etc. -- we knew then that at-large was a pipe dream, but seeding could still be impacted by such a loss.
To be fair, the team can't afford to beat itself up over such losses because the auto-bid is the iron-clad goal. However, you win those games and then win the auto-bid, and you might see a slightly better seed. The only thing I can see is that perhaps statistically the difference between a 13-seed and a 15 seed is not nearly as big as we might think it is. We remember that our one magical run came as a 13 seed, but we were also a 13 seed in 2002 and that went nowhere.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 29, 2013, 10:13:36 AM2) Whatever new teams are added to the HL for 2013-14 (the goal is to give the HL a second (at-large) slot in the NCAA so at least one should be a high RPI addition, right?)
I wouldn't think these teams would be added in time for the 2013-14 season. Normally there would be a "lame duck" year before they're added. Though I suppose with the ever changing landscape of collegiate athletics, many schools are making their moves rather quickly (ala Butler).
I believe we would have to add new teams within the next 2 school years, as we will lose the baseball auto-bid if we have 5 teams for 3 years? I imagine that the Summit and MVC have very low penalties for leaving the conference early...
Quote from: valpotx on January 29, 2013, 02:24:26 PM
I believe we would have to add new teams within the next 2 school years, as we will lose the baseball auto-bid if we have 5 teams for 3 years? I imagine that the Summit and MVC have very low penalties for leaving the conference early...
Do you mean OVC? MVC might have stiffer penalties.
Quote from: Valpo2010 on January 29, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 29, 2013, 10:13:36 AM2) Whatever new teams are added to the HL for 2013-14 (the goal is to give the HL a second (at-large) slot in the NCAA so at least one should be a high RPI addition, right?)
I wouldn't think these teams would be added in time for the 2013-14 season. Normally there would be a "lame duck" year before they're added. Though I suppose with the ever changing landscape of collegiate athletics, many schools are making their moves rather quickly (ala Butler).
i believe the rumors floating were that the announcement would be made in march and take effect that july, in an effort to avoid that year.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 29, 2013, 01:38:53 PMThe only thing I can see is that perhaps statistically the difference between a 13-seed and a 15 seed is not nearly as big as we might think it is. We remember that our one magical run came as a 13 seed, but we were also a 13 seed in 2002 and that went nowhere.
Hm? From a simple statistical perspective the numbers are very clear. Several of us posted them recently. 13 seeds are something like four times as successful as 15 seeds.
Now, maybe you can make some sort of argument about how the statistics don't really affect our particular case very much. That if we happened to hit another three against Nebraska, and that happened to bump our seed up, how much better of a chance does that hypothetical VU doppleganger team have in the Big Dance than the familiar version?
But, the simple statistics of it seem pretty clear.
No, I meant the MVC. They won't have a huge buyout in place for teams either. The Atlantic-10 even has a fairly small buyout I believe
Quote from: agibson on January 29, 2013, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 29, 2013, 01:38:53 PMThe only thing I can see is that perhaps statistically the difference between a 13-seed and a 15 seed is not nearly as big as we might think it is. We remember that our one magical run came as a 13 seed, but we were also a 13 seed in 2002 and that went nowhere.
Hm? From a simple statistical perspective the numbers are very clear. Several of us posted them recently. 13 seeds are something like four times as successful as 15 seeds.
Now, maybe you can make some sort of argument about how the statistics don't really affect our particular case very much. That if we happened to hit another three against Nebraska, and that happened to bump our seed up, how much better of a chance does that hypothetical VU doppleganger team have in the Big Dance than the familiar version?
But, the simple statistics of it seem pretty clear.
Well, I did say, "perhaps" ;) Sorry, I'm Mr. Short Attention Span sometimes.
What was the statistical difference between 13 and 14 seeds?
Quote from: valpotx on January 29, 2013, 03:43:01 PMWell, I did say, "perhaps" Sorry, I'm Mr. Short Attention Span sometimes.
What was the statistical difference between 13 and 14 seeds?
You should refer back to the Now what? How does this team continue to improve? thread where this issue was recently addressed. Take note that I pretty much took your position and got carved up like a watermelon. Even my son called me a fool.
Quote from: justducky on January 29, 2013, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 29, 2013, 03:43:01 PMWell, I did say, "perhaps" Sorry, I'm Mr. Short Attention Span sometimes.
What was the statistical difference between 13 and 14 seeds?
You should refer back to the Now what? How does this team continue to improve? thread where this issue was recently addressed. Take note that I pretty much took your position and got carved up like a watermelon. Even my son called me a fool.
It's not my position. As I stated, I was one of those who did grouse about bad losses to IPFW precisely because of that. I was just trying to see the other side, that's all.
The 14 seed is closer to the 13 than it is to the 15.
The 15 seed's won in 5% of tournament games, the 14 in 15% (round numbers), the 13 in 20% . The 12 in 33% of games overall (and 31% of 12-5 games).
I'm using
http://www.bbstate.com/wiz/ (http://www.bbstate.com/wiz/)
for this.
Sorry to assume you're slavishly reading all these threads ;) Lots of activity lately, which is great, but surely even "old hands" don't keep up with all of it.
BTW, just to add another Home game for us next year... Loyola Marymount owes us (and we do OWE THEM!) a return from last years BracketBuster... they are down this year, like 220-ish... but it is still another name-opponent in the ARC... so we will have teams from all 4 timezones coming in! UNM will be the interesting one... looking at their ytd-stat sheet... They have only played three games (outside the paradise jam) in front of less than 10,000 fans, with the smallest 6,080 at Indiana State, 6782 at Saint Louis and 8177 at New Mexico State.... we don't have a shoe-horn big enough to get there typical crowd. Their smallest crowd coming up with the at Air Force... the falcons only average about 1800 per home game.
I really can't see scenario where we don't get a good TV game. The problem is that the better teams are all home teams and so getting a good matchup which could help our ranking will be tough. To me, assuming we win the next two, it looks like either Ohio, ND State, SF Austin or Illinois State. Some of those may go up against higher rated home teams. I think it gets down to Ohio or Illinois State, and getting a Missouri Valley team would be preferable in my mind.
Illinois State is 12-10, but 3-7 in the MVC. They will NOT be placed against the HL leader, regardless of RPI
Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
Illinois State is 12-10, but 3-7 in the MVC. They will NOT be placed against the HL leader, regardless of RPI
Logically I agree, but from a TV matchup it probably will draw better, particularly in the midwest with their large alumni and fan base, as well as travel accomodations. If they want to match us up against another conference leader, then it could be ND State, Ohio or SF Austin, all of which are tied for the lead in their respective conferences. The best of these from a travel and rematch standpoint would of course be Ohio.
I am guessing that we will get Ohio, and I would like that matchup as well. It would give us another NBA prospect to beat :-) (GA Southern's Ferguson, Murray State's Canaan, and Ohio's Cooper)
Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
Illinois State is 12-10, but 3-7 in the MVC. They will NOT be placed against the HL leader, regardless of RPI
I keep hearing these statements about how ESPN would never do this or that with certain teams in the bracketbuster. The truth is that ESPN is dropping the bracketbuster because they can no longer get the match-ups that they truly want. So many good teams are dropping out of the bracketbuster that it has become particularly hard to match teams that are equivalent in rank. This is the last year of the bracketbuster and Valpo may not get the opponent they want so we'll have to make the best of it and win the added game to our schedule.
Ohio presents a terrific match up. Storylines-- #maction v Horizon leaders. NBA prospects and conference POY candidates Broekhoff and DJ Cooper, FAMILY (Drews, Steinbrechers).
Also under family, Nick Kellogg, son of Clark. And both teams with a bunch of transfers, including from SLU.
ESPN reports that tonight's Ohio-EMU game has been postponed because a gunman on campus has not yet been apprehended.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8898057/ohio-bobcats-vs-emu-eagles-game-postponed-due-armed-individual-campus (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8898057/ohio-bobcats-vs-emu-eagles-game-postponed-due-armed-individual-campus)
Akron, Belmont, Indiana St, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's and Wichita St
Tue-
Indiana St 68, Wichita State 55
N.Iowa 51, Evansville 54
Two of the teams lost. Of course Wichita St & Indiana St are two of the teams Valpo is chasing.
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2013, 04:18:46 PM
Akron, Belmont, Indiana St, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's and Wichita St
Tue-
Indiana St 68, Wichita State 55
N.Iowa 51, Evansville 54
Two of the teams lost. Of course Wichita St & Indiana St are two of the teams Valpo is chasing.
certainly isn't helped by the fact that we lost tonight
On a positive we will probably now play a team with a higher RPI (isn't that what we wanted...). Might have even been the same team if selected this past Monday but now our RPI is lower because of the loss :/
We're not doing as badly in the Bracketbuster as I'd feared... yet. At RPI 92 we seem to currently be #7 on the home side. Ahead of where we were two weeks ago. But, there's a fair chance UIC will pass us on the home side. And, Detroit will almost certainly go ahead of us on the away side (RPI 71 currently!).
If we somehow lose to Milwaukee, we could be in jeopardy - the 13th slot will likely be somewhere in the 105-115 range.
I'm just hoping we stay away from ESPNU and their blackouts.
Andy Katz with his proposed schedule. Folks, rpis are only one factor. Intriguing TV matchups are also important. He has Valpo hosting Pacific. Not sure why they would give us another west coast team, but makes for a nice road trip next season and can maybe pair with a bigger program for a longer trip.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/8903127/indiana-state-sycamores-hope-bracketbrusters-help-march-goals-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/8903127/indiana-state-sycamores-hope-bracketbrusters-help-march-goals-college-basketball)
I have said all along that it is not just RPI as well. If we are leading the HL, we will receive a better opponent than Detroit IMO
If we get Pacific I'll be disappointed. First, they are well behind us in the Sagarin's (we are at 94 and they are at 138) plus the trip distance is silly. There has to be a better regional team for us. No doubt the loss at YSU may have knocked us out of a tv game.
Agree that Pacific is not ideal. If I could flip a few, I'd have Detroit at Indiana State, Ohio at Wichita St, and ND State or SD State v us. The problem is I don't like that return game because you can't pair it with much (Minnesota maybe). The problem this year are the away teams. We will have a TV game basesd on Katz' rankings, which network and what time depend on us defeating UWM tonight convincingly and another good crowd showing off the atmosphere (so we need all the students out and to be "rowdy.") (With LMU last year and Pacific proposed this year, does ESPN want us to start playing out west or think we are out west since we are west of the Appalachia. (SI))
On Valpo's win over Milwaukee Valpo's RPI falls to... 98 (from 91). Milwaukee's RPI... held steady at 311 on the loss.
UIC at 94 and will sit ahead of us on the home team roster, unless they fail to hold court against Cleveland State tomorrow.
I just updated the rankings based on the Nolan RPI, with all Friday night games final
Home Teams
1 Belmont #15 (Home to Tennessee Tech #270)
2 Wichita State #24 (@ Northern Iowa #109)
3 Indiana State #38 (@ Drake #147
4 St Mary's #57 (Home to Portland #228)
5 Akron #67 (Home to Ohio #97) Could Flip/Flop with St. Marys
6 Western Michigan #85 (Home to Buffalo #292) Could Drop below Valpo with loss
7 UIC #95 (Home to Cleveland State #211) Could Drop below Valpo with loss, UIC Already Played Iona this year (and beat them)
8 Valpo #98 Done Until Pairings
9 Murray State #99 (Home to Austin Peay #341) Will drop regardless
10 Tennessee State #100 Done until Pairings
11 Niagara #101 (Home to Loyola-MD #122) May pass Valpo with win
12 Oral Roberts #102 (Home to Southeastern Louisiana #216)
Now, the Away Teams
1 Creighton #30 (Home to Bradley #161) Tied with Wichita State 8-2, first in the Valley
2 North Dakota State #65 (Home to South Dakota #237) 8-2 Tied with SD State and WIU,
3 South Dakota State #66 (Home to UMKC #273) 8-2 Tied with ND State and WIU
4 Detroit #70 Done until Pairings
5 Stephen F Austin #72 (@ Lamar #322) 8-1, Tied with Oral Roberts for lead in Southland
6 Eastern Kentucky #91 (@ Southeast Missouri State #241) 6-3 in OVC-East, 3rd place
7 Iona #96 (@ Canisius #115) Gaels are 8-3 in conference 2nd place to Niagara
8 Ohio #97 (@ Akron @67) 6-0 in MidAmEast; Akron is 7-0 in MidAmEast
9 Northwestern State #106 (Sunday @ McNeese State #242)
10 Evansville #107 (@ Missouri State #213) 6-4, 4th place in Missouri Valley
11 Denver #111 (@ Texas State #268) 8-2, T-2 in Western Athletic Conf
12 Pacific #114 (Home to UC Davis #248) 6-2, 2nd place in Big West behing LBState
So, Now you have a reason to watch the scroll-bar on ESPN tomorrow all day !!! To be Honest, I really never thought the Northwest State game at McNeese State would really ever matter to me.
I imagine that we will get a better opponent than UIC regardless of RPI. I don't want to play Iona again, so I am hoping for beating another MAC team in Ohio!
I added overall records against Div 1 opponents to your list. I think the Horizon will get 2 TV games (us and Detroit). Ohio might be paired with a higher RPI team especially if they beat Akron today. Eastern Kentucky is a possible opponent that people have not been talking about.
Home Teams
1 Belmont #15 16-4 (Home to Tennessee Tech #270)
2 Wichita State #24 19-3 (@ Northern Iowa #109)
3 Indiana State #38 13-7 (@ Drake #147
4 St Mary's #57 17-4 (Home to Portland #228)
5 Akron #67 15-4 (Home to Ohio #97) Could Flip/Flop with St. Marys
6 Western Michigan #85 12-7 (Home to Buffalo #292) Could Drop below Valpo with loss
7 UIC #95 13-8 (Home to Cleveland State #211) Could Drop below Valpo with loss, UIC Already Played Iona this year (and beat them)
8 Valpo #98 16-6 Done Until Pairings
9 Murray State #99 13-5 (Home to Austin Peay #341) Will drop regardless
10 Tennessee State #100 11-10 Done until Pairings
11 Niagara #101 14-8 (Home to Loyola-MD #122) May pass Valpo with win
12 Oral Roberts #102 12-8 (Home to Southeastern Louisiana #216)
Now, the Away Teams
1 Creighton #30 19-3 (Home to Bradley #161) Tied with Wichita State 8-2, first in the Valley
2 North Dakota State #65 15-5 (Home to South Dakota #237) 8-2 Tied with SD State and WIU,
3 South Dakota State #66 14-6 (Home to UMKC #273) 8-2 Tied with ND State and WIU
4 Detroit #70 13-8 Done until Pairings
5 Stephen F Austin #72 13-2 (@ Lamar #322) 8-1, Tied with Oral Roberts for lead in Southland
6 Eastern Kentucky #91 15-6 (@ Southeast Missouri State #241) 6-3 in OVC-East, 3rd place
7 Iona #96 14-8 (@ Canisius #115) Gaels are 8-3 in conference 2nd place to Niagara
8 Ohio #97 15-5 (@ Akron @67) 6-0 in MidAmEast; Akron is 7-0 in MidAmEast
9 Northwestern State #106 9-6 (Sunday @ McNeese State #242)
10 Evansville #107 12-9 (@ Missouri State #213) 6-4, 4th place in Missouri Valley
11 Denver #111 12-8 (@ Texas State #268) 8-2, T-2 in Western Athletic Conf
12 Pacific #114 10-8 (Home to UC Davis #248) 6-2, 2nd place in Big West behing LBState
LIke I said, Murray State, winners in OT vs. Austin Peay... RPI drops from 99 to 107... to about 15th place in home games...
Adam Amin had that game on the U, a few toooo many mentions of the 117th meeting between the two schools, but a nice comeback for the racers. Now, if only the ramblers could come back against the phoenix...GB up 8 with 14 to play...
oh, and that win, moved Valpo from 98 up to 97. Might be fun to watch the Nolan today with virtually every team in playing...
I'm still thinking Valpo get's Iona and UIC gets Ohio, Detroit already Played Akron (and beat them)...
I'm hoping for Northwestern State, just so I have a reason to wear my favorite shirt. Vic the Demon is my favorite mascot in college! ;D
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/Vicsmall.jpg)
A few games final. Others in progress. RPI's and records updated, below. I didn't check to see if any #13's etc. may have moved up. (I suppose we'll want at _least_ 13 teams home and away? Maybe more like 18? If we want to cover the TV matchups).
Home Teams
1 Belmont #15 16-4 (Home to Tennessee Tech #270)
2 Wichita State #25 19-3 (@ Northern Iowa #109)
3 Indiana State #46 13-7 (@ Drake #147)
4 St Mary's #58 17-4 (Home to Portland #228)
5 Akron #66 15-4 (Home to Ohio #97) Could Flip/Flop with St. Marys
6 Western Michigan #86 12-7 (Home to Buffalo #292) Could Drop below Valpo with loss
7 UIC #91 13-8 (Home to Cleveland State #211) Could Drop below Valpo with loss, UIC Already Played Iona this year (and beat them)
8 Valpo #96 16-6 Done Until Pairings
9 Tennessee State #98 11-10 Done until Pairings
10 Oral Roberts #100 12-8 (Home to Southeastern Louisiana #216)
11? Murray State #111 14-5 (beat Austin Peay #341)
12? Niagara #113 14-9 (lost to Loyola-MD #122)
Now, the Away Teams
1 Creighton #28 20-3 (Beat Bradley #161) Tied with Wichita State 8-2, first in the Valley
2 North Dakota State #62 15-5 (Home to South Dakota #237) 8-2 Tied with SD State and WIU,
3 South Dakota State #64 14-6 (Home to UMKC #273) 8-2 Tied with ND State and WIU
4 Detroit #71 13-8 Done until Pairings
5 Stephen F Austin #74 13-2 (@ Lamar #322) 8-1, Tied with Oral Roberts for lead in Southland
6 Eastern Kentucky #88 15-6 (@ Southeast Missouri State #241) 6-3 in OVC-East, 3rd place
7 Ohio #92 15-5 (@ Akron #67) 6-0 in MidAmEast; Akron is 7-0 in MidAmEast
8 Iona #94 14-8 (@ Canisius #115) Gaels are 8-3 in conference 2nd place to Niagara
9 Northwestern State #106 9-6 (Sunday @ McNeese State #242)
10 Denver #107 13-8 (beat Texas State #268) 9-2, 2nd place in Western Athletic Conf
11 Pacific #113 10-8 (Home to UC Davis #248) 6-2, 2nd place in Big West behing LBState
12? Evansville #129 12-10 (lost to Missouri State #213) 6-5, 4th place in Missouri Valley
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 02, 2013, 11:15:58 AMI think the Horizon will get 2 TV games (us and Detroit).
We might get a better game than UIC, maybe. But, I don't think they'll get left out. Certainly not if they beat Cleveland State. Three TV games for us.
A couple more final. Northern Iowa's win over Wichita State pushes them... past Valpo.
Loyola (MD)'s win over Niagara brought them onto the list too. And I added a few more teams on each side (maybe still not list of everybody who's going to get a TV game, depending on wins and losses...).
Home Teams
1 Belmont #16 16-4 (Home to Tennessee Tech #270)
2 Wichita State #27 19-4 (lost to Northern Iowa #109), 8-3, second in the valley
3 Indiana State #41 13-7 (@ Drake #147)
4 Akron #56 16-4 (beat Ohio #97), 8-0 in MidAmEast
5 St Mary's #60 17-4 (Home to Portland #228)
6 Western Michigan #85 12-7 (Home to Buffalo #292) Could Drop below Valpo with loss
7 Northern Iowa #91 11-11 (beat Wichita State) 5-6, tied for 5th in Valley
8 UIC #93 13-8 (Home to Cleveland State #211) Could Drop below Valpo with loss, UIC Already Played Iona this year (and beat them)
9 Valpo #96 16-6 Done Until Pairings
10 Tennessee State #101 11-10 Done until Pairings
11 Oral Roberts #102 12-8 (Home to Southeastern Louisiana #216)
12 Long Beach State #110 10-8 (Home to Cal Poly #200, in progress)
13 Niagara #111 14-9 (lost to Loyola-MD)
14 Vermont #113 14-7 (done until pairings)
15 Murray State #114 14-5 (beat Austin Peay #341)
16 Davidson #117 13-7 (at Wofford #259, in progress)
17 Utah State #125 14-5 (at Seattle University #283)
18 Western Illinois #133 15-5 (done until pairings), 9-2 tied with SD State for Summit 1st
Now, the Away Teams
1 Creighton #28 20-3 (Beat Bradley #161) 9-2, first in the Valley
2 North Dakota State #63 15-5 (Home to South Dakota #237) 8-2 could tie with SD State and WIU,
3 South Dakota State #67 15-6 (beat UMKC #273) 9-2 Tied with WIU for Summit 1st
4 Detroit #72 13-8 Done until Pairings
5 Stephen F Austin #75 13-2 (@ Lamar #322) 8-1, Tied with Oral Roberts for lead in Southland
6 Eastern Kentucky #88 15-6 (@ Southeast Missouri State #241) 6-3 in OVC-East, 3rd place
7 Ohio #92 15-6 (lost at Akron #67) 6-1 in MidAmEast; Akron is 8-0 in MidAmEast
8 Iona #94 14-8 (@ Canisius #115) Gaels are 8-3 in conference 2nd place to Niagara
9 Loyola (MD) #106 16-18 (beat Niagara)
10 Northwestern State #107 9-6 (Sunday @ McNeese State #242)
11 Denver #108 13-8 (beat Texas State #268) 9-2, 2nd place in Western Athletic Conf
12 Pacific #112 10-8 (Home to UC Davis #248) 6-2, 2nd place in Big West behing LBState
13 Canisius #115 14-8 (home to Iona #94, in progess)
14 Montana #118 13-4 (at Eastern Washington #325)
15 Savannah State #122 10-9 (done until pairings)
16 Evansville #128 12-10 (lost to Missouri State #213) 6-5, 4th place in Missouri Valley
17 Weber State #136 12-5 (at Northern Colorado #321)
18 Illinois State #140 13-10 (done until pairings)
Amazing that some teams can have played only 15 D1 games, and other 23.
and the sun rises... and the numbers shifted a little bit... following the late night west coast games... Using Nolan... we did pass Northern Iowa, Valpo #93, UNI #94.
Using the Nolan RPIs... here are the matchups...
1 Belmont Hosting Creighton
2 Wichita State Hosting North Dakota State
3 Indiana State Hosting South Dakota State
4 Akron Hosting Detroit
5 St. Mary's (Calif.) Hosting Stephen F. Austin
6 Western Michigan Hosting Eastern Kentucky
7 Valparaiso Hosting Ohio
8 Northern Iowa Hosting Iona
9 Tennessee State Hosting Loyola (Md.)
10 Oral Roberts Hosting Northwestern State SAME CONFERENCE -
11 Long Beach State Hosting Denver
12 Vermont Hosting Canisius
AND THE OTHER HORIZONE LEAGUE TEAMS
16 UIC Hosting Evansville
20 Fairfield Hosting Green Bay
22 Youngstown State Hosting Bradley
24 Wright State Hosting Idaho
27 Toledo Hosting Cleveland State
29 Loyola (Ill.) Hosting Cal State Northridge
56 Eastern Washington Hosting Milwaukee
AND THE WORST TWO TEAMS ... BOTH FROM THE "Big South" Conference...so they can't matchup...
61 Presbyterian #343 Hosting Longwood #344
Using the Sagarins... Very interesting shifts at the top of the poll!
1 St. Mary's (Calif.) Hosting Creighton (St Marys Sagarin 42, RPI 59)
2 Belmont Hosting Detroit (Belmont's Sagarin is 45, RPI 19)
3 Wichita State Hosting North Dakota State
4 Akron Hosting Ohio SAME CONFERENCE - NEED TO SHIFT
5 Northern Iowa Hosting Denver
6 Valparaiso Hosting Stephen F. Austin
7 Indiana State Hosting Illinois State SAME CONFERENCE - NEED TO SHIFT
8 Davidson Hosting South Dakota State
9 Murray State Hosting Iona
10 Utah State Hosting Weber State
11 Western Michigan Hosting Green Bay
12 Long Beach State Hosting Evansville
19 Youngstown State Hosting UC Irvine
21 Wright State Hosting Charleston Southern
24 Loyola (Ill.) Hosting Idaho
29 UIC Hosting Cal State Northridge
30 Buffalo Hosting Cleveland State
48 Northern Illinois Hosting Milwaukee
61 Lamar Hosting Longwood
Interesting to see the Sagarins, for sure.
With the UIC loss the Horizon League sorting seems more sensible.
Just three games involving Bracketbuster games left, only one (Northwestern State) with a team in the top-18, and even that's not likely to shake things up too much.
Ohio seems like as good a guess as any for a VU opponent.
And, here's the table in the format that was kicking around in the last days.
Home Teams
1 Belmont #19 17-4 (beat Tennessee Tech #270), 9-0 1st in the #16 Ohio Valley
2 Wichita State #26 19-4 (lost to Northern Iowa #109), 8-3, second in the #9 other valley, #15/#14 nationally
3 Indiana State #52 13-8 (lost at Drake #147), 7-4, third in the MVC
4 Akron #53 16-4 (beat Ohio #97), 8-0 in MidAmEast (MAC is #17 overall)
5 St Mary's #59 18-4 (beat Portland #228), 8-1 for second in the #10 WCC, RV nationally
6 Western Michigan #87 13-7 (beat Buffalo #292), 6-2 for first in the MAC west
7 Valpo #93 16-6, 7-2 for 1st in the #12 Horizon (0.0004 above Northern Iowa)
8 Northern Iowa #94 11-11 (beat Wichita State) 5-6, tied for 5th in Valley
9 Tennessee State #97 11-10, 7-3, t2 in the Ohio Valley (with Eastern Kentucky)
10 Oral Roberts #103 13-8 (beat Southeastern Louisiana #216), 9-1 for t1 in the #24 Southland with Stephen F. Austin
11 Long Beach State #109 11-8 (beat Cal Poly #200), 9-1 for 1st in the #19 Big West
12 Niagara #112 14-9 (lost to Loyola-MD), 10-2 for 1st in the #15 MAAC
13 Vermont #112 14-7 (done until pairings)
14 Davidson #114 14-7 (beat Wofford #259)
15 Murray State #115 14-5 (beat Austin Peay #341)
16 UIC #121 13-9 (lost to Cleveland State #211), 5-5 for 6th in the Horizon; UIC Already Played Iona this year (and beat them)
17 Utah State #123 15-5 (beat Seattle University #283)
18 Western Illinois #133 15-5 (done until pairings), 9-2 three-way tie for #18 Summit 1st
drake 136
fairfield 143
oakland 148
Now, the Away Teams
1 Creighton #30 20-3 (Beat Bradley #161) 9-2, first in the Valley
2 North Dakota State #65 16-5 (Home to South Dakota #237) 9-2 three-way tie for #18 Summit 1st
3 South Dakota State #66 15-6 (beat UMKC #273) 9-2 three-way tie for #18 Summit 1st
4 Detroit #72 13-8 Done until Pairings
5 Stephen F Austin #80 14-2 (beat Lamar #322) 9-1, Tied with Oral Roberts for lead in Southland
6 Eastern Kentucky #81 16-6 (beat Southeast Missouri State #241) 7-3 in OVC-East, tied for 2nd place
7 Ohio #90 15-6 (lost at Akron #67) 6-1 in MidAmEast; Akron is 8-0 in MidAmEast
8 Iona #96 14-9 (lost at Canisius #115) Gaels are 8-4 in conference 3-way tie for 2nd place
9 Loyola (MD) #101 16-18 (beat Niagara) 3-way tie for 2nd in MAAC
10 Northwestern State #106 9-6 (Sunday @ McNeese State #242)
11 Denver #108 13-8 (beat Texas State #268) 9-2, 2nd place in Western Athletic Conf
12 Canisius #110 15-8 (beat Iona #96), 3 way tie for 2nd in MAAC
13 Pacific #114 11-8 (beat UC Davis #248) 7-2, 2nd place in Big West behing LBState
14 Montana #118 14-4 (beat Eastern Washington #325)
15 Savannah State #123 10-9 (done until pairings)
16 Evansville #128 12-10 (lost to Missouri State #213) 6-5, 4th place in Missouri Valley
17 Weber State #135 13-5 (beat Northern Colorado #321)
18 Jacksonville State #145 13-7
Illinois State #146 13-10 (done until pairings)
OK, here's my final prediction for the 8 TV games (on EPSN2 and U) The ESPN3 games are just internet and not nearly as important from a publicity standpoint.
Belmont--Creighton
Wichita State--Detroit
St. Mary's--Denver
Akron--North Dakota State
Northern Iowa--South Dakota State
Valpo--Ohio
Indiana State--Stephen F. Austin
Davidson--Iona
These make the most sense to me based on ranking, physical location and TV interest. When do we find out??
Quote from: vu72 on February 04, 2013, 02:51:19 PM
OK, here's my final prediction for the 8 TV games (on EPSN2 and U) The ESPN3 games are just internet and not nearly as important from a publicity standpoint.
Belmont--Creighton
Wichita State--Detroit
St. Mary's--Denver
Akron--North Dakota State
Northern Iowa--South Dakota State
Valpo--Ohio
Indiana State--Stephen F. Austin
Davidson--Iona
These make the most sense to me based on ranking, physical location and TV interest. When do we find out??
5:30 p.m. Central, ESPNU
Love your predicted matchup and tip time, especially if its the Saturday night time slot
With this being the last year of BB, how high of a priority is RPI? The priority will be getting more people watching the game (and the return game next season). That being said St Mary's vs. Creighton seems like a game that would draw some people, as well as Wichita St vs. Ohio. I stopped predicting after Valpo.
Belmont - ND State
Wichita St - Ohio
Indiana St - Detroit
Akron - SF Austin
St Mary's - Creighton
Valpo - SD State
As expected, not too much changed with Sunday's games. I've not updated all the numbers: there were lots of moves by one or two places. I have updated them where the ordering changed (including Niagara - which was maybe just a typo on my part?).
Home Teams
1 Belmont #19 17-4 (beat Tennessee Tech #270), 9-0 1st in the #16 Ohio Valley
2 Wichita State #26 19-4 (lost to Northern Iowa #109), 8-3, second in the #9 other valley, #15/#14 nationally
3 Indiana State #52 13-8 (lost at Drake #147), 7-4, third in the MVC
4 Akron #53 16-4 (beat Ohio #97), 8-0 in MidAmEast (MAC is #17 overall)
5 St Mary's #59 18-4 (beat Portland #228), 8-1 for second in the #10 WCC, RV nationally
6 Western Michigan #91 13-7 (beat Buffalo #292), 6-2 for first in the MAC west
7 Valpo #93 16-6, 7-2 for 1st in the #12 Horizon (0.0004 above Northern Iowa)
8 Northern Iowa #94 11-11 (beat Wichita State) 5-6, tied for 5th in Valley
9 Tennessee State #97 11-10, 7-3, t2 in the Ohio Valley (with Eastern Kentucky)
10 Oral Roberts #103 13-8 (beat Southeastern Louisiana #216), 9-1 for t1 in the #24 Southland with Stephen F. Austin
11 Long Beach State #109 11-8 (beat Cal Poly #200), 9-1 for 1st in the #19 Big West
12 Vermont #112 14-7 (done until pairings)
13 Davidson #114 14-7 (beat Wofford #259)
14 Murray State #115 14-5 (beat Austin Peay #341)
15 Niagara #117 14-9 (lost to Loyola-MD), 10-2 for 1st in the #15 MAAC
16 UIC #121 13-9 (lost to Cleveland State #211), 5-5 for 6th in the Horizon; UIC Already Played Iona this year (and beat them)
17 Utah State #123 15-5 (beat Seattle University #283)
18 Western Illinois #133 15-5 (done until pairings), 9-2 three-way tie for #18 Summit 1st
Now, the Away Teams
1 Creighton #30 20-3 (Beat Bradley #161) 9-2, first in the Valley
2 North Dakota State #65 16-5 (Home to South Dakota #237) 9-2 three-way tie for #18 Summit 1st
3 South Dakota State #66 15-6 (beat UMKC #273) 9-2 three-way tie for #18 Summit 1st
4 Detroit #72 13-8 Done until Pairings
5 Stephen F Austin #80 14-2 (beat Lamar #322) 9-1, Tied with Oral Roberts for lead in Southland
6 Eastern Kentucky #81 16-6 (beat Southeast Missouri State #241) 7-3 in OVC-East, tied for 2nd place
7 Ohio #90 15-6 (lost at Akron #67) 6-1 in MidAmEast; Akron is 8-0 in MidAmEast
8 Iona #96 14-9 (lost at Canisius #115) Gaels are 8-4 in conference 3-way tie for 2nd place
9 Northwestern State #106 10-6 (beat McNeese State #242)
10 Loyola (MD) #101 16-18 (beat Niagara) 3-way tie for 2nd in MAAC
11 Denver #108 13-8 (beat Texas State #268) 9-2, 2nd place in Western Athletic Conf
12 Canisius #110 15-8 (beat Iona #96), 3 way tie for 2nd in MAAC
13 Pacific #114 11-8 (beat UC Davis #248) 7-2, 2nd place in Big West behing LBState
14 Montana #118 14-4 (beat Eastern Washington #325)
15 Savannah State #123 10-9 (done until pairings)
16 Evansville #128 12-10 (lost to Missouri State #213) 6-5, 4th place in Missouri Valley
17 Weber State #135 13-5 (beat Northern Colorado #321)
18 Jacksonville State #145 13-7
We're 7th which should guarantee one of the 9 ESPN2/ESPNU games. I'm hopeful that we get one of the 5 ESPN2 games, as that will help raise our recruiting profile. I'm hesitant to say our current profile is enough to warrant an ESPN2 game, but we've played on the Uno already this year, the U twice and ESPN3 (which doesn't mean much really) four times. We're scheduled for 2 more appearances on the deuce and one more on the U. Clearly ESPN wants us on their networks, I think they'll bump us up to play a higher profile game on ESPN2 and Ohio would be a good match up of Midwestern schools.
Horizon is getting 2 TV games so I'd say its safe to assume Valpo will get one.
Quote from: HC on February 04, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Horizon is getting 2 TV games so I'd say its safe to assume Valpo will get one.
He gets this from the HL website update for today:
On the Horizon
BracketBusters:One of the founding conferences of the Ramada BracketBusters, the Horizon League placed all nine of its teams in the event.
Two teams were selected for ESPN telecasts, with the opponents to be announced at 6:30 p.m. EST on the ESPNU Selection Show.
The seven other matchups will be released at 7 p.m. EST, following the conclusion of the selection show.
Balance: With five teams sitting within 2 games of each other in the League standings, the Horizon League continues to display remarkable balance.
Eyes will be focused on the Resch Center this weekend, where third-place Green Bay hosts a Wright State squad that sits a half-game behind the Phoenix in the League standings. On Saturday, second-place Detroit visits Green Bay in the Horizon League Network Game of the Week.
The 2010-11 Horizon League regular season featured the first three-way tie for first place in the conference's history, while last year featured a three-way tie for third place.
More of the same could be in store this year, as Valparaiso holds a half-game lead on Detroit, with Green Bay sitting in third, one-half game ahead of Wright State and Youngstown State.
Quote from: valpotx on February 04, 2013, 04:17:38 PMQuote from: HC on February 04, 2013, 04:07:57 PMHorizon is getting 2 TV games so I'd say its safe to assume Valpo will get one.
He gets this from the HL website update for today: On the Horizon BracketBusters:One of the founding conferences of the Ramada BracketBusters, the Horizon League placed all nine of its teams in the event. Two teams were selected for ESPN telecasts, with the opponents to be announced at 6:30 p.m. EST on the ESPNU Selection Show. The seven other matchups will be released at 7 p.m. EST, following the conclusion of the selection show. Balance: With five teams sitting within 2 games of each other in the League standings, the Horizon League continues to display remarkable balance. Eyes will be focused on the Resch Center this weekend, where third-place Green Bay hosts a Wright State squad that sits a half-game behind the Phoenix in the League standings. On Saturday, second-place Detroit visits Green Bay in the Horizon League Network Game of the Week. The 2010-11 Horizon League regular season featured the first three-way tie for first place in the conference's history, while last year featured a three-way tie for third place. More of the same could be in store this year, as Valparaiso holds a half-game lead on Detroit, with Green Bay sitting in third, one-half game ahead of Wright State and Youngstown State.
Valpo and Detroit playing back to back on ESPN2 would set up a nice "Hey you saw these two play last weekend on ESPN2, now watch them play 2 of the better midmajors from other conferences". Valpo-Ohio and Detroit-Akron would set up a nice Horizon vs MAC battle too.
Eastern Kentucky at Valpo announced on ESPNU!! Detroit at Wichita State on ESPN/ESPN2
Wichita State! ESPN/ESPN2! A coup for Detroit! A snub for the Summit... also a snub for VU? Or mostly for the Summit?
Eastern Kentucky's a step up in RPI, at least. And maybe a good OVC team's a change of pace from another MAC team.
But, ESPNU, man! The blackout! The pain!
Bryce gets to speak on the show soon too
i was hoping they'd find a matchup against a dakota school, for the sole purpose of getting to the return game. but eku still isn't a bad draw.
I'm bummed its such an early start, but a good opponent.
Terrible opponent, which shows us no respect. They are ranked third in the OVC by Sagarin and no. 165. This won't help us seeding wise, in the slightest and now is a must win. At least the return game won't be to California or some such place.
BTW, I got 2 of 8 matchups right! Batting .250 :(
Saturday, Feb. 23:
Hot off the HL website:
Eastern Kentucky at Valparaiso, 1 p.m. ET -- ESPNU
Detroit at Wichita State, 4 p.m. ET -- ESPN/ESPN2
Cleveland State at Western Illinois
Milwaukee at IUPUI
Green Bay at Drake
Bradley at UIC
Kent State at Loyola
Evansville at Wright State
Central Michigan at Youngstown State
I share the disappointment that we're playing on ESPNU rather than one of the two more widely viewed networks, but think Eastern Kentucky will make a good two-year opponent. Perhaps Detroit got the marque game at Wichita because ESPN figures they're the best team in the HL or perhaps its because they view a team from Detroit pulling better ratings than one from Valparaiso, IN. Really not much of a surprise that Creighton, Wichita State and Murray State have the choice times on the best available network since they've been in the national media more than other teams in recent years. At least our starting time is better than Indiana State's.
The Colonels are 17-6, just like we are. They are in second place in their division of the Ohio Valley Conference.
Statistically:
They are 70th in Points per game (72), 344th in Rebounds per game (26), 70th in Assists, and 33rd in shooting percentage. EKU's RPI is 83
Valpo is 113th in points per game (70), 208th in Rebounds per game (34), 138th in Assists per game and 41st in shooting percentage. Valpo's RPI is 93
The tipping point for this game? The ValparaiZone Student Cheering Section!
So over the past 2 weeks a lot of discussion about which is a better estimator... I know it's entirely moot now that the bbuster is going away... but here's a comparison of the 13 tv matchups...
Sagarins #1's matchup and #2s Match up... But they had 5 teams in their respective top 13 that did not get a tv game.
Nolan's RPI only had one perfect alignment, #12s Vermont and Canisius, only three teams in their top 13 not get a tv game.
RPI Sagarin
North Dakota State at Akron 2 at a 4 3 at a 4
Stephen F. Austin at Long Beach State 5 at an 11 6 at a 12
Iona at Indiana State 8 and a 3 9 at a 7
Eastern Kentucky at Valparaiso 6 at a 7 20 at a 6
Canisius at Vermont 12 at a 12 14 at a 15
Pacific at Western Michigan 13 at a 6 16 at an 11
Montana at Davidson 14 at a 13 15 at an 8
Northwestern State at Niagara 10 at a 15 18 at a 17
Detroit at Wichita State 4 at a 2 2 at a 2
No. 16 Creighton at Saint Mary's (Calif.) 1 at a 5 1 and 1
South Dakota State at Murray State 3 at a 14 8 at a 9
Denver at Northern Iowa 11 at an 8 5 at a 5
Ohio at Belmont 7 at a 1 4 at a 3
The losers in the "tv" contest?
According to Nolan's RPI:
#8 Home Team Tennessee State
#10 Home Team Oral Roberts
#8 Visiting Team, Loyola MD
According to Sagarin
#10 Home Team, Utah State
#7 Visiting Team Illinois State
#10 Weber State
#11 Evansville
#12 Green Bay
Just looking at the EKU stats, the have a couple of guys sharing scoring honors, one from a south suburb of Chicago... might get a following!
The biggest issue for the BB this year was not enough quality away teams. Detroit is an away team and a good one so they get a good matchup. Akron, according to Katz'article, tried to get ESPN to move them to an away team during the past week in an effort to get a better game. We have an espnu national broadcast at 1 est, which is a good slot as espn and espn 2 games are usually dogs at that time. Plus, I have a wedding that day and asked to keep it early, Valpo grads getting married so we need a good warm up.
Quote from: vu72 on February 04, 2013, 06:05:31 PM
Terrible opponent, which shows us no respect. They are ranked third in the OVC by Sagarin and no. 165. This won't help us seeding wise, in the slightest and now is a must win.
Totally agree with this. EKU looks like a third or fourth place team in the OVC ... matching them up against the Horizon leader is ridiculous. EKU has a respectable RPI because they played (and lost to) a few highly rated teams and have beaten up on a bunch of chumps.
A simple breakdown of their 16 wins gives you a glimpse of who they really are ... 1 win over top 100 RPI teams, 6 wins over 101-200 teams and a whopping 9 wins against 201+ teams. That isn't strong at all.
Not sure why ESPN would do this to Valpo, but not much you can do other than beat them handily and prove a point.
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2013, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
Illinois State is 12-10, but 3-7 in the MVC. They will NOT be placed against the HL leader, regardless of RPI
I keep hearing these statements about how ESPN would never do this or that with certain teams in the bracketbuster. The truth is that ESPN is dropping the bracketbuster because they can no longer get the match-ups that they truly want. So many good teams are dropping out of the bracketbuster that it has become particularly hard to match teams that are equivalent in rank. This is the last year of the bracketbuster and Valpo may not get the opponent they want so we'll have to make the best of it and win the added game to our schedule.
Again, Valpo doesn't get the opponent it wants so the Crusaders will have to make the best of it and win this added game to their schedule.
http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx (http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx)
Story on their(EKU) bracketbuster match-up with Valpo.
Quote from: bbtds on February 04, 2013, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2013, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
Illinois State is 12-10, but 3-7 in the MVC. They will NOT be placed against the HL leader, regardless of RPI
I keep hearing these statements about how ESPN would never do this or that with certain teams in the bracketbuster. The truth is that ESPN is dropping the bracketbuster because they can no longer get the match-ups that they truly want. So many good teams are dropping out of the bracketbuster that it has become particularly hard to match teams that are equivalent in rank. This is the last year of the bracketbuster and Valpo may not get the opponent they want so we'll have to make the best of it and win the added game to our schedule.
Again, Valpo doesn't get the opponent it wants so the Crusaders will have to make the best of it and win this added game to their schedule.
Everything changed after the YSU loss last week, so we get who we get.
Quote from: bbtds on February 04, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx (http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx)
Story on their(EKU) bracketbuster match-up with Valpo.
Tell me they were kidding when they said they were hosting ":Crowley Ridge"!!
Quote from: vu72 on February 04, 2013, 10:14:14 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 04, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx (http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx)
Story on their(EKU) bracketbuster match-up with Valpo.
Tell me they were kidding when they said they were hosting ":Crowley Ridge"!!
Yes, someone asked about Crowley's Ridge College!
My cousin and aunt live in Paragould, AR home of Crowley's Ridge College. So I've actually heard of it. Crowley's Ridge College is a small Churches of Christ college in northeast Arkansas. It sit's directly on an ancient ridge that was the edge of a once "great lake" that was drained by the Mississippi River as the ice age ended and the giant glaciers melted. This very distinguishable ridge seperates the Ozark Mountains from the flat Mississippi River bottom lands. It's in an area of pine trees and much forestation. Any way, what this small college in Arkansas is doing playing Eastern Kentucky.......I have NO IDEA.
Story in the Richmond, KY Register on EKU's game with SEMO (Cape Girardeau, MO):
http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x1633471432/OVC-HOOPS-Stutz-records-double-double-as-EKU-tops-SEMO (http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x1633471432/OVC-HOOPS-Stutz-records-double-double-as-EKU-tops-SEMO)
Story in Richmond Register on loss to Tenn-Martin:
http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x2056601656/OVC-HOOPS-Colonels-come-up-short-at-Martin (http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x2056601656/OVC-HOOPS-Colonels-come-up-short-at-Martin)
Story on loss to Belmont
http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x1303531276/OVC-HOOPS-Hot-shooting-carries-Bruins-to-85-74-win-over-Colonels (http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x1303531276/OVC-HOOPS-Hot-shooting-carries-Bruins-to-85-74-win-over-Colonels)
Eastern KY has had no games shown on the ESPN 3 website.
I understand some of the disappointing sentiment, but judging by their scores over the past month, they appear to be a very good mid-major team. Most importantly, since EKU is 10 games over .500 in D-I contests, and will likely finish higher than that, the game will be an RPI booster for the Crusaders. Remember 50% of your RPI is your opponents record.
Here's a recap on ESPN's website of their game against Illinois:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=323510356 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=323510356)
The Illini raced to a 17-6 lead but had trouble putting away the Colonels. The Illini were 2 of 13 from the 3-point line with 10 turnovers in the first half. Eastern Kentucky scored 11 points off those turnovers to keep it close.
"At halftime, I really felt we'd win the game," Eastern Kentucky coach Jeff Neubauer said. "Our defense was good enough to win the game."
Had it not been for the poor shooting, Eastern Kentucky might have taken the game to the wire.
"We've been much better defensively," Neubauer said. "We've invested so much time in our defense. I've not done a good enough job with our offense. It showed up tonight."
The Colonels cut the margin to 42-38 on a three-point play by Walden. But moments later Abrams scored seven points during the key surge for the 54-40 lead.
Here are the archived EKU games from the OVC Digital Network:
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/216 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/216) (at Tenn-Martin)
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/202 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/202) (Belmont-home)
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/196 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/196) (Tenn St.-home)
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/187 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/187) (at Jacksonville St.)
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/184 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/184) (at Belmont)
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/164 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/164) (SIU-E home)
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/156 (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#Archive/156) (E. Illinois-home)
Quote from: bbtds on February 04, 2013, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 04, 2013, 10:14:14 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 04, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx (http://www.ekusports.com/news/2013/2/4/MBBALL_0204132604.aspx)
Story on their(EKU) bracketbuster match-up with Valpo.
Tell me they were kidding when they said they were hosting ":Crowley Ridge"!!
Yes, someone asked about Crowley's Ridge College!
My cousin and aunt live in Paragould, AR home of Crowley's Ridge College. So I've actually heard of it. Crowley's Ridge College is a small Churches of Christ college in northeast Arkansas. It sit's directly on an ancient ridge that was the edge of a once "great lake" that was drained by the Mississippi River as the ice age ended and the giant glaciers melted. This very distinguishable ridge seperates the Ozark Mountains from the flat Mississippi River bottom lands. It's in an area of pine trees and much forestation. Any way, what this small college in Arkansas is doing playing Eastern Kentucky.......I have NO IDEA.
Crowley's Ridge College has 221 students. They play in the National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA - Division I). The coaches must be buddies and this a favor game.
Link to EKU's fan page:
http://www.maroon-nation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=999 (http://www.maroon-nation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=999)
QuoteNot sure why ESPN would do this to Valpo, but not much you can do other than beat them handily and prove a point.
Valpo got the best opponent available. Valpo - #8 home team RPI; EKU #6 Road team RPI. Not gonna get Creighton, can't get Detroit, NDSU assigned to Akron (more deserving than Valpo). I suppose they could have sent SDSU to Valpo, but at that point you have to consider that Belmont and Indiana State have a bigger gripe than Valpo. Ohio U is probably a bit more attractive opponent (though not as good for the RPI as Eastern Kentucky), but even if that's your criteria rather than RPI, Belmont and Indiana State deserve them more just as they would deserve SDSU more. I'm glad its EKU and not Stephen F. Austin or Northwestern State.
Just took a quick look at e-tix to get some idea of ticket sales for both Detroit and EKU. Maybe 1200 to 1300 seats available for Detroit
and better than double that left for the bracketbuster! Not good, and only one big crowd so far this season.
So talk with, call, e-mail your kids, parents, cousins, ex-wives, work partners, lodge brothers, fishing partners, etc. and tell them that we have a lot of empty room in the ARC for a couple of very important games on espn stations. Its going to be embarrassing if we can only bring in 4200 for Detroit and 3200 for EKU, so get busy!
Just got back from overseas trip and was really enjoying following this thread, knowing the opponent had been picked and that I was getting to follow everything in "real time", as it were.
It would have been interesting to compare the BPIs of the various teams involved in BB (EKU is 123, we 74 at the moment) instead of just RPI and Sagarin, because ESPN who runs the BB (duh) also invented this stat and has been trying to push it.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi)
discussion of BPI on here: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1182.msg23999#msg23999 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1182.msg23999#msg23999)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 09, 2013, 06:18:55 AM
Just got back from overseas trip and was really enjoying following this thread, knowing the opponent had been picked and that I was getting to follow everything in "real time", as it were.
It would have been interesting to compare the BPIs of the various teams involved in BB (EKU is 123, we 74 at the moment) instead of just RPI and Sagarin, because ESPN who runs the BB (duh) also invented this stat and has been trying to push it.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi)
discussion of BPI on here: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1182.msg23999#msg23999 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1182.msg23999#msg23999)
That explains the slowness of the board. ;D
The Eastern Kentucky at Morehead State game is currently at this feed for free on the OVC Digital Network:
http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#close (http://www.ovcdigitalnetwork.com/showcase/#close)
If you didn't notice EKU is wearing white uniforms and MSU is wearing blue.
Stutz doesn't look nearly as bulky as Van Wijk and I think Kevin can muscle his way to the basket against this Colonel team. "Well, I say, I say.....well, I say.......my! whata big boy ya got thar."
Our dutchman can beat up your Castle Knight any day of the week. Those southwestern Indiana guys aren't so tough.
Quote from: bbtds on February 09, 2013, 06:52:21 PMOur dutchman can beat up your Castle Knight any day of the week. Those southwestern Indiana guys aren't so tough.
Although they do know something about playing "in a high school gym"...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 09, 2013, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 09, 2013, 06:52:21 PMOur dutchman can beat up your Castle Knight any day of the week. Those southwestern Indiana guys aren't so tough.
Although they do know something about playing "in a high school gym"...
Castle High School is on a 92-acre (370,000 m2) site. The High School has a 6,000 seat football/track stadium. There is also a baseball and softball field, a soccer field, and 5 tennis courts. the building contains 2 gymnasiums, the North gym with a capacity of 3500, and the South gym with a capacity of 600. There is also a newly completed Olympic size swimming pool.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Castle_High_School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Castle_High_School)
John H Castle High School in Newburgh, IN next to Evansville doesn't have your typical Indiana HS gym. Okay maybe the original one but not the second one.
Funny that Warren Nolan and Real Time RPI both have Eastern Kentucky's schedule very messed up. But in slightly different ways.
Way too many road games listed.
I wonder how it'll affect their RPI when it gets fixed.
Hmm.. it may be that only games in the future are incorrect. So maybe their current RPI is OK.
2/14/2013 Tennessee Tech University* Richmond, Ky. 7 p.m.
2/16/2013 Jacksonville State University* Richmond, Ky. 7 p.m.
2/20/2013 Austin Peay State University* Richmond, Ky. 7 p.m.
2/23/2013 Valparaiso University Valparaiso, In. 1 p.m.
2/28/2013 Tennessee Tech University* Cookville, Tenn. 8:30 p.m.
3/2/2013 Tennessee State University* Nashville, Tenn. 8:30 p.m.
Here's what I got from their athletics website.
Yeah, exactly. I emailed Warren Nolan about it, and he already fixed his site. Since it only affected future games, it affected predicted RPI etc. but not the current value.
We'll see if sites like realtimerpi get fixed as the games go final, or if they start to calculate divergent RPI numbers.
so... now that we can look at this game...without being criticized... this is a huge post-season placement game. Just what the Bbuster had in mind.
EKY is probably an NIT team, looking up at Belmont. OVC I'm sure is a one and done conference.
their last 8 games:
L Home Belmont RPI 25 by 9 crowd 5500
L Away Tenn-Martin RPI 305 by 7 crowd 1341
W Away SEMO RPI 232 by 9 crowd 2922
W Home Little Sisters of the Poor D3 by 68 crowd 1050
W Away Morehead State RPI 161 by 21 crowd 4308
W Home Tennessee Tech RPI 247 by 11 crowd 2350
W Home Jacksonville St RPI 165 by 13 crowd 3100
and probably will beat #309 Austin Peee (5-20) at home tomorrow... their last home game, so it's senior night in Richmond, KY.
so they come in with a 6-game winning streak.... 15-1 at home and 7-5 on the road.
00 Cosey 15.6 ppg 35 minutes per game .400 three point shooter, 78% FT
03 DiNunno 15.5 ppg 35 minutes per game .400 three point shooter 85% FT, 1.4:1 Assist/TO ratio
02 Walden 12.1 ppg 27 minutes per game, 88% FTs, has fouled out 5 times.
42 Stutz 20 blocks and 20 steals, started every game, 4.7 Rpg
and for those of us looking for a reason to go to the Alumni Coliseum - McBrayer Arena next year for the return matchup... Upper Chair seats are $10, General Admission are $8 (Kids 6).... straight shot down I65/75 then a mile to campus.
Hope Detroit likes snow... 14 inches and counting in Wichita from Winter Storm "Q" (seriously, Q?)
Quote from: KL31NY on February 21, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
Hope Detroit likes snow... 14 inches and counting in Wichita from Winter Storm "Q" (seriously, Q?)
very jamesh bond (my attempt at typing with a scottish accent. now let's see who gets the quote...)
Quote from: KL31NY on February 21, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
Hope Detroit likes snow... 14 inches and counting in Wichita from Winter Storm "Q" (seriously, Q?)
No, not seriously. The Weather Channel is a joke. This is from "Nemo":
QuoteWhat you shouldn't do is call the storm "Nemo." Please. It's not the storm's name; it's a marketing scheme: an irritating, inane attempt by the Weather Channel to hijack weather reporting and the communication of emergency information. It's stupid, flawed, and possibly even dangerous. And it's already working incredibly well.
In fact, if you didn't know better, you'd assume that Nemo was the winter storm's official government name, not the unimaginative appellation of a cable channel with overeager social media managers. It's being used by media outlets across the northeast—the Post, the Daily News, even this website—and by local government officials, including Mayor Bloomberg here in New York.
But winter storms and storm system don't get official names, for a variety of good reasons: they're unwieldy, uneven, often composed of more than one actual storm. It's hard to say where one ends and another begins; a single storm can be one of a number of different types, or a combination of types.
" :censored: that," we might imagine the Weather Channel's marketing bros yelling from their offices. Hurricanes, with their anthropomorphizing names, get so much traction. Why can't they do the same thing with winter storms?
"Well," someone small and boring pipes up, "cyclones, which are the kind of storm that gives rise to hurricanes, are meteorologically-specific events that are easily identifiable; last for a long time; and arise simultaneously with other, similar storms, necessitating individual identification. The names taken from lists compiled by the Regional Association IV Hurricane Committee of the World Meteorological Association, and used by news organizations and government agencies to spread awareness and streamline commun—"
http://gawker.com/5982748 (http://gawker.com/5982748)
The 1st Annual Exhaustingly Comprehensive HL BracketBuster Preview
all times eastern
FIRST) Eastern Kentucky (22-6, 11-3 OVC—2nd in E Div) @ Valpo (21-7, 11-3 HL)WHEN) 1 PM
WHERE) ESPNU
BPI RANKS) #103 @ #73
RPI FORECAST) Valpo by 8, 77% chance
WHY TO WATCH) Seriously? Get outta my site.
THIS GAME IS LIKE), a must-win. Not like, YSU, see, but still, like, as much as a non-con game could be like, this game is it. Like, the difference between a 14 and a 13 seed.
(http://camosun.ca/learn/school/as/images/facebook-like.jpg)
SECOND) Detroit (18-9, 10-4 HL) @ Wichita St (23-5, 12-4 MVC—1st)WHEN) 4 PM
WHERE) ESPN2
BPI RANKS) #75 @ #23
RPI FORECAST) Shockers by 7, 73% chance of Shocking result
WHY TO WATCH) Maybe Detroit can catch WSU, one of the nation's best-rebounding teams, looking ahead to their crucially important rematch with second-place Creighton, who will be looking for revenge as well as a shot at the league crown.
THIS GAME IS LIKE) The Oscars.
(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2013/02/oscars_red_carpet_aerial_a_l.jpg)
WHY) Nothing of any lasting importance is going happen, but it will be glitzy and fun and loud, plus too many people will be talking/griping about it the next day, and you'll want to be in on that.
THIRD) Evansville (15-13, 8-8 MVC—5th) @ Wright St (18-9, 9-5 HL)WHEN) 2 PM
WHERE) um...the HLN?
BPI RANKS) #105 @ #140
RPI FORECAST) WSU by 2, 56% chance
WHY TO WATCH) Cackle with glee as all the unkind things BigDWSU had to say about the Purple Aces' program come back to bite him in his Billy D.
THIS GAME IS LIKE) Avatar
(http://www.impawards.com/2009/posters/avatar_ver4.jpg)
WHY) You'll be surprised who you end up rooting against.
(Or maybe not, if you already hated America and freedom.)
FOURTH) Green Bay (15-12, 9-5 HL) @ Drake (12-15, 6-10 MVC—8th)WHEN) 8:05 PM
WHERE) what are you, an advance scout?
BPI RANKS) #119 @ #135
RPI FORECAST) GB by a fraction, 52% chance (
note to those in ESPN Sec 140: it is impossible to win by a non-integer, so don't bother hedging)
WHY TO WATCH) You are an advance scout.
THIS GAME IS LIKE) Herman Cain.
(http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cainfoxnewscontrib-screen.jpg)
WHY) Seems worth checking out, until you actually tune in and pay attention.
FIFTH) Central Michigan (9-16, 2-10 MAC—last in W Div) @ YSU (15-12, 7-7 HL)WHEN) 7:05 PM
WHERE) the Dr. Oz show, where he'll talk about Kendrick Perry's knee (he's the guest right after Marcus Lattimore)(http://www.canlitvizled.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Medicalchannel.gif)
BPI RANKS) 269 @ #173
RPI FORECAST) YSU by 9; 80% chance
RPI FORECAST) (
in a stage whisper)
clearly does not know about the whole, you know, endrickKay erryPay eeKnay ebacleDay.
WHY TO WATCH) You are directly related to a player or coach involved.
THIS GAME IS LIKE) The Office without Steve Carell.
(http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Andy--andy-bernard-181921_400_225.jpg)
WHY) Once upon a time, you had hopes. High hopes for a promising season, but time, injury, and presence of
Gabe DJ Cole just kind of sucked all the life out of you. Now you are "like David Spade without Chris Farley—alone and useless."
HEY NO SIMILES IN YOUR ANALOGIES) Sorry.
SIXTH) Bradley (15-13, 7-9 MVC—7th) @ UIC (15-12, 6-8 HL)WHEN) 4 PM
WHERE) on the south side of Chicago / in the baddest part of town. Er. Sorry. Something called "ESFC". Seriously! This is actually the only part of this preview I am not making up.
BPI RANKS) 130 @ #170
RPI FORECAST) UIC by 2; 56% chance
WHY TO WATCH) You are consumed by desire that Bradley might join the HL one day. Or you just want to watch their opponent, the most inconsistent team in D1 basketball this year, out of 347 teams, according to the BPI.
WHO IS SECOND) Northwestern. O come on, Rahm Emmanuel!
THIS GAME IS LIKE) holiday dinner with the in-laws
(http://bubba.org/nlcv/images/family_dinner.jpg)
WHY) Is made 86.7% better by
pounding downing a bottle of wine in the parking lot beforehand.
SEVENTH) CSU (13-16, 5-10 HL) @ Western Illinois (19-6, 11-3 Summit—2nd)WHEN) 8 PM
WHERE) the armpit of illinois
BPI RANKS) 244 @ 127
RPI FORECAST) does not know this game exists. Seriously. Lucky bastards. Check me if you doubt it. You'll learn...
WHY TO WATCH) You lead a drab, wretched life to the extent that this is your Saturday night highlight. I'm so, so sorry.
THIS GAME IS LIKE) Skip Bayless
(http://jeffpearlman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/skip_bayless_projectile_vomit1.jpg)
WHY) It is a travesty, a sham, and a mockery—a traveshamockery—perpetrated upon the American people by ESPN.
EIGHTH) Kent State (14-12, 5-7 MAC) @ Loyola (14-13, 4-10 HL)WHEN) 3 PM
WHERE) in front of dozens of
terrified Chicagoans huddled together to escape the volleying gunfire outside devoted fans gathered to watch a thrilling match of sport
BPI RANKS) #144 @ #174
RPI FORECAST) KSU, fractionally; 51% chance
WHY TO WATCH) you are currently being tortured by terrorists with no regard for the Geneva Convention and the alternative was waterboarding, or possibly the next game
THIS GAME IS LIKE) The Kardashian sisters.
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/stylewatch/blog/091026/kardashian-500x375.jpg)
WHY) So blindingly unattractive, why are we still even talking about them? That reminds me:
NINTH) Milwaukee (7-22, 3-12 HL) @ IUPUI (6-22, 1-13 Summit—nadir)WHEN) 3 PM
WHERE) undisclosed Federal safe place (probably where they're keeping Cheney)
BPI RANKS) #300 @ #318
RPI FORECAST) Milwaukee by 1; 54% chance
NO SERIOUSLY WISE GUY) That was actually not one of my jokes. Fitting that it was the only one you laughed at, eh?
WHY TO WATCH) You're the kind of guy who laughs at a funeral. Can't understand what I mean? You soon will.
THIS GAME IS LIKE) this.
(http://andromeda.plymouthlibrary.org/blog/libchoice/images/coolasice.jpg)
Absolutely unwatchable by anyone
under 17.
PREDICTION: HL goes 4-5WINNERS: Valpo, YSU, Loyola, and MILWAUKEE ON THE ROAD THE APOCALYPSE IS UPON US
(http://praxistheatre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/four_horsemen.jpg)
I think you need a hobby :thumbsup:
He has one! Very entertaining and nicely done!! :clap: :clap:
That was a very fun read.........
Let's go HL! I am not sure of the consequences for the conference's RPI over these 9 games, but the WAC is not too far behind us in that area.
Quote from: valpotx on February 23, 2013, 12:55:02 AMthe WAC is not too far behind us in that area.
Then it's time for us to deploy "MISSION: CHICAGO STATE"
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Oh Man... and I was going to put big bucks on IUPUI tonight... thank you for saving me from the embarrassment! Guess I'll just watch a replay of last night's Saint Louis Game at the venerable place down state...:)
Quote from: Smj on February 22, 2013, 10:35:04 PMThat was a very fun read.........
thanks, smj & 72. it's fun putting these together, but you never know who gets it.
Here's a "who to root for" page: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/jerry-palm-reader (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/jerry-palm-reader) Especially fun for today with all these Bracketbuster matchups
Quote from: KL31NY on February 23, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
Here's a "who to root for" page: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/jerry-palm-reader (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/jerry-palm-reader) Especially fun for today with all these Bracketbuster matchups
great find. gonna have to save this one for the next couple weeks.
i can't do it. just can't root for detroit. go shockers! love their arena too. looks and sounds like one hell of a place to play.
As of 8:20, the HL is 3W (Valpo, UWM and YSt) and 4L (WSU, UDM, UIC and LUC)....
with two in-progress... Cleveland State up 6 on Western Ill with 10:00 to play, and UWGB down 13 to Drake with 14:00 to play
well, wish i weren't right, but called it on the 4-5. and swap Loyola for CSU and I'd have gotten them all right too. (ok, maybe i've been spending too much time in the purgatory that is ESPN Sec 140)
shocked that the Summit contender went down at home. Look at the box, too--nothing leaps out that "yeah no wonder they lost to The Cleve"--other than the fact that midgame they went from being up 11 to down 8 pretty much.
also wish Loyola had pulled it off, but since KSU is an opponent, doesn't hurt too much. balances out IUPUI losing :)
what say those that watched live, say WSU-Det, etc?
I watched the WSU-Det game and Detroit was really
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 23, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
well, wish i weren't right, but called it on the 4-5. and swap Loyola for CSU and I'd have gotten them all right too. (ok, maybe i've been spending too much time in the purgatory that is ESPN Sec 140)
shocked that the Summit contender went down at home. Look at the box, too--nothing leaps out that "yeah no wonder they lost to The Cleve"--other than the fact that midgame they went from being up 11 to down 8 pretty much.
also wish Loyola had pulled it off, but since KSU is an opponent, doesn't hurt too much. balances out IUPUI losing :)
what say those that watched live, say WSU-Det, etc?
I watched the game and Detroit was really sloppy. Did mount a comeback and got to within 1 or 2 then let it slip away. Juwan Howard Jr didn't play so their very shallow bench was all the more such. McCallum and Minnerath played very good games but WSU just had better, deeper talent. They will make some noise come March and xould win the alley come their tourney. Creighton took it on the chin at St. Mary's.
Detroit spent most of the first half bickering with each other, and all of both halves playing no defense. Their offense was impressive as always.
Sweet, hopefully they keep bickering with each other. They are the Lakers of the HL. If they are in sync, they can blow you out, but otherwise, they are screwed.
Also, the WAC went 6-1 in BB play, to close to within 0.0037 of us. That is the closest it has been for awhile, but should keep them from catching the HL in RPI
Quote from: valpotx on February 23, 2013, 10:29:22 PM
Also, the WAC went 6-1 in BB play, to close to within 0.0037 of us. That is the closest it has been for awhile, but should keep them from catching the HL in RPI
Detroit still has to play Temple. I wonder if a Detroit loss would cause us to fall below the WAC?
Quote from: vu72 on February 23, 2013, 09:27:22 PM
Juwan Howard Jr didn't play so their very shallow bench was all the more such.
Based off reports from examiner.com and the Wichita Eagle, Howard injured one his hips in practice this week. I could not find out which hip. I would like to hear that, though, because I found some stories from mlive.com about Howard's 2010-11 freshman year at WMU. In mid-January of that season, he injured his right hip and groin in a game against Ball State on a fall after a drive to the basket which resulted in a charge. Despite the injury and lack of practice time, he played through some pain in the team's next game four days later against Eastern Michigan. According to his UDM bio, he did not miss a game that season.
HL did okay in the bracket buster.... 4-3... I NEVER thought UDM had much of a chance against Wichita. I saw them play a couple games this year and they looked good at home.
I really wanted Wright State to beat the Purple Asses (damn autocorrect - meant Aces). I hoped for a Valpo win but definitely was NOT thinking we would beat them that badly.
Quote from: wh on February 23, 2013, 10:43:42 PMDetroit still has to play Temple. I wonder if a Detroit loss would cause us to fall below the WAC?
Probably not. Detroit's just one team, and their loss at Wichita State left their RPI rank basically unchanged - probably a loss at Temple wouldn't do too much worse.
If the Bracketbuster disparity is repeated in the post-season, that might be enough to push us below the WAC.
Quote from: Smj on February 24, 2013, 07:20:20 AMHL did okay in the bracket buster.... 4-3...
Except that we have nine teams in the conference, and went 4-5. Good to see UWM get a win on the road in non-conference play.
Quote from: agibson on February 24, 2013, 08:46:06 AM
Quote from: Smj on February 24, 2013, 07:20:20 AMHL did okay in the bracket buster.... 4-3...
Except that we have nine teams in the conference, and went 4-5. Good to see UWM get a win on the road in non-conference play.
Interesting my CBS sports phone app does not show any other games? (Good thing I am not a reporter)
SMJ, i'm guessing one of those was the CSU-Western Ill game? It wasn't on RPIForecast, meaning it wasn't on KenPom either...
Actually...real-time thinking happening--no it couldn't be because you missed two losses.
Do tell: who doesn't rate?
You know, like people do with their crazy uncles--hide them in a spare room when company comes over--maybe that's what the HL was trying to do for BB yesterday...
Quote from: Smj on February 24, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
HL did okay in the bracket buster.... 4-3... I NEVER thought UDM had much of a chance against Wichita. I saw them play a couple games this year and they looked good at home.
I really wanted Wright State to beat the Purple Asses (damn autocorrect - meant Aces). I hoped for a Valpo win but definitely was NOT thinking we would beat them that badly.
I think we need to give WSU a pass. The fact that Arceneaux and Darling (their 2 leading scorers) didn't play changed the entire dynamic of the game. The fact that WSU stayed within 12 without them is a pretty good accomplishment.
True, but Evansville's second leading scorer, Ned Cox, managed just 9 minutes before injuring his foot.
His replacement, the freshman DJ B., scored 18 in the second half to make up for it. Guess it was Balentine's Day.
To paraphrase "The Rock"'s Sean Connery, "Losers talk about their best (players). Winners go (to their bench) and (find) a prom queen to play guard."
This'll be the last time you hear me quote Billy D in support of him:
Quote"D.J. Balentine's a guy we really recruited very, very hard," said Wright State coach Billy Donlon. "JT Yoho said yes first. That was the last (scholarship) we had. I'm not saying we would have beaten Evansville for him, but we went all the way to the wire with D.J. Balentine. He's a terrific player."
...
"We have good enough players who played tonight to win that game," Donlon said. "It had nothing to do with Cole and Reggie not playing. I mean it. I also will not disrespect the effort with which the Evansville kids played with, and I also will remind you that their second-best player (Cox) played nine minutes."
(in the interest of fairness perhaps it should be noted that Yoho was no slouch either in 32 bench minutes, with 20 points, 11 rebounds, and 1 bottle of rum)
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/feb/23/balentine-scores-11-first-half-maintain-ues-lead-o/ (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/feb/23/balentine-scores-11-first-half-maintain-ues-lead-o/)
Quote from: wh on February 23, 2013, 10:43:42 PMDetroit still has to play Temple. I wonder if a Detroit loss would cause us to fall below the WAC?
Quote from: agibson on February 24, 2013, 08:45:13 AMProbably not. Detroit's just one team, and their loss at Wichita State left their RPI rank basically unchanged - probably a loss at Temple wouldn't do too much worse.
well @#% i schadened my freudeWAC .5015
HL .5014
http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html)
http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/conf_Men.html)
Ouch.
We've climbed back above them later on this evening, at least. We're at 0.5010, they're down to 0.5004.
Could come down to a coin toss. Or post-season play.