When everybody gets healthy and eligible, who will see their minutes cut the most?
Quote from: truth219 on November 19, 2012, 09:50:45 AM
When everybody gets healthy and eligible, who will see their minutes cut the most?
Half of the playing time Dority gets will come from Will Bogan. Capo will grab his from 4 different directions, but Vashil will lose the most. Vashil needs to get some offense going to prevent that from happening.
Or another way to look at it is that Vashil can be even more aggressive on the defense because if he fould out we still have Capo. Clearly you will have seen the end of Bogan's point guard duties but I think he does an OK job and certainly can shoot it maybe better than Dority, who knows.
Vashil also needs to get some time on the court right now so he has experience. He sat out all of last year, and didn't come to the game as early as most of his teammates did. Give him time. Dority might split with Boggs and Bogan. Capo should either start, or come off the bench when Kevin needs a breath or two. Consider a starting lineup of Buggs, Boggs/Bogan/Dority, Ryan(Rowdy), Kevin, and Bobby. The 2 could rotate, based on who we're playing, and which one of them is being the most productive. I'm not going to jump on the Dority bandwagon, as I've never seen him play, and YouTube highlights don't do enough to show he can play for me.
Vashil is too much of a liability to keep him on the court for any lenght of time. As good as he can be at times on defense, he has way to many turnovers. And bogan is our weakest guard. He can shoot, but so can everybody else...besides buggs. Coleman is good as well he should still get his minutes. Vashil,bogan, and boggs should lose the most minutes as far as I'm concerned. Rossi needs more, assuming he is healthy.
For someone with only 4 posts, so far, you definitely aren't aware that Vashil is NEW to the lineup, and still needs some work, but he can't get the kind of game experience without having the opportunities he has now to get that experience. Like I said in my earlier post, he's also relatively new to basketball, as Jamaicans don't normally grow up with basketball as they do track, soccer, and some of the more outdoor sports their climate is accustomed to.
Just because I'm new to this website does not mean I'm new to basketball or valpo basketball. I should be defending my comments and not myself, so I will do that. Sure vashil needs to play but there will be times when he can. Let's say if we get a comfortable lead. This season about developing vashil, its about getting wins. We have no choice but to play him now but when we get bobby back I see a big change in the rotations.
I think PT might be delegated on a who is hot/not basis.
Quote from: truth219 on November 19, 2012, 12:27:51 PMVashil is too much of a liability to keep him on the court for any lenght of time. As good as he can be at times on defense, he has way to many turnovers. And bogan is our weakest guard. He can shoot, but so can everybody else...besides buggs. Coleman is good as well he should still get his minutes. Vashil,bogan, and boggs should lose the most minutes as far as I'm concerned. Rossi needs more, assuming he is healthy.
I don't disagree about Vashil, but I do about the shooters. I see no evidence to support the statement "but so can everybody else". here's the facts:
Boggs shot 29% last year (overall and from 3)
Kenney shot 31% from 3 (much better overall)
Buggs shot 15% from 3 (but we agree that nobody would classify him as a shooter, although I love having him in the line-up for many reasons)
We're basically left with Ryan and Will as the primary outside threats. It looks like Coleman can shoot it a little, at least so far. And Rossi has lived up to his rep, again "so far".
I said this before, but I don't see any reason as to why Rossi didn't get in during the Kent State game or play more vs. Nebraska. I think his shooting can really take presure off of Ryan and our bigs
Quote from: truth219 on November 19, 2012, 12:27:51 PMVashil is too much of a liability to keep him on the court for any lenght of time. As good as he can be at times on defense, he has way to many turnovers. And bogan is our weakest guard. He can shoot, but so can everybody else...besides buggs. Coleman is good as well he should still get his minutes. Vashil,bogan, and boggs should lose the most minutes as far as I'm concerned. Rossi needs more, assuming he is healthy.
One of the problems we have right now is that it is improbable to have two bigs on the floor at the same time therefore limiting Vashil's minutes because of his lack of production in post offense. With Capo back we could easily play two bigs leaving the defensive middle to Vashil and then Kevin or Capo in the post on offense. It was difficult for us to score when Vashil was in the game (most of our offense was running through the post) but his defense really altered the KS offenses ability to drive to the basket.
If a shooter doesnt get in the game it is usually due to liabilities in other aspects such as rebounding, defense, and ball handling.
Vashil might be one of those electric big guys that simply will take quite a bit of time to develope offensive skills...and defensive skills. Quite often the shot blocker mentality leads to easy offensive rebounding and scores as the defender is out of position.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on November 19, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
Vashil might be one of those electric big guys that simply will take quite a bit of time to develop offensive skills...and defensive skills. Quite often the shot blocker mentality leads to easy offensive rebounding and scores as the defender is out of position.
lowposter
I don't see us just using Vashil as a mop up minutes guy. Many programs have defensive specialists that have a major impact on winning games. I think that could be the case here except that currently we can really have only one big on the floor at a time. When Capo comes back I think that Vashil can be used as that defensive stopper, when called upon, especially in a zone situation because we will have another post style player in the game for the offensive production.
lowposter, I am surprised to have you call out his defensive skills. I have thought that defensively he has been in pretty good position and even has the speed to guard the smaller positions. Sunday he got switched off out high on to one of the KS guards who tried to take him to the basket only to have the ball rejected. Am I missing something?
Quote from: FWalum on November 19, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: lowposter on November 19, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
Vashil might be one of those electric big guys that simply will take quite a bit of time to develop offensive skills...and defensive skills. Quite often the shot blocker mentality leads to easy offensive rebounding and scores as the defender is out of position.
lowposter
I don't see us just using Vashil as a mop up minutes guy. Many programs have defensive specialists that have a major impact on winning games. I think that could be the case here except that currently we can really have only one big on the floor at a time. When Capo comes back I think that Vashil can be used as that defensive stopper, when called upon, especially in a zone situation because we will have another post style player in the game for the offensive production.
lowposter, I am surprised to have you call out his defensive skills. I have thought that defensively he has been in pretty good position and even has the speed to guard the smaller positions. Sunday he got switched off out high on to one of the KS guards who tried to take him to the basket only to have the ball rejected. Am I missing something?
I'm not a great observer, but I've seen nothing complain-worthy about his defense, and it seems like he's got quite a few blocks for his minutes.
He has more blocks than points. 6 blocks and 5 points in 62 mins....offensively unproductive.
When Bobby gets back, Vashil's main contribution will be giving Bryce the ability to have two big men on the court any time he wants. Right now, Vashil can only sub for Kevin and is the lone big man when he is on the court. However, after Bobby returns, I would like to see a three-man rotation, as we saw often in preseason, with Kevin and Bobby starting while Vashil subs for one or the other to keep two big men on the court.
In this scenario, whenever Vashil would be on the court, he'd be beside Kevin or Bobby, either of whom could supply the offense, especially if Vashil occupies the attention of the opposing team's center. Vashil would not be relied upon for much offense, but he still would provide fine defense, which he has shown an ability to do. The stats don't fully indicate Vashil's presence in the paint. In addition to the blocks credited to Vashil, I have seen many times where he disrupted or altered shots by opponents that resulted in misses and turnovers.
Next year, after Kevin graduates, Vashil will probably be better on offense, but the team could still have a three-man rotation with Bobby, Vashil, and Chadwick.
Pal, don't forget about Adekoya. I think he is a big fella who will be ready to rock as a freshman next year.
Quote from: truth219 on November 19, 2012, 06:03:50 PM
He has more blocks than points. 6 blocks and 5 points in 62 mins....offensively unproductive.
I'm aware of that. Was simply commenting on his defensive productivity, backing up the previous post.
I think Vashil statistics this season will be similar to former UCLA center Anthony Stover's stats the past two seasons. No scoring, not much PT, but a lot of shot blocking.
Quote from: valpopal on November 19, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
When Bobby gets back, Vashil's main contribution will be giving Bryce the ability to have two big men on the court any time he wants. Right now, Vashil can only sub for Kevin and is the lone big man when he is on the court. However, after Bobby returns, I would like to see a three-man rotation, as we saw often in preseason, with Kevin and Bobby starting while Vashil subs for one or the other to keep two big men on the court.
In this scenario, whenever Vashil would be on the court, he'd be beside Kevin or Bobby, either of whom could supply the offense, especially if Vashil occupies the attention of the opposing team's center. Vashil would not be relied upon for much offense, but he still would provide fine defense, which he has shown an ability to do. The stats don't fully indicate Vashil's presence in the paint. In addition to the blocks credited to Vashil, I have seen many times where he disrupted or altered shots by opponents that resulted in misses and turnovers.
Next year, after Kevin graduates, Vashil will probably be better on offense, but the team could still have a three-man rotation with Bobby, Vashil, and Chadwick.
Congratulations, you're the only one who has hit on it. Bryce is on the threshold of making a major paradigm shift to go "big" as soon as Bobby gets back and gets in game shape. Bobby and KVW are simply too great a collective force at both ends of the court to not use them together, with Vashil as their primary backup.
Conference schedule starting line-up:
Kevin - C
Bobby - PF
Ryan - SF
Erik/Dority - PG
Coleman - SG
This lineup (along with several quality back-ups) will dominate HL play and be much better positioned to do damage in the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: wh on November 19, 2012, 10:59:57 PMBryce is on the threshold of making a major paradigm shift to go "big" as soon as Bobby gets back and gets in game shape. Bobby and KVW are simply too great a collective force at both ends of the court to not use them together, with Vashil as their primary backup.
Conference schedule starting line-up:
Kevin - C
Bobby - PF
Ryan - SF
Erik/Dority - PG
Coleman - SG
This lineup (along with several quality back-ups) will dominate HL play and be much better positioned to do damage in the NCAA Tournament.
I will agree that we should start to see some of this "go big" line-up perhaps as soon as our next game, but the speed of its implementation and the extent of its use rely somewhat on other unresolved factors. Specifically can the 1 and 2 guard rotation of Buggs Bogan, Coleman, Boggs or Kenny reliably get the ball down the court against the pressure of a St.Louis or New Mexico? If we struggle getting it into the half court then having 3 bigs in the lineup loses much of its effectivness. So my question is just how much mileage can we get from the "go big" until Dority is also added to the mix? Then when Horizon League play begins we will have to find out how many teams might have the players that will neutralize our go-big advantage, and some of them may offer us a stronger position of play if we make the choice to go small.
Don't get me wrong, because I love having this option; but how often we will be able to dictate the style of play especially in the near term remains an open question. LaVonte Dority might be that final missing piece of the puzzle, and by the time he is fully available we might already be out of the at-large picture.
Quote from: justducky on November 25, 2012, 08:03:12 PM
Quote from: wh on November 19, 2012, 10:59:57 PMBryce is on the threshold of making a major paradigm shift to go "big" as soon as Bobby gets back and gets in game shape. Bobby and KVW are simply too great a collective force at both ends of the court to not use them together, with Vashil as their primary backup.
Conference schedule starting line-up:
Kevin - C
Bobby - PF
Ryan - SF
Erik/Dority - PG
Coleman - SG
This lineup (along with several quality back-ups) will dominate HL play and be much better positioned to do damage in the NCAA Tournament.
I will agree that we should start to see some of this "go big" line-up perhaps as soon as our next game, but the speed of its implementation and the extent of its use rely somewhat on other unresolved factors. Specifically can the 1 and 2 guard rotation of Buggs Bogan, Coleman, Boggs or Kenny reliably get the ball down the court against the pressure of a St.Louis or New Mexico? If we struggle getting it into the half court then having 3 bigs in the lineup loses much of its effectivness. So my question is just how much mileage can we get from the "go big" until Dority is also added to the mix? Then when Horizon League play begins we will have to find out how many teams might have the players that will neutralize our go-big advantage, and some of them may offer us a stronger position of play if we make the choice to go small.
Don't get me wrong, because I love having this option; but how often we will be able to dictate the style of play especially in the near term remains an open question. LaVonte Dority might be that final missing piece of the puzzle, and by the time he is fully available we might already be out of the at-large picture.
Good points, ducky.
Quote from: justducky on November 25, 2012, 08:03:12 PMI will agree that we should start to see some of this "go big" line-up perhaps as soon as our next game, but the speed of its implementation and the extent of its use rely somewhat on other unresolved factors. Specifically can the 1 and 2 guard rotation of Buggs Bogan, Coleman, Boggs or Kenny reliably get the ball down the court against the pressure of a St.Louis or New Mexico? If we struggle getting it into the half court then having 3 bigs in the lineup loses much of its effectivness. So my question is just how much mileage can we get from the "go big" until Dority is also added to the mix? Then when Horizon League play begins we will have to find out how many teams might have the players that will neutralize our go-big advantage, and some of them may offer us a stronger position of play if we make the choice to go small.
Don't get me wrong, because I love having this option; but how often we will be able to dictate the style of play especially in the near term remains an open question. LaVonte Dority might be that final missing piece of the puzzle, and by the time he is fully available we might already be out of the at-large picture.
I believe that Dority could end up being a huge factor for us when he gets on the floor, but I am not sure how he really makes a difference in your "go big" scenario. Are you suggesting that he and Buggs would be on the floor together when we go big? If Buggs, Bogan and Broekhoff can't get the ball up the floor and into the half court when Bobby and Kevin are on the floor together then we have some big problems going forward.
SLU is going to present a very interesting match-up situation for us. Their 6'11" 5 will step out and shoot the 3, while their 4 mainly plays around the hoop and the 3 man is a 6'5" 230LB slasher that make most of his points from around the basket and is SLU's leading scorer. Rounding out the line up is a 6'5" 2 guard and a 6'0" point. I think that makes it very probable that we could see the Kevin - C, Bobby - PF, Ryan - SF, Erik - PG and Coleman - SG lineup. If this happens then I would think that Bobby would take their 6'11" guy because he plays more on the perimeter and the 4 whom Kevin would guard plays more of a post.
Quote from: HC on November 26, 2012, 05:47:07 AM
You won't see Coleman...he isn't eligible for this game on the 2nd.
Please don't drop a "bomb shell" like this without some additional information.
yeah, no doubt...unless you meant "Dority"?
The "big" lineup will be forced to play zone quite a bit in the HL, which often features lineups with 4 skilled quick players. Dont get me wrong, the ability to have a big lineup is intriguing and a nice luxury, but it will be another arrow available in the quiver to use and not necessarily a definate.
Basketball is about making defensive stops and overall team quickness.
lowposter
Quote from: vu72 on November 26, 2012, 06:44:21 AM
Quote from: HC on November 26, 2012, 05:47:07 AM
You won't see Coleman...he isn't eligible for this game on the 2nd.
Please don't drop a "bomb shell" like this without some additional information.
If this was confidential material then don't mention it at all until an official release, if not confidential then please give us some back story or remind us of the situation that we have obviously forgotten.
My bad, boy was i tired this morning. :o
I went back removed my original comment.
Quote from: HC on November 26, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
My bad, boy was i tired this morning. :o
I went back removed my original comment.
Whew.... glad to hear that it was just a mistake.
Quote from: lowposter on November 26, 2012, 07:29:04 AM
The "big" lineup will be forced to play zone quite a bit in the HL, which often features lineups with 4 skilled quick players. Dont get me wrong, the ability to have a big lineup is intriguing and a nice luxury, but it will be another arrow available in the quiver to use and not necessarily a definate.
Basketball is about making defensive stops and overall team quickness.
lowposter
I agree that a size advantage doesn't automatically outweigh a quickness advantage. If it did, GB would have been the preseason pick to win the league with Brown at 7-1 and Cougill at 6-9. That said, I do think a high quality big front line is a distinct advantage in most facets of the game.
---Last year's Detroit front line included Eli Holman at 6-10, LaMarcus Lowe at 6-11, and Chase Simon at 6-6. They didn't worry about matching up with smaller HL teams. Those teams had to worry about matching up with them, including us in the HL championship game when they completely overpowered us.
---Think about Butler 3 years ago. Their front line included Howard at 6-8, Hayward at 6-9, and Smith at 6-11. They went 20-0 against league opponents. They created match-up problems for every HL team they faced, and looked straight in the eyes of every D-1 Major they beat on the way to the NCAA Tournament championship game.
---Think about all the good D-1 Majors that dominate smaller, quicker HL teams every year at this time. You never see them trying to "size down" their starting lineups to match up better with smaller Mid's. They may make adjustments as the game goes on if they can't get out quick enough to guard some hot 3-pt. shooting or are getting beat down the floor, but they always start from a position of strength.
The bottom line is teams don't play small, quick line-ups because they're better. They play them because they don't have a choice. Only an extremely small pct of the population is the size of desired college basketball front lines, which means there are only so many good bigs to go around. If you're fortunate enough to have them, they need to be on the floor as much as possible.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2012, 10:37:11 AMThe bottom line is teams don't play small, quick line-ups because they're better. They play them because they don't have a choice. Only an extremely small pct of the population is the size of desired college basketball front lines, which means there are only so many good bigs to go around. If you're fortunate enough to have them, they need to be on the floor as much as possible.
I somewhat agree with this, but what I really think most good coaches do is find a way to get their best players on the court for the greatest amount of minutes. The big discussion last year was where Broekhoff should play. He played the 4 spot almost exclusively, not because he was more effective there, but because he had to for Bryce to get his best players on the floor. Playing Vucic while sitting Bogan or Kenney just didn't make sense.
As wh points out, Valpo has the option of playing bigger this year because Capobianco, Van Wijk and Fernandez are all capable of making solid contributions. Just remember that by going big and giving 20 or so minutes to Fernandez, you have to take minutes away from Buggs/Boggs/Dority/Bogan. That may make sense at times, but I still think you'll see Valpo using the smaller lineup quite a bit.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2012, 10:37:11 AM---Think about Butler 3 years ago. Their front line included Howard at 6-8, Hayward at 6-9, and Smith at 6-11. They went 20-0 against league opponents. They created match-up problems for every HL team they faced, and looked straight in the eyes of every D-1 Major they beat on the way to the NCAA Tournament championship game.
I know wh has worked hard to erase all Butler memories, but this isn't quite right. ;) In 2010, Butler played 6'3" Willie Veasley in the frontcourt (Smith rarely played). In 2011, they played Smith and Howard together, but they were usually surrounded by 3 guards in Nored, Mack and Vanzant. Again, Stevens just did whatever he could to get his best players minutes.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2012, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: lowposter on November 26, 2012, 07:29:04 AM
The "big" lineup will be forced to play zone quite a bit in the HL, which often features lineups with 4 skilled quick players. Dont get me wrong, the ability to have a big lineup is intriguing and a nice luxury, but it will be another arrow available in the quiver to use and not necessarily a definate.
Basketball is about making defensive stops and overall team quickness.
lowposter
I agree that a size advantage doesn't automatically outweigh a quickness advantage. If it did, GB would have been the preseason pick to win the league with Brown at 7-1 and Cougill at 6-9. That said, I do think a high quality big front line is a distinct advantage in most facets of the game.
---Last year's Detroit front line included Eli Holman at 6-10, LaMarcus Lowe at 6-11, and Chase Simon at 6-6. They didn't worry about matching up with smaller HL teams. Those teams had to worry about matching up with them, including us in the HL championship game when they completely overpowered us.
---Think about Butler 3 years ago. Their front line included Howard at 6-8, Hayward at 6-9, and Smith at 6-11. They went 20-0 against league opponents. They created match-up problems for every HL team they faced, and looked straight in the eyes of every D-1 Major they beat on the way to the NCAA Tournament championship game.
---Think about all the good D-1 Majors that dominate smaller, quicker HL teams every year at this time. You never see them trying to "size down" their starting lineups to match up better with smaller Mid's. They may make adjustments as the game goes on if they can't get out quick enough to guard some hot 3-pt. shooting or are getting beat down the floor, but they always start from a position of strength.
The bottom line is teams don't play small, quick line-ups because they're better. They play them because they don't have a choice. Only an extremely small pct of the population is the size of desired college basketball front lines, which means there are only so many good bigs to go around. If you're fortunate enough to have them, they need to be on the floor as much as possible.
Was going to say something along these lines myself until I saw your post. If we had a bunch of "plodders" (see Vucic) on the team this might be an issue but, I think our bigs move relatively well. Even though the HL is more of a guard oriented league I don't think there are that many 5 and 4 position guys that are going to draw Kevin, Capo or Vashil away from the basket with their 3 point shooting ability and then drive around them for easy layups.
I think as zvillehaze explains we will want to get our best players on the floor for as many minutes as possible and without a doubt those minutes are going to have to include some combination of Ryan, Kevin and Bobby.
Consider it another way. If Bryce doesn't play Kevin and Bobby together, they are only going to play 40 minutes combined. How does that work? Does our HL 1st team player Kevin play less than a year ago? Obviously not. That only leaves 15-17 back-up minutes for Capo. Does anyone honestly think that's what Bryce has in mind for him - to be Kevin's back-up and play maybe as little as a third of a game? Probably not. That only leaves one other possibility. They ARE going to be on the court together for some number of minutes.
Bobby will get some extra minutes at the four, but most of his minutes will come at the five. Kevin will play 24-25 minutes a game. There will be plenty of minutes for Bobby. Coach Gore covered this subject on the post-game show Saturday.
Making this all plain and simple, I think wh and I are saying that Bobby will also see the floor 24-25 minutes a game when healthy.
I agree--but do we think Ryan will see any minutes at 4 in this arrangement?
If not, it's simpler--there's 80 minutes for the 4 & 5, so theoretically, KVW & Bobby 30 and Vashil 20, making, say, 10 mpg when KVW and Bobby are both on the court.
If Ryan plays the 4 at times, it becomes a little more complex, namely, say he plays 10 mpg at the 4, then we are back at the estimated KVW/Capo of 25 mpg but still giving Vashil 20.
To me, that seems like a lot for Vashil (in the sense of more could be given to the other guys), but maybe KVW--and definitely Capo--are still working back to full strength.
With the talent and experience this team has, it should not be unrealistic to think we could go 27-5, including 14 wins in conference and the HL tournament championship. However, using a combination of one inside player, one all-around all-star and a roster full of hot-at-home/cold-on-the-road long distance shooters is not going to get us there - any more than it did last year.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
With the talent and experience this team has, it should not be unrealistic to think we could go 27-5, including 14 wins in conference and the HL tournament championship. However, using a combination of one inside player, one all-around all-star and a roster full of hot-at-home/cold-on-the-road long distance shooters is not going to get us there - any more than it did last year.
You hit that nail on the head exactly, wh. There most be more! This is where I truly believe Bryce makes or breaks his chances for the future with this team and how far they go this year.
I think we are a much better and more well rounded team than last years regular season champion. That is why we will be in ever game going forward and none of which seem out of reach regardless of the location.
It' seems fairly simple: last year we played 8 guys and a 7' who sat the fast majority of time and really brought nothing new to the table. One of our 'bigs" was a guy who could shoot it from the 3 but didn't really like to bang like a backup big should. We had Matt who of course seems not only back, but better, and a skinny kid who could on occasion light it up but would also chuck up a 30' with 20 on the shot clock.
This year we add a true banger, a shot blocker and two guys who are bigger and can shoot as well. Oh, and the backup point isn't either and is built like a brick uh...basket ball goal ;)
We will shortly have all the pieces. It will depend on coaching, hard play and luck, but we have the potential for really great things...
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-almost-complete/article_cd5f3f7c-3797-11e2-9518-001a4bcf887a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-almost-complete/article_cd5f3f7c-3797-11e2-9518-001a4bcf887a.html)
Quote from: vu72 on November 26, 2012, 08:37:24 PMI think we are a much better and more well rounded team than last years regular season champion. That is why we will be in ever game going forward and none of which seem out of reach regardless of the location. It' seems fairly simple: last year we played 8 guys and a 7' who sat the fast majority of time and really brought nothing new to the table. One of our 'bigs" was a guy who could shoot it from the 3 but didn't really like to bang like a backup big should. We had Matt who of course seems not only back, but better, and a skinny kid who could on occasion light it up but would also chuck up a 30' with 20 on the shot clock. This year we add a true banger, a shot blocker and two guys who are bigger and can shoot as well. Oh, and the backup point isn't either and is built like a brick uh...basket ball goal ;) We will shortly have all the pieces. It will depend on coaching, hard play and luck, but we have the potential for really great things...
I like the subtle reference to Jay Harris.
Quote from: zvillehaze on November 26, 2012, 11:12:17 AM
I know wh has worked hard to erase all Butler memories, but this isn't quite right. ;)
My joy over arrogant, condescending, dismissive Butler fans getting their wish to be part of another league is always tempered by knowing that hundreds of decent A-10 message board fans are soon to be put upon by those same knuckleheads.
Quote from: FWalum on November 26, 2012, 12:30:44 AMI believe that Dority could end up being a huge factor for us when he gets on the floor, but I am not sure how he really makes a difference in your "go big" scenario. Are you suggesting that he and Buggs would be on the floor together when we go big?
Yes, at times they will be on the floor together. The go-big lineup will be most necessary against the strongest teams on our current schedule and and almost every potential BCS post season opponent. In a go-big situation against teams that have as good or better quickness at every position, we will be forced to reduce the rotation at the 1 and the 2 to where it may almost exclude everyone but Buggs, Dority, and Coleman. That means that the more we use the big lineup in those situations the more minutes at the 2 Dority will be given.
Sure against an average team of average quickness Will or Ben would do just fine, but once again I have to think back to the Detroit game where Harris and Bogan combined for 9 turnovers with many coming from the off guard position. I just do not think that our go-bigs can do anything against that kind of pressure unless our 1 and 2 are capable of near turnover free basketball.
So my best guess for LaVonte's total minutes would include almost all of Eriks backup time (maybe 9 or 10) plus an additional 4 to 7 at the off guard. As good as Capo appears to be, I just can not see how he can get 25 minutes per game (not enough time to go around). I would estimate his minutes at not more than 22 average and frequently much less.