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Title: Chicago state game
Post by: truth219 on November 20, 2012, 06:44:45 PM
What are your feelings/expectations?
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: truth219 on November 20, 2012, 07:32:53 PM
I anticipate a blowout. I hope rossi gets some minutes. Id like to see buggs keep the scoring up, when he takes the ball to the hoop and finish.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: covufan on November 20, 2012, 08:01:25 PM
Up tempo and we play the full 40, on both ends.

Valpo  88
Chi St  55
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: HC on November 20, 2012, 08:11:25 PM
Valpo by 30. Remember Chicago St gave Green Bay all they could handle. Hopefully we get right and stay healthy.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpopal on November 20, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
I expect VU to win easily on Friday, but unfortunately Valpo's RPI will still go down. I hope the lead is large enough early to allow Erik ample rest, as well as Kevin and Ryan, and to get more playing time for the new guys—Rossi, Fernandez, and Coleman. Ditto for Saturday's game.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Smj on November 20, 2012, 09:37:26 PM
I am skipping this game but I should be making the Saturday game.   I am hoping that these will be easy wins (get a big enough lead - rest for some - more playing time for others.)
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: talksalot on November 20, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
I hope everyone will make a liar out of me... I have 80 in the over/under for the crowd at tip-off on Friday afternoon at 4:30 for the Bethune-Cookman/Nebraska-Omaha game.   I see BC lost to Kent State tonight on a shot with 1.7 seconds to go (in regulation, this time)    KSU was favored by 19.  UNO in year-one of D1 full season eligibility, in the Summit League.  I was hoping we might pickup a couple of walk-ons for the weekend, shades of IU-Kokomo last year.  Need to rest up for the Billikens next weekend, who were hanging with Kansas.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpotx on November 21, 2012, 01:49:07 AM
Chicago State is terrible, don't care how close they played GB:

Valpo 84
Beatdown State 54
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: milanmiracle on November 21, 2012, 06:11:08 AM
This game needs to be a blowout, so I'll say they win easily. Chicago State is generally terrible, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: milanmiracle on November 21, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
Quote from: talksalot on November 20, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
I hope everyone will make a liar out of me... I have 80 in the over/under for the crowd at tip-off on Friday afternoon at 4:30 for the Bethune-Cookman/Nebraska-Omaha game.   I see BC lost to Kent State tonight on a shot with 1.7 seconds to go (in regulation, this time)    KSU was favored by 19.  UNO in year-one of D1 full season eligibility, in the Summit League.  I was hoping we might pickup a couple of walk-ons for the weekend, shades of IU-Kokomo last year. Need to rest up for the Billikens next weekend, who were hanging with Kansas.


St. Louis got down by 17 or 18 midway through the first half, cut into that a little bit right before halftime and kind of treaded water the rest of the game and lost by 14.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: atkins on November 21, 2012, 09:42:28 AM
Kansas was outstanding yesterday and would have beaten most of the top 20.  SLU has a good inside game this year, and Kansas just ate them up.  It would be interesting to see how we would perform against Kansas (probably poorly, per our usual performance against BCS teams, and KU is very difficult to beat at home).  If we prevail against SLU, that will be the highest-quality win of the regular season, as SLU is substantially better than our competition in the Horizon this year (despite SLU's inconsistent play, which is oddly similar to Valpo's inconsistent play). 
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: crusadermoe on November 21, 2012, 09:53:50 AM
Agreed SLU will be the toughest test.       

When does Dority become eligible and when does Capo likely return from injury?    I'm hoping both are back in time to play Murray State.   That would measure how much they improve us.     

By they way, Doug Anderson of Detroit posterized a St John guy in that game.   Not quite the jaw-dropper that he did vs. Valpo but impressive.   Freakish athlete.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 21, 2012, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 21, 2012, 09:53:50 AMWhen does Dority become eligible and when does Capo likely return from injury?    I'm hoping both are back in time to play Murray State.

Dority should be good for the December 15 Missouri State game.

Capo's harder to predict, surely.  I guess his injury was announced November 9?  So one month would be December 9, but who knows?
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: FWalum on November 21, 2012, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 21, 2012, 09:53:50 AMWhen does Dority become eligible and when does Capo likely return from injury?    I'm hoping both are back in time to play Murray State.   That would measure how much they improve us.
I was hoping that Capo would be back for the IPFW game, that would be 4 weeks to the day of surgery.  Don't want to push anything obviously, but since I will be there for that game (going up with the IPFW media crew and the Nelligan Sports Marketing people) it would have been nice to see him play in person.

No, I will not be rooting for IPFW... my cousin is the color commentator for the radio broadcast (his father was a Valpo grad and he was offered a BBall scholarship back in 1979 but stayed home and played for IPFW.  He and I have coached together up until about 3 years ago.) I am just hitching a ride and acting as a guide and contact.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vu84v2 on November 21, 2012, 01:03:32 PM
I was at the KU-St. Louis game last night in Kansas City.  I agree with the previous post that Kansas played very well and it would have been hard for most any team to beat them.  I also think that Valpo will have their hands full with St. Louis.  SLU has quality bigs who are mobile and can step out and hit the three (it seemed both their 4 and 5 did that).  Additionally, Jett was hurt and in foul trouble throughout the game with KU and had very little impact...but I will bet that he has an impact against Valpo.  Their bigs will also be much more difficult inside against Valpo (Kansas probably has the best defensive big man in the country).

As far as the games against Chicago State and TBD...Valpo needs to dominate and win both games by 20+. 
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: crusadermoe on November 21, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
Good to hear we will see Dority by Dec. 15 Mo State.    That should give us a look at him vs. Oakland too.   

Hope the rest of the gang can work out some kinks this week.   
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Valposter on November 21, 2012, 04:29:06 PM
I'll through in my prediction for a 25 point win :twocents:

Valpo:  85
Chicago St:  60

Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 21, 2012, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 21, 2012, 01:03:32 PMAdditionally, Jett was hurt and in foul trouble throughout the game with KU and had very little impact...but I will bet that he has an impact against Valpo.

Jordair certainly has been a big disappointment for SLU so far. He had a really bad game against Santa Clara too. But I think you're correct that Jett will make a big impact against Valpo. Kwamain Mitchell not being back from his broken foot yet will have a great impact on the SLU game too. I think the loss of Rick Majerus is really hurting SLU this year too. SLU just announced that Majerus will not be coming back any time to coach the Billikens. Jim Crews is the interim for this year and no decision on next year has been made yet. Many assume that if Crews gets this talented SLU team back to the NCAA tourney the interim title will be taken away.

As far as Chicago State I think it will be closer than most people think. Teams that haven't played as well sometimes sneak up on the Crusaders.

Chicago State  68
Valpo           76
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 21, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
For reasons not entirely known to me, the very fact that I know absolutely nothing about this year's version of the Chicago State Cougars leaves me feeling very afraid, bordering on paranoid.

Thanks to 2005-2007, the Chicago State name alone is no longer automatically synonymous with "cupcake".  Add to that Tracy Dildy, Horizon League alum at the helm, and I am cowering in fear, curled up in the fetal position.

I'm being figurative, but I'm not being sarcastic.  :o
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
Here's some stuff:

They're 1-3, only beating Concordia (Chicago).  They are D-III.

They lost by 30 at Kent.

They return one full-time starter and only 6 players overall.

Look out for Jeremy Robinson (the returning starter, 6-9), and maybe don't leave Matt Ross alone behind the 3-pt line, but that's all.

This is more than you anyone needed to know about our Cougar friends, probably, but now you know.

And as GI JOE would tell you, that's half the battle.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: truth219 on November 21, 2012, 06:11:58 PM
I don't think stl is our hardest opponent this season..I think its new mexico by a lot. They are a much better team and a tougher atmosphere. Just my opinion
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 21, 2012, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 06:02:03 PMThey're 1-3, only beating Concordia (Chicago).  They are D-III.

Don't forget that D-III Concordia-Chicago is the alma mater of our famous (infamous?) football coach Dale Carlson. It's also one of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod's colleges named Concordia. Concordia-Wisconsin, Concordia-Austin,TX, Concordia-Bronxville,NY etc.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 21, 2012, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 06:02:03 PM

They return one full-time starter and only 6 players overall.

They only dress 6 players?  Really?

I know that Chicago State often skimped as an athletic department, but number of players on the basketball team was not one of those areas of skimping.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 21, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 21, 2012, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 06:02:03 PM

They return one full-time starter and only 6 players overall.

They only dress 6 players?  Really?

I know that Chicago State often skimped as an athletic department, but number of players on the basketball team was not one of those areas of skimping.

I believe he meant only one starter and 6 total players returned from last season's team. Not that only 6 players dressed for the games. There must have been some new additions to the Chicago State team.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
They actually tried to return more players, but Wal-Mart said that the 90 days had expired.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vubballfan10 on November 21, 2012, 11:21:34 PM
Has anyone mentioned Chicago State and former UIC guard Corey Gray?  He has played 2 games at the ARC vs. Valparaiso.

February 8, 2010: 17 minutes, 5 points, 2 assists.
February 26, 2011: 20 minutes, 1 point, 3 assists.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 22, 2012, 01:14:14 AM
Quote from: bbtds on November 21, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 21, 2012, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 06:02:03 PM

They return one full-time starter and only 6 players overall.

They only dress 6 players?  Really?

I know that Chicago State often skimped as an athletic department, but number of players on the basketball team was not one of those areas of skimping.

I believe he meant only one starter and 6 total players returned from last season's team. Not that only 6 players dressed for the games. There must have been some new additions to the Chicago State team.

OK.  I remain as paranoid as ever.  Nice try, though.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vuweathernerd on November 22, 2012, 07:42:15 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
They actually tried to return more players, but Wal-Mart said that the 90 days had expired.

:clap: i lol'd
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: VUfan on November 22, 2012, 10:32:05 AM
VU 84 CSU 62 my only Game of the year....
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 22, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Reminder that basketball starts tomorrow at the ARC with Bethune-Cookman playing Nebraska-Omaha at 4:30 p.m. central time. I didn't see this advertised in Valpo anywhere. I don't think there will be many fans at the early games on Friday and Saturday. But as you know you can't attend the game if you don't know it's happening. I actually had to look on the Nebraska-Omaha website to make sure they were playing Bethune-Cookman and when they were playing. 
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Valpo2010 on November 22, 2012, 06:57:58 PM
NWITimes Gameday article...definately some good news about Bobby Caps...

"The 6-foot-10 junior transfer from Indiana had hernia surgery Nov. 8, one day before the season opener against Georgia Southern. He was expected to miss up to a month, but Drew said Capobianco has been participating in some practice drills and may even be able to make an appearance this weekend."

http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/article_43576375-9023-56b3-a440-bb68e71866dc.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/article_43576375-9023-56b3-a440-bb68e71866dc.html)
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: truth219 on November 22, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
Great news...need the big man back. Hope buggs is coming along too...
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Smj on November 22, 2012, 07:28:53 PM
Just don't want him to push it before we "need" him....    Will be nice to see him dressed though.   Last game Buggs sure played like he was not injured.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: FWalum on November 22, 2012, 09:16:42 PM
Wow, great news about Capo. I thought it was wishful thinking that he would be available for the IPFW game.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpotx on November 23, 2012, 01:43:24 AM
Holy crap, this would be huge for some of the games before Missouri State and Dority joining!
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vuweathernerd on November 23, 2012, 08:22:19 AM
to be completely honest, i hope we don't see capo at all this weekend because we'll be so far ahead that it won't make any sense to get him in. if it's somehow a tight game and we need him, i can live with it, but if we're up 20 or 30, i'd just as soon see him stay on the bench and not risk further injury. b/c we've got a tough stretch coming up after this weekend's slate.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: crusadermoe on November 23, 2012, 08:23:17 AM
I had circled UNO vs B-C on my calendar.       Wonder how many fans nationally did the same?    ;D
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 23, 2012, 09:15:19 AM
I did...until I realized it wasn't New Orleans vs. Boston College ;)
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Smj on November 23, 2012, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 23, 2012, 08:22:19 AM
to be completely honest, i hope we don't see capo at all this weekend because we'll be so far ahead that it won't make any sense to get him in. if it's somehow a tight game and we need him, i can live with it, but if we're up 20 or 30, i'd just as soon see him stay on the bench and not risk further injury. b/c we've got a tough stretch coming up after this weekend's slate.

I agree - i would rather not see him push too much because it could make his "full" recovery take longer.   
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: swiftmutiny on November 23, 2012, 09:58:07 AM
Excellent news, even if he doesn't play this weekend it's good that he's recovering quickly. He'll be a huge help against St. Louis on December 2nd.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: usc4valpo on November 23, 2012, 10:24:11 AM
In the 80', Chicago State was an NAIA powerhouse and they played some great hoop.  At that time, they were better that UIC, NIU and probably Northwestern (not Loyola or DePaul who during that time were at least very good).

Julian 'Al' Hudson, who played at Valpo from '79 to '81, transferred to Chicago State and played very well.  I think Valpo, as were several other teams, were scared to play those guys during the 80's.  Tom Smith would likely schedule some other sub division I ham-and-eggers.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Smj on November 23, 2012, 12:03:33 PM
Anyone know how i can watch or listen to the game tonight?

WVUR - has a banner on their streaming radio that says the game will not be available...
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vuweathernerd on November 23, 2012, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: Smj on November 23, 2012, 12:03:33 PM
Anyone know how i can watch or listen to the game tonight?

WVUR - has a banner on their streaming radio that says the game will not be available...

check the athletics page. they should (at least they usually do) have a link to whoever's streaming the game audio.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 23, 2012, 12:28:35 PM
They've got
http://streamdb3web.securenetsystems.net/v4/index.cfm?stationCallSign=WAKE&relocateURL=true (http://streamdb3web.securenetsystems.net/v4/index.cfm?stationCallSign=WAKE&relocateURL=true)
as usual.

The very similar
http://radio.securenetsystems.net/radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WAKE (http://radio.securenetsystems.net/radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WAKE)
sometimes works better for me.

The video's linked as well,
http://www.horizonleague.org/live/6858 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/6858)
for today
http://www.horizonleague.org/live/6859 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/6859)
for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 23, 2012, 02:41:28 PM
And for the most part, if you watch it on HLN, you'll get the radio call paired with it.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: talksalot on November 23, 2012, 04:03:13 PM
Here we are  22 minutes before the opening tip of the Valpo Pod in the Cipriano Tournament... the crowd has ballooned to 10 in the chairbacks... the excitement is building to a crescendo fever pitch...   as the triptophan sets in...
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 23, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 23, 2012, 04:03:13 PM
Here we are  22 minutes before the opening tip of the Valpo Pod in the Cipriano Tournament... the crowd has ballooned to 10 in the chairbacks... the excitement is building to a crescendo fever pitch...   as the triptophan sets in...

Shocked -- I say shocked -- am I that Bethune-Cookman and Omaha fans don't travel well.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: talksalot on November 23, 2012, 05:43:59 PM
OK... you be the ref... starting the second half, starting guard for UNO pulled something... after the coach put in the starting line up... but before we started play.... (there were about 10 seconds on the halftime clock)...you be the ref... what's the call??
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: Valpo89 on November 23, 2012, 06:57:10 PM
Since Oren  is on his way back from a sunny vacation, I'll post some twitter updates tonight. Not as prolific, but you can check it out @pjankValpo if you'd like.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: oklahomamick on November 23, 2012, 07:12:39 PM
Is there no video of the game???
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: crusadermoe on November 23, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Yeah.   What the hell is the problem?     The Horizon screeen doesn't move at all.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: atkins on November 23, 2012, 07:29:55 PM
We need to be much crisper at the beginning of games.  This is yet another sloppy game.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: crusadermoe on November 23, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
Anybody pulling up the video yet?    The Horizon League site indicates the game is LIVE right now.     But it just doesn't start up.   

Game Tracker showed that Bobby C. played a bit early in the game.   Would like to see that.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: oklahomamick on November 23, 2012, 07:47:03 PM
I haven't been able to get the video working......would like to see capobianco's first game.  He's halfway to a double-double.

I hope tomorrow's video will be working?  Any word on when that game will be? 
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valporun on November 23, 2012, 07:59:30 PM
Oklahomamick, we are hearing that HLN is having some streaming technical difficulties, but seems like they are really working on it, if we haven't had anything yet. Also, tomorrow's game is either at 4:30 (if we loss) or 7PM (if we win).
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on November 23, 2012, 08:18:43 PM
The game tomorrow will be at 7 PM CST.  Book it.

And you are all welcome to hang with FW, StL, and I in the chat on the main page toward the bottom.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: EddieCabot on November 23, 2012, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 23, 2012, 08:18:43 PM
The game tomorrow will be at 7 PM CST.  Book it.

And you are all welcome to hang with FW, StL, and I in the chat on the main page toward the bottom.

Book it.  Valpo blowing out Chi State and continuing to prove they are the class of the Horizon.  Look out, Bethune Cookman!
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vubballfan10 on November 23, 2012, 08:40:06 PM
This cannot go unnoticed.  Matt Kenney, 7 assists 0 turnovers.  I don't know why Will Bogan has been playing backup point guard when Kenney could have been doing it.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: HC on November 23, 2012, 09:22:00 PM
I was not at all impressed by our team tonight. But, it was a step in the right direction and it was great to see Capo playing physical. Get another one tomorrow as the team keeps improving for the big one next weekend.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: truth219 on November 23, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
Sure we won by 21 tonight, but this team was terrible. We looked sloppy. I'm not a big capo fan...be just doesn't impress me that much. Van wijk looked like crap tonight, but I think he might have been under the weather. He missed a lot of easy lay ups. Coleman looked awesome. He needs to start in bogans place. If we would have played anyone with some talent tonight we would have lost. We just can't get into a steady groove.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 23, 2012, 09:31:43 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 23, 2012, 05:43:59 PM
OK... you be the ref... starting the second half, starting guard for UNO pulled something... after the coach put in the starting line up... but before we started play.... (there were about 10 seconds on the halftime clock)...you be the ref... what's the call??
???

Hard to tell what the question is.  A little more information might be helpful.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: FWalum on November 23, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
Great that Matt had 7 assists, but don't think he has the chops to be the primary ball handler against good ball pressure. Matt has had the tendency in the past to commit to a move or pass that sometimes gets him in trouble.  Lets hope he continues to play like he did tonight because I think he currently leads the team in turnovers.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: FWalum on November 23, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: truth219 on November 23, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
Sure we won by 21 tonight, but this team was terrible. We looked sloppy. I'm not a big capo fan...be just doesn't impress me that much. Van wijk looked like crap tonight, but I think he might have been under the weather. He missed a lot of easy lay ups. Coleman looked awesome. He needs to start in bogans place. If we would have played anyone with some talent tonight we would have lost. We just can't get into a steady groove.
Not easy to get into a groove when you are playing everyone and also playing unusual line ups.  Not making excuses, but Bryce would not have had these types of substitutions in a game against a "talented" team.  You must be hard to please when it comes to Capo.  While I have not actually seen him play other than some old IU games and highlight type videos, it is hard to argue with the facts of what he has done in actual games.  Give him a break, he just came back from hernia surgery and ends up with a double double.  I expect that he will get better as he plays in some more games.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: EddieCabot on November 23, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
Nice convincing win tonight.  Tomorrow will be a much stiffer test as BC has some wins against D-I schools and nearly won at Kent.  With homecourt advantage and Capo back in the rotation, I expect a double-digit win tomorrow.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: HC on November 23, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Capo played well TONIGT. He was physical ad at times looked to be the only person interested in winning on Valpos team. He was always around the and in on the loose balls. Great effort by him, especially when you take into account his injury and long layoff.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 23, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 22, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
I don't think there will be many fans at the early games on Friday and Saturday.

I counted about 100 in the stands when I walked in, during the first half of the first game.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 23, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: HC on November 23, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Capo played well TONIGT. He was physical ad at times looked to be the only person interested in winning on Valpos team. He was always around the and in on the loose balls.

Coleman had a solid first half, in particular.  But I thought that Boggs, especially, played with a lot of heart tonight.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpopal on November 23, 2012, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: truth219 on November 23, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
Sure we won by 21 tonight, but this team was terrible. We looked sloppy. I'm not a big capo fan...be just doesn't impress me that much. Van wijk looked like crap tonight, but I think he might have been under the weather. He missed a lot of easy lay ups.

Capobianco had a double-double in only 17 minutes of play coming back early from surgery: Van Wijk had 12 points with 8 rebounds in only 16 minutes of play, and perhaps he was under the weather. They shot 43% from the field and 80% from the free throw line: combined they had 22 points and 19 rebounds in 33 minutes. Those are stellar stats. You recently also said you are not impressed by Ryan. You certainly seem hard to impress!
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: StlVUFan on November 23, 2012, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: truth219 on November 23, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
Sure we won by 21 tonight, but this team was terrible. We looked sloppy. I'm not a big capo fan...be just doesn't impress me that much.

You might be a little more convincing if you elaborated on just what it is about Bobby that doesn't impress you.

QuoteVan wijk looked like crap tonight, but I think he might have been under the weather. He missed a lot of easy lay ups.

Something like this might be a decent start.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valporun on November 23, 2012, 11:07:11 PM
Was Bobby really expected to do what he did tonight? I mean expectations were more to get out on the court and play, not be as productive as he was. Who is the last college or professional basketball player or athlete you know who has come back from hernia surgery to be this productive in a game?
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: HC on November 23, 2012, 11:19:16 PM
I would mostly agree Kevin didn't play well until the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpotx on November 23, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
You must be crazy if you are not impressed by Bobby after coming off of hernia surgery.  A double double in 17 minutes is awesome...
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: chef on November 24, 2012, 12:04:02 AM
Of course. The truth219 needs to come up with a new name, because his current one is very misleading.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: wh on November 24, 2012, 04:04:37 AM
Our RPI dropped from 61 to 97 after the win.  Nothing good has ever come from playing CSU.  For the greater good of college basketball CSU should do the honorable thing and fall on their sword.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: justducky on November 24, 2012, 06:15:27 AM
Quote from: wh on November 24, 2012, 04:04:37 AM
Our RPI dropped from 61 to 97 after the win.  Nothing good has ever come from playing CSU.  For the greater good of college basketball CSU should do the honorable thing and fall on their sword.
If we just would have contemptuously refused to take the court and forfeited our RPI might have risen.

I kept my word last night and stayed as far away from Chicaco St and the ARC as I possibly could, so tonight I will finally get a chance to see Bobby play. I am hopeing that he is not quite as bad as Truth219 says he is.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: vu84v2 on November 24, 2012, 07:33:07 AM
A win is a win and it is good that Capobianco played, but Valpo should never schedule and play Chicago State.  Chicago State, on multiple levels, is the worst D1 program in the country.  It is true that they should fall on their sword, but if people won't play them then they will have no choice but to leave D1.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 24, 2012, 09:08:52 AM
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/16585131-556/capobianco-well-worth-the-wait.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/16585131-556/capobianco-well-worth-the-wait.html)

Watch your number of story views if you don't already subscribe to the P-T. They are limited.

I believe the discontent with both Capobianco and Van Wijk is that they both missed what seemed to many fans to be easy "bunny" shots right under the basket. There seems to be a feeling that Valpo needs those "easy" baskets against tougher competition to win. I think you must look at the fact that many teams don't even get those so called "bunny" shots against Valpo.

And who wants to shoot bunnies anyway??  :P
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: historyman on November 24, 2012, 09:18:41 AM
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/valpo-tops-chicago-state-will-face-bethune-cookman-tonight/article_061c9999-87d4-58c9-9ba3-9ea5efc4f0a9.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/valpo-tops-chicago-state-will-face-bethune-cookman-tonight/article_061c9999-87d4-58c9-9ba3-9ea5efc4f0a9.html)
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpopal on November 24, 2012, 09:29:40 AM
Here are a few of the photos I took at the game:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/28v1c3.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/34940tk.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/20qnyn6.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/e5p4s1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpopal on November 24, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
For those of you wondering, Kevin played though he was very sick. I took a number of photos of him on the bench, and he looked like he was completely out of it much of the time. It is amazing he played as well as he did. This is a picture where Kevin looked about as well as he did all evening, and you can still see he is obviously feeling pretty ill:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/29dk0o0.jpg)


Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: oklahomamick on November 24, 2012, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 24, 2012, 07:33:07 AM
A win is a win and it is good that Capobianco played, but Valpo should never schedule and play Chicago State.  Chicago State, on multiple levels, is the worst D1 program in the country.  It is true that they should fall on their sword, but if people won't play them then they will have no choice but to leave D1.

I see Notre Dame has Chicago State on their schedule.....
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 24, 2012, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: bbtds on November 24, 2012, 09:08:52 AMI believe the discontent with both Capobianco and Van Wijk is that they both missed what seemed to many fans to be easy "bunny" shots right under the basket.

It was pretty painful to watch.  And KVW just didn't look good - looked a little disoriented - even on the sidelines he looked sort of... in a fog or a malaise or something.  I was relieved to hear that he was, indeed, not feeling well.

Some of it was missing close-in shots - never fun.  But some of it seemed to be shot and situation selection.  Sometimes, in a scrum, you just shouldn't go up for those shots.

KVW and Capo both got offensive boards out of this, and sometimes their persistence paid off.  (And, it was pretty amazing what shots Capo could sometimes get to land from _way_ under the basket).  But, they also often got sent home empty.

On the night KVW was 5/13 for 38.4%.  His worst shooting percentage (almost always two-point shots for KVW) since... Miami in the NIT.  And before that, more or less to a game against Milwaukee in January.  Well below his average, before Chicago State, of 59.4%.  Or his 61.7% clip last season.  A very rare performance.

Capo ended up 4/7.

The team was 19/42 or 45.2% from 2.  Again, well off their season average, before the game, of 53.5%.  Or last season's 55.2%.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 24, 2012, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: valpopal on November 24, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
For those of you wondering, Kevin played though he was very sick. I took a number of photos of him on the bench, and he looked like he was completely out of it much of the time. It is amazing he played as well as he did. This is a picture where Kevin looked about as well as he did all evening, and you can still see he is obviously feeling pretty ill:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/29dk0o0.jpg)


_Exactly_.

Quote from: agibson on November 24, 2012, 10:32:52 AMAnd KVW just didn't look good - looked a little disoriented - even on the sidelines he looked sort of... in a fog or a malaise or something.


Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 24, 2012, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: wh on November 24, 2012, 04:04:37 AMOur RPI dropped from 61 to 97 after the win.

I'm more amazed that our RPI rose as high as 61. On November 20, after the Kent State game, it was 109.  Our opponents must have had a couple of good games?
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: EddieCabot on November 24, 2012, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: valpopal on November 24, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
For those of you wondering, Kevin played though he was very sick. I took a number of photos of him on the bench, and he looked like he was completely out of it much of the time. It is amazing he played as well as he did.

The Post Trib article from Thursday mentioned that both Broekhoff and Fernandez were ill for the Kent State game.  Is it just me, or does it seem like Valpo is constantly dealing with guys being under the weather?  After the rash of illnesses that impacted the team at the end of last season, I hope Bryce made sure everyone got flu shots this fall.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 24, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: valpopal on November 24, 2012, 10:06:27 AM

(http://i50.tinypic.com/29dk0o0.jpg)

Kevin: I think I know how I got sick. I accidently used Ryan's mouthpeice and you know what Vashil ate before Ryan dropped it on Vashil's seat.

Matt:Oh my god! I saw Vashil putting some voodoo spell on that mouthpeice before the game. He was using a live chicken I heard.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpo4life on November 24, 2012, 12:55:51 PM
Based on the pictures it appears that there was a fairly good crowd last night, nice to see a solid turnout for a game over break!
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: valpotx on November 24, 2012, 01:34:06 PM
Against Chicago State, that is a pretty good crowd.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: HC on November 24, 2012, 01:44:41 PM
I was surprised by the good turnout. Hoping for more of the same tonight.
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: VULB#62 on November 24, 2012, 05:41:12 PM
Box score said 2477. Zat real or inflated?
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: bbtds on November 24, 2012, 06:04:21 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 24, 2012, 05:41:12 PM
Box score said 2477. Zat real or inflated?

Only the attendance fairy knows for sure. Do you count all the coaches? Do you count the vendors and staff people? Do you count the bus driver and the ball boys? Do you count the referees? Many of them watch the game way too much and swallow their whistles. I'm sure there is always a logical reason for coming up with the numbers for attendance that they do. Right?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
Title: Re: Chicago state game
Post by: agibson on November 24, 2012, 09:14:00 PM
I wonder if they count staff and families - they never scan our ID's, just sort of look at them.  They _might_ be using clickers, but I'm not convinced...

Definitely a bigger crowd last night.  The numbers might not have been too much inflated.  The lower bleachers might have been 80% full.