Good game to get rolling again...frustrations from Saturday, as well as revenge from earlier this year.
Rowdy has a nice night (18 & 13) and KVW dominates inside (26 points on 9-13 shooting)
Valpo wins 83-59.
With Averkamp and Payne questionable if not out (I haven't seen the latest on either of them to be honest), it looks like a shorthanded Loyola team we will face on Tuesday. I just hope we can learn our lessons from yesterday and start our end of season run in Chicago. Valpo 77, Loyola 68
Valpo by 2 dozen
I think we will win.... But Loyola knew how to play us last time so I sure hope we have a different game plan this time around.
(Wonder if we well see Coleman.)
Our #45 likes playing in front of their student section... the "Rowdies"... Valpo by 18...
If Averkamp if out as mentioned above, we should win by 15+. If my math is correct, as long as we beat Loyola and YSU, we will be the 1 seed. This is assuming that WSU and GB will finish #3 and #4, with who is where not an issue (YSU would be out of the picture with our win against them). Detroit split with both WSU and GB, so even if we lost to GB, we would hold the tie-breaker once we go to how each played against the #3, then #4. Once we get to how we did against WSU, we own the tie breaker. We should just win all 3 to be safe though ;).
Valpo 73
Loyola 61
(prediction with Averkamp)
Well, the trends for Game #26 and Game #27 of the season have continued. (we have now lost 6 straight "Game #27", each to a different HL Team... that was our first one at home... but...)
anyway, Game #28 over the past 20 seasons...
We are 8-0 at home, 4-1 on Neutral Sites (all Mid-Con Tournament games) and 4-3 in true road games. Losses @ Wright State in the Mid-Con eons ago, and losses @ Chicago State and @ Western Michigan's BRONCHOS in the BBuster We are 16-4 over the past 20 years...and we have WON 5 straight. (UIC, Akron, Youngstown State, Missouri State and Miami (OH).
The stars seem to be in alignment for a bounceback.
This is a critical game for us. I like our odds for the next 2 home games, but we REALLY need this one to take the pressure off the last game at GB. If we don't perform against Loyola, to get the #1 seed, we need to beat YSU at home, and GB at their place...much harder
Loyola looked horrible when they played another horrible team last week. I can't possibly see Valpo dropping this game.
Valpo 78 Loyola 60
Quote from: HC on February 17, 2013, 12:25:08 PM
Valpo by 2 dozen
but with our backups for the last several minutes. we need to win this one so that i can regain bragging rights in my family. my cousin's a freshman at loyola.
Valpo 78
Loyola 69
I'm not seeing much definitive on Averkamp and Payne.
They're mentioned at e.g.
http://www.loyolaramblers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021613aaa.html (http://www.loyolaramblers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021613aaa.html)
and
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-16/sports/ct-spt-0217-uic-loyola-basketball--20130217_1_uic-coach-howard-moore-gentile-arena-gary-talton (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-16/sports/ct-spt-0217-uic-loyola-basketball--20130217_1_uic-coach-howard-moore-gentile-arena-gary-talton)
Sounds like they both practiced the day before the game, and were last minute scrubs.
"Averkamp has been suffering from concussion symptoms while Payne is dealing a left thumb injury."
A concussion doesn't sound like something that should keep you out for too long...
Oh, and "he Ramblers were recharged by the return of Joe Crisman, who is arguably the team's best defender but had been forced to the sidelines the last five games because of an injury. "
Just win this one. Loss would be a disaster. Should be fine now that our rotation is more clear than in first game with them.
Quote from: agibson on February 18, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
I'm not seeing much definitive on Averkamp and Payne.
They're mentioned at e.g.
http://www.loyolaramblers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021613aaa.html (http://www.loyolaramblers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021613aaa.html)
and
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-16/sports/ct-spt-0217-uic-loyola-basketball--20130217_1_uic-coach-howard-moore-gentile-arena-gary-talton (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-16/sports/ct-spt-0217-uic-loyola-basketball--20130217_1_uic-coach-howard-moore-gentile-arena-gary-talton)
Sounds like they both practiced the day before the game, and were last minute scrubs.
"Averkamp has been suffering from concussion symptoms while Payne is dealing a left thumb injury."
A concussion doesn't sound like something that should keep you out for too long...
Oh, and "he Ramblers were recharged by the return of Joe Crisman, who is arguably the team's best defender but had been forced to the sidelines the last five games because of an injury. "
Tell Chris Kaman that concussion symptoms shouldn't keep you out a long period of time :). He is ticked off that he still hasn't been cleared to play, as it has been about 1 month now. It isn't to be messed with nowadays.
VU 68
Loyola 66
Paul
Quote from: valpotx on February 18, 2013, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: agibson on February 18, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
I'm not seeing much definitive on Averkamp and Payne.
They're mentioned at e.g.
http://www.loyolaramblers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021613aaa.html (http://www.loyolaramblers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021613aaa.html)
and
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-16/sports/ct-spt-0217-uic-loyola-basketball--20130217_1_uic-coach-howard-moore-gentile-arena-gary-talton (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-16/sports/ct-spt-0217-uic-loyola-basketball--20130217_1_uic-coach-howard-moore-gentile-arena-gary-talton)
Sounds like they both practiced the day before the game, and were last minute scrubs.
"Averkamp has been suffering from concussion symptoms while Payne is dealing a left thumb injury."
A concussion doesn't sound like something that should keep you out for too long...
Oh, and "he Ramblers were recharged by the return of Joe Crisman, who is arguably the team's best defender but had been forced to the sidelines the last five games because of an injury. "
Tell Chris Kaman that concussion symptoms shouldn't keep you out a long period of time :). He is ticked off that he still hasn't been cleared to play, as it has been about 1 month now. It isn't to be messed with nowadays.
I agree that since the former NFL players came out with their lawsuit because of all the studies that were made of the brains of former NFL players nobody takes a concussion lightly. Yes, before they might have but not anymore. I have a feeling the Loyola staff will keep Averkamp out until they are for sure he has totally recovered.
Quote from: valpotx on February 17, 2013, 05:58:29 PM
If Averkamp if out as mentioned above, we should win by 15+. If my math is correct, as long as we beat Loyola and YSU, we will be the 1 seed. This is assuming that WSU and GB will finish #3 and #4, with who is where not an issue (YSU would be out of the picture with our win against them). Detroit split with both WSU and GB, so even if we lost to GB, we would hold the tie-breaker once we go to how each played against the #3, then #4. Once we get to how we did against WSU, we own the tie breaker.
I believe you are correct, sir. The same kind of scenario can happen if we lose to YSU, but then they have a chance to participate with GB and WSU so that would muddy things up, though at 12 wins, that would mean we sweep GB and therefore even YSU would not be enough to give it to Detroit, and the next tiebreaker would most likely involve UIC and/or CSU, which would definitely break the tie in our favor.
In high school, you have to pass a "baseline test" or something like that before you can return to action. My niece plays for Boone Grove's high school team, and she missed a couple games after hitting her head diving into the bleachers. She missed the sectional because she didn't pass the concussion test, but she was cleared a week later for the regional. My son runs track and cross country, and they have to take a concussion test before the season even though it's not a contact sport. So I'm sure Division I athletes have to do something along the same lines.
What's the test?
The ImPACT (http://www.impacttest.com/ (http://www.impacttest.com/)) is currently one of the more widely used. A lot of colleges use it, as well as some pro leagues.
Quote from: a3uge on February 18, 2013, 12:34:22 AMLoyola looked horrible when they played another horrible team last week. I can't possibly see Valpo dropping this game. Valpo 78 Loyola 60
I thought Loyola was bad going into the conference season but they still managed to beat us at the ARC.
Speaking of the Tweety bird, Paul Oren chimed in ~20 minutes ago on Loyola. Payne is 29 MPG for Loyola. (Crisman, who missed ~5 games but recently returned, is 27. Averkamp is 33 and huge, of course.)
Presumably it'll be pretty hard to keep Averkamp out of the game.
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Paul Oren @NWIOren
Ben Averkamp is game-time decision. Averkamp had game-high 16 points and four blocks. Both big losses for Loyola, but Ramblers have adapted.
20 mins Paul Oren Paul Oren @NWIOren
On the injury front, Cully Payne is OUT for Loyola. Payne had 13 points, seven assists in Loyola's 63-54 win at the ARC on Jan. 4.
Actual headline and lead paragraph from valpoathletics.com with the game preview/notes
QuoteCrusader Men Return to Action Tuesday at Loyola
The Valparaiso men's basketball team looks to get back on the winning track Tuesday evening as the Crusaders make the short trip to Chicago to face Loyola at 7 p.m. Valpo maintains a half-game lead in the Horizon League standings with three league contests remaining. And, if you haven't seen it yet, check out the attached video to see the Valparaizone doing the Harlem Shake at last Saturday's game!
Maybe we'll get to see Valpo's Bill(y) Clark in this one--hasn't gotten a fraction of the fractional PT he got last year, but he did play in four games in a row before sitting out the last one!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/58489/bill-clark (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/58489/bill-clark)
I like Payne being out. Anything to increase our odds!
From the Post Tribune 2/18/13:
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18317352-556/mens-basketball-onward-and-upward-for-crusaders.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18317352-556/mens-basketball-onward-and-upward-for-crusaders.html)
Men's basketball: Onward and upward for Crusaders
By Michael Osipoff 648-3137 or mosipoff@post-trib.com February 18, 2013 7:42PM
Updated: February 18, 2013 10:32PM
VALPARAISO — It was talked about in the locker room after the game.
Film was watched during Sunday's practice, and it was discussed a little more. But by the time individual drills rolled around — shooting, ballhandling, moving without the ball, defending — it was purged from the system.
Such was the process for Valparaiso in the aftermath of its Saturday debacle against Detroit, ahead of its game against Loyola on Tuesday night at Gentile Arena.
"We're basically trying to let go and forget about the last game," Will Bogan said on Monday. "Don't let one loss turn into two. Let that one sting for the night, and then forget about it, and yesterday we came out with the mental approach of just preparing to beat Loyola."
Said Ryan Broekhoff: "We went over the Detroit game yesterday, and kind of left it there. We know what we did well, what we didn't do well, and we've kind of moved on from that game. It's over and done with. Whatever's happened happened, and we can't change things now. Let's move on to the next game, and let's start working towards the game on Tuesday, get focused, and get our body and our mind prepared."
The Crusaders (20-7, 10-3 Horizon League) still have the ability to control how the standings shake out. If they win their three remaining league games, they win the regular-season title outright, and host the league tournament. Even if they win two of those games, the worst they could do is tie with Detroit, and they hold the advantage in virtually every tiebreaker.
Naturally, they have every intention of winning out. And the stretch run begins against the Ramblers (14-12, 4-9).
"You don't ever wish that you lose during the season, but when it does happen, it's always a good thing when you have a quick turnaround, when you get to play again a couple days later," Bogan said. "It's just another opportunity to go out and play better than the game you did before, and erase the last one."
In the league opener for both teams, Loyola knocked off Valparaiso 63-54 on Jan. 2 at the ARC. The Crusaders shot 35.7 percent from the field, including 4-of-15 from 3-point range, and the Ramblers shot 46.8 percent.
Not that the Crusaders need any extra incentive or motivation, especially at this stage of the season, but ...
"We haven't forgotten, let's just put it like that," Bogan said. "We still remember that loss. While we're not focusing on it, it'll be in the back of our heads."
Said Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew: "If you're a competitor, any time that someone beats you, you'd like to play them again. Hopefully that will add something to our players. But it was a long time ago, and there were a lot of games in between. A lot's happened for them and us."
Loyola snapped a four-game losing streak with a 69-60 win against UIC on Saturday, doubling its win total from last season (7-23). The Ramblers, who have not won back-to-back games since Jan. 20 and 23 (at Chicago State, at Cleveland State), won despite being without leading scorer (15.6) and rebounder (6.5) Ben Averkamp and point guard Cully Payne (4.2 assists), though Munster graduate Joe Crisman did return after missing five games with a broken finger. The status of Averkamp, who sat out the last three games because of concussion symptoms, was uncertain; and Payne (left thumb) was expected to miss his second straight game.
"We're preparing like they're all going," Drew said. "If we get there and find out otherwise — they play extremely hard and they're executing very well, so regardless, they won last game without them, so they'll be prepared either way. And that's our goal — to prepare our guys either way."
Valparaiso has not lost back-to-back games this season, last losing two straight league games on Feb. 21 and 24, 2011 (at Green Bay, vs. Loyola). The Crusaders have won their last three games at Loyola.
"We never like to lose, and we never like to lose at home," Broekhoff said. "The position we're in right now, we still need to keep winning games. To achieve what we want to achieve, we need to continue to win and it starts on Tuesday."
Okay - hate saying this because I truly enjoy watching Ryan play. (I have said before that he is one of my favorite players since watching Bryce.)
however, I want to see a killer instinct from him for the rest of the session. We have seen him a few times start the game with an immediate 3-pointer. Later in games he sometimes waits too long for the game to come to him.
How about at least 6 times in this game if Ryan gets the ball on the way up the court he just steps up behind our screener for a spot up 3 - no passing just take it...
Quote from: Smj on February 19, 2013, 10:09:01 AM
Okay - hate saying this because I truly enjoy watching Ryan play. (I have said before that he is one of my favorite players since watching Bryce.)
however, I want to see a killer instinct from him for the rest of the session. We have seen him a few times start the game with an immediate 3-pointer. Later in games he sometimes waits too long for the game to come to him.
How about at least 6 times in this game if Ryan gets the ball on the way up the court he just steps up behind our screener for a spot up 3 - no passing just take it...
Did you miss the Wright State game in January, or are you only talking about the past few games?
Vegas has Valpo -6.
According to today's newspaper reports, Erik and the rest of the team have picked themselves up off the floor and are focused on Loyola. Let's hope everyone can move forward with the game tonight and follow the example of the young lady below, so we again find reasons to stand and cheer. In the meantime, if you want a look back at the highlights (and lowlights) against Detroit, I have added about 65 of my new photos from the game to Valpo Basketball Photography, where there are now about 350 pictures: http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
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http://photography226.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/erik-rowdy-lavonte.jpg?w=774&h=437 (http://photography226.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/erik-rowdy-lavonte.jpg?w=774&h=437)
I'm not sure that's LaVonte, is it? Looks like maybe Keith Carter?
Love your pics, as always.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 19, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
http://photography226.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/erik-rowdy-lavonte.jpg?w=774&h=437 (http://photography226.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/erik-rowdy-lavonte.jpg?w=774&h=437)
I'm not sure that's LaVonte, is it? Looks like maybe Keith Carter?
Love your pics, as always.
Thanks, I have corrected that mis-labelled picture. Glad you like the photos!
Quote from: valpopal on February 19, 2013, 12:03:46 PMQuote from: StlVUFan on February 19, 2013, 11:46:50 AMhttp://photography226.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/erik-rowdy-lavonte.jpg?w=774&h=437 (http://photography226.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/erik-rowdy-lavonte.jpg?w=774&h=437) I'm not sure that's LaVonte, is it? Looks like maybe Keith Carter? Love your pics, as always.
Thanks, I have corrected that mis-labelled picture. Glad you like the photos!
The photos are great and I always play the "Can I find myself in them" game.
Quote from: valpopal on February 19, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
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anyone know who Rapture Guy is in the center? that's...that's epic.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 19, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 19, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/n3stxc.jpg)
anyone know who Rapture Guy is in the center? that's...that's epic.
My guess is that he is not truth219, but he sure looks like someone who has just heard The Truth.
there were some retweets of stuff the players had tweeted after the game saturday night and sunday, and i've gotta say - i love the mentality. the one i saw about buggs was that he allowed himself until midnight to deal with the detroit game, but at midnight put it aside and started to focus on loyola. hopefully he wasn't the only one.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 19, 2013, 03:29:16 PM
there were some retweets of stuff the players had tweeted after the game saturday night and sunday, and i've gotta say - i love the mentality. the one i saw about buggs was that he allowed himself until midnight to deal with the detroit game, but at midnight put it aside and started to focus on loyola. hopefully he wasn't the only one.
Not sure how I feel about Dority sitting all night long in a dark room, but at least he's got an intelligent assessment of his own play.
payne and averkamp both sitting tonight, according to osipoff on twitter.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 19, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
payne and averkamp both sitting tonight, according to osipoff on twitter.
We need to blow them out early and not let the other kids think they have a chance for the upset.
wow, that could be crucial for us!
anyone else drawing a literal blank when trying to get "gameday video and chat" to appear/load?
edit: now NOTHING is working for me...not the HLN ("coming soon!"), CBS gamecast ("grayest of screens!") and now ESPN gamecast is frozen ("Loyola up 2-0 for eternity!")
grr...maybe it's just me.
No problems here. I'm going through the HL website and HLN.
well i tried Chrome and that seems to be working. Safari wasn't doing this for me.
I've noted that my Mac never embarrasses me until someone else is watching.
Anyone seen lies219 around here tonight? I guess he shows up when Cool Ranch is 1-8, but disappears when he is shooting 75%.
That guy standing in the ball cap gives a mean haircut!
I really like the play by play guy on HLN tonight,
good first half, shooting high percentage from behind 3 point line. Had several but would like to see more entry passes. So far Vegas was off with -6 and owes me some money.
Wow, Loyola 8-0 run with the ball
I don't like our zone defense, they penetrate the lane too easy.
Excellent first half, ugly second...a win, road win...11-3
Dority is hopeless and will never be a point guard. I hate when a guard only shoots 80% from the floor and has a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio.
Quote from: HC on February 19, 2013, 07:49:43 PMI really like the play by play guy on HLN tonight
A baker's dozen!
Yes, I too will try to accentuate the positives of this Road W as I am sure the negatives will be sufficiently addressed. Maybe a BB tuneup is what we need this year!
Hey, an 18 point swing from the last game: Lost by nine at home/won by nine on the road.
Good game from Willbo. Made some heart attack shots down the stretch.
A balanced attack tonight! Everyone who played scored at least 6 while four made it to double figures
They survived the run! I'm sure as much as we felt "oh no, not again" in our stomachs, the players felt it much more and yet they were able to bend...and bend...and bend, but didn't break. Hey, optimistically, maybe if Detroit's big run and our scoring drought were in the early minutes of the second half the fellas might have had time to pull that one out as well...maybe...
Nice turnout from CrusaderNation tonight, looked like there were just as many Valpo fans as Rambler fans with a modest hyperbole added. Nevertheless, it's good to know that the events of Saturday haven't scared off the fans.
Either way, next game is a new game. For now, they got the W and that's what counts.
Phew. Couple of milestones... we are now 26-26 all time in Regular Season HL games. (6-1 on the road so far). Overall, We are 9-5 on the road this year.... and I can't find a season where we have more true road wins. 97-98 we had 9 wins... and we may have to go back to the 1920s to have more... some homework for someone between now and March 2nd at the Resch Center.
We passed the 2,000 point mark for the season (2,004). We hit the 2,000 mark in 20 of the past 21 years. We are only 68 points away from 151,000!
Interesting to see Ryan attempt some more challenging shots than his usually hyper efficient game. Some more challenging shots while slashing to the lane, etc. I think I don't mind it, even if it lowers his FG%, but interesting to think what might be going through his mind, or the coaching staff's.
His rebounding numbers were a little better, but it really feels like something's changed there too.
Somehow I can't quite shake it... Maybe a 25-10 performance against YSU would do the trick ;) (Or even against Eastern Kentucky.)
"Cool ranch" looked good against "loyola"
Here we go....despite all the guff you got in the Detroit thread, you're back for me.
Get him boys.
It looked bad in the second half, but Kenney stepped up with some key shots. He always seems to make them when it matters
Quote from: agibson on February 19, 2013, 09:07:20 PMQuote from: HC on Today at 07:49:43 PM
I really like the play by play guy on HLN tonight
A baker's dozen!
"(insert name here) got hacked going up for the basket. hacked!"
Quote from: letsgovu on February 19, 2013, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 19, 2013, 09:07:20 PMQuote from: HC on Today at 07:49:43 PM
I really like the play by play guy on HLN tonight
A baker's dozen!
"(insert name here) got hacked going up for the basket. hacked!"
He loses points (big points) for never saying Bobby's last name correctly. However, he mostly lost his bonus points from earlier in the game when he used "slalom" as a verb multiple times
Quote from: KL31NY on February 19, 2013, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: letsgovu on February 19, 2013, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 19, 2013, 09:07:20 PMQuote from: HC on Today at 07:49:43 PM
I really like the play by play guy on HLN tonight
A baker's dozen!
"(insert name here) got hacked going up for the basket. hacked!"
He loses points (big points) for never saying Bobby's last name correctly. However, he mostly lost his bonus points from earlier in the game when he used "slalom" as a verb multiple times
My favorite line was "loose for the deuce"
While I'm no Dority basher, he certainly was making me have second thoughts about what kind of player he is for us. But after tonight, I think I can see that he can be efficient and will be ready to handle the point guard spot for us by next year pretty solidly. This was a much needed win tonight to try to get some wind back in our sails.
Quote from: valpotx on February 19, 2013, 10:10:29 PM
It looked bad in the second half, but Kenney stepped up with some key shots. He always seems to make them when it matters
And Bogan hit some key shots down the stretch as well. He has really stepped up his game. As long as he doesn't have to be the backup point....
Don't forget that Buggs was 1-1 from 3 point and 3-4 for free throws. He shot the ball well.
There's a lot of red flags going off when a team for the second straight game blows a 15 point lead in the second half (rather quickly at that). Valpo has the talent... KVW is the most physical player in the Horizon and has this weird ability to score under the hoop without even being capable of dunking a tennis ball. Ryan can take over games and can win games both on offense and defense. Buggs has shut down NBA caliber scorers the past couple years in Norris Cole, Isaiah Canaan, and MacCallum. Kenney has played with these guys for 4 years and has stepped in and won games where Broekhoff couldn't.
I don't understand how this core can be so out of sync, make so many stupid mistakes, and turn the ball over so often. Last year Valpo turned the ball over 14.1 times per game, which was bad. This year they're even worse at 14.7. How can a team with this much experience and chemistry turn the ball over THAT much and go into these horrible slumps where we can't even get a decent shot off? Tonight Valpo only committed 10 turnovers compared to Loyola's 9, but 8 or 9 of Valpo's turnovers came in the second half. There were some pretty pathetic turnovers too, like Kenney's travel, the pass to Bryce, and the moving screen. I'm okay with turnovers that are caused by forcing in a pass to KWV, but not a flipping moving screen or a Cory Johnson-style travel. Be somewhere in the range of the Grinnell College system and Bo Ryan's boring Wisconsin offense.
Some positives to keep me off the ledge...
I thought Bogan had a great game. Capo played better than KWV down the stretch. He's been a great addition this year. Dority played infinitely better than he has the past couple games. He only forced one NBA-style pullup shot from the free throw line. Overall the team shot very well. Buggs made a dagger three. The game was essentially over right there, but the game ended up closer due to the never-ending stream of tick-tack fouls under the basket. I know I complained about turnovers, but if you take away the time Broekhoff got mugged going to the basket which was ruled out of bounds, 9-10 turnovers isn't that bad.
Dority with 22 min playing time and a solid game. Bryce knows that he needs a backup point guard if we are going to make a run so glad to see he gave him the minutes. Where was Coleman? Another game where he did not sniff the court.
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 20, 2013, 05:54:11 AMWhere was Coleman? Another game where he did not sniff the court.
It seems to be a disciplinary-type issue, and this is simply how Bryce is choosing to handle it. We'll see how it plays out (or doesn't play, given the circumstance)...
It seemed like we had so many more turnovers than 10. I guess that is because it was just about all during the stretch in the second half. We have quite a few positive assist to turnover games since HL play started
On a few occasions Broekhoff drove to the basket and put up a shot that didn't come close, except to the front of the rim but no where near going in the basket. Those kind of disturbed me a bit. I realize on a few of those shots it certainly looked like Ryan was fouled but on others he wasn't fouled at all. Was Rowdy just not measuring his distance to the basket correctly?
What is happening to our POY?
It almost seems as if he is ill.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 19, 2013, 06:46:20 PMQuote from: vuweathernerd on February 19, 2013, 06:34:19 PMpayne and averkamp both sitting tonight, according to osipoff on twitter.
We need to blow them out early and not let the other kids think they have a chance for the upset.
Well, Valpo did blow them out, somewhat, early but of course the Crusaders now have a knack for letting the opposing team get back in the game in the 2nd half. It sure gives me high blood pressure until the game is decided. ::)
So I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
So I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
Against Loyola, it was basically trading the mythical "hot hand;" They erased a 15-point deficit in first 9 minutes of the 2nd half because they could score and we did not (Valpo made one basket during that string). Then we scored on 11 straight possessions, got the lead back in double figures, and it was pretty safe the rest of the way.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
So I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
you are officially required to listen to every game from here on out. no more jinxing by changing the channel for you! ;)
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 20, 2013, 03:47:41 PMQuote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 02:13:53 PMSo I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
you are officially required to listen to every game from here on out. no more jinxing by changing the channel for you! ;)
Even the home games? Because I'm already at those... but I guess I could stream WAKE in the ARC!
Quote from: KL31NY on February 20, 2013, 02:48:48 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
So I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
Against Loyola, it was basically trading the mythical "hot hand;" They erased a 15-point deficit in first 9 minutes of the 2nd half because they could score and we did not (Valpo made one basket during that string). Then we scored on 11 straight possessions, got the lead back in double figures, and it was pretty safe the rest of the way.
Yes, the way it went is that Valpo slowed down a lot on scoring and started that dreaded turnover game. Loyola on the other hand was as hot as they were at the end of the first half. At the same time as Loyola was hot in the first half Valpo was also shooting red hot (especially Bogan & Kenney-they really had some great offensive games). Therefore Loyola did not make up much ground in the first half but they shot just as well as they did in the beginning of the second half.
Then Valpo turned the tide by working both inside and getting a hot shooting hand again. Also it should never be forgotten that Buggs really ignites that offense with his speed and excellent ball handling. Also Dority kept up the great play when Buggs went out.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 20, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
So I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
you are officially required to listen to every game from here on out. no more jinxing by changing the channel for you! ;)
I believe that I warned you on chat that the result would be on your head. You almost lost it for us.... :)
So I'm not sure how accurate the PBP from ESPN is, but this is what the players who were on the court did during Loyola's 19-4 run.
| Ben Boggs | 2 TO, 2 PF |
| Bobby Capobianco | 1 Reb |
| Erik Buggs | 0-2 FG, 1 Reb, 1 Ast, 1 TO |
| LaVonte Dority | 1 PF |
| Kevin Van Wijk | 0-1 FG, 1-2 FT, 1 PF |
| Matt Kenney | 0-1 FG, 2 Reb, 1 Stl, 1 Blk, 1 TO, 1 PF |
| Ryan Broekhoff | 0-3 FG, 1 Reb, 1 PF |
| Will Bogan | 1-3 FG |
Now I'm not sure which one of these stat lines were so impressive (maybe Kenney's stat filling line?) to keep Coleman on the bench, or what Coleman could have done off the court (if it is actually disciplinary, which both beats have said it's not), but it seems ridiculous you couldn't shake things up and bring in one of the better shooters and more active players on the team. I was extremely impressed with how Coleman played against UIC and Youngstown, it's mindboggling to me why he can't see some action.
that's what makes me think "in-house" (i.e. Bryce keeping it to himself) disciplinary.
OR
we could just take it at face value and Bryce is figuring out who he's going to roll with in the postseason and it means a bigger lineup.
Since rolling with 8 players is wise when we always have foul trouble
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 04:25:20 PMI was extremely impressed with how Coleman played against UIC and Youngstown, it's mindboggling to me why he can't see some action.
I am not too surprised that his minutes would fall in this difficult stretch of the season, but I too was not expecting him to disappear. I would like to think he could get a little playing time vs EK and maybe a significant amount vs YSU. If he doesn't then we are almost forced to conclude that there is some kind of health or doghouse issue.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
So I'm not sure how accurate the PBP from ESPN is, but this is what the players who were on the court did during Loyola's 19-4 run.
| Ben Boggs | 2 TO, 2 PF |
| Bobby Capobianco | 1 Reb |
| Erik Buggs | 0-2 FG, 1 Reb, 1 Ast, 1 TO |
| LaVonte Dority | 1 PF |
| Kevin Van Wijk | 0-1 FG, 1-2 FT, 1 PF |
| Matt Kenney | 0-1 FG, 2 Reb, 1 Stl, 1 Blk, 1 TO, 1 PF |
| Ryan Broekhoff | 0-3 FG, 1 Reb, 1 PF |
| Will Bogan | 1-3 FG |
Now I'm not sure which one of these stat lines were so impressive (maybe Kenney's stat filling line?) to keep Coleman on the bench, or what Coleman could have done off the court (if it is actually disciplinary, which both beats have said it's not), but it seems ridiculous you couldn't shake things up and bring in one of the better shooters and more active players on the team. I was extremely impressed with how Coleman played against UIC and Youngstown, it's mindboggling to me why he can't see some action.
I think we are missing the larger point. The Detroit and Loyola comebacks were far more about terrible Valpo defense than inept Valpo offense. Without checking for accuracy, we gave up an amazing 58 points to Detroit in the 2nd half, and followed that up with an even more ridiculous 49 points against an offensively challenged Loyola team minus 2 starters. We were constantly beaten off the dribble for easy hoops or out of position fouls. Our zone was porous and slow to react. How many times did Loyola throw the ball underneath to someone totally unguarded, followed by that "who should have had him" deer in the headlight look by our interior defenders? Could Minerath have been more wide open for free throw line jump shots? Loyola killed us on the offensive boards possession after possession because we didn't make the effort to block out. We looked tired, confused, and slow. The effort was not there - plain and simple. Neither game should have been close, despite the offensive lapses. The old expression that good offense begins with good defense works the other way, as well. Bad defense translates into bad offense. This team needs to rededicate itself to playing 40 minutes of hard-nosed, in-your-face defense, and quick looking at the scoreboard to determine how much effort to give. The fact that this is an issue nearly 30 games into the season on a talented, experienced team that is supposedly on a mission defies any logic.
I think I nominated someone prior to this for post of the year.
This is the second nominee.
(are they both wh?)
Quote from: valpotx on February 20, 2013, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 20, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
So I listened to the first half and started to watch the Blackhawks game after we went into the half with a 15 point lead. I followed the game on twitter until I saw it was tied. Started listening to the game again and they went on their run to raise the lead back up to 12. Looking at the PBP it appears that we only allowed 2 points off TOs in the second half and that was after we had built the lead back up to 10. It's concerning that its happened twice in a row, but I'm hoping it's more of a fluke than a trend.
you are officially required to listen to every game from here on out. no more jinxing by changing the channel for you! ;)
I believe that I warned you on chat that the result would be on your head. You almost lost it for us.... :)
Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons. :) so I'm safe.
I keep telling you, close also counts in Drive-In movies.
and halitosis
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 20, 2013, 08:10:40 PM
I think I nominated someone prior to this for post of the year.
This is the second nominee.
(are they both wh?)
I think the first was one of mine.
Don't know if this has been posted yet or not...a post-game wrap-up from the Chicago Tribune. Including a video clip from Bryce's post game press conference.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0220-loyola-basketball--20130220,0,6785818.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0220-loyola-basketball--20130220,0,6785818.story)
Ah - hadn't seen the video. But, it was good to see that Loyola got two "beat" stories from their perspective, as we did.
OK.. I'll throw some kudo's to Ben Averkamp... Today he was named Loyola's first Academic All American for men's basketball. That's a heckuvan accomplishment...