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Title: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: agibson on March 21, 2013, 05:10:58 PM
So, where do we put the general NCAA chatter?

I only caught snatches of the Valpo game so far - enough to be a bit disappointed, for sure.

But, did I just see the end of the Davidson game correctly?  They had it completely won, and gave it away by throwing a 3/4 court pass out of bounds?  When it probably would have been enough to do... anything except turning it over?  Heck, just hurling the ball up towards the ceiling could almost have been enough.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valporun on March 21, 2013, 09:38:07 PM
Yeah, Davidson tried to get cute against the Big East champs, and it bit them bad. That was an incredible finish. What a weird day, as Southern almost upset Gonzaga.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: VULB#62 on March 22, 2013, 06:27:54 AM
#14 Hahvid over #3 New Mexico.   :o  Ran a 4 guard offense, led most of the way and according to the ESPN article played with great composure.  Cited the fact that being there last year (though losing in the 1st round) was a contributing factor to their composure.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valpotx on March 22, 2013, 10:06:27 AM
At least we didn't play like Montana and Akron yesterday  :o
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: Valposter on March 22, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Agreed.  Unfortunately, we played more like Montana and Akron than Harvard and Davidson.  We looked tight, scared, and tentative.  The stage was too big.  They should have been playing loose with nothing to lose, but for whatever reason it just didn't happen. 
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valporun on March 22, 2013, 12:51:33 PM
I don't think we were as tight or scared, as others seem to feel. If we were tight or scared, we would have had more than 7 turnovers for the game. We just didn't make our shots. MSU also took away the inside, or strongly defended the inside so we couldn't get layups to fall. To me, that isn't tight or scared, just defensed better than we saw most of the season.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: Valposter on March 22, 2013, 01:03:57 PM
Some examples of why I thought we looked tight:  air ball by Ryan, poor shooting by Ryan on open looks, several missed layups by Kevin and others, missing open shots and passing up open shots throughout game.  Most national game recaps reference a theme of how good a shooting team Valpo is and how we repeatedly missed many makeable shots because we seemed to play tight.  Watching the game I really did get that sense.  I think the more shots we missed the more we pressed overall.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: a3uge on March 23, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
Fan Trips in Background of San Diego State vs Oklahoma NCAA Tournament Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NmMxTvc_Fw#ws)

Was watching the San Diego State vs Oklahoma game last night... Thought something wasn't right when San Diego State was shooting a free throw and rewound to find this gem.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on March 23, 2013, 08:43:37 PM
Priceless.  Thanks for sharing.

(Poor b------d.)
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: wh on March 29, 2013, 09:25:42 PM
Amazing comeback O.T. win by Michigan over Kansas.  Chesterton's McGary was a monster - 25 pts and 14 rebounds.  I know he's a year behind Zeller, but he looks like he has more potential to excel at the next level.  Zeller was clearly intimidated last night and looked weak trying to finish against big players.  McGary is like a man-child who isn't intimidated by anyone.  Just curious what anyone else thought.  Things are kind of slow right now.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on March 30, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
LOL to your last sentence.

McGary has really grown up in this tournament.  At the risk of seeming like a poor sport, I'd love to ask what ValpoSpartan thinks now that his team is home for the Holydays. :)

He had trouble defending Jeff Withey, but so have a lot of people.  Note that Beilein was still subbing for him in endgame offense/defense situations.

Beilein a good Catholic btw.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valporun on March 31, 2013, 10:49:42 AM
Another one who has grown in this tournament is Fred Van Vleet for Wichita State. His confidence has shown leadership and better ball control, as a freshman. He's only 5'11", but he's starting to show why he led his high school to 3rd place in Illinois Class 4A. He can lead a team to a spot no one expected him to, and now he's helped WSU get to the Final Four. He's playing his best basketball right now...when it really counts! Hope we have a guy like that next season who will take charge like that.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on March 31, 2013, 11:43:44 AM
He is obviously vleet of foot, and he beat Aaron at his own craft.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valpo04 on March 31, 2013, 06:38:09 PM
Trying to figure out why the court in Indy had a Horizon League logo at one end and but a IUPUI logo at the other  ???
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: HC on March 31, 2013, 07:30:32 PM
The HL and IUPUI were the hosts for the weekend.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valpo04 on March 31, 2013, 07:37:16 PM
Quote from: HC on March 31, 2013, 07:30:32 PM
The HL and IUPUI were the hosts for the weekend.

Huh, I always thought they had a school within the conference "host".
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: HC on March 31, 2013, 07:41:35 PM
Looks like Butler was also a host.
http://www.marchmadnessaction.com/schedule.php (http://www.marchmadnessaction.com/schedule.php)
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: vusupporter on April 01, 2013, 10:51:13 AM
Butler and the Horizon League were originally scheduled to co-host.  When Butler left the league, they asked to be released from their hosting obligations so that they would be able to be in the Indianapolis regional (a school is not allowed to play at a site at which it is hosting).  At that point, IUPUI stepped in as co-host.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valpopal on April 02, 2013, 12:46:17 AM
Andy Enfield strikes while the iron is hot, accepts offer from USC:

http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040113aaa.html (http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040113aaa.html)

Meanwhile, Texas Tech hires Tubby Smith:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/21990473/texas-tech-hires-tubby-smith-as-basketball-coach (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/21990473/texas-tech-hires-tubby-smith-as-basketball-coach)
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: FWalum on April 02, 2013, 09:06:37 AM
Listening to Enfield's resume he struck me as someone much more likely to take the quick payday vs someone like Stevens.  Of course he was making chicken feed at FGCU and did not have all the money that was first reported in the media from the software company he "founded".
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: setshot on April 02, 2013, 01:13:31 PM
With Alford going to UCLA,New Mexico has lost its Indiana connection. Like NC State a few years ago,why Valpo? Game cancelled. Book it! :'(
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: FWalum on April 02, 2013, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: setshot on April 02, 2013, 01:13:31 PM
With Alford going to UCLA,New Mexico has lost its Indiana connection. Like NC State a few years ago,why Valpo? Game cancelled. Book it! :'(
Wow, I can't believe I am saying this, but setshot may very well be right on this one.   :o
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valpotx on April 02, 2013, 03:16:54 PM
I would have to think that we put in some clause that they actually would play at the ARC no matter what?  If I were making the schedule and I lost the NC State game a few years ago, I would make sure that is put into any paperwork...or a MUCH higher buyout than we got from them
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: historyman on April 02, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: valpotx on April 02, 2013, 03:16:54 PMI would have to think that we put in some clause that they actually would play at the ARC no matter what?  If I were making the schedule and I lost the NC State game a few years ago, I would make sure that is put into any paperwork...or a MUCH higher buyout than we got from them

I'm sure if NM didn't get a reasonable buyout clause they wouldn't have signed the contract. NM had most of the leverage at the time the contract was negotiated.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: wh on April 06, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
How did Indiana, Purdue and Notre Dame let McGary and Robinson III get away?  Those guys are studs.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on April 06, 2013, 10:53:23 PM
don't forget Albrecht--two YOOGE threes in the first half.

i don't think we should be talking about letting anybody get away to michigan when zack novak.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on April 08, 2013, 08:50:47 PM
SPIKE freaking ALBRECHT PEOPLE

SPIKE ALBRECHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...

oh well.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valporun on April 09, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
I think I'll get more excited about Spike Albrecht when he is more a focus of the offense. He was a first half "flash in the pan" with his 17 points that became rim clankers in the second half, as he went scoreless from the break to the end of the game.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
...

he scored 17 points in a half. 

in the national championship game.

that's enough for anyone's resume.

if i had the time, i'd make a list of people who haven't even scored 17 points in the final four, but I don't have the time.

maybe i could save time and make a list of "people who scored ten times their season average in half of a national championship game".

here you go:

SPIKE ALBRECHT.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: FWalum on April 09, 2013, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: valporun on April 09, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
I think I'll get more excited about Spike Albrecht when he is more a focus of the offense. He was a first half "flash in the pan" with his 17 points that became rim clankers in the second half, as he went scoreless from the break to the end of the game.
Enjoyed seeing Spike play like he did last night, but have to agree with valporun.  Lets see how he does running the point next season without Burke.  Who knows, he may not even be the starter with the arrival of Derrick Walton.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 12:07:48 PM
Who said he was going to start?  No one expects him to.

Then again, no one expected him to be playing D1 basketball, especially in the best conference in the country, backing up the Player of the Year?

You people are :censored: ridiculous.  What more do you want from a kid?

He made his first NINE three-pointers in the tournament, a couple of which were closer to the half-court line than the 3-point line.  How many people have done that?  (one who hasn't:  ryan broekhoff, who made precisely one of his first nine attempts.)

People like you make me ill.  People like you watch Hoosiers and complain that "all Ollie did was make a couple foul shots.  Let's see what he does next year when Jimmy graduates".

Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: valpo04 on April 09, 2013, 12:34:26 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 12:07:48 PM
Who said he was going to start?  No one expects him to.

Then again, no one expected him to be playing D1 basketball, especially in the best conference in the country, backing up the Player of the Year?

You people are :censored: ridiculous.  What more do you want from a kid?

He made his first NINE three-pointers in the tournament, a couple of which were closer to the half-court line than the 3-point line.  How many people have done that?  (one who hasn't:  ryan broekhoff, who made precisely one of his first nine attempts.)

People like you make me ill.  People like you watch Hoosiers and complain that "all Ollie did was make a couple foul shots.  Let's see what he does next year when Jimmy graduates".



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Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 02:54:03 PM
maybe not that upset, but come on!  If Michigan had won--and we would have if the refs had called a good game--then Spike Albrecht would not just be the talk of the nation, he'd be an all-time NCAA legend along with the Keith Smarts, Mario Chalmerses, and Ron Mercers (or KC Joneses, if you're setshot, Udonis Haslems if you're not :)) of the world.  Even so he still will never have to pick up a bar tab in the state of Michigan at least.  (In a year or so, that is.)

So we're going to run him down because he 'only' shot 6-9 for the night, and only 4-5 from three?  I'll tell you what--he has 23 more points in the Final Four than any VU player ever had or will.

FW at least should know better, because I thought he was a coach, and so should know that every phenomenally successful team has at least one Spike on it somewhere.  I'm sure people ragged on Jeremy Lin too ('where was this effort before? ... well he can't keep it up'), just like people rag on Tebow, or any other decent story we too-rarely get in sport in this day and age.  If this were truth219 I would understand, at least.  But "this is why we can't have nice things".
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: FWalum on April 09, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 02:54:03 PM
maybe not that upset, but come on!  If Michigan had won--and we would have if the refs had called a good game--then Spike Albrecht would not just be the talk of the nation, he'd be an all-time NCAA legend along with the Keith Smarts, Mario Chalmerses, and Ron Mercers (or KC Joneses, if you're setshot, Udonis Haslems if you're not :)) of the world.  Even so he still will never have to pick up a bar tab in the state of Michigan at least.  (In a year or so, that is.)

So we're going to run him down because he 'only' shot 6-9 for the night, and only 4-5 from three?  I'll tell you what--he has 23 more points in the Final Four than any VU player ever had or will.

FW at least should know better, because I thought he was a coach, and so should know that every phenomenally successful team has at least one Spike on it somewhere.  I'm sure people ragged on Jeremy Lin too ('where was this effort before? ... well he can't keep it up'), just like people rag on Tebow, or any other decent story we too-rarely get in sport in this day and age.  If this were truth219 I would understand, at least.  But "this is why we can't have nice things".
What are you talking about?  No one from what I can see is running him down.... It was really great to watch that first half, the kid was amazing and must have that intangible "it" factor that you can't see watching highlight videos or a bunch of AAU games.  I almost lament the fact that so much of the game today seems to come down to who has the most NBA ready players.  It was a treat to see two guys not deemed to be super athletic or "the consensus player of the year" light up the scoreboard.  And because of that "talent" expectation all I said was next year he will have to battle for a position despite his performance in the tournament. 

It seems like you have been paying attention to some of my posts so you should know that I am about the last person to rag on players or coaches.

Just for the record, I like Tim Tebow and think that all he does is win, he seems to have that "it" factor.  What the Jets have done to him is terrible.


Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: bbtds on April 09, 2013, 03:44:47 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 12:07:48 PMPeople like you make me ill.  People like you watch Hoosiers and complain that "all Ollie did was make a couple foul shots.  Let's see what he does next year when Jimmy graduates".

You ever notice they never made a Hoosiers 2.

Coach Dale and Myra marry and he moves to Jasper to be the Wildcats coach. Coach Shooter takes over at Hickory and fights the demons from the whiskey bottle. Once again Ollie comes back to make 2 underhanded free throws to save Hickory from defeat in the playoffs. A new champion moves to town, Zac Efron, who has to fight everybody in town to win a spot on the team, even though there are only about 60 boys in the whole school. Efron leads his rag tag team of fundementally sound run 'em off the floor team to the state championship game where they lose to a incredible athletic Attucks team lead by Oscar Robertson, played by Denzel's son, Malcolm Washington.

(http://www.philebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/macolmwashinton.jpg)

(http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/0/08/OscarRobertson_Bucks.jpg)


Ray Crowe plays his real role in real life as coach of Crispus Attucks. 
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: VULB#62 on April 10, 2013, 06:41:11 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
...

he scored 17 points in a half. 

in the national championship game.

that's enough for anyone's resume.

if i had the time, i'd make a list of people who haven't even scored 17 points in the final four, but I don't have the time.

maybe i could save time and make a list of "people who scored ten times their season average in half of a national championship game".

here you go:

SPIKE ALBRECHT.

AND NOW HE"S HITTING ON KATE UPTON!!!!

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/04/09/spike-albrecht-capitalizes-on-newfound-fame-hits-on-kate-upton/?utm_source=taboola (http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/04/09/spike-albrecht-capitalizes-on-newfound-fame-hits-on-kate-upton/?utm_source=taboola)

Gotta hand it to him in terms of taste.

Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: vu72 on April 10, 2013, 07:23:50 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 02:54:03 PM
maybe not that upset, but come on!  If Michigan had won--and we would have if the refs had called a good game--then Spike Albrecht would not just be the talk of the nation, he'd be an all-time NCAA legend along with the Keith Smarts, Mario Chalmerses, and Ron Mercers (or KC Joneses, if you're setshot, Udonis Haslems if you're not :)) of the world.  Even so he still will never have to pick up a bar tab in the state of Michigan at least.  (In a year or so, that is.)

So we're going to run him down because he 'only' shot 6-9 for the night, and only 4-5 from three?  I'll tell you what--he has 23 more points in the Final Four than any VU player ever had or will.

FW at least should know better, because I thought he was a coach, and so should know that every phenomenally successful team has at least one Spike on it somewhere.  I'm sure people ragged on Jeremy Lin too ('where was this effort before? ... well he can't keep it up'), just like people rag on Tebow, or any other decent story we too-rarely get in sport in this day and age.  If this were truth219 I would understand, at least.  But "this is why we can't have nice things".

Not sure where the "rage" is coming from but it's not becoming.  FWalum is one of our most thougthtful posters.
Title: Re: 2013 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on April 11, 2013, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: vu72 on April 10, 2013, 07:23:50 PMNot sure where the "rage" is coming from but it's not becoming.
...says the guy who's famous for blowing his stack at people on here

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