If bryce does leave, which isn't out of the question, who would get the job? Personally, I hope it wouldn't be luke gore. Here is my list of a few hopefuls...yes its far fetched but oh well
1. Roger powell jr
2. Bruce pearl lol I know dream on
3. Anyone besides gore
Id like to hear other possibilites
I would think option 1 would be the only option
I would think it would be:
1) Roger Powell
2) Greg Tonagel
3) Jake Diebler (long shot)
If diebler got the job, a few players would jump ship imo
IMO if anyone but Roger Powell (from current staff) or a decent name is brought in we'd lose a lot of that incoming class.
Its fairly obvious he is the reason we got most of em. Luke and Jake just don't bring "recruiting power" to the table as an HC
As much as I think Gore helps our team, he definitely does not have the energy and several other factors needed to be a successful D-1 head coach.
Greg Tonagel.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 22, 2013, 12:55:45 PMGreg Tonagel.
Professional or personal opinion?
Obviously there is a succession plan in place, per MLB's statement a year ago.
(hey speaking of a year ago, i joined a year ago today! huzzah.)
Yes ML did say they were interested in a successor plan ala that other nameless school, but, if Bryce leaves don't you think he would take some of his staff with him like Scott took Mark Morefield and others? I would think he would want Roger Powell and probably others who have worked with him for a long time. I suspect a national search would be undertaken.
Quote from: vu72 on March 22, 2013, 04:16:22 PMI would think he would want Roger Powell
I would think he would too. But I would also think that Roger Powell, if he has any aspirations of having his own program, would rather try the now-vacant first chair out than go sit in another second chair, no matter how much nicer it is than that in which he now sits.
Roger Powell is a no-brainer. Valpo would be going backward if the other guys mentioned were hired (except, of course, Truth's fantasy pick). If the new guys assimilate quickly as a team, I can certainly see Bryce sticking around to see them graduate. It might well be a special team in a couple of years. I actually am more worried about losing Roger Powell, whose ceiling may well be higher than Drew because of Powell's outstanding recruiting skills.
Tim "Pink" Floyd
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2013, 08:52:03 PMI actually am more worried about losing Roger Powell, whose ceiling may well be higher than Drew because of Powell's outstanding recruiting skills.
I think there's every chance that Bryce stays longer than Roger.
Roger Powell would be my first choice.
Others to interview:
Jeff Battle - Wake Asst and primary recruiter of the top guys since Prosser.
Pat Kelsey - head Coach at Winthrop.
Wes Miller - HC at UNCG
Ivan Vujic
Quote from: valpo84 on March 22, 2013, 11:48:05 PM
Roger Powell would be my first choice.
Others to interview:
Jeff Battle - Wake Asst and primary recruiter of the top guys since Prosser.
Pat Kelsey - head Coach at Winthrop.
Wes Miller - HC at UNCG
Ivan Vujic
Greg Tonagel? Does he qualify as "one to interview?" Or do we ignore the head coach (not an asst) that came from the Valpo family?
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 22, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Greg Tonagel.
Greg is a very good coach, but in my opinion would need to first be an assistant at the D1 level for a little while before taking over a team at Valpo's level. At IPFW you might get away with going straight from NAIA to D1 but not here.
I would like to think that Mark would go the national search route. My preference would be an assistant ready to move up and be a head coach, and preferably from a BCS program. Of course that person needs to fit the Valpo profile for coaches that ML feels is important. Valpo should be an attractive job for that sort of candidate. A team with a background of success over the last several decades, a highly respected academic institution, and an institution with a president and AD who are committed to upgrading facilities. I don't see where we have that person on staff right now. Roger Powell has done a great job and is a tremendous recruiter, but, I think he has only been an assistant coach for something like two years at Valpo? If so, is that a long enough period of time for him to learn all the duties, tasks, and responsibilities required of a head coach? Would very much like for him to be retained though if that would be possible in this "Bryce leaving" scenario. Bill Donlon has done well as the Wright State head coach, and if memory serves me correctly he was an assistant at Florida under HC Bill Donovan. I just don't think we should limit ourselves in any search, we should bring in the best coach who is a "fit" at Valpo. Having a succession plan in place is great, but it seems it would work best if you have an assistant who has proved his mettle over some period of time, and with different responsibilities as he grew in his job. Of course salary also would be an issue, and that might work against my suggestion of attracting a BCS level assistant. My guess is they might already be making some good coin where they are, though I have no idea what assistant's earn nor what Valpo would offer.
Quote from: vufan75 on March 23, 2013, 08:59:52 AMMy preference would be an assistant ready to move up and be a head coach, and preferably from a BCS program.
Indeed--FGCU did that down here with FSU's Andy Enfield, and even though I suspect they hired him for his wife, it's paid off pretty nicely.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 23, 2013, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: vufan75 on March 23, 2013, 08:59:52 AMMy preference would be an assistant ready to move up and be a head coach, and preferably from a BCS program.
Indeed--FGCU did that down here with FSU's Andy Enfield, and even though I suspect they hired him for his wife, it's paid off pretty nicely.
Can we schedule FGCU for a visit to the ARC and hope Enfield brings his wife? ::) For those who aren't familiar with her, meet Andy's wife:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/know-amanda-marcum-enfield-supermodel-wife-fgcu-coach-031048393--ncaab.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/know-amanda-marcum-enfield-supermodel-wife-fgcu-coach-031048393--ncaab.html)
Is Bryce married? Why doesn't he have a super model wife? Gets no respect because of that damn astronaut.
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
Is Bryce married? Why doesn't he have a super model wife? Gets no respect because of that damn astronaut.
Bryce's wife is from Jackson,MS and has one of the most interesting backgrounds for a coach's wife. Mrs. Bryce Drew is the former, Tara Thibodeaux. She was an Atlanta Hawks cheerleader and met Bryce during his time with the Hornets. Her father, Keith Thibodeaux, was the actor who played "Little Ricky" on the "I Love Lucy" TV show with Desi Arnez and Lucille Ball.
Here's Tara with Bryce in this Drew family picture taken in Bryce's office in the basketball wing of the ARC.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0223/ncb_drew_family_576.jpg)
Here is a website dedicated to "Little Ricky" Keith Thibodeaux (then known as Richard Keith):
http://tropicananightclub.tripod.com/littlericky.html (http://tropicananightclub.tripod.com/littlericky.html)
A few thoughts - If I was a gambling man, I'd bet Bryce is back next season. Billy Donlon was never a BCS assistant. Thus he never worked at Florida. He had been an assistant for Brad Brownell at both UNC-Wilmington and Wright State. Greg Tonagel will be a great D-I coach someday.
Quote from: chef on March 23, 2013, 03:06:44 PMIf I was a gambling man, I'd bet Bryce is back next season.
best news of the week. huzzah.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 22, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Greg Tonagel.
Choices...
1.Greg Tonagel
2. Other people not named Greg Tonagel
I'd like to get somebody here who values the program and will stick around longer than a year or two. Somebody with no ties to the program is just going to look at Valpo as a stepping stone to a payday. Maybe Greg fits that mold, but I certainly don't get that impression.
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 23, 2013, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 22, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Greg Tonagel.
Choices...
1.Greg Tonagel
2. Other people not named Greg Tonagel
I'd like to get somebody here who values the program and will stick around longer than a year or two. Somebody with no ties to the program is just going to look at Valpo as a stepping stone to a payday. Maybe Greg fits that mold, but I certainly don't get that impression.
Coach Tonagel's Indiana Wesleyan team finished 7th in the nation in the NAIA. I think that is pretty darn good. Yes, it is NAIA, but just like the NCAA there are varying levels of play in the NAIA and Greg has brought his Wildcats to the top level of play in that division. That says a lot about Tonagel as a coach. I also agree with milan that Tonagel views Valpo as an ultimate destination, not a stepping stone to a better payday. Greg sees Valpo as a place he would be happy at. I remember seeing him at a game when Valpo played at Ball State a few years back, Marion is not far from Muncie, and you could tell despite being the coach at Indiana Wesleyan Greg was very much into cheering for Valpo, his alma mater.
http://www.iwuwildcats.com/sport/0/6.php (http://www.iwuwildcats.com/sport/0/6.php)
http://www.iwuwildcats.com/article/3096.php (http://www.iwuwildcats.com/article/3096.php)
Tonagel was named the Coach of the Year for the fourth time with the previous times coming in 2006, 2007, and 2011.
Quote from: chef on March 23, 2013, 03:06:44 PM
If I was a gambling man.
That is the most ironic "if" I've ever seen in my life.
Why Tonagel? We need someone with Div. 1 experience.
Bryce will stay anyway.
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
Is Bryce married? Why doesn't he have a super model wife? Gets no respect because of that damn astronaut.
Hilarious!!!!!! Lol. ;D
A Louisville assistant got the umkc job
I am sure we could get a better pool of candidates than they do
Quote from: jimdandy on March 24, 2013, 11:33:24 AM
A Louisville assistant got the umkc job
I am sure we could get a better pool of candidates than they do
Yes, but as was mentioned previously, Valpo would, IF Bryce were to ever accept another offer, need a head coach that thinks of Valpo as a destination and has loyalty to Valpo.
Do you think that Louisville asst really cares anything about UMKC or does he see the job as a stepping stone to a bigger program?
Why would Valpo want an asst coach from the Big Six conferences, like this Louisville asst, unless he has ties to Valpo? You know he will jump at a better offer if he is successful at UMKC. I just don't feel Valpo is looking for this kind of coach. Valpo wants the Homer Drews of the world that like to stay in one place where they are appreciated and bring that program along a path that pushes that school up the ladder of success. I think Greg Tonagel, from nearby LaPorte, of all places, is exactly that kind of coach. Greg also has a deep faith that is evident in his reason for attending Valpo in the first place and the reason he chose Indiana Wesleyan as the place he would stay for a while as head coach despite it's being in Div. II of the NAIA.
Quote from: vufan75 on March 23, 2013, 08:59:52 AMBill Donlon has done well as the Wright State head coach, and if memory serves me correctly he was an assistant at Florida under HC Bill Donovan.
Whoops. My bad in not checking deeper with my example of Donlan. I thought I had read or seen that he had been at Florida. Sorry for that piece of misinformation. However, I will stick to my point of IF (and there seems to be a question as to whether Bryce would leave now or not) Bryce did move to a higher profile conference or school, that my preference would certainly include seriously looking at major program assistants who might be ready for a head coaching job. I have nothing against Greg Tonagel in terms of him being a head coach, he is a wonderful person and good coach. Someone I think mentioned they would like to see him first as an assistant at a D1 program. He certainly "fits" in well at Valpo for many reasons. Regarding Valpo looking for another Homer Drew in terms of loyalty and staying at Valpo for years, IMO will be pretty hard to find these days. Homer was special and one of a kind in that regard, staying at Valpo for many reasons despite having several opportunities to move on during his career. Many coaches do move around a lot, some of them are very into moving up the ladder, with an eye toward a head coaching job somewhere, while others are comfortable and trusted as an assistant to a particular head coach who might move to what he thinks is a better opportunity and more $$. Of course there is no guarantee that a BCS type high major assistant will bring continued or even greater success to Valpo. Many have tried and for whatever reason it has not worked out. Even a very successful program and coach like Duke and Coach K. have had a number of assistant's move on to head coaching jobs, with mixed results. Salary expectations might be another issue to consider with any potential replacements as well.
I personally hope that Bryce stays for a long time, and brings continued success to the university and basketball program. Overall, he has done a great job as head coach these past 2 years, and I look forward to him raising the program to an even higher level. GO VALPO!
Does anyone remember what schools were after Homer, and if anyone made official offers?
Drake
Quote from: bbtds on March 24, 2013, 12:27:30 PMQuote from: jimdandy on March 24, 2013, 11:33:24 AMA Louisville assistant got the umkc job I am sure we could get a better pool of candidates than they do
Yes, but as was mentioned previously, Valpo would, IF Bryce were to ever accept another offer, need a head coach that thinks of Valpo as a destination and has loyalty to Valpo. Do you think that Louisville asst really cares anything about UMKC or does he see the job as a stepping stone to a bigger program? Why would Valpo want an asst coach from the Big Six conferences, like this Louisville asst, unless he has ties to Valpo? You know he will jump at a better offer if he is successful at UMKC. I just don't feel Valpo is looking for this kind of coach. Valpo wants the Homer Drews of the world that like to stay in one place where they are appreciated and bring that program along a path that pushes that school up the ladder of success. I think Greg Tonagel, from nearby LaPorte, of all places, is exactly that kind of coach. Greg also has a deep faith that is evident in his reason for attending Valpo in the first place and the reason he chose Indiana Wesleyan as the place he would stay for a while as head coach despite it's being in Div. II of the NAIA.
No. In Division I, you need to produce. Loyalty is nice, but you need to produce. At DePaul, they let Joey Meyer coach for 14 years and watch the program deteriorate to what it is today. You need loyal people but people who can do the job. Also, suppose Tonagel is successful - do you think he would look at other suitors for better opportunities. Of course he would, just like any of us.
Tonagel is coaching at Div 2 NAIA - at this day and age, I feel he is not ready to coach at Valpo.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 24, 2013, 02:33:51 PMAt DePaul, they let Joey Meyer coach for 14 years and watch the program deteriorate to what it is today.
It seems that the answer to that was simple. If Joey Meyer at DePaul or Greg Tonegal, if he were to be given the Valpo head coaching job, do not live up to the standards as a head coach that were expected of them when they were hired then they must be let go and replaced. Who knows why Joey Meyer was not replaced earlier than the 14 years he spent at DePaul. I would suspect that his father, Ray Meyer, had a lot to do with it. I don't think even Homer Drew or Bryce Drew would have be given 14 years to be successful. If any coach does not live up to their expectations given at the time they were hired that coach should be fired and a replacement found.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 24, 2013, 02:33:51 PMTonagel is coaching at Div 2 NAIA - at this day and age, I feel he is not ready to coach at Valpo.
Okay, maybe Greg Tonegal should be hired as a Valpo asst coach now so that he can be part of the succession plan in place. His salary might have to be increased to the level he's making at Indiana Wesleyan or near that level.
Quote from: valpotx on March 24, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Does anyone remember what schools were after Homer, and if anyone made official offers?
If I recall correctly, I believe St. Louis showed significant interest and may have also made an offer. I remember that many of us felt if Homer was going to leave VU that might be the one program he would leave for given he is a native of St. Louis.
I think it's obvious!!! Dana gets the job next!
Quote from: vurich on March 24, 2013, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 24, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Does anyone remember what schools were after Homer, and if anyone made official offers?
If I recall correctly, I believe St. Louis showed significant interest and may have also made an offer. I remember that many of us felt if Homer was going to leave VU that might be the one program he would leave for given he is a native of St. Louis.
Bryce's name has also come up on the SLU board as a potential replacement for Crews if he doesn't return. bbtds is active on that board, so he can probably share his insight.
Quote from: cmack on March 24, 2013, 05:51:12 PMI think it's obvious!!! Dana gets the job next!
Bring back Tom Smith and that incredible 36-34 win over UWGB in 1984! Wow, those were some brilliant coaching moments back then.
Quote from: cmack on March 24, 2013, 05:51:12 PMI think it's obvious!!! Dana gets the job next!
Brilliant :thumbsup:
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 24, 2013, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: vurich on March 24, 2013, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 24, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Does anyone remember what schools were after Homer, and if anyone made official offers?
If I recall correctly, I believe St. Louis showed significant interest and may have also made an offer. I remember that many of us felt if Homer was going to leave VU that might be the one program he would leave for given he is a native of St. Louis.
Bryce's name has also come up on the SLU board as a potential replacement for Crews if he doesn't return. bbtds is active on that board, so he can probably share his insight.
I think I convinced them that SLU is not the "right" place for Bryce as head coach. SLU is in a big struggle over whether their president, Father Lawrence Biondi, who hired Rick Majerus on the recommendation of a donor by the name of Chaifetz (yes, they named their arena after him and he supposedly paid most of Majerus' large salary) should be retained as president. President Biondi has made huge improvements to the SLU campus in midtown St. Louis that have really helped SLU progress as a school but recently the faculty senate group, or whatever they call it, gave him a no confidence vote because they say he rules with an iron fist and it's Biondi's way or the highway. Subsequently the faculty feel that Father Biondi has driven many of the highly paid respected faculty away and that has hurt the school's academic reputation. The law school dean at SLU recently resigned due to his relationship with Father Biondi.
I'm not sure Bryce wants to walk into a situation like that and is supposedly the reason Jim Crews has not made a committment to continue to coach at SLU by taking the head coaching position. Crews' official position is that he would not talk about the head coaching position during the season so that it would not distract the players. The situation with SLU's president must effect how Crews feels about taking the head coaching job permanently.
Majerus was known to have some run ins with Father Biondi but Rick said he learned to deal with it and wouldn't leave because of Biondi. It was rumored that Biondi cancelled some flights and made the team take the bus due to the high costs of flying a team. Biondi couldn't see the importance of the basketball team over other SLU groups that had their expense accounts cut. Biondi would do these kinds of things without consulting the coach, AD or others in the athletic department.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 24, 2013, 06:16:42 PMBring back Tom Smith and that incredible 36-34 win over UWGB in 1984! Wow, those were some brilliant coaching moments back then.
I thought the Dana Drew Shaw line was the line of the night until this one.
Also, I read bbtds' long thread being like "wow! bbtds is on the board of SLU? wow! must be loaded! but he's always been really fair-minded and pro-Valpo!"
...and then i realized, board, not BOARD. sigh.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 24, 2013, 08:34:50 PMQuote from: usc4valpo on March 24, 2013, 06:16:42 PMBring back Tom Smith and that incredible 36-34 win over UWGB in 1984! Wow, those were some brilliant coaching moments back then.
I thought the Dana Drew Shaw line was the line of the night until this one. Also, I read bbtds' long thread being like "wow! bbtds is on the board of SLU? wow! must be loaded! but he's always been really fair-minded and pro-Valpo!" ...and then i realized, board, not BOARD. sigh.
I was there during the infamous 1983-84 year where they were going to turn it around. The slogan was "next year is here," where the Messiah Rob Harden had his temper fit and fleed to Reno because he did not get his way. It was a sad season, and it was amongst the worst coaching I have ever seen. The talent was not adequate, but the coaching was brutally worse. I was surprised Tom Smith lasted 8 years. I guess he could not make it in Div. 1.
Guys, take it easy on Bryce and the timeouts. It can be much worse.
Ben Howland is now available, since he was just fired by UCLA. Seriously, the most interesting note in the article about Howland's firing is the following: "The Bruins will now, according to sources, target high-profile coaches such as Butler's Brad Stevens and VCU's Shaka Smart."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21940447/official-ucla-fires-howland- (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21940447/official-ucla-fires-howland-)
Some predictions on who gets the job at UCLA or USC:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21940454/coaching-predictions-where-do-ucla-usc-turn (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21940454/coaching-predictions-where-do-ucla-usc-turn)
I think UCLA AD Dan Guerrero is targetting Chaka Smart.
Now UCLA and USC are looking for new coaches. I wonder if the Beach and Loyola Marymount are next....
They can bring in Phil Jackson, Will Ferrell, Ryan Seacrest, Lindsay Lohan, ....
I don't see Stevens leaving Butler for UCLA. It's a constant pressure cooker environment for a HC, and you don't get to make your name synonymous with the school (it will most likely always be Wooden's school). He can make great money in this new Big East, and make his name the same as Few/Gonzaga, Coach K/Duke, etc.
Haven't seen Dan Dakich's name surface in this discussion... He's from the Region. Knows Indy HS hoops. I'll duck as the shoes fly at me....
Quote from: valpo84 on March 24, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Haven't seen Dan Dakich's name surface in this discussion... He's from the Region. Knows Indy HS hoops. I'll duck as the shoes fly at me....
Dan Dakich's son played for Zionsville over the past few years so it obvious that Dan lives in Zionsville now. zville, what do you know about Dan Dakich's son's time at Zionsville and what influence has Dakich had over the Zionsville basketball program. I would think that Dan Dakich and his son might be a package deal to which ever program is willing to take them both.
Quote from: bbtds on March 25, 2013, 05:31:01 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on March 24, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Haven't seen Dan Dakich's name surface in this discussion... He's from the Region. Knows Indy HS hoops. I'll duck as the shoes fly at me....
Dan Dakich's son played for Zionsville over the past few years so it obvious that Dan lives in Zionsville now. zville, what do you know about Dan Dakich's son's time at Zionsville and what influence has Dakich had over the Zionsville basketball program. I would think that Dan Dakich and his son might be a package deal to which ever program is willing to take them both.
I have zero inside information. Dan's son did play for Zionsville, but don't believe Dan was involved with the program beyond being a supportive parent. Andrew has had interest from mid-major type schools and has preferred walk-on offers from Purdue and Butler.
As for coaching, Dan has repeatedly said on his radio show that he enjoys what he's doing and doesn't currently have an interest in coaching. That's all I got.
I would think there would be only one job left for Brad Stevens, and it is currently occupied by a d***head egomaniac who has the candy stripers on the verge of a Final Four.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 24, 2013, 10:01:50 PMNow UCLA and USC are looking for new coaches. I wonder if the Beach and Loyola Marymount are next....
They can bring in Phil Jackson, Will Ferrell
Will Ferrell! Why didn't I think of that? He has all of the qualifications. Media and news connections? He used to be an "anchorman". Basketball experience? He was a "semi-pro" player, coach, and general manager.
A guy like that might actually try to bring Northwest Indiana into the ARC and expand VUs now limited and quite narrow fan base.
How about this scenario: Stevens goes to UCLA, Bryce takes over Butler. :)
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
How about this scenario: Stevens goes to UCLA, Bryce takes over Butler. :)
Not funny.
Quote from: vu72 on March 25, 2013, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
How about this scenario: Stevens goes to UCLA, Bryce takes over Butler. :)
Not funny.
Oh come on, 72. I know you at least grinned.
who is the egomaniac??
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:59:02 PMQuote from: vu72 on March 25, 2013, 01:57:23 PMQuote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:52:39 PMHow about this scenario: Stevens goes to UCLA, Bryce takes over Butler. :)
Not funny.
Oh come on, 72. I know you at least grinned.
Bryce is not goig anywhere.
But perhaps he does pursue Northwestern or another school. Could it be to try to get more power or clout from the VU administration? Could VU counteroffer with a higher salary? Could VU counteroffer with assurance of improved facilities, better travel budget, nicer office desk, daily steak and eggs for breakfast, etc.?
Minnesota is now open too...I am sure there are plenty more to follow...
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2013, 02:27:29 PMBut perhaps he does pursue Northwestern or another school. Could it be to try to get more power or clout from the VU administration?
Many people think that's what Mississippi State was last year...can't go to that well every spring.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:59:02 PMQuote from: vu72 on March 25, 2013, 01:57:23 PMQuote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:52:39 PMHow about this scenario: Stevens goes to UCLA, Bryce takes over Butler. :)
Not funny.
Oh come on, 72. I know you at least grinned.
Bryce is not goig anywhere.
But perhaps he does pursue Northwestern or another school. Could it be to try to get more power or clout from the VU administration? Could VU counteroffer with a higher salary? Could VU counteroffer with assurance of improved facilities, better travel budget, nicer office desk, daily steak and eggs for breakfast, etc.?
Speaking of improved facilities, here we are well into 2013 and still waiting for a specific ARC improvement/enhancement initiative to be announced. I have said this numerous times -
the VU men's basketball program is living on borrowed time. Homer and Scott were successful
in spite of a complete lack of support to improve facilities by the former VU administration (both Harre and Steinbrecher). They turned a deaf ear to repeated pleas by Homer to do something. I know this for a fact.
The current administration - well, they have talked a good game since day-1, but the reality is they completely ignored the ARC situation for the first 5 years in favor of other "more pressing" facility issues around campus. More recently, we have learned that there is some sort of nebulous plan to maybe do something sometime. No specifics, no timeline, no fundraising initiative - nothing that would indicate that ARC improvements are anywhere in the immediate future. The university continues to have its cake and eat it too relative to a successful men's bb program, but if Bryce leaves and his replacement doesn't have the reputation and standing that the Drews have built over time to be able to overcome the "facilities disadvantage," this basketball program is in danger of falling right off the table into mediocrity. If that happens, it could take years to recover, if ever.
I would be concerned about Roger Powell moving on. His recruiting ability in the Illinois is already very good and will only improve. He is bringing in some serious talent next season....and might have had a hand in Dority transfering in.
This spring will be an interesting one for VU. If Bryce is going to leave, it will be this year or it will be down the road a few years. He maximized this year's talent for a HL championship and while VU didnt advance in the NCAA, he carries a great reputation and would be considered at higher levels. If he is still here May 15th, count on him being here a few years.
Greg Tonagel has accomplished quite a bit at IWU. At some point NAIA coaches must decide to roll the dice and advance to the rough and tumble world of D1 with all it's problems or settle in for a 35 year career and 800 career wins. He has an outstanding recruiting class incoming including 6'6" Nate Bubash of Munster and 6'7" Lane Mahouran of Rockville and despite losing some talented seniors...his cupboard is seldom unstocked. The Crossroads is probably the best NAIA conference in the country...dont sell him short for only being "NAIA D2", the man can coach. VU would be very fortunate to have him at the helm. He is a true gentleman and outstanding coach.
lowposter
Quote from: wh on March 25, 2013, 04:00:55 PMimprove facilities
I hate to turn this into another facilities thread. But, somehow, I've completely failed to internalize the facilities drum beat that we hear around here. And, it seems, around much of the college basketball world.
At VU we're talking mostly about the fan experience? Some kind of an attractive arena, better fan experience, better restrooms, concessions, some skyboxes or similar, that sort of thing? To attract more, or higher paying fans? And to look good for recruits at the same time?
Or, are practice facilities, and other athlete and team support facilities, considered inadequate?
Quote from: agibson on March 25, 2013, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: wh on March 25, 2013, 04:00:55 PMimprove facilities
I hate to turn this into another facilities thread. But, somehow, I've completely failed to internalize the facilities drum beat that we hear around here. And, it seems, around much of the college basketball world.
At VU we're talking mostly about the fan experience? Some kind of an attractive arena, better fan experience, better restrooms, concessions, some skyboxes or similar, that sort of thing? To attract more, or higher paying fans? And to look good for recruits at the same time?
Or, are practice facilities, and other athlete and team support facilities, considered inadequate?
Well, I'll put it this way...without Butler's improvements to Hinkle, Rotnei Clark doesn't transfer. It's not just speculation, it was in an interview with Brad Stevens and Rotnei. How different would Butler look without Clarke?
Question: If Valpo gets rid of football, will they have more capital to improve facilities and enhance the program? Or does non-scholarship football bring revenue to the school. I have to ask. Can Valpo provide both expensive sports and be at a higher level?
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2013, 06:47:23 PM
Question: If Valpo gets rid of football, will they have more capital to improve facilities and enhance the program? Or does non-scholarship football bring revenue to the school. I have to ask. Can Valpo provide both expensive sports and be at a higher level?
I suspect that Valpo football brings revenue to the school. Every player is paying their own way...for the experience of D1 football. ::)
Quote from: wh on March 25, 2013, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:59:02 PMQuote from: vu72 on March 25, 2013, 01:57:23 PMQuote from: Valpo89 on March 25, 2013, 01:52:39 PMHow about this scenario: Stevens goes to UCLA, Bryce takes over Butler. :)
Not funny.
Oh come on, 72. I know you at least grinned.
Bryce is not going anywhere.
But perhaps he does pursue Northwestern or another school. Could it be to try to get more power or clout from the VU administration? Could VU counteroffer with a higher salary? Could VU counteroffer with assurance of improved facilities, better travel budget, nicer office desk, daily steak and eggs for breakfast, etc.?
Speaking of improved facilities, here we are well into 2013 and still waiting for a specific ARC improvement/enhancement initiative to be announced. I have said this numerous times - the VU men's basketball program is living on borrowed time. Homer and Scott were successful in spite of a complete lack of support to improve facilities by the former VU administration (both Harre and Steinbrecher). They turned a deaf ear to repeated pleas by Homer to do something. I know this for a fact.
The current administration - well, they have talked a good game since day-1, but the reality is they completely ignored the ARC situation for the first 5 years in favor of other "more pressing" facility issues around campus. More recently, we have learned that there is some sort of nebulous plan to maybe do something sometime. No specifics, no timeline, no fundraising initiative - nothing that would indicate that ARC improvements are anywhere in the immediate future. The university continues to have its cake and eat it too relative to a successful men's bb program, but if Bryce leaves and his replacement doesn't have the reputation and standing that the Drews have built over time to be able to overcome the "facilities disadvantage," this basketball program is in danger of falling right off the table into mediocrity. If that happens, it could take years to recover, if ever.
Quote from: wh on March 25, 2013, 04:00:55 PMSpeaking of improved facilities, here we are well into 2013 and still waiting for a specific ARC improvement/enhancement initiative to be announced. I have said this numerous times - the VU men's basketball program is living on borrowed time. Homer and Scott were successful in spite of a complete lack of support to improve facilities by the former VU administration (both Harre and Steinbrecher). They turned a deaf ear to repeated pleas by Homer to do something. I know this for a fact. The current administration - well, they have talked a good game since day-1, but the reality is they completely ignored the ARC situation for the first 5 years in favor of other "more pressing" facility issues around campus. More recently, we have learned that there is some sort of nebulous plan to maybe do something sometime. No specifics, no timeline, no fundraising initiative - nothing that would indicate that ARC improvements are anywhere in the immediate future. The university continues to have its cake and eat it too relative to a successful men's bb program, but if Bryce leaves and his replacement doesn't have the reputation and standing that the Drews have built over time to be able to overcome the "facilities disadvantage," this basketball program is in danger of falling right off the table into mediocrity. If that happens, it could take years to recover, if ever.
Interesting quote referencing facilities from the ESPN article on Butler's associate coach Matt Graves in accepting the head coaching job at South Alabama. He apparently agrees that facilities do matter in the world of recruiting.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9096549/butler-bulldogs-matthew-graves-hired-south-alabama-jaguars-report-says (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9096549/butler-bulldogs-matthew-graves-hired-south-alabama-jaguars-report-says)
"I didn't know a lot about South Alabama except for that moment before I looked into it," Graves said. "People ask why South Alabama? Why would a Midwest guy want to go to South Alabama. When I came down to look at campus, I was sold right away. I understood there was some history here, good tradition.
The Mitchell Center is a phenomenal facility to recruit to."Sure, Valpo has had much success with the facility we have in the ARC. But I like to imagine what might be if we had enhanced and more state of the art facilities, be it a renovated ARC or ??. I'm with wh on this topic of facilities.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 24, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
I think UCLA AD Dan Guerrero is targetting Chaka Smart.
Now UCLA and USC are looking for new coaches. I wonder if the Beach and Loyola Marymount are next....
They can bring in Phil Jackson, Will Ferrell, Ryan Seacrest, Lindsay Lohan, ....
I'm pretty sure shaka smart just signed a long term deal a vcu. I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon.
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Well, I'll put it this way...without Butler's improvements to Hinkle, Rotnei Clark doesn't transfer. It's not just speculation, it was in an interview with Brad Stevens and Rotnei. How different would Butler look without Clarke?
Oh, I believe that they matter to recruits. And, as a sign of the level of commitment, and the nature of that commitment, to athletics they should matter. Among other factors, of course.
But, I am curious (with, admittedly some bias) for a reminder of what people think is missing at Valpo.
Fan experience? Bling for players? Or something more substantive?
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 25, 2013, 07:12:22 PM
I'm pretty sure shaka smart just signed a long term deal a vcu. I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon.
That has little to do with it. A coach's contract protects them if they get fired, but if they choose to leave, there's rarely any significant buyout for leaving early. Even if there is, the hiring school will typically cover that.
Smart is now the hot name at Minnesota since their AD was previously at VCU.
eh, his "havoc" got absolutely detonated (was going to say "boom-shaka-laka'd" then thought better of it) on Saturday. Don't think that would work very well in the B1G, other than against Purdue that one time.
UCLA probably thinks they're too good to have to press, too :/
Tell that to John Wooden (or were you jesting? ) Yeah, I think you were jesting.
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 25, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 25, 2013, 07:12:22 PM
I'm pretty sure shaka smart just signed a long term deal a vcu. I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon.
That has little to do with it. A coach's contract protects them if they get fired, but if they choose to leave, there's rarely any significant buyout for leaving early. Even if there is, the hiring school will typically cover that.
Smart is now the hot name at Minnesota since their AD was previously at VCU.
My point was that he's got a good thing going (minus the Michigan game) in Richmond, and coupled with the raise he got, it wouldn't surprise me if he stays at vcu for at least a few more years.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 25, 2013, 09:04:06 PMYeah, I think you were jesting.
Always a safe bet with me. ...Only kind of. I feel they haven't pressed--and meant it--in 30+ years.
Bryce and Valpo still getting some pub. http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/03/25/ncaa-tournament-where-are-they-now-kevin-pittsnogle/2018229/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/03/25/ncaa-tournament-where-are-they-now-kevin-pittsnogle/2018229/)
Hi 84 -- this was posted earlier on a string on Basketball >>The Value of National Exposure [ http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1378.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1378.0) ]. You might want to delete it here.
Chicago Tribune's Teddy Greenstein posted on Twitter that the Chris Collins intereview with Northwestern went very well and there could be an announcement this week.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 26, 2013, 09:33:46 AM
Chicago Tribune's Teddy Greenstein posted on Twitter that the Chris Collins intereview with Northwestern went very well and there could be an announcement this week.
Well, it hurts, but I'll clench my teeth and root for Duke just this once.
Good sign here with WF's coach coming back:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9100548/wake-forest-demon-deacons-ad-says-jeff-bzdelik-return-coach (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9100548/wake-forest-demon-deacons-ad-says-jeff-bzdelik-return-coach)
Personally I don't see Drew leaving. He has a lot invested in this team and in the city of Valpo it seems. He grew up here and chose to play for Valpo as a player, while his brother Scott chose Butler to go to as a student, and he was a part of the basketball team as a manager, and I'm sure if he chose VU he would've had the same opportunity there. After he did graduate he did take the helm of the VU team for just a single season, then left for greener pastures with Baylor and Homer once again took over.
Bryce has led a different basketball career than Scott. He was a sensational player Valpo HS and VU. He didn't choose to leave Valpo as a student and go on to play for a big program, instead he stayed at home under his dad. As a coach, he was an assistant for a few years and after Homer retired he took over the controls. He had a similar opportunity to his brother Scott, with Mississippi State but he chose to stay with Valpo, and I believe he will be here for a very long time. I do see him quickly turning into one of the best mid-major coaches. There were some games over the past two seasons that VU won because of coaching, not because of talent. And that is hard to do. So long I am right and he doesn't leave Valpo will have many prolific seasons to come. As we see him grow as a coach and the program will grow along with him and will hopefully reestablish VU as a one of the premier mid-major programs.
Down here they are really hoping to keep Andy Enfield (by doubling his 157K salary to 300K), and there are some parallels, beyond the good-looking blond wives. Just as Bryce made several million in the pros, Andy (a D3 player at Hopkins) created a $100 million business (TractManager or something?). In just two years of head coaching they have 48-20 (Bryce) and 39-27 (i think, for Andy...and counting) records.
In a sense neither of them NEED the money. One gets the feeling that it's only about the money insofar as their salary shows (or doesn't show) respect and deference, e.g how does their salary rank in their conference, how much are they appreciated by admin and community, etc.
[We have to know Bryce's salary, don't we? I seem to remember that VU has to make public their five highest-paid employees--or at least they did under previous tax law. When I was a kid it was always Harre, Steinbrecher, Homer, and Bodensteiner & Berner from the law school, if I remember correctly...]
Well, bingo...partially. Form 990 requires this disclosure, but apparently it no longer includes names.
Here are the top 5 from 2007, as good as I got for right now:
http://www.faqs.org/tax-exempt/IN/Lutheran-University-Association.html#otherEmployees_a (http://www.faqs.org/tax-exempt/IN/Lutheran-University-Association.html#otherEmployees_a)
EDIT: continuing to dig. FY 2011 Pres Heckler made 330K FWIW:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4030 (http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4030)
Enfield didn't create that company. He worked for them and had a small stake of which he cashed out part of it. He still owns a very small portion.
http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Form990&EIN=350868125&Year=2013 (http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Form990&EIN=350868125&Year=2013)
for those of you interested in all VU's 990s...here's 1999-2010.
excerpt:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/zlcgpj.png)
and (also to show headers)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2vl9uol.png)
Quote from: HC on March 26, 2013, 08:25:08 PMEnfield didn't create that company. He worked for them and had a small stake of which he cashed out part of it. He still owns a very small portion.
i'm hardly alone:
QuoteAmong the most significant bold-line items to emerge in the last five days from the eclectic resume of Florida Gulf Coast University basketball coach Andy Enfield is that in 2000, Enfield was the "co-founder'' of a startup software company specializing in contract management in the health care industry, and that the company, TractManager, is valued at $100 million. In an interview Monday with Sports Illustrated, TractManager founder and CEO Tom Rizk, a 55-year-old New Jersey entrepreneur who holds Enfield in exceptionally high regard both personally and professionally, explained that both of those pieces of information are inaccurate.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/andy-enfield-florida-gulf-coast/#ixzz2OhQPZKmn (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/andy-enfield-florida-gulf-coast/#ixzz2OhQPZKmn)
(I never said he still had it, btw. He cashed out a good chunk, though.)
Quote"He was part of our company, he made a modest investment, he cashed out some of his stake and he still retains a small piece," said Rizk of Enfield, who was among the first group of employees, but was not a founding partner. "But, at least by my definition, he is not independently wealthy."
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2013/story/_/id/9099818/florida-gulf-coast-eagles-andy-enfield-wealth-to-work (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2013/story/_/id/9099818/florida-gulf-coast-eagles-andy-enfield-wealth-to-work)
QuoteRizk said Monday that the company is worth much more than $100 million. "The numbers that are quoted, frankly, are very low,'' said Rizk. "Honestly the company is much more valuable. Since 2006, TractManager has quadrupled in value. It's four times the size that it was when Andy left in 2006.''
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/andy-enfield-florida-gulf-coast/#ixzz2OhQvYUwg (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/andy-enfield-florida-gulf-coast/#ixzz2OhQvYUwg)
but then again, he kind of made it sound like he did a bit...
QuoteIn a background interview last Thursday, Enfield walked through the steps of his career -- assistant coach with the Milwaukee Bucks and Boston Celtics, and then the owner of a basketball skills development company -- and added, "I also helped about four partners start a company outside basketball.'' One night later, in a private interview after FGCU's upset win over Georgetown, Enfield was asked to clarify his role in TractManager and said, "I have an equity investment. My partner, Tom Rizk, is the CEO and he's a genius. We all built it together. It was his vision to take a company and build it from the ground floor through a technology that I really didn't know anything about.''
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/andy-enfield-florida-gulf-coast/#ixzz2OhR3EQgP (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/andy-enfield-florida-gulf-coast/#ixzz2OhR3EQgP)
Finally, how's this for more career symmetry: Enfield at Hopkins: 2025 pts. Bryce at VU: 2142.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2013, 02:27:29 PMCould it be to try to get more power or clout from the VU administration? Could VU counteroffer with a higher salary? Could VU counteroffer with assurance of improved facilities, better travel budget, nicer office desk, daily steak and eggs for breakfast, etc.?
I can totally see the AD saying "come on steak and eggs at Jimmy's everyday...what is it gonna take?" hahahahahaha
So in 2010, 9 people made more than 200K at VU:
Heckler made 358K total (salary plus other types of compensation);
Jay Conison made 273K;
Mark Schwehn made 222K, which, well, ok;
Bodensteiner 218K;
Broo-haas made 218K;
Someone named Boyd Bradshaw made 204K;
a couple other law professors just crested 200K. Charley Gillispie didn't even crack it (!).
Homer made 263K, and so was the 3rd highest remunerated person at VU--until you take hours into account.
With VU's own estimates, I calculated hourly wage (hours/week * 48 weeks/year, assuming they get 4 weeks vacation):
Mark Heckler $114.91/hr
Ivan Bodensteiner $90.77/hr
JoEllen Lind $89.49/hr
Bruce Berner $89.02/hr
Seymour Moskowitz $83.68/hr
Jay Conison $75.82/hr (...aaand maybe that's why he left :))
Homer Drew $73.08/hr
Mark Schwehn $71.59/hr
Boyd Bradshaw $70.90/hr
Seen like this, he drops from 3rd out of 9 (Wright State) to 7 out of 9 (Loyola).
Observations:
1. It's good to be a law professor. 5 of the top 6.
2. Should we assume that Bryce, in just year 2, would top his father already? If he even does, it can't be by too much, surely. Notice Mark LaBarbara not on this list...so at least he makes more than his boss :)
3. Being married to a lawyer, I understand that law professors are so highly paid because of both value added and relative compensation. That is to say, you HAVE to pay them because they could make more money plying their trade elsewhere (in private or corporate practice, for instance). F'r instance, Dean Conison leaving for greener pastures.
By that logic, bringing it back around to Bryce, shouldn't we takeaway that:
For the:
--hours worked
--value added to 'brand' and
--relative compensation needing to remain high, both out of deserving as well as wanting to keep him,
shouldn't we "pay the man, Shirley"?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 26, 2013, 08:13:23 PMForm 990 requires this disclosure
Fascinating! I'm not familiar with the 990. I knew this sort of info was usually available for public universities, but didn't know about private.
You'll have to let us know if you spot the 2011 and 2012 forms, when they're available.
It wouldn't surprise me if Bryce is already making about Homer's salary, but who knows?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 27, 2013, 09:40:37 AM
So in 2010, 9 people made more than 200K at VU:
Heckler made 358K total (salary plus other types of compensation);
Jay Conison made 273K;
Mark Schwehn made 222K, which, well, ok;
Bodensteiner 218K;
Broo-haas made 218K;
Someone named Boyd Bradshaw made 204K;
a couple other law professors just crested 200K. Charley Gillispie didn't even crack it (!).
Homer made 263K, and so was the 3rd highest remunerated person at VU--until you take hours into account.
With VU's own estimates, I calculated hourly wage (hours/week * 48 weeks/year, assuming they get 4 weeks vacation):
Mark Heckler $114.91/hr
Ivan Bodensteiner $90.77/hr
JoEllen Lind $89.49/hr
Bruce Berner $89.02/hr
Seymour Moskowitz $83.68/hr
Jay Conison $75.82/hr (...aaand maybe that's why he left :))
Homer Drew $73.08/hr
Mark Schwehn $71.59/hr
Boyd Bradshaw $70.90/hr
Seen like this, he drops from 3rd out of 9 (Wright State) to 7 out of 9 (Loyola).
Observations:
1. It's good to be a law professor. 5 of the top 6.
2. Should we assume that Bryce, in just year 2, would top his father already? If he even does, it can't be by too much, surely. Notice Mark LaBarbara not on this list...so at least he makes more than his boss :)
3. Being married to a lawyer, I understand that law professors are so highly paid because of both value added and relative compensation. That is to say, you HAVE to pay them because they could make more money plying their trade elsewhere (in private or corporate practice, for instance). F'r instance, Dean Conison leaving for greener pastures.
By that logic, bringing it back around to Bryce, shouldn't we takeaway that:
For the:
--hours worked
--value added to 'brand' and
--relative compensation needing to remain high, both out of deserving as well as wanting to keep him,
shouldn't we "pay the man, Shirley"?
I wouldn't try to glean too much from their reported hours worked. They are always inflated for appearance sake. Senior leadership salaries for non-profit organizations have come under a lot of public scrutiny in recent years, thanks to services like Guide Star making access to 990's so much easier than it once was. For example, there's no way anyone from the Law School is working 75 hours/week. That equates to 11 hours/day, 7 days a week or nearly 13 hours/day over 6 days. That simply is not happening. That said, I'm sure these salaries are totally appropriate based on comparable market rates for similar positions.
A canditate not mentioned that I thought might be a good hire is Rex Walters. He's done a good job at S.F. and has experience with Valpo.
Rex is a very good coach, but as far as coming back here, it would be unlikely. He grew up in San Jose and is happy in California. Although, he's had some ups and down at USF, I would think his job is safe there for right now.
Quote from: wh on March 27, 2013, 11:19:34 AMI wouldn't try to glean too much from their reported hours worked. They are always inflated for appearance sake.
I'm sure they are--or rather I guess I hope so for Janet's sake! :) As someone who works 100 hours over the 9 days of Holy Week, I have no problem believing that a head coach in the throes of the season would do the same--though hopefully (surely) not 11 months a year!
But your point probably is overridden by the fact that hours are inflated across the board, no? So the ratio more or less holds, if all have their hours inflated, wouldn't it?
Quote from: chef on March 23, 2013, 03:06:44 PMIf I was a gambling man
I'm sure more than one chuckled at this comment!
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 28, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: wh on March 27, 2013, 11:19:34 AMI wouldn't try to glean too much from their reported hours worked. They are always inflated for appearance sake.
I'm sure they are--or rather I guess I hope so for Janet's sake! :) As someone who works 100 hours over the 9 days of Holy Week, I have no problem believing that a head coach in the throes of the season would do the same--though hopefully (surely) not 11 months a year!
But your point probably is overridden by the fact that hours are inflated across the board, no? So the ratio more or less holds, if all have their hours inflated, wouldn't it?
Possibly - I would just be guessing. A lot of N-P's use the same number for everyone on the list - 48-50 is somewhat typical. Or, they'll show the top dog higher and everyone else the same, or whatever. Just comparing numbers, Bryce's looks like it's probably the closest to reality. Since I know 1 of the people on the Law School list personally and my son is a recent VU Law School grad, I'm pretty confident that theirs are shall we say a "tad" inflated. ;) It's not a big deal either way in the world of N-P income reporting. I probably shouldn't have even brought it up.
If Bryce leaves, who do you go after? You go after Danny Kaspar from SFA. That's who you go after.
Greg Rakestraw, former IUPUI pbp guy, was subbing for Dan Dakich on 1070 the fan a few days ago and happen to mention that one of Indiana State's starters was transferring to Indiana Wesleyan and Greg Tonagel because he wants to play with his brother. That is some awfully good recruiting or an awfully dumb move on the part RJ Mahurin. One way or the other you have to say that Greg Tonagel is doing something Wrrrrrrightttt at IWU.
http://www.gosycamores.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15200&SPID=7259&SPSID=65149 (http://www.gosycamores.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15200&SPID=7259&SPSID=65149)
http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65149&SPID=7259&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=207031763&DB_OEM_ID=15200 (http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65149&SPID=7259&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=207031763&DB_OEM_ID=15200)
my math may be fuzzy, but 10.1 ppg/MVC translates roughly to 68.7 ppg/NAIA D-2.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 07, 2013, 09:38:06 AM
http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65149&SPID=7259&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=207031763&DB_OEM_ID=15200 (http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65149&SPID=7259&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=207031763&DB_OEM_ID=15200)
my math may be fuzzy, but 10.1 ppg/MVC [and 6'9"] translates roughly to 68.7 ppg/NAIA D-2.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 07, 2013, 09:38:06 AM
http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65149&SPID=7259&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=207031763&DB_OEM_ID=15200 (http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=65149&SPID=7259&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=207031763&DB_OEM_ID=15200)
my math may be fuzzy, but 10.1 ppg/MVC translates roughly to 68.7 ppg/NAIA D-2.
Your math is really fuzzy!
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Your math is so fuzzy you must be Thurston for some pestering about how much Payton Manning is smarter than you. Commonly known as Bronko Nagurski. Cha---ching!!! Ouch!
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Sorry to bring up old stuff--or rather, new stuff in an old thread, hopefully, but if it's been posted and I missed it, feel free to give me both barrels since usually I'm on top of that. just got back from valpo and have been away from the board, ironically.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/23113483/candid-coaches-which-lowmajor-coach-is-poised-to-be-the-next-andy-enfield (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/23113483/candid-coaches-which-lowmajor-coach-is-poised-to-be-the-next-andy-enfield)
From the CBS blog: "Candid Coaches: Which low-major coach can be the next Andy Enfield?"
(I've brought you pretty much everything here, except a picture of Bryce with KVW and Capo.)
QuoteCoaching turnover is a perpetual, seasonal thing in college basketball. Each spring, around 10 percent of the sport loses its head coaches to retirement, firings or different jobs. The third part is what makes it interesting. Inevitably there will be one, two or three gigs following every season where a coach grabs a higher rung and ascends in the profession.
This past season, no coach took a longer reach than Andy Enfield. The former Florida Gulf Coast/current USC coach went from unknown to national sports celebrity in less than two weeks -- because of two games. Had Florida Dunk Coast not made that Sweet 16 run, Enfield is probably still in Fort Myers, Fla., prepping his program in hopes of back-to-back Dance appearances.
Enfield moving up is the latest example of how winning big at a small school can pay off -- literally -- in huge ways. And despite Enfield's success and the coaching carousel that comes every spring, it's not every year we see a man at a particularly small school make the definitive leap to a top-60 program.
Which leads us to the fourth question in our Candid Coaches series.
Which low-major coach is poised to become the next Andy Enfield?
• Bryce Drew, Valparaiso: 15 percent
• Mike White, Louisiana Tech: 12 percent
• Will Wade, Chattanooga: 9 percent
• Steve Masiello, Manhattan: 8 percent
Others receiving multiple votes: Joe Dooley (FGCU); Pat Skerry (Towson); Brett Reed (Lehigh); Andy Toole (Robert Morris); Scott Cross (Texas-Arlington); Kareem Richardson (UMKC); Joe Jones (Boston U)
QUOTES THAT STOOD OUT:
On Drew: "I'm pretty sure he could already be a high-major coach if he wanted. He'll make the jump eventually. He's just waiting on the right fit."
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THE TAKEAWAY (BY MATT NORLANDER)
Before we talk the top vote-getters, I want to note that we had more than 25 names populate this list in doing our survey. There is a lot of optimism about the young guys coaching at small schools. In general it feels like the coaching culture is as positive and talented in the under-40 crowd as it has ever been. In talking to older coaches, they say the go-getters now, the young assistants who quickly work their way up to head jobs, those guys are smarter, more active and better at a young age than coaches from past generations.
As for Drew winning, it's not a huge surprise. Drew has already passed on other jobs, and he'll likely be able to have the pick of the lot every spring, so long as his team is near the top of the Horizon. And remember, Butler's long gone from that league, so opportunity is there to conquer.
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Like I said above, every spring doesn't bring a really big job to a coach from a small school. But looking at the candidates here, and knowing the NCAA tournament is as likely as ever to give us high-profile upsets? The odds seem to be increasing, and it wouldn't shock me if at least half of all the names listed above are in major-conference jobs by 2017.
To me, the most troubling part of this article comes from the headline...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on August 16, 2013, 12:25:43 PM"Candid Coaches: Which low-major coach can be the next Andy Enfield?"
Quote from: Valpo2010 on August 16, 2013, 09:34:02 PM
To me, the most troubling part of this article comes from the headline...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on August 16, 2013, 12:25:43 PM"Candid Coaches: Which low-major coach can be the next Andy Enfield?"
Agreed. It simply says the writer really doesn't understand college basketball or the quality of various programs.
He is just saying anything non-BCS it seems. To him, there must be high major and low major only
Right?
Oren tweeted the article calling it a "back-handed compliment". Sigh.