Opening spread: Valpo +3
I'm surprised it's that close. I was expecting 5 or 6.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2013/12/07/2013-12-07_saint-louis_vs_valparaiso/spread (http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2013/12/07/2013-12-07_saint-louis_vs_valparaiso/spread)
Edit: Bovada has Valpo +5
Familiar foe coming to the ARC in St. Louis
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/familiar-foe-coming-to-the-arc-in-st-louis/article_32d1251c-355e-5053-994b-2f644beea1fa.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/familiar-foe-coming-to-the-arc-in-st-louis/article_32d1251c-355e-5053-994b-2f644beea1fa.html)
I will go with Valpo by 1 at the buzzer in OT, 81-80.
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Saint Louis 69
Valpo 59
Quote from: HC on December 06, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
I will go with Valpo by 1 at the buzzer in OT, 81-80.
I like the optimism. I'm going with a Valpo win, 72-71, no OT. We continue our good defense and limit our turnovers, hitting some key FTs down the stretch.
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I see this game being one that Alec Peters really wants to win and him making a lot of late shots and scoring over 25 points. I think the game will go down to the last minute and if Valpo wins it will be Lavonte Dority who takes the last shot that wins it for Valpo.
ST.LOUIS 68
VALPARAISO 70
Quote from: valpopal on December 06, 2013, 08:02:44 PM
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This game is a great use of Alec. I say he goes for 20 and 12.
We win 80-74 with it going back and forth until the very end.
Will the students for sure be at the game tonight?
YOU BET! Students are "into" things this year. The tree lighting ceremony on Thursday night had by far the largest crowd I've ever seen. and it was really cold !! They came out in force for Murray State and will be there for the Billikens !!
This is from the game notes:
- There are a number of familiar foes on both sides of the Crusaders' matchup with Saint Louis on Saturday.
- Valpo's LaVonte Dority and SLU's Mike McCall Jr., both seniors, were teammates at Foreman H.S. in Chicago.
- Valpo's Lexus Williams and SLU walk-on Royce Simpson, both freshmen, were teammates at Marist H.S. in Chicago as well.
- Valpo's Jordan Coleman and SLU's Austin McBroom both hail from North Hollywood, Calif. (Different high schools)
- In addition, Keith Carter started his career at SLU last year before transferring to Valpo at the semester break.
What Valpo needs to do to win this game: Outscore SLU, pretty simple.
If Carter were playing, Valpo would likely win. Without him, very unlikely.
Quote from: atkins on December 07, 2013, 11:01:20 AM
If Carter were playing, Valpo would likely win. Without him, very unlikely.
I don't buy into this. Carter may be very motivated but he would still need live game time to be at his best with his teammates and he hasn't played in almost a year.
I fear St. Louis is too athletic inside for us to capitalize on any height advantage. Hope the team can prove me wrong again. StLU by 7
I see us pulling one out in regulation time, learning from our Mercer mistakes:
Valpo 74
SLU 71
Chairbacks are now sold out with 131 seats left on the reserve side. Obviously LOTS of space upstairs.
I really hope that there is a walk-up crowd. It would be ridiculous to see the upper stands empty for a game like this...
SLU by 10.
Quote from: bbtds on December 07, 2013, 12:20:37 PMQuote from: atkins on December 07, 2013, 11:01:20 AMIf Carter were playing, Valpo would likely win. Without him, very unlikely.
I don't buy into this. Carter may be very motivated but he would still need live game time to be at his best with his teammates and he hasn't played in almost a year.
Perhaps. But Carter is that good. None of Valpo's guards are even close. We could really use his skills. We're not a particularly agile or quick team (with a few exceptions). Carter is quick and agile but also strong. He would have been the second-best player on SLU's team this year, just behind Jett (who is a superb basketball player).
Ya know, every time the discussion arises to retire the crusader mascot for political correctness I always suggest the new nickname, the "Valpo Valiants." It has a nice alliteration, it's pretty unique, the two syllable nickname is useful for crowd cheers (unlike "Crusaders"), and you could even keep the same mascot! It's also a very accurate description of how our sports teams seem to play; valiantly.
A valiant effort by a team that has proven time and again that they have a ton of heart and never give up! Another great game of college basketball that we came out on the wrong side. We're still paying back the karma to the sports gods for Kenney and Broekoff's shots against GB last season. I'm still excited for this team this season and beyond!
Good sign for the rest of the year, in being able to play with teams such as SLU. I believe we would have won it in OT if that tip wasn't in time, so it hurts, but we move on! For as young as we are, we hung with a team that started 5 Seniors, and had 7 upperclassmen play most of the minutes. Curious why Jubril seemed to be absent for most of the second half?
Bummer ending to a fantastic game. The difference in the game was the first five minutes when they jumped out 15-3. Valpo never quits, if we go to OT we probably win but not guaranteed. Teams with 5 freshmen don't win games like this and Peter's 3 was a godsend so I guess it all evened out in the end. To play with a SLU team that's 2 losses came to ranked teams and to nearly knock them off isn't all too bad. Like I said the outcome was disappointing, wish we would've had a chance in OT but still it's not a guarantee.
Just one more game till KC is eligible and I think he'll elevate this team to a different level. With KC we probably win this game and you can reasonably say we win against Ohio, Evansville, Mercer, and Illinois. Tough game, I'd rather get the tough one's out now, before conference play start.
Our freshmen played like freshmen tonight and we still almost won it. C'mon clock person you got to start that thing a hair early!
I'm going to say this and Im not going to be liked for it but Jordan Coleman attempts some layups he has no business attempting. He looks like a clown sometimes.
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The one moment tonight that sticks out was when we cut the lead to 4 for the first time. Back to back possessions Coleman blew attempts to score one being an airball dunk.
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I am cracking up at SLU's board mentioning that they should blow us out. I love the cockiness of teams from larger conferences. Looking at the replay of that final play on their board, it looks like the time it takes for someone to push the button to start the clock was our nemesis. It appears that 0.1-0.2 seconds should have come off by the time the clock started. I wish I hadn't looked at it as it is close, but it does appear the clock operator needs better Nascar reaction times :):
Mike McCall Jr. Wins it at the Buzzer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT8m09oTBkQ#ws)
Edit: Crap, watch Lexus on this! You should have been running to the basket Lexus, not slow jogging behind your guy!
His uber athleticism bails us out sometimes, I remember the one you are talking about and thought it was probably a poor shot choice since there was plenty of time left on the shot clock, although he did make a very similar one a few possessions earlier.
I thought Capo, Vashil and Gueye all played great defensively....passing the ball on offense was another story, but on defense SLu just stopped going in the paint for quite a while in the second half.
I bet that is a mistake he only makes once, a kind of "pecker rule" there for the freshman.
How was the crowd?
Paul
Student section filled up, I wasn't disappointed with the crowd.
Quote from: HC on December 07, 2013, 10:56:34 PM
Student section filled up, I wasn't disappointed with the crowd.
I was terribly disappointed with the season ticket holders. They don't seem to show up in total for the toughest opponent of the year or the athletic dept wants them to be able to spread out. Why not sell the empty seats in chairbacks?
St. Louis was picked to finish 2nd in the A-10 behind VCU. They have WAY more experienced players than we do, and yet we took them to the wire. Throw Keith Carter into the mix, and there's no doubt we win this game. Oh well...
To the SLU fan or fans who think they should have blown us out, let me give you a little reality check. Your team was completely dominated on the boards tonight. Your 2 6-11 white stiff centers are terrible. The moppy haired white guy on your team (Barnett?) needs an attitude adjustment. He yelled at other of your players several times, told one of your guys lined up across from him on a free throw to worry about himself when the guy tried to tell him something, cried and rolled his eyes every time he was called for a foul when he was badly beaten off the dribble, and I almost forgot, he's terrible too. Last, but not least, apparently your team didn't get the message that you can't body up and manhandle an opposing player with the ball this year. Some of the fouls your team committed in the first half were downright silly. Oh, and just a suggestion, you might want to publish the rule changes on your message board about blocking vs. charging to educate your fans that were at the game and were obviously clueless every time they moaned and groaned when their heroes were called for blocking. Just trying to help. Good luck this season. We are going to need all the help we can get from your RPI.
Quote from: HC on December 07, 2013, 10:29:18 PMI thought Capo, Vashil and Gueye all played great defensively....passing the ball on offense was another story, but on defense SLu just stopped going in the paint for quite a while in the second half.
Those 3 played a total of 63 minutes tonight which is about 12 minutes above average. They also pulled down 26 of our 53 rebounds and 11 of our 20 offensive rebounds. Their total of 5 of the 17 turnovers in their 63 minutes is actually not that bad! Looked like S.L . decided to shut down our outside shooting and see if we could beat them in the paint and off our drives. Well- almost!
Coleman played a lot of minutes tonight because we needed his length and speed defensively. I personally think that he will break out one of these nights and start putting good numbers on the board on a regular basis. In the meantime I have been getting a little impatient as well.
Quote from: wh on December 07, 2013, 11:53:07 PM
St. Louis was picked to finish 2nd in the A-10 behind VCU. They have WAY more experienced players than we do, and yet we took them to the wire. Throw Keith Carter into the mix, and there's no doubt we win this game. Oh well...
To the SLU fan or fans who think they should have blown us out, let me give you a little reality check. Your team was completely dominated on the boards tonight. Your 2 6-11 white stiff centers are terrible. The moppy haired white guy on your team (Barnett?) needs an attitude adjustment. He yelled at other of your players several times, told one of your guys lined up across from him on a free throw to worry about himself when the guy tried to tell him something, cried and rolled his eyes every time he was called for a foul when he was badly beaten off the dribble, and I almost forgot, he's terrible too. Last, but not least, apparently your team didn't get the message that you can't body up and manhandle an opposing player with the ball this year. Some of the fouls your team committed in the first half were downright silly. Oh, and just a suggestion, you might want to publish the rule changes on your message board about blocking vs. charging to educate your fans that were at the game and were obviously clueless every time they moaned and groaned when their heroes were called for blocking. Just trying to help. Good luck this season. We are going to need all the help we can get from your RPI.
I'm a big basketball fan and i know good basketball when i see it and your team is decent... had the Billikens played good basketball this would have been a 10 point win at least... this should have not came down to the last shot we are the superior team and for u to think otherwise is quite ludicrous... Keith Carter is good but he is no savior like you think
Hind sight is always 20/20 and in this case watching the replay I see 3 things I really don't like. How this long pass is completed is beyond me. We had 5 on 4 in their end of the floor with a defender for every offensive player and an extra defender to double the ball.
1) I have never been a big fan of prevent defenses that let the quarterback sit in the pocket without pressure... ahh wrong sport but same principle, I think not pressuring the inbounds passer really helps the possibility of this long 53 foot pass being completed. He could have never have thrown that pass that way (a long two handed chest pass) if he had a defender on him.
2) Who is suppose to be guarding Loe? It looks like we have Peters playing center field and he thinks the ball is going to Jett so he moves to initially double in that direction while Moussa isn't going to guard Loe that far from the basket letting Loe come up to receive the pass. Perhaps this was thought to be acceptable, that Loe was not a threat and that Peters would roam to the more dangerous offensive player. If that was the case then Peters committed way to early to Jett's side of the floor.
3) We had some ball watchers on that last play. The Freshman have played very well, no doubt about it, but this should be a learning moment for Lexus because his man gets in position to get the rebound while Lexus is so enamored by what is happening that he just watches events unfold and VU unfortunately loose the game. Lexus could have easily blocked him out if he had not be just watching.
This team has heart and fights to be bitter end. Very proud of our young men. Pretty soon they will start winning these hotly contested close games I am sure of it.
Quote from: Billikenswon on December 08, 2013, 12:21:21 AMI'm a big basketball fan and i know good basketball when i see it and your team is decent... had the Billikens played good basketball this would have been a 10 point win at least... this should have not came down to the last shot we are the superior team and for u to think otherwise is quite ludicrous... Keith Carter is good but he is no savior like you think
Wow, what an arrogant thing to say... when teams don't play "good" basketball it normally has a little something to do with the other team. Perhaps our out rebounding you by 22 had a little something to do with that.
I really liked Rick Majerus and what he did for your program. I back mid major teams versus the BCS big conferences all the time. Are you guys a better team? I would hope so considering we start 3 freshman and you start 5 seniors. Is the gap as big as you seem to thing it is? Most certainly not. Did we play "good" basketball? No, we did not play to our potential, but then your ball pressure defense had a little something to do with that. Do we need Keith Carter to be a savior? I don't think so, but if he can give us a couple more assists and say... an additional 4 points per game then this team probably would have lost just one or two games. That doesn't sound like savior numbers to me and for you to think that this scenario is not entirely possible would be quite... lets say... ludicrous.
Quote from: Billikenswon on December 08, 2013, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: wh on December 07, 2013, 11:53:07 PM
St. Louis was picked to finish 2nd in the A-10 behind VCU. They have WAY more experienced players than we do, and yet we took them to the wire. Throw Keith Carter into the mix, and there's no doubt we win this game. Oh well...
To the SLU fan or fans who think they should have blown us out, let me give you a little reality check. Your team was completely dominated on the boards tonight. Your 2 6-11 white stiff centers are terrible. The moppy haired white guy on your team (Barnett?) needs an attitude adjustment. He yelled at other of your players several times, told one of your guys lined up across from him on a free throw to worry about himself when the guy tried to tell him something, cried and rolled his eyes every time he was called for a foul when he was badly beaten off the dribble, and I almost forgot, he's terrible too. Last, but not least, apparently your team didn't get the message that you can't body up and manhandle an opposing player with the ball this year. Some of the fouls your team committed in the first half were downright silly. Oh, and just a suggestion, you might want to publish the rule changes on your message board about blocking vs. charging to educate your fans that were at the game and were obviously clueless every time they moaned and groaned when their heroes were called for blocking. Just trying to help. Good luck this season. We are going to need all the help we can get from your RPI.
I'm a big basketball fan and i know good basketball when i see it and your team is decent... had the Billikens played good basketball this would have been a 10 point win at least... this should have not came down to the last shot we are the superior team and for u to think otherwise is quite ludicrous... Keith Carter is good but he is no savior like you think
Sorry, but you're not going to get any accolades from me. I read all 18 pages on your game thread and not 1 comment from anyone on your board giving Valpo any credit for doing anything good. Just the usual dose of arrogance and condescension from a bunch of knuckleheads. Your comment is no better. Had you played your game you would have won by 10 points, as if we had nothing to do with you not playing up to your capability. I hate to break the news to you, but your "superior" team looked very underwhelming. In fact, our zone never looked better. Have a superior evening.
I think that I could argue that VU would be a significantly better team if only we had another attack the basket mentality player who could spell LaVonte for 7 or 8 minutes at the 2 and maybe help secure our backup point play as well. Darn the luck! What a shame! We just never seem to have all the necessary pieces to the puzzle!!
Well maybe next year, or maybe even late December.
I really think a key for SLU was playing great D on Alec Peters. They essentially shut down Alec until that late 3 that some how found it's way through the net. I knew the greatest asset the Billikens had was the very stingy defense. It showed in Valpo's point total being well below the Crusaders usual offensive production.
Quote from: HC on December 07, 2013, 10:29:18 PM
His uber athleticism bails us out sometimes, I remember the one you are talking about and thought it was probably a poor shot choice since there was plenty of time left on the shot clock, although he did make a very similar one a few possessions earlier.
I thought Capo, Vashil and Gueye all played great defensively....passing the ball on offense was another story, but on defense SLu just stopped going in the paint for quite a while in the second half.
I think Lexus crumpled some what under the pressure of the Billikens very tough defense. He certainly wasn't totally shut down from penetrating but LaVonte was much better at penetrating when it counted.
2 stories written in the St Louis Post Dispatch:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/glaze-does-less-gives-more-to-slu/article_3d49e355-d082-554c-abb8-a7538c13e47a.html (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/glaze-does-less-gives-more-to-slu/article_3d49e355-d082-554c-abb8-a7538c13e47a.html)
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/slu-wins-one-at-the-buzzer/article_234e35c5-77fc-57c9-b0df-34408cbe0e25.html (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/slu-wins-one-at-the-buzzer/article_234e35c5-77fc-57c9-b0df-34408cbe0e25.html)
Quote from: truth219 on December 07, 2013, 10:25:58 PMThe one moment tonight that sticks out was when we cut the lead to 4 for the first time. Back to back possessions Coleman blew attempts to score one being an airball dunk.
i'm with you, man. you're exactly right. it's maybe a fine play in other circumstances, but when you've never led, and you've wasted too many possessions, and you've been struggling mightily to get back...just careless.
Why didn't he just lay it in?
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The worst was the two 5 second violation calls. We have to be able to inbounds the ball.
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Off topic working on this pipeline job is a drag. Yes the money is fantastic, but it messes with bring with my family and my college basketball viewing and going to the valpo games. Haven't missed one yet, but will next Saturday.
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I hate it when a game thread has opposing fans pissing on the game - after it is over. You won - fine... Give credit and say your opponent gave you a good scare.
This was a messy game. I thought the refs were super inconsistent. They would let a player get mangled on a drive and then call a crap foul somewhere else. I looked the refs up and they do not look as experienced as other D1 refs? Also, I am changing my original view on the new rules because I thought it would promote "the finesse game" - instead just slows down play and at times awards the wrong things. (A player just standing there and gets foul called. Only other choice they have is to step out of way and give them the basket.)
I have say that I saw SL deconstructing or defense extremely well. To me it looked like everytime they took advantage of a hole - we would change something and then they would find the new hole in our defense. well done. ...
There were a few times where our freshman looked like freshman in this one. However, all in all I was impressed with how we stayed in this game. We have surprised a few opponents this year - just not getting the W.
The problem wasn't with Jordan's attempted dunk so much as the pass. Where he caught it, he wasn't able to get to the rim. His only other choice would have been to land and the go up again. I've never been in a position with my arms up higher that the rim to know how tough it would be to make that choice in mid-air.
As a person who has been frustrated with Dority driving the lane and then not getting the ball off of his hip, I have second thoughts about his ability to drive to the bucket. He has really been finishing much better than last season and the beginning of this season.
Last night we learned a lesson about defensive intensity and quick hands. I wish that we could have learned that lesson in two minutes instead of four.
Quote from: Smj on December 08, 2013, 07:43:45 AMI hate it when a game thread has opposing fans pissing on the game - after it is over.
Some fan bases have more than their share of douches.
Quote from: Smj on December 08, 2013, 07:43:45 AMAlso, I am changing my original view on the new rules because I thought it would promote "the finesse game" - instead just slows down play and at times awards the wrong things.
Thank you for coming around :)
Quote from: humbleopinion on December 08, 2013, 07:44:31 AMThe problem wasn't with Jordan's attempted dunk so much as the pass.
My problem wasn't the execution--it was the play call itself.
As others have noted, the excellent St. Louis defense we expected gave Valpo problems throughout the game, especially in the first half when there were 13 of the team's 17 turnovers. (Indeed, turnovers were the main difference in the game: 17 for VU and only 6 for SL.) As a result, the freshmen were most influenced. However, the team showed resilience and played (perhaps out-played) their opponent well after trailing by 12 points only 5 minutes into the game.
The comeback was fun to watch, and the close of the game displayed many exciting moments, including the three I've pictured below: Dority's drive to tie the game, Alec's block with 1.0 on the clock, and the team's bonding with the student section following the game. Unfortunately, after Dority's score the officials added time on the clock, moving it from 2.9 to 3.8, which proved to be fatal. (As I was watching, I couldn't understand why Valpo let the last in-bounds pass all the way to half-court, which gave St. Louis time to get a play.)
Nevertheless, this team is showing it can play with good programs—like St. Louis, Mercer, Illinois, Murray State, etc.—and this should prove valuable when conference play begins, especially if Carter contributes as much as we hope. As for attendance: the chairback section basically was full, as were the reserved seats, but the upper level was only half full, which is disappointing. On the other hand, the student section (which I criticized last year) has been excellent this season, and I hope their enthusiasm will carry over to the new year after Christmas break and into conference play.
Finally, the atmosphere was actually pretty good at the ARC last night. In the post-game interviews, the St. Louis players mentioned how the loud and supportive VU crowd was noticeable. The student section was enthusiastic. Special kudos to the pep band, which has been excellent this year, and a special nod to their super fan who danced Gangnam Style during one of the timeouts. Also, congrats to the promotion folks who brought in the Bucket Boys for the halftime show. I remember seasons when there was terrific half-time entertainment at every game. I think the recent absence of such halftime shows has been detrimental, and more of these could help bring in families to fill those bleacher sections.
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You cant tell me we cant win this league. This team fights to the very end, no matter the deficit. I think we are gonna have something special here in Valpo in the next few years. ;)
I don't think we will be able to beat Green Bay this year though, even with Keith Carter.
A few thoughts from yesterday's game. Yes, it was a heartbreaking loss but take away the first 5 minutes of that game and we win by 10. That was the difference in the game. We got off to a slow start and in the end if we start well we probably win.
Anyways I thought the freshmen looked a bit like freshmen tonight and the seniors showed that they can play with the best of them. Dority was fantastic last night, wanted the ball in crunch time and was clutch again. After a rough start for LVD he's been playing great. He doesn't foul much, gets fouled a ton, gets to the hoop and is able to finish. Every part of his game has improved dramatically since last year.
I also though Moussa was a Moose. Over the past few games he's been starting to come around. Yes, his offense isn't great but when you pull down 13 boards and 6 are offensive you're doing something right, he also had 4 blocks as well. SLUs big men were taken out of the game and were unheard of. I will imagine he will dominate the HL, no team has a player like Moussa and the only way big's can score against him is to take outside shots.
Bobby also played really well. He had a big first half and brought us back in the game. He plays with a huge level of intensity, without Bobby I think this game would've been over early in the second half. He really brought us back in the game.
This team plays with an edge and has a certain attitude to it, and I love it. Compared to last years team which would have to outshoot you to win, this team is much more athletic and nearly beat an extremely athletic SLU team. This team is playing great, I'm excited to have KC real soon, I think he's the final ingredient. Too bad we couldn't of had him to start the season cause we'd probably be a one or two loss team and might even be ranked because the teams we have lost to are high-quality team and every one of those game we could've easily come out as victors.
This team is capable of running the table in the HL, will it happen doubtful but they are better than every team, GB is the only other good team in the league. I would guess that GB and Valpo are on a collision course right now to meet in the finals.
SLU is a good defensive team, which we knew coming in. They took us out of our offense for most of the first half. Having said that, when you outrebound your opponent by 20+ in a game you would expect to win. What hurt us badly once again was sloppy play and 17 turnovers for the game, though we were much better in the 2nd half with that.
Again we fell behind 15-3 in the first 5 minutes of the game. Hard to beat good teams when you do that and have to play catch up the whole game. Lastly, splitting free throw opportunities. It seemed as I watched the game that we would make one and miss one when given 2 free throws to shoot. Throw in the missed alley-oop, which was set up pretty well by the coaching staff I thought, and a few other missed bunnies, and we could of, maybe should of won. But should of means nothing, as SLU weathered the storm at the end and found a way to win, when perhaps they did not play their best game.
This game should help our freshmen players grow and mature on the court, as they had the opportunity to go against a borderline top 25 program at home, one with lots of experienced players, and one that plays pressure D in the half court game. I was proud of how our guys did not back down, but competed hard and almost came away with the win. I hope SLU and Valpo continue the series and play each other every year, as it is good competition for each program in the non-con portion of the season.
Quote from: govalpogo on December 07, 2013, 09:28:15 PMthe "Valpo Valiants."
I believe that is the nickname that Immanuel Lutheran School (K-8) Valpo still uses to this day.
edit: I should say within their Lutheran schools conference they are known as "Valpo Valiants" because within their conference there are other Immanuels. When they play public or other private schools within Valpo they are known as the Immanuel Valiants.
SLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex... This was more evident when the new Big East was being formed and SLU was left behind in the A10. Really they're still just a strong mid major program... As much as they want to be, they're not Marquette or Georgetown.
And the SLU fan saying "if we play better we win by 10 against Valpo" must not understand the concept of a sporting event.
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PM
SLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex... This was more evident when the new Big East was being formed and SLU was left behind in the A10. Really they're still just a strong mid major program... As much as they want to be, they're not Marquette or Georgetown.
And the SLU fan saying "if we play better we win by 10 against Valpo" must not understand the concept of a sporting event.
I was in Chaifetz Arena last year when SLU had already sliced and diced VCU to a statistically certain win and the hometown fans were still screaming bloody murder over a "bad" call by the ref. I looked at the guy next to me and said, "You do know that game is over, right?" but unfortunately he wasn't looking at me and he couldn't hear me.
The arena certainly begets feelings of superiority. Makes the ARC look like a kindergarten gymnasium.
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMAnd the SLU fan saying "if we play better we win by 10 against Valpo" must not understand the concept of a sporting event.
a3 FTW.
the difference between a freshman and a senior never more apparent than with 'pal's photo of the last play.
attendance was actually 356
5 because we had an extra spectator there at the end.
hell of a way to learn that lesson, kid.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 08, 2013, 09:29:21 AMQuote from: Smj on Today at 07:43:45 AM
Also, I am changing my original view on the new rules because I thought it would promote "the finesse game" - instead just slows down play and at times awards the wrong things.
Thank you for coming around :)
It *will* promote a cleaner game (or whatever the hell "finesse game" means)... IF the players do their part. In point of fact however, the new emphasis on rules that have *not* changed is meant to promote one thing, and one thing only: playing by the rules.
When it comes to assessing the new emphasis this year, I don't care one bit about increased scoring, increase in the number of fouls and free throws, increase in play stoppage or any of the other "problems" that keep getting brought up to argue against the new emphasis. These are irrelevant to a proper assessment of the referees. They matter when discussing whether fans are going to like it or not, but that's a separate issue.
These refs last night didn't get the memo and probably weren't all that great to begin with, but I don't think you can blame the new emphasis for this.
If guards had played solid defense in the first half we would not be talking about missed shots! >:(
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 08, 2013, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMAnd the SLU fan saying "if we play better we win by 10 against Valpo" must not understand the concept of a sporting event.
a3 FTW.
the difference between a freshman and a senior never more apparent than with 'pal's photo of the last play.
attendance was actually 3565 because we had an extra spectator there at the end.
hell of a way to learn that lesson, kid.
Gotta agree. You do your job, you don't suddenly become a spectator. I could see that coming and I'm saying "why isn't that guy being boxed out? -- Oh, s%$#@"
I really think Moussa is coming into his own as he learns and adjusts to his role. I'm sure his role is much different than last year and we must, as a team, learn to push the ball inside to open up the outside game. Moussa had 6 points, 13 boards, 4 blocks, 2 assts, 1 TO and didn't foul out. This against the best defensive team we've played all year and probably the best overall.
I'm also sure those asking for less playing time for Bobby are rethinking their position. He is a huge (literally) matchup problem as he has now shown the dribble/drive ability to go with his 3 point shot and great rebounding. His line: 14 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks. He did have 3 TOs (less then Alec's 4) and 5 fouls in a hard fought inside game.
Congrats to both!! :clap: :clap:
Quote from: vu72 on December 08, 2013, 01:30:42 PM
I really think Moussa is coming into his own as he learns and adjusts to his role. I'm sure his role is much different than last year and we must, as a team, learn to push the ball inside to open up the outside game. Moussa had 6 points, 13 boards, 4 blocks, 2 assts, 1 TO and didn't foul out. This against the best defensive team we've played all year and probably the best overall.
I'm also sure those asking for less playing time for Bobby are rethinking their position. He is a huge (literally) matchup problem as he has now shown the dribble/drive ability to go with his 3 point shot and great rebounding. His line: 14 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks. He did have 3 TOs (less then Alec's 4) and 5 fouls in a hard fought inside game.
Congrats to both!! :clap: :clap:
I will retract my bench Bobby statements from earlier. He's looked really good and without him last night we have no chance of winning. Same with Moussa, might not be the prettiest offensive player but he gets it done in many other categories. Moussa will eat up HL post players that have nowhere near the size. Perhaps the knee injury Bobby was nursing early on affected him more than I realized. I wouldn't be shocked if Lexus doesn't start next game just because of the final play of the game where he was a spectator and if he would've boxed out it would've gone to OT.
They should be able to handle LMU, after that we have everyone available. I think yesterday showed us that Lexus isn't quite ready to be a starter. He's a very good player and will be very good but this is why KC is gonna start over him.
Hopefully we can be run the table going into HL play and enter 10-5. UCF is good but we get KC for that game and we should be able to handle LMU and ETS.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 08, 2013, 12:25:15 PMQuote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex... This was more evident when the new Big East was being formed and SLU was left behind in the A10. Really they're still just a strong mid major program... As much as they want to be, they're not Marquette or Georgetown. And the SLU fan saying "if we play better we win by 10 against Valpo" must not understand the concept of a sporting event.
I was in Chaifetz Arena last year when SLU had already sliced and diced VCU to a statistically certain win and the hometown fans were still screaming bloody murder over a "bad" call by the ref. I looked at the guy next to me and said, "You do know that game is over, right?" but unfortunately he wasn't looking at me and he couldn't hear me. The arena certainly begets feelings of superiority. Makes the ARC look like a kindergarten gymnasium.
That's hilarious as I was walking out of the arena at the same time as the refs a SLU fan yelled thanks for giving us one call the whole second half. He had to be reminded that his team won the game.
I'm sure its only a portion of their fans, but some SLU people were clearly intoxicated as they walked into the arena and sounded as if they have not attended a basketball game before.
This team is already a ton of fun to watch already and that will only increase once KC comes back.
Quote from: vuchicago on December 08, 2013, 01:57:31 PMThat's hilarious as I was walking out of the arena at the same time as the refs a SLU fan yelled thanks for giving us one call the whole second half. He had to be reminded that his team won the game.
LOL. Well, I suppose anyone willing to travel the 300+ miles to stay over night in a hotel and attend a basketball game has to be a little nuts ;)
Sounds like the idiot that sat behind me at the 2001 Purdue game and called Raitis a goon.
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
Quote from: VU75 on December 08, 2013, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
Better than Cub fans who have no idea why they are in Wrigley Field in the first place except to enjoy the atmosphere. You can enjoy the atmosphere and win in St Louis. ;D
Also, FYI, there are many "good" posters on the SLU board who deserve and give respect. Yes, there are some very arrogant catholic school boy types but finding a "good" Saint Louis (BTW, they prefer to spell the University with the "Saint" and not "St." and I choose to respect that because it distinguishes the school from the Cardinals, Rams, Blues, etc.) poster is like finding a piece of gold in a cave.
Quote from: VU75 on December 08, 2013, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
Careful, the arbitrators of class might come after you... Drunk Tony LaRussa is going to hunt you down with his car.
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 07:21:20 PM
Quote from: VU75 on December 08, 2013, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
Careful, the arbitrators of class might come after you... Drunk Tony LaRussa is going to hunt you down with his car.
I always bring my dog when I'm near Tony LaRussa. That way he sobers up and won't hit a dog. ;)
BTW, Tony made the mistake of sleeping it off in his car with it running at a stoplight in the middle of the night. Wonder how many people would have continued to drive and caused a fatal accident.
Never mind, I should not try and defend his actions. He should have never even started the car. I wonder how many of us have made a very similar mistake in judgement but never got caught.
I have uploaded a set of more than 40 photos from the game, such as the two below. Since there has been discussion about attendance and enthusiasm, I have included more crowd pictures in this set. (I hope some of you who were at the game spot yourselves.) The photographs can be found at the following: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157638495279424/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157638495279424/)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/25u0axh.jpg)
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Quote from: VU75 on December 08, 2013, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
I second this Cardinal fan statement! The SLU board just seems like another crowd of Butler people...
Quote from: valpotx on December 09, 2013, 03:18:39 PMThe SLU board just seems like another crowd of Butler people...
whoa whoa whoa...let's not say things we can't take back.
...thinking...
ok, you're right.
Quote from: truth219 on December 07, 2013, 10:20:05 PM I'm going to say this and Im not going to be liked for it but Jordan Coleman attempts some layups he has no business attempting. He looks like a clown sometimes. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk
Quote from: truth219 on December 07, 2013, 10:25:58 PM The one moment tonight that sticks out was when we cut the lead to 4 for the first time. Back to back possessions Coleman blew attempts to score one being an airball dunk. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk
You're right, Truth219, I don't like people that take cheep shots at our players, your comment was out of line and without merit. I also would think that someone calling themselves the "Truth" would be better informed. What you attribute to looking like a clown is what happens when you drive to the basket and have a couple of big bodies crash into you, often while you're in the air. Sometimes you get the call, sometimes not. He didn't look like a clown when he hit those two shots from the line down the stretch.If you look at the replay on the alley oop play (what you call the airball dunk) the pass was too far from the basket for the play to be successful. Try to imagine yourself sprinting to the basket trying to locate the ball in the air through all the big bodies down low, jumping to catch the ball, turning in mid air to locate the basket, and dunk the ball all and in a fraction of a second. If the pass isn't close enough to the basket, there isn't enough time to adjust to lay the ball up or come down without traveling. Since when do we degrade our players for mistakes on the court, let alone when the fault was not their own?!I rarely post, I'm just too lazy, and I generally enjoy reading what others have to say about the team, but your post was way out of line. Calling our players derogatory names diminishes this forum and yourself.
Quote from: Hoosier Expatriate on December 09, 2013, 09:00:51 PMI don't like people that take cheep shots
such people are bird brains
Quote from: valpotx on December 09, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: VU75 on December 08, 2013, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
I second this Cardinal fan statement! The SLU board just seems like another crowd of Butler people...
What's sad is that SLU fans are obnoxious despite having 5 NCAA tournament wins in their history. FIVE! (FWIW, Butler also had five tournament wins ... in 2010 and five more in 2011). SLU has never won two games in the same tournament ... something Valpo did in '98. Feel free to use that as ammunition when you spar with those wannabe posers. There's a reason the Big East picked Creighton instead of them.
Quote from: VU75 on December 08, 2013, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 08, 2013, 12:01:09 PMSLU fans seem to have a weird superiority complex...
Don't forget most are Cardinal fans, the most obnoxious in baseball.
Was thinking the same thing as I read this thread. Sounds like St Louis NCAAM fans are just as odious as St Louis MLB fans. Arrogant, sanctimonious, supercilious dipwads.
Quote from: rink on December 09, 2013, 10:18:55 PMSounds like St Louis NCAAM fans are just as odious as St Louis MLB fans. Arrogant, sanctimonious, supercilious dipwads.
At least the Cardinals win consistently and are one of the top franchises in the MLB.