Oakland's Kampe eager to reestablish rivalry with Crusaders
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/oakland-s-kampe-eager-to-reestablish-rivalry-with-crusaders/article_6d8e8f5e-7ef6-5a94-9097-1f0c019ec466.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/oakland-s-kampe-eager-to-reestablish-rivalry-with-crusaders/article_6d8e8f5e-7ef6-5a94-9097-1f0c019ec466.html)
Tough game to call, but I think our road woes continue:
Oakland 74
Valpo 70
More likely that OU wins on a last second Bader three, 81-80. It would seem to preserve the karma of the recent Valpo/Oakland games.
Kampe previews Valpo game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-HTvB9w5ME&feature=c4-overview&list=UUDmIJ8b4pOCUV-I24AxEYHQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-HTvB9w5ME&feature=c4-overview&list=UUDmIJ8b4pOCUV-I24AxEYHQ)
So if we play man who do we stick on Bader? Who guards the three best on this team? Not sure I can answer that.
Valpo wins 90-83, neither team puts up much in the way of defense and this one becomes a shoot out.
Edit: anyone know if this game is on espn3 today?
Vegas has us as +1 on the road vs. Oakland. I watched their first half against Wright State. I think Carter will stick Bader. He has the quickness and pesky hands that will frustrate Bader. Don't know if he can run through or avoid all the screens that Bader will use. Also Bader maybe too physical. If Carter doesn't work I try a bigger more physical approach in Jubril. Coleman's length and agility might be a good option too.
I think the Barlow experiment will serve us well against Bader. It was Dority and Carter on him when in man to man.
Quote from: vu72 on January 04, 2014, 09:18:13 AMthe Barlow experiment
good point, and I agree. also, band name.
further:
You, Bader, watch out; you, Bader, not cry.
You, Bader, not pout. I'm telling you why:
Valparaiso's coming
to town.
Road crowd for Valpo is usually really good in Oakland....especially now that they are in our league again.
The energy will be high in the O-rena. Always a fun game and fun to watch Kampe get frustrated.
Valpo 78 Oakland 71
This team will turn the corner...but not tonight.
Oakland 83
VU 76
Paul
On fire right now :thumbsup:
We are shooting well from the floor. Most of our shots are coming from distance. I miss having an offensive threat down low.
Keep it up guys, get the road W! We've only seen them once since they joined the Legue and I already can't stand Kampe or Oakland.
7 fouls to none?? :-X
2nd half is underway and Valpo has 7 team fouls. Oakland will be shooting free throws with over 14 minutes to play. This may come back to hurt us.
What is with all the charge calls against us. ... Did these refs hear the new rules?
4 fouls just like that
Duke Mondy needs to foul out already
wow, they take the lead by 1 with 3 minutes to play.
What a joke Carter....what a joke
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Not his fault we lost before that final possession. It was over when Bader hit that deep 3.
Complete offensive collapse in the 2nd half. Coleman and Williams completely disappeared. The Keith Carter thing at the end is beyond explanation.
I'm going to say something I normally would never say, but this one is on Bryce.
This loss is on coaching. We were up 15 with 12:40 left, and still chucking 3s early in the shot clock. We get down 3 with 45 seconds left, and our designed play is an off balance 3 from Dority with a guy in his face? Come on Bryce, you have to do better than that in clutch time. Design a play to take it to the basket to get it down to 1, and then you have to foul. Even if we made that extremely crappy shot, they still get the last shot of the game. Put it on them to win it from the FT line, after our team dominated ALL game. The players did well, and were let down by the coach in the time where a good coach is supposed to shine...
inconsistent refs (like 5 charges called) - 7 straight calls then 6 straight calls
everyone shoots well against us
forgot that we were down with 12 left
we really did not look bad ... glimmers of greatness until the last 3 minutes.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on January 04, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
Not his fault we lost before that final possession. It was over when Bader hit that deep 3.
How do you say its not his fault...12.5 left down 5 and he runs the clock down.
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I also didn't say it was Carter's fault.
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Tough to win on the road. I agree the coaching helped in our downfall tonight, well that and giving them multiple attempts several times late in that second half. Badger hit some crazy 3s and Mondy "allegedly" had a really good game. Learn from it and beat WSU next week!
Quote from: truth219 on January 04, 2014, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on January 04, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
Not his fault we lost before that final possession. It was over when Bader hit that deep 3.
How do you say its not his fault...12.5 left down 5 and he runs the clock down.
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Carter was dribbling to a certain spot on the court because the other players were running a called set play. Don't blame him, he did was was called upon him to do at the moment. There was a double screen being attempted on the other side but obviously didn't work out and didn't really make sense to me.
Is Bobby's role diminishing?
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For the most part we played very good defense and our offensive flow was disciplined and gave us open looks which we were hitting. Put all of that together and we still earn a road loss. ???
The officiating was even and not a factor but once again it seemed to be last years rule interpretation. My question to the HL would be which set of rules do you want us to follow?
Bryce also shut down Lexus in the 2nd half. He goes from starring in the first half to a fill-in role in the 2nd. Why?
Why the heck would you run a double screen set play when down 5 and 12 seconds left? You go to the hoop or take a quick 3, whether someone is in your face or not, in that circumstance.
When Lexus gets hot, let the young man run. He's got confidence, let him play til he needs a break. He makes things happen.
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I missed the game but a quick check of the boxscore tells me they scored 18 points the last 6 minutes. 5 3 pointers and 3 free throws, all from Bader and Monday. Yikes. Sounds like the perimeter defense was our downfall today.
Yep, we decided to reverse the trend and play well in the first half, and not as well in the second half. For only reasons our team can understand, we decided to play off of Bader more in the second half, and leave Mondy wide open for uncontested 3s. I had us losing this one anyways, but it should have been a W. We will beat them at home, but could have swept...
Quote from: valpo4life on January 04, 2014, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: truth219 on January 04, 2014, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on January 04, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
Not his fault we lost before that final possession. It was over when Bader hit that deep 3.
How do you say its not his fault...12.5 left down 5 and he runs the clock down.
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Carter was dribbling to a certain spot on the court because the other players were running a called set play. Don't blame him, he did was was called upon him to do at the moment. There was a double screen being attempted on the other side but obviously didn't work out and didn't really make sense to me.
You have to go the full length of the court and score twice in 12 seconds. There isn't time to "slow up" and wait for one screen, let alone a double. There was only one option at that point - rush the ball down the court, throw up a prayer, hope it goes in, foul and hope they miss, then hit another prayer. I only hope you're wrong. Otherwise, that would be the most ridiculous play call I've ever heard of in that situation.
Quote from: valpotx on January 04, 2014, 07:10:03 PMWe were up 15 with 12:40 left, and still chucking 3s early in the shot clock.
The only early shot clock 3 that I can remember that came completely out of the offensive flow was from Peters at about the 8 minute mark. Freshman mistake that he will catch hell over. (Even though it was makeable). This was the most disciplined that we have played this season and I really like our go-small for HL play lineup and rotation. If only we had one true center with post up moves.
I'm really upset with this lose. You can say any old excuse but valpo blew it.
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Quote from: valpotx on January 04, 2014, 07:10:03 PM
This loss is on coaching. We were up 15 with 12:40 left, and still chucking 3s early in the shot clock. We get down 3 with 45 seconds left, and our designed play is an off balance 3 from Dority with a guy in his face? Come on Bryce, you have to do better than that in clutch time. Design a play to take it to the basket to get it down to 1, and then you have to foul. Even if we made that extremely crappy shot, they still get the last shot of the game. Put it on them to win it from the FT line, after our team dominated ALL game. The players did well, and were let down by the coach in the time where a good coach is supposed to shine...
I'm not sure that's the way Bryce drew it up...Lavonte should have never taken it, but he likes to take shots.
Quote from: justducky on January 04, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 04, 2014, 07:10:03 PMWe were up 15 with 12:40 left, and still chucking 3s early in the shot clock.
The only early shot clock 3 that I can remember that came completely out of the offensive flow was from Peters at about the 8 minute mark. Freshman mistake that he will catch hell over. (Even though it was makeable). This was the most disciplined that we have played this season and I really like our go-small for HL play lineup and rotation. If only we had one true center with post up moves.
I liked it - maybe even loved it - in the 2nd half of the UIC game and the 1st half of the Oakland game when we were hitting a lot of uncontested perimeter shots. Once Oakland made a half time decision to play some perimeter defense I didn't like it as much. I have a feeling Bryce didn't either and that musical chair rotations will continue on.
We shot 13 3's in the 1st half and shot 10 3's in the 2nd half. So the stats do not suggest we threw up a bunch of bad 3's in the 2nd half. This would lead me to believe that more of our shots came inside the 3 point line. Yet, Oakland got to the free throw line 23 times in the 2nd half while valpo only made it to the foul line 9 times. If we weren't chucking up a lot of 3's we must of somewhat been going to the basket, right? If that is the case, why the foul desparity in the 2nd half?
I didn't get a chance to watch the game. Where we settling for mid-range jumpers while Oakland was attacking hard to the basket? Were they in good defensive position on our drives while we were in bad defensive position on their drives? Just trying to wrap my mind around the stats...
Usually when both teams are attacking the basket the fouls should be about even.
This was a 3 point shoot out. It came down to whoever could score more 3 pointers and unfortunately, Bader prevailed in the end.
I am a relatively new fan, so I don't pretend to know it all but I think that this team is better than the "live by the 3, die by the 3" situation it is currently playing in. We need Jubril to develop faster so we can go to him in the paint when the 3 is not falling.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 04, 2014, 08:30:32 PMWhere we settling for mid-range jumpers while Oakland was attacking hard to the basket? Were they in good defensive position on our drives while we were in bad defensive position on their drives?
About when Coleman got his 4'th foul Mondy started taking it hard to the hole and getting fouled in the process. That in itself created some of the foul disparity. Peters was also called for 2 charges where the defender was still moving and unless he pushed off they shouldn't have been fouls this year or last year. Yes the Oakland defense decided to take away some of our open looks from 3 and we went inside more for open 12 foot jumpers and contested drives to the bucket. Bader was 5 of 10 from 3 and Mondy was 4 for 4. Not sure if either of them was given a completely wide open 3 shot (closer than 23.5 feet) in any of their 14 shots taken.
The last post makes good sense to me. I saw parts of the game and agree that we have the athletes to go to the hoop more often and force them out of their 3-pointers. Couldn't believe Bader hit that one 3 where he was literally jumping sideways to his right. Sometimes it just happens.
Well, at least we have something new to complain about. No terrible start this time but rather one of our better halves. So instead of being in a huge hole we built a big lead only to collapse. I didn't get to see the second half and I guess it was a good thing.
Quote from: HC on January 04, 2014, 07:13:25 PMBadger hit some crazy 3s
Best autocorrect ever.
I think he had a very good game (although I don't think he is the 1st team HLer on their roster) and maybe classof2014 will concede that now? :/
Quote from: truth219 on January 04, 2014, 07:15:17 PMIs Bobby's role diminishing?
It's the moment you singular have been waiting for! :) (I hope not--perhaps just a confluence of events and circumstance)
I really hope Bryce knows what he's doing with his substitutions, but it doesn't seem that he's figured it out yet. Heck, last year when it seemed the clearest as far as established players with established roles, it still was a bit hectic at times.
I missed that auto correct but caught the one hat changed his name to Nader. I think this team needs to find its identity on defense. If you want to be a zone team do it and practice it and become good at it. If you want to be a man team, do it. This team doesn't seem capable (maybe due to youth, inexperience, still learning each other) to switch between the two.
It's very tough to win any game on the road in this league, hopefully blowing this opportunity won't bite us in the butt later on.
If we didn't shoot above our 3pt percentage, we would have lost by more. We need to find some offense in the post.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 05, 2014, 07:12:28 AM
Quote from: HC on January 04, 2014, 07:13:25 PMBadger hit some crazy 3s
Best autocorrect ever.
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This was a tough game to swallow and digest because Valpo played pretty well, especially for a road game: 50% field goal and 43.5% 3-point shooting. The free throw shooting was not too bad (take out Vashil's 0-2 and the rest of the team shot 75%), although Valpo had 9 fewer free throws, and it hurt that 5 of the 6 misses happened in the second half.
However, as questionable as the officiating might have been at times, I don't blame them for the disparity. Oakland took more shots and had more possessions to allow them to be fouled...and there again lies the difference in the game, especially in the second half: Turnovers! The Crusaders did a decent job of handling the ball with 12 turnovers; however, they committed 7 in the second half while Oakland had an unheard of number of 0 turnovers in the second half. Zero!
I give credit to Oakland for the zero turnovers and clutch 3-point shooting in the second half, a couple of them almost impossible; but I still look at this game as a lost opportunity Valpo should have won. If I had been told beforehand the shooting percentages for Valpo and that they would commit just 12 turnovers, I would have expected a win. This loss could stick in the craw as the conference standings sort out during the season.
I wasn't able to watch the second half or press conference, but was there any reason for the lack of playing time for Bobby? Any injury or just playing poorly? It just seems odd that in a game where Valpo seemed to lack an interior offensive presence (5 pts combined from Moose, Vashil, and Jubril) that Bobby would only get 12 minutes of playing time. Even with his recent struggles he is still averaging 7.9 ppg and has shown the ability to score inside, even though some of his acrobatic shots are a bit miraculous.
Questions going forward:
How are we going to get more/any scoring in the post? If we don't, we are going to lose a lot of HL games by 4-8 points.
How do we get more drives to the basket from Williams/Carter/Dority? Lots of short benches in the HL. In order to win we must get to the foul line and simultaniously get the other teams in foul trouble.
Playing Time, who gets it, when and why? Williams was on fire in the 1st half and Carter ended up with more minutes in the game. We got virtually no scoring from the post, yet we don't give bobby any minutes at the 5 despite him showing an ability to score down low all of last season.
Should we Press the whole game, or some of it? If we are going to have a deep rotation with lots of substutions that limit the playing time of some very good players, why not apply pressure the entire game and wear teams down? We even have big men playing safety who are capable of blocking shots if the press gets broken. Perhaps we are simply not a good press team and Bryce knows it?
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 05, 2014, 12:13:04 PMHow are we going to get more/any scoring in the post? If we don't, we are going to lose a lot of HL games by 4-8 points.
How do we get more drives to the basket from Williams/Carter/Dority? Lots of short benches in the HL. In order to win we must get to the foul line and simultaniously get the other teams in foul trouble.
Playing Time, who gets it, when and why? Williams was on fire in the 1st half and Carter ended up with more minutes in the game. We got virtually no scoring from the post, yet we don't give bobby any minutes at the 5 despite him showing an ability to score down low all of last season.
Should we Press the whole game, or some of it? If we are going to have a deep rotation with lots of substutions that limit the playing time of some very good players, why not apply pressure the entire game and wear teams down? We even have big men playing safety who are capable of blocking shots if the press gets broken. Perhaps we are simply not a good press team and Bryce knows it?
All are good questions and points that I have been wanting to address. Your 1'st and 3'rd questions I will try to combine because Bobby may be a centerpiece in the answers to both. Because the HL features mainly smaller quicker lineups which will require more play at the 3 from Coleman (and less from Peters), Capo with his ballhandling limitations should almost never play the 4 unless Jordan is at the 3. This would suggest to me that Bobby could slide over to the 5 for 10+ minutes per game as long as his additional point production could outweigh the lost rebounds and surrendered points that this move might cost. So maybe this would be a wash but it is something that might rack up some fouls on the oppositions centers and reduce our turnovers in the process.
Your second point concerns our guards reluctance and abilities to drive the lane. Part of this is some of the defenses we have seen and some of it seems to be the refs going back to calling charges again instead of the blocks that they clearly would have been in our first six or seven game. This subtle return to the old rules is working against us (because of our depth) and we should be raising hell about it at every opportunity. If Carter could consistently get the same blocking calls that Dority and Williams were receiving a month ago then our penetration game could open up big time. It is as if somebody called a truce on the "war of attrition".
A coaches only concern about playing time now should be to get the right combinations of people in the right rotations to best exploit our team strengths against their teams weaknesses. Bruised egos will heal pretty quickly as long as the team is winning.
With Carter now in the fold the use of some full court pressure after made baskets would seem like something we should be able to do reasonably well. You should all have noticed that our man to man play has been looking much better, but I have to wonder if Yeo is quick enough or healthy enough to contribute a few minutes were we to get into a protracted pressure and running game. On the other hand just the use of so many freshman and newcomers for a pressure style attack might be counterproductive towards the goal of teaching half court offensive discipline.
Quote from: justducky on January 05, 2014, 10:22:53 PMthe HL features mainly smaller quicker lineups
I don't dispute the truth of this statement.
However, I would suggest that there are two schools of thought--one is do what they are doing, and one is do what you want to do--i.e. field a lineup disparate from theirs and exploit mismatches before they exploit yours and so force them to change what they do to avoid getting run off the court.
Obviously the second one promises greater results but at greater risk (they see your bigger slower and go even smaller faster, perhaps). Just a philosophical coaching question.
(It always comes back to Nintendo Ice Hockey, right?)
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 06, 2014, 06:46:21 AM
Quote from: justducky on January 05, 2014, 10:22:53 PMthe HL features mainly smaller quicker lineups
I don't dispute the truth of this statement.
However, I would suggest that there are two schools of thought--one is do what they are doing, and one is do what you want to do--i.e. field a lineup disparate from theirs and exploit mismatches before they exploit yours and so force them to change what they do to avoid getting run off the court.
Obviously the second one promises greater results but at greater risk (they see your bigger slower and go even smaller faster, perhaps). Just a philosophical coaching question.
(It always comes back to Nintendo Ice Hockey, right?)
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I agree with playing your game and making the opponent adapt to YOUR style. Also, I love the Ice Hockey reference...loved those fat guys and their power shot.
Keep in mind, Valpo won league championship after league championship while having the biggest lineup in the league year after year. It also helped that guys like Ensminger, Viskovic, and Grafs were also the most talented big men in the league as well.
The 2nd half at Oakland was nowhere near as bad as the 1st half against UIC. The last 12.9 seconds still defies explanation from my point of view, but the game was pretty much over by then anyway. It looked stupid, but it was not a choke. What killed Valpo was Travis Bader feeling it from super long range. I'm sure Valpo could have played better in the 2nd half, but it was hardly a poor performance.
Quote from: chef on January 06, 2014, 11:36:59 AMguys like Ensminger, Viskovic, and Grafs
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Quote from: StlVUFan on January 07, 2014, 07:27:44 AM
The 2nd half at Oakland was nowhere near as bad as the 1st half against UIC. The last 12.9 seconds still defies explanation from my point of view, but the game was pretty much over by then anyway. It looked stupid, but it was not a choke. What killed Valpo was Travis Bader feeling it from super long range. I'm sure Valpo could have played better in the 2nd half, but it was hardly a poor performance.
I guess "poor" is in the eye of the beholder. We scored 26 points in the 2nd half, our lowest scoring 2nd half this season. We failed to score a FG for 2 4-minute spans after the 12-minute mark. Lexus and Jordan went scoreless in the 2nd half after double figures by both in the 1st. We missed almost all of our FT attempts. If this isn't our worst 2nd half of the year it sure has to be close.
could it have been great defense. Kampe's teams are know for great defense, right. Or it could have been that kid that would only ave 10 points a game if he played for Valpo. You know, the one who has made 37 of his last 66 threes.
Quote from: Grizz on January 07, 2014, 01:09:38 PM
could it have been great defense. Kampe's teams are know for great defense, right. Or it could have been that kid that would only ave 10 points a game if he played for Valpo. You know, the one who has made 37 of his last 66 threes.
Candidly, I would say it was great coaching by Kampe. We did pretty much what we wanted in the first half and Kampe made adjustments that shut down key elements of our attack. Bryce didn't make similar adjustments.
Quote from: Grizz on January 07, 2014, 01:09:38 PM
could it have been great defense. Kampe's teams are know for great defense, right. Or it could have been that kid that would only ave 10 points a game if he played for Valpo. You know, the one who has made 37 of his last 66 threes.
I assume from your comment that someone on our board said that Bader would only average 10 points if he played for us, but that is not my belief. That said Bader scored 20 points in 40 minutes, which is slightly below average for him. I never once thought, 'gee, I hope Bader doesn't hit his average or we're in trouble.' I was just hoping he didn't go off on us (which he is very capable of) and carry his team to victory singlehandedly, which he did not. If anyone went off on us it was Mondy, who went 4-4 from 3. That had to be completely unexpected by our scouting report. Prior to this game the most 3-pt. FG's he hit in his 12 games was 3 (1 time). In fact, he didn't have a single 3-pt FG in 7 of 12 games prior to Saturday.
As to our low scoring 2nd half, Kampe, by his own admission, has never been a defensive-minded coach. Also, by his admission, the Summit (Mid Con) is not a defensive focused league. Believe me, we had a big adjustment to make on the defensive end when we joined the Horizon League before we were able to win our first league championship. Even now, there are at least 3 HL teams that are much better defensively than Valpo, including WSU, CSU and GB. Oakland's perimeter defense in the first half Saturday was as soft as any Valpo opponent this season - sorry, but that's the truth. It was much better in the second half, but nothing more than we are accustomed to. We should have been able to make adjustments, but we failed to respond and lost the game as a result.
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2014, 02:25:50 PMIf anyone went off on us it was Mondy, who went 4-4 from 3. That had to be completely unexpected by our scouting report.
I have no specific numbers in front of me but the whole flow of the game seemed to change when Coleman got his 4'th foul (around 8:30 mark). After that Mondy took it repeatedly to the hole for baskets and free throws. The loss of Coleman may have helped stall our point production also. As many rough edges as Jordan has in his game he is a senior who can do some things at the 3 position that no one else on this team can.
Quote from: justducky on January 07, 2014, 04:02:20 PMQuote from: wh on January 07, 2014, 02:25:50 PMIf anyone went off on us it was Mondy, who went 4-4 from 3. That had to be completely unexpected by our scouting report.
I have no specific numbers in front of me but the whole flow of the game seemed to change when Coleman got his 4'th foul (around 8:30 mark). After that Mondy took it repeatedly to the hole for baskets and free throws. The loss of Coleman may have helped stall our point production also. As many rough edges as Jordan has in his game he is a senior who can do some things at the 3 position that no one else on this team can.
And yet at almost the same period of time Mondy was playing with 4 fouls also.
Quote from: historyman on January 07, 2014, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: justducky on January 07, 2014, 04:02:20 PMQuote from: wh on January 07, 2014, 02:25:50 PMIf anyone went off on us it was Mondy, who went 4-4 from 3. That had to be completely unexpected by our scouting report.
I have no specific numbers in front of me but the whole flow of the game seemed to change when Coleman got his 4'th foul (around 8:30 mark). After that Mondy took it repeatedly to the hole for baskets and free throws. The loss of Coleman may have helped stall our point production also. As many rough edges as Jordan has in his game he is a senior who can do some things at the 3 position that no one else on this team can.
And yet at almost the same period of time Mondy was playing with 4 fouls also.
Mondy is an all league quality player. Currently third is assists and first in steals by a wide margin. Against Michigan State he went for 24 points 6 boards and 7 steals. Also 3 of 5 from the 3 and played the entire game.
Quote from: historyman on January 07, 2014, 04:22:51 PMAnd yet at almost the same period of time Mondy was playing with 4 fouls also.
I had already forgotten that. So who did we have in the game that should have been exploiting his foul situation by taking it right to him? Somebody refresh my memory but who did we put in front of him on defense when he started to attack the rim? Was this a coaching oversight that might have changed the game?
Quote from: justducky on January 07, 2014, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: historyman on January 07, 2014, 04:22:51 PMAnd yet at almost the same period of time Mondy was playing with 4 fouls also.
I had already forgotten that. So who did we have in the game that should have been exploiting his foul situation by taking it right to him? Somebody refresh my memory but who did we put in front of him on defense when he started to attack the rim? Was this a coaching oversight that might have changed the game?
Petros also had 4 fouls
Quote from: vu72 on January 07, 2014, 04:49:22 PMPetros also had 4 fouls
Yes but Petros didn't beat us, and even if we had fouled him out of the game who would we have posted up for easy baskets?
I'm sure others saw this on Twitter, but it sounds like Oakland is having to move their band from where they were located during the Valpo game.
why is that?
I believe they were seated right next to the Valpo bench. Remember a few years back when Valpo's band would come onto the court and point their instruments right at the opponents huddle? HL put a stop to that after Butler complained (courtesy of Valpo band lead Josh Russell). There is a rule somewhere about where the band/student section can be located.
Coach Kampe is taking questions for his post game radio show tomorrow with Dakich as a guest. You can tweet him Qs at #askkampe. He responded to one today about whether the reffing has been different pre-conf v HL games. he said "different than non-leaguer or sure. Maybe refs adjustment period." Dakich said during Mich State game tnite that what is a point of emphasis in November is often forgotten by January. FWIW.
By the way, the Oakland TV broadcast team took "instant" replay to a whole new level in Saturday's game. Every replay after a made Oakland basket was shown while the action continued sight unseen at Valpo's end of the court. When they did return to live action, the camera was focused on the Oakland player who scored rather than the action on the court. To avoid being unduly harsh to what might be college students doing the best they can, I'll just say that I've never seen that done anywhere else.
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
By the way, the Oakland TV broadcast team took "instant" replay to a whole new level in Saturday's game. Every replay after a made Oakland basket was shown while the action continued sight unseen at Valpo's end of the court. When they did return to live action, the camera was focused on the Oakland player who scored rather than the action on the court. To avoid being unduly harsh to what might be college students doing the best they can, I'll just say that I've never seen that done anywhere else.
I've seen it tons of times watching HLN games at the Nutter Center, just to name one. Oakland is hardly the only one that does that.
Yes, it is absolutely infuriating. On that, I absolutely agree.
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2014, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 07, 2014, 07:27:44 AM
The 2nd half at Oakland was nowhere near as bad as the 1st half against UIC. The last 12.9 seconds still defies explanation from my point of view, but the game was pretty much over by then anyway. It looked stupid, but it was not a choke. What killed Valpo was Travis Bader feeling it from super long range. I'm sure Valpo could have played better in the 2nd half, but it was hardly a poor performance.
I guess "poor" is in the eye of the beholder. We scored 26 points in the 2nd half, our lowest scoring 2nd half this season. We failed to score a FG for 2 4-minute spans after the 12-minute mark. Lexus and Jordan went scoreless in the 2nd half after double figures by both in the 1st. We missed almost all of our FT attempts. If this isn't our worst 2nd half of the year it sure has to be close.
Ah, but it was nowhere near our worst half of basketball. Tons of 1st halves were far worse. I still consider this game to be a step in the right direction.
Oh, and we missed 5 of 9 FTs in the 2nd half, which is more like "we missed *half* our FT attempts."
Has anyone seen a full replay of the Oakland game on HLN yet? I would like to see the game, and it is after the January 1st start of replays date now. Where is the game? I can only see highlights on the app.
Quote from: valporun on January 08, 2014, 05:17:25 PM
Has anyone seen a full replay of the Oakland game on HLN yet? I would like to see the game, and it is after the January 1st start of replays date now. Where is the game? I can only see highlights on the app.
I can't find a direct link, but I just went to this page http://www.horizonleague.org/video.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/video.html) and it was 11th video listed. Right next to the highlights from the game. Hope that helps.
Tonight against Milwaukee Bader went 0-9 on field goals. As hot as they were against Valpo, Bader and Mondy were frigid against Milwaukee. The two were a combined 0-14 from the 3-point line as the Panthers won at Oakland. What a difference! ???
Quote from: valpopal on January 08, 2014, 08:39:09 PM
Tonight against Milwaukee Bader went 0-9 on field goals. As hot as they were against Valpo, Bader and Mondy were frigid against Milwaukee. The two were a combined 0-14 from the 3-point line as the Panthers won at Oakland. What a difference! ???
Live by the three, die by the three. Inconsistent in that they can lose/beat anyone.
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By the way, what kind of BS is it that our game at Oakland was the only one that had their band next to our players? They have to change it for all future conference home games. The HL wasn't able to view any other games of theirs before ours, to make them adhere to the league rules? I know that it didn't cause us to lose, but you have to think it put us at a little more of a disadvantage in hearing our coach, versus what other HL teams will now be up against.
Anyone have any idea in regards to their PA guy saying, 'you can't do that,' and crap like that? That seems like taunting by an official from the home school, which I have to imagine is against league rules as well?
Oakland behaves and acts like a low mid-major league member like the the Summit League
Thanks, Eddie. I guess the app is unreliable for getting game replays?
Quote from: valpo64 on January 09, 2014, 03:31:57 PM
Oakland behaves and acts like a low mid-major league member like the the Summit League
...and, where's the enthusiasm from their fan base for their new league? They drew 1427 last night against Milwaukee.
Here's how we drew at home against conference opponents in our first year:
3945 Milw
4197 GB
4008 UIC
4578 Loyola
5432 Butler
3338 CSU
3689 YSU
3110 Detroit
4935 WSU
Isn't the first year of a new marriage supposed to be the best?
Oakland's home attendance of 2,882 per game doesn't look bad until you realized they drew more fans for their "home" game at The Palace vs. MSU than they have in the other 8 home games at the O'rena. Looks like 1,000 to 1,500 is their norm ... 2,700 for the Valpo game is a clear outlier at this point.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 09, 2014, 06:04:22 PM
Oakland's home attendance of 2,882 per game doesn't look bad until you realized they drew more fans for their "home" game at The Palace vs. MSU than they have in the other 8 home games at the O'rena. Looks like 1,000 to 1,500 is their norm ... 2,700 for the Valpo game is a clear outlier at this point.
Their gym looks pretty small but couldn't find any capacity stats on line. Anybody know??
Quote from: vu72 on January 09, 2014, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 09, 2014, 06:04:22 PM
Oakland's home attendance of 2,882 per game doesn't look bad until you realized they drew more fans for their "home" game at The Palace vs. MSU than they have in the other 8 home games at the O'rena. Looks like 1,000 to 1,500 is their norm ... 2,700 for the Valpo game is a clear outlier at this point.
Their gym looks pretty small but couldn't find any capacity stats on line. Anybody know??
4005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_Center_O'rena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_Center_O'rena)
Nice place to see a game. Not a bad seat in the house.
Quote from: wh on January 09, 2014, 07:10:31 PMNot a bad seat in the house.
we'll see if their band continues to agree with that statement...
For anyone who wants to spend their Friday afternoons trolling opposing coaches, i give you LIVE CHAT!!!
12 PM (CST) Ray McCallum
http://live.freep.com/Event/Chat_with_UDM_basketball_coach_Ray_McCallum_3 (http://live.freep.com/Event/Chat_with_UDM_basketball_coach_Ray_McCallum_3)
and
1 PM (CST) Greg Kampe
http://live.freep.com/Event/Chat_with_Oakland_U_basketball_coach_Greg_Kampe_5 (http://live.freep.com/Event/Chat_with_Oakland_U_basketball_coach_Greg_Kampe_5)
you're welcome ;)
Things are no different in the Orena than the last 4-5 years you guys have been in there except now the logos are horizon teams and the band had to move. Athletics has dropped the ball substantially and attendance has suffered at home. The difference is almost no student involvement. I'm an alum who has enjoyed playing you guys for over 10 years now and look forward to a continued rivalry. Come to the Orena some time. As someone said, not a bad seat in the house and a nice venue.
McCallum chat highlights (if this was one of you guys I want to give you a high five):
QuoteShould Ray Jr. have stayed at U-D rather than sit on the bench in Sacramento?
by mrfrisky 1:14 PM
It was a goal and dream of his to play at the next level and he is happy with his choice. As his father and his coach, I supported his decision
by Coach Ray McCallum 1:16 PM
EDIT: can't miss a chance to post:
6 GP, 2.5 min avg, 2 points on 1-7 shootingHe also addressed the recent impactful news of Chris Jenkins, a transfer from Colorado (whose only notable basketball alum I can think of is Chauncey Billups):
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Chris is a versatile player and is on our official roster. He is strong and a good all-around defensive player. He comes from a great program and we're excited to have him join the UDM family.
by Coach Ray McCallum 1:09 PM
http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2014/1/8/mbb_0108143937.aspx (http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2014/1/8/mbb_0108143937.aspx)
remains to be seen if he's eligible immediately...
Kampe chat highlights:
QuoteWith a new, tougher conference schedule, will you be keeping the same style of brutally tough non-conference schedule
?
by davidlingholm 2:06 PM
No, I hope to back it down from 6-7 BCS games to about 4. We're still going to try and play a difficult schedule against great BCS teams, in the toughest, best arenas in the country, just not as many in a given year.
by Coach Kampe 2:07 PM
QuoteIs Ryan Bass back with the team?
by Grizz 2:09 PM
When will Ryan Bass begin playing?
by OU Alumni 2:09 PM
A press release will be going out later today on Ryan. I will be quoted in it, so I need to wait until that comes out before I can say anything about it.
by Coach Kampe 2:10 PM
Quote
Is [sic] there any confirmed teams for next years schedule
?
by Grizz 2:14 PM
Iowa State and MSU on the road, and we are hosting an exempt tournament for the first time ever, which includes Chicago State, Georgia State (yes the return of shoeless Ron Hunter), and Western Carolina, all
visiting the O'rena in November. THREE November home games! And Toledo will be coming in as well that month.
by Coach Kampe 2:16 PM
QuoteAs we saw last game, Bader was getting good looks and they just weren't dropping, how do you adjust your game plan and play calls based on that since Bader is such a huge part of the offense?
by Ben Burrus 2:19 PM
Bader only took 9 shots in the last game. We like it when teams play him like that, it allows us to play 4-on-4 with the other guys. Unfortunately in the last game, everyone else was a combined 21-60. We got good looks, good shots, we just didn't make them. At no point do I want to think we will win or lose based on Travis Bader. We need to win when he's making shots and we need to win when he's missing shots. At one point in that game we led by 11 and he hadn't even taken a shot.
by Coach Kampe 2:21 PM
ben burrus? I know a ben burrus!?!?Quote
I was at the Valpo game, what a great comeback against a solid Valpo team but also a very very young team. How does the OU coaching staff and recruiting team prepare for future recruiting when you see the level Valpo and other young teams could be playing at in a couple of years. How does OU recruiting stay competitive?
by Ben Burrus 2:29 PM
Excellent question. Our first time through this league is going to give us a barometer on what we have to do to become a constant top tier team in the HL. It's scary how good Valpo's freshmen are. I do love our freshman though, two of them you have not seen due to injuries. No one said this was going to be easy and we understand that recruiting is going to be the key. We have doubled our recruiting budget and we are hard at work on it.
by Coach Kampe 2:31 PM
LOLOLOL I WANT TO GET THIS GUY A FREE BEERQuote
Coach, only four Division 1 wins so far this season? Are you concerned about missing the Horizon League tournament?
by Dave 2:36 PM
Uh, Dave. Unless there's something I don't know, everyone makes the HL Tournament. I did think we'd have more than four at this point, but with all the challenges we've faced and who we've played, I'm not viewing that as an indication of how we will finish. What you might not know about Oakland and our history, is over the last six years, we have the best or second best record in the country in the month of February. I see no reason why that is going to change.
by Coach Kampe 2:40 PM
QuoteIf the opportunity came..Would you consider one day coaching in the NBA?
by fring 2:49 PM
I had that chance as an assistant years ago. The one thing I'd like about the NBA game is the play calling. Our offense, I believe, is an NBA-type offense, where we don't use a lot of clock, run quick sets. I know my demeanor would never work there though.
by Coach Kampe 2:50 PM
More questions for Kampe. But is that because he's more fun/quotable, or their program more popular?
Quote from: valpotx on January 09, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
By the way, what kind of BS is it that our game at Oakland was the only one that had their band next to our players? They have to change it for all future conference home games. The HL wasn't able to view any other games of theirs before ours, to make them adhere to the league rules? I know that it didn't cause us to lose, but you have to think it put us at a little more of a disadvantage in hearing our coach, versus what other HL teams will now be up against.
I know, that kinda sucks a little. I'm not super bent out of shape about it. because I imagine that making a transition to a new conference is very involved when you get down to the nitty gritty details. I can easily see this one falling through the cracks. Valpo may well be the ones that noticed it and made it known to HQ. Obviously we experienced the same thing 3 years ago and last year, but it's the kind of thing that is way down the list of things Valpo worries about going into their first HL game at the O'Rena.
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Anyone have any idea in regards to their PA guy saying, 'you can't do that,' and crap like that? That seems like taunting by an official from the home school, which I have to imagine is against league rules as well?
I *love* that guy. You want to hear taunting? I listened to the UWM broadcast Wednesday night and at one point, Duke Mondy or someone was angry about a call against him and stared down the ref for a minute or two and the UWM pbp guy was yelling into the mic to the point make me wonder if he could be heard in the arena or not. He was out-and-out-taunting the guy, daring him to get T-ed up.
The PA guy has a few more quirks than the average PA guy maybe, but he's harmless in my opinion. Of course, somebody better warn him he can't do that if OU hosts a tourney game in March. They'll probably love that.
Mind you, the only reason why I am bothered at all by any of this is because the rest of the teams in the HL are not allowed to do stuff like this. If I was commish for a day, I'd repeal this nonsense, especially during the first round of the tourney (and even the whole tourney). Either fully embrace home court advantage or play on a neutral court.
That said, it's hardly a hardship to comply. It's the kind of rule that you rebel against as a teenager *only* because you got used to being allowed to do it.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 10, 2014, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 09, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
By the way, what kind of BS is it that our game at Oakland was the only one that had their band next to our players? They have to change it for all future conference home games. The HL wasn't able to view any other games of theirs before ours, to make them adhere to the league rules? I know that it didn't cause us to lose, but you have to think it put us at a little more of a disadvantage in hearing our coach, versus what other HL teams will now be up against.
I know, that kinda sucks a little. I'm not super bent out of shape about it. because I imagine that making a transition to a new conference is very involved when you get down to the nitty gritty details. I can easily see this one falling through the cracks. Valpo may well be the ones that noticed it and made it known to HQ. Obviously we experienced the same thing 3 years ago and last year, but it's the kind of thing that is way down the list of things Valpo worries about going into their first HL game at the O'Rena.
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Anyone have any idea in regards to their PA guy saying, 'you can't do that,' and crap like that? That seems like taunting by an official from the home school, which I have to imagine is against league rules as well?
I *love* that guy. You want to hear taunting? I listened to the UWM broadcast Wednesday night and at one point, Duke Mondy or someone was angry about a call against him and stared down the ref for a minute or two and the UWM pbp guy was yelling into the mic to the point make me wonder if he could be heard in the arena or not. He was out-and-out-taunting the guy, daring him to get T-ed up.
Kid you not, I had the game on the radio for about 10 minutes at that exact point the other night. I had to turn it off after that stare-down rant. Those guys are insufferable. I get most home announcers are cheerleaders, but these guys are way over the top.
Quote from: a3uge on January 10, 2014, 04:45:40 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 10, 2014, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 09, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
By the way, what kind of BS is it that our game at Oakland was the only one that had their band next to our players? They have to change it for all future conference home games. The HL wasn't able to view any other games of theirs before ours, to make them adhere to the league rules? I know that it didn't cause us to lose, but you have to think it put us at a little more of a disadvantage in hearing our coach, versus what other HL teams will now be up against.
I know, that kinda sucks a little. I'm not super bent out of shape about it. because I imagine that making a transition to a new conference is very involved when you get down to the nitty gritty details. I can easily see this one falling through the cracks. Valpo may well be the ones that noticed it and made it known to HQ. Obviously we experienced the same thing 3 years ago and last year, but it's the kind of thing that is way down the list of things Valpo worries about going into their first HL game at the O'Rena.
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Anyone have any idea in regards to their PA guy saying, 'you can't do that,' and crap like that? That seems like taunting by an official from the home school, which I have to imagine is against league rules as well?
I *love* that guy. You want to hear taunting? I listened to the UWM broadcast Wednesday night and at one point, Duke Mondy or someone was angry about a call against him and stared down the ref for a minute or two and the UWM pbp guy was yelling into the mic to the point make me wonder if he could be heard in the arena or not. He was out-and-out-taunting the guy, daring him to get T-ed up.
Kid you not, I had the game on the radio for about 10 minutes at that exact point the other night. I had to turn it off after that stare-down rant. Those guys are insufferable. I get most home announcers are cheerleaders, but these guys are way over the top.
I was listening to the visitor's pbp. I was not home at the time.