If I was a Milwaukee fan I sure would be upset that Jordan Aaron has already missed several three pointers. How is Milwaukee supposed to win if Aaron takes so many shots and misses most of them. Who cares that the Panthers are on the way to making the NCAA tournament by leading Wright St 19-7 about halfway through the first half. That Jordan just shoots too much!
Huh?
This is the same game as Valpo and GB. Milwaukee getting out to a lead and still somehow the other team is still in it. Milwaukee hitting a good percentage from 3s, something which they did poorly all year.
Looks like the Horizon will send a team that finished with a losing record in conference (has that ever happened?). With the amount of top seeds losing, they'll get a 15 seed and play Kansas or someone pretty decent. But Wright State/Valpo would be in the same position. Truly a down year.
That guy who tackled Tiby should feel lucky that Tiby got held back from coming after him, cause he would've got pummeled
Who would ever have thought that 5-seed Milwaukee would not only beat but absolutely dominate 4-seed Valpo, 1-seed Green Bay (on their home court) and 3-seed Wright State (on their home court) to capture the HL tournament championship. What a great cinderella story. I love it!
Too bad for them, Milwaukee is one of the 2nd round sites... they'll probably be shipped to Saint Louis...and play (as mentioned earlier)... a similar Kansas team that seemed to enjoy playing UDM last year. (CBS's bracketology still has WSU in their bracket as a 15 against Wisconsin in Milwaukee... Nope)...
Donlon to CIT or CBI?
Ah, Jordan Aaron.
18 points, and it took him only 13 shots to get there.
Someday he'll crack the 40% barrier, and then you can all rub it in then. But I'll wait.
They don't call it March Madness for nothing. Great story from worst to first. The team got hot at the right time and they now have the opportunity to make the HL proud. Do I think they'll win? No. Do I think they'll be competitive? Depends on who they're playing. I have nothing against Milwaukee, and couldn't be happier for them.
Congratulation, you guys definitely deserved it.
As for Valpo, time for the CIT's!
Quote from: classof2014 on March 11, 2014, 11:14:29 PM
Do I think they'll win? No. Do I think they'll be competitive? Depends on who they're playing.
If 16... Arizona, Florida, Wichita St, Villanova. If 15... Michigan, Syracuse/Duke/Virginia, or Kansas...
Could be a rough time.
Looking at it right now Milwaukee is almost guaranteed to be a 15 seed.
The tournaments that might affect Milwaukee's seeding and could potentially bump them up to a 14 are the MEAC, America East, and Southland conferences. I doubt there's a major upset in the WAC and Sun Belt, but if there is they could potentially be a 13. Very good odds they are a 15, and no chance at a 16 as there are 4 teams already well below their RPI and 2 more conference championships that will easily end up below them.
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 12, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
Looking at it right now Milwaukee is almost guaranteed to be a 15 seed.
The tournaments that might affect Milwaukee's seeding and could potentially bump them up to a 14 are the MEAC, America East, and Southland conferences. I doubt there's a major upset in the WAC and Sun Belt, but if there is they could potentially be a 13. Very good odds they are a 15, and no chance at a 16 as there are 4 teams already well below their RPI and 2 more conference championships that will easily end up below them.
Except seeding at the bottom is shuffled for geography without any regards for how decent a team is. It's why UWM could end with a 14, same seed as Valpo got last year when Valpo had a 56 RPI and won Regular Season, but Montana inexplicably ended with a 13.
On the flip side, they could end up with a 16 seed with worse schools getting a 15. It really depends on what seeds St Louis is hosting because UWM isn't allowed to play in Milwaukee this year (per Jerry Palm tweet last night).
Honestly it would be frustrating to see a team that finished below .500 in conference with a 130 RPI end up with the same seed as we did last year. There were lots of good mid majors last year with even FGCU as a 15 making it to the S16. This year everyone's punching NIT tickets early.
Quote from: a3uge on March 12, 2014, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 12, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
Looking at it right now Milwaukee is almost guaranteed to be a 15 seed.
The tournaments that might affect Milwaukee's seeding and could potentially bump them up to a 14 are the MEAC, America East, and Southland conferences. I doubt there's a major upset in the WAC and Sun Belt, but if there is they could potentially be a 13. Very good odds they are a 15, and no chance at a 16 as there are 4 teams already well below their RPI and 2 more conference championships that will easily end up below them.
Except seeding at the bottom is shuffled for geography without any regards for how decent a team is. It's why UWM could end with a 14, same seed as Valpo got last year when Valpo had a 56 RPI and won Regular Season, but Montana inexplicably ended with a 13.
On the flip side, they could end up with a 16 seed with worse schools getting a 15. It really depends on what seeds St Louis is hosting because UWM isn't allowed to play in Milwaukee this year (per Jerry Palm tweet last night).
Honestly it would be frustrating to see a team that finished below .500 in conference with a 130 RPI end up with the same seed as we did last year. There were lots of good mid majors last year with even FGCU as a 15 making it to the S16. This year everyone's punching NIT tickets early.
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Does that mean that Green Bay has a shot at the NCAA's??
This is the current situation with the mid major auto-bid seeds:
(http://i.imgur.com/Z9zfZYB.png)
This is based on the teams in the bracket-matrix, which is a combination of 30 some bracketologies. The number on the far left is the bracket matrix score (see http://bracketmatrix.com/ (http://bracketmatrix.com/) ) basically an average of the predicted seeds. Next to that is the seed based on pure RPI (which is basically what the committee uses along with georgraphy for lower seeds).
Most brackets surprisingly have Utah Valley winnign the WAC over NM St... I'd have to look into that, but NM St are 13.68 on Bracket Matrix.
Quote from: vu72 on March 12, 2014, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 12, 2014, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 12, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
Looking at it right now Milwaukee is almost guaranteed to be a 15 seed.
The tournaments that might affect Milwaukee's seeding and could potentially bump them up to a 14 are the MEAC, America East, and Southland conferences. I doubt there's a major upset in the WAC and Sun Belt, but if there is they could potentially be a 13. Very good odds they are a 15, and no chance at a 16 as there are 4 teams already well below their RPI and 2 more conference championships that will easily end up below them.
Except seeding at the bottom is shuffled for geography without any regards for how decent a team is. It's why UWM could end with a 14, same seed as Valpo got last year when Valpo had a 56 RPI and won Regular Season, but Montana inexplicably ended with a 13.
On the flip side, they could end up with a 16 seed with worse schools getting a 15. It really depends on what seeds St Louis is hosting because UWM isn't allowed to play in Milwaukee this year (per Jerry Palm tweet last night).
Honestly it would be frustrating to see a team that finished below .500 in conference with a 130 RPI end up with the same seed as we did last year. There were lots of good mid majors last year with even FGCU as a 15 making it to the S16. This year everyone's punching NIT tickets early.
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Does that mean that Green Bay has a shot at the NCAA's??
No, those are all auto bids anyways. There's been surprises before (VCU, Iona, MidTenn), but I doubt GB will get a bid based on their win over Virginia. They have 21 D1 wins and played basically nobody on the road. Their RPI is 62, which is higher than Valpo's last year. It's excusable for a mid major team to lose on the road, but when you drop 2 home games to a team above 150 RPI at both times, you're probably not going to get an auto bid.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 11, 2014, 10:13:11 PM
Ah, Jordan Aaron.
18 points, and it took him only 13 shots to get there.
Someday he'll crack the 40% barrier, and then you can all rub it in then. But I'll wait.
I guess you can't admit that you were wrong. Jordan Aaron was a force for UWM in the Horizon League tourney and I also don't believe he deserves all the condemnation you have heaped upon him.
Quote from: bbtds on March 12, 2014, 06:44:22 PMJordan Aaron was a force for UWM in the Horizon League tourney and I also don't believe he deserves all the condemnation you have heaped upon him.
You're one for two. Next time stop while you're ahead.
I am fully behind LAA/Saders on this one. Aaron can be hot, but can be really cold. His shooting % throughout the tournament wasn't anything special. Yes, he scored points, but it takes him way too many shots to do so...
Until the tournament I haven't really thought too much about Aaron one way or the other. That said IMO he was outstanding in their tournament run. He hit clutch shots and key free throws throughout and played a great floor game, as well, despite being a primary focus of everyone's defensive game plan. He was clearly the MVP of the tournament and probably all 4 games they played.
Pointing to something negative on his stat line is kind of like saying that someone who just won the Presidential election should have done better in Nebraska. Does it really matter, even if it's true?
It does matter. Yes, he made some clutch shots when it was needed, but he also missed quite a few earlier in the game that theoretically put them in the position where they needed a clutch shot. The dude just bombs away from 10-15 beyond the 3-pt line, and when I was watching, missed most of them until later in the game. His % went UP in the tournament, so he was much worse in the regular season. I am completely behind LAA in regards to shot efficiency. I was never a fan of Allen Iverson because he shot low %'s, but still took 25 shots/game. He got his points, but it wasn't even close to efficient.
What I am arguing here is for the supremacy of statistical analysis over "ol' bird-dog scoutin'". Sure, that has its place, but numbers tell you who you really are.
There are 37 players in the HL alone who were more effective offensive players than he was. (His great tournament moved him from 39th place to 38th.)
This is simply fighting the "Bader is a chucker" fight again, only on a different front and better turf, since, for the record, Bader was the 6th best in the conference this year in O-Rtg.
Yeah he's the Marshall Henderson of the Horizon, with a better attitude. He'll hit shots at the end because he's the one taking them, but overall, he's just an above average player. He took some really stupid shots in the final and had a number of shots blocked on drives. He took a long contested 3 at the end when they should've been running clock. Bad choice. He missed two stupid NBA range 3s and made 1. Bad choice. The other 3 he made were good decisions, open shots. He was 4-9. Pretty good, but if he could be more efficient if he cuts down on the low percentage one and looks for a pass... after all he had 0 assists last game. He could be a top 5 player if he improves his decision making. But I guess the only thing that matters in evaluating the overall effectiveness of a player is in a 2 game window (this same player went 2-13 a couple weeks ago vs UIC).
What disagreement? Apparently, Aaron's tournament performance fooled everyone but you 2 guys. It seems to be pretty one-sided in favor of us dupes.
look, dude (not dupe), getting a B+ on the final doesn't make me forget that you half-assed your way through the preceding semester.
I guess it just seems a little unfair that after ragging on the guy for 2 years that you aren't willing to give him more than a backhanded compliment for what was clearly an MVP performance to carry his team to the coveted HL tournament championship. I think it shows a lack of sportsmanship and sends the wrong message to our Milwaukee friends, none of whom have ever called our players overrated or started threads labeling our program a joke the way you have theirs. Just some food for thought...
Quote from: wh on March 13, 2014, 06:03:33 PM
I guess it just seems a little unfair that after ragging on the guy for 2 years that you aren't willing to give him more than a backhanded compliment for what was clearly an MVP performance to carry his team to the coveted HL tournament championship. I think it shows a lack of sportsmanship and sends the wrong message to our Milwaukee friends, none of whom have ever called our players overrated or started threads labeling our program a joke the way you have theirs. Just some food for thought...
Ah, my bad. Now let's go rag on Butler!
Ah, so now I see where you're coming from.
Yeah, I don't go to other people's boards, because I don't care. So if they're offended by what they see on OUR board, then that's their problem. But I also don't go to THEIR boards and say the same thing, because THAT would be impolite.
It would seem that, given what I know of your political leanings, this would be in keeping with your views. To paraphrase the late Senator Helms, "let them write what they want, as long as they provide their own message board". And I don't think that makes me a poor sport. To say "I'm offended by what they're saying about us over on their board" is precisely the kind of subtle censorship I am sure you reject in the political arena.
Jordan Aaron is who he is. He had a very good tournament, just as he had some very good games this year. Then again, given what he did to his team at a crucial time in the season immediately preceding it, he owed them such a performance. While I don't think he's worthy of 2nd team HL, apparently others do. Because I disagree, I made a convincing case against him; perhaps I should have promulgated a case FOR someone else at the same time. But it's not like I go around saying "everyone who's not on valpo is crap". If someone is overrated, I like to take them down a peg or two. That's just who I am. (To tie into my last post, perhaps because I'm on the shorter side!)
And of COURSE Milwaukee fans haven't called any of our players overrated, because none of them are, except by us; nor have they started a thread about how our team is having a historically awful season (which is not the same as "labeling a program a joke"), because we just don't do that here.
Any more. :)
I guess I could compare what Jordan Aaron did in his "coming out party" HL tournament to what David Freeze did in 2011 when he was the man to help the Cardinals win the World Series. He had a great playoff run, but during the regular season, he didn't do anything special to make me or anyone else keep their eyes on him in 2012. He had his moment in the sun, and Jordan Aaron will too, but that's just how the cookie crumbles in playoff time.
Milwaukee gets a 15 which is not unexpected. Green Bay got a lot of love from the TV guys with two of them including Clarke Kellogg thinking they should have earned an at -large spot. One other interesting thing for me. The A-10, which Butler left for greener pastures got 6 in the tourney which the Big East got 4. Should be a great tournament!
The A-10 and American Conferences just hit Selection Sunday home runs with the number of entries they received - a big boon for recruiting and revenue.
Did the Summit's top team, North Dakota State, after beating IPFW by 3, deserve a #12 seed? I keep hearing how inferior the Summit is to the Horizon, yet this year and, I believe last year (14 to our 15th seed), their draw was better in the NCAA tourney. Why is that?
13 to 14, but yes, I see your point.
Because the bid isn't a reflection of the league so much as the team. (Ex: Stephen F. Austin.)
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 16, 2014, 08:58:28 PMDid the Summit's top team, North Dakota State, after beating IPFW by 3, deserve a #12 seed? I keep hearing how inferior the Summit is to the Horizon, yet this year and, I believe last year (14 to our 15th seed), their draw was better in the NCAA tourney. Why is that?
The very top team in the Summit was seeded slightly higher than the top team in the HL but only since Butler left the HL. The fact that the HL tourney is so wide open says that the HL teams are grouped a lot closer in talent. The Summit League, OTOH, has a lot of dead weight at the bottom of the league which really has no chance of winning the tournament, which has no byes.
12 is pretty high for a conference champ from a league with only about three decent teams. Last year, Valpo was the HL regular season champ and tourney champ in a highly competitive league and only got a 14 while SD State got the 13. That does not make sense to me. Is it too cynical to say that if you spelled Valparaiso B-U-T-L-E-R that that seed would have been much higher. BTW, USAToday celebrated the fact that Blue III, the Butler mascot, visited Celtic coach Brad Stevens, this week. Sheesh!
As an aside, I checked back at the 2012-13 schedule before posting. Wow, what a run. It is so easy to put in the back of your mind what a great season, game-by-game with a couple of hic cups, we had last year. It was magical. That season spoiled me as a fan.
I believe that NDSU finished with an RPI of 33 (SOS 115), vs. 132 for Milwaukee (SOS 212). GB finished with a 57 (SOS 140), so probably would have been a 13. As a conference, the HL finished at 14th, with the Summit at 17th.
Green Bay received a 4 seed in their bracket and will play 5 seed Belmont in the first round. Should be a very good game and interesting as Belmont has often been mentioned as a good addition to the Horizon.
I would like to see Belmont in the HL. I am sure that there will be the usual rumors over the next few months, in regards to conference moves
Quote from: valpotx on March 17, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
I would like to see Belmont in the HL. I am sure that there will be the usual rumors over the next few months, in regards to conference moves
Belmont doesn't really fit the tight Horizon League footprint. It's 334 miles from Belmont to Wright State which would be Belmont's next closest opponent in the HL. It's 684 miles from Belmont to Green Bay, 565 miles from Belmont to Oakland and 552 miles from Belmont to Youngstown. The longest trip in the current HL from Green Bay to Youngstown is 607 miles.
Belmont's shortest trip in the HL is more than half as long as the longest current trip (GB to YSU) in the HL.
Average HL trip for
Belmont 520 miles times 9 equals 4680 miles
Green Bay 406 miles times 8 equals 3248 miles, add in Belmont-437 miles times 9 equals 3932 miles.
Youngstown State 335 miles times 8 equals 2680, add in Belmont-359 miles times 9 equals 3232 miles.
Valpo 237 miles times 8 equals 1896,add in Belmont-260 miles times 9 equals 2337 miles.
True, bbtds. Too true.
Almost two weeks later, let's contemplate the 2014 Panthers. Forget how awful they were last year--they weren't that special this year, when they couldn't even go .500 in conference play.
But then they went from being 7-9 against HL teams to being 11-9 in a week. That...is simply impressive. And they personally took out three of the four teams--against whom they had been 2-4 on the year--ahead of them to do so.
Yes, it would add mileage, but what other teams in our tight footprint are worth considering, if we have a team poached again? My main focus is on adding another private school that has basketball success, and generally in our vicinity. None of the Summit League teams appeal to us anymore, as NDSU/SDSU's ultimate destination is in the Mountain West.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 16, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
Did the Summit's top team, North Dakota State, after beating IPFW by 3, deserve a #12 seed? I keep hearing how inferior the Summit is to the Horizon, yet this year and, I believe last year (14 to our 15th seed), their draw was better in the NCAA tourney. Why is that?
Like LPA said, see SFA. See the new Big East vs the old Big East (AAC). The # of teams and seeds aren't good metrics at evaluating the talent of a conference. The A10 sent 6 teams. The B1G 10 sent 6. Does this make the A10 equal to the B1G? No. The Southland sent a 12 seed. Does this make the conference better than CUSA or the MAC? No. The Southland is a 27th in conference RPI.
The Summit has had 2 very decent teams in the past two years. Last year's SD St team featured Nate Wolters, a guy that's now starting on a (kind of) NBA team and is now 9th on NBA's rookie ladder ahead of guys like Ben McLemore.
This year's ND State team has an outstanding player, Taylor Braun, and wins over Notre Dame, Western Michigan, and Delaware. They're a good mid major team - probably a little under GB. Expecting the Horizon's 5th seeded team, and a team that was under .500 in conference to have a better seed that the Summit is a bit silly. Had the ND St not won, the Summit would've ended with a 15 or 16 seed.
Quote from: valpotx on March 17, 2014, 02:38:00 PM
Yes, it would add mileage, but what other teams in our tight footprint are worth considering, if we have a team poached again? My main focus is on adding another private school that has basketball success, and generally in our vicinity. None of the Summit League teams appeal to us anymore, as NDSU/SDSU's ultimate destination is in the Mountain West.
What it really says is if the HL has the option to add Belmont they need to find a travel partner for the Bruins closer to Nashville than the rest of the HL. Obviously the total miles are not driven because of traveling from places like Cleveland to Youngstown in the same trip and the fact that I didn't include the return trip back to the home campus.
Quote from: valpotx on March 17, 2014, 02:38:00 PM
Yes, it would add mileage, but what other teams in our tight footprint are worth considering, if we have a team poached again? My main focus is on adding another private school that has basketball success, and generally in our vicinity. None of the Summit League teams appeal to us anymore, as NDSU/SDSU's ultimate destination is in the Mountain West.
Exxxaaacctlllyyyy
There's only a certain amount of schools in the Midwest. The MAC is locked in because of football. The 3 conference that cover most of the Midwest are the Summit, Horizon, and MVC. The other Midwest teams (SLU, Marquette) are in better conferences.
There's no more good Midwest schools to take away right now. So what do they do for member 10, or to replace any future defects to the MVC?
Stay put - Choices include IPFW, IUPUI, EIU... Eeeshhh
West: UNO? UMKC? Yeesh.
North: The Dakotas? Brrr...
East: Robert Morris? Warmer.
South: Murray State, Belmont, UNK, EKU... Bingo!
Here's a map I made over the summer:
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2105/valporadar2.png)
Expanding towards the south might be the only option if someone leaves. Until then, LeCrone is best served by waiting to see if Northern Kentucky is going to get any better and adding them in a couple years. He's played the conference realignments perfectly. After Butler left (inevitable), we traded Loyola for Oakland. Good thing he didn't panic and add IPFW/IUPUI right away. Over the next 3 years, I can see the HL staying at 9 and if they add a school, it'll be Northern Kentucky, IPFW, or IUPUI. Murray State and Belmont seem happy where they are right now. Murray State enjoys the football, and Belmont just moved.
While not sexy, I wouldn't mind Northern Kentucky.
If this year wasn't a fluke for IPFW and they turn their program around, they'd be the next team on the HL's radar in terms of expanding.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 17, 2014, 06:10:15 PM
If this year wasn't a fluke for IPFW and they turn their program around, they'd be the next team on the HL's radar in terms of expanding.
Yup, no need to rush anything.
you forgot purdue cal ;)
a3, never get tired of looking at that map. hats off.
In addition to other factors in their favor, looking at the map, Northern Kentucky makes the most sense to bring the Horizon League to 10 members, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen. Adding Northern Kentucky would create the following pairings of travel partners:
Green Bay-Milwaukee
UIC-Valpo
Oakland-Detroit
Cleveland State-YSU
Wright State-Northern Kentucky
There you go making sense again :)
This was kind of the consensus of last summer's thoughts on the matter, was it not?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 17, 2014, 08:28:16 PM
you forgot purdue cal ;)
a3, never get tired of looking at that map. hats off.
Except it angers me because I deleted the svg of it and can't edit it :(
Also, I would think Brown Mackie would be on HL's radar before PCC... Heard they're building a new 6,000 seat arena.
Quote from: a3uge on March 17, 2014, 04:30:56 PMMurray State enjoys the football, and Belmont just moved.
Belmont officially joined the Ohio Valley on July 1, 2012. Just don't tell Butler it's too soon to switch conferences. Maybe switching conferences before you become too attached and make it harder to leave is the way to go.
Quote from: bbtds on March 20, 2014, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 17, 2014, 04:30:56 PMMurray State enjoys the football, and Belmont just moved.
Belmont officially joined the Ohio Valley on July 1, 2012. Just don't tell Butler it's too soon to switch conferences. Maybe switching conferences before you become too attached and make it harder to leave is the way to go.
Moving from the A10 to the New Big East is a little different money-wise than jumping between mid major conferences. The Butler switch netted them $$$. A move from the OVC would likely result in early exit penalties.
in case anyone thought i would comment on jordan aaron's night tonight, i am not going to.
i might comment on how i was actually hoping for ASU to win--not for Richie, but so that Michigan could be the one to send them home :)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 20, 2014, 11:05:10 PMin case anyone thought i would comment on jordan aaron's night tonight, i am not going to.
I see what you did there. The old "no comment" comment. ;)
He is what we thought he was...
Quote from: historyman on March 21, 2014, 01:13:15 PMI see what you did there. The old "no comment" comment.
If you're accusing me of using the ancient rhetorical trope of
praeteritio, then you're wrong.
That would be more like,
"I'm not going to comment on all the reports of Sen. Kennedy being a lecher and a drunk. I'm not even going to bring up the fact that my opponent is the ONLY politician with a Confirmed Kill in the War On Women. Instead, I'd like to talk about the
issues..."
THAT would be
praeteritio. :)
Quote from: valpotx on March 21, 2014, 01:58:30 PM
He is what we thought he was...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w)
Uh, he was almost perfect: 1-15 FGs, 0-7 3pt.FGs. Spoiled it with 4-4 on FTs. (In case any readers didn't get the memo.)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 21, 2014, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: historyman on March 21, 2014, 01:13:15 PMI see what you did there. The old "no comment" comment.
If you're accusing me of using the ancient rhetorical trope of praeteritio, then you're wrong.
That would be more like,
"I'm not going to comment on all the reports of Sen. Kennedy being a lecher and a drunk. I'm not even going to bring up the fact that my opponent is the ONLY politician with a Confirmed Kill in the War On Women. Instead, I'd like to talk about the issues..."
THAT would be praeteritio. :)
This just SLAYED me. :lol:
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 21, 2014, 02:03:40 PMQuote from: historyman on March 21, 2014, 01:13:15 PMI see what you did there. The old "no comment" comment.
If you're accusing me of using the ancient rhetorical trope of praeteritio, then you're wrong. That would be more like, "I'm not going to comment on all the reports of Sen. Kennedy being a lecher and a drunk. I'm not even going to bring up the fact that my opponent is the ONLY politician with a Confirmed Kill in the War On Women. Instead, I'd like to talk about the issues..." THAT would be praeteritio. :)
Yep, exactly what I was thinking---that word "praeteritio" was on the tip of my tongue as I was typing that response. As I'm sure most of the other posters were thinking of the word "praeteritio" when the read my response. What other word could I have been thinking of?
Quote from: historyman on March 21, 2014, 11:11:44 PMWhat other word could I have been thinking of?
Certainly no other, on a board this erudite, I'm sure.
The Horizon is now officially done. WSU loses by 2 to Ohio, as did CSU. :(