It's on to Jacksonville. It'll be a homecoming of sorts for all of our Florida players. Hopefully the improvement made over the last two weeks will translate into another competitive performance. Jacksonville started out the season with an impressive win at Delaware (CAA) like they would burn through the schedule undefeated. But they have shown over the long season that they have some weaknesses. While this may probably wind up being another loss, we need to show we belong on the field. The last time we played, JU beat us 86-7.
Would like to see the improvement to continue, and keep their offense off the field as much as possible.
Valpo 20
Jax. 33
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Jacksonville 49, Saders 14
I have a feeling a lot of folks are glad this below expectation season is coming to a close.
Next year we will have valid data and criteria on Coach Cecchini's performance as coach. He will have his hand picked players and we will see if this football program is going on the right direction. Let's be realistic and admit this season was a major rebuilding year and the talent level was low. Valpo needs an established OL and QB for success.
Go SC! First place in the Pac 12 South! Beat Duckzilla.
Odds and ends:
### We are down to 2 QBs for JU: Scott and Jake. It would be a shame to lose Jake's red shirt year after 10 games in the event Scott can't complete the game. I wonder, because College of Faith was an uncountable game, could Jake have played and still retained red shirt status? Just would have liked to see him in a game situation. Next year, it'll be Jake, Ryan, (knee cap dislocation), Dalton (labrum repair) and Conner Smith (also labrum repair) competing for the starting role.
### I think the corner has turned with respect to the young OL. It's not a dramatic turn, but the last two games have shown that we can now score (50 points) and you can't do that without the OL.
### The D was one stop away from preserving the win against Morehead. Could this week be the week we hold onto a lead by the end of the game?
### Regarding next year: This staff focused on O this past recruiting season. Now we lose Alex and John to graduation -- two almost irreplaceable players. I'm thinking the emphasis this recruiting season will be on D. We were small on that side of the ball and IMO need about 3 more John Guilfords up front. So we may encounter the same inexperience on that side of the ball next season as we did this season on O. So....., year four is when both O and D should have enough experience and talent to show us something in the W-L record.
JU Game notes:
http://files.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DB11E6F-3F84-43E9-884D-91E1862A0213/Wk12JU.pdf (http://files.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DB11E6F-3F84-43E9-884D-91E1862A0213/Wk12JU.pdf)
Looks like Catrine is out again.
Mention is made of starting QB Kade Bell not throwing a pass in the win over Campbell last week, Cecchini doesn't know if Bell will be back for our game.
In checking the JU 2-deep on their site, Bell is not listed. Starter is listed as Rylan Wells 6-1, 185 R-Soph backed up by Jordan DeSina, 6-2, 207, Soph. Butcha nevah know.
Big JU starting OL:
LT - 6-5, 285 R-Soph
LG - 6-4, 260 R-Fr
C - 6-0, 258 Fr
RG - 6-2, 292 R-Sr
RT - 6-7, 311 R-Sr
Av. Ht: 6' 3.6"
Av. Wt: 281
Betcha they run right a lot. Both their Sr. FBs are 240.
Mid-sized JU starting D front 7:
DE - 6-3, 270
NT - 5-11, 275
DE - 5-10, 265
Bandit - 6-0, 230
LB - 5-10, 205
LB - 5-9, 205
LB - 6-1, 204
We match up size-wise pretty well vs. their DL. We go 255, 285, 285, 260, and 285. We are young: 1 sr, 3 fr, 2 R-Sophs. However, the JU front 7 has 1 Jr. All the rest are seniors.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 15, 2015, 10:58:42 AM
Odds and ends:
### We are down to 2 QBs for JU: Scott and Jake. It would be a shame to lose Jake's red shirt year after 10 games in the event Scott can't complete the game. I wonder, because College of Faith was an uncountable game, could Jake have played and still retained red shirt status? Just would have liked to see him in a game situation. Next year, it'll be Jake, Ryan, (knee cap dislocation), Dalton (labrum repair) and Conner Smith (also labrum repair) competing for the starting role.
### I think the corner has turned with respect to the young OL. It's not a dramatic turn, but the last two games have shown that we can now score (50 points) and you can't do that without the OL.
### The D was one stop away from preserving the win against Morehead. Could this week be the week we hold onto a lead by the end of the game?
### Regarding next year: This staff focused on O this past recruiting season. Now we lose Alex and John to graduation -- two almost irreplaceable players. I'm thinking the emphasis this recruiting season will be on D. We were small on that side of the ball and IMO need about 3 more John Guilfords up front. So we may encounter the same inexperience on that side of the ball next season as we did this season on O. So....., year four is when both O and D should have enough experience and talent to show us something in the W-L record.
It is extremely important that Paliga not play. To waste a season in game 11 would stink. I mentioned this before, Lebanowitz was a QB in HS. Is he even on the team at this point? If so, he could be the answer.
Here's the bad news, I am not sure Staal has ever lasted 2 games without injury. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Defensively we also lose Cotton, Bradley and Graham. We must add some size for the DL next year. Doepke is good size and played a lot 2 years ago before injury. What is his status?
Agree on Jake staying off the field. Cody is still listed on the roster but as a "D" Athlete. We are also in accord on the need for bulk up front on D in next year's class, but with speed (or at least quick initial burst). So many holes to fill, so little time.
how about if Staal gets hurt, then we forfeit and just call it a season? What gain would be made if this situation occurs?
Go SC and Valpo - destroy Duckzilla!
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 18, 2015, 12:24:51 PM
Agree on Jake staying off the field. Cody is still listed on the roster but as a "D" Athlete. We are also in accord on the need for bulk up front on D in next year's class, but with speed (or at least quick initial burst). So many holes to fill, so little time.
Cody Lebanowitz is essentially on collegiate IR and has been all season. Hall may return. Paliga shouldn't play. However an early injury at the QB position and a wildcat the entire game would be tough to watch.
Once again the 2 deep has some head scratchers likely not etched in what's really happening.
So why is it that we haven't played in Jacksonville since 2009? I thought we played everybody every other year at home and away.
First of all we only play 8 PFL games per season and the league has in the last decade or so had ten and as many as 12 teams. So you just don't play everybody. But we had been playing JU regularly until 2009. I believe (with no foundation for this) that when they laid 86 on us in Carlson's first season in 2010, MLB said 'no more' to the PFL commissioner. That score went over the top and it was the way it was achieved -- the pedal was on the floor into the forth quarter. Interesting that they have had to vacate all wins the past two seasons due to "inappropriate" use of financial aid. I suspect that Valpo had an idea that was the case ( like Mercer for that one year) and demanded that they be removed from our schedule. Just guessing........
VULB....you seem to be up on these types of things. I tried to figure out what Jax did (as well as San Diego) but couldn't quite nail it down. Did they offer the players athletic scholarships, aid not available to the student body or something else I'm missing. Do you know?
Quote from: VU2624 on November 18, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
VULB....you seem to be up on these types of things. I tried to figure out what Jax did (as well as San Diego) but couldn't quite nail it down. Did they offer the players athletic scholarships, aid not available to the student body or something else I'm missing. Do you know?
I believe they stretched the meaning of "need-based" for a bunch of players. It wasn't like Mercer which used their one year in the PFL to give their 65 scholarship players a year of experience before formally jumping to the FBS scholarship Southern Conference. This may be a bit of an overstatement but I hate the sandbagging Mercer pulled. I also think that the PFL should have vacated all of their wins, but they just let them leave. Mercer would not have provided any information anyway on their way out the door. Why do I think this? You don' build a brand new 12,000 seat stadium and palatial field house for just football and lacrosse to play PFL games. Argh. I need to get over it.
Some news about the game from Brandon Vickrey
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(Hope they don't have to use Conner -- he'll red shirt as well)
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(2-deep lists Kellan as the starter at one safety)
Gameday baby!!
Not much interest on this game as the hoops squad tries to conquer Duckzilla.
Go Troy! Go Saders! Make Phil Knight and Team Nike feel the pain!!!
Apparently rainy in J'ville. Game will be on ESPN3 I believe. KO is noon CST.
Go Crusaders!
This one can be very ugly - by Sagarin ratings, Jacksonville is a 32 point favorite.
But the good things is that we can be thankful to God that this season is complete and the Saders can move on to next year
A measure of respect from Kerwin Bell, the JU HFBC:
"Valparaiso (1-8, 1-6) has only one official win (an 86-0 domination of College of Faith is counted as an exhibition game), but has given its opponents fits, including a late 36-29 loss to Morehead State last week.
"We haven't played them in a long time, but they are doing a good job of building that program. I gave our team examples of their Morehead State and Dayton games. They've been in a lot of games and you've got to try to put them away early because they will come to play and compete," said Bell.
If Kade Bell doesn't play we have a chance of keeping it kinda close.
Kade Bell is out. JU with the ball and 3 penalties to start 1 and 30.
3 and out for first drive. OK!
After a 1st down we throw a pick into a crowd. Then after a good two downs give up a 52 yd TD.
Good play call gone bad. Poor snap (bounced to Staal) on a quick kick that is blocked and run back for a TD. Two TDs on 2 turnovers :( It was 4th and 6 on the JU 40. It was all about lack of execution: the bad snap and the OL failing to keep the DL out.
Announcers talking about the lack of size of our OT (and our DL too).
Newman for a 39yd FG after a long run by Choudhry (39 yards).
Another sack of the JU Qb D is playing a decent game.
Check that As soon as i wrote that we had their TB dead in the backfield but lost trailing containment and gave up a long gain TD. Then after a Valpo 3 and out the first play from the JU 40 a jet sweep takes it all the way to Valpo red zone.
Announcers comment -- clear difference in team speed.
Big plays by JU and about to be 28-3. This game is going to get ugly.
At least held them to a FG
62 - you are definitely a half full dude!!
Interesting radio broadcast - you can hear the sidelines well. They are 10 feet from ground level - this stadium has to be interesting
This game could end at halftime, since neither team is playing for anything more than because they have to.
I think the white flag and the season can be completed. End it, grab some seafood and soul food, fly back and readjust for next year.
Bad news --- Davidson is beating Stetson. The drop to the bottom of the Sagarin ratings is at risk.
Had a long delay at Stetson... still 10-0 Davidson...at the half... as of 4:45pm valpo time...
@StetsonHatters:
Today's Stetson-Davidson football game continues in a weather delay. Updates as they happen
Had to miss the last 7 minutes of Q2 and all of the second half. Sorry to see the score being so one sided when I returned. :( Probably better for my health. I could feel my BP creeping up as I watched our mistakes and also saw the size/speed gap.
One interesting note while watching the game on ESPN3, the JU announcers commented about the HFBC making this maybe his last year at JU. They based this on 1) his kid (QB Kalen Bell) was graduating, 2) his superb winning record (51-21), and 3) that JU was going in a different direction in football *, they did not expect to see Kerwin Bell coaching JU next year.
Hmmmmm. * Could that mean that because they committed to abiding by the PFL rules, he wants out of there? Easy to speculate that knowing that if only purely need players would be used, his chances of recruiting the same athletes he's had in the past are now a thing of the past, he will be looking for better chances to win. It should be noted that all players who were given "additional" aid that resulted in JU vacating games and accepting ineligibility for a PFL title, were allowed to still stay in school for this season (if NCAA eligible of course).
Davidson 20 Stetson 17...final
Time of Poss. VU 34:45 JU 25:15
Further proof... that stat is meaningless...
Time of possession can be a key statistic, and generally I tend to disagree. In the National Champuionship game last year, OSU led Oregon on time of possession 41 to 19. That stat was the clear indicator why the Buckeyes won - the Duck defense tired out after taking a extensive pounding from the OSU running game, Total yards at times can be a meaningless stat also. Turnovers IMO can be a significant factor.
The Sagarin rating is going to be scary tomorrow - we can certainly be the worst team in college football.
From the sidelines:
Tough to deal with all of the injuries. Choudry, Morgan, Mallon, Bradley, Shea amongst those knocked out of game.
Call for the quick kick wasn't really smart. Don't recall Scott trying this one at any other time. Low snap didn't help. The biggest problem I had, believe it or not, was that Valpo had to call timeout on the PAT to get the FG block unit on to the field. That's just a micro-sim of some issues with the coaching staff during this season. It's inexcusable. The call for the play itself is questionable as well...just punt the ball.
Beyond that, Valpo is simply outmanned in this game. Jax was much much faster and much much bigger. I got more color on what they were sanctioned for and, in addition to the overfunding of aid to the players, the playoff sanction was for one year however the players got to keep all aid. IOW...if a player was a freshman, he's still going to receive the aid for his next 3 years of eligibility. Jax is drawing from a different talent and social pool than Valpo....and likely the rest of the PFL....is.
Heard some real serious discussion on potential desertions. I think most are back. However, the biggest issue will be at QB. I'll leave it at that.
Cecchini is at a crossroads in a lot of opinion heard at the game. In his third year, he has to show significant progress. This means his current recruits have to step up, the upper class that contribute have to continue to do so plus more. He has to have the right guys on the staff and I'm not sure he does and that he knows he doesn't. It wouldn't shock me, based on conversation, if there are some major changes on both sides of the ball. Dave has to get it right and right now. If he doesn't, he has to think about what it means for his long term career.
Hopefully this coaching staff has some serious lessons learned so they can move forward and progress next season. I think Cecchini and his staff will be under the gun and deserved so. Expecting 1-9 and consistently bottom feeder teams is unacceptable.
Regarding the QB situation -- I think if any of them leave it will not effect the team in the long term. None of them were showstoppers this year. The other issue is that Valpo really needs better overall talent if they want compete in the Pioneer league and not be an annual pretender.
The problem with many Division 3 like schools is that they are freshman and sophomore loaded as many players quit to work on studies. This was indicative on Valpo's roster this year.
The good news is that Valpo is raking in cash from the football program. However, I also think Valpo athletics and the university need to take actions to make the college football experience better. Allowing decent tailgating would be a good start. Right now the Valpo football experience is as exciting and effective as Rick Santorum's presidential ucampaign.
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 22, 2015, 10:22:13 AMRegarding the QB situation -- I think if any of them leave it will not effect the team in the long term. None of them were showstoppers this year.
One in particular would be an issue.
the one that redshirted?
Kinda disagree on the quick kick call. Not a bad call IMO as we have executed it well in the past and the situation was a plausible "go for it" one. The key word is execute. Four things: 1) I don't know how much that play is practiced. If you are gonna use it, it needs to be an essential part of the ST playbook and always practiced on a weekly basis; 2) I agree, to the best of my recollection, that Scott was not one of the QBs in the past that actually quick kicked, and so that was a contributing factor to poor execution. 3) the last time I recall a quick kick, Nate Koeneman, an experienced senior, was the center. The center in this game was a freshman and the ball bounced to Scott. But it still should have worked (the ball just had to travel 25 yards or so to be effective) except for 4) which comes back to an overwhelmed and inexperienced OL. As I recall, when Scott reached down to pick the ball, raised his head to get set for the kick, all he saw was green shirts, and rushed the kick. Kind of a perfect storm of issues.
Speaking of Special Teams issues, 2624, you pointed out the TO on the XP, but we need to add 1) the punt catastrophe --snap over the head of the punter and then the punter kicking the ball out of bounds instead of falling on it or trying to run it back. Trying to kick it had two major risks -- he could have missed and the JU defenders could have taken it to the house or the ball might have squabbled, stayed in bounds, and the JU defenders could have, um, taken it to the house. Plus it was illegal, so a penalty adds even better field position. 2). The fumble on a kick-off return that gave JU super field position yet again.
Good teams spend a lot of time on ST. And if a team is not good, it needs to minimize game changing errors -- ones that show up glaringly on ST.
Overall Dave and his staff, along with the players, have learned a lot of painful lessons this season. Now we wait to see how he evaluates the season past and how he responds to the challenges. I'm thinking a separate string is best for a post mortem discussion.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 22, 2015, 10:46:04 AMKinda disagree on the quick kick call. Not a bad call IMO as we have executed it well in the past and the situation was a plausible "go for it" one. The key word is execute. Four things: 1) I don't know how much that play is practiced. If you are gonna use it, it needs to be an essential part of the ST playbook and always practiced on a weekly basis; 2) I agree, to the best of my recollection, that Scott was not one of the QBs in the past that actually quick kicked, and so that was a contributing factor to poor execution. 3) the last time I recall a quick kick, Nate Koeneman, an experienced senior, was the center. The center in this game was a freshman and the ball bounced to Scott. But it still should have worked (the ball just had to travel 25 yards or so to be effective) except for 4) which comes back to an overwhelmed and inexperienced OL. As I recall, when Scott reached down to pick the ball, raised his head to get set for the kick, all he saw was green shirts, and rushed the kick. Kind of a perfect storm of issues.
The storm of issues is exactly why it's a bad call. Just punt the ball. What advantage are you gaining with the quick kick? You expose a QB who you don't want hurt at all to going through an act he hasn't in a game before leaving him a bit more vulnerable. Everything about the decision was poor.
QuoteSpeaking of Special Teams issues, 2624, you pointed out the TO on the XP, but we need to add 1) the punt catastrophe --snap over the head of the punter and then the punter kicking the ball out of bounds instead of falling on it or trying to run it back. Trying to kick it had two major risks -- he could have missed and the JU defenders could have taken it to the house or the ball might have squabbled, stayed in bounds, and the JU defenders could have, um, taken it to the house. Plus it was illegal, so a penalty adds even better field position. 2). The fumble on a kick-off return that gave JU super field position yet again. Good teams spend a lot of time on ST. And if a team is not good, it needs to minimize game changing errors -- ones that show up glaringly on ST. Overall Dave and his staff, along with the players, have learned a lot of painful lessons this season. Now we wait to see how he evaluates the season past and how he responds to the challenges. I'm thinking a separate string is best for a post mortem discussion.
Couple of things here. The snap was bad however my theory has always been that if the ball hits the ground on a punt or placekick just assume disaster....ask Michigan for an extreme example. Koz didn't react properly but it's not uncommon for a poor reaction under those circumstances.
The fumble on the return....Jarrett was injured on the play and ended up on crutches. The fact that he fumbled is more of a circumstance than coaching issue.
I've talked to some players about plays I'll refer to as specific situations in the past and yesterday. I don't think they are practiced much. For instance the hail mary last year at SD was apparently NEVER practiced defensively last year and also never practiced offensively for a circumstance in which Valpo needed a last second score. The pooch kick is not something given much attention from what I was told...one reason I mentioned it as a bad call.
One aside note....at halftime I notice the team, coaches and medical staff walked off the field leaving a prone Jarrett Morgan on the sidelines on the medical bench by himself after he was injured on the kickoff some time earlier in the half. A couple of Jax medical people came over to him after a minute or two and he eventually walked off accompanied by a Jax person. I found that both strange and very troubling from a Valpo standpoint. I passed by the players field entrance right as halftime was ending and the coaching staff was coming out and to say Jarrett's mother was unhappy would be a significant understatement. She was lighting up the coaches pretty good. I really don't understand walking off and leaving a player behind.
leaving an injured player unattended? and we are pretending to be a Division 1 football program? If these actions are true, that is pathetic and the administration needs to address this.
Cripe, even College of Faith would not allow that!
The main focus of the post game conversation was on the Morgan situation amongst the parents and yes, absent a reasonable explanation of which I can't think of one, it can be described as pathetic. The first group off the field was the medical (or training) staff. This with at least 6 players who started but were unable to finish the game. This includes two players who had injuries to above the neck. Medical staff should not leave the field until all players have exited.
Quote from: VU2624 on November 22, 2015, 12:05:37 PM
The main focus of the post game conversation was on the Morgan situation amongst the parents and yes, absent a reasonable explanation of which I can't think of one, it can be described as pathetic. The first group off the field was the medical (or training) staff. This with at least 6 players who started but were unable to finish the game. This includes two players who had injuries to above the neck. Medical staff should not leave the field until all players have exited.
Can't understand Rod Moore's crew doing something like that. Inexcusable. To be fair to Cecchini, he's just seen his team implode and has 20 minutes to react. He relies on and should trust in the training staff to do their job -- manage injuries and injured players. His job is not to manage trainers -- that's Rod's (who reports to MLB). Nevertheless and regardless, inexcusable. I hope Jarrett's injury was not long-term and significant.
Quote from: VU2624 on November 22, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
The storm of issues is exactly why it's a bad call. Just punt the ball. What advantage are you gaining with the quick kick? You expose a QB who you don't want hurt at all to going through an act he hasn't in a game before leaving him a bit more vulnerable. Everything about the decision was poor.
We'll agree to disagree on the play calling. Given the outcome in retrospect, yes, it hurt us. That's hindsight. At that point in the game, it was a gamble to try to restore some momentum for a losing team that needed a spark. Had it worked and been downed on the, say, 2, everyone would have said nice play. But I would still maintain in general that a quick kick is a good tactic in that circumstance (absent what we both agree are the storm of issues we identified in retrospect). A quick kick is executed in less time than a punt - from snap to foot/ball contact about 1.5 secs - so the QB should never be at risk. By running out your O instead of the the ST, JU was forced to use their defensive squad which is not used to handling a punt. The chances of an inadvertent touch/fumble and recovery are decent. Most quick kicks result in the ball being downed deep in the opponent's territory, some of that because if a D is well coached, they will get the hell out of the area so as not to make a mistake and lose the ball (see above).
"The fumble on the return....Jarrett was injured on the play and ended up on crutches. The fact that he fumbled is more of a circumstance than coaching issue. "
Didn't see the fumble - going only on the ValpoAthletics write-up and unaware that Jarrett was hurt on that play, but merely highlighting that it was another bad thing that happened while special teams were on the field.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 22, 2015, 12:57:50 PMQuote from: VU2624 on November 22, 2015, 11:21:59 AMThe storm of issues is exactly why it's a bad call. Just punt the ball. What advantage are you gaining with the quick kick? You expose a QB who you don't want hurt at all to going through an act he hasn't in a game before leaving him a bit more vulnerable. Everything about the decision was poor.
We'll agree to disagree on the play calling. Given the outcome in retrospect, yes, it hurt us. That's hindsight. At that point in the game, it was a gamble to try to restore some momentum for a losing team that needed a spark. Had it worked and been downed on the, say, 2, everyone would have said nice play. But I would still maintain in general that a quick kick is a good tactic in that circumstance (absent what we both agree are the storm of issues we identified in retrospect). A quick kick is executed in less time than a punt - from snap to foot/ball contact about 1.5 secs - so the QB should never be at risk. By running out your O instead of the the ST, JU was forced to use their defensive squad which is not used to handling a punt. The chances of an inadvertent touch/fumble and recovery are decent. Most quick kicks result in the ball being downed deep in the opponent's territory, some of that because if a D is well coached, they will get the hell out of the area so as not to make a mistake and lose the ball (see above).
You listed a number of issues above yourself as to why it was a poor choice. Just punt the ball.
and give Jarred Morgan some fricking medical support!!
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 22, 2015, 12:29:25 PMI hope Jarrett's injury was not long-term and significant.
Don't think it is.
Quote from: VU2624 on November 22, 2015, 09:49:10 AMCall for the quick kick wasn't really smart. Don't recall Scott trying this one at any other time. Low snap didn't help. The biggest problem I had, believe it or not, was that Valpo had to call timeout on the PAT to get the FG block unit on to the field. That's just a micro-sim of some issues with the coaching staff during this season. It's inexcusable. The call for the play itself is questionable as well...just punt the ball.
Agree on the quick kick...
The TO on the EXP was called on the field by a player. We were short a player or players, not sure which coach you expected to be out there for the block attempt. I would hope that by college the players have some responsibility for being on the field when they should be. I pay almost no attention to this set and I know it is 10 defensive starters and Morgan.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 23, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
Quote from: VU2624 on November 22, 2015, 09:49:10 AMCall for the quick kick wasn't really smart. Don't recall Scott trying this one at any other time. Low snap didn't help. The biggest problem I had, believe it or not, was that Valpo had to call timeout on the PAT to get the FG block unit on to the field. That's just a micro-sim of some issues with the coaching staff during this season. It's inexcusable. The call for the play itself is questionable as well...just punt the ball.
Agree on the quick kick...
The TO on the EXP was called on the field by a player. We were short a player or players, not sure which coach you expected to be out there for the block attempt. I would hope that by college the players have some responsibility for being on the field when they should be. I pay almost no attention to this set and I know it is 10 defensive starters and Morgan.
I know the timeout was called on the field however it is absolutely the coach's responsibility to make sure his personnel was on the field. This wasn't one guy missing, it was (apparently) 3.
Was there any discussion why the injured player was left alone at half. That story is really upsetting.
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 24, 2015, 06:30:27 PMWas there any discussion why the injured player was left alone at half. That story is really upsetting.
The discussion I heard was quite one sided in terms of the player's mom hammering the coaches :lol:
A few parents, along with the player's mom, indicated that MLB would likely receive a couple of emails on that specific issue and the training staff in general. One other player, I've heard, may have been left to make his own decision as to whether to return to the game after experiencing symptoms such as dizziness, blurred vision and light sensitivity. His helmet was not taken from him but probably shouldn't have been. He chose not to go back in. Don't know if that issue is going to be raised by the parents.
Quote from: VU2624 on November 25, 2015, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 24, 2015, 06:30:27 PMWas there any discussion why the injured player was left alone at half. That story is really upsetting.
The discussion I heard was quite one sided in terms of the player's mom hammering the coaches :lol:
A few parents, along with the player's mom, indicated that MLB would likely receive a couple of emails on that specific issue and the training staff in general. One other player, I've heard, may have been left to make his own decision as to whether to return to the game after experiencing symptoms such as dizziness, blurred vision and light sensitivity. His helmet was not taken from him but probably shouldn't have been. He chose not to go back in. Don't know if that issue is going to be raised by the parents.
Oh my God! The parents are running the asylum and that's worse than the inmates.
If you can't trust a guy like Dave Cecchini with your son to instruct him on teamwork and making good decisions for the world of life that is ahead than why did you chose Valpo? Either let your sons go off to school or put them in a different school for "real whimps!"
Quote from: bbtds on November 25, 2015, 09:55:51 PMQuote from: VU2624 on November 25, 2015, 12:26:44 PMQuote from: usc4valpo on November 24, 2015, 06:30:27 PMWas there any discussion why the injured player was left alone at half. That story is really upsetting.
The discussion I heard was quite one sided in terms of the player's mom hammering the coaches :lol: A few parents, along with the player's mom, indicated that MLB would likely receive a couple of emails on that specific issue and the training staff in general. One other player, I've heard, may have been left to make his own decision as to whether to return to the game after experiencing symptoms such as dizziness, blurred vision and light sensitivity. His helmet was not taken from him but probably shouldn't have been. He chose not to go back in. Don't know if that issue is going to be raised by the parents.
Oh my God! The parents are running the asylum and that's worse than the inmates. If you can't trust a guy like Dave Cecchini with your son to instruct him on teamwork and making good decisions for the world of life that is ahead than why did you chose Valpo? Either let your sons go off to school or put them in a different school for "real whimps!"
So.....let's see....a player is left on the sidelines while the team, coaches and training staff leave the field and the answer is to trust everyone? This was a good decision including teamwork? You would have been on an island with that opinion.
Hopefully it was tongue in cheek.
A mom yelling at coaches at halftime??? Seriously??? What a joke. We're further from D1 than I ever thought.
Quote from: Vinny on November 26, 2015, 04:40:49 PMA mom yelling at coaches at halftime??? Seriously??? What a joke. We're further from D1 than I ever thought.
What does mom yelling at the coaches regarding her son's medical situation have to do with Div I and whether Valpo is anywhere near it?
First of all: Moms can yell at anyone. They are moms. End of story.
Next: When you play in stadiums that hold 2500 spectators, by nature, it is really not "D-I"
Finally: Mistakes were made. We are all human. This incident will get sorted out. We will learn and move on.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 26, 2015, 09:22:19 PMFirst of all: Moms can yell at anyone. They are moms. End of story. Next: When you play in stadiums that hold 2500 spectators, by nature, it is really not "D-I" Finally: Mistakes were made. We are all human. This incident will get sorted out. We will learn and move on.
Short and to the point. I like it.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 21, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
One interesting note while watching the game on ESPN3, the JU announcers commented about the HFBC making this maybe his last year at JU. They based this on 1) his kid (QB Kalen Bell) was graduating, 2) his superb winning record (51-21), and 3) that JU was going in a different direction in football *, they did not expect to see Kerwin Bell coaching JU next year.
Hmmmmm. * Could that mean that because they committed to abiding by the PFL rules, he wants out of there? Easy to speculate that knowing that if only purely need players would be used, his chances of recruiting the same athletes he's had in the past are now a thing of the past, he will be looking for better chances to win. It should be noted that all players who were given "additional" aid that resulted in JU vacating games and accepting ineligibility for a PFL title, were allowed to still stay in school for this season (if NCAA eligible of course).
As expected Kerwin Bell is out at JU. (Saw this on Brad Collignon's Twitter page.)
Here's the link: http://collegead.com/jacksonville-university-8/ (http://collegead.com/jacksonville-university-8/)
He wanted full scholarship. JU didn't. Contract not renewed. End of story.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 04, 2015, 03:57:34 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on November 21, 2015, 06:28:18 PMOne interesting note while watching the game on ESPN3, the JU announcers commented about the HFBC making this maybe his last year at JU. They based this on 1) his kid (QB Kalen Bell) was graduating, 2) his superb winning record (51-21), and 3) that JU was going in a different direction in football *, they did not expect to see Kerwin Bell coaching JU next year. Hmmmmm. * Could that mean that because they committed to abiding by the PFL rules, he wants out of there? Easy to speculate that knowing that if only purely need players would be used, his chances of recruiting the same athletes he's had in the past are now a thing of the past, he will be looking for better chances to win. It should be noted that all players who were given "additional" aid that resulted in JU vacating games and accepting ineligibility for a PFL title, were allowed to still stay in school for this season (if NCAA eligible of course).
As expected Kerwin Bell is out at JU. (Saw this on Brad Collignon's Twitter page.) Here's the link: http://collegead.com/jacksonville-university-8/ (http://collegead.com/jacksonville-university-8/) He wanted full scholarship. JU didn't. Contract not renewed. End of story.
From your earlier quote you mentioned that the Jax players would be allowed to stay in school this season. Do you know if that's going to carry forward. I had heard that the aid, even if "inappropriate additional" would not be taken away from players over the course of their 4 years of eligibility. So a freshman from last year could still receive 3 additional years of whatever aid they were receiving. Your comment implies it was only for this season. Do you know which is correct?
I believe that aid was for the course of a remaining player's eligibility, not just one year. However, this breach of league rules was happening in "previous years," so I don't quite know how many of the current team came under that provision. I am assuming that this year's freshmen got the correct aid and maybe even last year's class as well. So, of this year's team, I'm guessing the seniors leaving, as well as juniors at a minimum would have retained the illegal aid. Possibly the sophomores too. A best case for 2016 for other PFL opponents' benefit would be only next year's seniors would hold onto the additional aid. But I'm thinking probably both seniors and juniors retain the illegal aid in 2016. In 2017, it would only be that year's seniors (the juniors in 2016) and they'd be totally clean in 2018. But this is pure quessing on my part with absolutely no foundation in fact ???.
school for real wimps? C'mon man. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Valpo is proclaiming themselves as Division 1, they should at least try to take actions in that manner.
There are 251 Division I football programs for real wimps that are having more success than Valpo.