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Title: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 03:18:08 PM
Alec played 37 out of 40 minutes against Rhody.  Keith 34, Tevonn 31, Vashil 29, and Darien 24.    I think there's gonna be a lot of resting tomorrow night. Also figuring Darien's ankle will swell up on the plane ride home and he'll not be in the rotation for the next two games to rest for the Oregon trip.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 17, 2015, 03:31:55 PM
Are these games useful as a tune-up?

Or, once Rhode Island was scheduled, would we have preferred to cancel them?

Will we see Levingston Simon?

Has anyone been scouting intramurals or pick-up games?
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: justducky on November 17, 2015, 03:34:22 PM
Is Lexus healthy enough and in good enough shape to give us 25 minutes? His length of time on the floor may tell us much about his stage of recovery.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: Valpower on November 17, 2015, 03:43:22 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 17, 2015, 03:31:55 PM
Are these games useful as a tune-up?

Given how many minutes we played the starters, I'd say this could still be useful for keeping the bench sharp. (And for having Hammink and Adekoya serve their punishment?  :-[)
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: a3uge on November 17, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
I swear to god if anyone gets hurt during these two games...
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Didn't Jubril already serve his suspension?
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 17, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Didn't Jubril already serve his suspension?

Yeah, Jubril's good. Just Hammink waiting.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: vu72 on November 17, 2015, 05:21:04 PM
So these dudes are 0-3 and lost their last game to Calumet College of St. Joseph by 27.  I'd start Livingston-Simon, Lexus, Nick, Shane and Alec (need to keep his starting streak in tact!). Bring in E for Alec in the first 3 minutes and then keep Alec, Vashil, Darien, Tevonn on the bench.  The other should win by 30 or so.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
I'd sit Shane for the suspension.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: vu72 on November 17, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
I'd sit Shane for the suspension.


I thought of that after i posted!  Totally agree.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: humbleopinion on November 17, 2015, 06:14:41 PM
I hope Darien gets playing time and finds his shot.  It was great to see him hitting the glass, but we need him scoring as well.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 17, 2015, 06:38:54 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on November 17, 2015, 06:14:41 PM
I hope Darien gets playing time and finds his shot.  It was great to see him hitting the glass, but we need him scoring as well.

Agreed on his shooting, but probably they'll rest his ankle?
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 17, 2015, 06:38:54 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on November 17, 2015, 06:14:41 PM
I hope Darien gets playing time and finds his shot.  It was great to see him hitting the glass, but we need him scoring as well.

Agreed on his shooting, but probably they'll rest his ankle?

Speaking of ankles -- how is Derrik's?  In the pre game interview the term "Red Shirt" was actually said as a possibility by Bryce.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: humbleopinion on November 17, 2015, 07:47:32 PM
In a passing conversation with one of the coaches, I got the strong impression that a red shirt is quite likely.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2015, 09:13:56 PM
If so, there's  a big up side to that over the long haul.  He will again eventually practice this season against Vashil, but not exhaust a year of eligibility. He and Alec will team up for Alec's senior year.  Then what would have been his junior year (now soph) it will be his team for three years. Hope we can find a budding Alec to complement him by Alec's senior year -- and if we make a deep run the next two NCAAs that might not be such a stretch.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: usc4valpo on November 18, 2015, 08:33:37 AM
we need to destroy Duckzilla
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: IndyValpo on November 18, 2015, 10:29:14 AM
Remember in the 2011-2012 we played IU-Kokomo and Cincinnati Christian and we were short handed. We actually added 2 players from campus Griffy Carpenter and Nathan Stegelmann. Carpenter played those two games and was gone. Stegelmann stayed all season ultimately playing in 8 games.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: Valpower on November 18, 2015, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: a3uge on November 17, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
I swear to god if anyone gets hurt during these two games...
As you wouldn't want them to be hurt in any of the other 26, either, your statement may suggest there's something especially unimportant about these games.  I don't see it that way.   Depth is a very important attribute of this team and it needs to be maintained not just as a hedge against injury, but as a tactical advantage too.  I think that without these games you run the risk of retarding the development of the bench.  Right now, RPI and rank can be instrumental to Valpo in getting to the Dance and elevating the program's visibility so playing with a short rotation can be tempting because every D-1 game seems important. But I also think you also run the risk of peaking too early and limiting your options later on. What you really don't want is the players getting hurt because they were showboating on the court, but that applies to all games as well.

I've also gotta add that playing opponents that you're supposed to crush can sometimes have value as an opportunity to teach the players how to stay out of harm's way of a frustrated opponent.  The non-D1 teams can have a desperate, cornered-animal quality sometimes.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 18, 2015, 06:36:59 PM
Hammink suspended. Smits, Skara, DWalker not dressed. All is right with the universe.

In principle, could still go ten deep. So, hopefully it means that Alec, Vashil, Jubril, maybe others can get some rest.

A little too bad Darien doesn't get the chance to work out some kinks.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 18, 2015, 06:40:07 PM
We're on game four... and Oakland's playing their season opener?

Is this another one of those seasons where we play "most* wins in the country"? (*includes 2 non-D1's)

On kenpom.com (not sure if it's D1-only, or not) only seven teams with three wins. Milwaukee adds a loss to their three.

We should get to five before Kentucky, most impressive of the seven, gets to four.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: Pgmado on November 18, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
Kudos to Valparaiso public address announcer Mike Targonski. He's doing a great job tonight. Not sure what happened to talksalot, but I think he just got Wally Pipp'd.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: hailcrusaders on November 18, 2015, 07:25:59 PM
This feels oddly like the Iona game...
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: Smj on November 18, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Video/sound feed is horrible .....

Go Valpo!

Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: a3uge on November 18, 2015, 08:49:09 PM
That was painful to watch. Kudos to anyone who watched.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: vu72 on November 18, 2015, 08:56:40 PM
A classy performance and all that was needed.  We had some bench guys get some minutes and rested those who also needed it.  I have to say that hearing about Butler scoring 144 or 106 against St. Joe's tells me much about their program and none of it is good.  That is classless on the surface against a team clearly over matched and troubling on a deeper note. How much humiliation do you need to inflict on a team trying their best against a far superior opponent?  Why schedule these games if humiliation is your purpose? Bush League at it's best..
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: govalpogo on November 18, 2015, 09:02:44 PM
Yea...I get it...I would feel a little more satisfied if the score was even 80-39 though.  Petty I admit, but it just looks better. 
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: Chairback on November 18, 2015, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 18, 2015, 08:56:40 PMThat is classless on the surface against a team clearly over matched and troubling on a deeper note. How much humiliation do you need to inflict on a team trying their best against a far superior opponent?  Why schedule these games if humiliation is your purpose? Bush League at it's best..

You got it right.  Poor sportsmanship all around.  No reason for it for it whatsoever.  Running up the score doesn't make your team look awesome, it makes your program look like asses. Apparently their PA announcer kept reminding the crowd of a "new Butler scoring record" each time they scored more.  If they were playing a team other than the Citadel there would have been a brawl for the way they handled that game.  Classless.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: IndyValpo on November 19, 2015, 09:00:48 AM
Quote from: vu72 on November 18, 2015, 08:56:40 PMA classy performance and all that was needed.  We had some bench guys get some minutes and rested those who also needed it.  I have to say that hearing about Butler scoring 144 or 106 against St. Joe's tells me much about their program and none of it is good.  That is classless on the surface against a team clearly over matched and troubling on a deeper note. How much humiliation do you need to inflict on a team trying their best against a far superior opponent?  Why schedule these games if humiliation is your purpose? Bush League at it's best..

I dislike Butler as much or more than anyone on this board but The Citadel game had much less to do with Butler and all to do with the opponent. Think Dale Carlson....their new coach was successful at VMI using a hybrid Loyola Marymount / Grinnell style, basically run and shoot 3's as fast as you can. He does not have a team capable of doing this but they are running it anyway. They took 50 3's in this game making 10. Butler played no starter over 26 minutes, played everyone. Both walk-on's played about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 19, 2015, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: Smj on November 18, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Video/sound feed is horrible .....

Go Valpo!

I hope this hasn't been typical of home games?

I don't love the ESPN3 interface on my Mac, but I tested it against my iPod with a better interface.  It seems clear that there were problems with the audio _and_ the video, separately. Lots of stutters, skipped frames, silences, etc.  On top of missing the first chunk of the game.

Really painful to watch. We've gotten used to a higher standard. 

And really annoying that the symptoms were about the same as if the _viewer's_ computer had problems: CPU overload, or slow connection, etc.

(And, for the most part, the _audio_ always has been more reliable.  Even in the old low res days.  The video might flip to a lower resolution, or might have natively been lower res. But we at least got continuous audio.)

I wonder what the trouble was?  Hopefully it won't become a habit.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: a3uge on November 19, 2015, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 19, 2015, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: Smj on November 18, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Video/sound feed is horrible .....

Go Valpo!

I hope this hasn't been typical of home games?

I don't love the ESPN3 interface on my Mac, but I tested it against my iPod with a better interface.  It seems clear that there were problems with the audio _and_ the video, separately. Lots of stutters, skipped frames, silences, etc.  On top of missing the first chunk of the game.

Really painful to watch. We've gotten used to a higher standard. 

And really annoying that the symptoms were about the same as if the _viewer's_ computer had problems: CPU overload, or slow connection, etc.

(And, for the most part, the _audio_ always has been more reliable.  Even in the old low res days.  The video might flip to a lower resolution, or might have natively been lower res. But we at least got continuous audio.)

I wonder what the trouble was?  Hopefully it won't become a habit.
I had lots of issues last night with the Valpo game, but was watching Arkansas Akron game after and the stream was fine. It could be Valpo's network or something like that.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: valporun on November 19, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
We had a few subs on the audio for this game last night, so that could be an issue too. Experience working with the system becomes a problem, if you haven't worked it enough to be comfortable with it. I mean Todd was working with a different guy, and no Tommy on the sidelines. Either due to classes or needing a night to be a college student again?
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: talksalot on November 19, 2015, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on November 18, 2015, 06:55:02 PMKudos to Valparaiso public address announcer Mike Targonski. He's doing a great job tonight. Not sure what happened to talksalot, but I think he just got Wally Pipp'd.

Thanks to Mike for filling in!   I was in Tampa Florida celebrating my father's 85th Birthday...In 28 years, I've missed 8 games... Someone asked when the last time I missed two in a row...December 2000...when I missed three in row when I was in the hospital with prostate cancer.

Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: wh on November 19, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
His replacement did a fine job, but talksalot remains the undisputed king of the mic! 
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: Brandon on November 19, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: valporun on November 19, 2015, 05:55:22 PMWe had a few subs on the audio for this game last night, so that could be an issue too. Experience working with the system becomes a problem, if you haven't worked it enough to be comfortable with it. I mean Todd was working with a different guy, and no Tommy on the sidelines. Either due to classes or needing a night to be a college student again?

WVUR is the lone radio home for men's basketball this year (no more WEFM or WJOB), so part of the agreement is an increased role for students in the broadcast. A student did color for the two NAIA games, student sideline reporters for all home games (Tommy is the primary for that but a few others will rotate in) and increased students doing studio scoreboard updates.

As far as the ESPN3 video production - that's separate so I'm not really sure, but I don't believe there were any subs the other night. I believe it was just technical issues, no fault of the people producing the broadcast.
Title: Re: Game 4: IU-Kokomo 11/18 7:00PM
Post by: agibson on November 19, 2015, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 19, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
As far as the ESPN3 video production - that's separate so I'm not really sure, but I don't believe there were any subs the other night. I believe it was just technical issues, no fault of the people producing the broadcast.

I've not checked the archive of tonight's game, but here's what I got from Aaron

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