Record as of 12/12/15: 3-5; Streak: 2Ws
Notable Opponents:
Butler (L), Minnesota (L), Mississippi State (L), Utah State (L)
Oklahoma State (W), IUPUI (W)
Up Next before Valpo:
Tulsa (12/12), ORU (12/16)
At home, after finals, before break and 8 days after previous game.
Valpo 70
Mizz St 52
Stay healthy and keep the pressure on the whole second half.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 12, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Record as of 12/12/10: 3-5; Streak: 2Ws
Notable Opponents:
Butler (L), Minnesota (L), Mississippi State (L), Utah State (L)
Oklahoma State (W), IUPUI (W)
Up Next before Valpo:
Tulsa (12/12), ORU (12/16)
That's a nifty schedule they've put together there. The win over OK St. looks nice, as it will on us if we take care of business
Quote from: hailcrusaders on December 12, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 12, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Record as of 12/12/10: 3-5; Streak: 2Ws
Notable Opponents:
Butler (L), Minnesota (L), Mississippi State (L), Utah State (L)
Oklahoma State (W), IUPUI (W)
Up Next before Valpo:
Tulsa (12/12), ORU (12/16)
That's a nifty schedule they've put together there. The win over OK St. looks nice, as it will on us if we take care of business
Yes, it is. And we beat them 5 years ago. But I'm more interested in how MO ST is doing in 2015.
Quote from: bbtds on December 12, 2015, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on December 12, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 12, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Record as of 12/12/15: 3-5; Streak: 2Ws
Notable Opponents:
Butler (L), Minnesota (L), Mississippi State (L), Utah State (L)
Oklahoma State (W), IUPUI (W)
Up Next before Valpo:
Tulsa (12/12), ORU (12/16)
That's a nifty schedule they've put together there. The win over OK St. looks nice, as it will on us if we take care of business
Yes, it is. And we beat them 5 years ago. But I'm more interested in how MO ST is doing in 2015.
Fixed it :)
Hard to believe that Missouri State beat a pretty good Oklahoma State team, but that should be a warning that they can beat Valpo if Valpo is off their game.
I think that this game is closer than we wish it was.
Valpo 68, Missouri State 64
The team has made steady progress on improving defense and in passing in the last three games. If that continues VU 72- MSU 60, if they start slow look out. :crazy:
the MoSt - Tulsa game was yesterday...
Here's the AP Recap,
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST)
Here's the BOX
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST)
they recorded 6 blocked shots, basically a 6-man rotation... BUT, and most important... all of their names appear PRONOUNCE-ABLE!!
they made more free throws than 2-point baskets
Here's the write-up from the Missouri State website... on that game played in Stillwater...
http://www.missouristatebears.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/120515aaa.html (http://www.missouristatebears.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/120515aaa.html)
If we play our usual tough defense then I think we pull this one out. 3 for 17 from three does not bode well for the Bears. MO ST did outrebound Tulsa 43-38 so Valpo will have to make a good effort on the boards.
MSU vs. ORU, Wed. 7:05p CT, ESPN 3
Missouri State 85 (4-6) Oral Roberts 66
Missouri State opened on an 18-2 run and led 45-22 at the half
AP Recap: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST)
Box Score:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST)
Quote from: talksalot on December 16, 2015, 09:43:02 PM
Missouri State 85 (4-6) Oral Roberts 66
Missouri State opened on an 18-2 run and led 45-22 at the half
AP Recap: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST)
Box Score:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST)
This was a home and home that went the way our home and home with UCF did during the 13-14 season. We beat UCF by 15 at home (ORU beat Missouri St by 15 at home) then we lost by 18 at UCF (ORU lost by 19 on the road).
This game scares me. They obviously have talent (beat Ok St) but run hot and cold. Perhaps it's youth or new guys learning the system. We will need to be sharp. Very glad Tevonn will be back and hopefully E is back to his relative normal. All hands on deck!!
Hey guys, Missouri State Bears fan here. Just thought I would drop by and give you a little color around our team this year. The Bears struggled early on due to our inexperience and a very tough schedule. We have outstanding freshman and a JUCO guard who have been trying to find there way and figure out things at the D1 level. The light bulb finally came on against Utah State but we made a costly foul with three seconds left and lost the game by one. After that, we went to Oklahoma State and won almost wire to wire at a place that's been nearly impossible to win at for us over the years. Against Tulsa last week, our top scorer, Camyn Boon picked up two quick fouls in the first 3 minutes and sat the entire first half which dug us a big hole to climb out of. In the second half we rallied getting it down to 3 with under 4 minutes left but just ran out of gas. Against ORU last night, the Bears came out with fire and a purpose after being embarrassed by them during our first game of the year by 15.
We like to run and while we are very young we do have some outstanding athletes on this team. Probably some of the best freshman I have ever seen us have in 25 years of following the team.
We have a ton of respect for your program and most of us already chalked this one up as a loss for us but we have finally figured out how to play as a team so Im hoping we don't get embarrassed and at least make a good game of it. Looking forward to it!
Quote from: bearsfan on December 17, 2015, 01:50:24 PM
Hey guys, Missouri State Bears fan here. Just thought I would drop by and give you a little color around our team this year. The Bears struggled early on due to our inexperience and a very tough schedule. We have outstanding freshman and a JUCO guard who have been trying to find there way and figure out things at the D1 level. The light bulb finally came on against Utah State but we made a costly foul with three seconds left and lost the game by one. After that, we went to Oklahoma State and won almost wire to wire at a place that's been nearly impossible to win at for us over the years. Against Tulsa last week, our top scorer, Camyn Boon picked up two quick fouls in the first 3 minutes and sat the entire first half which dug us a big hole to climb out of. In the second half we rallied getting it down to 3 with under 4 minutes left but just ran out of gas. Against ORU last night, the Bears came out with fire and a purpose after being embarrassed by them during our first game of the year by 15.
We like to run and while we are very young we do have some outstanding athletes on this team. Probably some of the best freshman I have ever seen us have in 25 years of following the team.
We have a ton of respect for your program and most of us already chalked this one up as a loss for us but we have finally figured out how to play as a team so Im hoping we don't get embarrassed and at least make a good game of it. Looking forward to it!
Welcome bearsfan! Thanks for the info. We will be at full strength (I think) other than our 7'1" freshman center who is out for the year. We have played the last four game without Tevonn Walker who is a tremendous 2 guard. We can run as well but our focus is defense.
It looks like you run a guard offense with not a lot of size. We will start with 6'11, 6'9, 6'3, 6'2 and 6'1. Our three off the bench go 6'8, 6'7 and 6'7. Two of those guys are guards. We can play very big or fairly small. looking forward to the game. Anybody making the trip?
I will be flying in from Oklahoma. Last time I saw the Crusaders live was in Orlando against UCF. Looking forward to it.
I'm looking at a road trip, but to Nashville.
Tickets for the (Belmont) game are just $1, in advance!
Valpo 71
Missouri State 63
We seem to have good luck against the Bears, and I hope that continues! :)
Game #12 of the season... over the past 29 years, we are 20-9, 3rd best ! .... we bucked the trend with the Chicago State game, where game #11 is now tied at 15-15 over the past 30 years.
Here are the results for the previous few years in game 12...
2014-15: HOME, Beat Ball State 65-62... moved to 10-2 on the year, our RPI was 93 after the game
2013-14: HOME, Beat Loyola-Marymount 80-73... moved to 7-5 on the year, our RPI was 184 after the game
2012-13: HOME, Beat IUPUI 89-69... moved to 8-4 on the year, our RPI was 108 after the game
2011-12: AWAY, Beat Northern Illinois 59-48... moved to 8-4 on the year, our RPI was 116 after the game
2010-11: Neutral, Beat Eastern Michigan 74-67... moved to 8-4 on the year, our RPI was 77 after the game
2009-10... Lost @ IPFW 75-52... fell to 5-7, RPI was 254
Not much on the MSU board, but I do like this:
Other than that I hope it is a good game. They are 9-2 but we would be 9-2 with their schedule.
So, they would have 2 losses on a schedule that includes 2 PAC 12 teams on the road, 3 games against teams picked to win the A-10, OVC and MAAC, and Indiana State and Ball State on the road? I don't think so :).
Quote from: wh on December 18, 2015, 03:10:20 PM
Not much on the MSU board, but I do like this:
Other than that I hope it is a good game. They are 9-2 but we would be 9-2 with their schedule.
So, they would have 2 losses on a schedule that includes 2 PAC 12 teams on the road, 3 games against teams picked to win the A-10, OVC and MAAC, and Indiana State and Ball State on the road? I don't think so :).
According to Sagarin's predictor, they're favored in 7 of their next 20 games, with their best victory over 180 RPI Illinois State. So according to both statistics and common sense, no, they would not be 9-2 with our schedule.
The spread: Valpo -14
Mo. State seems to be making rapid improvement as the season progresses with a young team. Our defense will be tested against their small, quick lineup. Defensively, I'm not as worried about the 1 and 2 players as I am the 3 and 4 where we've not been consistent in stopping penetration from these spots. I'm worried about this game. Our opponents don't seem to be having the kind of seasons we'd anticipated them having (witness Belmont's loss at Middle Tennessee, Oregon's loss at Boise) so some of our success may be dimmed a little, but more importantly I worry about the layoff for finals when meals, sleep and practice times are irregular, players don't have as much down time to walk in and shoot for an hour and minds begin to wander to getting gifts for family, travel home, etc. Mo. State has a similar challenge including travel, of course, but an impressive mid-week game over what appears to be a decent ORU team may help keep them sharper. In addition, we won't have many students and probably not many fans period. Another overtime game?
Quote from: a3uge on December 18, 2015, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: wh on December 18, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
The spread: Valpo -14
That's a big spread...
Surprising for sure. 14 points (currently 15) is calling for a blowout. I would have thought 7 or 8, but no matter. It's all just for fun anyway.
Quote from: wh on December 18, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 18, 2015, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: wh on December 18, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
The spread: Valpo -14
That's a big spread...
Surprising for sure. 14 points (currently 15) is calling for a blowout. I would have thought 7 or 8, but no matter. It's all just for fun anyway.
This is probably a strong indicator of what they think Tevonn represents to the offensive flow.
I watched much of the MSU-ORU game and if I were betting the spread would take Missouri State. Tevonn is important but how much will he be allowed to play? Maybe we would like to hide him from the Belmont scouting report?
After watching the Belmont-Middle Tennessee game the other night... I'm fretting the MoSt game more than Belmont.
This Game will test us on the defense, due to Travons return disruptions and Finals. Belmont the same and life on the road.
Quote from: agibson on December 17, 2015, 08:51:32 PM
I'm looking at a road trip, but to Nashville.
Tickets for the (Belmont) game are just $1, in advance!
I'll be there, we should look each other up.
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that exorbitant price :lol:
Just when we get Tevonn back, we lose EVN:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/injuries-have-kept-valparaiso-from-showing-full-potential/article_3f59616f-ab99-5129-8a02-4b024d4f9e61.html?mobile_touch=true (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/injuries-have-kept-valparaiso-from-showing-full-potential/article_3f59616f-ab99-5129-8a02-4b024d4f9e61.html?mobile_touch=true)
Quote from: wh on December 19, 2015, 03:59:25 AM
Just when we get Tevonn back, we lose EVN:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/injuries-have-kept-valparaiso-from-showing-full-potential/article_3f59616f-ab99-5129-8a02-4b024d4f9e61.html?mobile_touch=true (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/injuries-have-kept-valparaiso-from-showing-full-potential/article_3f59616f-ab99-5129-8a02-4b024d4f9e61.html?mobile_touch=true)
Let's hope Shane can step it up to Oregon State standards!
Quote from: wh on December 19, 2015, 03:59:25 AM
Just when we get Tevonn back, we lose EVN:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/injuries-have-kept-valparaiso-from-showing-full-potential/article_3f59616f-ab99-5129-8a02-4b024d4f9e61.html?mobile_touch=true (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/injuries-have-kept-valparaiso-from-showing-full-potential/article_3f59616f-ab99-5129-8a02-4b024d4f9e61.html?mobile_touch=true)
Despite what the article says, if a hairline fracture is the same as a stress fracture (which it sounds like it is) you are usually looking at 4-6 weeks before the bone is healed and healthy enough for rigorous activity.
Quote from: wh on December 18, 2015, 03:10:20 PM
Not much on the MSU board, but I do like this:
Other than that I hope it is a good game. They are 9-2 but we would be 9-2 with their schedule.
So, they would have 2 losses on a schedule that includes 2 PAC 12 teams on the road, 3 games against teams picked to win the A-10, OVC and MAAC, and Indiana State and Ball State on the road? I don't think so :).
Any snide comments on our SOS now?
Nice win. Maybe most dominant and complete performance so far. Nice to have T. Walker back and playing back to form so quickly. Also nice to see D. Walker hit a couple of threes. If he can get it going we will be very tough to beat even if E Vic takes a while to get back.
So does that mean Missouri State would be 10-2 with our schedule?
Quote from: a3uge on December 19, 2015, 04:12:39 PM
So does that mean Missouri State would be 10-2 with our schedule?
I think their fans think their team beat themselves, so, yes.
Offense falters. Missouri State gets trounced.
http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/ (http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/)
Valparaiso made the NCAA tournament out of the Horizon League last season and returned more than 98 percent of its offense this year. The Crusaders already have road victories over Oregon State and Rhode Island this season, and the program is thought to be on the short list should the Missouri Valley Conference decide to expand once again.
"Absolutely," Lusk answered when asked if Valparaiso was a Valley-level opponent. "They can play with anyone in the country. We had no answer for Alec Peters. He's just a difficult matchup."
Quote from: wh on December 19, 2015, 11:08:36 PM
Offense falters. Missouri State gets trounced.
http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/ (http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/)
Valparaiso made the NCAA tournament out of the Horizon League last season and returned more than 98 percent of its offense this year. The Crusaders already have road victories over Oregon State and Rhode Island this season, and the program is thought to be on the short list should the Missouri Valley Conference decide to expand once again.
"Absolutely," Lusk answered when asked if Valparaiso was a Valley-level opponent. "They can play with anyone in the country. We had no answer for Alec Peters. He's just a difficult matchup."
I wonder who wrote that? :lol:
Quote from: Pgmado on December 20, 2015, 12:58:11 AM
Quote from: wh on December 19, 2015, 11:08:36 PM
Offense falters. Missouri State gets trounced.
http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/ (http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/)
Valparaiso made the NCAA tournament out of the Horizon League last season and returned more than 98 percent of its offense this year. The Crusaders already have road victories over Oregon State and Rhode Island this season, and the program is thought to be on the short list should the Missouri Valley Conference decide to expand once again.
"Absolutely," Lusk answered when asked if Valparaiso was a Valley-level opponent. "They can play with anyone in the country. We had no answer for Alec Peters. He's just a difficult matchup."
I wonder who wrote that? :lol:
That's funny! The thought never occurred to me that you might have written a piece for the opposing team's home paper. lol
So that begs the question - have you heard it being floated around in the MVC world that Valpo is on an MVC expansion short list, or is this simply Mr. Oren sending out a trial balloon? ;)
Quote from: Pgmado on December 20, 2015, 12:58:11 AM
Quote from: wh on December 19, 2015, 11:08:36 PM
Offense falters. Missouri State gets trounced.
http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/ (http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2015/12/19/offense-falters-missouri-state-gets-trounced/77300852/)
I wonder who wrote that? :lol:
Fascinating! Willing to share the details? Did they approach you?
Seems like it has definite possibilities instead of, or maybe along with, a wire piece.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 18, 2015, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: agibson on December 17, 2015, 08:51:32 PM
I'm looking at a road trip, but to Nashville.
Tickets for the (Belmont) game are just $1, in advance!
I'll be there, we should look each other up.
Nice! It'd be good. I think I've seen you from a distance, maybe in EE?, when at the ARC with your dad, some years ago, but I'm not sure we've ever had a chance to speak in person. I'll admit, I was slightly taken aback when you didn't look like Bono ;)
I'll have five family members in tow, so my options will be a bit constrained. Otherwise, I'd certainly propose a beer, or dinner, or both, etc. But we should at least find each other at the game. We shouldn't be too hard to find: two grandkids, two parents, two grandparents, hopefully sporting at least some Valpo gear. We're in the section behind the Valpo bench, maybe 2/3 of the way up, on the half-court side of that section.
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I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that exorbitant price :lol:
It made me seriously consider anti-social behavior. Should I buy all the seats in front of me? All the seats behind me? A couple to either side?
I guess noone's going to buy out the stadium, but a ne'er-do-well with a holiday bonus to spend could buy out a section or two.
Meanwhile, I looked up tickets for UIC-NIU on the 29th, and the website implies it's practically sold out. Color me skeptical.
I will look for the gaggle of folks talking to each other. I believe I'm row D behind the Valpo bench (section 114, unless I goofed).
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 21, 2015, 09:58:38 PM
I will look for the gaggle of folks talking to each other. I believe I'm row D behind the Valpo bench (section 114, unless I goofed).
Ah, you booked early! There were three rows that looked reserved, and you must be right behind those.
Maybe six rows behind you were mostly full, I went a bit further back to where I could get six close to the central aisle (somehow I don't like sitting behind the backboard - even in EE at the ARC I strongly prefer to sit on the center aisle).
I'd ask about Nashville, but maybe I'll wait for the game thread.
Was wondering why the inconsistency in having game highlights on YouTube, maybe something to do with Christmas break. I missed the play resulting in the Hammink dunk and was wondering if anybody knew the appox time this play occurred so I could look it up on the ESPN replay.
As a side note, in looking for the highlights on YouTube, I watched some highlights of Shane as a 16 year old tearing it up in the U20 dutch competition in February and April of 2011. Was surprised to find out that he is relatively young for a redshirt Junior with a birthday of 7/22/94.
Had the opportunity to finally watch the game. Our defense is insane. Missouri State couldn't get a decent look all game. They had 1 three all game and that was Kreklow pretending he's Steph Curry. On offense, Valpo seemed to get a number of open looks and layups. Peters was dominant in 27 minutes. Men among boys. Tevonn seemed to be a bit rusty early on, but he was great in the 2nd half. Skara didn't play too well and got blocked at the rim at least 3 times, but he played some great defense.
It's great to have a complete, dominating performance over a lesser team at home; it's what Valpo should be doing. Business as usual.
Quote from: FWalum on December 22, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
Was wondering why the inconsistency in having game highlights on YouTube, maybe something to do with Christmas break. I missed the play resulting in the Hammink dunk and was wondering if anybody knew the appox time this play occurred so I could look it up on the ESPN replay.
As a side note, in looking for the highlights on YouTube, I watched some highlights of Shane as a 16 year old tearing it up in the U20 dutch competition in February and April of 2011. Was surprised to find out that he is relatively young for a redshirt Junior with a birthday of 7/22/94.
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Thanks very much for the Vine! Nice screens by both Peters and Adekoya.
Maybe I'm old fashioned and naive but I care more about scoring more points instead of the showboating that leads to blown easy lay-ups or lay-ins. The goal should not be slamming balls home but getting the points recorded.
Kudos to Darien Walker who many times takes his good old sweet time when he could be slamming it home and carefully lays in the ball so he doesn't blow it.
I also don't want to see the bench showboating by doing crazy dances on the sidelines. I guess it goes against the grain of the way my coaches taught me as a kid and I'm not happy with it. Of course now the players will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
Maybe I'm old fashioned and naive but I care more about scoring more points instead of the showboating that leads to blown easy lay-ups or lay-ins. The goal should not be slamming balls home but getting the points recorded.
Kudos to Darien Walker who many times takes his good old sweet time when he could be slamming it home and carefully lays in the ball so he doesn't blow it.
I also don't want to see the bench showboating by doing crazy dances on the sidelines. I guess it goes against the grain of the way my coaches taught me as a kid and I'm not happy with it. Of course now the players will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
It's okay. I wasn't entirely comfortable with the antics last March when E Victor hit that 3 to tie the game in the second half either, but mostly because when you're backpedaling with a faux phone to one ear, you might not be as focused as you need to be.
At the same time, there's nothing offensive to me about kids having fun with the game. I still remember Skip Collins back in the early 80s when he had the Hardens, et. al., and he was quoted in the paper being asked about all the behind the back passes (I remember one full court behind the back pass from Roger Harden to the Furlin kid, can't remember his first name), and he said, "Hey, I like it. They have these skills, why shouldn't they show them off for the fans."
I will say that it seems to me the number one objective with dunking is to remove margin for error, not increase it ;)
Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
Maybe I'm old fashioned and naive but I care more about scoring more points instead of the showboating that leads to blown easy lay-ups or lay-ins. The goal should not be slamming balls home but getting the points recorded.
Kudos to Darien Walker who many times takes his good old sweet time when he could be slamming it home and carefully lays in the ball so he doesn't blow it.
I also don't want to see the bench showboating by doing crazy dances on the sidelines. I guess it goes against the grain of the way my coaches taught me as a kid and I'm not happy with it. Of course now the players will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
Why would a lay-in be easier there?
Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
Maybe I'm old fashioned and naive but I care more about scoring more points instead of the showboating that leads to blown easy lay-ups or lay-ins. The goal should not be slamming balls home but getting the points recorded.
Kudos to Darien Walker who many times takes his good old sweet time when he could be slamming it home and carefully lays in the ball so he doesn't blow it.
I also don't want to see the bench showboating by doing crazy dances on the sidelines. I guess it goes against the grain of the way my coaches taught me as a kid and I'm not happy with it. Of course now the players will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
Those antics might account for Monmouth's R/V this week because of all the press coverage that brought (not taking away their 2 quality wins though)
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2015, 03:03:43 PMWhy would a lay-in be easier there?
How many blown lay-ins can you think of as compared to blown dunks?
Shuuuuuut up...bench celebrations keep those guys in the game and are fun for 99% of the crowd to watch. I showed my bench guys highlights of the Monmouth bench before our last game. They loved it. On court celebrations are basically the same. As long as you aren't doing something derogatory or taunting an opponent during a blowout, go have your fun!
I'm thinking he's joking about layups over dunks...he's gotta be joking.
Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2015, 01:34:12 PMOf course now the players younger posters will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
I assume we are of different generations. To each their own. I was expressing an opinion.
The lay-in thing is true. It's why coaches such as Wooden, Knight, Gene Bartow, Keady, etc. didn't allow it on their teams.
Quote from: bbtds on December 24, 2015, 10:35:40 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2015, 01:34:12 PMOf course now the players younger posters will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
I assume we are of different generations. To each their own. I was expressing an opinion.
The lay-in thing is true. It's why coaches such as Wooden, Knight, Gene Bartow, Keady, etc. didn't allow it on their teams.
Far be it from me to poke such legends, but it depends on what kind of dunk. If you're trying to impress judges with lots of style, obviously a layup is better. If you go up with the no-nonsense approach, I still think dunking is better. Less margin for error.
Would like to know if Valpo plays Missouri St. at Springfield, MO next year?
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 27, 2015, 05:15:49 PMWould like to know if Valpo plays Missouri St. at Springfield, MO next year?
We will play a return game somewhere.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 27, 2015, 12:51:11 AMFar be it from me to poke such legends, but it depends on what kind of dunk. If you're trying to impress judges with lots of style, obviously a layup is better. If you go up with the no-nonsense approach, I still think dunking is better. Less margin for error.
You are only partially correct. The shorter and less athletic you are the more things that can and do go wrong. Players will jump too soon, too late, off stride or indecisively leading to those long bounces off the rim that are sometimes turned into quick points for the other team. That is what the coaches really hate.
Quote from: justducky on December 27, 2015, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 27, 2015, 05:15:49 PMWould like to know if Valpo plays Missouri St. at Springfield, MO next year?
We will play a return game somewhere.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 27, 2015, 12:51:11 AMFar be it from me to poke such legends, but it depends on what kind of dunk. If you're trying to impress judges with lots of style, obviously a layup is better. If you go up with the no-nonsense approach, I still think dunking is better. Less margin for error.
You are only partially correct. The shorter and less athletic you are the more things that can and do go wrong. Players will jump too soon, too late, off stride or indecisively leading to those long bounces off the rim that are sometimes turned into quick points for the other team. That is what the coaches really hate.
I'm talking about standing there in front of the basket, whether square or on either side, jumping up with 2 hands and dropping the ball through, not anything with a lot of testosterone behind it.
Then again, maybe those opportunities are few enough that my point is immaterial ;)
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Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2015, 01:34:12 PMOf course now the players younger posters will want an apology from me----"how can you take away our fun?"
I assume we are of different generations. To each their own. I was expressing an opinion.
The lay-in thing is true. It's why coaches such as Wooden, Knight, Gene Bartow, Keady, etc. didn't allow it on their teams.
Why do you think Wooden and Knight didn't allow dunking? I think they both liked the high percentage shot.
If you watch games from about 1968 through 1976, including IU's NCAA championship game, you might be misled into thinking they didn't like the dunk, but the dunk was illegal during those years (Lew Alcindor rule)
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