http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-1-theres-valpo-everybody-else/
Jimmy Lemke from PantherU and some dude that follows Cleveland State created a Horizon League Podcast. The first episode is pretty good, includes lots of Valpo talk, Horizon League, expansion, etc. I'm sure it'll only last a few episodes, like every project on the internet, but definitely worth a listen.
I listened for 19 minutes while playing Plants vs Zombies with my kids. 19 minutes was more then enough for me. Probably a fun project to work on for those guys. Did the Oakland vs Detroit chat have any good back and forth?
Quote from: HC on January 11, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
I listened for 19 minutes while playing Plants vs Zombies with my kids. 19 minutes was more then enough for me. Probably a fun project to work on for those guys. Did the Oakland vs Detroit chat have any good back and forth?
Not really, but I don't find it all that compelling of a rivalry. The past two years, both teams have been under .500. Maybe it'll be more important this year.
They talked a bunch about Valpo recruiting and expansion, which was interesting coming from a neutral party.
I heard the Valpo recruiting part. We apparently recruit Europe well even though I'd bet the coaches didn't spend much time in Europe getting the LSU transfer, the Jamaican, the two guys from Canada, or the kid from the prep school in Merrilville. It is interesting to hear what outsiders think.
(Modified to remove my snarky comment at the end)
The discussion was at least somewhat interesting, up until they started talking about our foreign recruits. Yes, I am sure that we go to recruits and tell them that we are the same as the high major programs, and that is the reason they commit to us...are you kidding me?!?! They come to Valpo because it is a quality US education as rated every year by any publication that matters, and they get to play D-1 basketball for a program that wins EVERY year. If you are a kid from outside the US and you look at the other schools in the HL, you will immediately notice that we are the only program that has 2 losing seasons in the last what, 20 seasons? You also notice that massive amount of championship banners that men's basketball has in the rafters. THAT is why they come to Valpo, as they will win, and get a strong education.
Quote from: valpotx on January 12, 2016, 01:21:17 PMThe discussion was at least somewhat interesting, up until they started talking about our foreign recruits. Yes, I am sure that we go to recruits and tell them that we are the same as the high major programs, and that is the reason they commit to us...are you kidding me?!?!
No, it's the waves of Lutheran missionaries, the Valpo shirts to be seen in cities throughout Europe, er, throughout Canada and the Caribbean!
It's at least an interesting question. Why _are_ we more successful than other programs at recruiting internationally? Is it our brand? Do we put a lot more effort into it? What does that effort look like? In the 90's Homer and Scott and crew may have been early adopters. But, at this point it's hardly a novel idea.
The amount of Valpo content was more satisfying than in Episode 0, at least. Even if some of it was harebrained.
I respect what they're trying to do, and I'll keep listening. It's not easy to be authoritative about ten teams across the Horizon League.
A lot of spitballing mixed into their content, for sure. But, the Horizon League _was_ in need of a podcast.
Quote from: agibson on January 12, 2016, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 12, 2016, 01:21:17 PMThe discussion was at least somewhat interesting, up until they started talking about our foreign recruits. Yes, I am sure that we go to recruits and tell them that we are the same as the high major programs, and that is the reason they commit to us...are you kidding me?!?!
No, it's the waves of Lutheran missionaries, the Valpo shirts to be seen in cities throughout Europe, er, throughout Canada and the Caribbean!
It's at least an interesting question. Why _are_ we more successful than other programs at recruiting internationally? Is it our brand? Do we put a lot more effort into it? What does that effort look like? In the 90's Homer and Scott and crew may have been early adopters. But, at this point it's hardly a novel idea.
The amount of Valpo content was more satisfying than in Episode 0, at least. Even if some of it was harebrained.
I respect what they're trying to do, and I'll keep listening. It's not easy to be authoritative about ten teams across the Horizon League.
A lot of spitballing mixed into their content, for sure. But, the Horizon League _was_ in need of a podcast.
I assumed a lot of the Valpo recruiting talk was made in jest. At least, I hope. It's not like Lutheranism in the Midwest is a new thing.
I did go back and listen to episode 0. It seemed like they had some interesting topics, but jumped around before they got real interesting. Episode 1 was better. Looking forwards to episode 2.
Quote from: a3uge on January 12, 2016, 03:52:57 PMI assumed a lot of the Valpo recruiting talk was made in jest. At least, I hope. It's not like Lutheranism in the Midwest is a new thing.
I wasn't so generous in my interpretation, perhaps you're right!. They seemed well-intentioned, knowledgable about some things, and a bit ignorant about others.
Quote from: valpotx on January 12, 2016, 01:21:17 PMYes, I am sure that we go to recruits and tell them that we are the same as the high major programs, and that is the reason they commit to us...are you kidding me?!?! They come to Valpo because it is a quality US education as rated every year by any publication that matters, and they get to play D-1 basketball for a program that wins EVERY year.
The academic accomplishments of one Vashil Fernandez certainly won't hurt in attracting foreign recruits!
My apologies if this video has been referenced before on the message board, but I think it shows directly the kind of pitch that Valpo makes to international recruits.
https://youtu.be/ZvPN0dwcz74 (https://youtu.be/ZvPN0dwcz74)
Quote from: ml2 on January 13, 2016, 08:12:52 AM
My apologies if this video has been referenced before on the message board, but I think it shows directly the kind of pitch that Valpo makes to international recruits.
https://youtu.be/ZvPN0dwcz74 (https://youtu.be/ZvPN0dwcz74)
Thanks for posting this video. Very impressive. Tells a very clear story.
Thanks ml2, glad to see you still find time to visit the board!
Quote from: ml2 on January 13, 2016, 08:12:52 AM
My apologies if this video has been referenced before on the message board, but I think it shows directly the kind of pitch that Valpo makes to international recruits.
https://youtu.be/ZvPN0dwcz74 (https://youtu.be/ZvPN0dwcz74)
Nice video!
It amused me to see that my left hand made an appearance, in the somewhat random clip of the Bach Choir, around 5m45.
Episode 2 : http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-2-metro-series-preview/
Two new guys joined - someone from Oakland and another from Detroit. The Oakland guy is the same one that said their statistically below average on defense forward that was one of the worst rebounders in the Horizon was "cheated" out of defensive player of the year award. In the episode he even blamed Oakland's poor defense this year on his absence.
A lot of "us" and "we" talk got confusing. Had no idea which guy belonged to which team. Kind of hard to follow, and a lot of tangents that completely derailed the original topic.
The most interesting thing was the talk about the tournament, I guess. All four seemed to defend it.
Some talk about how they miss the Horizon League Network - disagreed with all of that.
Of course they defend the tournament not being on Valpo's campus any more. Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland State, and Milwaukee would not have been given the opportunity to host it ever again, as long as Bryce is our coach :)
Also, "look at me I'm an insider!" makes a return.
Most of these guys, and probably most of us too, are all a bunch of clowns who think they know everything about the team they cheer for.
Quote from: HC on January 15, 2016, 02:25:01 PM
Most of these guys, and probably most of us too, are all a bunch of clowns who think they know everything about the team they cheer for.
And what separates them from the guys on the radio or ESPN is... a bit of polish? ;)
A research team, years of schooling, actual interviews with coaches and administration.... I'm sure Ore, Amin, and all the other sports reporters/broadcasters would be thrilled to hear they are no different then a few bloggers.
We should start a competing podcast, who's with me?
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2016, 04:46:15 PM
We should start a competing podcast, who's with me?
Each week interview a donkey wearing the hat/clothes of an opponent - "And this week we are interviewing ????, a fan from ????"
You could get guests like pgmado, amin, and chef, with chef giving the probabilities of card playing during the summer months.
The goat idea is fantastic, but then you legitimized it with actual guest who report sports for a living.
Imagine....
This week's guest is a Sheep, he's a fan of NKU. Sheep, what is your opinion on the tourney being in Detroit.
"Baaaaaaaaad," Sheep
Quote from: agibson on January 15, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: HC on January 15, 2016, 02:25:01 PM
Most of these guys, and probably most of us too, are all a bunch of clowns who think they know everything about the team they cheer for.
And what separates them from the guys on the radio or ESPN is... a bit of polish? ;)
Guys on the radio - not sure who you mean.
ESPN -- what separates them from ESPN is that "these guys" are actually knowledgeable about the HL. ESPN crams for a half hour and acts like they are knowledgeable.
Well they are semi knowledgeable about their teams.
I'm game...watch many games and as many of the Horizon Leagues as I can even when rebroadcast.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 15, 2016, 05:45:48 PMGuys on the radio - not sure who you mean.
Sportz Radio, more or less. Sports Talk Radio. ESPN 1000, that kind of thing.
Certainly wasn't referring to Todd!
Quote from: agibson on January 15, 2016, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 15, 2016, 05:45:48 PMGuys on the radio - not sure who you mean.
Sportz Radio, more or less. Sports Talk Radio. ESPN 1000, that kind of thing.
Certainly wasn't referring to Todd!
Ah. I only consume WSCR, and never when they talk College Basketball because they mostly shun our level anyway. I don't listen to other stations so I can't comment.
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2016, 04:46:15 PM
We should start a competing podcast, who's with me?
I'm with you. Those guys on that podcast suck something awful. ;D
The talk about recruiting internationally was mostly in jest. Paul Spicuzza (infinitely more knowledgeable than me on the Panthers and the Horizon League) and I would joke about Homer telling international recruits there's really no difference between UConn, Louisville, and Valpo. "You can pick UConn, Louisville, or Valpo - it's all pretty much the same thing!" Totally in jest, but if you're really bothered by it, know it's because Valpo recruits internationally better than about 98% of teams in Division I - truly.
I've never been shy about my status as a blogger - I'm no Paul Oren or Rob Demovsky or...any of the guys Wright State has had in the last decade. Paul was jokingly disappointed he wasn't a guest on the first episode, so
By the way, Episode 3 is up after we recorded the show yesterday (http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-3-getting-to-cleveland-states-problems-a-little-early-arent-you/). This one is a little less on basketball and a little heavier on CSU's problems getting people to games, but I still hope you folks give it a listen. Subscribe if you can and let's see if we can drum up some more interest in Horizon League hoops!
BTW a3uge, you're more than welcome to come on whenever you get a free Sunday. MAYBE WE CAN MAKE YOU AN INSIDER TOO!!!!
Check it out, StlVUFan is on the Podcast this week! Roundtable 5 The Halfway Episode (http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-5-the-halfway-episode/) I think we can expect that VU will be one of the main topics.
http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-6-whos-separating-themselves/
Podcast 6: Does Valpo have a chance at an at-large? We learn Valpo beating Oregon State was about the same as Milwaukee beating Minnesota, and the 2nd best team has about an RPI of 80. Cmon Jimmy, do your homework first!
I've only listened to parts of 3 of the episodes...Jimmy you sound like some sort of creeper operating out of a windowless van every time you chime in with your initial greeting.
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2016, 04:18:57 PM
http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-6-whos-separating-themselves/ (http://fourlights.fm/hr/horizone-roundtable-6-whos-separating-themselves/)
Podcast 6: Does Valpo have a chance at an at-large? We learn Valpo beating Oregon State was about the same as Milwaukee beating Minnesota, and the 2nd best team has about an RPI of 80. Cmon Jimmy, do your homework first!
And will someone tell him to fix whatever is wrong with his mic or VOIP software that makes it practically cut out half the time. Comparing a Warren Nolan RPI #41 Oregon State to RPI #248 Minnesota is very poor research. I love the fact that they beat a BIG10 school, but Minnesota's best win is at home against #90 Clemson. They also lost to 2 of the 4 Summit teams they played. 6-7 teams in the post season also seems a stretch to me unless a lot of higher rated teams won't pay to play.
Wow, that is a terrible comparison. Oregon State beat Utah and Colorado recently, who have both been ranked this year. Minnesota has been crap all season. No comparison should ever be made between those teams this season...
UWM fan lays down the gospel truth on the upcoming HL tournament, YSU, espn3:
https://soundcloud.com/fourlightsfm/horizone-roundtable-9-jimmy-goes-nuts?in=fourlightsfm/sets/cpbx-sidebar
Entertaining podcast, for sure...
But good lord does every episode have to include a discussion about kicking YSU out of the conference? We get it, the Horizon made a mistake. We all agree. But kicking them out? It was never going to happen instead of adding NKU - the Horizon wasn't going to have 6 baseball teams and 5 cc/track teams.
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 04:34:18 PMthe Horizon wasn't going to have 6 baseball teams and 5 cc/track teams.
I do think the baseball aspect is easily forgotten when talking about YSU getting kicked out of the HL.
Quote from: historyman on March 07, 2016, 01:04:49 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 04, 2016, 04:34:18 PMthe Horizon wasn't going to have 6 baseball teams and 5 cc/track teams.
I do think the baseball aspect is easily forgotten when talking about YSU getting kicked out of the HL.
I'm sure that's the excuse. It's also remedied very easily by bringing in someone who is on an outpost in their conference and would like to lessen their travel restrictions. I think the obvious answer would be Chicago State, if they weren't in dire financial circumstances. There also might be a school in Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri or West Virginia that would like to play one sport at the Division I level a la Dallas Baptist, where they can be an associate member. Also are we 100% out of teams to play baseball? CSU can't be talked into getting back into it? Detroit doesn't want to get into baseball? Any conference the Titans have talked about moving to when they're angry is a baseball conference - MVC, A10, MAAC.
But I'm not here to talk about YSU, which I just am dead tired on (in the podcast today I decline to talk about it haha). I'm here to say that I wish I saw this a month ago:
QuoteJimmy you sound like some sort of creeper operating out of a windowless van every time you chime in with your initial greeting.
I just laughed out loud when I read this. Hank, you're the best.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, embrace it! Make it your thing! :thumbsup:
I'm assuming you are going to put your AD on blast in the next episode, that'll be worth a listen for sure!