Per his twitter, Triton HS shooting guard is heading to Valpo.
Do we presume that he'll be a walk-on?
From the Butler board in December 2009
bcarpenter wrote: is there anyone who follows Indiana High School recruiting, who could give me any information on Griffyn Carpenter from Triton High School in Bourbon, Indiana? I know he recently had a big game scoring 32 points with 8 three pointers against Mishawaka Marian, but I can't find anymore info.
Griffyn Carpenter is a junior at Triton and only stands 5'10". Triton plays in Class 1A, the smallest class in Indiana. Griffyn is a good player at that level, but is most definitely not a Division I basketball prospect (he isn't even on the collective recruiting service's radar...).
Thanks Duck, apparently the kid is a distant relative of mine and I overheard an absurd claim that he was receiving interest from WSU, Cleveland State, Butler, and Valpo...I do know that his father (my uncle) played for Homer Drew back when he coached at Bethel College in Mishawaka.
and from the ISU board:
Taken from an ESPN article from a Scouts.com reporter: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...magesPrint=off (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...magesPrint=off)
Griffyn Carpenter SG, 6-0, 165 Sophomore, Triton. / Bourbon, Ind.
Carpenter is a deep 3-point threat off the catch or dribble. He has a good-looking stroke with a strong release and follows through. Although he didn't shoot well this weekend, all his shots look to have a chance to go in. Carpenter is a below-average athlete but is strong for his size. He knocks down shots by sprinting the lane in transition, reading penetration or coming off screens. He will also sneak in the lane for an occasional defensive rebound, but he knows his role is to make open 3s.
Maybe a shorter version of Zach Hahn, that maybe a stretch?
I've been able to connect the dots a bit. Griffyn's dad, Jack, did play for Bethel under Homer. He was also a very good golfer (we were the same age, so I played against him in HS).
A quick visit to IHSAA.org would seem to indicate that Griffyn and his younger brother Quentyn are both very good golfers. It's not impossible to do the golf/basketball combination in college, but the fall golf season really interferes with pre-season workouts. Best of luck to Griffyn and congrats to his family!
As far as I know, he'll be doing both basketball and golf.
Here is a video of Carpenter playing during his senior year, though you may want to turn off the volume (not sure why "Californication" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers was selected for accompaniment):
Griffyn Carpenter (#4 Triton High School) - Basketball Highlights, Senior Year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_FZD7GEHJ4#ws)
Didn't see much of a left hand....good shooter. He will need a bit of a quicker release I think, but I'm no talent scout.
It seems the regional game against Morgan Twp was featured. I wonder how Griffyn would stack up against Brandon Grubl. They seem to be similar types of players.
I wonder how he will stack up against Erik Buggs, Jay Harris, Matt Kenney, Will Bogan, Ben Boggs and even Nick Shelton. Let's not get too excited fellas.
His height is shown as 5'11", 6'0" and 6'1" in this thread. :rotfl:
Quote from: sectionee on July 22, 2011, 04:32:17 PM
Didn't see much of a left hand....good shooter. He will need a bit of a quicker release I think, but I'm no talent scout.
i saw a decent amount of left hand.
I saw the end of Triton's semistate victory in Lafayette. It was an overtime win. I'm pretty sure the best player on Triton's team was a sophomore this past season, 6-5 or so, and I believe VU is recruiting him. If this Carpenter kid is walking on, maybe that is some incentive for the younger kid to choose VU in a year or two.
Griffyn says he is 6'1''. I will have more with him on my blog here later today. Will post a link when it is done.
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/07/meet-griffyn-carpenter-sharpshooter.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/07/meet-griffyn-carpenter-sharpshooter.html)
Learn a bit more about Griffyn here.
Interesting read. I'd like to see more of him on film against the better competition. He can shoot, I can see that. Did see him catch and shoot a couple of times and for him to be helpful at the next level that's what he'll need to work on. I noticed that defenders can get into his body pretty easily. Not sure what he can do as far as creating his own shot, but I mostly see a catch and shoot or spot up shooter. Can he shoot free throws?
I really would like to see film of him against better competition and that's one of the reasons I really don't like class basketball.
Thanks for posting the interview--but--who does your editing?? "Where you recruited by Valparaiso" :crazy:
EE - Congratulations again on another fine job. You have really added a lot of value to the board with these interviews. Griffyn Carpenter sounds like a great kid - the type of young person we want at Valpo, irrespective of athletic achievements.
These interviews are really great. I will take a misspeled :o word occassionally for the info.
Triton has had incredible success over the years. Also, no doubt he faced great competition in the summer basketball circuit.
lowposter
Quote from: vu72 on July 23, 2011, 04:29:46 PM
Thanks for posting the interview--but--who does your editing?? "Where you recruited by Valparaiso" :crazy:
The job is open if you want it. I'm a math teacher so I'm not so good with all them there words.
Quote from: sectionee on July 24, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
Quote from: vu72 on July 23, 2011, 04:29:46 PM
Thanks for posting the interview--but--who does your editing?? "Where you recruited by Valparaiso" :crazy:
The job is open if you want it. I'm a math teacher so I'm not so good with all them there words.
Hope you knew I was joking! Thanks very much for chasing down these guys. It adds tons to the board! :thumbsup:
lol no it's cool. No one picks on my poor grammar more then my wife. I have a good sense of humor feel free to crack away!
sectionee,
I don't know if you are aware of it or not but these interviews you are conducting are NCAA violations and can get Valpo into trouble. Below is a exert from the University of North Dakota that they posted for their fans about interactions with recruits:
The internet has provided the opportunity for boosters from all over the world to communicate with each other in a way that was not possible before. The following regulations regarding the internet are very important for all boosters to know:
(1) Web sites: The NCAA does not consider the boosters who run Web sites to be members of the media. Therefore, when the administrators of these sites contact a prospective student-athlete (an individual who has started classes for the seventh grade in basketball and ninth grade for all other sports), interview them, and place that interview on their Web site, the University of North Dakota is responsible for the impermissible contact. Recently, the University of Kentucky had a situation where football prospective student-athletes were interviewed by the administrator of such a Web site, which resulted in a NCAA violation for Kentucky. As a result of this violation, the University had to declare both prospective student-athletes (who eventually signed with Kentucky) ineligible and appeal to the NCAA to have their eligibility reinstated.
(2) Message Boards: Boosters participating on a message board are not permitted to write, call, instant message, text, chat with, or e-mail a prospect. Sometimes we will read on a message board that someone thinks it is okay to contact a prospect once they sign a National Letter of Intent with North Dakota. However, that signing does not change the fact he or she is still a prospect and all prohibitions against booster contact continue to apply. We often also hear comments that because a person is not a graduate of North Dakota or a season ticket holder, they believe they are not a booster and it is okay for them to contact a prospect. However, part of the NCAA's definition of a booster includes anyone who contacts a recruit on behalf of the institution. Therefore, as soon as someone on a message board e-mails or sends a message out to a recruit, they automatically become a booster and are subject to the NCAA rules prohibiting such contact.
(3) Social Networking: Boosters are not permitted to use social networking websites such as Facebook, Twitter, and MySpace to contact or otherwise attempt to correspond with prospects. This includes, but is not limited to, posting on a wall, using the inbox/e-mail feature, instant messaging, "@replies", "mentions", or direct messaging. Recently, NC State University sent a cease-and-desist letter to a student who had formed a Facebook group urging a prospect to come to the university. The university saw the group as a fan's attempt to recruit the prospect, thus violating NCAA rules.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=154525861269249 (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=154525861269249)
That is the last thing I want to happen so I will get in contact with some people over there and have them check out what I'm writing. If they don't like it, it will be gone.
I'm pretty certain every person I've "interviewed" is a registered student of the university. We'll see I suppose.
Inside the Hall interviews recruits much more in advance then I do. Pretty sure I'm safe. Thanks for your concern though. http://www.insidethehall.com/2011/07/15/q-a-hanner-perea-talks-improvement-mindset/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/2011/07/15/q-a-hanner-perea-talks-improvement-mindset/)
those excerpts you provided are from the university of north dakota, so do they apply all across the board to all division 1 institutions?
Valpo's AD says he sees nothing wrong with what I'm doing. So we shall continue the course.
It applies to all
Quote from: sectionee on July 25, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
Valpo's AD says he sees nothing wrong with what I'm doing. So we shall continue the course.
You should probably check with Valpo's compliance office. ADs are not as up to date on all compliance issues as the people who get paid to do the job. I am one of the admins of WSU's Raider Nation board. I was planning on starting a blog feature to interview incoming recruits just like you are doing. I talked to WSU's compliance office several times last year and they shot it down for the reasons mentioned above in the post I made. Unless you are eligible to receive media credentials at a game you are not considered a legit media source. You are considered a booster. Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules.
I am not trying to bust your chops with my post. I am just sharing what I have been told in the past my our compliance office.
Here is part of the message I got form ML. I'll leave it here and just keep doing what I'm doing unless they say otherwise.
I don't see where you have spoken to any of the staff or current players about any of our recruits. So, as far as I can tell you haven't done anything that is contrary to NCAA rules or would separate you from other members of the media.
I have copied our Compliance Director on this response in case there is something that I have missed in the rules.
I enjoy reading you blog.
Thanks for checking on the rules.
Mark L
The only point where I see this issue arising would be in the one question where you ask Vucic about playing alongside Vashil Fernandez. As of now, despite reports here or in the media and Vashil's indications on Facebook or Twitter--as well as our personal knowledge or evidence he is on campus, living in Valpo, taking classes, and apparently active in informal games with the other players--I have yet to see an official VU announcement of his status as a member of the team. Indeed, things appear confusing since with him we believe there are presently more players than scholarship spots.
Nevertheless, if Vashil is already an enrolled student at VU, he should be eligible for discussion in your blog as well. Every other player interviewed has been formally announced or, in the case of Carpenter, is not a recruit but a walk-on hopeful. I see no problems with interviewing them at all.
In any case, I enjoy the blog and applaud what you are doing.
Quote from: BigDWSU on July 25, 2011, 03:46:48 PM
It applies to all Quote from: sectionee on July 25, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
Valpo's AD says he sees nothing wrong with what I'm doing. So we shall continue the course.
You should probably check with Valpo's compliance office. ADs are not as up to date on all compliance issues as the people who get paid to do the job. I am one of the admins of WSU's Raider Nation board. I was planning on starting a blog feature to interview incoming recruits just like you are doing. I talked to WSU's compliance office several times last year and they shot it down for the reasons mentioned above in the post I made. Unless you are eligible to receive media credentials at a game you are not considered a legit media source. You are considered a booster. Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules.
I am not trying to bust your chops with my post. I am just sharing what I have been told in the past my our compliance office.
I tend to agree with this. I am not implying that the AD is wrong. However, just to be absolutely safe and to cover your arse, to determine whether you qualify as a "booster" or an "athletics representative" of the University your answer should come from someone with designation from VU's Compliance Department, particularly if you are a member of the Crusader Club currently or have donated any amount of money to Valpo athletics in the past.
BIGDWSU: "Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules."
As far as I can tell from looking at the Section EE blog, nobody was a "recruit" when interviewed: all already had been officially announced or declared he was a hopeful walk-on (Carpenter). Therefore, none could have been "influenced in their college decision" by the interview.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on July 25, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
I tend to agree with this. I am not implying that the AD is wrong. However, just to be absolutely safe and to cover your arse, to determine whether you qualify as a "booster" or an "athletics representative" of the University your answer should come from someone with designation from VU's Compliance Department, particularly if you are a member of the Crusader Club currently or have donated any amount of money to Valpo athletics in the past.
ee has already posted that ML is having the Compliance Office look it over as well...
Quote from: sectionee on July 25, 2011, 03:50:58 PM
Here is part of the message I got form ML. I'll leave it here and just keep doing what I'm doing unless they say otherwise.
I don't see where you have spoken to any of the staff or current players about any of our recruits. So, as far as I can tell you haven't done anything that is contrary to NCAA rules or would separate you from other members of the media.
I have copied our Compliance Director on this response in case there is something that I have missed in the rules.
I enjoy reading you blog.
Thanks for checking on the rules.
Mark L
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
BIGDWSU: "Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules."
As far as I can tell from looking at the Section EE blog, nobody was a "recruit" when interviewed: all already had been officially announced or declared he was a hopeful walk-on (Carpenter). Therefore, none could have been "influenced in their college decision" by the interview.
Until a student athlete signs their LOI, they are still considered a recruit in the eyes of the NCAA. It doesn't matter if they have declared their intentions to attend Valpo or any other institution. They can always change their mind until they sign their LOI and enroll for classes.
Compliance and the AD's office are both aware of what I'm writing. If they say to stop then I will stop. The message from ML came at 9:45am, plenty of time for compliance to get back to me today. Until I hear something I will keep doing what I'm doing. I don't believe I've done anything wrong and until someone at the university tells me otherwise I'm not to worried about it.
I did mention Vashil to Vucic which maybe wasn't right? Besides that I'm pretty sure I'm in the clear.
Jakolis = signed when interviewed
Buggs = obviously signed
Vucic = obviously signed
Johnson = a graduate
Bogan = signed when interviewed
Carpenter = I believe had registered already (I'm checking into that, but if anything my interview would steer him away from Valpo. He also was not recruited by the university.)
Homer Drew = Retired
CSU Assistant Coach Larry DeSimpelare = coach
Obviously the last thing I want to do is cause trouble for VU. If asked to stop, then obviously I will stop the interviews. I'm glad most of you enjoy reading them. I really enjoy doing them. In regards to what someone else posted: all our family donations go directly to the Valpo Fund (make your gift here: https://www.valpo.edu/givetovu/form/ (https://www.valpo.edu/givetovu/form/)).
Quote from: BigDWSU on July 25, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
BIGDWSU: "Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules."
As far as I can tell from looking at the Section EE blog, nobody was a "recruit" when interviewed: all already had been officially announced or declared he was a hopeful walk-on (Carpenter). Therefore, none could have been "influenced in their college decision" by the interview.
Until a student athlete signs their LOI, they are still considered a recruit in the eyes of the NCAA. It doesn't matter if they have declared their intentions to attend Valpo or any other institution. They can always change their mind until they sign their LOI and enroll for classes.
I agree, but this doesn't apply here. The scholarship players interviewed by SECTION EE were transfer players who already were announced officially by the university athletics department and enrolled at VU for summer classes.
There are key distinctions to be made. First is sectionee a "booster". The rules spell that out. Second, is he legitimate media. This is an important debate in the blogosphere and has seen melt downs by certain members of MSM who get scooped by bloggers. The Deadspin writers had a great debate with a certain famous author, who has since embraced social media. If someone has media credentials to games or who can apply and receive them that is one indication. What happens if they have media credentials, write something deemed "critical" by the AD's/PR office and then have those credentials pulled? Are they less "legitimate"?
The second point is are they "recruits" or students.
The third issue is whether the University is staying up to date on contacts with student-athletes. Are they providing thorough media relations training, warning/banning about twitters, facebooks, etc. One way to make sure you are compliant and to be considered legitimate is to go through the PR Director in the AD office for permission to interview athletes if you are not doing that already. First, it's a good job to keep them informed, but also the PR Director can remind the athlete what he can and can't say about incoming or recruited players. Nonetheless, AD offices at other schools can be very protective and in that case, a good way to show you are legitimate is to use your resources.
Keep up the good work as a legitimate source for Valpo sports news where the locals aren't covering it well enough. It also helps them get better.
Quote from: valpo84 on July 25, 2011, 08:11:50 PMThis is an important debate in the blogosphere and has seen melt downs by certain members of MSM who get scooped by bloggers.
I'm assuming MSM means mainstream media? But I couldn't help but chuckle to myself because in the medical community MSM has an entirely different meaning.
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2011, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: BigDWSU on July 25, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
BIGDWSU: "Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules."
As far as I can tell from looking at the Section EE blog, nobody was a "recruit" when interviewed: all already had been officially announced or declared he was a hopeful walk-on (Carpenter). Therefore, none could have been "influenced in their college decision" by the interview.
Until a student athlete signs their LOI, they are still considered a recruit in the eyes of the NCAA. It doesn't matter if they have declared their intentions to attend Valpo or any other institution. They can always change their mind until they sign their LOI and enroll for classes.
I agree, but this doesn't apply here. The scholarship players interviewed by SECTION EE were transfer players who already were announced officially by the university athletics department and enrolled at VU for summer classes.
If you notice, I never questioned if SECTIONEE could interview current players or players enrolled at Valpo. I brought up that he shouldn't be contacting Griffyn Carpenter (the topic of this thread) because he is still in high school and has not signed a LOI to Valpo yet.
Griffyn has graduated high school and is already registered at Valpo.
If I am going to walk on to the team, may I sign a National Letter of Intent?
No. An institution is strictly prohibited from allowing you to sign a National Letter of Intent if you are a non-scholarship walk-on. In order for a National Letter of Intent it be considered valid, it must be accompanied by an athletics financial aid award letter, which lists the terms and conditions of the award, including the amount and duration of the financial aid. The athletics financial aid offer must be signed by both the student and his or her parent or legal guardian. Simply put, there must be an athletics scholarship for a National Letter of Intent to be valid.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/NLI/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Signing+the+National+Letter+of+Intent/If+I+am+going+to+walk+on+to+the+team,+may+I+sign+a+National+Letter+of+Intent (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/NLI/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Signing+the+National+Letter+of+Intent/If+I+am+going+to+walk+on+to+the+team,+may+I+sign+a+National+Letter+of+Intent)
Quote from: valpo04 on July 25, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on July 25, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
I tend to agree with this. I am not implying that the AD is wrong. However, just to be absolutely safe and to cover your arse, to determine whether you qualify as a "booster" or an "athletics representative" of the University your answer should come from someone with designation from VU's Compliance Department, particularly if you are a member of the Crusader Club currently or have donated any amount of money to Valpo athletics in the past.
ee has already posted that ML is having the Compliance Office look it over as well...
Quote from: sectionee on July 25, 2011, 03:50:58 PM
Here is part of the message I got form ML. I'll leave it here and just keep doing what I'm doing unless they say otherwise.
I don't see where you have spoken to any of the staff or current players about any of our recruits. So, as far as I can tell you haven't done anything that is contrary to NCAA rules or would separate you from other members of the media.
I have copied our Compliance Director on this response in case there is something that I have missed in the rules.
I enjoy reading you blog.
Thanks for checking on the rules.
Mark L
Right--I understand the compliance director was copied on the AD's response. All I was suggesting is that now that this issue has been formally raised on this board, to fully protect himself, sectionee should get a formal answer to his questions or concerns from a compliance officer directly. Not saying anything was done wrong, but since the issue was raised this is the best course of action. A copy of an email is not enough IMO.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on July 26, 2011, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: valpo04 on July 25, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on July 25, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
I tend to agree with this. I am not implying that the AD is wrong. However, just to be absolutely safe and to cover your arse, to determine whether you qualify as a "booster" or an "athletics representative" of the University your answer should come from someone with designation from VU's Compliance Department, particularly if you are a member of the Crusader Club currently or have donated any amount of money to Valpo athletics in the past.
ee has already posted that ML is having the Compliance Office look it over as well...
Quote from: sectionee on July 25, 2011, 03:50:58 PM
Here is part of the message I got form ML. I'll leave it here and just keep doing what I'm doing unless they say otherwise.
I don't see where you have spoken to any of the staff or current players about any of our recruits. So, as far as I can tell you haven't done anything that is contrary to NCAA rules or would separate you from other members of the media.
I have copied our Compliance Director on this response in case there is something that I have missed in the rules.
I enjoy reading you blog.
Thanks for checking on the rules.
Mark L
Right--I understand the compliance director was copied on the AD's response. All I was suggesting is that now that this issue has been formally raised on this board, to fully protect himself, sectionee should get a formal answer to his questions or concerns from a compliance officer directly. Not saying anything was done wrong, but since the issue was raised this is the best course of action. A copy of an email is not enough IMO.
Perhaps we can get a more formal statement from the Compliance Office like the examples we have seen from other schools. If we could get something like that on the Athletics site and to copy and have here, that would clear everything up for sectionee as well as anyone else who may in the future want to do something similar.
Quote from: BigDWSU on July 26, 2011, 06:11:51 AM
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2011, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: BigDWSU on July 25, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
BIGDWSU: "Interacting with a recruit is an NCAA violation when you are a booster. My guess is that Inside the Hall has media credetials and is allowed to talk to recruits as long as they are just interviewing them. If they try to influence a players college decision they are breaking NCAA rules."
As far as I can tell from looking at the Section EE blog, nobody was a "recruit" when interviewed: all already had been officially announced or declared he was a hopeful walk-on (Carpenter). Therefore, none could have been "influenced in their college decision" by the interview.
Until a student athlete signs their LOI, they are still considered a recruit in the eyes of the NCAA. It doesn't matter if they have declared their intentions to attend Valpo or any other institution. They can always change their mind until they sign their LOI and enroll for classes.
I agree, but this doesn't apply here. The scholarship players interviewed by SECTION EE were transfer players who already were announced officially by the university athletics department and enrolled at VU for summer classes.
If you notice, I never questioned if SECTIONEE could interview current players or players enrolled at Valpo. I brought up that he shouldn't be contacting Griffyn Carpenter (the topic of this thread) because he is still in high school and has not signed a LOI to Valpo yet.
Carpenter has enrolled as a student at VU; therefore, as I mentioned, he doesn't apply to your concerns either.
Slightly off topic, but not too far. Indications are a LoI must be accompanied by an athletic financial aid award letter which outlines the amount and terms.
Do D1 schools mix and match athletic with academic scholarships? In other words, one incoming freshman is a 4.0 student and if he was not a athlete, might be on full academic scholarship. Can a D1 school mix and combine the awards? Back in the day, some schools would offer a 50% ride...not sure if that occurs now or not.
BTW, might this occur, along with financial aid for "preferred walkons?
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on July 26, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Slightly off topic, but not too far. Indications are a LoI must be accompanied by an athletic financial aid award letter which outlines the amount and terms.
Do D1 schools mix and match athletic with academic scholarships? In other words, one incoming freshman is a 4.0 student and if he was not a athlete, might be on full academic scholarship. Can a D1 school mix and combine the awards? Back in the day, some schools would offer a 50% ride...not sure if that occurs now or not.
BTW, might this occur, along with financial aid for "preferred walkons?
lowposter
In some sports, scholarships can be chopped up, but in men's and women's basketball (and FBS football...not sure about FCS) they are all-or-nothing deals. Men's basketball gets 13, so you can only have 13 "scholarship" players in a season. How a school arrives at the 13 is probably up to them...my guess would be the basketball team would simply get a "refund" if a player got a $4,000 academic scholarship.
However, with the economy and scholarship money being how they are now, I would guess that most schools wouldn't offer academic money to someone who they already know is going to be on an athletic full ride. (again, the other sports, this is different)
We had athletic and academic scholarships in baseball, and I assume that is still the case
So, looks like ee-Gate is cleared up? Big thanks to BigDWSU for policing the Valpo blogs!
:thumbsup: nothing wrong with a little controversy to strum up publicity for my blog. LOL
Quote from: valpotx on July 27, 2011, 01:04:22 AM
We had athletic and academic scholarships in baseball, and I assume that is still the case
It's easier to "chop up" scholarship dollars in a sport, like baseball, softball, track, where the roster isn't exclusively limited by the NCAA to how many scholarship athletes you can have. Unlike football and basketball, where those coaches would purposely stockpile to 'redshirt' as needed, if the roster size wasn't limited.
What I mean is if say Jim Calhoun could do it, he would stockpile his roster with players that he could keep for 5 years, and stagger how he redshirts them for winning the Big East or making deep drives to the NCAA championships.
Basketball rosters can be as large as a coach wants them to be. Mens basketball gets 13 scholarships at a division 1 school and is not allowed to divide them. Which is why most schools have a roster around 12-15
Quote from: Crusader03 on July 27, 2011, 08:05:00 AM
So, looks like ee-Gate is cleared up? Big thanks to BigDWSU for policing the Valpo blogs!
I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic, but I'm glad BigDWSU raised the concern. Personally, I had no idea that something like this could be a potential problem. Based on the other posts, I'm not sure anyone else did either. I have come to learn that BigD is not the type of fan to poke a stick in someone's eye just for the fun of it. He seems to know quite a bit about policies and procedures and cares about the HL and every team in it. I think he simply didn't want to see anyone unknowingly cause a problem for our program. IMO that is a noble gesture from a worthy adversary.
Quote from: wh on July 27, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on July 27, 2011, 08:05:00 AM
So, looks like ee-Gate is cleared up? Big thanks to BigDWSU for policing the Valpo blogs!
I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic, but I'm glad BigDWSU raised the concern. Personally, I had no idea that something like this could be a potential problem. Based on the other posts, I'm not sure anyone else did either. I have come to learn that BigD is not the type of fan to poke a stick in someone's eye just for the fun of it. He seems to know quite a bit about policies and procedures and cares about the HL and every team in it. I think he simply didn't want to see anyone unknowingly cause a problem for our program. IMO that is a noble gesture from a worthy adversary.
I was just kidding around. It was just funny (but appreciated) to have an opponent helping us to avoid NCAA violations.
Quote from: wh on July 27, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on July 27, 2011, 08:05:00 AM
So, looks like ee-Gate is cleared up? Big thanks to BigDWSU for policing the Valpo blogs!
I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic, but I'm glad BigDWSU raised the concern. Personally, I had no idea that something like this could be a potential problem. Based on the other posts, I'm not sure anyone else did either. I have come to learn that BigD is not the type of fan to poke a stick in someone's eye just for the fun of it. He seems to know quite a bit about policies and procedures and cares about the HL and every team in it. I think he simply didn't want to see anyone unknowingly cause a problem for our program. IMO that is a noble gesture from a worthy adversary.
well said. and i completely agree. thanks big d! :thumbsup:
I appreciate the heads up. I know I learned a few new things from this experience.
Does that mean our intrepid reporter section ee now gets media credentials? That might look good on the resume...
Quote from: valpo95 on July 29, 2011, 08:18:23 AM
Does that mean our intrepid reporter section ee now gets media credentials? That might look good on the resume...
I was thinking the same thing. Have you considered trying to get credentialed ee?
VU has never credentialed bloggers before. Their reasoning is that anyone can set up a blog then say they need credentials just for the free admission. The free admission isn't what I'm after since my wife works on campus and they are generous enough to let employees and family in for free. I'm told they are revisiting this issue and have a meeting on Monday with the HL and this is on the agenda. They are also looking into what other schools do in regards to bloggers.
I'm just looking to be more legit. A few of the other perks they offer to credentialed media would be nice though; programs, notes, media guides, statistics would all be useful.
Quote from: sectionee on July 29, 2011, 10:28:21 AM
VU has never credentialed bloggers before. Their reasoning is that anyone can set up a blog then say they need credentials just for the free admission. The free admission isn't what I'm after since my wife works on campus and they are generous enough to let employees and family in for free. I'm told they are revisiting this issue and have a meeting on Monday with the HL and this is on the agenda. They are also looking into what other schools do in regards to bloggers.
I'm just looking to be more legit. A few of the other perks they offer to credentialed media would be nice though; programs, notes, media guides, statistics would all be useful.
VU has a history of giving credentials to "media" people who actually have no professional reason for being at the game.
Quote from: sectionee on July 29, 2011, 10:28:21 AM
I'm just looking to be more legit. A few of the other perks they offer to credentialed media would be nice though; programs, notes, media guides, statistics would all be useful.
Free pizza in the media room? :dance:
Quote from: agibson on July 29, 2011, 01:02:09 PM
Free pizza in the media room? :dance:
That's why half the people show up, honestly.
Quote from: Valpo89 on July 29, 2011, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: sectionee on July 29, 2011, 10:28:21 AM
VU has never credentialed bloggers before. Their reasoning is that anyone can set up a blog then say they need credentials just for the free admission. The free admission isn't what I'm after since my wife works on campus and they are generous enough to let employees and family in for free. I'm told they are revisiting this issue and have a meeting on Monday with the HL and this is on the agenda. They are also looking into what other schools do in regards to bloggers.
I'm just looking to be more legit. A few of the other perks they offer to credentialed media would be nice though; programs, notes, media guides, statistics would all be useful. :rotfl:
VU has a history of giving credentials to "media" people who actually have no professional reason for being at the game.
Most of them are named "Paul", right? :dance: