It is time to shift to rumors, guessing, conjecture and discussion of the preseason football camp goings on.
My first observation is that there was no discussion about positional depth - just experience. No mention about the QB position especially. I hope there will be lots of VUFB tweets and stuff that help us see what is happening on a daily/weekly basis.
GO VALPO.
What do the upperclassmen make the freshmen do nowadays? The freshmen used to have to arrange a skit for the end of camp as well as learn and then sing the fight song on demand (usually at lunch to serenade the hardworking cafeteria ladies).
Alright just a few quick questions
1, I can do a preseason depth chart by games played last year and add in freshman and redshirts and update it weekly if anyone be interested?
2, I can also do player breakdowns again if members would like
A few quick hits
1. Tough loss on Hughes but nunes will help also expecting a big breakout year from Leandre a former 247sports 3 star
2. D line lost Michael Penn and Brent dicksom. Penn was quality depth. Dickson had a load of potential
3. Expecting 6 wins this year team much better however schedule is brutal for valpo
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 01, 2017, 04:18:14 PMAlright just a few quick questions 1, I can do a preseason depth chart by games played last year and add in freshman and redshirts and update it weekly if anyone be interested? 2, I can also do player breakdowns again if members would like A few quick hits 1. Tough loss on Hughes but nunes will help also expecting a big breakout year from Leandre a former 247sports 3 star 2. D line lost Michael Penn and Brent dicksom. Penn was quality depth. Dickson had a load of potential 3. Expecting 6 wins this year team much better however schedule is brutal for valpo
Put me down as interested
Now you have at least 2.
3
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 01, 2017, 04:18:14 PM
Alright just a few quick questions
1, I can do a preseason depth chart by games played last year and add in freshman and redshirts and update it weekly if anyone be interested?
2, I can also do player breakdowns again if members would like
A few quick hits
1. Tough loss on Hughes but nunes will help also expecting a big breakout year from Leandre a former 247sports 3 star
2. D line lost Michael Penn and Brent dicksom. Penn was quality depth. Dickson had a load of potential
3. Expecting 6 wins this year team much better however schedule is brutal for valpo
Please add whatever you can the more the better! Thanks..
I wonder if there will be any no shows. That might be a good idea for a future pool.
If a player or players don't show up, and I think typically there are a couple at least who don't, I wonder if they replace with one of the uninvited....who may even be there if they've decided to continue.
Here is a look at attrition
Attrition
Graduated Player/Career Notes Transferred/Not Invited to Camp 2016
LB #3 Derrick Estell (25GP) Bypassed RSSR #2 CJ Elion K FR-DNP
CB #6 Idode Kerobo (38GP) #5 Ryan Dugan WR SO-11GP
WR #9 Ryan Shea (29GP) Bypassed RSSR #5 Bryce Crook DB FR-DNP
RB #25 Denzell Conway (11GP) Bypassed RSSR #13 Grant Papenfuss QB FR-DNP
WR #26 Tim Foley (6GP) Bypassed RSSR #22 Kyle Dye DB SO-6GP
TE #27 Brett Fox (28GP) #23 Kellan Hughes DB JR-11GP AllPFLHM(Injury)
Snake#41 Charlie Hackett (17GP) #35 Kyle Bender DB FR-DNP
FB #45 Kenny Floyd (1GP) Bypassed RSSR #36 Parker Welch LB FR-DNP
LS #52 John Coyne (20GP) Bypassed RSSR #37 Kyle Farwick LB FR-3GP
OL #64 Connor Rettig (23GP) Bypassed RSSR #38 Kyle Petroff LB FR-DNP
OL #74 Brian Lang (23GP) Bypassed RSSR #40 Michael O'brien LB FR-1GP
DT #90 Brandon Doepke (19GP) Bypassed RSSR #45 Taylor Allen DB FR-DNP
#46 Nolan Fortman DB FR-DNP
#48 Brent Dickson DE FR-2GP
#57 Torrin Sallis DE RSFR-1GP
#59 Tyree Thomas LB RSSO-DNP
#82 Jayson Reckards WR FR-DNP
#83 Chris Orlich WR FR-2GP
#85 Ronnie Reitz WR FR-DNP
#89 Thomas Hassel TE FR-DNP
#97 Michael Penn DT SO-10GP
Quarterback #9 Jimmy Seewald SO.(10GP) #4 Joe Mullen RSSO. (TRAN) #14 Chris Duncan RSFR. #13 Ryan Markoff FR. #17 Trey Bilinski FR.
Runningback #10 Jarrett Morgan SR. (10GP) #32 Cody Boxrucker SO. (11GP) #44 Kyle Cartales SO. (11GP) #21 Elias Earley RSSO. (3GP) #20 Doug Haugh FR.
Fullback #40 Brannen Matin RSFR.
Tight End #84 Mason Sutter JR. (11GP) #87 Martin Petruff SO. (11GP) #16 Ryan Clarke SR (8GP/QB) #31 Alex Kluck FR. #80 Brett Bitner FR.
Tackle #75 Shannon Taliaferro JR. (10GP) #76 Alex Cotton RSSO. (3GP) #50 James Zajac RSFR. #74 Nick Johnson FR.
Guard #67 Eric Rentschler JR. (11GP) #69 Alex Helander RSSO. (1GP) #72 Solomon Kamara RSFR. #72 Solomon Kamara RSFR.
Center #65 Jack Jarnigan RSSO. (11GP) #61 Sean Pierce SO. (7GP) #50 John Horan RSSO. #51 Nick Antonacci FR.
Guard #73 Tom Schofield JR. (11GP) #70 Brady Sullivan RSSO. (1GP) #64 Sean Stephens RSFR. #78 Ronald Williams RSFR. #66 Sam Vas FR.
Tackle #77 Terrence Roberts RSSO. (1GP/MRS) #60 Andrew Lundberg RSSO.(10GP) #71 Bryce Biggs RSFR. #79 Thomas Walsh FR.
WR1 #1 Jean Rene JR. (11GP) #8 Ryan Moore JR. (6GP) #12 JD Koehler RSSO. (3GP) #82 Deuce Larose FR. #81 Antonio Dargaj FR.
WR2 #30 Frank Catrine SR. (9GP) #3 Parker Fox RSSO. (11GP) #7 Dalton Stokes RSJR. (4GP/QB) #86 Kevin Wright FR. #26 Donny Navarro FR.
WR3 #2 Griffin Norberg JR. (11GP) #23 Bailey Gessinger SO. (11GP) #33 Conor Beer FR. #89 Josh Benson FR. #19 Trey Stablein FR.
NT #56 Tristan De La Rosa SR. (10GP) #93 James Reed SO. (10GP) #42 Jake Iery JR. (3GP) #90 Isaac Velasco FR. #58 David Mason FR.
DT #99 Jakob Trumpower RSSO. (10GP) #54 Jesse Studyvin JR. (3GP) #44 Connor Sperling RSFR. #96 Cameron Germain FR. #62 Nathan Orlandini FR. #92 Andrew Gerdys FR.
DE #34 Jay Slone RSSR. (5GP) #95 Murphy Osmond SO. (10GP) #91 Jordan Goebel RSFR. #97 Jeremiah Olojo FR. #63 Jakob Rosiek FR. #52 Cullen Bauer-Trotter RSFR. (TRAN)
Rush #18 Mike Wheeler JR. (11GP) #33 Gowan Baldwin JR. (10GP) #38 Joey Poloskey FR. #89 Cade Bishop FR. #46 Joshua Baker FR.
Snake #7 Kye Hall SR. (9GP) #31 Dylan Johnson SO. (11GP) #36 Austin Petrie SO. (8GP/RB) #6 Logan Pfizenmayer FR. #35 Jake Gapinski FR.
MIKE #49 Nick Turner JR. (10 GP) #39 Jack Buckley SO. (5GP) #43 John Regan SR. (2GP) #32 Gavin Twiff FR.
WILL #24 Drew Snouffer JR. (11GP) #9 Tyler Newkirk SO. (8GP) #47 Matthew Messler RSSO. (2GP) #37 Laddie Skarecky FR.
CB #5 Jalin LeAndre JR. (9GP) #2 Stacey Jones FR. #21 Aaron King FR. #27 Brent Brimmage FR. #40 Tramone Duncan FR.
S #4 JJ Nunes RSSR. (1GP/MRS) #15 Isaac Lane RSSO. (10GP) #22 Kevin Geulce FR. #41 Henry Hebda FR.
S #28 Josmar Diaz-Martinez JR. (11GP) #20 Jamari Booker SO. (10GP) #19 Bryce Leach FR. #25 Dilan Scargle FR. #45 David Hebda FR.
CB #11 Christian Campbell JR. (10GP) #17 Brandon Riley SR. (10GP) #14 Cam Kelly FR. #29 Julian Benavides FR.
K #98 Jake Simpson RSJR (8GP) #1 Dimitrios Latsonis (8GP)
P #88 Alex Ng (11GP) #13 Kyle Ulbrich FR
LS #99 Carter Puckett FR
Notes
-Will Update post games
-Freshman and Transfers added in back
-DNP/RS ordered by year of eligibility
-I had a nice spreadsheet but forum won't let me post
-Ask if any follow up questions
Kellen Hughes is a big loss and you have him listed as injury-related. Any detail?
Spinal/Neck injury in spring
A couple of questions: First, is Seewald healthy? Next, am I reading this correctly that Mullen is a transfer? If so, from where? Finally, for now, why would Clarke switch from QB to be third string TE??
-No update on Seewald. Edit: I am about 50/50 Chris Duncan will take the first snap at Montana
-Mullen transferred from Tiffin where he did not play football
-As of Clarke, expect him to be starting long snapper, Petruf and Sutter are both quality tight ends and both played and started the double tight end set last year. Petruf also had a great spring and Sutter is a two year returning starter. I expect Clarke to play in every game and be featured in some double tight end sets. However it was either be a special teams, offense utility player, the teams long snapper, and travel every game, or be the team's third string quarterback. He went with the option to see the field.
Couple of QB points/questions:
Mullen transferred in last year. I think he was injured during the spring.
What happened to Papenfuss? He was stated to be neck and neck with Duncan in the spring and I can't say either guy was all that overwhelming. Did he transfer? It wouldn't make a ton of sense to not invite him especially if Seewald does have a physical issue which will limit or eliminate him early.
I hope they don't pay down the road for the loss of that number of underclassmen.
Thanks for the great job on the roster. Outstanding.
One more question: Anyone know what happened to the kicker from Florida who won whatever state award as the best kicker they give out? He committed but haven't seen anything on him since.
Papenfuss was really third option in his class at quarterback and was from Florida. Combine that with the team bringing in two more quarterbacks and Valpo being none scholarship that is tough. If he lost his spot to one of the freshman he'd be fourth string looking at a Sophomore-Redshirt Freshman-Freshman/Mullen in front of him. That is a tough sell to stay
Kicker Logan Robinson is not reporting to camp however his name may surface as a walk on at a different school after camp ends.
Loss of Underclassmen
Receivers-This year's class is better. A lot better.
Linebackers-Same thing plus keeping the ones who contributed last year
Thanks.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 02, 2017, 02:35:48 PMPapenfuss was really third option in his class at quarterback and was from Florida. Combine that with the team bringing in two more quarterbacks and Valpo being none scholarship that is tough. If he lost his spot to one of the freshman he'd be fourth string looking at a Sophomore-Redshirt Freshman-Freshman/Mullen in front of him. That is a tough sell to stay
Thanks. Comes across as you're saying this was his decision.
Don't personally know to be honest. Just adding up factors.
Looking at the depth chart, CB looks a bit inexperienced with only 3 returners. Fate has a way of picking on those situations as well.
Fb16 - this is outstanding reporting and many thanks for your insight.
Valpo football video had Tristan DE LARosa and Jimmy See Wald both practicing. Great signs
Excellent news. Thanks for the heads up.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 05, 2017, 12:46:38 PMJimmy See Wald
Now when I see Jimmy's name I'll think of Lake Forest. ;D
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 05, 2017, 12:46:38 PMValpo football video had Tristan DE LARosa and Jimmy See Wald both practicing. Great signs
Odd that the tweet with the video has been removed.
Quote from: VU2624 on August 06, 2017, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 05, 2017, 12:46:38 PMValpo football video had Tristan DE LARosa and Jimmy See Wald both practicing. Great signs
Odd that the tweet with the video has been removed.
Not odd. Just trying to not give away all the secrets to the opposition.
Quote from: bbtds on August 06, 2017, 11:39:21 AMNot odd. Just trying to not give away all the secrets to the opposition.
I'm sure Montana has already posted the video, broken it down and is game planning as we speak.
Come on MAN!
Quote from: VU2624 on August 06, 2017, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: bbtds on August 06, 2017, 11:39:21 AMNot odd. Just trying to not give away all the secrets to the opposition.
I'm sure Montana has already posted the video, broken it down and is game planning as we speak.
Come on MAN!
Maybe Montana is falling for preparing for De La Rosa and Lake Forest (FYI--See Wald is German for Lake Forest)
I think the video ended with a slide saying that the Valpo v. Montana game was on September 9 which is obviously a glaring error considering that the game is on September 2.
Quote from: VUOR63 on August 07, 2017, 09:42:00 AM
I think the video ended with a slide saying that the Valpo v. Montana game was on September 9 which is obviously a glaring error considering that the game is on September 2.
It's obviously a plan to throw off the timing of game preparation while scouting our video!
After going through the Montana message board (egriz.com), they're not really paying much attention to Valpo--most of their fans are looking for forward to their 9/9 game at Washington. So maybe...just maybe...we catch them off guard...
Quote from: vu72 on August 07, 2017, 10:02:27 AMQuote from: VUOR63 on August 07, 2017, 09:42:00 AMI think the video ended with a slide saying that the Valpo v. Montana game was on September 9 which is obviously a glaring error considering that the game is on September 2.
It's obviously a plan to throw off the timing of game preparation while scouting our video!
Montana is just concerned about recovering from the physical beating they'll get from Valpo. Not sure why they'd be concerned all that much with Washington who couldn't even beat USC or Alabama last year.
Video is back up btw.
2624 - Washington was pretty darn good last year and will be this year. And there is nothing shameful about losing to the Rose Bowl champion Trojans.
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 07, 2017, 12:03:14 PM2624 - Washington was pretty darn good last year and will be this year. And there is nothing shameful about losing to the Rose Bowl champion Trojans.
Ummmm....I'm really not even sure how to respond to this one considering I couldn't have been more obvious.
I guess we all have diverse snark styles. Isn't that always the problem with diversity - not everyone either understands or appreciates it.
Btw -- {snark}
Sorry - I get sensitive when holier than thou Big 10 fans rip on the Conference of Champions.
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 08, 2017, 02:19:13 PMSorry - I get sensitive when holier than thou Big 10 fans rip on the Conference of Champions.
My turn to show my sensitive side: Don't lump me in with the Big 10 fans in the neighborhood.
no problem - living in Iowa, dealing with some of the Hawkeye fans can be difficult, as they celebrate their glory as the fake ID of college football.
So, do you all recall that Cecchini recruited Christian Coleman? He was set to play football at VU, but I believe he had an outstanding track season as a high school senior and ended up going to Georgia on scholarship.
If the name doesn't sound familiar, it should. He beat Usain Bolt twice at the World Championships and got the silver in the 100.
Just saw an article that he ran NCAA record 9.82 this year and is recognized as America's rising track star. He turned pro for the World Championships.
He may have been able to score a few touchdowns at Brown Field. :)
Quote from: Valpo89 on August 09, 2017, 08:52:02 AM
So, do you all recall that Cecchini recruited Christian Coleman? He was set to play football at VU, but I believe he had an outstanding track season as a high school senior and ended up going to Georgia on scholarship.
If the name doesn't sound familiar, it should. He beat Usain Bolt twice at the World Championships and got the silver in the 100.
Just saw an article that he ran NCAA record 9.82 this year and is recognized as America's rising track star. He turned pro for the World Championships.
He may have been able to score a few touchdowns at Brown Field. :)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/893937933593575424
he ran a 4.12 sec 40-yard dash. Cincinnati Bengal and former Washington Husky WR John Ross ran a top NFL combine speed of 4.22 sec.
I wonder why Coleman would have considered Valpo for football - perhaps the Lutheran affiliation?
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 09, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
he ran a 4.12 sec 40-yard dash. Cincinnati Bengal and former Washington Husky WR John Ross ran a top NFL combine speed of 4.22 sec.
I wonder why Coleman would have considered Valpo for football - perhaps the Lutheran affiliation?
Maybe the answer is that he was very fast but wasn't very tall and also that he couldn't catch the ball very well. Randy Moss and Bob Hayes aside, speed does not always equal being a great wideout.
Interesting roster notes.
JR tight end Mason Sutter is up to 6-7 240, was recruited at 6-5 190
James Reed and De La Rosa are both up to 300 lbs at DT
THAT is significant. Especially Sutter. He is now in Gronk territory (relatively speaking). Hope he hasn't lost any speed and that he plays like Gronk. As far as the big boys are concerned, hoping the added weight is all muscle and no quickness was lost.
Is Tristan actually participating?
Last I heard he was not in contact drills.
DB Aaron King
WR Antonio Dargaj
OL Nick Johnson
LBJacob Gapinski
have left team
#7 Kye Hall SR. Linebacker has also been removed from the roster
Dalton Stokes as well
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 14, 2017, 04:19:15 PMDB Aaron King WR Antonio Dargaj OL Nick Johnson LBJacob Gapinski have left team
Is this the never got on the bus, plane or in the car list or did they actually show up and then return home?
What the?? Kyle Hall would be a huge loss. :(
Quote from: vu72 on August 14, 2017, 06:20:14 PMWhat the?? Kyle Hall would be a huge loss. :(
It is. I think Mike Wheeler was going to move to Sam or maybe Dylan Johnson starts but it does make the situation of having to replace two starting LBers from last season rather than one.
I like Austin Petrie, Tyler Newkirk, or Dylan Johnson there
Jacob Rosiek and Josh Benson have also left the team, Dilan Scargle FR DB appears to be the front runner for the backup corner position
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 15, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
Jacob Rosiek and Josh Benson have also left the team, Dilan Scargle FR DB appears to be the front runner for the backup corner position
Are these freshmen realizing they are overmatched? I hate to say this but Dylan Johnson is no longer on the roster.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 11, 2017, 09:17:13 PM
THAT is significant. Especially Sutter. He is now in Gronk territory (relatively speaking). Hope he hasn't lost any speed and that he plays like Gronk. As far as the big boys are concerned, hoping the added weight is all muscle and no quickness was lost.
More on TEs -- Ryan Clarke was listed the last couple of years as 6-5, 220. He is now up to 245.
Here's the TE group. (Guys most of us know pretty well in
Bold)
16
Ryan Clarke (SR) 6-5, 245
31 Alex Kluck (FR) 6-5, 220
80 Brett Bittner (FR) 5-11, 205
84
Mason Sutter (JR) 6-7, 240
87
Martin Petruf (SO) 6-5, 220
Some pretty good size and length. And if Sutter and Clarke can be tough-nosed blockers too, a short yardage, 2 TE set could help move the chains on the ground but still give us a passing option.
Might as well look at WRs too. (Guys most of us know pretty well in
Bold)
1
Jean Rene (JR) 5-10, 180 (up from 170 last year)
2
Griffin Norberg (Jr) 6-3, 225 (down from 230 last year)
3 Parker Fox (R-SO) 5-11, 175 (same, new number)
8
Ryan Moore (JR) 6-1, 190 (up from 185 last year)
12 JD Koehler (R-SO) 6-0, 210 (same)
19 Trey Stablein (FR) 5-11, 160
23
Bailey Gessinger (SO) 5-9, 165 (new number, shrunk from last year when he was 5-10, 170)
26 Donny Navarro (FR) 5-9, 180
30
Frank Catrine (SR) 6-0, 210
33 Connor Beer (FR) 5-9, 155 (outstanding name!)
82 Deuce Larose (FR) 6-0, 205 (another intriguing name)
86 Kevin Wright (FR) 5-11, 170
Frank and Griffin outside and Jean in the slot is a pretty talented start.
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 15, 2017, 12:43:38 PMQuote from: valpofb16 on August 15, 2017, 12:13:38 PMJacob Rosiek and Josh Benson have also left the team, Dilan Scargle FR DB appears to be the front runner for the backup corner position
Are these freshmen realizing they are overmatched? I hate to say this but Dylan Johnson is no longer on the roster.
Another LBer who played some significant time last year. I think he was the fastest of the LBers as well. Scargle was more of a Safety in HS.
Some significant vulnerability here.
Curious as to whether these players(the freshmen) are making the trek to camp and then going home or they never showed up. Never showing up would make more sense to me.
With Johnson leaving, apparently, that would mean both Valpo HS guys are gone.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 15, 2017, 01:34:29 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on August 11, 2017, 09:17:13 PMTHAT is significant. Especially Sutter. He is now in Gronk territory (relatively speaking). Hope he hasn't lost any speed and that he plays like Gronk. As far as the big boys are concerned, hoping the added weight is all muscle and no quickness was lost.
More on TEs -- Ryan Clarke was listed the last couple of years as 6-5, 220. He is now up to 245. Here's the TE group. (Guys most of us know pretty well in Bold) 16 Ryan Clarke (SR) 6-5, 245 31 Alex Kluck (FR) 6-5, 220 80 Brett Bittner (FR) 5-11, 205 84 Mason Sutter (JR) 6-7, 240 87 Martin Petruf (SO) 6-5, 220 Some pretty good size and length. And if Sutter and Clarke can be tough-nosed blockers too, a short yardage, 2 TE set could help move the chains on the ground but still give us a passing option. Might as well look at WRs too. (Guys most of us know pretty well in Bold) 1 Jean Rene (JR) 5-10, 180 (up from 170 last year) 2 Griffin Norberg (Jr) 6-3, 225 (down from 230 last year) 3 Parker Fox (R-SO) 5-11, 175 (same, new number) 8 Ryan Moore (JR) 6-1, 190 (up from 185 last year) 12 JD Koehler (R-SO) 6-0, 210 (same) 19 Trey Stablein (FR) 5-11, 160 23 Bailey Gessinger (SO) 5-9, 165 (new number, shrunk from last year when he was 5-10, 170) 26 Donny Navarro (FR) 5-9, 180 30 Frank Catrine (SR) 6-0, 210 33 Connor Beer (FR) 5-9, 155 (outstanding name!) 82 Deuce Larose (FR) 6-0, 205 (another intriguing name) 86 Kevin Wright (FR) 5-11, 170 Frank and Griffin outside and Jean in the slot is a pretty talented start.
Parker Fox got some time last year as well. As it stands now, the bolded guys plus Fox and one of the freshman are probably your travelling group once the real season starts. Rene, Gessinger and Moore inside and Norberg, Catrine, Fox and freshman outside. Moore's played both and they could also use him in a swing role.
Quote from: VU2624 on August 15, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
Parker Fox got some time last year as well. As it stands now, the bolded guys plus Fox and one of the freshman are probably your traveling group once the real season starts. Rene, Gessinger and Moore inside and Norberg, Catrine, Fox and freshman outside. Moore's played both and they could also use him in a swing role.
It could be just me and a lopsided perspective, but in the past 2 seasons it seemed that it was WR-by-committee with a lot of situational substitutions -- i.e., multiple WRs running onto and off the field almost every play. For some reason, I get the feeling that this season the rotation will be more simplified and there will be more reliance on a smaller core of receivers. Why? I have no idea ::).
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 16, 2017, 08:35:36 AMQuote from: VU2624 on August 15, 2017, 05:20:22 PMParker Fox got some time last year as well. As it stands now, the bolded guys plus Fox and one of the freshman are probably your traveling group once the real season starts. Rene, Gessinger and Moore inside and Norberg, Catrine, Fox and freshman outside. Moore's played both and they could also use him in a swing role.
It could be just me and a lopsided perspective, but in the past 2 seasons it seemed that it was WR-by-committee with a lot of situational substitutions -- i.e., multiple WRs running onto and off the field almost every play. For some reason, I get the feeling that this season the rotation will be more simplified and there will be more reliance on a smaller core of receivers. Why? I have no idea ::).
I doubt it will change. Quite normal in the game to substitute freely. This wr corps isn't as good as the senior year Kuramata's year and he came off the field and packages for the other 5 receivers were used liberally including Cassara who also was probably better than any other receiver on the current roster.
If only Carlson wasn't the worst coach of all time. I remember one practice him telling scout team dbs "it's third and long safeties read run". Safeties barely read run against him anyway. What a dummy
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 16, 2017, 11:04:16 AMIf only Carlson wasn't the worst coach of all time. I remember one practice him telling scout team dbs "it's third and long safeties read run". Safeties barely read run against him anyway. What a dummy
What does Carlson have to do with this discussion unless this is just an impulse rant?
He wasted three years of this receiving core, responding to comment above
Tony TaibI
Andrew cassara
Kent Warren
Fred Gladney
Tanner Kuramata
Don't know much about the receiving core in the past but I can tell you that this recieving core is as talented as they come. Not to many kids running a 4.6 and below and multiple kids having state championship rings. This core is physical and will go get it. I am truly excited to see this core in action.
Check out the new practice helmets. Glad to see the University is placing a high degree of importance on avoiding head injuries. :clap: :clap: :clap:
https://www.facebook.com/ValpoFootball/photos/pcb.1422633034451102/1422632354451170/?type=3&theater
I think the few concussions I had occurred in practice--so it is good they are protecting the players.
As far as the players dropping off--let's find out who wants to be here and who doesn't. I get a good vibe from Coach C and I'm optimistic about the product he'll be putting on the field.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 16, 2017, 02:47:54 PMHe wasted three years of this receiving core, responding to comment above Tony TaibI Andrew cassara Kent Warren Fred Gladney Tanner Kuramata
Got ya and I agree.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 15, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
Jacob Rosiek and Josh Benson have also left the team, Dilan Scargle FR DB appears to be the front runner for the backup corner position
So we started with 50 freshmen, officially announced 48. Invited some number of existing players to no longer be on the team and we are already down to 38.
On the latest version of the roster, I counted a total of 99 listed players. Stokes, Kye Hall, Johnson, Rosiek, and Benson were not on the list.
Breakdown by class:
True Freshmen: 37
Redshirt Freshmen: 10
True Sophomores: 13
Redshirt Sophomores: 14
True Juniors: 17
Redshirt Juniors: 0
True Seniors: 6
Redshirt Seniors: 2
Bold = From a maturity perspective, we have 49 players who are the age equivalent of a college junior. I am guessing that proportion is larger this year than in each of Coach C's previous years, but I am too lazy to go back the last couple and do the calcs. That junior class is hanging together pretty well.
So, if Coach is entering his 4th season, the seniors this year were recruited in the short recruiting season (he was hired in December, I think). The Juniors and RS Sophomores were recruiting class 2, the sophomores and RS Freshmen were recruiting class 3. The team is in a position to have 30+ 4th year guys next year--I think that's pretty good.
With only 8 seniors, the 2-deep will have plenty of players expected (and experienced!) to return in 2018!
That's what it is looking like.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 17, 2017, 12:18:44 PMOn the latest version of the roster, I counted a total of 99 listed players. Stokes, Kye Hall, Johnson, Rosiek, and Benson were not on the list. Breakdown by class: True Freshmen: 37 Redshirt Freshmen: 10 True Sophomores: 13 Redshirt Sophomores: 14 True Juniors: 17 Redshirt Juniors: 0 True Seniors: 6 Redshirt Seniors: 2 Bold = From a maturity perspective, we have 49 players who are the age equivalent of a college junior. I am guessing that proportion is larger this year than in each of Coach C's previous years, but I am too lazy to go back the last couple and do the calcs. That junior class is hanging together pretty well.
Wouldn't it be 31 collegiate juniors (essentially true Juniors and RS Sophs)? Still a good number.
I mentioned in an earlier post, this is why I think next year will be the year they can make a serious move in the Pioneer League. Too many other programs play with athletes who are equal or better and at least a couple of years older than Valpo.
I made the initial statement and added up the numbers for this season to show we have an improved core going into Montana. Then we began looking ahead. I think both metrics are helpful. And I agree, we will be even stronger going into next season.
More bad news as DB Campbell has disappeared from the roster. The defense has now lost Hughes, Hall, Campbell and Johnson. Time to start worrying?
Campbell had a pretty good resume going into this season. Season ending Injury?
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 17, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
Campbell had a pretty good resume going into this season. Season ending Injury?
If it was a season ending injury, would that be grounds for removal from the roster on the website, or just removal from available player roster the coaches hold on to?
W.t.f. is going on up there
Quote from: valporun on August 17, 2017, 09:04:47 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on August 17, 2017, 07:28:24 PMCampbell had a pretty good resume going into this season. Season ending Injury?
If it was a season ending injury, would that be grounds for removal from the roster on the website, or just removal from available player roster the coaches hold on to?
Typically if a player is out for the season prior to the start of the season, he is not listed on the roster. For instance, Nunes played in one game last year and was listed all season long although he was out for the season. There was another player who was injured in camp, was out for the season and wasn't listed on the roster even though he stayed with the team the entire season in another role.
In terms of losing the player, this would appear to nearly guarantee at least one freshman being within the two deep in terms of the CB position and likely a few more freshman being on the game roster and playing in nickel situations. Idode played a lot as a freshman but, in general, playing freshman DBs isn't going to be good.
Non freshman DBs right now are Nunes, LeAndre, Isaac Lane, Riley, Booker, JDM.
Riley is a CB but I think the rest have played Safety for Valpo. I'm not sure if any could slide over. I'd think that JDM could but then you'd weaken a position he's shown that he can be effective at. Nunes, if anything, should be moving up a level and not back so he's locked in as, likely, the SS. Lane's been bounced back and forth between O and D so I'm not sure the confidence is there with the coaches.
I guess the rose colored glasses outlook may be best here in this "creates opportunity for someone else".
Two LBers and two DBs who would likely have started and/or played significant time isn't good. Anyone know if Tristan is ready to go?
Today's drops:
#52 Cullen Bauer-Trotter RSFR. (TRAN)
#22 Kevin Geulce FR.
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 18, 2017, 06:46:10 PM
Today's drops:
#52 Cullen Bauer-Trotter RSFR. (TRAN)
#22 Kevin Geulce FR.
That's a DL and DB if your scoring.
Tomorrow is the final scrimmage of camp. Classes start next week so there's move in day and the typical pre classes couple of days of activities so game prep probably begins Wed or Thursday with the team whittled down to game day and scout rosters. We may yet not be at the end of those not wishing to continue because they aren't playing. First game is a flight game which means about 10 less players travel. The last few years the money game has been a bus game so the travel squad was larger. This does lead to the odd freshman playing in this game and then not taking another snap the rest of the season. That happened with a couple of players last season.
Scrimmage today. Hope someone on the board is there to check out who is playing where:
QBs - Seewald or Duncan getting the reps and who looks the best?
RBs - Who looks to be "the man" in the backfield?
WRs - How does Norberg look at WR?
TEs - How does Clarke look in his new role and is Mason Sutter really 6-7, 240?
DL - Tristan playing or held out?
LBs - Who replaces Kye Hall?
Secondary (especially the secondary) - who are these guys?
Finally, are there any freshmen breakthroughs?
So on a flight to Montana, how many players do they usually take?
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 20, 2017, 12:17:39 PMSo on a flight to Montana, how many players do they usually take?
It is a specific number and it's in the low 50's for flights and low 60's for bus trips. 53 is the number that sticks in my head for flights but it may be one or two more or less.
Brings one question to my mind in do they have Ryan Clarke take a few snaps at QB in practice so he can function as a 3rd QB if needed. Right now he's a 3rd TE/LS.
Well, any word?????
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 19, 2017, 09:05:36 AM
Scrimmage today. Hope someone on the board is there to check out who is playing where:
QBs - Seewald or Duncan getting the reps and who looks the best?
RBs - Who looks to be "the man" in the backfield?
WRs - How does Norberg look at WR?
TEs - How does Clarke look in his new role and is Mason Sutter really 6-7, 240?
DL - Tristan playing or held out?
LBs - Who replaces Kye Hall?
Secondary (especially the secondary) - who are these guys?
Finally, are there any freshmen breakthroughs?
Just wondering.... :coffeetime:
Is it just me or does anyone else wonder about the lack of football-related news coming out of the VU Football office -- primarily their Twitter account? [@valpoufootball ]
I looked at all of the other PFL teams' Twitter feeds and saw tons of football related updates on a weekly, if not daily, basis. On the weekend of the VU scrimmage, there were tons of pictures of move-in day, yet only one post about the upcoming scrimmage without any information. And then nothing since. Leading up to the scrimmage, I noticed only two actual Fall camp football updates in over two weeks. Other posts were vanilla type posts with no substantive information. In past years, there were coaches interviews and positional updates and a lot more to sink my teeth into.
The Football Facebook feed does have about 25 photos dated 8/19 but without any commentary. No videos. No results.
Hard to get psyched about going out to Montana without having some stuff to get excited about.
I'd have to concur with you, VULB #62. Weren't they all over twitter during recruiting season posting the new commits? The silence is deafening...
The lack of communication could lead one to think there might be some chaos in camp. Some key guys are gone or perhaps some of the new guys are better than thought. I suspect once the dust settles the lines will be open again heading into the season.
Media day today, won't be there but I've always thought they should have media day before camp. Major schools do this, it might lower attrition if guys get to be in team picture, see individual jerseys, and have an easier day off then grinding through camp and fitting it in on the first day of classes.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 21, 2017, 08:34:45 AMJust wondering.... :coffeetime: Is it just me or does anyone else wonder about the lack of football-related news coming out of the VU Football office -- primarily their Twitter account? [@valpoufootball ] I looked at all of the other PFL teams' Twitter feeds and saw tons of football related updates on a weekly, if not daily, basis. On the weekend of the VU scrimmage, there were tons of pictures of move-in day, yet only one post about the upcoming scrimmage without any information. And then nothing since. Leading up to the scrimmage, I noticed only two actual Fall camp football updates in over two weeks. Other posts were vanilla type posts with no substantive information. In past years, there were coaches interviews and positional updates and a lot more to sink my teeth into. The Football Facebook feed does have about 25 photos dated 8/19 but without any commentary. No videos. No results. Hard to get psyched about going out to Montana without having some stuff to get excited about.
To your point regarding PFL teams being more forthcoming, I invite anyone interested in how other teams handle information during camp to view the Stetson Football twitter timeline. Nearly daily updates and articles after each scrimmage. My own view is this is how it should be handled. Certainly puts the program out there. I think Brandon Vickrey (Football SID) is a member of this board as well as MLB. Maybe they have some input on the lack of ongoing updates from the football program.
You're right about the silence when it comes to Valpo. What you're referring to in terms of interviews typically comes on or just after media day which is today. We may even see something posted later today maybe by Brandon. We'll get about 8 minutes of vague detail. Coach rarely gives you anything much in the way of injury update and the questions asked never approach issues going on behind the scenes which I've known about but were never publically acknowledged. For instance, if Seewald is not throwing at this point, we may not hear that. We'll see.
In terms of Saturday, a number of vet players were held out apparently so many of your questions can't be answered anyway. I'm a little concerned that, with at least 3 series of camp pictures, #1 is shown not in pads in all of them.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 21, 2017, 02:05:08 PMMedia day today, won't be there but I've always thought they should have media day before camp. Major schools do this, it might lower attrition if guys get to be in team picture, see individual jerseys, and have an easier day off then grinding through camp and fitting it in on the first day of classes.
I think classes begin tomorrow.
Jason Miran posted a picture on the 16th of #1 in pads.
Quote from: vu72 on August 21, 2017, 03:18:13 PMJason Miran posted a picture on the 16th of #1 in pads.
Rene is not in pads in that picture. He's in a shell without pads and shorts. The rest of the WRs are in full pads.
Can't say we get any real info other than the offense has a lot of players back, defense has not as many players back and we don't like that we're picked 10th.
https://twitter.com/BrandonVickrey/status/899630920768081921
Disagree Cechinni stated that one or two (likely two) freshman will play at db, 1 at linebacker, and 1 at dline
My bet is
Scargle
Skarecky
Olojo
Jones
Also new brown uniforms from media day, looking spiffy
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 21, 2017, 04:03:06 PMDisagree Cechinni stated that one or two (likely two) freshman will play at db, 1 at linebacker, and 1 at dline My bet is Scargle Skarecky Olojo Jones
What you provided was information even in guess form. What Dave provided were generalities. It probably wasn't the right forum to get much more specific but it's also not outside the very general information usually provided by Dave. The questions I think need to be answered have been posted quite eloquently by VULB and I don't think the answers to those questions are outside of what I'd expect the public to be privy to.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 19, 2017, 09:05:36 AMis Mason Sutter really 6-7, 240?
Unless the roster has a couple of other TEs who are 6'7" it appears to be a misprint although he may be 240. This is based on media day pics.
Jimmys dad died over the weekend. He is still on team
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 21, 2017, 04:55:53 PMJimmys dad died over the weekend. He is still on team
Wow. Sorry to hear that.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 21, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Jimmy's dad died over the weekend. He is still on team
Wow is right. Paul Seewald was only 53. Hope Jimmy and his family are doing OK. Sending condolences and sympathy.
Here is a link to Mr. Seewald's obituary for anyone who might be interested:
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-Seewald&lc=6785&pid=186434562&mid=7530008
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 21, 2017, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 21, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Jimmy's dad died over the weekend. He is still on team
Wow is right. Paul Seewald was only 53. Hope Jimmy and his family are doing OK. Sending condolences and sympathy.
Here is a link to Mr. Seewald's obituary for anyone who might be interested:
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-Seewald&lc=6785&pid=186434562&mid=7530008
Terrible, just terrible. Prayers for peace for the Seewald family.
I'm sorry to hear this news. I will keep the Seewald family in my prayers. Hopefully the team can can be a resource for Jimmy in his grieving process.
so sad! My thoughts and prayers are with the Seewald family.
I finally got to watch the Cecchini Fall Camp Interview. Among many things, he does a good job in explaining how and why attrition is a factor in non-scholarship FB and how they deal with it. He lauded JJ's recovery and preparation for his 6th year. He also confirmed that on the QB depth chart Seewald is #1. He also stated that Duncan is #2.... so far. Freshmen with a shot at being on the 2 deep, who he mentioned, were Jeremiah Olojo, 6-4, 280 (Chicago), on the DL and Dilan Scargle, 5-11, 190 (Florida), in the secondary. We have 9 offensive starters returning and 7 defensive returnees. In his opinion, this is the most experienced crew he has had despite only having a handful of seniors. That's due to all of the action the previous two classes have seen as Freshmen and sophomores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVFFuutZzvg
I watched his interview as well and I thought the way he articulated the attrition at this level to be remarkable. His succinct way of explaining the dynamic of finding the unique kids looking to put the same time and effort into football without it being a vehicle to pay for their education indicates that he has a very good understanding of the kind of high school kids to pursue. This will pay dividends for this program in the future.
I think he learned that while coaching at Lehigh when the Patriot League was totally non-scholarship. I believe he also had some time on the Harvard staff as well - Ivy, also non-schlarship. As I recall that was one of the reasons MLB put a full court press on him to come to Valpo.
so why is Valpo not as successful in keeping upperclassman on the football team compared to other non-scholarship. Hoping success on the field can resolve this.
Well two upperclassmen were arrested, one for his third time, at valpo so can't fix that.
Also fasfa is on a year to year basis now which means your financial package can completely change from year 1 to 2
What size endowment would Valpo need to have in order to fund a scholarship program? Just curious--because if I win the lottery tonight maybe I give MLB a call and hook him up.
Well FCS is 65 scholarships:
65x64,000(current base tuition when i attended)x4.2(adding in the .2 for natural increase of fifth years if school is paid for)
Rough Estimate: $17,472,000 per 4 year cycle to be FCS Scholarship
I wanted to take a quick stab at this question. First, I checked for similar schools to Valpo - private Universities ranked in the top 10 of US News' Regional Universities rankings (for any region). No schools in the West, Midwest, or North regions currently sponsor D1 scholarship football (either FBS or FCS). Three schools in the South region did, Elon, Samford and The Citadel. I ignored the Citadel since it is so different as a military institution. That left Elon and Samford. According to the latest EADA data, they both spend in total around 5.3 million dollars a year on football. Valpo spends 1.1 million. So that looks like an annual gap of about 4.2 million dollars. Endowments usually pay out 4% of their total each year, ideally with investment income exceeding that amount so that the endowment can fund its purpose in perpetuity. So, a 105 million dollar endowment would generate the roughly 4.2 million dollars needed per year. In addition, a one time investment of 20 to 30 million dollars in facilities would probably be needed. So let's say 130 million dollars. The cash pay out for Powerball is currently 443 million, which after taxes is maybe 221 million? So you could completely fund a move up to FCS and still have 90 million left over for yourself - if you were so inclined. Best of luck to you!
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 23, 2017, 09:41:37 AMWell two upperclassmen were arrested, one for his third time, at valpo so can't fix that.
Unfortunately when you put information out there such as this without attaching names to who it is that you refer to, it leaves it open to speculation of whom you refer including those who may not have been arrested. So every upperclassman who's not back is now in play.
Looks like a couple of adds if anyone is keeping track. At the very least I don't recall seeing the names associated with these numbers.
83 Brent Brimmage listed as a DB but shown in the WR drills in pictures
85 TJ Weinzimmer listed as WR
btw....if anyone cares, I am the former WC2624. My account went inactive for some reason which I wasn't able to figure out.
Quote from: JD24 on August 24, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
Looks like a couple of adds if anyone is keeping track. At the very least I don't recall seeing the names associated with these numbers.
83 Brent Brimmage listed as a DB but shown in the WR drills in pictures
85 TJ Weinzimmer listed as WR
btw....if anyone cares, I am the former WC2624. My account went inactive for some reason which I wasn't able to figure out.
Brimmage has been there from the beginning. His is a number change. Wienzimmer was announced with the second wave of recruits but was not listed on the roster.
More drops this week: WR Moore DB Lane and OL Zajac. We are down to 5 returning DB's.
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 24, 2017, 09:06:41 PMQuote from: JD24 on August 24, 2017, 05:19:47 PMLooks like a couple of adds if anyone is keeping track. At the very least I don't recall seeing the names associated with these numbers. 83 Brent Brimmage listed as a DB but shown in the WR drills in pictures 85 TJ Weinzimmer listed as WR btw....if anyone cares, I am the former WC2624. My account went inactive for some reason which I wasn't able to figure out.
Brimmage has been there from the beginning. His is a number change. Wienzimmer was announced with the second wave of recruits but was not listed on the roster. More drops this week: WR Moore DB Lane and OL Zajac. We are down to 5 returning DB's.
Zajac is still listed with number 74.
Moore and Lane have some game experience as well. Doesn't help from a depth perspective at WR and the DB situation is downright scary at the moment.