The first team defense finally played the game I thought they might be capable of yesterday. That is good news going into Saturday's game with the Bulldogs. We will need great effort on both sides of the ball to be competitive.
Butler is game 10 , Jville game 9, that being said, Roll Damm Cru!
Yeah, that's what I said :lol:
Jacksonville had nearly 400 yards on the ground. 4 different runners over 70 yards. Jacksonville has been involved in a few shootouts so far and Valpo should be able to score on them. Valpo has played much better at home than they have on the road.
The one thing that is certain is that previous scores in the PFL are not a prediction of future scores. You know, JU beat Marist by 7, we beat Marist by 34. Stetson beat Davidson by 11, JU bet them by 14, We beat Stetson. That sort of thing. The one obvious thing is that Valpo is playing at a different level then in earlier games played against teams like Drake and Campbell.
I think Coach C said it well in the post game interview when asked why? A few things. First we are healthy. Our team leader at center(Jack Jarnigan) is back. Second, the freshman who were forced into action due to injury now have some experience and are more comfortable. Most importantly we are winning the turnover war. 12 in the last two games.
I like our chance on the road, Valpo by 10.
Alright Offense
Senior: Blue
Junior: Green
Sophomore: Purple
Freshman: Red
Quarterback
#9 Jimmy Seewald SO. (8/8)
#14 Chris Duncan RSFR. (0/8)
#4 Joe Mullen RSSO. (0/1)
#11 Trey Bilinski FR. (RS) #13 Ryan Markoff FR. (RS)
Running back
#10 Jarrett Morgan SR. (6/6)
#44 Kyle Cartales SO. (2/8)
#32 Cody Boxrucker SO. (0/7)
#21 Elias Earley RSSO. (0/7)
#15 Doug Haugh FR. (RS)
Full back/ H Back
#40 Brannen Martin RSFR. (0/7)
Split End
#30 Frank Catrine SR. (8/8)
#2 Griffin Norberg JR. (0/8)
#82 Deuce Larose FR. (0/7)
#85 TJ Weinzimmer FR. (RS)
Wide Out
#3 Parker Fox RSSO. (8/8)
#12 JD Koehler RSSO. (0/8)
#19 Trey Stablein FR. (RS) #86 Kevin Wright FR. (RS)
Slot
#1 Jean Rene JR. (6/6)
#26 Donny Navarro FR. (2/8)
#23 Bailey Gessinger SO. (0/8)
#33 Connor Beer FR. (RS)
Tight End
#84 Mason Sutter JR. (8/8)
#16 Ryan Clarke SR. (0/8)
#87 Martin Petruff SO. (0/8)
#31 Alex Kluck FR. (RS) #80 Brett Bittner FR. (RS)
Left Tackle
#77 Terrence Roberts RSSO. (6/6)
#76 Alex Cotton RSSO. (3/8)
#74 James Zajac RSFR. (0/2)
Left Guard
#67 Eric Rentschler JR. (8/8)
#66 Sam Vas FR. (0/7)
#50 John Horan RSSO. (0/0)
Center
#65 Jack Jarnigan RSSO. (7/7)
#70 Brady Sullivan RSSO. (1/8)
#69 Alex Helander RSSO. (0/1)
#51 Nick Antonacci FR. (RS)
Right Guard
#73 Tom Schofield JR. (8/8)
#72 Solomon Kamara RSFR. (0/7)
#61 Sean Pierce SO. (RS)(INJ) #64 Sean Stephens RSFR. (0/0)
Right Tackle
#60 Andrew Lundberg RSSO. (7/7)
#75 Shannon Taliaferro JR. (1/7)
#71 Bryce Biggs RSFR. (0/3)
#79 Thomas Walsh FR. (RS)
Defense
Nose Tackle
#56 Tristan De La Rosa SR. (3/6)
#93 James Reed SO. (2/3)
#92 Drew Gedrys FR. (3/8)
#78 Ronald Williams RSFR. (0/0) #90 Isaac Velasco FR. (RS) #58 David Mason FR. (RS)
Defensive Tackle
#99 Jakob Trumpower RSSO. (8/8)
#97 Jeremiah Olojo FR. (0/6) #62 Nathan Orlandini FR. (0/6)
#96 Cameron Germain FR. (0/3)
#94 Humza Razzak RSFR. (0/1)
#42 Jake Iery JR. (INJ)(RS)
Defensive End
#34 Jay Slone RSSR. (7/8) #54 Jesse Studyvin JR. (INJ)(1/2)
#91 Jordan Goebel RSFR. (0/8)
#44 Connor Sperling RSFR. (0/1)
#95 Murphy Osmond SO. (INJ) (RS)
Outside Linebacker
#18 Mike Wheeler JR. (8/8)
#33 Gowan Baldwin JR. (0/8)
#38 Joey Poloskey FR. (0/6)
#46 Josh Baker FR. (RS) #89 Cade Bishop FR. (RS)
Inside Linebacker
#24 Drew Snouffer JR. (8/8)
#6 Logan Pfizenmayer FR. (0/8)
#39 Jack Buckey SO. (INJ)(RS)
Inside Linebacker
#49 Nick Turner JR. (7/7)
#47 Matthew Messler RSSO. (0/8)
#43 John Regan SR. (0/6)
Outside Linebacker
#36 Austin Petrie SO. (6/7)
#37 Laddie Skarecky FR. (2/8)
#35 Gavin Twigg FR. (0/8)
#30 Cole VanSetters FR. (RS)
Cornerback
#5 Jalin Leandre JR. (8/8)
#14 Cam Kelly FR. (2/8)
#2 Stacey Jones FR. (RS)
Safety
#4 JJ Nunes RSSR. (7/7)
#20 Jamari Booker SO. (1/8)
#45 David Hebda FR. (0/1)
#15 Isaac Lane RSSO. (INJ)
Safety
#28 Joey Diaz-Martinez JR. (8/8)
#22 Tamone Duncan FR. (0/7)
#7 Brent Brimmage FR. (0/5)
#19 Bryce Leach FR. (RS)
Cornerback
#17 Brandon Riley SR. (INJ) (1/1) #25 Dilan Scargle FR. (5/7)
#41 Henry Hebda FR. (0/6)
#31 Corey Shannon FR. (RS)
So we graduate SEVEN starters???? All those spots have plenty of experience backing up the graduating guys. The entire offensive line returns!!! Wow! I suspect we will be getting plenty of respect going into next year. Top 3 I would guess.
I think we have a shot at winning out. The Jacksonville game is winnable. The Butler game is...THE BUTLER GAME! And, we get Dayton at home where we have played extremely well. Would be earth shattering if we did it.
Here we stand as of the close of games on Saturday [click to enlarge]
In addition we are 5th in PFL scoring and 7th in scoring defense. It's been a long, long time since I've seen a Valpo FB team this high in the standings this late in the season.
As 72 mentioned below, it is not that whacky to think we could be competitive in all three games that are left. In watching the game at Brown Field, I could sense the confidence that Dave mentioned in the post game interview. Watching a stream can't always convey that. There is almost a swagger there. That defensive swagger needs to show up (but with great self control) to beat the Jacksonville Flexbone. JU ran for 396 yards vs. Campbell and possesed the ball for 10 minutes more than Campbell in their 54-48 triple OT win. Interesting observation: JU passed for 110 yards in the game. 109 went to WR Prince Gray on 4 receptions. They passed 15 times all game and only completed 5 with 2 picks. I wonder what our pass coverage will be like come Saturday? ::)
JU RUSHING ATT YDS LOSS NET TD LG AV.
Keenan SIMPSON 17 108 0 108 1 17 6.4
Pernell RATTRAY 16 95 0 95 1 19 5.9
Irvin RILEY 21 96 1 95 1 25 4.5
Rylan WELLS 13 99 26 73 1 40 5.6
Wells is their QB and he ran for 99. Of the 26 yards he lost 11 were on 2 sacks. Still, he had the longest run of the day at 40 yds.
Continue our winning ways!
Valpo 41
Jax 38
Artis Gilmore U 37
Ginger Zee U 24
As most are speculating, this could be a barnburner -- an up and down the field kind of game.
Valpo wins if: Our O has got to be as efficient as it ever has been to take advantage of every possession. Given JU can control the ball for long stretches with methodical drives, we can't do a lot of 3-and-outs. So it comes down to who is better at 3rd down conversions. I'm also thinking that the character of the game will be: JU = series of long, time consuming drives vs. Valpo = series of quicker, long drives characterized more by big plays. That puts the Valpo D on the field for a lot of the game -- hope they can stay fresh and maintain focus for 60 minutes.
Turnovers might also be a factor. For JAX two kinds of TOs could hurt them -- fumbles off the triple option pitch and, if forced to pass a lot, picks. On the Valpo side, we have been pretty good with ball security over all 8 games.
>> Valpo has fumbled 8 times and only lost 3; JAX has fumbled 23 times and lost 11.
>> Valpo has picked off 13 passes and returned them for a total of 131 yards; JAX has picked off 11 for 103
>> Valpo has been intercepted 10 times on 259 attempts (3.8%); JAX 5 out of only 122 attempts (4.1%)
PFL Stats
Valpo PF 162 PA 156
JAX PF 165 PA 206
Yards Allowed:
Valpo 444.4/game (8 games)
JAX 385.6/game (8 games)
A look at the OOC comparative schedules (with opponent's record to date in parentheses):
JAX VALPO
Mercer (FCS 4-4) - L 7-48 Montana (FCS 5-3 ) L 23-45
Walsh (D-II 2-7) - W 56-31 Duquesne (FCS 7-1) L 40-45
Guilford (D-III 4-4) - W 56-21 TIU (NAIA 2-6) W 44-10
Sagarin has Valpo at #243 and JAX at #245 Gonna be close. I look for both teams to score over 30 points. It may well come down to who winds up with a score on the final possession. Valpo 36 - JAX 33.
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 01, 2017, 09:09:10 AM
Artis Gilmore U 37
Ginger Zee U 24
Drew U 41
Daniel Murphy U (Mets/Nats player) 37
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 01, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
As most are speculating, this could be a barnburner -- an up and down the field kind of game.
Alpo wins if: Our O has got to be as efficient as it ever has been to take advantage of every possession. Given JU can control the ball for long stretches with methodical drives, we can't do a lot of 3-and-outs. So it comes down to who is better at 3rd down conversions. I'm also thinking that the character of the game will be: JU = series of long, time consuming drives vs. Valpo = series of quicker, long drives characterized more by big plays. That puts the Valpo D on the field for a lot of the game -- hope they can stay fresh and maintain focus for 60 minutes.
Turnovers might also be a factor. For JAX two kinds of TOs could hurt them -- fumbles off the triple option pitch and, if forced to pass a lot, picks. On the Valpo side, we have been pretty good with ball security over all 8 games.
>> Valpo has fumbled 8 times and only lost 3; JAX has fumbled 23 times and lost 11.
>> Valpo has picked off 13 passes and returned them for a total of 131 yards; JAX has picked off 11 for 103
>> Valpo has been intercepted 10 times on 259 attempts (3.8%); JAX 5 out of only 122 attempts (4.1%)
PFL Stats
Valpo PF 162 PA 156
JAX PF 165 PA 206
Yards Allowed:
Valpo 444.4/game (8 games)
JAX 385.6/game (8 games)
A look at the OOC comparative schedules (with opponent's record to date in parentheses):
JAX VALPO
Mercer (FCS 4-4) - L 7-48 Montana (FCS 5-3 ) L 23-45
Walsh (D-II 2-7) - W 56-31 Duquesne (FCS 7-1) L 40-45
Guilford (D-III 4-4) - W 56-21 TIU (NAIA 2-6) W 44-10
Sagarin has Valpo at #243 and JAX at #245 Gonna be close. I look for both teams to score over 30 points. It may well come down to who winds up with a score on the final possession. Valpo 36 - JAX 33.
Great analysis. I was about to write that our early season opposition was tougher than theirs as they played a D2 (still scholarship) and a D3, which is the equivalent of NAIA. But after checking I think the Mercer game was a lot tougher than our Montana game. Did you know that Mercer has or will play both Auburn and Alabama? Wow!
The time of possession will be key as pointed out. I'm sure Dave will try to grind out drives and then hit for the bigger gains to keep them off the field. Hopefully our significant takeaway history of late will continue. A little rain might help!!
As aside note, we saw the Mercer campus a few years ago...they have a great little stadium(don't know ow many it holds) but it is picturesque as is the rest of the campus.
Originally it was around 5,000-6,000. It is currently at ~12,000
Mercer's facilities are top notch. One look at their football stadium (seats at least 10,000) would have given anyone a slight hint that they had no intention of staying in the PFL from back in their first season 2013.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 01, 2017, 03:07:16 PMOriginally it was around 5,000-6,000. It is currently at ~12,000
The original plans were for a smaller capacity. Prior to construction the capacity was upped to over 10,000. Mercer's a nice campus. Just don't wander much from it.
The associated field house (offices, locker rooms, performance/weight facilities, and medical and P/T operated by the Mercer Medical School) is state of the art. JD24 is absolutely correct in the assertion that in building all of this it was NOT to play non-scholarship football. Their top attendance mark is 12,172. For Jacksonville, they attracted 9,000+.
I think Mercer faces the Tide and Phyllis from Mulga from Paul Feinbaum fame in a few weeks.
Between Auburn and the Tide, I'll bet they clear a cool $1.5 million. You can buy plenty of body bags with that kind of cash. BTW, they held their own against then #15 Auburn losing only 24-10. They have come quite far in a short time.
Jax is a 3-pt favorite (from the one line I could find)... the O/U is .... 77.5 !! (Only the Incarnate Word vs. Sam Houston State has a higher prediction, at 83)
Forecast:
Sunny 81°65° 10% NNE 11 mph 64% Humidity
yeh, I don't wanna hear it....
Being a home game for JU, that is not a great endorsement. The O/U does reflect everyone's thought that this will be a track meet. As far as SHSU v. Incarnate Word goes I'd guess 60 of that is SHSU.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 01, 2017, 05:59:11 PMBeing a home game for JU, that is not a great endorsement. The O/U does reflect everyone's thought that this will be a track meet. As far as SHSU v. Incarnate Word goes I'd guess 60 of that is SHSU.
Going to be cool for Jacksonville.
Jacksonville's coaches podcast:
https://soundcloud.com/judolphins/behind-the-shields-valparaiso-1
Ickow and Cecchini Morehead look-back and JAX preview:
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Quote from: vu72 on November 02, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Jacksonville's coaches podcast:
https://soundcloud.com/judolphins/behind-the-shields-valparaiso-1
Couple of tidbits: They had 92 snaps vs. Campbell. Of the 92, they ran 77 times and didn't fumble. We have our work cut out for us on defense. The D has to get off the field and give the O multiple opportunities.
What does Jacksonville's stadium look now? I saw past pictures and it looked pretty brutal!
The playing surface and surrounding track are similar to ours and look fine. In 2014 they added a 2,900 seat grandstand, press box and scoreboard.
Here's the 2014 story: http://www.judolphins.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20140812z25pbk
Up to that point Milne Field was pretty much just that -- a field.
Here is a FB link with photos.
https://www.facebook.com/JUDolphins/photos/pcb.10152187580921556/10152187566301556/?type=3&theater
The new grandstand appears to be about 25 rows high (Brown Field has 17 rows), but it also appears that the rennovated press box is still on the east side and is pretty low. Hard to tell from the internet-posted photos I saw.
that has to be the lowest press box in college football! There must be some creative coordination from the coaches during the game. How are you supposed to see the formations? How is Todd supposed to provide us with his outstanding play by play?
JD24, I believe, has been there recently and may have an even better assessment and maybe the real press box is on teh west side now???
It's been a couple of years but the Press Box is still on the side opposite the grandstand unless it has been moved since then. It's a nice yet small facility with room around the field to sit on the hills or put up a chair around the perimeter. It serves its purpose and I find it pretty nice. Since I'm not sitting in it, I don't really care about the Press Box. We need Valpo to where their Gold on White unis to drive the Jacksonville announcers crazy.
Good lord, talk about your QB blowing a game! Those 3 INTs were absolutely pitiful throws, with no pressure on him. He ended up with 2 that sailed very high, and that last one was not even close to a WR. What in the world was wrong with Seewald today?
If we ran it three times it would have been a win or at least a tie
Cartales just ran for a 15 yard gain, its sad we played awful today and barely lost to Jacksonville, that Is an improvement
Defense played well enough to win, Jimmy had a very bad outing ,
3 picks
2 wide open touchdowns to Catrine over thrown
This was a botched coaching job in the last few minutes but also offense did not play enough to win, Great defensive game
True, Seewald threw 3 interceptions, but the third one should never have happened. I blame the coaching staff for a terrible play call, especially since there already had been two interceptions. Who throws the ball in that situation? Even if it worked, Jacksonville gets the ball back with more time on the clock. The Jacksonville announcers said Valpo would likely run the rest of their plays. If they don't get a TD, they can tie the game with a field goal. If they do get a TD, there is almost no time left on the clock for Jacksonville, and it is a win. Awful play call that threw away a game that should have been a win!
Quote from: valpotx on November 04, 2017, 01:40:56 PM
Good lord, talk about your QB blowing a game! Those 3 INTs were absolutely pitiful throws, with no pressure on him. He ended up with 2 that sailed very high, and that last one was not even close to a WR. What in the world was wrong with Seewald today?
That was a long way to travel to give a gift. It appears that everyone knew what Valpo needed to do for a final, game winning TD...that's everyone except the coaching staff!
True, I was also thinking that we would run the next 3 plays, as they weren't stopping us. They were missing a bunch of tackles.
I was at work during the better portion of the game and only had the JU STATS App to go by and it is junk. OK. I finally got to check the box score and went to the drive chart.
Starting with around 7 minutes to go we move down the field on a combination of good runs and passes and get a 1st and 10 at the JU 10. We are now at about 3+ minutes, 3 points down. At the very least we can kick a FG and tie the game. We have 3 shots. Or 4 that would mean a FG or a last ditch attempt at a TD. The ground game has been effective. We have at our disposal the regular ground attack as well as the wildcat. We have shown, Vs. MSU, some effective misdirection inside the 20. It is first down, we just need to secure the ball. Running the ball this deep will take at least a minute or two off the clock, and after we score either 3 (to tie) or 6 (to take the lead) that will make any drive by JU in response much more difficult.
If we pass into the end zone, there are three possible outcomes to this.
>> An incomplete stops the clock: not desirable, but we still have more plays to score.
>> A completion scores 6 points but also stops the clock: kinda risky but desirable, yet not the best possible result.
>> A pick means the end of game even though there are 3 minutes left, because JU can eat up the clock with its ground game. And Valpo is out of time outs (I think).
So..... We throw on first down into the end zone. Pick.
Now I understand the outrage.
A word about the role of the OC. I do not believe he calls the plays. That is Coach Cecchini. The OC in the booth makes recommendations based on what he sees might work. He'll say something like "they are loading the box run pass play so and so." It is still up to the coach who makes the call to do the millisecond analysis, apply experience and the game situation to the equation and then make the final call and relay it to the QB.
I feel crappy about the ending of this game. But perfection is hard to achieve. We lost a game we should have won, and play selection is a part of that. Despite that, I am still on the band wagon.
Quote from: valpotx on November 04, 2017, 01:40:56 PMGood lord, talk about your QB blowing a game! Those 3 INTs were absolutely pitiful throws, with no pressure on him. He ended up with 2 that sailed very high, and that last one was not even close to a WR. What in the world was wrong with Seewald today?
Had Catrine in the endzone. Threw it short
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 04, 2017, 11:33:05 PMI was at work during the better portion of the game and only had the JU STATS App to go by and it is junk. OK. I finally got to check the box score and went to the drive chart. Starting with around 7 minutes to go we move down the field on a combination of good runs and passes and get a 1st and 10 at the JU 10. We are now at about 3+ minutes, 3 points down. At the very least we can kick a FG and tie the game. We have 3 shots. Or 4 that would mean a FG or a last ditch attempt at a TD. The ground game has been effective. We have at our disposal the regular ground attack as well as the wildcat. We have shown, Vs. MSU, some effective misdirection inside the 20. It is first down, we just need to secure the ball. Running the ball this deep will take at least a minute or two off the clock, and after we score either 3 (to tie) or 6 (to take the lead) that will make any drive by JU in response much more difficult. If we pass into the end zone, there are three possible outcomes to this. >> An incomplete stops the clock: not desirable, but we still have more plays to score. >> A completion scores 6 points but also stops the clock: kinda risky but desirable, yet not the best possible result. >> A pick means the end of game even though there are 3 minutes left, because JU can eat up the clock with its ground game. And Valpo is out of time outs (I think). So..... We throw on first down into the end zone. Pick. Now I understand the outrage. A word about the role of the OC. I do not believe he calls the plays. That is Coach Cecchini. The OC in the booth makes recommendations based on what he sees might work. He'll say something like "they are loading the box run pass play so and so." It is still up to the coach who makes the call to do the millisecond analysis, apply experience and the game situation to the equation and then make the final call and relay it to the QB. I feel crappy about the ending of this game. But perfection is hard to achieve. We lost a game we should have won, and play selection is a part of that. Despite that, I am still on the band wagon.
Lost a game they "could" have won. It's not as if Jacksonville played a clean game. They had multiple problems with their option in simply getting the ball from the QB to the back. With an offense such as the flexbone this is or should be and has been pretty basic stuff for them but it was not today. They stopped themselves as well. Not sure you're correct on the playcaller in general although the call comes through the HC so he can change it if he prefers.
I can understand the wish to run the ball however I'm not playing for a field goal at any point in the game even as a backup plan. I'm trying to get the ball into the endzone. Valpo's nature on offense, like it or not, has been to be very aggressive and we're going to have to learn to take the plusses and minuses of the aggressiveness.
Absolutely agree that a TD is priority #1. But I would argue that at the 10 you run "safe" passes to ensure ball security. The description does not tell me whether the pass was forced into a tight spot, misthrown or what. I only was able to watch Q1 and I have to rely on the box score for the basic description the rest of the way. But with 3 pts already in the back pocket as the fall-back position, at a minimum, we should walk away with a tie at about 2 minutes left. If, indeed, the ground game was chewing up yards and Jimmy was shakey as described by others, that at least should have been the cue to first go with what seemed to be working best at the time.
But then we dont know what the coaches saw and we don't know the rationale for that call. 20/20 hindsight is a great thing.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 05, 2017, 10:32:42 AMAbsolutely agree that a TD is priority #1. But I would argue that at the 10 you run "safe" passes to ensure ball security. The description does not tell me whether the pass was forced into a tight spot, misthrown or what. I only was able to watch Q1 and I have to rely on the box score for the basic description the rest of the way. But with 3 pts already in the back pocket as the fall-back position, at a minimum, we should walk away with a tie at about 2 minutes left. If, indeed, the ground game was chewing up yards and Jimmy was shakey as described by others, that at least should have been the cue to first go with what seemed to be working best at the time. But then we dont know what the coaches saw and we don't know the rationale for that call. 20/20 hindsight is a great thing.
Seewald underthrew Catrine who had position in the endzone. The LBer underneath made a great play on the ball going way up for it. A good throw is a TD. As I mentioned in the Butler thread, the WRs had tremendous separation all game. Running the ball may have been a choice but it's also pretty easy to see why a throw into the endzone for the league might be the choice. In addition, throwing on what some might consider a run down may have put the offense in the best possible scenario. I don't think you play that situation with an "at least we have a tie in our back pocket" mentality. Kickers miss kicks.
Sure kickers miss. The JAX guy did, right? But here you need to virtually guarantee 3 good plays until that even comes into consideration. Not ultra conservative — just secure the ball. And even then, depending on ball placement (6" line vs. at the 9) you still might go for the 6. And yes, had the 1st down pass been completed everyone are heroes, but it wasn't, it was picked off, and we never had the other two chances. Just a slightly different approach to the same situation — that's why they play the game instead of mailing it in. Agree to disagree?