Okay now that the season is over we can post a review and the way too early depth chart for '18 by position, also please feel free to post any recruits/attrition so we can update
QB:
#4 Joe Mullen 6'4 215 RSSO: 1 GP 11 pass yards
#9 Jimmy Seewald 6'5 220 SO: 11GP/11GS 2602 yards throwing, 18 touchdowns
#11 Trey Bilinksi 6-2 215 FR: Redshirt
#13 Ryan Markoff 6-2 190 FR: Redshirt
#14 Chris Duncan 6-4 190 RSFR: 10 GP 286 yards 2 touchdowns, 181 yards rushing 1 touchdown
Spring 2018 Depth Chart.
1. #9 Jimmy Seewald JR.
2. #14 Chris Duncan RSSO.
3. #4 Joe Mullen RSJR. or #11 Trey Bilinski RSFR. or Ryan Markoff RSFR.
Besides a depth chart going forward (and whatever observations people have regarding our current players and their strength and potential to contribute next season) I'd like for posters to go into some "depth" regarding their overall observations on the past season - ups, downs, highs and lows. With respect to recruits, I would suggest that we do that discussion on an entirely separate thread devoted to just that. I'll start that right away.
Related to that last point, there must have been between 20 and 30 Valpo recruits who were visiting the campus and were at the game with their folks. They were there at least at the beginning. ;D Not many hung around to the end. ::)
Highs: Butler, Dayton, Morehead State, Marist
Mediums: Montana, Stetson, Trinity International, Duquesne
Lows: Drak, Jacksonville
Really Lows: Campbell
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 19, 2017, 01:14:08 PM
Highs: Butler, Dayton, Morehead State, Marist
Mediums: Montana, Stetson, Trinity International, Duquesne
Lows: Drak, Jacksonville
Really Lows: Campbell
I'd adjust it a bit.
Being at Montana, I'd give that a high. In front of 20,000+ UMT fans we scored 23 points and scared the crap out of the faithful. So much so that they openly questioned the HFBC and wondered about their future. They have gone on to a convincing winning record. It is just a source of great pride for me for this team to actually be competitive in a "body bag" game.
Duquesne goes to low. A wuddah, cuddah, shuddah.
I would move JU into Really Low. If we could have scored that last Td, we would now be tied for second at the end of the 2017 campaign. An even more painful Wuddah, Cuddah, Shuddah
RB
#10 Jarrett Morgan 5'11 195 SR: 9GS 9GP 463 yds, 5 tds, REC: 144 yds. 1 td All PFL HM
#15 Doug Haugh 6'1 205 FR: RS
#21 Elias Earley 5'6 175 RSSO: 9GP 109 yds, REC: 19 yds
#32 Cody Boxrucker 6'0 200 SO: 10GP 292 yds , 7 tds
#44 Kyle Cartales 6'1 220 SO: 2GS 11GP 385 yds, 3 tds, REC: 208 yds, 2 tds
Spring 2018 Depth Chart
1. #44 Kyle Cartales JR. or #32 Cody Boxrucker JR.
3. #21 Elias Earley RSJR.
4. #15 Doug Haugh RSFR.
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 19, 2017, 02:37:51 PM
RB
#10 Jarrett Morgan SR: 463 yds, 5 tds, REC: 144 yds. 1 td :(
#15 Doug Haugh FR: RS
#21 Elias Earley RSSO: 109 yds, REC: 19 yds
#32 Cody Boxrucker SO: 292 yds , 7 tds
#44 Kyle Cartales SO: 385 yds, 3 tds, REC: 208 yds, 2 tds
1. #44 Kyle Cartales JR. or #32 Cody Boxrucker JR.
3. #21 Elias Earley RSJR.
4. #15 Doug Haugh RSFR.
There is no "Morgan Speed" in the remaining group. Might it be possible to move Bessinger into the backfield? Or is he a receiver/returner only? We have had a Grayson- and Garret-type for the past 4 years. It just seems to be an integral part of how the offensive system operates.
Could Earley maybe be that guy?
Does the success this year lead to any juco transfers who can play right away?
Final Sagarin Ratings for 2017:
Montana 141 [L]
USD 173 [DNP]
Duquesne 179 [L]
Drake 221 [L]
Dayton 227 [W]
Butler 234 [W]
Valpo 237
Campbell 239 [L]
JU 244 [L]
Marist 249 [W]
Morehead State 251 [W]
Stetson 252 [W]
Davidson 254/254 [DNP]`
Quote from: VUOR63 on November 19, 2017, 10:20:44 PM
Does the success this year lead to any juco transfers who can play right away?
I do not think that is part of Dave's plan. But it would be great to get a few road grader 6-5, 285# OLs/DLs ;D
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 19, 2017, 02:15:30 PMIf we could have scored that last Td, we would now be tied for second at the end of the 2017 campaign. An even more painful Wuddah, Cuddah, Shuddah
This has been mentioned (the JU game) by a few posters and I disagree with the analysis. I think if we're going to put the JU game in the cuddah wuddah's we have to do the same to the Stetson game. That game essentially ended the same way as the JU game except Valpo came out on top.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 19, 2017, 03:02:04 PMThere is no "Morgan Speed" in the remaining group. Might it be possible to move Bessinger into the backfield? Or is he a receiver/returner only? We have had a Grayson- and Garret-type for the past 4 years. It just seems to be an integral part of how the offensive system operates. Could Earley maybe be that guy?
Elias maybe. I don't think Gessinger would be a pick. He's not really comparable to Jarrett who was much more of a RB in HS and is built more solidly than Bailey and even Jarrett had some durability issues. Jarrett's most impressive showings this season were when he'd run some defensive players over rather than trying to outrun them as he's done in the past. I don't think Bailey would hold up out of the backfield. He's in a tough spot though since he's behind Rene and Navarro as a slot WR and will remain so unless one of those two move to SE or Flanker to take Catrine's spot.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 19, 2017, 10:26:01 PMQuote from: VUOR63 on November 19, 2017, 10:20:44 PMDoes the success this year lead to any juco transfers who can play right away?
I do not think that is part of Dave's plan. But it would be great to get a few road grader 6-5, 285# OLs/DLs ;D
The OL is going to be awesome next season. Don't need no stinkin' Juco's
-VULB #62 Don't necessarily see Gessinger filling that roll, Earley is very small but he is faster than Morgan was he could be a big play guy next season
-VUOR63 Dave has said he does not want to do juco's, if you look at the O-line there are multiple redshirts backing up every position and hardly any attrition, never say never just don't see it this particular season
-JD24 agree with your statement we will have arguably the best line Valpo has seen,
Alright Fullback
#40 Brannen Martin 6'1 230 RSFR: 0GS 10GP 4 Tackles 4 yds receiving
Wayyy Too Early Depth Chart for 2018
1. #40 Brannen Martin RSSO.
Split End
#2 Griffin Norberg 6'3 225 JR: 0GS 10GP, 56 Rush yds 2TDs, 376 REC yds 3 TDs, 1 TFL
#30 Frank Catrine 6'0 210 SR. 11GS 11GP, 87 Rush yds 1TD, 402 REC yds 1TD, 3tkl
#82 Deuce Larose 6'0 205 FR: 0GS 10GP, 30 REC yds 1TD, 7tkl
#85 TJ Weinzimmer 6'2 170 FR: Redshirt
Spring 2018 Depth Chart
1. #2 Griffin Norberg SR.
2. #82 Deuce Larose SO.
3. #85 TJ Weinzimmer RSFR.
I clipped these two posts from the PFL Forum. Always nice to know what others outside our little circle think of the Valpo FB program
Post by flyerfan on yesterday at 8:52am
That was a tough game to watch! Mainly because the weather was so bad and the live video stream was blurry as a result. Hats off to Valpo, their defense came up with stops and that 2 point conversion jump pass was ballsy to say the least. Flyers return a lot next season as well and hopefully they gained experience necessary to finish games next season. Lost at least 3 games this year on opponents final drives. Good teams find a way to win those and I'm sure Flyers will get it done. Already looking forward to the 2018 season and I think it's great for the PFL to see a marked improvement in many programs. Good luck to the USD Toreros Representing the PFL in the NCAA FCS playoffs.
Post by pflobserver on yesterday at 12:29pm
It appears Valparaiso is poised to break into the upper echelon of the league if they haven't already. They return most of the roster from this year. Based on this season they're the equal or better than all but Drake and San Diego. What happens with the coaches of the bottom feeders. They've been in charge long enough to accomplish something and haven't.
Wide Out
Wide Out
#3 Parker Fox 5'11 175 RSSO: 11GP 11 GS REC: 344 yds 2TD
#12 JD Koehler 6'0 210 RSSO: 11GP 0GS REC: 71 yds
#19 Trey Stablein 5'11 160 FR: Redshirt
#86 Kevin Wright 5'11 170 FR: Redshirt
Spring 2018 Depth Chart:
1. #3 Parker Fox RSJR
2. #12 JD Koehler RSJR.
3. #19 Trey Stablein RSFR. or #86 Kevin Wright RSFR.
Can we assume there will be lists for WR#2 - i.e., Norberg etc. And another for the slot receiver (WR#3) - i.e., Rene, Navarro?
Split end listed above and yes slot receiver coming
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 29, 2017, 10:46:44 AMWide Out Wide Out #3 Parker Fox 5'11 175 RSSO: 11GP 11 GS REC: 344 yds 2TD #12 JD Koehler 6'0 210 RSSO: 11GP 0GS REC: 71 yds #19 Trey Stablein 5'11 160 FR: Redshirt #86 Kevin Wright 5'11 170 FR: Redshirt Spring 2018 Depth Chart: 1. #3 Parker Fox RSJR 2. #12 JD Koehler RSJR. 3. #19 Trey Stablein RSFR. or #86 Kevin Wright RSFR.
Catrine and Norberg often were in the game as x and z receivers. Fox played behind Norberg from what I saw. JD was behind Catrine. They all ran out of their own packages so it's not that big of a deal but I think the depth chart is a little off here. Typically, JD and Parker would play in tandem with neither Catrine or Norberg in the game.
16, I don't know if this is valid, but using the 2-deep designations does not help us - cuz most of us are old school. Jd24 brought up the x and z receivers. That might be a better way of of presenting the two WR positions and then the slot (and whatever letter designates that).
Parker Fox and Frank Catrine started every game last year
You are correct Catrine often played as the #2 wide out (y) behind Fox and the #1 split end (x). So there were indeed multiple sets of Norberg-Catrine, Koehler-Catrine. However this is just an estimate on rotation
Wide Out rotations last year were essentially:
Fox-Catrine-Koehler-Norberg-Larose (Sparingly)-Navarro(When not in slot). Point of spring chart is to know what we have.
I believe Norberg will take Catrine's reps leaving the backups of Koehler and Larose as interchangeable options. Also Kevin Wright's film was extremely impressive so I would be surprised if we didn't see at least some of him at RB or WR next season. Navarro might split reps between Wide out (y) and Slot (z) to get starter reps. Hopefully this clears it up
Slot
#1 Jean Rene 5'10 180 JR: 9GP 9 GS RUSH: 34yds 1td REC: 345yds 2td RETURN: 34yds DEF: 1tkl
#23 Bailey Gessinger 5'10 165 SO: 11GP 0GS RUSH: 6yds REC: 147yds 2td RETURN: 669yds DEF: 3tkl All PFL 2nd Team
#26 Donny Navarro 5'11 190 FR: 11GP 2 GS RUSH: 30yds REC: 539yds 5td DEF: 1tkl All PFL HM
#33 Connor Beer 5'9 155 FR: Redshirt
2018 Spring Depth Chart:
1. #1 Jean Rene SR.
2. #26 Donny Navarro SO. (Also look for him at Wideout) or #23 Bailey Gessinger JR.
4. #33 Connor Beer RSFR.
Tight End
#84 Mason Sutter 6'5 240 JR: 11GS 11 GP REC: 226yds 1td
#16 Ryan Clarke 6'5 245 SR: 0GS 11GP REC: 29yds DEF: 1tkl
#31 Alex Kluck 6'5 220 FR: Redshirt
#80 Brett Bittner 6'5 205 FR: Redshirt
#87 Martin Petruff 6'5 220 SO: 0GS 11GP REC: 15yds RETURN: 6yds
2018 Spring:
1. #84 Mason Sutter SR.
2. #87 Martin Petruf JR.
3. #31 Alex Kluck RSFR. or #80 Brett Bittner RSFR.
Left Tackle
#74 James Zajac 6'6 270 RSFR: 0GS 2GP
#76 Alex Cotton 6'4 280 RSSO: 3GS 11GP
#77 Terrence Roberts 6'5 335 RSSO: 9GS 9GP
2018 Spring:
1. #77 Terrence Roberts RSJR.
2. #76 Alex Cotton RSJR.
3. #74 James Zajac RSSO.
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 03, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Left Tackle
#74 James Zajac 6'6 270 RSFR: 0GS 2GP
#76 Alex Cotton 6'4 280 RSSO: 3GS 11GP
#77 Terrence Roberts 6'5 335 RSSO: 9GS 9GP
2018 Spring:
1. #77 Terrence Roberts RSJR.
2. #76 Alex Cotton RSJR.
3. #74 James Zajac RSSO.
Terrance is an enigma to me. Aside from his 335# he is not an athlete. I'm sure he is a great kid, but I've watched him live in three games and my immediate impression if I was an opposing scout, would be "run stunts/twists over him because he is slow and lacks agility" and sacks and run disruption woud be the result.
Terrance coming off injury and our offensive line worked best as a unit with him starting. That being said as of right now there is improvement to ask for.
Left Guard
#50 John Horan 6'2 315 RSSO: DNP
#66 Sam Vas 6'1 305 FR: 0GS 10GP
#67 Eric Rentschler 6'2 285 JR : 11GS 11GP All Academic PFL 2nd Team
2018 Spring:
1. #67 Eric Rentschler SR.
2. #66 Sam Vas SO.
3. #50 John Horan RSJR.
Incoming: Aaron Byrd FR.
Center
#51 Nick Antonacci 5'11 255 FR: Redshirt
#65 Jack Jarnigan 6'2 285 RSSO: 10GS 10GP All PFL HM
#69 Alex Helander 6'1 270 RSSO: 0GS 1GP
#70 Brady Sullivan 6'4 280 RSSO: 1GS 8GP
1. #65 Jack Jarnigan RSJR.
2. #70 Brady Sullivan RSJR.
3. #69 Alex Helander RSJR. or #51 Nick Antonacci RSFR.
Right Guard
#61 Sean Pierce 6'4 310 SO: Medical Redshirt (0GS 7GP 2016)
#64 Sean Stephens 6'2 305 RSFR: DNP
#72 Solomon Kamara 6'2 295 RSFR: 0GS 7GP
#73 Tom Schofield 6'3 285 JR: 11GS 11GP All PFL 2nd Team
2018 Sping:
1. #73 Tom Schofield SR.
2. #72 Solomon Kamara RSSO. or #61 Sean Pierce RSSO. (Potentially at C too)
3. #64 Sean Stephens RSSO.
Right Tackle
#60 Andrew Lundberg 6'5 275 RSSO: 10GS 10GP
#71 Bryce Biggs 6'4 240 RSFR: 0GS 3GP
#75 Shannon Taliaferro 6'1 295 JR: 0GS 11GP
#79 Thomas Walsh 6'3 315 FR: Redshirt
2018 Spring
1. #60 Andrew Lundberg RSJR.
2. #75 Shannon Taliaferr SR. (Potentially a G too)
3. #71 Bryce Biggs RSSO or #79 Thomas Walsh RSFR.
Going to do both defensive tackle spots in one block due to difficulty differentiating between two positions
#42 Jake Iery 6'2 250 JR: Medical Redshirt (3GP 0GS '16)
#56 Tristan De La Rosa 6'1 305 SR: 6GS 8GP DEF: 10tkls 1.5tfl 0.5Sacks 1PBR
#58 David Mason 5'7 270 FR: Redshirt
#62 Nathan Orlandini 6'0 255 FR: 0GS 6GP DEF: 5tkls 1tfl
#78 Ronald Williams 6'1 365 RSFR: DNP
#90 Isaac Velasco 5'11 265 FR: Redshirt
#91 Jordan Goebel 6'3 365 RSFR: 0GS 11GP DEF: 26tkls 0.5tfl 1fr
#92 Drew Gedrys 6'3 260 FR: 3GS 11GP DEF: 9tkl 0.5tfl 1ff 1blk
#93 James Reed 6'1 300 JR: 4GS 6GP DEF: 14tkls 1QBH
#94 Humza Razzak 6'0 270 RSFR: 0GS 1GP
#96 Cam Germain: 0GS 3GP DEF: 2tkl
#97 Jeremiah Olojo 6'4 280 FR: 0GS 7GP DEF: 5tkls
#99 Jakob Trumpower 6'4 260 RSSO: 10GS 11GP DEF: 16tkls 2tfl 1fr 1blk
Spring 2018 Defensive Tackle 1
1. #93 James Reed JR.
2. #62 Nathan Orlandini SO. or #97 Jeremiah Olojo SO.
3. #42 Jake Iery RSJR. or #90 Isaac Velasco RSFR.or #94 Humza Razzak RSSO.
Spring 2018 Defensive Tackle 2
1. #99 Jakob Trumpower RSJR.
2. #91 Jordan Goebel RSSO. or #92 Drew Gedrys SO. or #96 Cam Germain SO.
3. #58 David Mason RSFR. or #78 Ronald Williams RSSO.
FB16 -- Just wanted to recognize all the work you are putting into this. Thanks!
Defensive End
#34 Jay Slone 6'3 215 RSSR: 10GS 11GP DEF: 43tkls 0.5tfl brup 2qbh 1fr
#44 Connor Sperling 6'2 245 RSFR: 0GS 1GP
#54 Jesse Studyvin 6'4 270 JR.: 1GS 2GP (Missed season with injury hopeful medical redshirt), DEF: 4tkls 1tfl
#95 Murphy Osmond 6'5 230 SO: Medical Redshirt (10 GP in '16)
2018 Spring Depth Chart
1. #54 Jesse Studyvin RSJR?
2. #95 Murphy Osmond RSSO. or #44 Connor Sperling RSSO.
Incoming: Adrian Guzman 6'4 215 FR.
Outside Linebacker
#18 Mike Wheeler 6'3 220 JR: 11GS 11GP DEF: 28tkl 4tfl 1.5sks 3qbh 1fr 1ff
#33 Gowan Baldwin 6'3 240 JR: 0GS 11GP DEF: 12tkl 2tfl
#35 Gavin Twigg 6'1 215 FR: 0GS 11GP DEF: 3tkl
#46 Josh Baker 6'3 220 FR: Redshirt
#89 Cade Bishop 6-1 225 FR: Redshirt
2018 Spring Depth Chart
1. #18 Mike Wheeler SR.
2. #33 Gowan Baldwin SR. or #35 Gavin Twigg SO.
3. #46 Josh Baker RSFR. or #89 Cade Bishop RSFR.
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Davidson has hired it's new coach. Scott Abell from Washington and Lee. He's an option guy so the Crusaders will now need to prepare for two option offenses in the PFL with Jacksonville being the other.
Speaking of Davidson, anyone know which of Davidson or San Diego Valpo gets to play in place of Campbell next season? Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum which will assuredly have an affect on the w/l record.
Quote from: JD24 on January 05, 2018, 09:47:06 PM
Davidson has hired it's new coach. Scott Abell from Washington and Lee. He's an option guy so the Crusaders will now need to prepare for two option offenses in the PFL with Jacksonville being the other.
Speaking of Davidson, anyone know which of Davidson or San Diego Valpo gets to play in place of Campbell next season? Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum which will assuredly have an affect on the w/l record.
I think we get them both. With 10 teams (did we add anybody to replace Campbell?) we will play 8 league games. Over the last 5 years we have played San Diego 4 of them so as we didn't play them last year it will be our turn again. As for Davidson looks like 3 out of 4 so I'm guessing we start that over again next year, although it could be Marist again as it looks like we play them 2 on 2 off and played them last year. Heck, I'm now confused!
I have never been able to sort out the rationale for PFL schedule rotations.
Quote from: vu72 on January 08, 2018, 02:46:47 PMQuote from: JD24 on January 05, 2018, 09:47:06 PMDavidson has hired it's new coach. Scott Abell from Washington and Lee. He's an option guy so the Crusaders will now need to prepare for two option offenses in the PFL with Jacksonville being the other. Speaking of Davidson, anyone know which of Davidson or San Diego Valpo gets to play in place of Campbell next season? Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum which will assuredly have an affect on the w/l record.
I think we get them both. With 10 teams (did we add anybody to replace Campbell?) we will play 8 league games. Over the last 5 years we have played San Diego 4 of them so as we didn't play them last year it will be our turn again. As for Davidson looks like 3 out of 4 so I'm guessing we start that over again next year, although it could be Marist again as it looks like we play them 2 on 2 off and played them last year. Heck, I'm now confused!
I think it's two on two off (essentially home and home). Since Campbell's out and Davidson and SD weren't on the schedule, I anticipate it being one of the two. Which one? Only the shadow knows. ???
It was Presbyterian that was added to the PFL for the 2021 season. Georgetown was contemplating a move to the PFL.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/presbyterian-to-join-pioneer-football-league-in-2021-112017
So PC will play 3 seasons in the Big South and flush out their scholarship players.
The thinking at PC might go along the lines of PFL teams being added in open PC slots in the 18-20 seasons as OOC games as part of the transition. For PFL teams it meets scheduling guidelines that place a premium on facing scholly FCS teams (at least while they still have scholly players) and develops some familiarity with PC for PFL schools and vice versa for PC. Given taht schedules are sometimes booked years in advance I would guess that this approach would be a little catch as catch can.
I would love to welcome Georgetown to the PFL! Maybe that would allow us to get a basketball game scheduled against them at some point :).
Quote from: valpotx on January 09, 2018, 12:12:15 PM
I would love to welcome Georgetown to the PFL! Maybe that would allow us to get a basketball game scheduled against them at some point :).
If you dig into the PFL Fan Forum, [ http://pflfan.proboards.com/board/1/pfl-board ] you'll see some discussion about that. Long story short: Posters characterize G'Town's view of the PFL as being beneath them despite the fact that they are getting their butts kicked in their present affiliation -- the Patriot League. G'Town does not offer the complete number of scholarships (only 20), I believe, and the Patriot has a 60 scholly limit. Even when the PL was non-scholarship, G'Town got their tails handed to them more often than not. Having said all that, the caliber of play they exhibit (decent NEC level) would fit nicely in the PFL and they would be very competitive with the current members (always a tight game with Marist).