Just setting up the place holder. :)
Utah St sits at 4-3 (RPI 196) with no notable wins and losses at #224 Weber St, at #73 Gonzaga, and at #72 Portland St.
I haven't watched a second of their play and know nothing about them. Despite my ignorance or maybe because of it I am expecting a home win. Anybody want to challenge my thinking? ::)
You mean you haven't watched every second of film on Utah State that has ever existed in their history? You need to find a way to break the space time continuum to make an informed decision. I expected better of you man ;)
Valpo 77
Utah State 60
More on the Aggies:
11/10/17 atWeber State Ogden, Utah L, 65-59
11/13/17 vs.Montana State Logan, Utah W, 81-73
11/15/17 vs.Mississippi Valley State Logan, Utah W, 83-47
11/18/17 atGonzaga Spokane, Wash. L, 79-66
11/20/17 atPortland State Portland, Ore. L, 83-79
and these two games in Nashville not called the Music City tournament...
11/24/17 vs.Northeastern Nashville, Tenn. W, 71-67
11/25/17 vs.New Hampshire Nashville, Tenn. W, 77-63
Stats from the UNH game:
Bold Face are Starters
pts PF FG 3FG FT O R T Ast TO Bl Min
00 Isby, Deangelo 16 0 5-14 1-7 5-6 0 7 7 5 1 0 0 26
02 Stall, Klay 2 0 1-4 0-0 0-0 1 2 3 1 1 0 1 10
03 Merrill, Sam g 20 0 7-11 3-7 3-3 0 4 4 1 0 0 1 32
04 Ainge, Crew 0 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
10 Taylor, Quinn 3 2 1-3 0-1 1-2 1 2 3 2 1 0 0 21
11 Dargenton, Alex f 8 3 3-3 0-0 2-3 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 11
23 Henson, Daron 5 3 2-8 0-0 1-1 2 1 3 1 1 0 0 17
24 Brito, Diogo g 12 1 5-6 1-2 1-1 2 2 4 3 2 0 3 27
25 Brown, Dwayne f 7 2 2-6 1-2 2-2 1 3 4 2 1 0 0 19
30 Porter, Abel g 4 2 1-3 1-2 1-2 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 27
Team %: 46,6% FG, 33% 3FG (7-21) and 16-20 from the line
Season Stats:
|---TOTAL---| |---3-PTS---| |----REBOUNDS----|
## Player GP-GS Min--Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
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03 Merrill, Sam....... 7-7 238 34.0 37-73 .507 15-38 .395 16-21 .762 1 21 22 3.1 11 1 25 12 1 6 105 15.0
00 Isby, DeAngelo..... 7-5 163 23.3 26-63 .413 12-30 .400 25-29 .862 4 20 24 3.4 8 0 14 11 0 6 89 12.7
01 McEwen, Koby....... 4-4 100 25.0 16-36 .444 7-19 .368 10-13 .769 1 12 13 3.3 8 0 10 7 0 1 49 12.3
11 Dargenton, Alex.... 7-7 144 20.6 18-35 .514 0-1 .000 26-39 .667 14 14 28 4.0 18 0 5 11 1 5 62 8.9
25 Brown Jr., Dwayne.. 7-7 178 25.4 20-45 .444 5-14 .357 9-12 .750 14 34 48 6.9 17 1 6 15 1 3 54 7.7
22 Miller, Brock...... 5-0 83 16.6 12-26 .462 9-19 .474 1-1 1.000 2 5 7 1.4 12 0 1 6 0 1 34 6.8
24 Brito, Diogo....... 7-2 135 19.3 19-35 .543 4-15 .267 5-12 .417 5 16 21 3.0 7 0 7 10 0 6 47 6.7
10 Taylor, Quinn...... 7-0 122 17.4 12-21 .571 1-3 .333 6-15 .400 10 14 24 3.4 10 0 8 5 0 2 31 4.4
23 Henson, Daron...... 7-0 81 11.6 6-23 .261 4-11 .364 5-9 .556 6 10 16 2.3 8 0 1 5 0 1 21 3.0
30 Porter, Abel....... 7-3 84 12.0 4-10 .400 2-5 .400 4-9 .444 0 5 5 0.7 13 0 7 5 1 4 14 2.0
02 Stall, Klay........ 6-0 39 6.5 4-7 .571 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 2 10 12 2.0 6 0 2 3 2 1 8 1.3
04 Ainge, Crew........ 5-0 33 6.6 1-5 .200 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 2 2 4 0.8 4 0 1 3 0 1 2 0.4
TEAM............... 6 20 26 3.7 0 2 0
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Total.............. 7 1400 175-379 .462 59-158 .373 107-160 .669 67 183 250 35.7 122 2 87 95 6 37 516 73.7
Opponents.......... 7 1400 165-390 .423 54-153 .353 93-124 .750 61 167 228 32.6 151 - 95 95 19 51 477 68.1
Full Roster
0 DeAngelo Isby 6-5 200 Guard JR Chicago, Ill./Hillcrest HS
1 Koby McEwen 6-4 200 Guard SO Toronto, Canada
2 Klay Stall 6-10 240 Center RS FR Chandler, Ariz
3 Sam Merrill 6-5 210 Guard SO Bountiful, Utah
4 Crew Ainge 5-11 180 Guard FR Wellesley, Mass
5 Julion Pearre 6-3 205 Guard SR McKinney, Texas
10 Quinn Taylor 6-8 240 Forward JR Houston, Texas
11 Alex Dargenton 6-8 205 Forward SR Fort-de-France, Martinique
12 Justin Bean 6-7 210 Forward FR Moore, Okla.
13 Taylor Larson 6-4 210 Guard SO Highland, Utah
15 Norbert Janicek 6-11 250 Center JR Drazkovce, Slovakia
22 Brock Miller 6-6 200 Guard FR Sandy, Utah
23 Daron Henson 6-7 205 Forward RS FR Pasadena, Calif
24 Diogo Brito 6-5 205 Guard SO Povoa de Varzim, Portugal
25 Dwayne Brown Jr. 6-6 220 Forward JR Conyers, Ga
30 Abel Porter 6-3 195 Guard RS FR Farmington, Utah
Their two big guys: one played 10 minutes with 2 points; the other didn't play.
Once again, we will have a height advantage.
In their loss to Portland State, both Merrill and Brown fouled out, and Porter, Taylor Miller and Brito all finished with 4 fouls and they committed 21 turnovers.
Notes from their game with UNH...
•Following the game with New Hampshire, Utah State has now played teams from 48 of the 50 states, including the District of Columbia. The Aggies have yet to face teams from Maine and West Virginia.
•Utah State led 39-25 at the half, its largest lead at the intermission this season and only its second halftime lead this year. USU is 28-6 all-time under head coach Tim Duryea when leading at the half.
•With the win, Utah State is now 1-0 against New Hampshire and 225-110 against first-time opponents in program history.
•With the win, Utah State is now 109-39 all-time in regular season tournaments, including an overall mark of 55-37 in tournaments outside of Logan.
•Utah State shot a season-high 80.0 percent (16-of-20) at the free throw line.
•Utah State outscored New Hampshire 32-20 in the paint and has outscored six of its seven opponents in the paint this season.
•Utah State had three players score in double figures and has had at least three players score in double figures in the same game in all but one contest this season.
•Utah State is 32-8 all-time under head coach Tim Duryea when scoring 70 or more points in a game.
•Utah State held New Hampshire to 63 total points and is 22-6 all-time under head coach Tim Duryea when holding the opposition to less than 69 points.
•With the win, Utah State is now 26-8 all-time under head coach Tim Duryea when the Aggies log 15 or more assists in a game. USU finished the game with 16 assists.
Individual Notes
•Sophomore guard Sam Merrill scored in double figures for the fifth consecutive game, finishing with 20 points, his second 20-plus point game this season and third of his career. The performance marked the 19th game in his career with double-figure points. Merrill also tied his season high with four rebounds during the contest.
•Junior guard DeAngelo Isby scored in double figures for the sixth time in seven games, finishing with 16 points. Isby also logged a career-high seven rebounds, the second time this year he has pulled down five or more rebounds in a game, and a career-high five assists during the game.
•Sophomore guard Diogo Brito scored in double figures for the third time in four games, finishing with 12 points. Brito also recorded a career-high-tying three steals.
•Redshirt freshman center Klay Stall recorded his first career steal, playing in a career-high 10 minutes.
•Redshirt freshman forward Daron Henson played in a career-high-tying 17 minutes
•Redshirt freshman guard Abel Porter played in a career-high 27 minutes.
Quote from: talksalot on November 26, 2017, 09:07:06 PM
•Following the game with New Hampshire, Utah State has now played teams from 48 of the 50 states, including the District of Columbia. The Aggies have yet to face teams from Maine and West Virginia.
When referring to states, you probably shouldn't include the District of Columbia. :twocents:
I didn't see a thread created for the Valpo game yet on the USU forum but I saw a few USU fans talk about the Valpo matchup on twitter.
https://twitter.com/TheGrandDanny/status/934547587239047168
https://twitter.com/LCRasmus/status/934551971985465344
https://twitter.com/LCRasmus/status/934552238642495488
https://twitter.com/TheGrandDanny/status/934553186282565633
https://twitter.com/TheGrandDanny/status/934553654991896576
He must not watch a lot of CBB...
https://twitter.com/trevwell/status/934547918786240513
Quote from: talksalot on November 26, 2017, 09:07:06 PMMore on the Aggies:
They might have a deeper bench than some. Merrill getting 34 MPG eats up a lot of minutes, but they seem to get 10 guys legitimate minutes, and two others have had 10 minutes on at least one occasion.
I don't know if anybody in the country has 12 guys _averaging_ more than 10 MPG per game like we do (the suspensions help with that), or a leader with as few as Tevonn's 26.1 MPG.
Looking forward to watching this team develop over the next 6 OOC games, then the first year of MVC games.
Valpo 78
Utah St 63
I'm not too thrilled when it takes 30 points from our point guard to win. Hopefully the friendly confines of the ARC will spur some good shooting by the guys who were quiet in Savannah!
Speaking of friendly confines, the students are back so I hope we get a real good turnout from them as well as our usual fan base for this 7-0 team.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:15 PM
Speaking of friendly confines, the students are back so I hope we get a real good turnout from them as well as our usual fan base for this 7-0 team.
I hate to say it, but it is a very busy week, academically, on campus! Just back from a week/nine days off for Thanksgiving. This is the last week for mid-term exams. And just these two weeks of classes left before finals.
Back in my day, going to a basketball game and a trip to Duffy's afterwards usually improved my mid-term performance.
Quote from: agibson on November 27, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:15 PM
Speaking of friendly confines, the students are back so I hope we get a real good turnout from them as well as our usual fan base for this 7-0 team.
I hate to say it, but it is a very busy week, academically, on campus! Just back from a week/nine days off for Thanksgiving. This is the last week for mid-term exams. And just these two weeks of classes left before finals.
Mid-term exams after Thanksgiving?
If students don't go to a game like this, I would suggest that the athletic department might want to ask why they don't go to the game. We all have our theories, but the truth may be something totally different.
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 27, 2017, 02:29:03 PMMid-term exams after Thanksgiving?
Mid-term in the sense of "third exam in a course that's going to give three exams and a final". It's a little late, but it may be better than cramming more into the week before Thanksgiving.
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 27, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 27, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:15 PM
Speaking of friendly confines, the students are back so I hope we get a real good turnout from them as well as our usual fan base for this 7-0 team.
I hate to say it, but it is a very busy week, academically, on campus! Just back from a week/nine days off for Thanksgiving. This is the last week for mid-term exams. And just these two weeks of classes left before finals.
Mid-term exams after Thanksgiving?
If students don't go to a game like this, I would suggest that the athletic department might want to ask why they don't go to the game. We all have our theories, but the truth may be something totally different.
Other quality universities have "midterms" but never seem to lack students at their games. I grow tired of excuses for absence of student support, especially when offered in advance of the game.
Quote from: valpopal on November 27, 2017, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 27, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 27, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:15 PM
Speaking of friendly confines, the students are back so I hope we get a real good turnout from them as well as our usual fan base for this 7-0 team.
I hate to say it, but it is a very busy week, academically, on campus! Just back from a week/nine days off for Thanksgiving. This is the last week for mid-term exams. And just these two weeks of classes left before finals.
Mid-term exams after Thanksgiving?
If students don't go to a game like this, I would suggest that the athletic department might want to ask why they don't go to the game. We all have our theories, but the truth may be something totally different.
Other quality universities have "midterms" but never seem to lack students at their games. I grow tired of excuses for absence of student support, especially when offered in advance of the game.
Like Loyola?
Aw, c'mon. Be nice. ::)
Yeah, I am still ticked about the first MVC selection, cuz we "coudah been a contendah" right out of the blocks but that's not LUC's problem — that's a MVC skeleton in the closet.
Quote from: VUOR63 on November 27, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
Back in my day, going to a basketball game and a trip to Duffy's afterwards usually improved my mid-term performance.
You spelled always* wrong
The spread: Valpo -7.5
Quote from: agibson on November 27, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:15 PM
Speaking of friendly confines, the students are back so I hope we get a real good turnout from them as well as our usual fan base for this 7-0 team.
I hate to say it, but it is a very busy week, academically, on campus! Just back from a week/nine days off for Thanksgiving. This is the last week for mid-term exams. And just these two weeks of classes left before finals.
I remember this week not to long ago. Brutal next couple weeks for students. It always felt like all my professors would crammed everything for during the last couple weeks. But it also could have been the fact that I while I was on break I would never pick up my textbooks again till that last weekend ::).
These kids will miss being able to go to all basketball games. Enjoy it while you have the opportunity because you'll miss it when you're an alum.
Fingers crossed we have a good student turnout. It's the last home game for a while and it should be a good one. Next home game after this one is on NEW YEARS EVE DAY 12/31!
Long road trip coming to an end for Aggies
By Shawn Harrison sports editor
"When any team that has a defensive field goal percentage (34.6) like they do, as well as defends the 3-point line (24.5 percent) and rebounds (+11 per game), that gets your attention," Duryea said. "They are a very good team. They play a fast, up tempo style which is how they score. They also have a 7-footer on the floor all the time."
https://news.hjnews.com/logan_hj/long-road-trip-coming-to-an-end-for-aggies/article_0dd62764-be8c-5482-864d-80afd8f04f4e.html
Junior college transfer Markus Golder beginning to take flight for Valparaiso
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-markus-golder-st-1128-20171127-story.html
Going to a basketball game for a 2-3 hour period should be a nice respite from exams. I never struggled to get all homework and studying completed, while attending basketball games and many baseball practices each week during the Fall. These excuses are ridiculous...
Here is the Lottich/Ickow look back at the Savannah Invitational and the preview of Utah State:
[tweet]935303426107494400[/tweet]
High praise from the Utah State play-by-play man.
https://twitter.com/scottyg1280/status/935579322286567429
Looks like there is new padding around the hoop.
https://twitter.com/happeninghoops/status/935629618773667840
The student broadcast said it's a lighter crowd tonight...
Can we get some crisp passes... jeez we need to cut down on these turnovers. They are all due to lack of focus.
Linssen is an OCTOPUS!
A terrible 1st half for Bradford. Bad passes and dumb fouls.
This game shouldn't as close at is. 34-31 Valpo up.
Bad 1st half for Valpo (a few good moments) but credit Utah State for hitting their 3s. We need to defend the 3 point line better get those long rebounds to prevent 2nd chance points.
We're letting them hang around.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 28, 2017, 07:48:15 PM
A terrible 1st half for Bradford. Bad passes and dumb fouls.
Lots of bad passing today and I'm still scratching my head about Hazen. We've been winning with him still trying to find himself, but he'd better get over the hump soon.
So many dumb mistakes. This shouldn't be this close
Anyone else's ESPN3 buffering constantly? This is maddening. Never happened before.
1. Walker is one of the 5 best players in the league. Without Question.
2. Burton seems lazy on both offense and defense? Lazy or hurt?
3. We are playing really bad IMO. Really sloppy.
This is the most frustrating 8-0 team I've ever rooted for.
A win is a win, but lots to work on and too many mistakes
Solid win over a Mountain West opponent tonight. Made the plays when it mattered. Great games from Tevonn and Jaume, clutch game-salting FTs from Evelyn. I agree that we missed some opportunities to put the game away, but you had told me an 8-0 start with all the new players, man, I'd be happy. This team is deep with talent.
Let's go get Purdue.
Typical slow start. Not so typical quick finish. Worry about teams that can shoot the three and get back in a game toward the end.
Where did Linnsen go? I liked his attitude in the first half. He plays with intensity.
winning with Hard work!!! :)
Well what did I enjoy tonight? I enjoyed that we won. I appreciated the play of Walker and Sorolla (and Marty!). Otherwise I think a week of practice with coach Lottich will be very much needed for our guys.
We all conceded to growing pains this year, I for one, am glad we can experience those pains and continue to win games. No moral victories for us thus far, only the real ones!
Valpo and Duke at 8-0, not too shabby for my Alma Maters ;D.
Still can't get over the ref who called a foul on Golder's clean block, and then T'd him up.
Quote from: a3uge on November 28, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
Still can't get over the ref who called a foul on Golder's clean block, and then T'd him up.
That was a brutal call, dude!
Starting to see shades of 2016 Vashil in Sorolla's defense!
Otherwise, we've got to clean up the turnovers and defensive rebounding as a team. A win with room to improve.
Before each of the last few games I have said - "this will be a tester for them" and then they pull out a win....
Way to go team!!!
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Also a terrible beat on a missed free throw for the betting community! ::) Spread was Valpo by 7.5. Those folks sure do tweet alot!
Quote from: Valpower on November 28, 2017, 08:56:21 PM
This is the most frustrating 8-0 team I've ever rooted for.
100% agree, well said.
I almost never give the other team credit (not in my nature), but I do have to say for a team with less size, bulk and depth, they matched blow for blow and played with amazing intensity right to the final gun. To their credit we were never able to impose our will late in the game like some of our other opponents. That said, any team that jacks up 33 3's in 40 minutes at the D-1 level never deserves to win that game.
Good win, in spite of some difficulties. Great to see Sorolla coming to life, getting back to his first half of last season form. Glad that I am an eternal optimist with Valpo, and chose the 8-0 on the poll!
Good win!
We need to get better in our 3 pt shooting if we are to win on the road in the MVC.
I figure we must be doing something right... John Higgins and Eric Curry were two of the officials working the game tonight. I don't know how many final 4s they have worked... but those two guys generally get to pick the games they want to work...
BTW, our NolanRPI is at 52, and the SOS is 217.
It was a see-saw game for the first 15 minutes... and then this happened with the score tied at 25...
05:14 25-26 BRADFORD,MICAH made free throw
and we never trailed after that.... his only point of the game.
Quote from: a3uge on November 28, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
Still can't get over the ref who called a foul on Golder's clean block, and then T'd him up.
That ref kept an eagle eye on Golder from the time of the foul until he t'd him up. Of course Golder was upset, and was "jawing" (but not directly at the ref) , giving the ref his "justification" for the T. I guess he didn't like being called out for making a lousey call.
Any win is a good win but this was not a great performance from us. Too many mistakes that we can't get away with against teams like Purdue, Northwestern and Ball State.
I grade this performance as a C+/B-. If Tevonn and Sorolla didn't have big nights we'd lose this game. Lazy & terrible passes at times tonight. Overall strong defense but the offense struggled all night to find its rhythm. If we played this way against Purdue we'd get run out of the gym. We need more focus.
I'm happy we're 8-0 but we are better then what we showed tonight.
I am glad we are winning without Burton but his limited contributions are now starting to worry me. Is he saving his best for the Boilermakers?
Golder has certainly got the fire but sooner or later it will earn him an ejection. I hope it doesn't happen in the next 3 games.
Will more than 10 play at Purdue?
I was on a long conference call tonight and only could watch the "live stats" during the game.
It was pretty brutal watching all the "missed 3 pointer" messages. The number jumped off the screen for Tevonn and Sorolla.
The low number popped out for Burton and Smits. I suspect Burton is hurt because he has been used so sparingly. He turned it on a couple times late in the game, but I'm puzzled. What happened to Smits? Low minutes tonight.
How many students in the student section? Missed seeing that too.
Smits's lack of minutes were in conjunction with how well Sorolla played. Tough to take Sorolla out when he's completely controlling the paint on both sides of the court.
Love this kid. I've never seen someone become a fan favorite so quickly.
https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/935714102168743936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-jF6QAiuic
Quote from: VUCPB alum on November 26, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
You mean you haven't watched every second of film on Utah State that has ever existed in their history? You need to find a way to break the space time continuum to make an informed decision. I expected better of you man ;)
He's having trouble staying awake in class lately. Blame on my boring posts.
A win is a win but...Where is Joe Burton? He has disappeared of late. Too many guys just not showing up. Hazen? Bradford? The three went off for a combined 3 points, 5 turnovers and 5 personal fouls. :crazy: ??? :(
Quote from: vu72 on November 29, 2017, 06:48:57 AM
A win is a win but...Where is Joe Burton? He has disappeared of late. Too many guys just not showing up. Hazen? Bradford? The three went off for a combined 3 points, 5 turnovers and 5 personal fouls. :crazy: ??? :(
The positive about being a deep team is you don't have to worry about that because there are others capable of stepping up. The negative about being a deep team is if a player doesn't have a good start to his game, his minutes are likely going down and his chance to find a rhythm is gone. If someone is out playing you for the night, you aren't going to see the court very often. Plain and simple.
What is the root cause of the inconsistency for several of our players?
Is it a talent thing or is it because we are playing 12 guys and several guys need more playing time to get into a rhythm?
My biggest complaint on Burton is effort. He seems to not be playing very aggressively at all, especially on his cuts off the ball to get open. Gotta work hard to get open. He was touted as more than just a spot up shooter, correct?
Kiser is simply out working him right now.
We will need to shoot better from 3 point.
Last night, Tevon was the only one to hit from 3 point. We shot 15% :'(
Against UNC Wilmington we shot well at 40% from 3 point. However, we only attempted 12 3's and it was only 12% at halftime.
Against Kent St. we shot 20% :'(
Must get better at 3 in order to spread the court and open driving lanes for our athletes. Also more post room for our 7 footers.
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
Quote from: valpolaw on November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
He was THE scorer on a terrible team. He also was playing out of position at the 5 as I recall as he was also the tallest kid.
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 28, 2017, 10:50:37 PMHow many students in the student section? Missed seeing that too.
Pretty good not great. Half to two-thirds full? Overall crowd was a little lighter than we've seen at some points in the season, but respectable.
The amount of energy and noise in the room was immediately noticeable... compared to Savannah. It wasn't just my family and the Ragland family making noise! But, I did hear one of the Ragland girls from clear up in EE. "Defense, Valpo, defense!"
I was pleased with the student section turn out. There was a lot of concern they would all be studying for finals but they were pretty engaged. It was also nice that it appeared the whole basketball team from Hillcrest Ill came out to see one of their own playing for Utah.
Quote from: agibson on November 29, 2017, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 28, 2017, 10:50:37 PMHow many students in the student section? Missed seeing that too.
Pretty good not great. Half to two-thirds full? Overall crowd was a little lighter than we've seen at some points in the season, but respectable.
The amount of energy and noise in the room was immediately noticeable... compared to Savannah. It wasn't just my family and the Ragland family making noise! But, I did hear one of the Ragland girls from clear up in EE. "Defense, Valpo, defense!"
Solid turnout especially for finals coming up. It kind of makes me sad looking at the student section the last few years. I honestly don't know what happened. Valpo Admissions is getting the intellectual types but we need to start admitting the intellectual types that like basketball. I'm not too far removed from my college days and I remember the students section being more crazy. Literally 2 years ago the swim team was showing up in speedos to games. The student section needs a little bit more of that. V-Rex is always mr. reliable and a we have an outstanding group of hardcore students that get to every home but there can could be more. I don't want to be a downer after a good crowd especially for a coming up on Finals weak but if I were in the Athletics Department I'd be taking a deep look at why the student section has been shrinking in recent years.
But I want to give credit to the @happeninghoops crew who have been handling the social media on the @Valparaizone twitter account. They've been very active and I do think they're efforts have made a difference this season. I know they've been trying to rejuvenate the student section.
I think it's just a "student/fan culture" that needs to be built and sustained from year to year. When I went to school it was fun because the student section was more packed. The band was going strong. Maybe it's easy to lose that or maybe its cyclical with certain classes. I'd honestly try and reach out to one of the marketing classes in the business school and make this a fun class project or something.
Also the incoming student need to be indoctrinated at the beginning of every year to the Valpo Basketball fanbase. Bring them down to the ARC and teach them the cheers. Introduce them to the basketball team and coaches.
VU2014 - I agree with the sentiment and many thoughts in your post. I think having marketing classes do a project regarding how to get greater attendance and enthusiasm is a great idea, and might yield important insights that many (including al of us on this site) might not consider.
I do have to ask, though, what admissions methodology you would apply to find new students who are intellectual types that like basketball? (smile)
Quote from: VU2014 on November 29, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
[ V-Rex is always mr. reliable
Was Bat Cow in attendance?
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 29, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 29, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
[ V-Rex is always mr. reliable
Was Bat Cow in attendance?
I didn't see Batcow but definitely saw V-Rex.
https://twitter.com/RyCunn/status/935707620345868288
https://twitter.com/jamesedharper/status/935692141506039808
Golder's "T" was definitely soft. Have seen guys get away with a lot more after an obvious blown call like that. That said, he probably has to rein it in for a while, just to avoid getting an undeserved rep.
I understood his frustration, though - fouls were 10-3 in favor of USU at the time, with two completely different standards of contact on each end for the 2nd half until this point. I'm sure the fact that Markus had just been knocked to the floor on a drive on the other end with no call led to his reaction, too.
Quote from: vu72 on November 29, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: valpolaw on November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
He was THE scorer on a terrible team. He also was playing out of position at the 5 as I recall as he was also the tallest kid.
As a Junior on a good team with his brother Brachen, Parker averaged 15.8 PPG and 6.6 RPG. Last year with a new coach and being the only returning starter playing the 5 (defenses collapsed on him) he had a rough go of it to start the season and improved as it went on, ending the season averaging 16.29 PPG and 7.3 RPG. I still expect Parker to contribute more as the season goes on and he gains more confidence.
Quote from: FWalum on November 29, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 29, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: valpolaw on November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
He was THE scorer on a terrible team. He also was playing out of position at the 5 as I recall as he was also the tallest kid.
As a Junior on a good team with his brother Brachen, Parker averaged 15.8 PPG and 6.6 RPG. Last year with a new coach and being the only returning starter playing the 5 (defenses collapsed on him) he had a rough go of it to start the season and improved as it went on, ending the season averaging 16.29 PPG and 7.3 RPG. I still expect Parker to contribute more as the season goes on and he gains more confidence.
He is obviously practicing well, as he continues to start.
Postgame quotes from USU coach:
http://www.utahstateaggies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112817aab.html
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on November 29, 2017, 02:56:09 PMGolder's "T" was definitely soft. Have seen guys get away with a lot more after an obvious blown call like that.
Not a blown call. Don't watch the hand on the replay... watch the body contact... Matt Lottich was standing right in front of the scorers table yelling "Marcus... you fouled him"...
Valpo shot 2-13 from 3, committed some bonehead turnovers down the stretch, missed some insanely easy rebounds, had a technical foul in the 2nd half, and still won by 7, and really, the game wasn't in doubt in the final 10 minutes (win probability stayed above 75%). It's amazing how much expectations have shifted since the start of the year. We're sitting at 8-0, the average MOV is 25.3, and there's been 2 games in single digits (and those ended up wins by 3 possessions).
I think I'm more encouraged by them winning after played pretty bad basketball last night. It's critical Valpo avoids bad losses in their OOC portion. Every year Valpo has had one of those gut punch losses, like Ball State in the NIT year, Missouri the year before that, and Santa Clara last year. If Valpo can avoid the bad losses, they'll be in great shape come seeding time, and that'll really help attract better opponents in the future looking for RPI boosts.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 29, 2017, 12:45:16 PMQuote from: agibson on November 29, 2017, 11:33:27 AMQuote from: crusadermoe on November 28, 2017, 10:50:37 PMHow many students in the student section? Missed seeing that too.
Pretty good not great. Half to two-thirds full? Overall crowd was a little lighter than we've seen at some points in the season, but respectable. The amount of energy and noise in the room was immediately noticeable... compared to Savannah. It wasn't just my family and the Ragland family making noise! But, I did hear one of the Ragland girls from clear up in EE. "Defense, Valpo, defense!"
Solid turnout especially for finals coming up. It kind of makes me sad looking at the student section the last few years. I honestly don't know what happened. Valpo Admissions is getting the intellectual types but we need to start admitting the intellectual types that like basketball. I'm not too far removed from my college days and I remember the students section being more crazy. Literally 2 years ago the swim team was showing up in speedos to games. The student section needs a little bit more of that. V-Rex is always mr. reliable and a we have an outstanding group of hardcore students that get to every home but there can could be more. I don't want to be a downer after a good crowd especially for a coming up on Finals weak but if I were in the Athletics Department I'd be taking a deep look at why the student section has been shrinking in recent years. But I want to give credit to the @happeninghoops crew who have been handling the social media on the @Valparaizone twitter account. They've been very active and I do think they're efforts have made a difference this season. I know they've been trying to rejuvenate the student section. I think it's just a "student/fan culture" that needs to be built and sustained from year to year. When I went to school it was fun because the student section was more packed. The band was going strong. Maybe it's easy to lose that or maybe its cyclical with certain classes. I'd honestly try and reach out to one of the marketing classes in the business school and make this a fun class project or something. Also the incoming student need to be indoctrinated at the beginning of every year to the Valpo Basketball fanbase. Bring them down to the ARC and teach them the cheers. Introduce them to the basketball team and coaches.
The band has been over taxed the past few years. The band right now is mostly STEM majors and/or members of Christ college, all of which are very time consuming. On top of that they play for all home volleyball, football, and m and w basketball, along with rehearsals and events like the popcorn parade sprinkled in. Add all of this together you are asking volunteers to commit about the same amount of time as a group of athletes that are receiving scholarships for their time. Midway through football season there is a huge drop out rate among the freshmen because the time commitment coupled with the only reward being a part of the NCAA tournament band (if the team makes it) and they don't see the point of staying. Also they have to sit through women's basketball and, until this season, football too which is pretty much a morale killer
I hadn't thought before of needing to play at the Womens' games and volleyball too. That sounds only fair on the surface. But boy it does double and triple the student time spent. That seems like a very valid point.
I wonder if that is policy at other universities. Does anyone know if that is a Title IX or is self-imposed by Valpo?
Maybe there could be a rotation and get a larger band rather than spreading these kids so thin.
I too didn't realize the Pep Band appeared at so many events. VUCPM, you've struck on a line of thinking that has been brought up before, but your more detailed explanation has added a ton of weight to the arguement that the Pep Band (we gave up on a marching band a long time ago) needs to be underwritten by some sort of student financial aid (or academic credit) and the appointment of a paid band coach/director (aren't the cheerleaders and dancers coached?). It goes without saying (but I will say it anyway) that a really good, creative, energetic and fairly large Pep Band can whip the house into a frenzie. This has got to be a priority initiative in the "fan experience" category for the Athletic Department.
Quote from: FWalum on November 29, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 29, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: valpolaw on November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
He was THE scorer on a terrible team. He also was playing out of position at the 5 as I recall as he was also the tallest kid.
As a Junior on a good team with his brother Brachen, Parker averaged 15.8 PPG and 6.6 RPG. Last year with a new coach and being the only returning starter playing the 5 (defenses collapsed on him) he had a rough go of it to start the season and improved as it went on, ending the season averaging 16.29 PPG and 7.3 RPG. I still expect Parker to contribute more as the season goes on and he gains more confidence.
Parker has made some great moves around the basket. He just doesn't seem to have that finishing touch to get the ball to go down.
Quote from: historyman on November 30, 2017, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: FWalum on November 29, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 29, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: valpolaw on November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
He was THE scorer on a terrible team. He also was playing out of position at the 5 as I recall as he was also the tallest kid.
As a Junior on a good team with his brother Brachen, Parker averaged 15.8 PPG and 6.6 RPG. Last year with a new coach and being the only returning starter playing the 5 (defenses collapsed on him) he had a rough go of it to start the season and improved as it went on, ending the season averaging 16.29 PPG and 7.3 RPG. I still expect Parker to contribute more as the season goes on and he gains more confidence.
Parker has made some great moves around the basket. He just doesn't seem to have that finishing touch to get the ball to go down.
I agree. Once he adds a couple of Jubril herky-jerky ball fakes to his repertoire, the points will come.
Quote from: talksalot on November 29, 2017, 04:55:45 PMNot a blown call. Don't watch the hand on the replay... watch the body contact... Matt Lottich was standing right in front of the scorers table yelling "Marcus... you fouled him"...
Looked to me like an obvious foul. Matt needs to get Marcus under full control or my ejection prediction will come sooner rather than later.
Quote from: wh on November 30, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: historyman on November 30, 2017, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: FWalum on November 29, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 29, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: valpolaw on November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
I agree that it looks like Joe lacks effort at times. Marty is fun to watch and really aggressive. Wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes.
Parker has a total of 106 minutes played through all games according to the stat sheet on the valpo basketball website and only 16 points and 10 turnovers. Certainly hope he changes it around. He looks to have the physical capabilities. I didn't follow him much in high school. Was he a big scorer?
He was THE scorer on a terrible team. He also was playing out of position at the 5 as I recall as he was also the tallest kid.
As a Junior on a good team with his brother Brachen, Parker averaged 15.8 PPG and 6.6 RPG. Last year with a new coach and being the only returning starter playing the 5 (defenses collapsed on him) he had a rough go of it to start the season and improved as it went on, ending the season averaging 16.29 PPG and 7.3 RPG. I still expect Parker to contribute more as the season goes on and he gains more confidence.
Parker has made some great moves around the basket. He just doesn't seem to have that finishing touch to get the ball to go down.
I agree. Once he adds a couple of Jubril herky-jerky ball fakes to his repertoire, the points will come.
It would be nice to see more production from Parker. He sometimes looks frantic when he looks to score. It looks like he also rushes his shot mechanics to my admittedly untrained eyes. He definitely has the physical skills but he needs to let the game come to him. He looks like a freshman out there.
I actually think Parker is quicker and has more bounce then Jubril had but Jubril was more college ready then Parker. Jubril was fundamentals guy and that's why Bryce trusted him so much in his freshman/sophomore years. On 'Union Street Hoops' Paul mentioned that he has seen him drain 3's in practice and shoot around. It's good to hear. You literally see the potential in Parker but he's adjusting to the speed of the college game which is expected.
I could see Coach wanting to keep him confident by leaving him in the Starting lineup, sort of the way he did with Micah Bradford at times last season.
I suspect Columbia City (Hazeen's HS) played competition that wasn't as tough as Jubril's opponents in high school. But I could be wrong.
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 30, 2017, 07:02:28 PM
I suspect Columbia City (Hazeen's HS) played competition that wasn't as tough as Jubril's opponents in high school. But I could be wrong.
You are 100% correct. Indiana is a great basketball state but the Chicago Public League is arguably the most competitive High School basketball in the country.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 30, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 30, 2017, 07:02:28 PM
I suspect Columbia City (Hazeen's HS) played competition that wasn't as tough as Jubril's opponents in high school. But I could be wrong.
You are 100% correct. Indiana is a great basketball state but the Chicago Public League is arguably the most competitive High School basketball in the country.
Jubril was not a CPL guy. He played at Andrew HS in Tinley Park, a southwest suburb of Chicago. Not positive what AAU team he played with.
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Quote from: vufan75 on November 30, 2017, 08:29:39 PM
Not positive what AAU team he played with.
He played for Meanstreets
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on November 29, 2017, 02:56:09 PM
Golder's "T" was definitely soft. Have seen guys get away with a lot more after an obvious blown call like that. That said, he probably has to rein it in for a while, just to avoid getting an undeserved rep.
I understood his frustration, though - fouls were 10-3 in favor of USU at the time, with two completely different standards of contact on each end for the 2nd half until this point. I'm sure the fact that Markus had just been knocked to the floor on a drive on the other end with no call led to his reaction, too.
Maybe Golder has been a hot head since grade school and for him to change could be difficult. Maybe the reason he feels so much love from his coaches, teammates and Valpo staff is because he never experienced that before and it will take him a while to curb his old ways and become a much better team player who doesn't get incensed by the refs and will learn how to keep a cooler head over time.