This program needs a win. I don't care if it's an ugly win, we just need a win.
According to Paul we haven't lost to Indiana State at home since 1977 when one Larry Bird came to town. I don't see a Bird on that roster.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/958012508589252608
DEFEND THE ARC!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXC-jJhFaUI
https://twitter.com/ToddIckow/status/958059074888839168
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/958025860191326209
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/958024244423745536
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/958025475011629056
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/958025132043272192
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/958011299329466368
https://soundcloud.com/mvcsports/matt-lottich-valpo
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/958065754204770305
Indiana State Teleconference: https://soundcloud.com/mvcsports/greg-lansing-indiana-state-6
This might be the last time we are favored. I'll take Valpo 66-62 winners.
Indiana State 68
Valpo 63
Flourish at the end knocks down 16 point Sycamore lead to a 5 point loss at the end.
Just win, baby!
Valpo 75
Ind St 68
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Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2018, 07:22:12 PMFlourish at the end knocks down 16 point Sycamore lead to a 5 point loss at the end.
I am beginning to view our late-game 5 guard press with some cynicism and that makes me uncomfortable. So far it has only managed to narrow the margin of loss in garbage time, near blow out games. Is this an approach we will seriously employ in future years? If not why are we using it now?
I don't need lopsided losses to look closer than they are, and I hope Matt doesn't either.
Quote from: covufan on January 29, 2018, 09:53:18 PM
Just win
Where have I read this saying before? It reminds one of a certain signature.
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Kenpom has Valpo by 1. I think Valpo wins if they slowed down Scott and Barnes ... if those two get going, it could be a struggle. I'll say Valpo by 3.
The Indiana State game thread: https://www.sycamorepride.com/showthread.php?39292-January-31-2018-Indiana-State-(10-12)-vs-Valparaiso-(11-12)
We've reached doormat status in other MVC fan-bases eyes. Tough season.
QuoteToday, 10:51 AM #11
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Must win if we are going to stay out of Thursday.
It's not necessarily a must win because we need to move to 6-5, but it's a must win because it's Valpo. We've gone long enough in the conference schedule for it to be clear that Valpo is the doormat of the conference this year. They'll most likely end with only 4 wins or so, and we absolutely can't afford to be one of those 4 if we expect to keep pace with the rest of the teams around us. The upper-half teams aren't losing to Valpo and we can't either.
Meh, reading ml2's post maybe it was on another thread made me feel marginally better. Somebody has to be in last place, as long as it doesn't last long I'm good.
I don't think we'll be a "doormat" for long but it's still is just frustrating to see how this season turned after losing Joe and after Tevonn got sick.
I'm optimistic about the future.
https://twitter.com/tribstarsports/status/958434914512248832
First go-around in MVC has been tough for Valpo
ISU visits Crusaders on Wednesday
By Todd Aaron Golden Tribune-Star
1 hr ago
http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_college_sports/isu_sports/first-go-around-in-mvc-has-been-tough-for-valpo/article_0fb545f3-dc2d-58a0-97f9-1c2b6edb4492.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/958491077434134530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZCIuPkzcJ8&feature=youtu.be
This is the first interview where the reality is sinking in--we don't have the fire power to win--at this point. That the loss of Joe Burton was a huge loss and that we are asking skills and performances from people who at this point just aren't ready.
I really liked the guarded expression of the truth. We should hope for our young players to continue to grow and learn and that this "baptism of fire" will produce great things in the future.
This "Valpo Basketball Preview" was my favorite by far. Credit to Todd for asking the right questions and to Coach for being candid. This was the first one where I thought he really opened up and being blatantly honest about the teams struggles and the transition from the HL to the MVC. Oddly enough it made me feel better about our future.
Lottich basically just admitted we can't win games because we suck at 3 point shooting.
Fazekas will help, but can not and will not be the sole answer. We either need to find another 3 point shooter with our remaining scholarship or our existing guys are all going to have to get a lot better at shooting from the outside.
The key to this league is strong defense, hit the 3 ball well and rebounding. We need to start recruiting athletes that are strong shooters.
Perhaps a future discussion.
Do we have a history of players getting significantly better at shooting 3's through the course of their career? Steady increases in percentage from year to year? Perhaps a big jump after one season and then steady after that?
Just curious if we can count on our current young guys developing into 3 point shooters or if we need to find more of them.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 30, 2018, 09:20:06 PM
Perhaps a future discussion.
Do we have a history of players getting significantly better at shooting 3's through the course of their career? Steady increases in percentage from year to year? Perhaps a big jump after one season and then steady after that?
Just curious if we can count on our current young guys developing into 3 point shooters or if we need to find more of them.
I don't think we will find a history of improving throughout a career but year over year I think the answer is yes. Take Alec Peters for example. He went from 38.3% his freshman year to 46.6% his sophomore year to 44.0% his junior year to 36.3% his senior year. A lot of the decline was based on the type of defense thrown at him.
Much the same could be said of Rowdy who improved from 36.4% his freshman year to 44.8% his sophomore year. Shawn Huff improved from 42.5% his freshman year to 46.9% the next. Now, improvement for these guys could be based on the fact that they were great shooters to begin with. If you look back at a guy like Tevonn, his stats have actually gotten worse as he shot 34.2% his freshman year then 30.4, 29.0 and this year 29.1.
The bottom line I think is that if you are a shooter you can continue to improve but if you aren't, there's not magic by just spending hours in the gym practicing the same bad form. Having said that it reminds me of my golf game! Just beating balls with the same bad form isn't going to get me on the senior tour!
Good luck against the Trees tonight--but I'm hoping you don't start shooting really well till after you leave Carbondale this coming Saturday night.
Quote from: underdawg on January 31, 2018, 12:20:21 PM
Good luck against the Trees tonight--but I'm hoping you don't start shooting really well till after you leave Carbondale this coming Saturday night.
Thanks but I don't think you have much to worry about with this team getting on a shooting hot streak. I think we have it in us for outlier hot shooting nights but not consistent productive shooting nights.
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2018, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 30, 2018, 09:20:06 PM
Perhaps a future discussion.
Do we have a history of players getting significantly better at shooting 3's through the course of their career? Steady increases in percentage from year to year? Perhaps a big jump after one season and then steady after that?
Just curious if we can count on our current young guys developing into 3 point shooters or if we need to find more of them.
I don't think we will find a history of improving throughout a career but year over year I think the answer is yes. Take Alec Peters for example. He went from 38.3% his freshman year to 46.6% his sophomore year to 44.0% his junior year to 36.3% his senior year. A lot of the decline was based on the type of defense thrown at him.
Much the same could be said of Rowdy who improved from 36.4% his freshman year to 44.8% his sophomore year. Shawn Huff improved from 42.5% his freshman year to 46.9% the next. Now, improvement for these guys could be based on the fact that they were great shooters to begin with. If you look back at a guy like Tevonn, his stats have actually gotten worse as he shot 34.2% his freshman year then 30.4, 29.0 and this year 29.1.
The bottom line I think is that if you are a shooter you can continue to improve but if you aren't, there's not magic by just spending hours in the gym practicing the same bad form. Having said that it reminds me of my golf game! Just beating balls with the same bad form isn't going to get me on the senior tour!
I seem to recall that Jake Diebler improved from a poor to a fairly decent three point shooter over the course of his career. I don't have any stats to back that up though. Jabril got to the point he could knock down some threes by his senior year. Don't recall many others.
Dan Oppland and Raitis Grafs seemed to improve quite a bit on their 3 pt shot by their Sr years.
Back to the game at hand. Looking back at the first time we played them we lost by 9 but were within 6 with 48 seconds to go. Tevonn missed 4 3 pointers in the last 1:17. This was back when Parker Hazen was still starting. He played 9 minutes, 0 rebounds, 0 points. Linssen played 18 minutes, 2 points. Derrik only played 7 minutes, 0 points. They shot 55.6% from the 3 and we shot 32.0%. They had 29 FT attempts we had 17.
My point is that our player playing times have changed a lot. We are at home so hopefully less foul discrepancy. I think we have a shot at a win. Valpo 65-63
Valpo 70
Indiana State 65
I'm feeling more optimistic tonight. It just feels like we're due for a win and a better shooting night. I also think this game will get "chippy" at times just like the first game. I don't think these teams like each other.
Does the rivalry get brewing tonight? I wouldn't mind some "bad blood" to get the juices flowing between the fan-bases and players.
The two things that need to be emphasized these last 8 games are preventing offensive rebounds and not allowing easy layups. Neither Derrick or Jay have been good at altering shots at the hoop. Derrick and Jay's rebounding in conference has not been good either (3.3 and 2.5 rpg respectively). Valpo (our bigs especially) have to do a better job cleaning up on the glass defensively and not give these better offensive teams 2nd chance points.
Offensively, it seems like the last 4-5 games, we spend a good 3+ minutes at the beginning of the game so focused on taking 3 point shots, it puts us in a hole from the start. We need to keep feeding Derrick and our guards need to keep driving inside while we are slumping from outside.
Hoping we get the W tonight. #GoValpo
Just win... That's all I've got to say before tipoff... I don't care how you do it I don't care about anything else... Just. Win. This. Game. Please. Go Valpo!!!
Quote from: IndyEIT777 on January 31, 2018, 03:17:58 PMThe two things that need to be emphasized these last 8 games are preventing offensive rebounds and not allowing easy layups. Neither Derrick or Jay have been good at altering shots at the hoop. Derrick and Jay's rebounding in conference has not been good either (3.3 and 2.5 rpg respectively). Valpo (our bigs especially) have to do a better job cleaning up on the glass defensively and not give these better offensive teams 2nd chance points.
I would have to say that the ONE thing that needs to change is rebounding. I am really surprised that very little has been made about our tremendous lack of rebounding. Many times we are playing with an undersized (except for the single 7' player) lineup. On offense we have our bigs 25' feet from the basket setting screens and once we sub out McMillan we have an extremely small lineup on the floor. Rebounding is killing us even worse than the poor shooting.
Quote from: nkvu on January 31, 2018, 12:48:07 PM
I seem to recall that Jake Diebler improved from a poor to a fairly decent three point shooter over the course of his career. I don't have any stats to back that up though. Jabril got to the point he could knock down some threes by his senior year. Don't recall many others.
A couple of posts here cry out for stats! I'm only going to take the time for this one just now.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/28308/jake-diebler
Only 8 attempts freshman year. (3-8). 34.5% soph, 32.1% junior, 37.7% senior. That may be a significant change his senior year (and 57-151 so a half-decent sample size, after 109 and 87 attempts junior and sophomore years), but it's maybe hard to see an overall trend just from those numbers.
Quote from: IndyEIT777 on January 31, 2018, 03:17:58 PM
The two things that need to be emphasized these last 8 games are preventing offensive rebounds and not allowing easy layups. Neither Derrick or Jay have been good at altering shots at the hoop. Derrick and Jay's rebounding in conference has not been good either (3.3 and 2.5 rpg respectively). Valpo (our bigs especially) have to do a better job cleaning up on the glass defensively and not give these better offensive teams 2nd chance points.
Offensively, it seems like the last 4-5 games, we spend a good 3+ minutes at the beginning of the game so focused on taking 3 point shots, it puts us in a hole from the start. We need to keep feeding Derrick and our guards need to keep driving inside while we are slumping from outside.
Hoping we get the W tonight. #GoValpo
BTW, welcome to the forum 777. Maybe your handle will bring us some luck tonight.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 31, 2018, 05:54:21 PMQuote from: IndyEIT777 on January 31, 2018, 03:17:58 PMThe two things that need to be emphasized these last 8 games are preventing offensive rebounds and not allowing easy layups. Neither Derrick or Jay have been good at altering shots at the hoop. Derrick and Jay's rebounding in conference has not been good either (3.3 and 2.5 rpg respectively). Valpo (our bigs especially) have to do a better job cleaning up on the glass defensively and not give these better offensive teams 2nd chance points. Offensively, it seems like the last 4-5 games, we spend a good 3+ minutes at the beginning of the game so focused on taking 3 point shots, it puts us in a hole from the start. We need to keep feeding Derrick and our guards need to keep driving inside while we are slumping from outside. Hoping we get the W tonight. #GoValpo
BTW, welcome to the forum 777. Maybe your handle will bring us some luck tonight.
Thank you, no idea how I haven't joined til now, oh well, better late than never.
Quote from: FWalum on January 31, 2018, 04:25:45 PMQuote from: IndyEIT777 on January 31, 2018, 03:17:58 PMThe two things that need to be emphasized these last 8 games are preventing offensive rebounds and not allowing easy layups. Neither Derrick or Jay have been good at altering shots at the hoop. Derrick and Jay's rebounding in conference has not been good either (3.3 and 2.5 rpg respectively). Valpo (our bigs especially) have to do a better job cleaning up on the glass defensively and not give these better offensive teams 2nd chance points.
I would have to say that the ONE thing that needs to change is rebounding. I am really surprised that very little has been made about our tremendous lack of rebounding. Many times we are playing with an undersized (except for the single 7' player) lineup. On offense we have our bigs 25' feet from the basket setting screens and once we sub out McMillan we have an extremely small lineup on the floor. Rebounding is killing us even worse than the poor shooting.
One of the reasons why I think there have been several easy layups scored by opponents is because our bigs have been playing out by the arc. In turn, I also think that leads to the low rebound production from our 5s. I get that some of these stretch 5s can shoot, but I'd rather have our centers in a better position to box out than softly defending a shooter.
https://twitter.com/ValpoWBB/status/958859964256309249
There is no one here - 5 min.
29 students
Quote from: wh on January 31, 2018, 06:50:39 PM
29 students
You still care about the students? Then go on campus and figure that _______ out, I'm frankly tired of the drama.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 31, 2018, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: wh on January 31, 2018, 06:50:39 PM
29 students
You still care about the students? Then go on campus and figure that _______ out, I'm frankly tired of the drama.
Sorry, that was harsh...forgot to take my pills or something.
Quote from: wh on January 31, 2018, 06:49:16 PM
There is no one here - 5 min.
Quote from: wh on January 31, 2018, 06:50:39 PM
29 students
Wow. That opening shot on ESPN3 was....crazy. The ARC is empty. Tell me again how this program isn't in trouble.
Is the library packed tonight? Bad weather? Where the hell is everyone?
That was a foul on walker?
Linssen strong to the hoop!
9:39 left in the 1st.
Golder will be something special here at Valpo.
Linssen is being victimized by the refs. Most contact on his "fouls" is initiated by the offensive player.
Linssen needs a year on the weights and weekly visits with a dietician.
Fantastic representation by our students, NOT.
A good half but not a strong final 2 minutes for Valpo. This game shouldn't be as close as it is.
Can we lead a coupe against Huseman to take a job elsewhere? He's a bit much...
Bradford's best half in a long time. And he hit a free throw!!!
Maybe that new point guard commitment has provided some additional motivation.
Quote from: nkvu on January 31, 2018, 07:57:34 PM
Bradford's best half in a long time. And he hit a free throw!!!
Quote from: nkvu on January 31, 2018, 07:57:34 PM
Bradford's best half in a long time. And he hit a free throw!!!
Quote from: nkvu on January 31, 2018, 07:57:34 PM
Bradford's best half in a long time. And he hit a free throw!!!
God, if we could shoot just a little bit...
Or finish a drive to the basket...
(https://i.giphy.com/media/29SqSyXlyO6WI/giphy.webp)
But finally, a few key shots, free throws, and DEFENSE wins it!!
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2018, 02:28:25 PM
Back to the game at hand. Looking back at the first time we played them we lost by 9 but were within 6 with 48 seconds to go. Tevonn missed 4 3 pointers in the last 1:17. This was back when Parker Hazen was still starting. He played 9 minutes, 0 rebounds, 0 points. Linssen played 18 minutes, 2 points. Derrik only played 7 minutes, 0 points. They shot 55.6% from the 3 and we shot 32.0%. They had 29 FT attempts we had 17.
My point is that our player playing times have changed a lot. We are at home so hopefully less foul discrepancy. I think we have a shot at a win. Valpo 65-63
pretty close! ;D
strong defense strong defense and hard work ;D there is hope!!!
For all of Micah's struggles, he did well tonight. As a team we had a lot of steals.
And max...he now has more dunks than smits and sorolla
Winning is fun. Let's do that again!
Congrats--state can be tough
Finally nice to see our centers contest some shots tonight. Not thrilled with how many layups and free throws we missed down the stretch, but in a season like this, can't complain too much after a win. Nicely done tonight Valpo, lets ride that momentum to Carbondale!
Good win despite giving up 11 offensive rebounds and getting out rebounded 38-30. Let's get some momentum going by making it 2 in a row!
Quote from: IndyEIT777 on January 31, 2018, 09:27:58 PMlets ride that momentum to Carbondale
Sorry, We're riding Amtrak to Carbondale...for them, momentum can be overrated!
Quote from: underdawg on January 31, 2018, 09:24:06 PM
Congrats--state can be tough
This is team that beat the snot out of IU!!
That felt good. More like that, please.
I'm glad we won buuuuut....
How many dumb dumb passes did our veterans make? We nearly blew 3 (2 horrid Bradford passes and one Walker pass) fast breaks, Max coughed it up or threw it away a few times, and our strategy to foul them down the stretch would've made me pull out my hair except it really wasn't that shocking. I'm happy, mostly, with the defense and the diving on the floor.
Bet the trainers room is going to be busy the next couple of days.
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/958917220033351680
Solid Golder: Key 3-pointer helps Valparaiso end slide, beat Indiana State
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-indiana-state-valparaiso-st-0201-20180131-story.html
Crusaders snap five-game losing streak
Paul Oren Times Correspondent 16 min ago '
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/crusaders-snap-five-game-losing-streak/article_ead81714-fc89-56ae-ab73-769721170077.html
That Golder 3 was the luckiest shot of the night. Flattests shot, better lucky then good once in a while though.
Ladies and gentleman, we may have just witnessed the game that will turn our season around. What you just saw was the kind of tough, grind it out, bring it every possession every night basketball for which this conference is known. This game was nip and tuck the whole way and could have turned at many points much like most MVC games, and we wouldn't let it. Easy buckets were in short supply and both teams worked hard to earn what they got. I think part of the problem we were experiencing this year was adjusting to the physicality and tough defense of the MVC. If tonight was any indication it is that we are learning what it takes to win in this league, how to score in this league (can't live solely on threes\jumpers and can't be afraid of contact especially since the officials are very willing to call fouls) and how to take an opponent's punches and counteract runs. We still need to shoot and rebound better; but if we play like we did tonight, we'll win our share of games and stay competitive in the MVC in future years . We have the right idea: hardworking defense first unselfish identity. Now just wait until the talent gets here. Go Valpo! Very encouraged by what I saw tonight.
Jordan Barnes was fine. Don't try and over sell it...
https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/958926649151688704
I'm reading the Indiana State forum thread right now and they think they got shafted by the officiating this game :crazy: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Clearly they haven't watched any Valpo Basketball games this season... Even if we lost in the final minutes of this game I thought it was a solid game by the officials and we had some ticky tack calls on us with one truly horrendous call on Bakari which was huge during the game because he was clearly our most effective scorer tonight and it put him in foul trouble. Just interesting to read the other side of things: https://www.sycamorepride.com/showthread.php?39292-January-31-2018-Indiana-State-(10-12)-vs-Valparaiso-(11-12)/page4
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2018, 07:22:12 PM
Indiana State 68
Valpo 63
Flourish at the end knocks down 16 point Sycamore lead to a 5 point loss at the end.
Almost got the score right and I was very glad it was flipped to Valpo's favour. Making FTs, Evelyn hitting shots and some of our non-scorers making contributions in the points column made a difference even though we got beat in other stat columns. Great to finally get a win!
Quote from: VU2014 on January 31, 2018, 11:51:27 PMI thought it was a solid game by the officials and we had some ticky tack calls on us with one truly horrendous call on Bakari
I thought the refs were fairly
inconsistent. Sometimes they called ticky tack fouls but other times they didn't and players on both teams got frustrated by their calls. When you notice the refs in a game that generally means they weren't great at the officiating.
From an administrator on the IN State message board:
My thing is I'm fine with however refs want to call it, but you damn well better call it consistently. When a hook is a hook on one end but not the other, that's a problem. I don't feel like Valley officials call it consistently the same on both ends. If they did, I'd have no issues.
Interesting comment on the ISU message board about Indiana basketball:
Good for Valpo - hope your enjoying the Valley. Atleast St. Louis will be an almost All Indiana Thursday night - ya feel me!
Valpo
Eville
IState
Out here showing the world what Indiana basketball is all about.
Overrated. Let that sink in.
I feel that the MVC refs are leaps and bounds better than HL. This is a physical league, in the HL there were far more touch fouls called. Yes Bakari got shafted and so did the ISU guard called for an offensive foul while driving on Smits.
But after watching a decade in the HL, I really like the ref aspect of the conference shift. These guys seem less interested in making a spectacle of themselves and swallow the whistle WAY more!
Ghost calls happen, but so far not in quantity in the MVC.
How about the wrinkle by Lottich to throw in a zone at the very end of the game after playing man the whole game? That's what I'm talking about! Great move! Lucky but nice to come out with a W.
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2018, 04:56:51 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 31, 2018, 11:51:27 PMI thought it was a solid game by the officials and we had some ticky tack calls on us with one truly horrendous call on Bakari
I thought the refs were fairly inconsistent. Sometimes they called ticky tack fouls but other times they didn't and players on both teams got frustrated by their calls. When you notice the refs in a game that generally means they weren't great at the officiating.
From an administrator on the IN State message board:
My thing is I'm fine with however refs want to call it, but you damn well better call it consistently. When a hook is a hook on one end but not the other, that's a problem. I don't feel like Valley officials call it consistently the same on both ends. If they did, I'd have no issues.
Agreed it wasn't the best officiated game but considering what we've seen this season this sadly was probably one of the best officiated games that Valpo has played in and I'm not just saying that because we won the games. Consistency is all you can really ask for and no doubt they weren't consistent all game for both teams.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on February 01, 2018, 07:49:28 AM
How about the wrinkle by Lottich to throw in a zone at the very end of the game after playing man the whole game? That's what I'm talking about! Great move! Lucky but nice to come out with a W.
That was a savvy coaching move! Many have been so hard on Lottich the last few weeks. Need to admit that was a nice last second switch caught Lansing and Indiana State completely off guard.
We sent them to line 3 straight possessions (2 of those were and 1s) with under a minute to play.
agreed, good move to switch it up from man to zone by Matt. :thumbsup: However, I thought he could have subbed in defensive players after our free throws. For example, put Sorolla in for Smits after we shot free throws.
We were out rebounded but we only had 12 turnovers compared to ISU 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQF_u8INI4U&feature=youtu.be
I've been tough on Bakari for only scoring in garbage time. He really played well offensively last night. I try to be critical when warranted but try to praise when warranted as well.
Bakari had a great game but one thing I noticed was Bakari seemed to control his emotions better when the ref made a poor call. It sounds like a little thing but I thought it was a nice sign of maturity. I'd love to see him continue that trend into the future. We need our best players to stay positive when things aren't going our way on the court. Set the tone for the rest of the team.
Quote from: M on February 01, 2018, 09:09:18 AM
We sent them to line 3 straight possessions (2 of those were and 1s) with under a minute to play.
Thank God ISU missed 3 of their front ends of the "and 1"s, huh?
Valpo sure ain't the only team that often shoots poorly from the FT line.
First smiles at the post-game presser we have seen in a LONG time. Congrats to the team!! Just win, baby!! ...Al Davis.
Also, VU72 came down close in his prediction of 65-63. Nice work. Good for you guys in believing.
I will save my rant against the students' attendance for another day. But it will be memorable. Great pride shown by a team that had its back against the wall!
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2018, 04:56:51 AMQuote from: VU2014 on January 31, 2018, 11:51:27 PMI thought it was a solid game by the officials and we had some ticky tack calls on us with one truly horrendous call on Bakari
I thought the refs were fairly inconsistent. Sometimes they called ticky tack fouls but other times they didn't and players on both teams got frustrated by their calls. When you notice the refs in a game that generally means they weren't great at the officiating. From an administrator on the IN State message board: My thing is I'm fine with however refs want to call it, but you damn well better call it consistently. When a hook is a hook on one end but not the other, that's a problem. I don't feel like Valley officials call it consistently the same on both ends. If they did, I'd have no issues.
You know us SIU fans were bemoaning the refs even though we won our game with Drake last night--I tend to think that like all humans, refs occasionally screw up, but on the whole I think is us fans seeing the calls through our partisan lenses that make it seem that they're total screw ups --they're trying to be fair most of the time
While our offense still needs some work, a big positive last night was the shot selection on 3s. This team as constructed is not a very good 3pt shooting team, so we should be very selective in the shots we take. We seem to have about 5-7 3 pt attempts per game where we're jacking up a contested or very deep three. Last night there was only one of those I can remember.
Also another point on Bakari. Keep in mind this is the most game action he's had in a couple of years, and the most talented competition he's faced night in night out in his career. He didn't play much at Neb, sat out last year, and here we are. If he can keep this momentum into next year, I think we'll have a nice foundation for an offense with him, Ryan, and JLF being capable of giving us 35 ppg combined.
Glad to see Valpo grind out a win last night. Bakari played well. I always seem to forget that he's only a sophomore.
Loved the zone defense with 30 seconds left. Clever move.
Expect 6000 plus at Saturday's game in C'dale--for the next 24 hrs they are offering 10 dollar tickets to the end zone Bleachers on line at their website
The thing about Bakari being only a sophomore really made me think.
We've been talking about him now for a year and a half
Hell, we've been talking about Smits as a part of this team for almost 4 years now
And before Bradford came on he was our only real recruit for that time.
makes me wonder how much of that makes it easier to lose track of how much actual playing time as a college DI player these guys have really had. We've been talking about them as potential keys to this team in some cases longer than they've actually played on these teams.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 01, 2018, 09:24:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQF_u8INI4U&feature=youtu.be
What a difference in body language a win makes.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 30, 2018, 09:40:47 AM
Kenpom has Valpo by 1. I think Valpo wins if they slowed down Scott and Barnes ... if those two get going, it could be a struggle. I'll say Valpo by 3.
Barnes got going a bit in the 2nd half, but Scott was very average. Fouls played a part in that, but Valpo defense also did a nice job on Scott. Nice win.
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 01, 2018, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 30, 2018, 09:40:47 AM
Kenpom has Valpo by 1. I think Valpo wins if they slowed down Scott and Barnes ... if those two get going, it could be a struggle. I'll say Valpo by 3.
Barnes got going a bit in the 2nd half, but Scott was very average. Fouls played a part in that, but Valpo defense also did a nice job on Scott. Nice win.
I'm starting to miss the "old" EddieCabot. This new guy imposter is way too nice and hasn't insulted any of us in waaaay over a month.
I'm ecstatic for the win, but we must not kid ourselves. ISU plays poor defense and is a major reason they aren't cream of the crop in the MVC for some time. We got easier looks at the basket because their defense was suspect in both games this year. Back to reality with SIU. They have a rim protector which at the very least should make it difficult for us in Carbondale.
Are you talking about Bol? He's out for the season
I'm I wrong, PIPPEN?
Obviously the 6-10 Pippen is not as good as the red shirted Bol (80 plus blocks last year) but he can do it. He averages about 2 a game--but his presence dissuades people from driving non-the-less
Quote from: underdawg on February 01, 2018, 08:10:59 PM
Obviously the 6-10 Pippen is not as good as the red shirted Bol (80 plus blocks last year) but he can do it. He averages about 2 a game--but his presence dissuades people from driving non-the-less
I thought Pippen was impressive in our game at the ARC. Then I watched the Hinson's postgame press conference, and he said Pippen played soft and our bigs dominated him. I guess that shows how much I know. lol
Quote from: justducky on February 01, 2018, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 01, 2018, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 30, 2018, 09:40:47 AM
Kenpom has Valpo by 1. I think Valpo wins if they slowed down Scott and Barnes ... if those two get going, it could be a struggle. I'll say Valpo by 3.
Barnes got going a bit in the 2nd half, but Scott was very average. Fouls played a part in that, but Valpo defense also did a nice job on Scott. Nice win.
I'm starting to miss the "old" EddieCabot. This new guy imposter is way too nice and hasn't insulted any of us in waaaay over a month.
A month ago was January 1st ... maybe my New Year's Resolution was to play nice with others. ;)
BTW ... I love your posts! Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:
Quote from: wh on February 01, 2018, 08:26:33 PMQuote from: underdawg on February 01, 2018, 08:10:59 PMObviously the 6-10 Pippen is not as good as the red shirted Bol (80 plus blocks last year) but he can do it. He averages about 2 a game--but his presence dissuades people from driving non-the-less
I thought Pippen was impressive in our game at the ARC. Then I watched the Hinson's postgame press conference, and he said Pippen played soft and our bigs dominated him. I guess that shows how much I know. lol
I remember our bigs getting plenty of good easy looks that day but that could have been while Pippen was on the bench; but I also remember that both Smits and Sorolla had fantastic days that game relative to how they had been playing. Some of that damage had to have come with Pippen on the floor.
Quote from: bbtds on February 01, 2018, 04:56:51 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 31, 2018, 11:51:27 PMI thought it was a solid game by the officials and we had some ticky tack calls on us with one truly horrendous call on Bakari
I thought the refs were fairly inconsistent. Sometimes they called ticky tack fouls but other times they didn't and players on both teams got frustrated by their calls. When you notice the refs in a game that generally means they weren't great at the officiating.
From an administrator on the IN State message board:
My thing is I'm fine with however refs want to call it, but you damn well better call it consistently. When a hook is a hook on one end but not the other, that's a problem. I don't feel like Valley officials call it consistently the same on both ends. If they did, I'd have no issues.
Something I've never seen/heard from a referee: There is a guy who sits near the floor, at mid court, who is constantly "on the refs". As one of the refs was passing by him , the guy shouted some "instructions" to him. The ref turned to him, still on the run, and said "shut up", and then even added another comment. I was shocked that a ref would respond to a fan while the game was going on.
BTW, I don't condone what the fan did, either.
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How about the lack of students at the game? Sure there were a few fans in Sections K&L, but it was not a "student section", by any stretch. So sad.