I'll give it a try. Let's kick Evansville's butt in their own place. Dru Smith is injured so that may have an impact on the game. He really hurt us a few weeks ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/Vez8sbX.jpg)
73-69 winners
Based on absolutely no research or statistics I will say that Max Joseph will have himself a 15 point game and lead us to victory.
The Plane to Evansville is here. Came in during the snow last night from Toledo after dropping off the Northern Illinois Basketball team. Don't have a filed flight plan yet... they are in for a heavy snow storm tonight...they are right on the snow/sleet/freezing rain line on the weather map. hopefully just enough to keep the ace-faithful at home...
what have they done in conference this year? They are tied with Missouri State at 5-7
Worst-Non-Conference loss was @ New Mexico #160; Best-Non-Conference Win was at home over Canisius #128. They have no 'bad' losses.
12-23 Illinois St. 12-11 (7-5) 76 66-72 L
12-30 at Loyola Chicago 18-5 (9-3) 51 59-66 L
01-03 at Southern Ill. 15-9 (8-4) 90 63-65 L
01-06 Bradley 16-8 (7-5) 95 68-44 W
01-10 Missouri St. 14-10 (5-7) 117 64-55 W
01-13 at Drake 12-12 (7-5) 148 65-81 L
01-17 Indiana St. 9-13 (6-6) 161 66-71 L
01-20 at Bradley 16-8 (7-5) 95 53-66 L
01-24 at Valparaiso 10-13 (3-9) 188 75-65 W
01-27 Drake 12-12 (7-5) 148 77-73 W
01-31 Northern Iowa 9-13 (3-9) 162 57-49 W
02-03 at Illinois St. 12-11 (7-5) 76 71-75 L
02-07 Valparaiso 10-13 (3-9) 188 74-63 W - Scouting
02-10 at Missouri St. 14-10 (5-7) 117 62-74 L - Scouting
02-13 at Northern Iowa 9-13 (3-9) 162 65-72 L - Scouting
02-18 Loyola Chicago 18-5 (9-3) 51 71-69 W - Scouting
02-21 at Indiana St. 9-13 (6-6) 161 65-71 L - Scouting
02-24 Southern Ill. 15-9 (8-4) 90 77-67 W - Scouting
Home Attendance for the Valley games...
* 12/23/17 ILLINOIS STATE L 66-72 4039 - Saturday
* 1/6/18 BRADLEY W 68-44 4171 - Saturday
* 1/10/18 MISSOURI STATE W 64-55 3237 - Wednesday
* 1/17/18 INDIANA STATE L 66-71 3601 - Wednesday
* 1/27/18 DRAKE W 77-73 4295 - Saturday
* 1/31/18 UNI W 57-49 3352 - Wednesday
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2018, 10:18:03 AM
The Plane to Evansville is here. Came in during the snow last night from Toledo after dropping off the Northern Illinois Basketball team. Don't have a filed flight plan yet... they are in for a heavy snow storm tonight...they are right on the snow/sleet/freezing rain line on the weather map. hopefully just enough to keep the ace-faithful at home...
Did anyone see that there have been over 650 snow/ice-related auto accidents in Missouri since Sunday and that weather is heaed est. I pray for a safe flight south for our boys.
Why aren't we drawing anywhere close to that well? Evansville has only fared slightly better than we have this year and we should have the excitement factor of MVC year one working for us. Very disappointing to be sure.
We need to play a hard 40 minutes. Rebound, Rebound, Rebound.
Valpo 70
E'Ville 67
Evansville destroyed us with their free throw shooting in our last matchup (29-31, 93.5%). Cannot give them that many opportunities or else they will light us up. I know the number of fouls refs have called in conference have varied, but Valpo has to do everything they can on defense to not give the refs easy calls to make. I know that is easier said than done, especially if we get a crew that loves to blow the whistle, but that is the best way for us to beat this team.
Offensively, we missed way too many layups and free throws in our game at SIU. We cannot be leaving easy points on the court like that, especially when we struggle to break 60 points on a nightly basis. That said, I think Valpo has finally woken up and will finally get their first road conference win tomorrow. With the way the season has gone, I know there really isn't any must win games at this point, but I personally don't see us beating Loyola or Drake on the road. I think this is their last good chance at winning on the road this conference season and they need that now to have something to build on in the offseason. #GoValpo
With that fancy, new arena in Evansville, those attendance figures don't impress me. And I think they close off the upper part of the facility.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRG130... landed at 2:12 ...
Quote from: talksalot on February 06, 2018, 05:01:44 PM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRG130... landed at 2:12 ...
Well I would say that the Administration has clearly stepped it up relative to travel budgets. Flying to Evansville? Really glad to see that time away from the classroom is important.
With the Ice Storm they are predicting for that area in the next 24 hours... I'm glad they didn't drive all the way.
Life long UE fan here letting you guys know that the ice storm last night wasn't that bad. The roads down here are fairly clear, and that was at 7 o'clock this morning.
I won't post a lot on here. Might pop in on a game day and wish you guys luck.
Same here. Glad your guys made it down safely. I do find it interesting you flew here. Is that normal? I think we only fly to the Iowa games. I am not sure about Missouri State, I do know they bus here as I ran into their team at a local hotel a couple of years ago.
Unfortunately, with or without bad weather, the attendance will be mediocre at best. Martyball is wearing very thin around here.
Thanks ad. Good to hear. It's time for the Indiana schools to rise up. Illinois has all four of the top MVC rungs.
You guys can start on Saturday, ok?
Hey bartender. Jobu needs a refill!!!
Love that movie.
Quote from: Ad1770 on February 07, 2018, 10:17:41 AM
Hey bartender. Jobu needs a refill!!!
Love that movie.
Does it need to be a live chicken?
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Quote from: E-Villan on February 07, 2018, 09:38:53 AM
Same here. Glad your guys made it down safely. I do find it interesting you flew here. Is that normal? I think we only fly to the Iowa games. I am not sure about Missouri State, I do know they bus here as I ran into their team at a local hotel a couple of years ago.
Unfortunately, with or without bad weather, the attendance will be mediocre at best. Martyball is wearing very thin around here.
Good question. We recently also flew to Southern Illinois and to Missouri State, not sure about other games. Just an hour to Loyola. According to Mapquest it is a five hour drive to Evansville and it could be we flew because it is a mid-week game and need to get the guys back in class asap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jZwauZRt0
Here is just another example of spending more money on the MBB program...another "step up" from the HL to the MVC.
https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/961366247375015936
UE's Ryan Taylor looks to stay hot with Valparaiso coming to town
Pat Hickey, pat.hickey@courierpress.com
Feb. 6, 2018
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/evansville/2018/02/06/ues-ryan-taylor-looks-stay-hot-valparaiso-coming-town/311189002/
Quote from: VU2014 on February 07, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jZwauZRt0
Coach said they're working on free throws in practice lol. That will make some people on this board happy ;D
Also look at Coach's reaction when Todd brings up the officiating :lol:
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/961393161498189824
We're underdogs tonight according to the betting lines even with Dru Smith out for Evansville with injury.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/961395341953204224
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-micah-bradford-st-0207-20180206-story.html
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/961398729961033734
I really think a game like this is a good indicator of whether we're reloading for next season or rebuilding for 19-20.
Ok, I've seen about enough of Kiser and Bradford for tonight.
Walker's was definitely not a charge 😡
Mileek playing LB again, geeeeeesh
Jeez does Lottich need to stand up for his guys.
Quote from: M on February 07, 2018, 07:29:59 PM
Walker's was definitely not a charge 😡
Neither was Bradford's.
I guess it's ok to slide in front of drivers if you're wearing white tonight.
I feel like I've been complaining too much about the officiating lately but holy hell it's been atrocious against Valpo. Is there some kind of bias against the new school in the conference?
Seriously some of these calls are complete garbage.
Baseline ref was going to call a block but let the outside ref overrule him. Frustrating for sure, that's 2-5 points we missed out on.
Officiating has been crap. Walker's offensive foul wasn't even close. The last offensive foul against Bradford, the replay showed the guys feet weren't even on the court. Pretty hard to be stationary when you don't have both feet planted.
Another typical game for Valpo at Evansville. Large foul discrepancy, 12-5, more than double the fouls. Ticky tack fouls called on Valpo. Charges called on Valpo. Taylor gets away with a foul when he blocks Sorolla but nails him with the body. We just hardly ever get the benefit of any calls. Has anyone seen these refs before in our other conference games? It's incredible how this happens game after game in this conference.
Have watched a few other Valley games and one thing seemed constant: Home teams get all the favorable calls. Any one have any stats on foul calls for home teams vs away teams?
I recall us not getting all the favorable calls when we hosted Evansville, something about a getting choked Max Joseph fouling someone with his head.
The head official of this game...
https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/961421371468337154
And Walker picks up his third foul before five minutes in the second half.
Making sure he is a non factor tonight.
I agree we have been hosed at home from the refs but what I'm saying is look at other Valley on Valley games. Home teams rule in certain towns.
With Walker on the bench we have no one that can even slow Taylor down even a little.
So maybe we could try guarding Taylor....
Maybe we could make an in-game adjustment at some point this season, fellas.
This team can't consistently win with our only two upperclassmen playing this badly. Hate to say it, but our offense seems more fluid with Walker and Tevonn on the bench.
Quote from: jloose128 on February 07, 2018, 08:05:08 PM
I recall us not getting all the favorable calls when we hosted Evansville, something about a getting choked Max Joseph fouling someone with his head.
Consider that many of our fouls are hard to miss. We foul like freshmen, hard and uncoordinated. Hard to NOT call many of our fouls.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 07, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
This team can't consistently win with our only two upperclassmen playing this badly. Hate to say it, but our offense seems more fluid with Walker and Tevonn on the bench.
If you have Walker and Tevonn on the bench, you realize that's one person you're replacing with someone probably not playing up to par at the same time, right?
We're in one of our patented scoring droughts the last 5:18... but Eville scoreless the last 3:18
Actually, someone needs to see if VU can patent the five-minute second-half scoring drought. I mean, if we're going to do this night after night, we might as well get royalties off it when other teams copy it, right?
O - 9 from 3 in the second half.
Hard to stay in the game that way.
How do we have an entire team of basketball players who can't shoot?
Quote from: valporun on February 07, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 07, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
This team can't consistently win with our only two upperclassmen playing this badly. Hate to say it, but our offense seems more fluid with Walker and Tevonn on the bench.
If you have Walker and Tevonn on the bench, you realize that's one person you're replacing with someone probably not playing up to par at the same time, right?
Elaborate
Do we know why Hazen doesn't play anymore? Surely he could better than Kiser.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 07, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: valporun on February 07, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 07, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
This team can't consistently win with our only two upperclassmen playing this badly. Hate to say it, but our offense seems more fluid with Walker and Tevonn on the bench.
If you have Walker and Tevonn on the bench, you realize that's one person you're replacing with someone probably not playing up to par at the same time, right?
Elaborate
Tevonn is Walker...Tevonn Walker.
Look, all credit to his heart on this, but yeah, Kiser limping up and down the floor is our best option right now?
And perhaps he is.
That should have been a 4-point play with Golder.
Another missed call that could've led to another point. We are up to 2-6 points the refs straight cost us.
I'm encouraged we've been in more games. Learning to win isn't easy. Once we win a game or two like like this (and it might not happen this year) these guys will get it going.
What the heck was that shot by Evelyn?
This team makes too many mistakes and turns the ball over WAY too much to complain about the refs.
It was unfortunate...he took a bad one earlier too. From hero to zero on that shot.
The team should open up a pastry shop, the specialty would be turnovers...
Competed to the end with a chance to tie but just haven't got anybody who can hit a key shot with the game on the line.
Maybe next year we might win a game or two like that.
But deserved or not it's hard to overcome a 23 to 5 free throw disparity. Either we have to figure out how to cut down on the fouls we commit or we have to sell the plays that could be fouls on the other team better so we can get some calls.
Swept by Evansville. Pathetic.
Quote from: valporun on February 07, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 07, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: valporun on February 07, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 07, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
This team can't consistently win with our only two upperclassmen playing this badly. Hate to say it, but our offense seems more fluid with Walker and Tevonn on the bench.
If you have Walker and Tevonn on the bench, you realize that's one person you're replacing with someone probably not playing up to par at the same time, right?
Elaborate
Tevonn is Walker...Tevonn Walker.
Oh boy! Less tequila, meant Joseph. Sheeesh
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 07, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Look, all credit to his heart on this, but yeah, Kiser limping up and down the floor is our best option right now?
I know you love to complain about Kiser but I don't think you could complain about him too much tonight. Kiser had 8 points which is more than Sorolla, Smits, Walker and Tevonn ;) combined.
We suuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk sooooo baddddddd. I keep watching, but this team is so annoying to watch, when you can't stand teams that don't play with any sort of fundamentals.
Our losses are getting a little easier to watch. Not sure if that means we are playing better or if I am simply getting used to losing. :o
Is anyone keeping track of missed dunks?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 07, 2018, 07:47:25 PM
Jeez does Lottich need to stand up for his guys.
Foul shots 23-5 in favor of Evansville, 18 more in a 4-point game; twice as many fouls called on Valpo 22-11.
Quote from: bbtds on February 07, 2018, 09:05:21 PMI know you love to complain about Kiser but I don't think you could complain about him too much tonight. Kiser had 8 points which is more than Sorolla, Smits, Walker and Tevonn ;) combined.
And he lead the team in rebounds.
Quote from: VUSL98 on February 07, 2018, 09:08:35 PM
Is anyone keeping track of missed dunks?
I don't know, but at least Sorolla got that last one over the front of the rim. (I'm looking really hard for improvement here)
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 07, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
This team makes too many mistakes and turns the ball over WAY too much to complain about the refs.
I think a 7 foul difference in the first half and a 4 foul difference in the second half, 22-11, is something to complain about in a close game no matter how many turnovers you have. Granted the foul difference in the second half was due to fouling at the end of the game to stop the clock.
According to Paul, Valpo opponents in 7 MVC road games have taken 76 more free throws, an average of 10.8 more per game. Yet, just as interesting, Lottich has 0 technical fouls.
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Smits...
They shot 15 times more then ya inside the arc. That's a lot of extra opportunities to get fouled. I'm guessing they also had fewer turnovers, so there go a few more opportunities.
I wish Walker would use screens the way Taylor does (or that we'd set him screens the way they do for Taylor).
Quote from: bbtds on February 07, 2018, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 07, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
This team makes too many mistakes and turns the ball over WAY too much to complain about the refs.
I think a 7 foul difference in the first half and a 4 foul difference in the second half, 22-11, is something to complain about in a close game no matter how many turnovers you have. Granted the foul difference in the second half was due to fouling at the end of the game to stop the clock.
I agree. The primary job of the officials is to make sure each team has the same number of fouls. #fairness
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/961459197216022528
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/961459657276645376
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/961460395964862465
Crusaders can't keep halftime lead in road loss to Evansville
Paul Oren Times Correspondent 39 min ago
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/update-crusaders-can-t-keep-halftime-lead-in-road-loss/article_2bcd478c-8c98-544c-968d-76bb68b24282.html
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/961458346384642048
Down in the Valley: Road woes continue as Valparaiso stumbles at Evansville
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
February 7, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-evansville-st-0208-20180207-story.html
Quote from: nkvu on February 07, 2018, 08:59:01 PMBut deserved or not it's hard to overcome a 23 to 5 free throw disparity. Either we have to figure out how to cut down on the fouls we commit or we have to sell the plays that could be fouls on the other team better so we can get some calls.
Did anyone else notice how many times Taylor fell to the floor after taking a shot? Many had minimal or no contact but boy did it look good.....
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 07, 2018, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 07, 2018, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 07, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
This team makes too many mistakes and turns the ball over WAY too much to complain about the refs.
I think a 7 foul difference in the first half and a 4 foul difference in the second half, 22-11, is something to complain about in a close game no matter how many turnovers you have. Granted the foul difference in the second half was due to fouling at the end of the game to stop the clock.
I agree. The primary job of the officials is to make sure each team has the same number of fouls. #fairness
Absolutely! Each game should have the same number of fouls for each team. The real challenge would be to see if you can be the team that doesn't get the odd numbered foul called against them.
This team is making marginal progress which is better than what we've seen in the past where they get worse after each game. That's positive.
The problem that I see is that in crunch time, they fall back on "me" ball and forget that they are a team. Everybody wants to be the hero and make the winning shot but the good players look first to the open man or the back-door cutter or have the patience to wait for a better shot.
And as I watch Walker, I for the life of me can't understand why last year he was considering entering the NBA draft. If he truly were NBA worthy, he would be one of the best players in the Valley, which he clearly is not. How can one be so deluded about their own abilities? Who whispered in his ear that he was even close to being an NBA player? NBA players don't play basketball like Walker. He should step up if he's really that good.
Quote from: FWalum on February 07, 2018, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: nkvu on February 07, 2018, 08:59:01 PMBut deserved or not it's hard to overcome a 23 to 5 free throw disparity. Either we have to figure out how to cut down on the fouls we commit or we have to sell the plays that could be fouls on the other team better so we can get some calls.
Did anyone else notice how many times Taylor fell to the floor after taking a shot? Many had minimal or no contact but boy did it look good.....
Reminded me of Brandon Wood.
I am yet to decide if I am angry about our ongoing foul disparity in league play. Somebody will have to convince me that the disparity is not caused by a bad 3 point shooting team shooting way too many outside shots.
I am fully convinced the refs had a major impact on the Southern Illinois game. Our 7 footers were called for multiple phantom calls the very moment we were on the cusp of achieving separation, which is hard to come by in this league. Refs kept SIU in the game when they were cold from the floor by getting. Smits/Sorrolla were playing great defense and had to play softer the rest of the way to stay out of foul trouble and SIU went to the foul line when they couldn't get anything going offensively. Changed the whole game.
Last night seemed more like Evansville was attacking the basket while we were chucking 3's. Now, that doesn't mean they deserved all the foul calls they got. However, that is where an experienced coach tells his guys to attack the basket cuz the refs have a quick whistle.
Concur with the comment from Coach Matt and Justsayin, we panic when it is a one-possession game late in the game or take ill-advised 3s or fail to move the ball. This is then compounded by guys who can't make a clutch shot. Taylor hit some clutch shots 2d half with guys on him, mid and long. In late situations, you have to make the team play some defense and move them around. We had like 17 secs, and we take a top of the key 3 with no passes (or was that the end of the Cavs game). D We have no shooters. I said it in November. Golder is starting to take and hit some big shots. Bakari when he drives does good things. When we are below 30% shooting from 3, analytics tell you to stop shooting 3s. That 0-9 stretch was killer because we were having success inside. Kizer, Golder, Bakari all took open 3s and were not close. That's more the issue, they were not close. The corner 3 has to be knocked down. It's the easiest 3. Kizer finally hit one, and Golder, despite being fouled hit one late. Positives are there. This team is playing good defense and plays with intensity to the final whistle. It will come. This is not the Horizon Road. The Road is a difficult place. You have to learn how to win and then learn how to win on the road. We are getting closer and have more players coming for 2018-19. As an example, an ACC team, Wake Forest, has won just 5 conference road games since 2010.
And yes '05, Taylor reminded me of Brandon Wood. Wood could shoot lights out and score. We don't have a Wood. That is the key cog missing -- who do you go to in clutch situations when you need that score? Obviously, you don't replace an Alec overnight. But Tevonn's shooting since coming back from mono has been trbl.
What a weird performance from our team. Clearly the lack of consistency is the reason for our lack of success. Having said that consider a few weird things that could be blamed on the refs or on our players or both. Number 1: Our stating five shot 1 free throw last night. When was the last time that happened? Our "best" player scored 2 points, coupled with 1 rebound and 4 fouls in 23 minutes. Could be the worst game of his career at Valpo. The good news is that we didn't miss a single free throw!!!!! Probably because we only had 5 attempts. And finally, in spite of the terrible effort, bad shooting, lack of free throw attempts, bad refs and being on the road, we only lost by 5 points. Given all the issues facing this team, I'll take it.
As badly as I want to blame this game on the refs and the free throw differential, there are a few other reasons I can think of that cost us this game.
1) Only 1 starter scored more than 5 points last night. I get that Tevonn got into early foul trouble last night by some questionable calls, but 2 points from our leading scorer is not going to get it done in the MVC. Same with Smits, he's been a nice offensive weapon the last 4-5 games, we had a clear size advantage inside last night, and he had little impact on this game (again, I get the foul situation).
2) Kiser being our 3rd highest scorer and leading rebounder. This is in no way disrespect to Kiser because the kid works his butt off out there. Its been really impressive to see him go from walk-on to a solid role player on the team. That said, besides Bakari and Golder, no one else wanted to contribute on offense. We cannot expect to win in this league if our 3rd leading scorer is a sophomore that was a walk on as a freshman. As for the rebounds, still waiting on our bigs to be more aggressive going for boards as well as being out of position to get boards and in turn, giving opponents easy 2nd chance points.
3) Turnovers. I don't know what happened to us in the 2nd half, but there was a stretch where I swear we turned the ball over 5 possessions in a row. I'm probably exaggerating a bit, but it was quite frustrating to watch especially when a bunch of these are unforced turnovers. It seemed like until last like, we were starting to get better at holding onto the ball, but for some reason, we became really careless down the stretch.
I honestly don't know what to think from last night. Part of me thinks we took another step back last night. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic after losing a game I thought we were going to win, but our play in the 2nd half was not good to say the least. I really hope we can win our 3 remaining home games cause I don't see any way we win at Loyola or Drake if we play like we did last night.
3 point shots attempted through 1st 13 MVC games: Valpo = 274 Opponents = 206.
The simple answer is that Lottich needs to adjust and make a concerted effort to have his guys drive the lane. However, I think teams are sagging in and giving us the outside shots knowing full well we are making less than 30% of them in conference play.
So, yes, Lottich needs to adjust and we do need to drive more. But at the same time we need to hit 45% of our wide open looks (not the crappy contested shots) so that there are lanes available to drive, otherwise driving the basket doesn't do a lot of good when 4 or 5 guys are waiting for you.
I see progress, but boy it is painful. Bakari keeps us close with his creative drives and strong left hand. But I hated that last 3 he put up with a full 10 seconds yet to play.
ESPN memories: They need to make a statement against Illinois State and I honestly think that means Golder goes straight down the middle for a massive dunk even if he takes a charge. Maybe do it two or three times to fire up the crowd! Speaking of crowds.what a dead arena for the Aces. Yikes. Any students?
Can the bigs PLEASE play with energy and force? Play Hazen and Linssen. At least they react to the ball and reboud. Need to send a message and the bigs need to play physical. That Sorolla missed dunk to pass into the corner for a 3-pointer was sheer genius. Jumped a full 5 inches and slammed it off the side of the rim. But is was NOT intimidating. :)
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 08, 2018, 10:41:37 AMI see progress, but boy it is painful. Bakari keeps us close with his creative drives and strong left hand. But I hated that last 3 he put up with a full 10 seconds yet to play.
Simply not smart and then the effort at the rebound with the game on the line was pretty lazy.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 08, 2018, 09:42:24 AM3 point shots attempted through 1st 13 MVC games: Valpo = 274 Opponents = 206.
The simple answer is that Lottich needs to adjust and make a concerted effort to have his guys drive the lane. However, I think teams are sagging in and giving us the outside shots knowing full well we are making less than 30% of them in conference play.
So, yes, Lottich needs to adjust and we do need to drive more. But at the same time we need to hit 45% of our wide open looks (not the crappy contested shots) so that there are lanes available to drive, otherwise driving the basket doesn't do a lot of good when 4 or 5 guys are waiting for you.
Let me be very clear, the offense that we are running is
designed to drive the lane. The constant ball screens, in particular the high ball screens made by our 7 footers, are
designed to create penetration. The weave action up top is
designed to create driving opportunities. We certainly do very little screening away from the ball and our bigs rarely get the ball in deep where they can simply drop step and score. This offense was designed for Joe, Bakari and Tevonn to attack the basket. So what you said about the sagging almost pack line defenses that we have seen is correct, Tevonn literally gets hammered almost every time he drives to the basket, just like he did early in the first half when he hit his head on the floor. I am bewildered why he has not gotten more charity opportunities, it is not for lack of trying.
Quote from: IndyEIT777 on February 08, 2018, 09:41:03 AM3) Turnovers. I don't know what happened to us in the 2nd half, but there was a stretch where I swear we turned the ball over 5 possessions in a row. I'm probably exaggerating a bit
You're not exaggerating. It was at least 4 TO's in a row.
There are a lot of issues with this team on many levels, but one thing that drives me nuts is when people try to explain away a massive FT disparity in
a game with "one team was settling for jumpers." What typically actually happens is that said team drives the lane several times, gets hammered with no call, and either consciously or subconsciously takes more outside shots just to get some shots off to adjust to the officiating. That certainly is what happened last night. We had like three straight drives in the lane during our scoring drought alone where there was a TON of contact and no whistle. If you can't get to the line, teams tend to want to try and get something out of their possessions, even if the shots aren't great.
To be sure, you can live with refs going no blood-no foul if they are doing it consistently on both ends. But when our bigs aren't allowed to similarly defend the rim without a whistle, then it's really frustrating. The "settling for jumpers" thing, more often than not, is just a convenient cop-out to avoid criticizing officials having an inconsistent standard of contact from end to end.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 08, 2018, 01:20:04 PM
There are a lot of issues with this team on many levels, but one thing that drives me nuts is when people try to explain away a massive FT disparity in
a game with "one team was settling for jumpers." What typically actually happens is that said team drives the lane several times, gets hammered with no call, and either consciously or subconsciously takes more outside shots just to get some shots off to adjust to the officiating. That certainly is what happened last night. We had like three straight drives in the lane during our scoring drought alone where there was a TON of contact and no whistle. If you can't get to the line, teams tend to want to try and get something out of their possessions, even if the shots aren't great.
To be sure, you can live with refs going no blood-no foul if they are doing it consistently on both ends. But when our bigs aren't allowed to similarly defend the rim without a whistle, then it's really frustrating. The "settling for jumpers" thing, more often than not, is just a convenient cop-out to avoid criticizing officials having an inconsistent standard of contact from end to end.
I don't think anyone would disagree with the foul discrepancy as well as what Valpo did on offense to adjust to how the refs were calling the game. To add on to your point, what's just as frustrating is Evansville's offense is primarily focused on taking jump shots. How in the world are there not at least as many fouls called on them when we are trying to drive to the basket and get hacked much of the time doing so?
Having said that, as much as I want to put blame on the refs (which they definitely deserve blame for some of our struggles), Valpo needs to focus on improving the areas that they can control. That includes lack of rebounding, limiting turnovers, and not missing layups/free throws. Valpo desperately needs to improve in all of those areas if we are going to win any remaining games this season.
Crowd? Box Score report: Attendance: 3425
Watching on TV, I think they were counting toes, not people...I didn't hear a student section... that was a good example of playing in a big, beautiful, 75% empty arena. I think that crowd was over stated as much as the SIU crowd was under-stated last Saturday...
Quote from: talksalot on February 08, 2018, 02:55:10 PM
I think that crowd was over stated as much as the SIU crowd was under-stated last Saturday...
Crowds are never understated.
I was pretty unimpressed with the Evansville crowd but I know we shouldn't be ones to talk about crowd size. The Ford Center is really nice and big but it's not on their campus and it really hurts the atmosphere. The crowd was really far away from the court. Evansville has a sizable fan base but they weren't there last night. I can't blame them. A last place Valpo team isn't a great draw on a Wednesday night.
Evansville has not had an arena on campus since 1956. Previously they played at Robert Stadium and, at least during the time I was on the Parent's advisory board during the Steve Merfeld coaching era, their average attendance was around 6,500 per game with some games over 9,000. Roberts was specifically designed for basketball and had seating for up to 11,600 after the 1990 renovation. It really was a great basketball venue when I went to some games during that 2002-2006 time span.