Wife just told me Micah got arrested saturday night for possession of weed.
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Valparaiso University basketball player Micah Bradford charged with two felonies
Valparaiso University basketball player Micah Bradford was arrested Saturday night on charges including possession of marijuana.
Bradford, of Bourbonnais, Illinois, and Nailah Bush, of Chicago, both 19, were taken into custody after a 9:12 p.m. call to an apartment in the 200 block of Sturdy Road in Valparaiso.
They face felony counts of obstruction of justice and maintaining a common nuisance, and a misdemeanor drug count, according to Valparaiso police.
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso-university-basketball-player-micah-bradford-charged-with-two-felonies/article_64ec9c2e-48ee-5c0b-b173-6e42dc8b941e.html
Who thinks he'll play in Arch Madness? I don't think so but who knows. The University can't wait to make a Friday night press release dump, because the game is on Thursday.
hopefully he gets tossed off the team, enough losers
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Quote from: truth219 on February 26, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
hopefully he gets tossed off the team, enough losers
I've met Micah a few times and he seemed like a great kid. I don't think he's a bad kid or a loser. He just made a really dumb mistake. He's had 2 really tough seasons but by all accounts he's a work horse and gym rat, who puts in the work.
Should've been in the gym 🤷♂️
My big question is....why?
The game was on saturday, at drake, and at 2:00 cst. Game gets over about 4:15 and they fly back to Indiana. Around 9:30, a little over 5 hours after the end of the game, the police come knocking and he gets popped? He mustve been at it right after the team dispersed when they got back....
It's time to move on from Micah. He struggling and way over his head on the court and apparently off the court too. I'm sure he's a good kid but Valpo or D1 basketball is not for him. He just needs to go.
I worry about if this status quo for our men's basketball program.
Quote from: Chairback on February 26, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
It's time to move on from Micah. He struggling and way over his head on the court and apparently off the court too. I'm sure he's a good kid but Valpo or D1 basketball is not for him. He just needs to go.
I worry about if this status quo for our men's basketball program.
Obviously don't know where this all goes but I disagree on him being over his head--at least at the end of the season. Early on he was called on to shoot threes and when he started missing he lost all confidence, even on the line. To his credit, Matt changed his role to a distributor and he and Bakari both picked up their games. I think he will be very good as he continues to mature and his defense has always been solid. He has the speed and size to impact games. I hope he can get his act together.
It may be best for all parties to go their separate ways. I think he'd benefit from getting a fresh start somewhere else and benefit from a redshirt year to work on his game. Minutes will be tougher to come by next season.
Am I the only one who didn't know "popped" means arrested? I had to find it in the urban dictionary. And to think I nearly went the entire day without learning something new.
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2018, 07:32:02 PMAm I the only one who didn't know "popped" means arrested?
Yes! Even from my position as a senior citizen, I have heard that term used for decades.
Quote from: vu72 on February 26, 2018, 07:00:53 PMObviously don't know where this all goes but I disagree on him being over his head--at least at the end of the season. Early on he was called on to shoot threes and when he started missing he lost all confidence, even on the line. To his credit, Matt changed his role to a distributor and he and Bakari both picked up their games. I think he will be very good as he continues to mature and his defense has always been solid.
Micah has his limitations but seems to be making slow but generally upward progress. He will never be a top shelf starter but if willing to stay and work (drug free) he could be a reliable end of bench contributor for an excellent ball club. It is up to him.
Suspension, yes, but kicking someone off the team for pot possession is too harsh. The legality of pot is escalating and there are worse events going on. The happenings with the NCAA administration is far worse.
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 27, 2018, 06:05:00 AM
Suspension, yes, but kicking someone off the team for pot possession is too harsh. The legality of pot is escalating and there are worse events going on. The happenings with the NCAA administration is far worse.
I'm pro marijuana and even felt a cringe when I saw that's what Micah was busted for. It's silly how much more we react to weed vs alcohol indulgence. But I'd agree, the felony concept is the real indicator here.
I'm assuming this is what coach will react to considering how short a window he has to make a decision. Based on the HL tournament results of years prior, I'm guessing the team left for St Louis WELL in advance to get a shoot around 😜. Due process is important, big TBD.
It really bothers me. Not only is it against the law whether we like it or not it is also against team rules and it has really hurt the team. Micah needs to be shown the door more for letting his team down at a very crucial time.
This must be done or Valpo opens itself up to student criticism of athletes getting an unfair advantage which has never been the true Valpo way like it mostly has been in other schools.
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 27, 2018, 06:05:00 AM
Suspension, yes, but kicking someone off the team for pot possession is too harsh. The legality of pot is escalating and there are worse events going on. The happenings with the NCAA administration is far worse.
The law is the law regardless of whether you support marijuana. He broke it and he should not play or stay.
Allegedly. The kid has due process and an assumption of innocence. A quick drug test will show if he was using or not, and would be known by the game on thurs. Maybe thats what they are waiting on to make an anoouncement.
What happens if they do give a drug test, it comes back clean, and charges are eventually dismissed? Big difference between if he did test positive and is found guilty of a felony. We can't be judge and jury here.
If it was a misdemeanor weed possession charge, the bigger question is what did he do to get felony counts of obstruction of justice AND a "common nuisance."
This country has bigger problems than marijuana possession.
That being said, he needs to be suspended, but not kicked out of school.
In reading the article, the foolish thing about this that if Bradford opens the door when the police knock, then the biggest charge is a misdemeanor drug charge. Getting caught smoking marijuana is a dumb decision, yet at their age is not the end of the world. (Barack Obama and Al Gore among others have had pretty successful careers even after admitting they smoked pot in their youth.) However, the felony charges escalate this to another level, and if convicted, probably ends his career at Valpo.
Quote from: valpo95 on February 27, 2018, 08:34:43 AMIn reading the article, the foolish thing about this that if Bradford opens the door when the police knock, then the biggest charge is a misdemeanor drug charge. Getting caught smoking marijuana is a dumb decision, yet at their age is not the end of the world. (Barack Obama and Al Gore among others have had pretty successful careers even after admitting they smoked pot in their youth.) However, the felony charges escalate this to another level, and if convicted, probably ends his career at Valpo.
Agree. The real problem here is not the pot smoking in his apartment at night (yes illegal, no I don't agree with it, but to pretend that's not common among college kids is fooling yourself). The problem seems to be not handling the situation with the cops appropriately. We will see if those charges stick. There have been numerous examples over the years of Valpo PD being over zealous in situations like this. But if he really did cause major issues that warrant two felony charges, then that is the problem and it is a big problem.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 27, 2018, 08:11:47 AM
If it was a misdemeanor weed possession charge, the bigger question is what did he do to get felony counts of obstruction of justice AND a "common nuisance."
A little to my surprise, while the written VU rules spend quite a bit of text distinguishing Category I (eg felony) and Category II (eg misdemeanor) violations the minimum penalty for both is the same: two games for basketball.
Presumably the more serious sanctions (including expulsion etc) become more likely for Cat I. But they're not automatic.
With due process, appeals, etc. it may be in large part up to the student whether they quickly serve an official sentence.
I guess the coaching staff then has discretion as to whether he plays.
If he didn't miss the ride to St. Louis (court date? Maybe no problem?), he could be going...
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2018, 07:32:02 PM
Am I the only one who didn't know "popped" means arrested? I had to find it in the urban dictionary. And to think I nearly went the entire day without learning something new.
Nope. ;)
Quote from: vuny98 on February 27, 2018, 09:14:22 AMThe problem seems to be not handling the situation with the cops appropriately.
This is a tough one for me. Is it clear what "appropriate" means here?
It's far from clear to me that you let the police search your apartment without a warrant. It's far from clear to me that you should admit guilt to an officer on the scene. Trying to make MJ vanish? Maybe that's not good...
You may annoy the cops less if you let them in and admit guilt for the minor offense, instead of making them get the warrant etc. But, is that really what you *should* do?
(In other news, while reviewing the books, I saw that room and board scholarship money is taxable according to VU. I didn't realize. Probably not enough by itself to actually trigger income tax, if the income accrues to the student. But, international students have something like 14% withheld for IRS and have to file to get it back.)
Quote from: elephtheria47 on February 27, 2018, 07:56:27 AM
Allegedly. The kid has due process and an assumption of innocence. A quick drug test will show if he was using or not, and would be known by the game on thurs. Maybe thats what they are waiting on to make an anoouncement.
What happens if they do give a drug test, it comes back clean, and charges are eventually dismissed? Big difference between if he did test positive and is found guilty of a felony. We can't be judge and jury here.
I agree, not ready to convict Micah just yet. The whole article and police reporting is extremely vague and the timeline is still a problem for me, doubt he was back to apartment by 6:30PM. Glad the cops never came knocking on my door back in the late 70's. I was not a user, but my roommate and fraternity brother's did partake occasionally. I would have been guilty just by association because I am sure they left "evidence" behind (I usually took off when that stuff started happening). So they did not catch him actually doing anything other than sleeping with his girlfriend in an apartment that smelled of pot smoke and had some small bags of pot outside of a bedroom window.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 27, 2018, 08:11:47 AMthe bigger question is what did he do to get felony counts of obstruction of justice AND a "common nuisance."
This is what I don't understand, this all seems pretty simple to me, there has to be more to the story other than they charged him with these felonies because they had to get a warrant and there was some pot on the ground outside his window. What exactly did he do...
Quote from: bbtds on February 27, 2018, 07:10:39 AMIt really bothers me. Not only is it against the law whether we like it or not it is also against team rules and it has really hurt the team. Micah needs to be shown the door more for letting his team down at a very crucial time.
Give the kid a drug test and if he is using then he has broken team rules and let his team down in the most egregious way. A major suspension or potential dismissal is certainly in order. This is exactly what we did at Indiana Tech, kids took drug tests at the beginning of the season and if needed at random times during the season, if positive they were suspended for a month. Never had anybody arrested, but if they had been I am sure they would have been dismissed.
valpo95, you nailed it. Micah made things much worse for himself when he didn't open the door and hand over the pot. The felony wasn't for smoking pot. It was for forcing them to get a warrant to search the apartment and then finding the the pot thrown out the window to try and hide evidence. I don't care about kids smoking a little weed or partaking in underage drinking as long as they do it responsibly. There are bigger problems in this world. But Micah let his team down by doing this in season and also at the most important time of the season. He just needs to be smarter then this. Also what the hell is he doing smoking inside an apartment? The article said the incident happened on Sturdy Road so it's probably the View Pointe apartments that aren't exclusively college kids, so your chances of a neighbor getting pissed off and calling the cops is more likely. Just so stupid on so many levels.
Since the felony charges are likely to get dropped it won't lead to him getting kicked out of school and I'd think not off the team. But I'd think he'd not make the Trip to Arch Madness, because this was a little more then just getting busted for smoking pot given his actions of forcing the cops to get a warrant and him trying to hide the weed by tossing it out the window which led to the felony charges. If I'm coach I'd probably leave Micah at home unless there is more to this story we don't know about. Like elephtheria47 said, Micah deserves due process but I'd hope he'd be fully honest with the Coaches so they'll have all the facts to make a decision. I don't envy the spot Coach Lottich or the Athletics Department is in. It won't be the end of the world if he plays but I think it would send the wrong message. Coach needs to clean up all these little incidents.
I think Micah is a good kid who made a really dumb mistake. Kids make mistakes and he'll learn from this.
What makes people think the felony charges may or will be dismissed?
This might be a very easy, legal, decision for the coaches/school. He has pending felony charges and he posted bond. A condition of bond may be that he can't leave the state.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 27, 2018, 09:40:09 AMThe felony wasn't for smoking pot. It was for forcing them to get a warrant to search the apartment and then finding the the pot thrown out the window to try and hide evidence.
Just to be clear, "forcing" the cops to get a search warrant before letting them into your apartment isn't a felony offense! I'll admit that, as a practical matter, insisting on your rights in this fashion may in some fashion antagonize the police and could perhaps affect what they charge you with.
But, for me, this is a funny grey area. There may be some advantage to "playing along" and making the police's job easier. But, you're certainly entitled to your rights (make them get a search warrant, don't say anything incriminating, ask to talk to a lawyer, etc.). And it seems like you could easily get yourself into trouble by _not_ sticking to your rights.
It's not lost on me that this is a young African-American man (and woman, from the mugshot) in a predominantly white town. This will have an effect on interactions with the police.
The obstruction is literally just because he threw the pot out the window. Basically he tried to hide evidence from the police investigation. The other is probably because it was an apt and the cops were annoyed they had to get a warrant.
I do tend to think the front page headline et al is a bit excessive for a paper that, if not for Paul's write ups never even acknowledges there is a D I basketball team in the town at all.
Stupid decision, will probably get a misdemeanor and some probation with a chance to clear his record. I also know a bit about how the police work in the area and I agree with Agibson that there is some concern for me with race here. I've been around long enough to see our AA students tend to get a harsher response by the cops
QuoteThe felony wasn't for smoking pot. It was for forcing them to get a warrant to search the apartment and then finding the the pot thrown out the window to try and hide evidence.
So by asking the cops to, you know, actually DO THEIR JOBS AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW, someone deserves a felony charge? That can't be what you're arguing here... is it?
agibson, good point. I don't know how my 19 year old self would react if I were in the situation but probably with hindsight it would have been best to fess up to the crime if he really was smoking pot and hand it over to cops. It probably would have reduced the charges. Maybe it was just the young lady who was smoking and maybe Micah was just hanging out at the apartment. I don't know. The Coaches and Athletics Department know more then us. I'm curious when the University will have a comment. When is Paul and Michaels Media day with the team? Is normally on Tuesdays or Wednesday?
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 27, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
So by asking the cops to, you know, actually DO THEIR JOBS AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW, someone deserves a felony charge? That can't be what you're arguing here... is it?
I'm no lawyer and never claimed to be. I didn't mean to suggest they should be able to just break into the apartment without a warrant. All I meant to say is this probably wasn't handled well by Micah and the young Lady. Really the worse thing was trying to hide the weed, I'd imagine.
You have a right to ask them to get a warrant. It's not your right to try and hide evidence of a crime i.e. flushing marijuana down a toilet. That's where the obstruction charge comes into play imo. And I also believe that the cops would not have to get a warrant and they could have knocked down the door if they had reasonable suspicion that evidence was being tampered with or destroyed. Cops in Porter County, and neighboring Laporte County, are tough on crime. While it can be argued that marijuana should be legal or its not a "major crime" the facts are cops serve and protect. They were called to a scene where criminal activity was taking place. Now it's time to wait to see how it plays out in the court system and the university.
Micah's Dad's statement.
https://twitter.com/barrybradford3/status/968523493519306754
It sounds like wrong place at wrong time.
My apologies to Micah for jumping to conclusions that he may have been smoking. A healthy reminder to wait for all the facts to come out. Sounds like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Micah's dad suggests he was at a teammates apartment.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 27, 2018, 10:42:32 AM
Micah's Dad's statement.
https://twitter.com/barrybradford3/status/968523493519306754
It sounds like wrong place at wrong time.
Wow, this certainly changes things, all the "he" did this talk on the board flies right out the window if this is correct. Certainly why I did not want to pre-judge.
So then, if true, the question becomes, which teammates apartment was he at and does that become another team problem.
Quote from: vuny98 on February 27, 2018, 10:55:18 AM
So then, if true, the question becomes, which teammates apartment was he at and does that become another team problem.
That obviously is the question and who was smoking in a teammates apt? The newspaper didn't say anything about others arrested, just Nailah. So who threw the dope out the window? Who didn't open the door? And don't these kids watch gangster movies? The toilet is the proper disposal method for Pete's sake.
If no one takes ownership of the weed it becomes communal property in the eyes of the law so whoever was in the apartment gets in trouble.
If someone steps up and takes responsibility for the marijuana and a drug test proves he hadn't smoked he might get all charges dropped. Let's hope that if it's a teammates it's maybe the transfer from Green Bay or someone who is a walk on but doesn't play currently.
My current speculation is that maybe it was the his lady friend and that there was some misplaced chivalry.
Ironically, if all things are true, and if neither of them lived there. If they opened the door and let the police in all charges might have been dropped because only a resident can approve a search without a warrant. (Actual lawyers let me know if i'm right about this?)
Can we maybe change the Title of this thread, not sure the word "popped" is really appropriate and is very negative. My understanding has always been that getting "popped" meant you were caught in the act of committing a crime.
Not sure about Micah, but whoever thought throwing the pot out of the window rather than flushing it down the toilet was high as a kite.
Maybe they just didnt' want to waste it 8-)
Quote from: VU2014 on February 27, 2018, 10:15:09 AMAll I meant to say is this probably wasn't handled well by Micah and the young Lady.
Where does it say that Nailah Bush is a young lady?
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso-university-basketball-player-micah-bradford-charged-with-two-felonies/article_64ec9c2e-48ee-5c0b-b173-6e42dc8b941e.html#1
Thought I saw it on twitter, or I could just be going by the name
I must have just made an assumption when I read the name
Quote from: covufan on February 27, 2018, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 27, 2018, 10:15:09 AMAll I meant to say is this probably wasn't handled well by Micah and the young Lady.
Where does it say that Nailah Bush is a young lady?
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso-university-basketball-player-micah-bradford-charged-with-two-felonies/article_64ec9c2e-48ee-5c0b-b173-6e42dc8b941e.html#1
What part of that are we doubting? I mean, I guess you can't really know someone's gender identity without asking them. And a mug shot's rarely flattering. And it's not the most common of names (albeit a little time on google seems to confirm it's a name usually given to girls). But, I don't see much reason for doubt.
Perhaps just objecting to the 'young' part?
Maybe Micah caught himself a cougar?
The other person is a young lady.
Formal charges have been filed, however, they are filed as visiting a common nuisance (misdemeanor) and possession of marijuana (misdemeanor).
Id imagine that since the charges are now misdemeanors, legally, he could travel with the team.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on February 27, 2018, 12:09:35 PM
The other person is a young lady.
Formal charges have been filed, however, they are filed as visiting a common nuisance (misdemeanor) and possession of marijuana (misdemeanor).
Confirmed in the filing that the Sturdy Road apartment is not Micah's residence. His residence is listed as 206 E MONROE ST #B in the filing.
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2018, 11:02:08 AMThe toilet is the proper disposal method for Pete's sake.
Hmmm. Sounds like the voice of experience. Feel free to give us more details. ;)
Right, which is probably why it was amended from the initial maintaining a common nuisance to visiting a common nuisance. Now it would need to be proved "he visited the apartment knowing that they were engaging in illegal activity."
Hmmm... so VPD just decided to throw the book at everyone, regardless of the facts of the situation, because they were mad they had to follow the law and get a warrant? That would be... completely in character for them.
Sounds like this case is getting weaker and weaker. Prosecutors and Police probably do not want to give it up so soon after the arrest because the big splash and mug shot in the newspaper could leave them with egg on their face. Did illegal activity happen at that location? Most probably.... Was Micah directly involved? That seems to be more unlikely as things bear out.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on February 27, 2018, 12:22:40 PMvisiting a common nuisance. Now it would need to be proved "he visited the apartment knowing that they were engaging in illegal activity."
This all starts to feel a little like malfunctioning tail lights, or jaywalking, loitering, or open container laws...
Maybe they have their place. But, laws that are irregularly enforced make me uncomfortable.
I'd change the title of this thread again because he's being charge with only a misdemeanor, correct?
Should be really interesting to watch and see how this is handled by VU Administration, Athletic Department and Coaching staff. The average Joe and Jill is not going to know as much as we have uncovered here and only go by what has been in the Main Stream Media.
How about changing the title of the thread to "Micah Bradford - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
Quote from: justducky on February 27, 2018, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2018, 11:02:08 AMThe toilet is the proper disposal method for Pete's sake.
Hmmm. Sounds like the voice of experience. Feel free to give us more details. ;)
Like I said, if they watched more gangster movies they would know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voDqfVthTpA
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They put out an article updating the charges.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/968661151528693761
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/968662352810971141
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/968662631686066176
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/968669441176285189
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/968661286736277505
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/968663218947280901
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/968665094614810624
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/968671040787361792
It would appear he has really dodged a bullet.
GOOD! For now, it is settled. For now. Let's go to St. Louis and win.
If I were Matt I might ask for and witness (if need be) an additional drug test. Trust but verify.
I really hope these 19 and 20 year-olds can put this behind them, come together, and FOCUS.
More information from his local newspaper. He will play and he does do regular drug testing.
http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html
Quote from: vu72 on March 01, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
More information from his local newspaper. He will play and he does do regular drug testing.
http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html
So the "common nuisance" he visited was a teammate's apartment, where several players were assembled and marijuana was being smoked. Great.
Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face.
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise), bring your alibis
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
Quote from: vu72 on March 01, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
More information from his local newspaper. He will play and he does do regular drug testing.
http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html
So the "common nuisance" he visited was a teammate's apartment, where several players were assembled and marijuana was being smoked. Great.
Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face.
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise), bring your alibis
It didn't say other teammates smoked marijuana. The event only occurred at neighbors apartment while others were out getting food.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 01, 2018, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
Quote from: vu72 on March 01, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
More information from his local newspaper. He will play and he does do regular drug testing.
http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html
So the "common nuisance" he visited was a teammate's apartment, where several players were assembled and marijuana was being smoked. Great.
Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face.
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise), bring your alibis
It didn't say other teammates smoked marijuana. The event only occurred at neighbors apartment while others were out getting food.
What "neighbor's apartment?" The only reference to a residence in the article is "a teammate's apartment."
Of course it didn't say other teammates smoked marijuana. They had the good fortune of being on a food run when the police served the search warrant and entered the apartment. Otherwise, they too would have been arrested, and we would be in the midst of possibly the biggest scandal in Valpo men's bb history. The only reason it isn't a much bigger deal is DUMB LUCK.
Just add this to the multi-faceted cluster f list that is Valpo bb at present. I've never seen a season in the past 25 years in bigger need of closing the book. Before next season starts, everyone involved with this program had better do some serious soul searching, from Heckler to the last player on the bench and everyone in between. This program is suspended over a precipice dangling by a thread.
Sorry I meant teammate's* apartment. I need more coffee.
Kids smoking pot doesn't amount to scandal for me, but it could have been one of the worst looks from a optics perspective in team history if they all got caught up in that mess. Hopefully if there were a few more people there they could have told them to quit it with the pot. I'm not excusing stupidity. Micah should reconsider who he hangs out with if he hangs around people who are that stupid to start smoking pot inside an apartment building and think no one else is going to smell it. Just completely idiotic.
Coach Lottich really needs to clean all these little things up. It's a bad look. The player leaders of the team should also be self policing in the locker room.
Quote from: vu72 on March 01, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
More information from his local newspaper. He will play and he does do regular drug testing.
http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html
Regular drug testing... for performance enhancing drugs. This is news to me, in fact. And recreational drug testing... during championships? I'm not 100% sure what that means - during the NCAA tournament?
From the Daily Journal:
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The NCAA mandates drug testing of college athletes.
The organization tests for steroids, peptide hormones and masking agents year-round and also tests for stimulants and recreational drugs during championships, according to the NCAA website.
Member schools also can test for these substances as part of their athletics department drug-deterrence programs.
As to wh's vision:
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They had the good fortune of being on a food run when the police served the search warrant and entered the apartment. Otherwise, they too would have been arrested, and we would be in the midst of possibly the biggest scandal in Valpo men's bb history. The only reason it isn't a much bigger deal is DUMB LUCK.
I'm imagining it slightly differently. I guess while you're applying for the search warrant, you leave somebody on site to question anybody coming or going. So, I'm guessing that anybody else who had been at the apartment got, indeed, rather lucky and wasn't present when the police showed up. And, then stayed away until the whole business was resolved. Wow.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 01, 2018, 01:08:26 PM
Sorry I meant teammate's* apartment. I need more coffee.
Kids smoking pot doesn't amount to scandal for me, but it could have been one of the worst optic looks in team history if they all got caught up in that mess. Hopefully if there were a few more people there they could have told them to quit it with the pot. I'm not excusing stupidity. Micah should reconsider who he hangs out with if he hangs around people who are that stupid to start smoking pot inside an apartment building and think no one else is going to smell it. Just completely idiotic.
Coach Lottich really needs to clean all these little things up. It's a bad look. The player leaders of the team should also be self policing in the locker room.
So you're suggesting he stop hanging out with his teammates? These "kids" are grown adults who know full well the optics of the situation as well as we do, and yet they either participated in it, or chose to ignore it. If he hasn't already, Lottich needs to sit the entire group down and tell them in no uncertain terms that this silly crap may be what everyone is doing everywhere - but not here. He needs to force them to make a clear choice of complete abstinence from this behavior; otherwise, take their basketball skills somewhere more understanding of children's weaknesses. Too many "kids" expect to be treated like adults - until they get get in trouble. Then they want to be coddled like children.
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
So you're suggesting he stop hanging out with his teammates? These "kids" are grown adults who know full well the optics of the situation as well as we do, and yet they either participated in it, or who chose to ignore it. If he hasn't already, Lottich needs to sit the entire group down and read them in no uncertain terms that this silly crap may be what everyone is doing everywhere - but not here. the riot act. He needs to force them to make a clear choice of complete abstinence from this behavior; otherwise, take your basketball skills somewhere more understanding of children's weaknesses.
Do you know his teammates were there when people started smoking? I don't think we can make that assumption. I agree Coach Lottich needs to lay down the law and say knock it off. If the Conference Tournament wasn't coming up I'd make the Micah & potentially any teammate involved run suicides and make it an absolutely excruciating practice.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 01, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
So you're suggesting he stop hanging out with his teammates? These "kids" are grown adults who know full well the optics of the situation as well as we do, and yet they either participated in it, or who chose to ignore it. If he hasn't already, Lottich needs to sit the entire group down and read them in no uncertain terms that this silly crap may be what everyone is doing everywhere - but not here. the riot act. He needs to force them to make a clear choice of complete abstinence from this behavior; otherwise, take your basketball skills somewhere more understanding of children's weaknesses.
Do you know his teammates were there when people started smoking? I don't think we can make that assumption. I agree Coach Lottich needs to lay down the law and say knock it off. If the Conference Tournament wasn't coming up I'd make the Micah & potentially any teammate involved run suicides and make it an absolutely excruciating practice.
Well, if you believe Micah and his "teammate's girlfriend, they weren't smoking pot; yet, the smell of pot was strong enough that a neighbor called police, and they found pot on the ground outside the window of the "teammate's apartment." Presumably, somebody was smoking it, unless maybe they were using it as a scented candle.
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 01, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
So you're suggesting he stop hanging out with his teammates? These "kids" are grown adults who know full well the optics of the situation as well as we do, and yet they either participated in it, or who chose to ignore it. If he hasn't already, Lottich needs to sit the entire group down and read them in no uncertain terms that this silly crap may be what everyone is doing everywhere - but not here. the riot act. He needs to force them to make a clear choice of complete abstinence from this behavior; otherwise, take your basketball skills somewhere more understanding of children's weaknesses.
Do you know his teammates were there when people started smoking? I don't think we can make that assumption. I agree Coach Lottich needs to lay down the law and say knock it off. If the Conference Tournament wasn't coming up I'd make the Micah & potentially any teammate involved run suicides and make it an absolutely excruciating practice.
Well, if you believe Micah and his "teammate's girlfriend, they weren't smoking pot; yet, the smell of pot was strong enough that a neighbor called police, and they found pot on the ground outside the window of the "teammate's apartment." Presumably, somebody was smoking it, unless maybe they were using it as a scented candle.
It doesn't take much to stink up a closed space. It's a much stronger smell then cigarettes.
Micah is playing tonight.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/969311892517814273
Quote from: vu72 on March 01, 2018, 09:08:25 AMMore information from his local newspaper. He will play and he does do regular drug testing. http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html (http://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/ex-bbchs-standout-arrested/article_253237a3-fed4-5dbe-b9d9-96b81e4e7bc9.html)
Just to clear this aspect of this story, the article is a bit misleading or, at the very least, not explaining the NCAA drug testing protocol properly. Both street drugs and PEDs are tested for by the NCAA. This is done on a random basis. Not only for the athlete but for the school. For instance, a school may be selected for testing and the school has an appointed administrator to handle the request. Anyone on the roster may be selected for testing and it is done on a random basis. During the championship season, further random testing is conducted and any rostered player may be selected randomly for testing. It is possible to go 4 years without an individual player to never be tested by the NCAA.
In addition, the school may test on their own behalf and, to my knowledge, the school can test any player at any time. The school must report the results to the NCAA and provide evidence that the school has followed the school's established method of punishment for a positive test. A typical street drug suspension for a school is a game or two for the first positive test. Valpo's internal penalty for a street drug violation is 2 games for basketball.
The NCAA penalty for a failed test for street drugs is far more severe at 50%of the team's games.
So while Mr. Bradford says his son has never failed a drug test, it is possible that this is because he's never been administered a test. The wording is interesting. That doesn't mean he hasn't taken a test and passed it or multiple tests and passed them by any means.
Valpo looks at this as a failed internal test. Therefore the institution penalty takes precedence. Had Bradford not been arrested and been caught by the NCAA at the MVCs failing a test, the penalty would have been more severe and gone into the middle of next year.
If a college kid smoking pot is the biggest scandal in Valpo basketball history, then we've had a near flawless program.
Uh, that is in comparison to the rest of D-I, right? I kinda hold my alma mater to higher standards.
Quote from: a3uge on March 01, 2018, 07:14:05 PM
If a college kid smoking pot is the biggest scandal in Valpo basketball history, then we've had a near flawless program.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply misread my post.
Quote from: wh on March 01, 2018, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 01, 2018, 07:14:05 PM
If a college kid smoking pot is the biggest scandal in Valpo basketball history, then we've had a near flawless program.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply misread my post.
*college kids