Poll
Question:
Was it the correct move to relieve Tracey Dorow of her duties as Head Coach of the Valpo Women's Basketball Team?
Option 1: Yes
Option 2: No
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/972584799989878786
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/972585401977327616
:thumbsup: Long overdue.
It sounds like the mysterious medical issue may not have existed. They may have asked her to stay at home because they knew this was coming. Or maybe they were giving Assistant Coach Justin Rees a test trial as acting head coach?
I hope that we only consider D-1 coaches this time. We need to leverage our conference affiliation to find someone that has success at the D-1 level, whether it is a top assistant from a P5 program, or someone that has experienced success at a low major.
We appreciate her contributions over the last 6 years, but it comes down to wins.
I would really hope you wouldn't promote someone who was an assistant during this mess. New blood up and down that start could turn this thing around very quickly.
I'd try and hire someone with ties to the Region if possible. I have no clue who that might be.
A classy response from Tracy. I wish her well. It simply was time and I applaud Mark for not hesitating. We have skilled players. We need someone to get them in the right place.
Not a surprise and certainly the right move. Valpo gave her a sufficient period and the results were not there
And yet when do we get answers for the issues with the men's team? Not calling for anyone to lose their job but answers and change.
Quote from: VU2010 on March 10, 2018, 10:52:07 PM
And yet when do we get answers for the issues with the men's team? Not calling for anyone to lose their job but answers and change.
I'm hoping members of the men's coaching staff will join Paul on his podcast to have a long form discussion this offseason. Purely from a coaching standpoint I've been much more impressed by the Coach Lottich then I ever was with Coach Dorow. Lottich's teams have had more talent. It was a pretty rough season for both teams but I thought the men's team was noticeably starting to turn a corner the last month of the season.
Quote from: VU2010 on March 10, 2018, 10:52:07 PM
And yet when do we get answers for the issues with the men's team? Not calling for anyone to lose their job but answers and change.
What issues are you talking about? The only thing that I am not sure I understand is how Joe Burton, the player who most likely was the critical lynchpin for this team, seemingly was "allowed" to get into academic trouble. Troubles with Skara and Jubril are on Bryce. Bradford was in the wrong place at the wrong time, should know better and answer the door. Performance in my mind goes back mostly to Burton and Tevonn's mono which was not really under his control.
The issue with Bradford is minor compared to the grand scheme. To even consider right now that Lottich should be fired is so ridiculus. Valpo hoop under Dorow was brutal for 6 years.
Quote from: VU2010 on March 10, 2018, 10:52:07 PMAnd yet when do we get answers for the issues with the men's team? Not calling for anyone to lose their job but answers and change.
We have a coach who last year lost the best player in the league Valpo was in for the conference tournament. This year, the team lost that player along with a few other solid contributors while being replaced by others who may have only replaced the solid contributors all while switching conferences in a staggering display of poor timing in terms of competitiveness.....
......and you want to call the guy on the carpet?
Tough crowd.
QuoteThe only thing that I am not sure I understand is how Joe Burton, the player who most likely was the critical lynchpin for this team, seemingly was "allowed" to get into academic trouble.
It's somebody else's fault.
Any other observations on the Dorow dismissal or can we retitle this string more in line with the current trend and make it all about MBB?
Long overdue! She was not good. Hopefully they get rid of Rees too, he was just as bad!
Thanks Dad
http://www.evangelathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20180411f1wy5b
Say this for Dorow, her assistants find head coaching jobs. Here is the fourth to take a college head job, plus one is HS.
She goes from being a Crusader to being a ............. Crusader.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwipx5CHtIXbAhXs7YMKHf05CTgQFgg9MAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldpalladium.com%2Fsports%2Flocal%2Ftracey-bloodworth-to-lead-sj-girls-basketball%2Farticle_d25f9ace-0027-530d-a0a3-4a9108904881.html&usg=AOvVaw2NKo4ak4z0-hJC9uqnFdp7
Returning to her high school alma mater, sounds like she is walking into a good situation.
Just curious, is there a reason for the name change or is Tracey better known as a Bloodworth in that community?
Also, when the St. Joseph Bears lose to the Paw Paw Redskins does it feel like getting your foot cut off by DC pro football player?
Quote from: bbtds on May 14, 2018, 10:14:00 AM
Just curious, is there a reason for the name change or is Tracey better known as a Bloodworth in that community?
My best guess is bloodworth is her maiden name?
Quote from: bbtds on May 14, 2018, 10:14:00 AMis there a reason for the name change or is Tracey better known as a Bloodworth in that community?
Divorce maybe? Her bio at Valpo lists two kids but no husband. I saw a bio for her from Ferris State which did list her husband, Rob Dorow. Probably happened a while ago and the Bloodworth name recognition is much higher at her high school.
They got divorced several years ago. Kept her married name while in VU job for consistency. Changed her name on all social media sites (Facebook, Twitter) soon after leaving VU. I don't believe it was related to getting job back at old school.
Hillary Smith was most recent sports editor at The Times and she got married several years ago, becoming Hillary Bird. She kept her maiden name while at The Times, but when she left for new job she changed to her married name. All for branding purposes.
Calling for some answers on the men's basketball program????? Are you kidding me? What are you talking about?
Quote from: valpo64 on May 14, 2018, 02:19:16 PM
Calling for some answers on the men's basketball program????? Are you kidding me? What are you talking about?
What? What about the Men's program?
I am speaking to VU2010' s comment....what are you talking about? I do not understand his comment....what is your criticism of Coach L? You want answers to what question(s)?
Quote from: valpo64 on May 14, 2018, 03:36:36 PM
I am speaking to VU2010' s comment....what are you talking about? I do not understand his comment....what is your criticism of Coach L? You want answers to what question(s)?
Please see quote button. It helps when the original topic, and I'm probably the most guilty of this, gets changed and you refer to something several posts previous to your reply.
https://twitter.com/c_weinman15/status/996821121440731136
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Her best game was 34 pts against Northern AZ. She averaged 13 minutes per game for her freshman season.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 16, 2018, 03:20:45 PM
https://twitter.com/c_weinman15/status/996821121440731136
I assume someone is leaving as we were at 15.
Her first get on the recruiting trail and she looks like a good one who can contribute immediately. Good for coach Evans. She is out there looking for talent. I like the fact that, right out of the gate, she grabbed a game-proven transfer. That's a bit of a change in approach from the previous regime. However, she will need help, so hiring assistants is also important. Hope that is going along well.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 16, 2018, 08:40:49 PM
Her first get on the recruiting trail and she looks like a good one who can contribute immediately. Good for coach Evans. She is out there looking for talent. I like the fact that, right out of the gate, she grabbed a game-proven transfer. That's a bit of a change in approach from the previous regime. However, she will need help, so hiring assistants is also important. Hope that is going along well.
High school teammate of Morrison.
It is surprising that we have gone over a month with no assistants named.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2017-18/18274/evans-announces-trio-of-assistant-coaches/
Assistant coaches hired! Wide variety of experiences.
Here a snip from the release. I like the priorities Coach Evans has set.
Evans' staff will be comprised of Mary Gleason, Gabby Johnson and Tyeasha Moss. "The main thing I was looking for was people who were willing to work hard and understand what the Valpo experience is all about," Evans said. "First and foremost, I was seeking staff members who have a player-first mentality. They are going to come here and realize that getting our student-athletes better as people, basketball players and students is our highest priority. All of them have gone to NCAA Tournaments as players or coaches. That will bring a championship mentality to our team."
Looks like a very skilled staff, with HC experience, experiences at other academic institutions similar to Valpo, and getting to the tournament.
I look forward to the upcoming season and how this team progresses during the first year.
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Very impressive group of new Asst. Coaches. I like their varying backrounds in successful programs and with their "youth" I believe they will relate well to the team. Also their experiences in varying parts of the country could increase the size of our recruiting base. We wish you well , Ladies!
New scholarship offer for the women's team. This might be the first scholarship offer from the new staff.
https://twitter.com/ILLINOISELITE1/status/1001947781609779201
This looks to be a big improvement already! I'm excited! I think I'll be going to several of these.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/schedule/
Very heavily skewed to MAC and Summit - all pretty solid mid-majors with U of I from the B1G. The only non-DI is an exhibition. Interestingly, it comes at the end of the OOC season - prepping for the MVC tip off no doubt. Coach's MAC connections really showing through.
I like having the exhibition game going into conference play, after 10 days of practice, and time off for Christmas. A better of getting the rust out before MVC play comes. Looks like a favorably competitive schedule, now that we are near the end of our Horizon League recruits on the women's roster.
https://twitter.com/l_earnest22/status/1036749935121707008
Quote from: VU2014 on September 03, 2018, 09:35:27 PM
https://twitter.com/l_earnest22/status/1036749935121707008
Wow! Great get! This lady is a star. Watch her mixed tape:
http://www.hudl.com/profile/8717973/Leah-Earnest
Going into her Junior year so an early commit. It also appears from her twitter account that this was her first offer. Seems like a very good get so lets hope this verbal will stick if she gets more interest.
The atmosphere and perception of this program have completely changed. It's wonderful to see. Might have to go to some games this year.
A good article.
https://twitter.com/mnherald/status/1037031852077408258
Another commitment for Valpo WBB! This staff is really putting in the work.
https://twitter.com/caravankempen/status/1037145794141401088
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/6790819/5abad291ff01c80abca2ffbc
Got a shooter!
I believe a reserved roster spot means walk-on or non-scholarship. It would be pretty cool if Valpo Women's Basketball could offer AP's little sister a preferred walk-on roster spot on the team. I'm not sure if it's realistic but it would be awesome to have the Peters family back on campus. I've heard she's a pretty good player and a shooter like her older brother.
https://twitter.com/annepeters25/status/1048352570874499073
Quote from: VU2014 on October 05, 2018, 09:46:30 PM
I believe a reserved roster spot means walk-on or non-scholarship. It would be pretty cool if Valpo Women's Basketball could offer AP's little sister a preferred walk-on roster spot on the team. I'm not sure if it's realistic but it would be awesome to have the Peters family back on campus. I've heard she's a pretty good player and a shooter like her older brother.
https://twitter.com/annepeters25/status/1048352570874499073
Reserved roster spots in DIII are the same as "scholarship" spots at D-I or D-II. Since D-III can't give athletic scholarships, they offer reserved roster spots to those "preferred" recruits.
The newest commit
https://twitter.com/l_earnest22/status/1056305233389936643
The women dropped their season opener away at UIC by 10: 65-75. From the box score it looks like Valpo was slow out of the gate in both the 1st and 3rd quarters but won the 2nd and 4th quarters but couldn't put enough points in the bucket in the 4th to undo the 3rd quarter swoon.
Hoping for a better result against North Dakota in Sunday's home opener..
Watched the game on ESPN+. They played very hard and were aggressive on both ends of the floor. UIC had a kid get smoking hot from the 3 point line and had another make some circus shots on late shot clocks. This directly led to the L for Valpo. The freshman guard looks very good and the team plays much more together than they did in the past.
Nice crowd in the ARC today.. Valpo up 30-26 at the half. Everyone on the team has scored. Stoller leads with 7
Me and my big mouth. Third quarter starts with a 13-2 run, we go 1-12 shooting. 1:08 to go, down 7
Someone in the know help out here..
This team has 5 injured players.
What are we looking at specifically with Morrison and Konieczny.
It will be a very long season with them out.
Morrison and Profitt are out for the year I believe. ACL's. Koniecny has a back issue so assuming problem is figured out will be back. Richards I'm not sure about. Pitts played today at the end of the game. Are those the 5 you are talking about. The 6'5 center has still not played a game and is a red shirt freshman. Another lady is a transfer and not eligible til next year.
Women lost another close game tonight, 68-62, to Morehead State. If they didn't have to play the 3rd quarter in each game, they'd be in great shape. They have led at the half in 3 out of 4 games, and tied or won the 4th quarter in all 4 games! Only Illinois has had a lead against them going into the second half. However, in the four games thus far, Valpo has been outscored in the 3rd quarter by 82-37. Something different has to be done during halftime to get a better second-half start.
Throughout her career Hamlet will have an incredibly bad game maybe once
every five games. That was tonight 0-6
from the field with 6 turnovers.
If she plays at all they win.
Gutsy effort without no depth at all at
C or PF.
We have 6-5 redshirt freshman walk on who can't find
the floor even with no other subs available.
Quote from: valpopal on November 16, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
Women lost another close game tonight, 68-62, to Morehead State. If they didn't have to play the 3rd quarter in each game, they'd be in great shape. They have led at the half in 3 out of 4 games, and tied or won the 4th quarter in all 4 games! Only Illinois has had a lead against them going into the second half. However, in the four games thus far, Valpo has been outscored in the 3rd quarter by 82-37. Something different has to be done during halftime to get a better second-half start.
As I mentioned last time, the 3rd quarter was the key tonight. The women finally won the third quarter by 3 points against St. Francis Brooklyn, and they won their first game by 2 points, 78-76!
New coach stomping out a lot of bad habits. I know it's cliche but our record doesn't matter this year. How's the team look in mid to late January? How's the first full offseason of recruiting and training under this staff? Growth is the keyword for the next two years.
The two freshmen look impressive so far. Tracy's last recruiting class looking good so far. Glad they stuck with the program.
A few years back Miami and us were basically in the same place...bad with marginal coaching. They moved on a year before us and have seemingly turned it around. WNIT last year and better this year.
Hopefully we will get the same coaching change bounce.
A few questions to anyone who might know
We have 6 players hurt 3 for sure season ending what about the other 3 Konieczny Schofield and Meredith?
How does Hales go from 21 points to 35 minutes and one shot?
We have a 6-5 walk on who didn't play in the blowout. Are we afraid she will hurt herself? Seriously what is the story.
Quote from: valpopal on November 16, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
Women lost another close game tonight, 68-62, to Morehead State. If they didn't have to play the 3rd quarter in each game, they'd be in great shape. They have led at the half in 3 out of 4 games, and tied or won the 4th quarter in all 4 games! Only Illinois has had a lead against them going into the second half. However, in the four games thus far, Valpo has been outscored in the 3rd quarter by 82-37. Something different has to be done during halftime to get a better second-half start.
Attended the women's game today and they lost to a good Miami-Ohio team, but I also witnessed another calamitous 3rd quarter during which Valpo scored only 3 points!
A big loss for the women's team. Blood was a good young player.
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1074365177116667904?s=21
I was at the women's game, and they gave a gritty performance, losing 51-48, despite being down to only 7 players because of injuries and Bryce Blood leaving the university. In fact, after Stoller fouled out, they were down to 6 players. Unfortunately, this was a game they were expecting to win against North Dakota State, but the team was obviously fatigued in the second half and missed their last 7 shots, went only 1-14 in the 4th quarter, and even missed six free throws in the final quarter. Things will only be worse when they face tougher competition. Don't be surprised if one of the volleyball seniors gets a call to walk-on with the basketball team and wear a Valpo uniform one last semester.
Quote from: valpopal on December 16, 2018, 03:24:03 PM
I was at the women's game, and they gave a gritty performance, losing 51-48, despite being down to only 7 players because of injuries and Bryce Blood leaving the university. In fact, after Stoller fouled out, they were down to 6 players. Unfortunately, this was a game they were expecting to win against North Dakota State, but the team was obviously fatigued in the second half and missed their last 7 shots, went only 1-14 in the 4th quarter, and even missed six free throws in the final quarter. Things will only be worse when they face tougher competition. Don't be surprised if one of the volleyball seniors gets a call to walk-on with the basketball team and wear a Valpo uniform one last semester.
So we have 3 out for the year, 1 who has been out injured all season with no update. 2 who apparently got hurt a few weeks back with no update since and the 6-5 walk on who apparently only appears in team photographs. Plus 7 healthy and a redshirt.
You kind of expect with a coaching change players to leave. Blood leaving is a big loss, not one I expected.
We do not want Schofield or Meredith taking redshirt years so it is vital they get back.
Quote from: VU2014 on December 16, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
A big loss for the women's team. Blood was a good young player.
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1074365177116667904?s=21
Any word on why she left?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on December 16, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on December 16, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
A big loss for the women's team. Blood was a good young player.
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1074365177116667904?s=21
Any word on why she left?
Haven't heard anything. I didn't see this one coming. She seemed pretty close to the team on social media. Maybe she thought she wasn't a great roster fit? She played well and I thought she was one of the rising players in this program. Unfortunate and very untimely news for the Lady Crusaders.
Quote from: valpopal on December 16, 2018, 03:24:03 PM
I was at the women's game, and they gave a gritty performance, losing 51-48, despite being down to only 7 players because of injuries and Bryce Blood leaving the university. In fact, after Stoller fouled out, they were down to 6 players. Unfortunately, this was a game they were expecting to win against North Dakota State, but the team was obviously fatigued in the second half and missed their last 7 shots, went only 1-14 in the 4th quarter, and even missed six free throws in the final quarter. Things will only be worse when they face tougher competition. Don't be surprised if one of the volleyball seniors gets a call to walk-on with the basketball team and wear a Valpo uniform one last semester.
I did see the red-headed volleyball player, not Ketcham, on the bench for this NDSU game. I didn't think she was dressed but the plan may be to use her in the future.
Quote from: bbtds on December 17, 2018, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: valpopal on December 16, 2018, 03:24:03 PM
I was at the women's game, and they gave a gritty performance, losing 51-48, despite being down to only 7 players because of injuries and Bryce Blood leaving the university. In fact, after Stoller fouled out, they were down to 6 players. Unfortunately, this was a game they were expecting to win against North Dakota State, but the team was obviously fatigued in the second half and missed their last 7 shots, went only 1-14 in the 4th quarter, and even missed six free throws in the final quarter. Things will only be worse when they face tougher competition. Don't be surprised if one of the volleyball seniors gets a call to walk-on with the basketball team and wear a Valpo uniform one last semester.
I did see the red-headed volleyball player, not Ketcham, on the bench for this NDSU game. I didn't think she was dressed but the plan may be to use her in the future.
That would be Katherine Carlson, the player I was referencing, who was an all-league basketball player in high school and has a great spirit to add as well.
Quote from: valpopal on December 17, 2018, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: bbtds on December 17, 2018, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: valpopal on December 16, 2018, 03:24:03 PM
Don't be surprised if one of the volleyball seniors gets a call to walk-on with the basketball team and wear a Valpo uniform one last semester.
I did see the red-headed volleyball player, not Ketcham, on the bench for this NDSU game. I didn't think she was dressed but the plan may be to use her in the future.
That would be Katherine Carlson, the player I was referencing, who was an all-league basketball player in high school and has a great spirit to add as well.
and it is now official:
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Katherine Carlson was in uniform for Valpo tonight!
Just an observation-I noticed in Blood's last home game that,although she seemed to be giving maximum effort,it didn't appear that the coach was pleased with her,and her minutes were down considerably.Although I would expect some players to move on with the hiring of new coaches,I can't buy into that.Why would she have waited this long and not transferred much earlier?Just the interactions between player and coach I observed seem to me to indicate a scenario where the coach is unhappy with a player,not their own recruit,and fosters an environment stressful to both.I would sure like to see some clarification from coach,but really expect only polite doublespeak.
Quote from: hobarthogrider on December 20, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
Just an observation-I noticed in Blood's last home game that,although she seemed to be giving maximum effort,it didn't appear that the coach was pleased with her,and her minutes were down considerably.Although I would expect some players to move on with the hiring of new coaches,I can't buy into that.Why would she have waited this long and not transferred much earlier?Just the interactions between player and coach I observed seem to me to indicate a scenario where the coach is unhappy with a player,not their own recruit,and fosters an environment stressful to both.I would sure like to see some clarification from coach,but really expect only polite doublespeak.
hobarthogrider, it seems that you are very concerned about Bryce Blood and perhaps the way you think she was treated. I believe that all of your 3 posts have had to do with her leaving the program. Do you have something you want to tell us or get off of your chest? Those of us who are not associated with the WBB program, VU administration or Ms. Blood will never know exactly what happened in this situation. All anyone of us can do is speculate what happened and I don't believe that is a good thing.
Valpo lost 79-72 to a stronger Bowling Green team that out-rebounded the Crusaders 44-18. However, despite tying the team record by making 17 3-pointers, Valpo also only made 5 out of 14 free throws. Ultimately, the loss came down to the same problem seen so many times this year, a catastrophic 3rd quarter where Valpo was outscored 25-10. The 3rd quarters have been horrible all season long. If not for the 3rd quarters, Valpo would have a pretty good record, maybe 8-4 instead of 4-8. Perhaps the team should just remain on the bench during halftime and not go to the locker room because whatever happens during the intermission seems to be hurting rather than helping.
We only have 7 healthy bodies right now, so I will give them a pass for the moment.
What is causing all of these season-ending or long term injuries? Are the players not built to withstand a long season, or are they the types of girls who should have played more than just basketball growing up? Is Valpo Women's Basketball a textbook explanation of what has happened to youth and high school sports with too much emphasis on one sport as the way to get to college? Is it possible there are some strength and conditioning issues with the program that Bob Brooks has been running with the women's basketball program since the early 2000s?
One of the most common season-ending injuries among female athletes is ACL tears. There have been a multitude of studies that have disseted causes as well as treatments. Women tear ACLs at a rate anywhere from 2X to 10X that of male athletes depending on the sampling across these studies. It is generally accepted that part of this is due the skeletal-muscular differences between the male and female anatomy. I have a sense that WBB probably produces the largest amount of injuries per capita with soccer a close second and VB third, but that's just my gut with no facts to back it up. So, despite a strong strength training program, the deck is kinda stacked aganst both the trainers and the trainees.
Here is one article I quickly found that addresses cause as well as talks about ways to reduce the potential for these injuries.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/acl-tears-more-common-in-women-and-girls-2549223
I believe that most of the injuries occurred during the offseason, as well. I was looking forward to seeing if Morrison would vastly improve her shooting % during her SO year.
Wasn't valporun's question more to do with why does the Valpo WBB program have more injuries as compared to other WBB programs rather than why do women in general have more injuries than men?
Yes, but part of the linked article talked about programs using specific trainng protocols to address ACL tears. By inference, my point was that our training staff might or might not be following one of those protocols, yet, it is still a crap shoot because of female anatomical construction, individual variances within that range, and, to be sure, the selection of the correct program by the staff. And I cannot believe our staff is ignoring the issue. Heck, we could also be inadvertently recruiting players with "pre-existing conditions" who could skew our stats. Who knows.
As an aside, living in the Green Bay area, I get a lot of TV coverage of the UWGB WBB games. One observation I had was that it seems all of their players wear knee braces on both knees. I believe that is a preventive measure. I don't recall if Valpo does that.
A fairly easy victory as expected over IUNW. We actually had a 2 deep as Meredith returned as did our walk on. She actually got 5 minutes PT hitting 1 of 2 from 3 point range. Perhaps a 6-5 3 point specialist!
Dealt with these issues for years during my coaching career. It is absolutely a difference in skeletal make up. Women's hips line up and center differently then mens, over the lower body and put very different stress and pressure over the knees and lower back, which seem to be the bulk of the injuries for this team. There are very different exercise and stretching techniques targeted just for women, that greatly reduce these injuries. I'm certain this program doesn't utilize these. One very specific drill is where the athlete lays flat on the floor up against a wall, extending both legs vertically up the wall. It's important that the back remains flat to the floor. hold this position for 20 minutes. It's harder than it seems. This realigns the knees and hips. More than any other drill, this did the most to reduce injuries. Sounds simple, but many trainers don't know it.
How are we doing against Loyola....ValpoWBB just tweeted that we had just gone on a 10-0 run to cut the deficit to 18 at 60-42.
Lost 80-54.
After beating them 3 times last year, something has dramatically changes for one of the teams. I don't know the answer, somebody out there does. ???
We have some key players that are out for the entire season. This year is pretty much a chance to get some folks minutes, that might not have otherwise gotten them, so that we can be better prepared next season.
Quote from: valpotx on January 07, 2019, 12:12:58 AM
We have some key players that are out for the entire season. This year is pretty much a chance to get some folks minutes, that might not have otherwise gotten them, so that we can be better prepared next season.
The problem with that is Valpo WBB will be losing Meredith Hamlet to graduation and unless they immediately find a player much like Hamlet they could be even worse next year. We'll have to see what kind of recruiting Coach Evans can do with a full off season to get the players she feels can truly help the program.
I believe that the transfer from Denver will fill in nicely, and probably be a better shooter than Hamlet. As much as I like Meredith overall, she has never been a high % shooter.
This is a completely different system with kids recruited to play in a different system. It is much like a football coach who is spread system taking over a team better suited to power football. It will take time to get the right kids in place and coach up the present ones to play in this system.
And this is a much different situation than the men's team handoffs we've seen. This program has been a dumpster fire for the past three years. I'd say we have no idea how good the new coach is until about midway through year three.
Quote from: valpopal on December 21, 2018, 06:57:54 PM
Valpo lost 79-72 to a stronger Bowling Green team that out-rebounded the Crusaders 44-18. However, despite tying the team record by making 17 3-pointers, Valpo also only made 5 out of 14 free throws. Ultimately, the loss came down to the same problem seen so many times this year, a catastrophic 3rd quarter where Valpo was outscored 25-10. The 3rd quarters have been horrible all season long. If not for the 3rd quarters, Valpo would have a pretty good record, maybe 8-4 instead of 4-8. Perhaps the team should just remain on the bench during halftime and not go to the locker room because whatever happens during the intermission seems to be hurting rather than helping.
Another game, same sad story: women fall to UNI 71-52, but they basically lost once more with a terrible 3rd quarter during which they were outscored 21-4. I don't understand how this team can be so predictably awful in the 3rd quarter repeatedly throughout the season!
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 09, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
And this is a much different situation than the men's team handoffs we've seen. This program has been a dumpster fire for the past three years. I'd say we have no idea how good the new coach is until about midway through year three.
Honestly we have been bad for about 8 years starting with the last 3 of the Freeman era. There are some troubling signs however like the 3rd quarter letdowns. This weeks show Coach Evans suggested that there was a complete lack of effort in 3 quarters of the Loyola game yet despite that and losing by 20+ she didn't play the whole bench. If there is no penalty for lack of effort....
The lack of "effort" in the 3 period would suggest that, whatever they are doing in the locker room at half time isn't working. Their last coach struggled with the same issue, and outcome. Maybe it's time to find out what's going on at the half! Just saying>>>
Also, not that it would have made a difference in this game, but 62% from the stripe should not be acceptable. We need to be between 78% and 83%.
Quote from: jack on January 12, 2019, 06:59:39 AM
Also, not that it would have made a difference in this game, but 62% from the stripe should not be acceptable. We need to be between 78% and 83%.
A team shooting 80% seems prolific
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 12, 2019, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: jack on January 12, 2019, 06:59:39 AM
Also, not that it would have made a difference in this game, but 62% from the stripe should not be acceptable. We need to be between 78% and 83%.
A team shooting 80% seems prolific
Looked it up for men, only two teams in D1 achieved 80%
Incarnate Word 80.5%
NDSU 80.1%
I'm assuming women's teams shoot higher FT% than men's teams? I wouidn't at all be surprised, but not 83%.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 12, 2019, 09:43:13 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 12, 2019, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: jack on January 12, 2019, 06:59:39 AM
Also, not that it would have made a difference in this game, but 62% from the stripe should not be acceptable. We need to be between 78% and 83%.
A team shooting 80% seems prolific
Looked it up for men, only two teams in D1 achieved 80%
Incarnate Word 80.5%
NDSU 80.1%
I'm assuming women's teams shoot higher FT% than men's teams? I wouidn't at all be surprised, but not 83%.
78% as a team is very good for women. 83% is a stretch. 62% is not acceptable.
I wonder if this team will win again for the rest of the year. They need to recruit hard and build this team. I also think Dorow left a mess of a program.
https://twitter.com/interrante_ava/status/1085383592845471744?s=21
Wow, what a boneheaded play by one of our players at the end of regulation against Indiana State. We were up by 2 with 3 seconds left, and she fouls trying to steal it on the inbounds pass around half-court, leading to 2 made FTs. We then lose in OT. What a dumb play...
Bone head play?I'm not sure I agree with that analysis.I don't feel that one play,in any regard,determines the outcome of the game.In my opinion,the ladies played one of their best home games in the two years I have been following.They exhibited a lot of heart,and effort,at the close of regulation,and could very easily have won it.ISU hit some big 3's and free throws to pull it out.The ladies played their hearts out and you could see it on the bench.Kudos on a great team effort.That does not always translate to a W.
Poor 3rd quarter proved their undoing again!
Yes, bonehead play. I apologize if you have a connection to the program or the specific player, but trying for a steal on the inbounds play when you are near half court and up by 2 with 3 seconds left, that is not a smart play. Play it straight up, and make them beat you with a long shot at the buzzer. Outside of the overall great game that they played, that one play did take it from an almost assured win at that point in the game, to giving them the momentum heading into OT.
I can think of several boneheaded things that I did while playing baseball at Valpo, and you have to be able to admit it, or you won't be able to get back on track.
Totally boneheaded play! Learn from it, move on and win a game or two.
An impressive and much needed victory today over lowly Evansville, 93-49, and the team did it with a complete turnaround of fortune in the third quarter, which has been a big problem all season, by outscoring Evansville 35-7!
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Ummm, I think the women have a LONG way to go to get any near the top of the MVC. They were Destroyed by Missouri State. 108-63!!! :o A game where we were out-rebounded 48-22. Wow, just wow... :(
Quote from: vu72 on January 28, 2019, 07:36:53 AM
Ummm, I think the women have a LONG way to go to get any near the top of the MVC. They were Destroyed by Missouri State. 108-63!!! :o A game where we were out-rebounded 48-22. Wow, just wow... :(
Think about this we beat Evansville by over 40.
We are both short handed and just plain
short. At one point we had Meredith at PF and she is 5-8.
Of course we have a 6-5 player who you
would think might get some rebounds
just by standing there but down 40 she
didn't play until 2:10 was left in the game.
I don't understand how we have any game where Hales doesn't get 15 shots.
Listening to the coach this morning you would think we were in the last two games. The power of positive thinking perhaps.
Another season ending injury for the team. This time it's Hannah Schaub.
I am now starting to wonder if perhaps conditioning is an issue. Not necessarily the current coach, but of past years. Are all the women who are injured upperclassmen? Is it possible that these women were so far behind because of our past coaching team that this first year with the new coach is proving to be too intense?
Gutsy win tonight vs Bradley!!
Wow
Look at Freshman Shay Frederick box score
Stoller great game too
Quote from: Valpo2013 on February 01, 2019, 09:10:58 PM
Wow
Look at Freshman Shay Frederick box score
Stoller great game too
Funny thing is they won that game in the first quarter (27-13) and then outlasted Bradley by only giving up the lead at one point in the game, (third quarter) and winning the 4th quarter by one point to win the game by 3. If not for Frederick, a freshman starting for the first time due to Schaub's injury, and her hot shooting, 3 for 3 from three in the first quarter, Valpo doesn't have a chance at all to win that game.
Good win, and looked pretty good throughout. Amazing what happens when you a shoot a decent FG% :)
Valiant effort by the ladies, coming back from down 17 in the third, to almost take the lead with 4 seconds left in the game. We had a contested layup, got the offensive rebound right at the hoop without any contest on the follow-up shot, and she forced it too hard. Too bad, as that would have been a good win.
Quote from: valpotx on February 03, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Valiant effort by the ladies, coming back from down 17 in the third, to almost take the lead with 4 seconds left in the game. We had a contested layup, got the offensive rebound right at the hoop without any contest on the follow-up shot, and she forced it too hard. Too bad, as that would have been a good win.
You have to wonder how good this team can be next year with only losing a very talented Meredith and Allison but getting all that talent back from injury plus the players we know of coming in.
Quote from: vu72 on February 03, 2019, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 03, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Valiant effort by the ladies, coming back from down 17 in the third, to almost take the lead with 4 seconds left in the game. We had a contested layup, got the offensive rebound right at the hoop without any contest on the follow-up shot, and she forced it too hard. Too bad, as that would have been a good win.
You have to wonder how good this team can be next year with only losing a very talented Meredith and Allison but getting all that talent back from injury plus the players we know of coming in.
I have found over the years that, with the ladies program, available talent doesn't equate to a winning season. Too many times we have been beaten by less talented teams. And as I mentioned previously, not enough time and effort is going into conditioning with very specific drills designed exclusively for women. They need to bring someone on board that gets this. If not, the injuries will continue.
Quote from: jack on February 04, 2019, 08:35:02 AMnot enough time and effort is going into conditioning with very specific drills designed exclusively for women. They need to bring someone on board that gets this. If not, the injuries will continue.
And how do you know this? Because kids are getting injured? Or are you a coach in the program who disagrees with how things are done?
Quote from: valpowbb1 on February 04, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
Quote from: jack on February 04, 2019, 08:35:02 AMnot enough time and effort is going into conditioning with very specific drills designed exclusively for women. They need to bring someone on board that gets this. If not, the injuries will continue.
And how do you know this? Because kids are getting injured? Or are you a coach in the program who disagrees with how things are done?
I've coached ladies basketball for many years, and have hung up my whistle some time ago. I know and am familiar with many players that have played in this program and many others. I also know several personal trainers who work specifically with women athletes. Unlike male athletes, women athletes are very prone to injuries because of the way their hips align with their knees. There is a very specific training regiment that helps keep the hips and knees aligned to help avoid back and lower body injuries. This isn't something that the Valpo staff work on, along with many other schools. Strength training is just one part of it. The realignment work is key to keeping the body healthy and help avoid injuries. I follow many teams and don't believe I know of any that suffer the season ending injuries this program seems to. If I were part of this staff, I would certainly be exploring some changes in how they prepare.
Valpo women's basketball needs to get Vandy and Tennessee on the schedule next year. I think a healthy VUWBB could beat these sec teams
https://twitter.com/GuoBlue/status/1092198784178634752
Quote from: jack on February 04, 2019, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: valpowbb1 on February 04, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
Quote from: jack on February 04, 2019, 08:35:02 AMnot enough time and effort is going into conditioning with very specific drills designed exclusively for women. They need to bring someone on board that gets this. If not, the injuries will continue.
And how do you know this? Because kids are getting injured? Or are you a coach in the program who disagrees with how things are done?
I've coached ladies basketball for many years, and have hung up my whistle some time ago. I know and am familiar with many players that have played in this program and many others. I also know several personal trainers who work specifically with women athletes. Unlike male athletes, women athletes are very prone to injuries because of the way their hips align with their knees. There is a very specific training regiment that helps keep the hips and knees aligned to help avoid back and lower body injuries. This isn't something that the Valpo staff work on, along with many other schools. Strength training is just one part of it. The realignment work is key to keeping the body healthy and help avoid injuries. I follow many teams and don't believe I know of any that suffer the season ending injuries this program seems to. If I were part of this staff, I would certainly be exploring some changes in how they prepare.
Bob Brooks is in his first year of working with the women's basketball program. All of the players who are currently hurt or have been first suffered injuries during high school. Bob also works with the volleyball team and those players are healthy. Give him time to get his system in place.
Tracy Dorow didn't use Bob Brooks for strength and conditioning. Bob has worked with women's volleyball for the past 15 years and they've had very few injuries. He is a highly trained professional that Valpo is very lucky to have on their staff. To speculate that the ladies have had numerous injuries because of his training procedures is out of line.
Bob Brooks is the most qualified strength and conditioning coach at VU. He holds numerous degrees in strength and conditioning. Bob has brought in the likes of Ken Croner (Brett Favre personal strength coach) for advice. Bob has been with women's basketball for a short time and many of the girls allready had Injuries in high school before they ever got to campus. Brooks cares a lot about his job and the well being of the student-athletes. My personal experience with Mr Brooks has been fantastic. Please know that the women's basketball players are getting top notch strength and conditioning from one of the best! :troll:
Quote from: chef on February 05, 2019, 09:08:52 AM
Tracy Dorow didn't use Bob Brooks for strength and conditioning. Bob has worked with women's volleyball for the past 15 years and they've had very few injuries. He is a highly trained professional that Valpo is very lucky to have on their staff. To speculate that the ladies have had numerous injuries because of his training procedures is out of line.
To be clear, I was not singling out Bob, or any other trainer or strength coach. You are correct, a lot of injuries women face are reoccurring injuries from high school and earlier. There are still those that are not. I'm glad to hear they have brought someone on board to work on their strength and conditioning training. My point was, if this conditioning work doesn't include realignment exercises, it needs to. I have seen, first hand, the benefits of these exercises, which has always been far fewer injuries. That's a fact.
Quote from: chef on February 05, 2019, 09:08:52 AM
Tracy Dorow didn't use Bob Brooks for strength and conditioning. Bob has worked with women's volleyball for the past 15 years and they've had very few injuries. He is a highly trained professional that Valpo is very lucky to have on their staff. To speculate that the ladies have had numerous injuries because of his training procedures is out of line.
Seconded. Bob goes back to my time on campus, which is when he first started working with Valpo teams, after he did some fitness competing. He actually coached our JV baseball team for one season, as well.
Just wondering why there isn't any video of the women's game today vs UNI?
There was no video for the women's game because of how ESPNU had to have things set up for the coverage of the men's game today. It was mentioned in the game notes for today's game.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2018-19/18821/hoops-doubleheader-tips-off-with-women-hosting-uni/
From the box score: 3RD QTR SYNDROME...... again.
Detroit Piston Henry Ellenson was in the house yesterday supporting his sister
https://twitter.com/hollyjelle/status/1095025102813581312?s=21
Holy 50 point turnaround Batman. We lose to a completely dreadful UE squad.
Another total collapse in the 3rd quarter.
Injuries or not there is a problem here.
Yeah, that is a terrible loss. Evansville sucks at Women's Basketball...
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 15, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
Holy 50 point turnaround Batman. We lose to a completely dreadful UE squad.
Another total collapse in the 3rd quarter.
Injuries or not there is a problem here.
The one hope I have is that Coach Evans was in there grilling her players when they were making mistake after mistake and losing to an Evansville team that was much improved but not unbeatable. Evans was holding her team accountable. If she gets her players, such as players like Stoller, I think she can compete in the MVC. Maybe not like Drake or Missouri State but up in the top 5.
Something is missing here. We can't keep blaming the lack of talent for these dreadful losses. I get it that we have a new coach and program. We should still expect incremental improvement over the course of a season. There has been zero. Losing to a team like EU puts things into perspective. How is it that EU, as bad as they've been, has shown improvement, and yet we have not? The argument that the coach is dealing with "Dorow's players" is thin at best. We heard the same thing about Dorow dealing with Freeman's players, so wait until she gets her players. How'd that work out for us?
Dude, relax. There's been what? Five season ending injuries? For a time you have had a volleyball player getting meaningful minutes.
Now I'm not saying I'm sold on this coach. And quite frankly our ADs decisions in regards to the WBB coaching have been questionable at best. But considering how big of a dumpster fire things were under Dorow, I think we can give Evans a couple of seasons.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 18, 2019, 08:32:08 AM
Dude, relax. There's been what? Five season ending injuries? For a time you have had a volleyball player getting meaningful minutes.
Now I'm not saying I'm sold on this coach. And quite frankly our ADs decisions in regards to the WBB coaching have been questionable at best. But considering how big of a dumpster fire things were under Dorow, I think we can give Evans a couple of seasons.
Of course she deserves several years but it would be nice to see improvement as well.
And Carlson has not played meaningful minutes. Other than the exhibition game she has barely played a meaningful minute.
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 18, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 18, 2019, 08:32:08 AM
Dude, relax. There's been what? Five season ending injuries? For a time you have had a volleyball player getting meaningful minutes.
Now I'm not saying I'm sold on this coach. And quite frankly our ADs decisions in regards to the WBB coaching have been questionable at best. But considering how big of a dumpster fire things were under Dorow, I think we can give Evans a couple of seasons.
Of course she deserves several years but it would be nice to see improvement as well.
And Carlson has not played meaningful minutes. Other than the exhibition game she has barely played a meaningful minute.
My concern is the regression of the current players. You beat an Evansville team by 44 and then lose to the same team by 12? Sure Hannah played the first game and was out for the second, but that accounts for 6 points, not 56! What's up with that? :crazy:
My apologies on the stats. I guess the bottom line is I only have enough energy to worry about one of our basketball coaches at a time.
Quote from: IndyValpo on February 18, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 18, 2019, 08:32:08 AM
Dude, relax. There's been what? Five season ending injuries? For a time you have had a volleyball player getting meaningful minutes.
Now I'm not saying I'm sold on this coach. And quite frankly our ADs decisions in regards to the WBB coaching have been questionable at best. But considering how big of a dumpster fire things were under Dorow, I think we can give Evans a couple of seasons.
Of course she deserves several years but it would be nice to see improvement as well.
And Carlson has not played meaningful minutes. Other than the exhibition game she has barely played a meaningful minute.
My cousin in Valpo has met Katherine Carlson and her parents and has found them extremely engaging, very nice people. He really admires Carlson for going through a grueling VB season and then stepping right into the WBB season when needed (the departure of Bryce Blood). This is not like VB setter Brittany Anderson who gets some time, not a whole lot, before the softball season begins.
https://twitter.com/ZMZacker/status/1104591280280162309
Zoe could be a real steal if she can stay healthy. Already has had 3 ACL surgeries but did have a previous offer from Wisconsin.
On a positive note, our women's team avenged the men's loss to Loyola yesterday, beating the women's Loyola team at the ARC. I really think this team could be something very good next year, once three injured starters return.
Quote from: vu72 on March 10, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
Zoe could be a real steal if she can stay healthy. Already has had 3 ACL surgeries but did have a previous offer from Wisconsin.
On a positive note, our women's team avenged the men's loss to Loyola yesterday, beating the women's Loyola team at the ARC. I really think this team could be something very good next year, once three injured starters return.
Is there any chance that she plays a full season knowing her knee issues? Seems akin to offering Burton (academics) and hoping things change. Suppose that's what a mid-major has to do, take some risk.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 10, 2019, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: vu72 on March 10, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
Zoe could be a real steal if she can stay healthy. Already has had 3 ACL surgeries but did have a previous offer from Wisconsin.
On a positive note, our women's team avenged the men's loss to Loyola yesterday, beating the women's Loyola team at the ARC. I really think this team could be something very good next year, once three injured starters return.
Is there any chance that she plays a full season knowing her knee issues? Seems akin to offering Burton (academics) and hoping things change. Suppose that's what a mid-major has to do, take some risk.
A better comparison might be Marlee Profit who came in after a HS school injury and has missed 2 of 3 years with additional injuries...hope not.
Hard to find much info but she is 5-9 and played on a very good team. We still need to find front court depth. Hopefully Morrison and Profit will be healthy. Sadly I doubt the latter.
You have to take a chance on Zoe's health given her talent. High School elites has her ranked #7 in the state and she had three Big Ten offers.
Dani Franklin hired as Valpo women's bb coach.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2018-19/19113/dani-franklin-joins-valpo-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/
I think this is a good move. The writeup chronicles all her honors and, wow, there are a bunch of them. Good to have her back.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 08, 2019, 12:18:17 PM
Dani Franklin hired as Valpo women's bb coach.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2018-19/19113/dani-franklin-joins-valpo-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/
I think this is a good move. The writeup chronicles all her honors and, wow, there are a bunch of them. Good to have her back.
Excellent hire by Mary. I was around the program throughout Dani's career, and I've never heard someone say a negative thing about Dani. She loves Valpo and will be a great asset in recruiting. It says a lot about Dani that she earned this job even though she didn't play for the current head coach, so she didn't have a prior relationship with Mary. Mary has mentioned wanting players like Addison Stoller. There's no better way to enhance that culture than to bring back to the person who was Addison's role model within the program. Can't wait for '19-'20.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 08, 2019, 12:18:17 PM
Dani Franklin hired as Valpo women's bb coach.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2018-19/19113/dani-franklin-joins-valpo-womens-basketball-coaching-staff/
I think this is a good move. The writeup chronicles all her honors and, wow, there are a bunch of them. Good to have her back.
Agreed this is a good move and brings post experience to the table. Unfortunately we did not add any C/PF
depth. Hopefully Morrison and Profit can contribute minutes as Ellenson and Stoller fouled out 27 times last year with no subs per se.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/wbasketball/news/2018-19/19099/white-mackay-zacker-join-valpo-womens-basketball-program/
One recruit made official plus we have added a second transfer from Denver.
https://twitter.com/barrybradford3/status/1127926589180846081
Leaving aside Mr. Bradford's (now former) association with Valpo, posts like these, whatever the connection to the student (AAU, etc) are just so freaking creepy.
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 13, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
https://twitter.com/barrybradford3/status/1127926589180846081
Honestly what the coach did to her this year is sad. After losing Blood early we had zero subs for under the basket except her. Despite losing 8 games by more than 20 plus 3 games by 19 and winning 2 games by over 20 and despite having Ellenson and Stoller foul out 27 times she was played 8 minutes in 3 games. She is a walk-on and obviously not very good but still...
Quote from: IndyValpo on May 13, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 13, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
https://twitter.com/barrybradford3/status/1127926589180846081
Honestly what the coach did to her this year is sad. After losing Blood early we had zero subs for under the basket except her. Despite losing 8 games by more than 20 plus 3 games by 19 and winning 2 games by over 20 and despite having Ellenson and Stoller foul out 27 times she was played 8 minutes in 3 games. She is a walk-on and obviously not very good but still...
I don't often watch women's basketball so I'm going from a position of ignorance here. But isn't there a cataclysmic drop off in talent in women's b-ball going from scholarship player to walk-on?
Our coach isn't hired to be fair, she's hired to win games.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 13, 2019, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on May 13, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 13, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
https://twitter.com/barrybradford3/status/1127926589180846081
Honestly what the coach did to her this year is sad. After losing Blood early we had zero subs for under the basket except her. Despite losing 8 games by more than 20 plus 3 games by 19 and winning 2 games by over 20 and despite having Ellenson and Stoller foul out 27 times she was played 8 minutes in 3 games. She is a walk-on and obviously not very good but still...
I don't often watch women's basketball so I'm going from a position of ignorance here. But isn't there a cataclysmic drop off in talent in women's b-ball going from scholarship player to walk-on?
Our coach isn't hired to be fair, she's hired to win games.
I have no argument with that. But when we are losing by 20-40 points giving the end of the bench a couple of minutes is not going to derail our improvement.
I am sure that she is a nice person, but she was very very slow. She wasn't going to contribute any significant minutes in her Valpo career, so she is making the right choice. She would do better in D3.
Quote from: IndyValpo on May 13, 2019, 10:19:13 PMI have no argument with that. But when we are losing by 20-40 points giving the end of the bench a couple of minutes is not going to derail our improvement.
True, but with three starters on the bench with injuries. This year could be a lot of fun!