Somebody had to start this thread.
Missing my 11th game in 32 years. Thanks to Mike For letting me enjoy two of my grandchildren birthdays.
Let's run these guys out of the gym.
What does SIU-E bring to the Homer Drew Court in 2018?
Wait, why no tv? I thought I saw that it was on Espn + at one point?
Quote from: govalpogo on November 19, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
Wait, why no tv? I thought I saw that it was on Espn + at one point?
Wait for it....... it may appear tomorrow on the Valpo Athletic website or on game day morning.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 19, 2018, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on November 19, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
Wait, why no tv? I thought I saw that it was on Espn + at one point?
Wait for it....... it may appear tomorrow on the Valpo Athletic website or on game day morning.
Valpo Athletics site says ESPN+
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/schedule/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/schedule/)
82-65 Valpo Victory
Tah dah!
Actually I saw the listing at the top of the site and all it said this afternoon was that there would only be audio and stats. But that happens frequently. It gets updated as things develop.
I have ESPN+ so it better be shown on there... I'd be pretty surprised if we can't find a way to win this one. (We better see Jay sitting on the bench for this game...)
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Yep ... listed on ESPN+...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181120/b24c1de1129c4c92b56fde05db0e349e.jpg)
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Valpo wins by 25 point. There is no excuse to lose this game (but I said the same thing about the UIndy game though...).
I'm expecting we'll see Daniel Sackey get some extended run in this game if the key role players take care of business early. Hopefully Jay can make his season debut and at least play a little bit.
I really want to see Mileek get some extended minutes as well. He just needs to learn to not foul. One or two of those fouls in the wake forest game looked suspect to me.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 19, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
Valpo wins by 25 point. There is no excuse to lose this game (but I said the same thing about the UIndy game though...).
I'm expecting we'll see Daniel Sackey get some extended run in this game if the key role players take care of business early. Hopefully Jay can make his season debut and at least play a little bit.
I really want to see Mileek get some extended minutes as well. He just needs to learn to not foul. One or two of those fouls in the wake forest game looked suspect to me.
As in the past, it'll not be a Lottich decision; it'll be totally in Mileek's hands (or feet). If he can defend without fouling three times in 4 minutes he'll play at least 4 minutes, if he can defend without piling up 3 fouls in 7 minutes, he'll play seven minutes.
What I don't get is how come we have seen little or no improvement in this particular area over his freshman season. This is the one area that was incredibly obvious as a prime target for improvement. He's fiiled out some, gotten stronger and with that should come greater agility and power. Couple that with the coaches intensely (I hope) working on his footwork, positioning and defensive technique since he walked on campus a year ago in 2017 and we should be seeing a quantum leap in defensive performance. Could it be that he has trouble recognizing movement patterns and anticipating what is happening around him and, as a result, is slow to react which leads to the fouling?
In the "Good News" category :)
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Quote from: valpopal on November 20, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
In the "Good News" category :)
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At the time he missed being on the bench I had thought maybe his father was ill again? Complete conjecture, but seems as if maybe he was not on campus and Paul's tweet makes me feel stronger about this hunch.
Hope all is well with him, I like his play and what he brings to the team (rebounding / blocks and general toughness). He's a nice "yin" to Smits' "yang" . . .
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2018, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 19, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
Valpo wins by 25 point. There is no excuse to lose this game (but I said the same thing about the UIndy game though...).
I'm expecting we'll see Daniel Sackey get some extended run in this game if the key role players take care of business early. Hopefully Jay can make his season debut and at least play a little bit.
I really want to see Mileek get some extended minutes as well. He just needs to learn to not foul. One or two of those fouls in the wake forest game looked suspect to me.
As in the past, it'll not be a Lottich decision; it'll be totally in Mileek's hands (or feet). If he can defend without fouling three times in 4 minutes he'll play at least 4 minutes, if he can defend without piling up 3 fouls in 7 minutes, he'll play seven minutes.
What I don't get is how come we have seen little or no improvement in this particular area over his freshman season. This is the one area that was incredibly obvious as a prime target for improvement. He's fiiled out some, gotten stronger and with that should come greater agility and power. Couple that with the coaches intensely (I hope) working on his footwork, positioning and defensive technique since he walked on campus a year ago in 2017 and we should be seeing a quantum leap in defensive performance. Could it be that he has trouble recognizing movement patterns and anticipating what is happening around him and, as a result, is slow to react which leads to the fouling?
I think we've seen subtle improvements to his game in the limited minutes he's played. Maybe the fouling comes down to basketball instincts or lack of experience at his position.
Mileek grew up playing basketball as a guard and then had a rapid growth spurt later in his high school career, which forced him to switch positions. He has some guard skills which help him on the offensive end but maybe it negatively affected him on the defensive end. M would know this better than anyone but I think he played out of position at the 5 in high school at Merriville. Defending high school centers and D1 bigs is a night at day difference. Did he have the propensity to foul so much in high school?
Mileek's development is a marathon and not a sprint. We all knew he was prettty raw coming out of high school. The potential is clearly there but the foul troubles are just a little frustrating at the moment.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 20, 2018, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: valpopal on November 20, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
In the "Good News" category :)
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At the time he missed being on the bench I had thought maybe his father was ill again? Complete conjecture, but seems as if maybe he was not on campus and Paul's tweet makes me feel stronger about this hunch.
Hope all is well with him, I like his play and what he brings to the team (rebounding / blocks and general toughness). He's a nice "yin" to Smits' "yang" . . .
Where did he go? Did he leave campus for personal reasons or treatment? Oddly phrased and leaves some room for interpretation.
I'm wondering where his cardio is at. He probably won't be at full speed for a couple games. I doubt he was doing much conditioning with a bad ankle.
This one's got to be counted on as a W. Would be very disappointed with anything under a double digit win...not really satisfied if it's not at least a 20 point win. SIUe has losses to Pacific and Winthrop by 9 and 12 respectively. Looking at scores, those two programs don't seem inept, but aren't setting the world on fire either.
May see some final kinks trying to get worked out, I'll say Valpo wins 83-61.
I guess he was rehabbing the injury in Spain with the national team doctors. That has to be a great resource.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1064981915462062080
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
I guess he was rehabbing the injury in Spain with the national team doctors. That has to be a great resource.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1064981915462062080
Did he attend classes and submit work all remotely and is that OK by NCAA rules to maintain eleigibility? Wonderful if that's OK.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
I guess he was rehabbing the injury in Spain with the national team doctors. That has to be a great resource.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1064981915462062080
Did he attend classes and submit work all remotely and is that OK by NCAA rules to maintain eleigibility? Wonderful if that's OK.
I'm sure Valpo did all their homework to make sure this was fine from an eligibility standpoint and that he was staying in good academic standing. No reason to think otherwise.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
I guess he was rehabbing the injury in Spain with the national team doctors. That has to be a great resource.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1064981915462062080
Did he attend classes and submit work all remotely and is that OK by NCAA rules to maintain eleigibility? Wonderful if that's OK.
At a lot of Power 5 Conferences a lot of the students take online courses and rarely step foot in a classroom their entire "academic" career. Apparently that's what a lot of the programs that pump out NBA do these days (ex: Kentucky). It reduces the academic commitment and makes it very easy for them to remain eligible. Not much school work happens.
I'm sure Jay was able submit his course work electronically and he may have even been able to live stream or record his lectures. I'm not sure how much class he missed though. I don't know how long he was in Spain for. I hope the jet lag doesn't affect him too much.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 20, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
I'm sure Valpo did all their homework to make sure this was fine from an eligibility standpoint and that he was staying in good academic standing. No reason to think otherwise.
To be on the safe side, maybe they should self-report this and voluntarily hold him out until such time the NCAA rules on his case.
Quote from: wh on November 20, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 20, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
I'm sure Valpo did all their homework to make sure this was fine from an eligibility standpoint and that he was staying in good academic standing. No reason to think otherwise.
To be on the safe side, maybe they should self-report this and voluntarily hold him out until such time the NCAA rules on his case.
Hey Paul, can we look forward to a USH podcast this week?
WH, you don't go far enough. This is the NCAA and we are a mid major. I recommend Jay retire and refuse to ever pick up a basketball again, then enter into a monastery for a period of no less than 20 years, living out his penance with daily fasting and self flagelation. On the fourth day of each month, he shall proceed to the highest mountain in the land (Mount Baldy) and invoke the names of the last 17 NCAA Directors, begging for forgiveness from his transgressions of once thinking about sleeping in and missing class after a double overtime win against Purdue Northwest.
Assuming he does all this, we may only receive 25 years probation and have to forfeit all our past victories to Oral Roberts.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on November 20, 2018, 08:31:14 PM
WH, you don't go far enough. This is the NCAA and we are a mid major. I recommend Jay retire and refuse to ever pick up a basketball again, then enter into a monastery for a period of no less than 20 years, living out his penance with daily fasting and self flagelation. On the fourth day of each month, he shall proceed to the highest mountain in the land (Mount Baldy) and invoke the names of the last 17 NCAA Directors, begging for forgiveness from his transgressions of once thinking about sleeping in and missing class after a double overtime win against Purdue Northwest.
Assuming he does all this, we may only receive 25 years probation and have to forfeit all our past victories to Oral Roberts.
Still laughing! :clap:
Betting line opens with Valpo -15, I really hope we cover, but I'll take any win at this point. Can we get Sackey some late game minutes and maybe he'll make a jumper and not airball it :o Love his quickness. Also if someone could talk to Bakari and tell him to avoid ill-advised 3s that'd be great. Juniors should know better, and WE NEED A LEADER! Po' by 24.
VU-88
SIUE-64
Expecting a pretty sparse crowd. Both Chesterton and Valpo High schools have their first games of the year, both at home.
May be sparse crowd tonight but I think Marcus Liberty may be there.
We will have low crowd energy. Not blaming anyone. It's just the timing.
So maybe that means less of a home court advantage. I will take the points, but not by much. Valpo by 18.
It's early but it looks like i donated my money by taking Valpo -15
We are being outrebounded... Again... ::) >:( :'(
And outscored... This is unacceptable.
Williford killing us. Would like to see speed on speed with Sackey.
SIUE's zone is stumping us.
I'm envious of the SIUE's ball movement that lead to some open shots. At one point one of the announcers said we must move the ball to create more open looks.
Is it fair to say we have more talent than SIUE? I think we do, but we are losing....that falls on the staff.
SIUE 14-27 FG 1-9 3PT May I suggest playing some zone to force them to shoot from the outside?
Waiting for someone to show up to play in a Valpo uniform tonight. Edwardsville came to play...where's their opponent?!
Seriously, though, just some lazy and boneheaded play in the first half. Wake up and take care of business.
How are we getting outrebounded???
Down by 2 at halftime. This is concerning to say the least. Any bigs we bring in as freshman next season have a legit shot to beat these guys out for minutes. We need a defensive minded big.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 07:55:17 PM
How are we getting outrebounded???
Down by 2 at halftime. This is concerning to say the least. Any bigs we bring in as freshman next season have a legit shot to beat these guys out for minutes. We need a defensive minded big.
IMO we need a defensive-minded transfer or JC big that can walk in and tell these guys to get out of my way, I've got this. Tiny SIUE is 1-9 from 3, but 13-19 from 2. They have 22 points in the paint. This is a team that's picked last in the OVC, no less.
tuned in at Halftime and you've got to be kidding me.
Somebody in a Crusader uniform step up and take this game over... Please...
Now they catch fire from 3... This is not good.
need a rim protector to keep the little wiliford from driving into the lane
We better not launch a terrible look from 3. Need discipline and get a good shot.
Overtime... Wow... We better win this game that's all I can say... Or I will be in a very grumpy mood this Thanksgiving...
Well.......we didn't lose.
Well, here's the positive: you can always recover from a bad win. Also, there are no bad wins.
Get it together, eat some turkey, and go beat WVU. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
One word to describe that game: maddening. We weren't ready and it almost bit us. I don't care if SIUE is vastly improved. This game shouldn't have been that close. I don't know if we were looking back at Wake Forest or ahead to West Virginia but we have a lot to fix before Saturday's game if we don't want to get run off the floor. Same issues as always and the free throw shooting was atrocious. I just hope we can keep the next game respectable.
I will say positively that I liked the scoring balance shown in this game. All starters in double figures and a total of 7 Crusaders scored at least 6 points. Evelyn finally woke up Fazekas shot well. Lavender and Freeman weren't fantastic but they weren't horrible either and they were there down the stretch when we needed them. Hoping for better overall play ahead and that this is the last time a game is this frustrating. Now let's go surprise some people and get ourselves a marquee P5 win. Go Valpo!
Take the names off of the Jerseys and I'd say the old Homer Drew saying, "We were treated to a great, exciting game of college basketball tonight." Unfortunately, we know the names on the Jerseys and the expectations that go along with them so the result is far FAR from satisfying (though worlds better than taking an L).
Perhaps without the UIndy game, Valpo doesn't dig deep to find the grit to fend off an upset minded opponent. Much credit to SIUe, particularly Williford and Williams who were playing with confidence and hitting clutch shots down the stretch, even a couple that were well defended! Fortunately for us, the magic ran out on their last possession and didn't carry through in OT.
At halftime, I was really down on Evelyn...I have since changed my tune and give him props for making the shots he needed to and for getting to the line.
The real question for me as a fan: "Is this kind of performance really indicative of the actual skill level of our team or is it the result of this team's maddening tendency to play to the level of their competition?" And as we all have seen, the basement is much deeper than the ceiling is tall when we do that.
Take the W and don't look back!
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
I'm beginning to think there's a chemistry issue here. I'm not sure who projected less energy: the team, the fans, or the announcer. Very rarely have I seen the ARC so dead.
And spare me the VHS was playing talk. That's a reason, not an excuse. Can't believe many other quality mid majors get their attendance cut in half because the local high school is playing, no matter how good they are.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on November 21, 2018, 09:49:46 PMI'm beginning to think there's a chemistry issue here. I'm not sure who projected less energy: the team, the fans, or the announcer. Very rarely have I seen the ARC so dead. And spare me the VHS was playing talk. That's a reason, not an excuse. Can't believe many other quality mid majors get their attendance cut in half because the local high school is playing, no matter how good they are.
What sticks out to you chemistry wise that may be an issue?
Team had zero energy to start the game. Thankfully Freeman changed his shoes at halftime and put in a decent 2nd half. Bakari made his first appearance of the year in the 2nd half too.
Mileek didn't pick up his first foul until midway through the 2nd half. Luckily Fazekas picked up the slack in the silly fouls department.
Gameday experience stinks and I'm getting tired of having to move the damn ticket tables at the end of the game so people can leave because the staff is too lazy to do it.
Spending Thanksgiving week in Gatlinburg, TN and only followed the radio feed. I don't know who the young guys are who did the play-by-play and color, but they did an admirable job covering for Todd. They also asked Luke some pointed questions in the postgame. Great to see young people developing a new skill set and delivering under pressure.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 21, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on November 21, 2018, 09:49:46 PMI'm beginning to think there's a chemistry issue here. I'm not sure who projected less energy: the team, the fans, or the announcer. Very rarely have I seen the ARC so dead. And spare me the VHS was playing talk. That's a reason, not an excuse. Can't believe many other quality mid majors get their attendance cut in half because the local high school is playing, no matter how good they are.
What sticks out to you chemistry wise that may be an issue?
I'm not down on chemistry. These early OOC games are where team leadership and chemistry develops. Look at the 2nd half...
Bakari + Freeman
8/13 FG
6/7 FT
In the first half these two players let teammates take chances and shots. Crunch time shows me
1) Bakari + Freeman have good positive chemistry together (a lot of back pats and supportive gesturing)
2) Golder is our lock down defender with Freeman
3) Lavender is a gamer. 9 rebounds from the PG position
Add in a healthy Sorolla and we solidify the Offense (Smits) and Defense (Sorolla) with the run and gun McMillan and we have chemistry developing in front of us.
My biggest concern was letting Williford and Williams go unchecked for the first 30-minutes.
Golder should've been on 24 then...that guy was killin.
Quote from: M on November 21, 2018, 10:02:49 PMGameday experience stinks.
I'm very sorry to hear this. It seemed like they were making a real attempt to address this based on offseason developments. Hopefully it will get better with time and when the students are back on campus.
The high school band did an admirable job. But the whole place today was just dead. The bald on top ref did his best to get the crowd going though.
I'm not going to make excuses for the lackluster crowd though there are several valid\semi-valid ones. Hopefully we can notch a few good wins and start MVC play on the right foot to get folks to come out.
What exactly was this marketing company we hired supposed to do? I see no change in the game management side of things. No promotions during time outs but I won't really miss those. Still a bunch of energy breaking Family Express commercials during media timeouts. Not seeing a local advertising push.... just trying to figure out what exactly has changed.
Some random observations
We really struggled against the zone. I wasn't expecting that.
Sackey will probably not hit 20% shooting from 3.
Fazekas has very little inside offense as a 4.
Lavender will always be more effective against man vs zone defenses.
We need our full 11 man roster which will include Jay and Micah because both will be contributors.
Until Jay returns Mileek is stuck in the backup 5 position. I only bring this up because I want to see how he has progressed as a 4.
Wining ugly is better than losing ugly and the turkey is better when you don't have a bitter taste in your mouth. :thumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaI6Wc8kS_w&feature=youtu.be
https://twitter.com/dsackey_4/status/1065473169019023365
Going to check my pessimism until Jay gets back. Sad to hear that Micah had a setback. I think that we need all the pieces to improve on last season.
We shall see.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 11:16:19 PM
https://twitter.com/dsackey_4/status/1065473169019023365
Daniel essentially posted a tweet saying the game was embarrassing. It looks like he deleted the tweet quickly.
Have to say Smits has played better in the the last three games or so than I expected. Maybe hearing people say both Jay and Maleek moved ahead of him on the depth chart lit a fire under him. Hope it carries forward. He seems to have taken advantage of his opportunities for more playing time.
Quote from: nkvu on November 22, 2018, 12:08:58 AM
Have to say Smits has played better in the the last three games or so than I expected. Maybe hearing people say both Jay and Maleek moved ahead of him on the depth chart lit a fire under him. Hope it carries forward. He seems to have taken advantage of his opportunities for more playing time.
Smits has played better. He's always played pretty well on the offensive end but the defense and rebound we need more from him. Rebounding is such a glaring weakness right now and we need guys like him to step up. It's going to be a real problem if Sorolla can't provide a substantial upgrade in that department when he makes his return.
It sounds like Coach held Sorolla back today in a last minute decision. We won the game which is great but man could we have used him today. It paid off in the end because Jay got to rest a few more days on that ankle.
After the Wake Forest game I posted a critical list of observed coaching weaknesses. This was largely disregarded or passively aggressively referenced because individual players themselves performed decently well . I unfortunately only continued to witness these problems in last nights game. Major ones from tonights game.
Recent Valpo coaching tenets:
1) little investment or success n developing players over multiple years.
2) Defense / rebounding remains subpar.
3) little investment or success in free throw shooting
4) team continues to live or die by the 3
5) Continued inability to learn from previous mistakes.
These are systemic weakneses of the new Valpo program that will only be addressed if fans and the team are honest with themselves. Just because the team played moderately well against Wake Forest but still displayed these serious coaching problems is a nod to the potential talent of our players.
My concern with us Valpo fans is that we seem to be willing to accept core coaching and team culture problems for the sake of small wins or near misses (e.g. Wake Forest). Im also concerned that we refuse to be critical of our coaching staff (well paid, mature adults) but are more keen to be critical of individual players ( students).
Ok, I know it's Thanksgiving and we're usually respectful on this board, but that list seems more trollish than anything. I kept expecting to find "Score more points than the other team" on your little list.
Read the board. We all know how stale this offense can be (high ball screen, high ball screen, wait for it.......high ball screen.) And if you can go five posts in a game thread without seeing someone (usually me) complaining about lack of player development or rebounding you're not looking hard enough.
I think it is unlikely we fully appreciate the effects of missing Sorolla/Bradford has had on this team. It is not like either is a superstar but it is obvious we will be better when McMillan plays more minutes at the 4, Fazekas plays more time at the 3, and Bradford takes up a lot of the Kiser/Sackey minutes.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 22, 2018, 08:58:46 AM
I think it is unlikely we fully appreciate the effects of missing Sorolla/Bradford has had on this team. It is not like either is a superstar but it is obvious we will be better when McMillan plays more minutes at the 4, Fazekas plays more time at the 3, and Bradford takes up a lot of the Kiser/Sackey minutes.
This boils things down to their essence because everything changes. As much as we love Kiser he will rarely see the floor. Golder will need to penetrate effectively to maintain his minutes. Sackey will still be played but only situationally. Everybody else will get longer stretches of rest on the bench which means every second on the floor must be at 100%. I like it!
IF Jay has improved as much as Smits and IF McMillan has improved to the same degree with his play as a 4 then look out!
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Spending Thanksgiving week in Gatlinburg, TN and only followed the radio feed. I don't know who the young guys are who did the play-by-play and color, but they did an admirable job covering for Todd. They also asked Luke some pointed questions in the postgame. Great to see young people developing a new skill set and delivering under pressure.
The student broadcasters on WVUR on Wednesday were Ben Ariano and Garrett Willis. Ben is the sports director and can often be heard on both our men's and women's broadcasts. He's done a really nice job putting out a good product even with a small staff where a lot of the work falls on him. Garrett is a freshman who is also on our men's golf team and had a really good fall season. I'm hopeful we continue to attract sports broadcasting students to Valpo as not many student radio stations are the exclusive radio broadcast for Division I basketball, get to interview the associate head coach (or head coach for women's) on air right after games, travel with the women's team, get a ton of play-by-play reps, etc. I did all of our women's basketball games during undergrad and even though I didn't specifically end up doing broadcasting, there's no doubt it helped lead to my current job at Valpo. I'm glad that with Todd & Dave doing ESPN3/+, the opportunity has become available for the students to add men's basketball radio for home games to their on-air opportunities.
I agree VUME! I have been criticized for criticizing the coaching.
I have not researched the number but does it seem like our average scoring per game has been down the last couple years?
Lack of ball movement and set plays.
Was anyone else aware that Bakari was coming back from surgery? I knew he was pretty banged up last season but I didn't know he had offseason surgery.
https://twitter.com/coach_cboswell/status/1065654991493316608?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on November 22, 2018, 11:41:36 AM
Was anyone else aware that Bakari was coming back from surgery? I knew he was pretty banged up last season but I didn't know he had offseason surgery.
https://twitter.com/coach_cboswell/status/1065654991493316608?s=21
Not Bakari that I know. Fazekas had shoulder or elbow surgery right?
I remember someone posting that Bakari was wearing a boot cast on his foot due to ankle surgery during July open gym.
Smits is much improved on offense, but his proclamation to Vashil about hoping to break his blocks record, now looks as possible as me not saying Buck Futler ever again :)
If a team can't shoot well, including free throws, they will have trouble winning games...period! So far, we are not shooting well.
I have to agree: the free throw shooting in particular was atrocious Wednesday. Compared to their previous games this year, they shot fairly well from outside. Hopefully we see improvement in both areas.