A very important final 6 games for Valpo. It all begins with Indiana State at home on Wednesday. Indiana State (4-8) is coming off an atrocious performance against Bradley, 96-67. We need to finish strong to stay out of the Thursday game at Arch Madness.
Glad you were able to start the thread this time since there are some folks who believe in superstition over basketball fundamentals. Won't make that mistake again.
Quote from: VU2010 on February 12, 2019, 08:09:49 AM
Glad you were able to start the thread this time since there are some folks who believe in superstition over basketball fundamentals. Won't make that mistake again.
People were just having a little fun with the superstition thing. Your post to open the Loyola game was excellent. Keep leading!
Indiana State kind of took it to us in the paint at their place. Need to get some payback.
The keys to slowing down this Indiana State team always seems to be containing Key and Barnes. Indiana State is sort of an enigma. They have way more talent than their record suggests.
Remember last year when we played .500 ball against the top 6 teams of the league but got swept by the bottom half? (math isn't exact there but it was something like that)
Yeah, we can't let that happen with these ISUB/Evansville home games! We have a favorable schedule to close out MVC play with 3 winnable home games and 3 road games where there is at least a chance.
We have 1 win in the past 3 weeks. Time to get back into the win column. Some very winnable games coming up. Time to get hot again. Let's get hungry for a win! Go Valpo!
Lol, why so serious 2010?
Sounds like Fazekas will be back! Gimme a 65-55 win.
Finally! Best news I've heard in weeks!
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1095425106992615425
Lol I think we should give 2014 credit for this post since Ryan is seemingly back!
I doubt that Ryan will see big minutes so will he start? Mileek gave us 10 excellent minutes vs Loyola. Might he get a start?
Quote from: justducky on February 12, 2019, 04:12:11 PM
I doubt that Ryan will see big minutes so will he start? Mileek gave us 10 excellent minutes vs Loyola. Might he get a start?
Not sure what his cardio is like. If he's healthy and not feeling any pain I don't think there would be a minutes restriction. I'm wondering if the ankle is still feeling a little ginger. I think Paul mentioned seeing him "limp" into the training room before the Loyola game. Does that mean he was still favoring it a bit on Sunday?
I think when Golder was coming back that first game they brought him off the bench. But it sounds like Golder's ankle might have not been as healed up as Fazekas' will be. Could also be that they were two different types of sprains.
Look at this data. If we want to avoid Thursday we MUST win tomorrow. Just look at the difference between 7-6 and 6-7.
http://www.mvcfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5194&start=50
I think it was 3 years ago the Indiana high school Cross Country champion (5k - 3.1 miles) trained the last month of the season almost exclusively in the pool and on the elliptical machine due to injury and came back for the post season to win a state title.
Lots of low impact ways to keep cardio when on the mend from such an injury.
Anybody spy Fazekas near some cardio equipment or near water the last month? Perhaps a picture of him wearing some water-wings in the national enquirer?
MEN'S BASKETBALL: Fazekas expected to play against Indiana State
Robbie Weinstein
Feb 12, 2019
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/men-s-basketball-fazekas-expected-to-play-against-indiana-state/article_e7ba17bc-f2bc-5da8-a469-bc8894ab7fe5.html
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1095513134247395332
This is the news that got me feeling hopeful again and snapped me out of my post Loyola malaise.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 12, 2019, 10:02:24 PM
MEN'S BASKETBALL: Fazekas expected to play against Indiana State
Robbie Weinstein
Feb 12, 2019
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/men-s-basketball-fazekas-expected-to-play-against-indiana-state/article_e7ba17bc-f2bc-5da8-a469-bc8894ab7fe5.html
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1095513134247395332
So Ryan Fazekas is progressing
very, very nicely?
Fun with numbers:
they are 10-1 when leading at the half
they are 1-10 when trailing at the half
These were really popular last year. However, I seem to recall someone saying that a lot of students came last year just to get one and then just left or only stayed for part of the first half. Looks like you have to pick them up after the game, which is kind of a hassle but the reason they give them away is to get people to watch the game.
If you don't want to pay the price for something you shouldn't have it in my mind. I don't think they have as much problem with the other free T-Shirts.
I could be wrong but I might be right
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1095817567934078976
Ryan burning the cords in early warmups.
Markus getting good lift.
Expecting a lighter crowd tonight. Just feels like the Loyola game took some air out of the building. Not sure if it would be different if we won on Sunday but Indiana State doesn't seem to get the fan base as amped as Loyola does. I don't think it just has to do with the LU making the Final 4 last year. There just seems to be more heat with Loyola. Maybe if Indiana State was having a better season but I'm not sure why.
What the hell is with this start? 4 turnovers to start the game??
turning the ball over and playing catch up.
Followed by a Fazekas 3...then he blocked a shot....then 6 pts by Smits. Ok interesting start.
8 minutes in and Indiana St. called for their foul.
This Indian St. team is the least talented team in the MVC. We have to win this.
These commentators annoy me with their side talk :snore:
Stinking it up so far.
These crusaders annoy me by losing
Quote from: nkvu on February 13, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
Stinking it up so far.
As soon as I posted this we went on a 6 - 0 run to get back in the game. Still if we don't play better and take care of the ball in the second half we will blow another one.
Well here comes your most important half of basketball in two years.
Win this game and you regain some momentum and take an important step toward making some possible noise in St Lou.
Lose this and you're playing on Thursday with no opportunity for some meaningful wins heading into one of the most important years in program history.
Win, lose, or draw .... my hope is that folks won't make excuses ... or whatever it's called. Point is - Ryan's back. Golder's back. Playing an ISU team that's 4-8 in conference. Do I think they're better than their record? Yes. Are they shooting well? Yes. Are we better than our record? I think so. 10-1 when up at half and 1-10 when down at half? Well, let's see if we can change that and go 2-10 and pull this win out. Time shall tell. Better shot selection to end the first half. Still gave it up to them on defense so it was negated but good sign.
Jeez. Get a 5 point lead and the ball, give it back immediately because we can't execute a simple entry pass and Mileek decides to throw a difficult skip pass instead of taking an open shot. Those sort of sequences need to stop.
Of course McMillan would get hot so we then put him on the bench :crazy: only so bakari can come in and foul some more
Smits has his arm hooked on the entry pass, no call, then they call Smits for the loose ball foul. Ridiculous.
6 missed FTs in the second half alone. Argh.
8 missed FTs now. In one half. On our home floor. Will someone on the coaching staff address this already?
I need some rolaids
Well this game shouldn't even be in overtime.
I will always love my Crusaders. But it's really hard to get invested in the Matt Lottich era.
Welp. That's that. It's time to admit the staff cannot get the job done. This is a game you cannot lose and we blew it.
NativeCheeshead said it best.
Let's guess what Lottich's excuse will be for losing this game...
Silly fouls 35 feet from the basket. Nobody stepping up to take a charge on critical possessions. Poor FT shooting. A completely scattered final possession in regulation. Turnovers everywhere. This is all coaching. All of it.
Unbelievable. Lottich needs to start answering some questions. I know he's not on the court playing but the offense is a train wreck. I could get off my couch and shoot a higher percentage of free throws than this team. Lottich constantly uses the same rotations and doesn't seem to make any adjustments.
This team is pathetic. No basketball fundamentals leads to losses. Pathetic...
I can't believe the lack of success on set plays coming out of timeouts or the first possession of a half
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.
Missed free throws, turnovers, and no poise in crunch time.
Same old same old.
Ouch....
Go V.U. !!!
Quote from: mj on February 13, 2019, 08:58:42 PM
Well this game shouldn't even be in overtime.
Make 1 free throw and we wouldn't be.
Charity stripe was quite unforgiving this evening!
Guys have to make these shots!!!
Lottich should consider himself fortunate. This would be a "fire everyone" loss at any school that's serious about basketball.
This team is a complete :censored: mess. I've seen no progress from Matt Lottich as a head coach in his three seasons. Sure, we might have good players on the team. But Lottich isn't the man who can bring them all together.
#FireLottich
AWFUL LOSS.
Turnovers and Free Throw shooting were disastrous tonight!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
Valpo just dug themselves into a hole in the standings. I'm legitimately pissed about this game. Complete lack of focus. The only bright-side was Smits and Sackey's play but Sackey couldn't hit his Free Throws.
I hope the whole team is running suicides at this very moment, one for every turnover and missed free throw.
Two stud freshmen, year of growth as a team, confer ne is worse than last year.....and were going to end up in the exact same position. Playing on Thursday night in St Louis.
Look at MO St and Drake and tell me we shouldn't seriously entertain a coaching change this offseason (Yes, I know it won't happen).
How did KEY get 17 ft attempts? I could only watch the game cast on the ESPN app...
QuoteHow did KEY get 17 ft attempts? I could only watch the game cast on the ESPN app...
We let him drive the lane at will because our defensive fundamentals are terrible and taking a charge is apparently not taught.
What was the story on Golder?
The freshmen played like freshmen.
Fazekas played about like I suspected but I am still happy to have him back.
That sucked. No excuses. Win at Drake or this season is over.
I'd state the obvious about what the trends are but y'all would go back to excuses. Refs? We were due for a loss? Ryan has to ease his way back? Golder not 100%? What other excuses? Laundry? Classes? Too cold out? Music wasn't good enough? No idea but the coach should have a couple hundred thousand reason$$$$$ why.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 13, 2019, 09:30:54 PM
QuoteHow did KEY get 17 ft attempts? I could only watch the game cast on the ESPN app...
We let him drive the lane at will because our defensive fundamentals are terrible and taking a charge is apparently not taught.
They have not been terrible lately. Even on our losing streak the defense has been solid. Just d ont know what to make of a defensive meltdown at this point of the season.
Freeman - worst game this season, defense was awful (even though it looked like he didn't think he committed any)
Sackey - love the attacking, gotta have plan when he gets in there more often, make your free throws
McMillian - another strong outing, great shooting and rebounding, one defensive error when Niece blew by his guy and Leek had his back turned helping Smits through a screen
Lavender - nice offense, but come on man those weren't senior passes
Fazekas - glad he's back
Sorolla - didn't notice him
Golder - is he ok? Gore said under the weather
Evelyn - terrible defense, not bad on offense (minus the end of regulation)
Coaching - defensive scheme sucked, offense wasn't bad but Gore on the radio griping how our 80% ft shooters need to get to the line...well how about plays that give them that chance?? End of regulation was terrible, we all knew Evelyn would jack up a three when a drive and a two would've been fine. That's at least 3 games we have given away at the line. Unacceptable, I'd hope.
I hope our players aren't as frustrated at the coaching staff as we are. I think we have some good players and would hate to see any of them leave.
We are a veteran team with two good freshman, one of which might be freshman conference player of the year.
That was a 4-8 team in conference. 4-8. 4-8. Get that? 4-8. Truly I'll feel ok if Lottich - during the post game presser - says the buck stops with him and his staff. That's all I ask. Will it happen? Well, we're DUE for it. He's not coaching the team out of the graciousness of his own heart - he's getting paid A LOT of money!!! All jobs - even entry level minimum wage jobs - come with responsibility. If a cashier is responsible for their register being within a certain amount at the end of the night, shouldn't a D-1 coach be responsible for the trends we continue to see? It's the only sport at Valpo that brings in serious revenue. And, yet - we fire the women's coach last year? Like, oh we're serious now! But we continue to let this stuff go on with our biggest revenue generating sport? Where were all the people tonight? Lost several thousand from Loyola. What gives?
By the numbers:
21 Turnovers
13 Missed Freethrows
1-6 since the UNI Victory January 19th
3 Total choke jobs AT HOME
I'd even say that Indiana State was #Grittier than us tonight
Forgive me for saying this but this team absolutely SUCKS right now and it is probably time to forget all about #Gritty Gritty teams don't piss away 3 straight home games by missing free throws and turning the ball over.
That's not gritty that's just S**tty
I'm trying really hard to remain supportive of Lottich but I'm running out of patience quickly.
Seriously I am beginning to wonder if coming out to each game is worth it. I love this team and this school but there's only so many times I can have my heart broken before I need a break. I invest too much emotional energy into these games to take too many hard letdowns in a row.
Anyone with insider info hear anything about Smits transfering at the end of the year? Overheard a couple of comments as I got in the building early to make sure I got a jersey.
It's great to have GRIT and play hard. But that doesn't win basketball games. Understanding what the strengths and weakness and knowing how to adjust every 3-4 mins wins the game. Ask coach Bill Belichick why he has 8 Super Bowl rings. >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 13, 2019, 10:07:54 PM
Anyone with insider info hear anything about Smits transfering at the end of the year? Overheard a couple of comments as I got in the building early to make sure I got a jersey.
If that's true it would be a massive blow to this program. I wouldn't say it would sink us but it would leave us with a very thin front court. Not good.
Lottich is under some serious heat from the fan-base right now. It's not just the usuals calling for his job tonight on social media. This is one very ticked off fan-base
Lol. Who's less happy right now? Valpo fans or Vandy fans?
This looked like several of our December games. Portions were worse! Backpedaling is no way to move forward.
In several games Smits has received single coverage leading to a big night. Have we won any of them?
Quote from: VU2014 on February 13, 2019, 10:14:46 PMLottich is under some serious heat from the fan-base right now. It's not just the usuals calling for his job tonight on social media. This is one very ticked off fan-base
Help defend him. I can be convinced by a good argument.
Why would Smits leave? He has a lot of friends on campus and he has a chance to make 1st team all MVC next year. He won't have to compete for playing time. I just don't see the positives of transferring
Is he upset with coaching staff?
5 games left in conference play. Do we go 0-5? 1-4? I would consider it a success if we go 9-9 this year
QuoteWhy would Smits leave? He has a lot of friends on campus and he has a chance to make 1st team all MVC next year. He won't have to compete for playing time. I just don't see the positives of transferring
All bets are off if he's eligible for a grad transfer, though. P5 teams will be circling him like vultures like they were with Alec.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 13, 2019, 10:22:50 PM
QuoteWhy would Smits leave? He has a lot of friends on campus and he has a chance to make 1st team all MVC next year. He won't have to compete for playing time. I just don't see the positives of transferring
All bets are off if he's eligible for a grad transfer, though. P5 teams will be circling him like vultures like they were with Alec.
It wouldn't surprise me if they already started trying to poach him behind closed doors. Hopefully he stays. He's definitely eligible because already graduated.
Yes, but not the top P5's. Plus he would probably sacrifice playing time. Team will be good next year (they will) and he can be one of the better players in the Valley. Unless he has beef with Lottich I don't see him going.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 13, 2019, 10:26:26 PM
Yes, but not the top P5's. Plus he would probably sacrifice playing time. Team will be good next year (they will) and he can be one of the better players in the Valley. Unless he has beef with Lottich I don't see him going.
I think there are plenty of reasons for him to stay.
-Chance to have a very special team next season
-Playing time
-guaranteed big role
-success developing every year with this staff
-comfort level with his teammates on and off the court
-masters degree already in progress
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1095901083338227712
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1095901404034727936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQsofDOya3k
No reason for him to leave.
1 - he is the focus of our offense when he is in so he wouldn't be leaving for more opportunities
2 - he's not going to a power 5, he can't defend anyone that weighs more then him, doesn't finish through contact, makes half of his fts, doesn't shoot 3s
If players earn a diploma and are eligible to transfer with the ability to immediately play, good for them. They're young men with futures. Many of whom will not play at the next level. Those who do will likely play overseas. Point being - Valpo doesn't have that many graduate programs. They deserve to get a degree they are interested in and that will help them with their lives post-basketball. Kiser will be an engineer in a couple years. Making good money living a happy life. Will be a hard worker and a team player. His lack of d-1 shooting skills will have nothing to do with his future success off the court. Seems like a really good guy.
Point being: the others need to put themselves into a position where they'll be able to pursue careers that are of interest to them. If that means they could pursue a masters in an area they're really interested in that a) Valpo doesn't offer, or b) provides them with new opportunities/networking - then go for it!!!
If Smits has that opportunity and can play in a P5 and earn a degree he's interested in, good for him! And same for the others. Lottich is in his career. He's been handed the keys to a Cadillac. Maybe not a Ferrari like Calipari in Kentucky. But a good reliable car. Take care of it. Take ownership of it.
If Freeman can play elsewhere and give himself a better shot at the big stage, release him. It's his life. His only shot at playing college b-ball. He doesn't owe us anything.
As a fan, I'd love for Lottich to win, win, win and for everyone to stay, get good degrees, and be prepared for what's next. But who are we to stop these guys from pursuing their dreams?
Anybody got the phone number for the local AA? I mean when they play well they get me celebrating big time, and nights like this get me drowning my sorrows. :'(
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 13, 2019, 10:22:50 PM
QuoteWhy would Smits leave? He has a lot of friends on campus and he has a chance to make 1st team all MVC next year. He won't have to compete for playing time. I just don't see the positives of transferring
All bets are off if he's eligible for a grad transfer, though. P5 teams will be circling him like vultures like they were with Alec.
I wonder. He is becoming a decent MVC 5 this year. He might become a very good MVC 5 next year, particularly if he can square up and knock down that 10 ft jumper consistently. But I'm not sure he would be first team all conference even then as long as that kid is at Loyola. Without that I doubt he would get the majority of minutes at a good P5 school, as I think he would struggle against stronger and more athletic 5's at that level. Of course if he just wants his ticket punched at a lower level P5 school he could probably find a home, but at an upper level one I think he might get 10 - 15 minutes a game as a backup.
If by chance our two transfers are as good as we all hope they are, and our two freshmen develop as we all hope they will, Smits should see a lot more opportunity to show off his skills with more opponents having to play him more straight up rather than doubling him. As some of our transfer outs have found, moving to a P5 school doesn't guarantee you a path to the nba.
It's neat how quickly this board goes from we can win 3 in st Louis to fire the coach....
Right now I'm hoping they can salvage this year, be post season eligible, and next year it's make or break time.
https://youtu.be/aW0XYybSAxY
Watch at the 2:50 mark and tell me your thoughts on how he reacts .... it's a fair question by the reporter to ask about losing 4 straight at home...
Spoiler alert: he still doesn't take responsibility. Too loose with the ball ... free throws .... blah blah blah ... not a single word about taking ownership. The buck stops .....?!?!? Idk
Quote from: VU2010 on February 13, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
https://youtu.be/aW0XYybSAxY
Watch at the 2:50 mark and tell me your thoughts on how he reacts .... it's a fair question by the reporter to ask about losing 4 straight at home...
Spoiler alert: he still doesn't take responsibility. Too loose with the ball ... free throws .... blah blah blah ... not a single word about taking ownership. The buck stops .....?!?!? Idk
I don't think he was scoffing at the reporter bringing it up but was instead frustrated by the stat. I don't think that reaction was directed towards Robbie
Bad loss. Bad transfer rumors. Still no long term plan to address the inadequacy of our gym. Questions about the leadership of the team. Questions about the leadership of the athletic department as a whole.
I need a hug.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 13, 2019, 11:02:33 PM
Bad loss. Bad transfer rumors. Still no long term plan to address the inadequacy of our gym. Questions about the leadership of the team. Questions about the leadership of the athletic department as a whole.
I need a hug.
I'm finding solace in scotch. Of course if we continue on this course my liver could be in jeopardy.
Glad you're still on the wagon, 2014. Getting roomier for you at least.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 13, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: VU2010 on February 13, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
https://youtu.be/aW0XYybSAxY (https://youtu.be/aW0XYybSAxY)
Watch at the 2:50 mark and tell me your thoughts on how he reacts .... it's a fair question by the reporter to ask about losing 4 straight at home...
Spoiler alert: he still doesn't take responsibility. Too loose with the ball ... free throws .... blah blah blah ... not a single word about taking ownership. The buck stops .....?!?!? Idk
I don't think he was scoffing at the reporter bringing it up but was instead frustrated by the stat. I don't think that reaction would was directed towards Robbie
I have to agree with that he was clearly reacting to the reporter for asking the question not out of frustration at the stat.
Smits has gotten a lot better, and next year he should continue to get better. I will be devastated if he transfers. But for Christ sake does he even know that he has a RIGHT HAND. he would've had 35 tonight if he knew how to use his right hand. Missed too many left handed layups on the right hand side that would be easy and ones if he could use his right hand. He's a 7'1 division one center with a father that was an NBA all star and he can't use his right hand.
Quote from: valpopal on February 13, 2019, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 13, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: VU2010 on February 13, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
https://youtu.be/aW0XYybSAxY (https://youtu.be/aW0XYybSAxY)
Watch at the 2:50 mark and tell me your thoughts on how he reacts .... it's a fair question by the reporter to ask about losing 4 straight at home...
Spoiler alert: he still doesn't take responsibility. Too loose with the ball ... free throws .... blah blah blah ... not a single word about taking ownership. The buck stops .....?!?!? Idk
I don't think he was scoffing at the reporter bringing it up but was instead frustrated by the stat. I don't think that reaction would was directed towards Robbie
I have to agree with that he was clearly reacting to the reporter for asking the question not out of frustration at the stat.
That is CLEARLY directed at the reporter. FIX THE GLARING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH THIS TEAM ALL SEASON AND BEFORE AND MAYBE YOU'LL FIND THE QUESTIONS A BIT MORE TO YOUR LIKING. This is Valparaiso. We have expectations. If you can't or don't want to deal with those there's nothing saying you HAVE to coach the team. Lose the attitude take your lumps and some responsibility or go away. Competitive or not there's no reason for a coach to act like a petulant child when a reporter is just doing his job and bringing up a fair and factual point. Grow up coach. It's sad when a 22 year old takes more responsibility than a grown man.
Quote from: VU2010 on February 13, 2019, 11:11:28 PM
Glad you're still on the wagon, 2014. Getting roomier for you at least.
I think it's fair to be critical of this teams offense which falls ultimately at his feet. It's been bad other than sporadic games like the Illinois State game. It's just too much dribbling around and settling for bad 3s when we can't get it in to Smits down low. It's his weakness as a coach, imo. He needs get better at developing the offensive game plan. Can he learn all this on the job as a young Head Coach? To be honest, I don't know. Porter Moser's head coaching gig at Illinois State did not go well at all. He has said in multiple interviews that he wasn't nearly as knowledgable or prepared to be a HC as he was when he took the Loyola job. He ultimately got fired from Illinois State (he eventually recruited towards the end and the incoming ISU coach was handed a pretty good roster) and he got offered an assistant coaching job by the legendary Rick Majarus in 2007 and learned under him for 5 years and got offered the Loyola job. He said he needed that to make him a better coach. Does Coach Lottich need to go through a similar experience? I don't know. But it's pretty widely known that Bryce was a task master and a micromanager. Maybe that's not a positive environment to groom assistants? I hope Lottich is the guy that we want to lead this program long-term (but ultimately is desired by other larger schools with deep pockets). Is he the guy? I don't know. I'm not going to give up on him after less than 3 years. Any coach deserves at least 4 years and a full recruiting cycle. Do I have concerns yes but there are also things to like. One thing I will give him credit for is that the man can clearly coach defense. We're a strong defensive team even if we do have a few defensive lapses from time to time. Another things going for him is that he is a really intelligent and bright guy. He's also hyper competitive. I'm not sure if you've ever got the opportunity to meet him and chat with him, but if you did you'd probably be impressed.
Bruce has a couple good plays where the 4 would set a pick for the 5 to receive it deep into the lane. Also had one where the 4 would set a pick for the 5 but pop out to hit a 3.
Lottich was on the bench (granted waaaay down the bench) during our successful years. He also played for a really good Stanford.
The kind of loss that really makes me question Lottich's future at VU.
Perhaps some of you will chalk this up as good coaching by the ISU coach, but I found bush league.
Three times Kessinger fell down when Smits was making moves with the ball underneath. The first time Smits was able to get off a good shot. The second time, Smits flipped the ball over his shoulder as he had been tripped, and the ball went in. The third time (near the end of the game or in OT) Smits fell over him and was called for a travel. I remember Keesinger doing the same thing in our first meeting.
Twice in overtime, Keys was able to draw a foul by acting, he pulled his head back or torso as if there had been significant contact. I was disappointed that the referee fell for it -- especially in that situation.
Unrelated to the above, I will note that I expressed concern about Fazekas's recovery being sufficient for him to play good defense. Washington's two threes in overtime were both over Ryan.
Lansing sucks and is a POS and an embarrassment to this conference and his program. These guys dive more than an aquatics team and flop harder than Lottich's crunch time offensive scheme. The day he's replaced will be a good one for ISU and the MVC.
I don't know why everyone is blaming the offense....
We scored 82 points on 50% shooting and 38% from 3... Yes I know 71 points in regulation but I think we finished regulation at like 52% from the floor and 42% from 3. Not exactly terrible offensive stats.
Taking emotion out of it, has anybody stopped to think we are just not built to win games where the refs are blowing the whistle a lot? Not only are we dependent on playing aggressive defense but we are a bad free throw shooting team. So when the refs are calling the game tight we are screwed. We can't be physical to get the stops we need and when they foul us we are screwed because our guys are more likely to hit an off balance layup on a drive to the hoop than a free throw.
In my opinion that is the reality of this team right now.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 14, 2019, 07:20:26 AMI don't know why everyone is blaming the offense.... We scored 82 points on 50% shooting and 38% from 3... Yes I know 71 points in regulation but I think we finished regulation at like 52% from the floor and 42% from 3. Not exactly terrible offensive stats. Taking emotion out of it, has anybody stopped to think we are just not built to win games where the refs are blowing the whistle a lot? Not only are we dependent on playing aggressive defense but we are a bad free throw shooting team. So when the refs are calling the game tight we are screwed. We can't be physical to get the stops we need and when they foul us we are screwed because our guys are more likely to hit an off balance layup on a drive to the hoop than a free throw. In my opinion that is the reality of this team right now.
Great argument. The kind I'm looking for to keep my waning optimism alive and not turn completely against coach Lottich. But you can't ignore 21 turnovers. That's unacceptably bad. The fact that despite all of this we still took it to overtime shows how good and talented this team is and can be. Yet the results are pedestrian. The blame for this has to go somewhere and it's hard to blame the players when you see the same issues game after game and even season after season.
I don't blame it on offense. I blame it on not getting good looks in the final 4 possessions. (Even after time outs!!!). Critical moments and we always fail.
Hey at least we finally have an answer the question Paul asked back in December.
Is this team good? They are not.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 14, 2019, 07:33:55 AMHey at least we finally have an answer the question Paul asked back in December. Is this team good? They are not.
They CAN BE. If only theydt stop failing in crunch time.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 14, 2019, 07:33:55 AM
Hey at least we finally have an answer the question Paul asked back in December.
Is this team good? They are not.
I will say this. It has got to be almost impossible to lose a game where you shoot 40 free throws, shoot 50% from the floor, and close to 40% from 3. At the vary least you can say we are learning to lose in a wide variety of ways.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 14, 2019, 07:40:46 AMQuote from: NativeCheesehead on February 14, 2019, 07:33:55 AMHey at least we finally have an answer the question Paul asked back in December. Is this team good? They are not.
I will say this. It has got to be almost impossible to lose a game where you shoot 40 free throws, shoot 50% from the floor, and close to 40% from 3. At the vary least you can say we are learning to lose in a wide variety of ways.
It's sad and frustrating that this is now what I think as the clock ticks under 8 or under 4. I don't get the feeling or belief that we're going to win anymore. I think "What fun and imaginative new cool innovative way are we going to lose this one?" And it's always new different and surprising except the surprise is starting to wear off.
Sanity Lost ... we've gotta move past things like the officials and not being able to play in tightly officiated games.
Maybe you're right but we should be focusing on things we can control. If you watch the post-game, you'll once again see a trend. Several have rightly pointed it out with comparisons to Porter, for instance.
Idk if anyone is largely successful in their first head coaching gig. It's rare. Sure, favorable scheduling, inheriting a good roster/recruits, getting 50/50 calls down the stretch of games, and hitting "the shot" like Golder did to close out the first mvc game this year will help in some of these tight games.
Sure - having a healthy roster will help. No doubt.
But, still - it's gotta be tough to learn on the fly and be a head coach for the first time ... at a D-1 school!
But - as others have pointed out - we're ok with taking lumps and such as Lottich grows into his new role. You learn after all by doing. Yes - I think he could immensely grow from this experience if he was under the leadership of a veteran coach for a few years and then get another chance at a D-1 school - including a P5.
But that doesn't happen unless/until he's willing to learn from others, take responsibility, and eat a piece of humble pie.
When a 22 year old player is more mature about responses (again) than the head coach - it's a problem.
He commented on Freeman trying to do too much early ... not knocking down shots .... not hitting free throws ... but never takes personal responsibility.
Do I think he's a fierce competitor and that's what he admires / sees in Kiser? Yes. But does that translate over into being the leader of this team with the ability to make adjustments on the fly? Not yet.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 14, 2019, 07:20:26 AM
I don't know why everyone is blaming the offense....
We scored 82 points on 50% shooting and 38% from 3... Yes I know 71 points in regulation but I think we finished regulation at like 52% from the floor and 42% from 3. Not exactly terrible offensive stats.
Taking emotion out of it, has anybody stopped to think we are just not built to win games where the refs are blowing the whistle a lot? Not only are we dependent on playing aggressive defense but we are a bad free throw shooting team. So when the refs are calling the game tight we are screwed. We can't be physical to get the stops we need and when they foul us we are screwed because our guys are more likely to hit an off balance layup on a drive to the hoop than a free throw.
In my opinion that is the reality of this team right now.
You make an excellent point about our aggressive Defense and poor FT%.
An additional thought, we were down 10-pts for a healthy portion of the first half. I think we have too much inconsistency of play and poor mental attitudes such that any adversity gets us into 8-min funks.
The two halves were complete opposites (foul-wise). It's bigger than FT% and brand of Defense but those are huge contributors.
GRIT type slogans are what coaches have to use on mental midgets to focus them...it's clear ML knew that was a major Achilles heal going into the year and here we are. I think we are all frustrated, but that's fandom.
I am totally bewildered by this team. Last night it does boil down to us missing 13 free throws and they missing 3. That's a net loss of 10 and we lost the game by 5. But beyond that, what is happening to our players? Markus hasn't made a field goal is the last two games...not one. Sure, teams have now seen us play but we have seen them play as well. Why can't we win these tight games? I'm back to coaching and that is a serious problem.
Quote from: valpopal on February 13, 2019, 11:19:11 PMI have to agree with that he was clearly reacting to the reporter for asking the question not out of frustration at the stat.
His reaction is a huge red flag for me. You've got the the entire world (or the entire Valpo basketball world) watching and you can't control your emotions? If this is what it's like in public, then what's it like in the locker room?
This is the public face of the Valpo basketball program acting this way. It doesn't reflect well on this program at all.
I get that coaching D-1 is tough. I get there are bad breaks. And your players might not play the way you want them to. But there are some things you can control, beginning with your attitude.
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Quote from: valpopal on February 13, 2019, 11:19:11 PMI have to agree with that he was clearly reacting to the reporter for asking the question not out of frustration at the stat.
His reaction is a huge red flag for me. You've got the the entire world (or the entire Valpo basketball world) watching and you can't control your emotions? If this is what it's like in public, then what's it like in the locker room?
This is the public face of the Valpo basketball program acting this way. It doesn't reflect well on this program at all.
I get that coaching D-1 is tough. I get there are bad breaks. And your players might not play the way you want them to. But there are some things you can control, beginning with your attitude.
I have been fairly consistently critical of Lottich when it is warranted. Lets keep the analysis of our coach to tangible things and stop speculating on the hidden meaning behind his 1 second show of emotion. None of us have any idea what was going through his head at that moment and any attempt to do so is ridiculous. The fan base overanalyzing a moment like that is stupid.
Offense, free throws, failure to close out halves, losing close games, set plays out of timeouts. These are the the things we are allowed to be critical of. The above we are not because it involves too much use of our imaginations.
And you guys all thought I was crazy when I said there was no way this team would win 3 games in 3 days in St. Louis.
They've lost the last four in a row at home. How in the world would they be able to put it together to win more than one game in St. Louis when both teams are playing with their season on the line?
Disappointing loss but don't let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.
Guess I just need to move past all of this and enjoy what I can. I play Pool and i'm actually pretty good at it. The one thing I've learned over the years is there are ups and downs. Now - when I lose I go back to my team and talk about that awesome 3 rail bank shot I made instead of the missed 8-ball...
This season the MVC is the most balanced I've seen in a conference in years... Hell I don't think i'd be that surprised to see the last place team destroy the first place team...
Go V.U. !!!
Quote from: Smj on February 14, 2019, 09:32:48 AMC is the most balanced I've seen in a conference in years... Hell I don't think i'd be that surprised to see the last place team destroy the first place team...
For all our problems, remember that we easily beat a Bradley team essentially without Ryan and then last night that same Bradley team beat Loyola. It is a strange year to say the least.
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For all our problems, remember that we easily beat a Bradley team essentially without Ryan and then last night that same Bradley team beat Loyola. It is a strange year to say the least.
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Go V.U. !!!
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 14, 2019, 08:59:01 AMOffense, free throws, failure to close out halves, losing close games, set plays out of timeouts. These are the the things we are allowed to be critical of.
Our defense started flat also. Freeman got schooled. 5 fouls in 17 minutes with 4 TOs. Breaking down his errors for him to watch is how the game is taught and learned. Another 8 or 10 lbs of muscle maturity could also have helped.
Having a full spectrum (bench) of options makes coaching easier and more difficult at the same time. You need to maximize defensive and offensive production by distributing 200 minutes of play amongst 400+ potential minutes of high level talent. Matt has much to learn before March 2020 when his bench could be almost endless.
For those of you who suggest Lottich shouldn't be held accountable for his public comments, I completely disagree. He is the face of the program. The leader. What he says and how he acts in these public pressers matters - at least to those who watch. Idk what things are like in the locker room. All we know is what we see. And what we see is what we get. We don't know what we don't know.
I think "SanityLost" speaks like Sanity Kept this week.
Yes, it is very irritating to miss that many free throws. That was galling. And yes the offense stagnates. And yes Bakari is an odd choice to jack up a 3 at the end of halves.
Consistency has been a huge issue since early January. We are seeing parts of this team step up at many times and in many games such as our big road wins at Mo State and Southern Illinois in January before Ryan got hurt.
At some point the whole MAY become as good as its parts. This year that WHOLE will be elusive and show up in spurts. I think we are still exceeding expectations (barely) on balance without Ryan. Next year we will have newly solid confident Smits and two stud transfers. With those in place we may find that glue and that key confidence down the stretch.
Yes, three wins in Saint Louis is a 5% chance to me. Make the top 6 and reach the Semis and I am good. Beyond that is gravy to me.
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Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 14, 2019, 07:20:26 AM
I don't know why everyone is blaming the offense....
We scored 82 points on 50% shooting and 38% from 3... Yes I know 71 points in regulation but I think we finished regulation at like 52% from the floor and 42% from 3. Not exactly terrible offensive stats.
Taking emotion out of it, has anybody stopped to think we are just not built to win games where the refs are blowing the whistle a lot? Not only are we dependent on playing aggressive defense but we are a bad free throw shooting team. So when the refs are calling the game tight we are screwed. We can't be physical to get the stops we need and when they foul us we are screwed because our guys are more likely to hit an off balance layup on a drive to the hoop than a free throw.
In my opinion that is the reality of this team right now.
You make an excellent point about our aggressive Defense and poor FT%.
An additional thought, we were down 10-pts for a healthy portion of the first half. I think we have too much inconsistency of play and poor mental attitudes such that any adversity gets us into 8-min funks.
The two halves were complete opposites (foul-wise). It's bigger than FT% and brand of Defense but those are huge contributors.
GRIT type slogans are what coaches have to use on mental midgets to focus them...it's clear ML knew that was a major Achilles heal going into the year and here we are. I think we are all frustrated, but that's fandom.
Mental midgets quote is hilarious
Totally correct
That old worn out "grit" or any other nonsense is not going to win games
Save that crap for pop warner football
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 14, 2019, 09:15:35 AM
And you guys all thought I was crazy when I said there was no way this team would win 3 games in 3 days in St. Louis.
They've lost the last four in a row at home. How in the world would they be able to put it together to win more than one game in St. Louis when both teams are playing with their season on the line?
You're right, but I still love our players, I still have faith in Matt, and I'm looking forward to next season with great anticipation.
True, but as has been my constant thread this whole season....stay out of Thursday. Even a sixth place finish this year and giving the 3 a good game is a massive improvement over last year, and sets the table for next year.
My fear isn't having a disappointing year (or two). It's getting buried in a conference we're barely qualified to be in without a plan to improve. Recent history will tell you it's not uncommon for a team to spend 5+ bottom feeding in the MVC. A program with a dedicated administration, good facilities, and actually being the most rooted for college team in the town in which they reside can wait out a half decade of underperformance. Valpo has none of those.
I know some on this board will point to Loyola and how they were awful for years when they first came over and then got lucky on two transfers and an under recruited big man. There's a little truth to that. But Loyola also invested millions in their facilities, made athletics a priority through their ACTIONS, not just their words. Gentile was a newer ARC when it opened, unremarkable in every way. It's now one of the best mid major facilities in the country, and in laying that infrastructure, they are poised to be at or near the top of this league for a long time.
When a student athlete walks into the Gentile arena or the (Norris?) athletic building, they know Loyola considers them a priority. There's no way Valpo athletes feel the same way.
Is it any wonder Lottich feels it's part of our culture to make excuses when that's how his bosses have acted toward upgrading the ARC? Loyola with it's history and location has deeper pockets, no doubt. But Loyola is where it is today because at some point, a person or persons in power at that university made a decision to act, and not make excuses as to why something can't be done.
I, as many of my fellow fans do, make some emotional statements about my team during and after games, and I will continue to do so. So let me say two things now as unemotionally as possible.
1. Matt Lottich, regardless of how this year turns out, deserves next year to see this thing through.
2. If by March 2020, the on court product and record has not improved substantially, AND we don't have at least a five year plan on what we're going to do about our crappy arena, we need to change coaches and have a serious conversation about whether or not to make a change at the top of the department.
Sorry for the long post, I don't like to read much in the morning either.
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
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That is CLEARLY directed at the reporter. FIX THE GLARING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH THIS TEAM ALL SEASON AND BEFORE AND MAYBE YOU'LL FIND THE QUESTIONS A BIT MORE TO YOUR LIKING. This is Valparaiso. We have expectations. If you can't or don't want to deal with those there's nothing saying you HAVE to coach the team. Lose the attitude take your lumps and some responsibility or go away. Competitive or not there's no reason for a coach to act like a petulant child when a reporter is just doing his job and bringing up a fair and factual point. Grow up coach. It's sad when a 22 year old takes more responsibility than a grown man.
Couple things here. 1) I wasn't at the press conference as a family situation pulled me away right as the game ended. (Everything is ok, just when you get multiple calls from back home in a short time period, you panic) 2) I watched the press conference this morning before I was on the board and I didn't even think twice about Matt's reaction. 3) I talked to Robbie, who is in belief the reaction was about the stat. He reacted mid-question. He didn't glare at Robbie. I've asked some dumb questions before and gotten glares. There have been other reporters that have asked long rambling questions before and gotten intense glares. I don't think that's what this was.
I understand people wanting to point blame and I'm sure there's plenty to go around, but I just don't think there was anything to Matt's reaction in that question...and trust me, I'd be the first to be critical of someone slamming a reporter or having a beef in that situation. It's a jarring stat and Matt was jarred in that situation. Nothing more, nothing less, IMO.
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 14, 2019, 06:49:15 AM
Twice in overtime, Keys was able to draw a foul by acting, he pulled his head back or torso as if there had been significant contact. I was disappointed that the referee fell for it -- especially in that situation.
I totally agree. Players constantly flailing and throwing their head back at the slightest contact is one of my pet peeves. Key has certainly mastered the move, but he's hardly the only one doing it. Evelyn and Lavender are also pretty good, although clearly weren't as effective as Key was last night.
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 14, 2019, 06:49:15 AM
Unrelated to the above, I will note that I expressed concern about Fazekas's recovery being sufficient for him to play good defense. Washington's two threes in overtime were both over Ryan.
For some reason, I'm reminded of this story.
Patient: When my broken finger heals, will I be able to play the piano?
Doctor: I don't see why not.
Patient: That's funny, because I wasn't able to play it before.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 14, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
I'll take it a step further. I want us to have an impossible 2019 OOC schedule to test his metal. Think- Oakland like, SWAC-like, because the at large chances for mid-majors is gone. G O N E----Vanished No fluff! No easy path to a contract extension! Sink or swim! Learn as you go.
I've harped on this, but again, why our coaching staff doesn't look across town to VHS and implement the Virgil Sweet FT method is beyond maddening. Watching Smits and Sackey clang FT after FT last night was ridiculous. And easily diagnosed. On their misses last night, both of them were just flinging the ball at the hoop quickly without in any focus or aim. The "Valpo free throw" teaches you to pause, set, and not have any wasted motion as you repeat your mechanics and body positioning on every FT, regardless of situation. Our guys are not setting themselves and try to shoot a FT in a fluid motion while picking up the dribble. That will ALWAYS result in inconsistent FT shooting.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 13, 2019, 09:19:43 PM
Lottich should consider himself lucky. This would be a "fire everyone" loss at any school that's serious about basketball.
And there you go. This school, Valpo, is not investing in it's marquee sport, MBB, and therefore will allow this head coach to run this program at a lower standard and not terminate him for these poor performances. This is not coming from the AD, who is doing his best in the situation, but the president and board of directors that is letting the university down by not letting the MBB program excell and promote the university to the general public where increased enrollment can be earned. Through increased enrollment the university can thrive in the academic areas.
Quote from: VU2010 on February 13, 2019, 10:38:59 PM
If players earn a diploma and are eligible to transfer with the ability to immediately play, good for them. They're young men with futures. Many of whom will not play at the next level. Those who do will likely play overseas. Point being - Valpo doesn't have that many graduate programs. They deserve to get a degree they are interested in and that will help them with their lives post-basketball. Kiser will be an engineer in a couple years. Making good money living a happy life. Will be a hard worker and a team player. His lack of d-1 shooting skills will have nothing to do with his future success off the court. Seems like a really good guy.
Point being: the others need to put themselves into a position where they'll be able to pursue careers that are of interest to them. If that means they could pursue a masters in an area they're really interested in that a) Valpo doesn't offer, or b) provides them with new opportunities/networking - then go for it!!!
If Smits has that opportunity and can play in a P5 and earn a degree he's interested in, good for him! And same for the others. Lottich is in his career. He's been handed the keys to a Cadillac. Maybe not a Ferrari like Calipari in Kentucky. But a good reliable car. Take care of it. Take ownership of it.
If Freeman can play elsewhere and give himself a better shot at the big stage, release him. It's his life. His only shot at playing college b-ball. He doesn't owe us anything.
As a fan, I'd love for Lottich to win, win, win and for everyone to stay, get good degrees, and be prepared for what's next. But who are we to stop these guys from pursuing their dreams?
Just a couple snarky things thrown in but a super good post. As a college coach you try to do what you think is best for the kids, but ultimately it is there decision, they are adults. I know the grad transfer rule is perceived as not being great for mid-majors, but when you have good smart kids who work hard at academics I think that a rule actually rewarding them for being a
STUDENT athlete is a good thing. Great post, I applaud you. :clap:
I thought Fazekas looked gassed at the end of regulation and in the OT. Might've need a few more shorter breaks or maybe a few more timeouts just to catch his breath. Think we finished regulation with 2 or 3 of our timeouts still in hand.
FW - a few snarky parts lol - you're a close reader. Touché and thank you!
Quote from: VU2010 on February 14, 2019, 12:01:07 PM
FW - a few snarky parts lol - you're a close reader. Touché and thank you!
You make your points much better when your postgame passions have been replaced with calmer, deeper thinking. This is true for all of us. Good posters take as much time for development as coaches and centers.
What good are our timeouts? Nothing good comes from using them....
Ha, no doubt we don't usually see much success out of a timeout.
Maybe I'm bitter because Valpo was the one who costs me in my moneyline parlay.
Had $25 to win $100, Bradley W (Yes I called it) Texas Tech W (easy) and Valpo.....the last one let me down.
What kind of different result can one expect when Freeman, Sackey and Lavender have a total of 12 turnovers. I think we turned it over on all of our first 4 or 5 possessions of the game. Our youth in the back court definitely showed tonight. Although he is improving, Sackey has to play more under control. Bakari's questioning of every call against him is getting old. He acts like a spoiled little kid...time to grow up. Along with youth comes inconsistency and that was sure obvious last night. Perhaps with Ryan back now we can mold our "first" unit back together and get some consistent play and close out the season on a positive note.
I have little faith in the valpo administration, board, president, etc. to do much or really oversee anything. As far as I know, they're the same ones who oversaw the law school which unfortunately is closing. Shockingly, no one resigned and no one was fired from the administration who oversaw and allowed the law school to close. The bad economy and lack of applicants to law schools is of course what gets blamed, easy excuse. As far as I know, it'll be the oldest law school in the nation to close. Hard to believe, and quite frankly scary, these people are still the same ones making important decisions at VU.
I just want to know why it seems like we always play like dog crap against Indiana State.
Quote from: valpolaw on February 14, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
I have little faith in the valpo administration, board, president, etc. to do much or really oversee anything. As far as I know, they're the same ones who oversaw the law school which unfortunately is closing. Shockingly, no one resigned and no one was fired from the administration who oversaw and allowed the law school to close. The bad economy and lack of applicants to law schools is of course what gets blamed, easy excuse. As far as I know, it'll be the oldest law school in the nation to close. Hard to believe, and quite frankly scary, these people are still the same ones making important decisions at VU.
Look, it is too bad the Law School closed. It is also a fact that at best, it was mediocre and probably something less than that. It wasn't measuring up to Valpo's academic reputation. Heck, it was belittled in a major motion picture. New programs being added by these same administrators are drawing great students. Times change, things are tough in secondary education. We are blest to have them.
Now stop posting garbage in a basketball thread.
VU72,
I will keep my comments to basketball on this forum and hope to not have the pleasure of seeing you in court. I paid my tuition and love basketball, just like you. Only a part of the reason the law school closed was because it was treated like the bastard stepchild of the university. There are many other reasons. There are also many hard-working, excellent lawyers who were produced by that school. Yours truly, I should hope.
That said...
I saw only the last 2 minutes of OT, so my comments are limited to my review of the stat sheet: free throws, free throws, free throws. Maybe you can coach that, but more likely it's on the players.
As far as a Smits grad transfer, who would be interested in such uneven production? 20+ points one game, 4 the next?
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Quote from: valpolaw on February 14, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
I have little faith in the valpo administration, board, president, etc. to do much or really oversee anything. As far as I know, they're the same ones who oversaw the law school which unfortunately is closing. Shockingly, no one resigned and no one was fired from the administration who oversaw and allowed the law school to close. The bad economy and lack of applicants to law schools is of course what gets blamed, easy excuse. As far as I know, it'll be the oldest law school in the nation to close. Hard to believe, and quite frankly scary, these people are still the same ones making important decisions at VU.
Look, it is too bad the Law School closed. It is also a fact that at best, it was mediocre and probably something less than that. It wasn't measuring up to Valpo's academic reputation. Heck, it was belittled in a major motion picture. New programs being added by these same administrators are drawing great students. Times change, things are tough in secondary education. We are blest to have them.
Now stop posting garbage in a basketball thread.
From my understanding the Law school was well respected in the Midwest pre-financial crisis when the Law School dean and admissions panicked and severely lowered the acceptance standards to meet expenses. They took the short-term view and it cost them in the end.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 13, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
Lol. Who's less happy right now? Valpo fans or Vandy fans?
Gotta be VU fans! ;D
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Quote from: oklahomamick on February 14, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
I'll take it a step further. I want us to have an impossible 2019 OOC schedule to test his metal. Think- Oakland like, SWAC-like, because the at large chances for mid-majors is gone. G O N E----Vanished No fluff! No easy path to a contract extension! Sink or swim! Learn as you go.
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3014 was the reported attendance. Not too bad for a midweek game. You have to think if we had finished those previous games (and this one) attendance would be much higher. The conference move has been good for gate receipts but the team has to perform.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 15, 2019, 03:58:01 AM
3014 was the reported attendance. Not too bad for a midweek game. You have to think if we had finished those previous games (and this one) attendance would be much higher. The conference move has been good for gate receipts but the team has to perform.
The team's performance seems like more of the driver of attendance than the league that Valpo's in. Here are the average home attendance numbers and overall and league record, and the league that Valpo was in at the time.
2019 - MVC - 13-13 (6-7) - 2,874
2018 - MVC - 15-17 (6-12) - 2,722
2017 - HL - 24-9 (14-4) - 3,086
2016 - HL - 30-7 (16-2) - 3,572 (3 NIT home games boosted this number from their regular season avg of 3,397)
2015 - HL - 28-6 (13-3) - 3,066
2014 - HL - 18-16 (9-7) - 2,833
2013 - HL - 26-8 (13-3) - 3,173
2012 - HL - 22-12 (14-4) - 3,383
2011 - HL - 23-12 (12-6) - 3,362
2010 - HL - 15-17 (10-8) - 2,739
2009 - HL - 9-22 (5-13) - 2,973
2008 - HL - 22-14 (9-9) - 3,666
2007 - MidCon - 16-15 (9-5) - 3,520
You're doing full season attendance. It would be better to test conference season attendance. I can do those numbers after work. But they won't diminish your point at all: Year performance matters but so does real or perceived team quality. Notice that the team is competitive but not a top performer yet this game was right in line with most midweek draws and in fact better than a lot of them by about 10% or more at least.
Quote from: VUSL98 on February 14, 2019, 07:55:13 PMAs far as a Smits grad transfer, who would be interested in such uneven production? 20+ points one game, 4 the next?
Unfortunately the uneven scoring and production have not been only produced by Derrik. As I pointed out earlier, Markus hasn't made a basket in the last two games. Javon went for 27 then 17 then 4! But, at least he has an excuse, being only a freshman. And yes, Valpo has produced MANY very good lawyers!!
Quote from: IrishDawg on February 15, 2019, 07:05:53 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 15, 2019, 03:58:01 AM
3014 was the reported attendance. Not too bad for a midweek game. You have to think if we had finished those previous games (and this one) attendance would be much higher. The conference move has been good for gate receipts but the team has to perform.
The team's performance seems like more of the driver of attendance than the league that Valpo's in. Here are the average home attendance numbers and overall and league record, and the league that Valpo was in at the time.
2019 - MVC - 13-13 (6-7) - 2,874
2018 - MVC - 15-17 (6-12) - 2,722
2017 - HL - 24-9 (14-4) - 3,086
2016 - HL - 30-7 (16-2) - 3,572 (3 NIT home games boosted this number from their regular season avg of 3,397)
2015 - HL - 28-6 (13-3) - 3,066
2014 - HL - 18-16 (9-7) - 2,833
2013 - HL - 26-8 (13-3) - 3,173
2012 - HL - 22-12 (14-4) - 3,383
2011 - HL - 23-12 (12-6) - 3,362
2010 - HL - 15-17 (10-8) - 2,739
2009 - HL - 9-22 (5-13) - 2,973
2008 - HL - 22-14 (9-9) - 3,666
2007 - MidCon - 16-15 (9-5) - 3,520
If I recall correctly, HL tournament games that Valpo hosted and played in were not considered home games. Thus, they were not included in home total attendance - unlike the NIT games of 2015.
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 14, 2019, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 14, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 14, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
I'll take it a step further. I want us to have an impossible 2019 OOC schedule to test his metal. Think- Oakland like, SWAC-like, because the at large chances for mid-majors is gone. G O N E----Vanished No fluff! No easy path to a contract extension! Sink or swim! Learn as you go.
(http://spiritualcleansing.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-knight-in-shining-armor-is-a-man-who-has-never-had-his-metal-truly-tested..jpg)
Sorry, but I can't take it. The term is "mettle!"
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 15, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 14, 2019, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 14, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 14, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
I'll take it a step further. I want us to have an impossible 2019 OOC schedule to test his metal. Think- Oakland like, SWAC-like, because the at large chances for mid-majors is gone. G O N E----Vanished No fluff! No easy path to a contract extension! Sink or swim! Learn as you go.
(http://spiritualcleansing.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-knight-in-shining-armor-is-a-man-who-has-never-had-his-metal-truly-tested..jpg)
Sorry, but I can't take it. The term is "mettle!"
I believe it is meant to be a type of pun: "words which sound alike but have different meanings." Johnny Carson once said that the pun is the most intellectual form of humor...but also the least funny.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 15, 2019, 07:16:28 AM
You're doing full season attendance. It would be better to test conference season attendance. I can do those numbers after work. But they won't diminish your point at all: Year performance matters but so does real or perceived team quality. Notice that the team is competitive but not a top performer yet this game was right in line with most midweek draws and in fact better than a lot of them by about 10% or more at least.
Conference Regular Season attendance averages:
2019 - MVC - 3,310 (6-7)
2018 - MVC - 2,781 (6-12)
2017 - HL - 3,443 (14-4)
2016 - HL - 3,831 (16-2)
2015 - HL - 3,286 (13-3)
2014 - HL - 3,329 (9-7)
2013 - HL - 3,709 (13-3)
2012 - HL - 3,543 (14-4)
2011 - HL - 3,460 (12-6)
2010 - HL - 2,909 (10-8)
2009 - HL - 3,071 (5-13)
2008 - HL - 4,137 (9-9)
2007 - MidCon - 3,472 (9-5)
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 14, 2019, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 14, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 14, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
I'll take it a step further. I want us to have an impossible 2019 OOC schedule to test his metal. Think- Oakland like, SWAC-like, because the at large chances for mid-majors is gone. G O N E----Vanished No fluff! No easy path to a contract extension! Sink or swim! Learn as you go.
(http://spiritualcleansing.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-knight-in-shining-armor-is-a-man-who-has-never-had-his-metal-truly-tested..jpg)
I want to thank Just Sayin for makin sure everybody read my post 6 or 7 times. ;)
Doublin Down:
1. We should have the deepest talent and most experience for the 19-20 Valley season.
2. Even the best crafted OOC schedule will not help qualify us for an at-large.
3. Matt needs tested as a coach.
4. The team needs tested by the best.
5. What then happens in St Louis will determine our NCAA or NIT or nothing direction.
If anybody wants to seriously debate this we should probably start our 2019-20 scheduling thread.
This whole thread irritates me and it's not because of anyone's comments or posts on it. I'm still just disgusted with how we played. Tomorrow's game couldn't start soon enough. Tomorrow this team isn't just playing for conference standings. They're playing for their relevancy with the community, fans, and students for the rest of the season. They need to make people believe in them again.
Quote from: IrishDawg on February 15, 2019, 10:27:22 AMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on February 15, 2019, 07:16:28 AMYou're doing full season attendance. It would be better to test conference season attendance. I can do those numbers after work. But they won't diminish your point at all: Year performance matters but so does real or perceived team quality. Notice that the team is competitive but not a top performer yet this game was right in line with most midweek draws and in fact better than a lot of them by about 10% or more at least.
Conference Regular Season attendance averages: 2019 - MVC - 3,310 (6-7) 2018 - MVC - 2,781 (6-12) 2017 - HL - 3,443 (14-4) 2016 - HL - 3,831 (16-2) 2015 - HL - 3,286 (13-3) 2014 - HL - 3,329 (9-7) 2013 - HL - 3,709 (13-3) 2012 - HL - 3,543 (14-4) 2011 - HL - 3,460 (12-6) 2010 - HL - 2,909 (10-8) 2009 - HL - 3,071 (5-13) 2008 - HL - 4,137 (9-9) 2007 - MidCon - 3,472 (9-5)
I'll adjust those for Butler and in the interest of fairness I'll also provide this year's MVC numbers both with and without the Loyola game for fairer and more accurate comparison.
Quote from: justducky on February 15, 2019, 12:29:52 PM
Doublin Down:
1. We should have the deepest talent and most experience for the 19-20 Valley season.
2. Even the best crafted OOC schedule will not help qualify us for an at-large.
3. Matt needs tested as a coach.
4. The team needs tested by the best.
5. What then happens in St Louis will determine our NCAA or NIT or nothing direction.
If anybody wants to seriously debate this we should probably start our 2019-20 scheduling thread.
I'm going to support this year's team right to the last second of their last game, whenever that comes. That said, mentally I've moved on to next year. Your 1 point I question is #2. Awell crafted OOC schedule in which we lose no more than 1 or 2 games followed by a 1 or 2 loss conf. schedule and concluding with an MVC tournament loss is still preferable to a soft schedule that we power through (like ILS 2 years ago) or 1 loaded with P5 powerhouse away games (ala Oakland). The carefully crafted schedule scenario I've painted doesn't guarantee an at-large by any means, but it's still not impossible (at least not yet). You're doomed with either of the too tough/too easy schedules. Remember this too. The biggest fans of your proposal would be Luke Gore, et alii, who would love nothing more than no longer having to worry about opponent SOS. Now their priority becomes easy wins on one hand or pay-for-play budget boosters on the other.
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 15, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 14, 2019, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 14, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 14, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Agree that Lottich deserves next year with this group. If the group stays together and he cant win, then that tells us everything we need to know.
I'll take it a step further. I want us to have an impossible 2019 OOC schedule to test his metal. Think- Oakland like, SWAC-like, because the at large chances for mid-majors is gone. G O N E----Vanished No fluff! No easy path to a contract extension! Sink or swim! Learn as you go.
(http://spiritualcleansing.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-knight-in-shining-armor-is-a-man-who-has-never-had-his-metal-truly-tested..jpg)
Sorry, but I can't take it. The term is "mettle!"
Thus, my post.
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 15, 2019, 09:37:15 AMSorry, but I can't take it. The term is "mettle!"
No matter your profession you are not allowed to correct posters on this board. They are milleneeals and spelling and correct usage are not important.
Quote from: bbtds on February 16, 2019, 05:22:38 AM
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 15, 2019, 09:37:15 AMSorry, but I can't take it. The term is "mettle!"
No matter your profession you are not allowed to correct posters on this board. They are milleneeals and spelling and correct usage are not important.
Difference with the "mettle" correction is educational. I don't think many of us come across the word on a regular basis and it's not directed at the previous poster since it's clearly an internet find.
In my view, AutoCorrect going haywire on words/names is a daily occurrence and I think your frequent corrections got on our nerves. You are entirely correct but I think many of us are just as annoyed with AutoCorrect on our phones that we frankly just let it slide for efficiency or unobserved reasons.
I'm just sharing my two cents and don't want to come across as the boards watch dog. My thoughts probably aren't appreciated but it's clear that bbtds and others feel persecuted and I don't think that's anyone's objective.